Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Dear Friends,I always wander that what the astrology is for?Is it for predicting or some thing else. Before I proceed, let me tell about a small incident in my life happened in 1981. One of my senior Colleague,a devotee of Mother Durga, used to practice remedial astrology. On a routine working day at the leisure time, I, out of curiosity, put forward my palm before him and asked him to tell me about my future. He took my hand in his palm and closed my palm and asked very affectionately " Why you want to know about future.? " I had no answer, He continued " Friend, Nature is our mother, While a human takes birth, She (Bidh Mata) writes your fate & all about your life as per your past karmas and Keeps the secret with her. By exposing the hidden secrets of Mother Goddess before anybody, dont you feel that you are putting your mother's clothes off from her body and making Her bare Do you like me to do that. Though with her Grace, She allowed me to know about few of the special incidents of ones life through some special techniques. But that is allowed to me only not for exposing Her,but to know the reasons behind that incidents and to allow me to tell innocents humans to take corrective measures for his present karmas. " His word always rings in my ears till date. Questions always remain in my mind What is the astrology for?Why we all are learning it?What we get by predicting ones future?I feel Lalkitab Gives the Answer. In the examples, Nowhere Pt.Ji ever given predictions specific incidents of future. He narrates incidents about past life just to verify the Horoscope and Prescribe remedial measures for the present and some drasticaly incidents yet to come. No doubt the prediction methods are given every where in the book , but I feel that is for the guidance of astrologers not for the Common men.I see all the Lalkitab Astrologer follow the same path as shown by Pt.Ji. Though a common man thinks 'Pridiction' the most appropriate meaning for word 'Astrology'. This may be the reason for the present discussion going about the Timing of events.In my opinion every astrological subject, like engineering, teaches the students to know about the working of an element, reasons of the probales faults which can occer in it and to learn techniques to take most appropriate corrective steps to rectify that fault. Your views are welcome to continue discussion furtherRegardsNirmal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Nirmal Ji, Astrology can't be compare with any subject in the world like engineering, medical or management etc because all the other subjects ony deals with present and past none of them deals with future. So it is very different and complicated. Knowing the future doesn't means to defame the nature or the creator (GOD) in my opinion. Now the people doesn't even belive in GOD and they laugh at astrologers don't you think this is one of the way or the only way to show the power of nature. This is just my opinion!! Regards Ashok --- On Fri, 6/5/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote: Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar What the Astrology for? Date: Friday, June 5, 2009, 8:03 AM Dear Friends,I always wander that what the astrology is for?Is it for predicting or some thing else. Before I proceed, let me tell about a small incident in my life happened in 1981. One of my senior Colleague,a devotee of Mother Durga, used to practice remedial astrology. On a routine working day at the leisure time, I, out of curiosity, put forward my palm before him and asked him to tell me about my future. He took my hand in his palm and closed my palm and asked very affectionately " Why you want to know about future.?" I had no answer, He continued " Friend, Nature is our mother, While a human takes birth, She (Bidh Mata) writes your fate & all about your life as per your past karmas and Keeps the secret with her. By exposing the hidden secrets of Mother Goddess before anybody, dont you feel that you are putting your mother's clothes off from her body and making Her bare Do you like me to do that. Though with her Grace, She allowed me to know about few of the special incidents of ones life through some special techniques. But that is allowed to me only not for exposing Her,but to know the reasons behind that incidents and to allow me to tell innocents humans to take corrective measures for his present karmas. "His word always rings in my ears till date. Questions always remain in my mind What is the astrology for?Why we all are learning it?What we get by predicting ones future?I feel Lalkitab Gives the Answer. In the examples, Nowhere Pt.Ji ever given predictions specific incidents of future. He narrates incidents about past life just to verify the Horoscope and Prescribe remedial measures for the present and some drasticaly incidents yet to come. No doubt the prediction methods are given every where in the book , but I feel that is for the guidance of astrologers not for the Common men.I see all the Lalkitab Astrologer follow the same path as shown by Pt.Ji. Though a common man thinks 'Pridiction' the most appropriate meaning for word 'Astrology'. This may be the reason for the present discussion going about the Timing of events.In my opinion every astrological subject, like engineering, teaches the students to know about the working of an element, reasons of the probales faults which can occer in it and to learn techniques to take most appropriate corrective steps to rectify that fault.Your views are welcome to continue discussion furtherRegardsNirmal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Respected Bharadwaj ji, what more can be be added to it. U have given the best possible conclusion to the issue. I am fully satisfied by ur explanation. Hence forth further disscussion on this issue is closed from side. Regards. Kulbir. On 6/5/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote: > Dear Friends, > I always wander that what the astrology is for? > Is it for predicting or some thing else. > Before I proceed, let me tell about a small incident in my life happened in > 1981. One of my senior Colleague,a devotee of Mother Durga, used to practice > remedial astrology. On a routine working day at the leisure time, I, out of > curiosity, put forward my palm before him and asked him to tell me about my > future. He took my hand in his palm and closed my palm and asked very > affectionately " Why you want to know about future.? " > I had no answer, He continued > " Friend, Nature is our mother, While a human takes birth, She (Bidh Mata) > writes your fate & all about your life as per your past karmas and Keeps the > secret with her. By exposing the hidden secrets of Mother Goddess before > anybody, dont you feel that you are putting your mother's clothes off from > her body and making Her bare Do you like me to do that. > Though with her Grace, She allowed me to know about few of the special > incidents of ones life through some special techniques. But that is allowed > to me only not for exposing Her,but to know the reasons behind that > incidents and to allow me to tell innocents humans to take corrective > measures for his present karmas. " > His word always rings in my ears till date. Questions always remain in my > mind > What is the astrology for? > Why we all are learning it? > What we get by predicting ones future? > I feel Lalkitab Gives the Answer. > In the examples, Nowhere Pt.Ji ever given predictions specific incidents of > future. He narrates incidents about past life just to verify the Horoscope > and Prescribe remedial measures for the present and some drasticaly > incidents yet to come. > No doubt the prediction methods are given every where in the book , but I > feel that is for the guidance of astrologers not for the Common men. > I see all the Lalkitab Astrologer follow the same path as shown by Pt.Ji. > Though a common man thinks 'Pridiction' the most appropriate meaning for > word 'Astrology'. This may be the reason for the present discussion going > about the Timing of events. > In my opinion every astrological subject, like engineering, teaches the > students to know about the working of an element, reasons of the probales > faults which can occer in it and to learn techniques to take most > appropriate corrective steps to rectify that fault. > Your views are welcome to continue discussion further > Regards > Nirmal > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Very respected Ashok ji, you are grossly wrong when u say that the subjects mentioned by u and in Bharadwaj ji's mail are not concerned with future. Anyway i have an offer from someone who is ready to give a princely prize if you or any member can predict some events with certainity. Photograph, palm photo, horoscope or any other information u require will be provided. U will be paid in advance. Rider is u will have to return 3 times if the prediction doesn't fructifies. Want to bite the bet? Regards. Kulbir. On 6/5/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh wrote: > Nirmal Ji, > Astrology can't be compare with any subject in the world like engineering, > medical or > management etc because all the other subjects ony deals with present and > past > none of them deals with future. > So it is very different and complicated. Knowing the future doesn't means to > defame the > nature or the creator (GOD) in my opinion. > Now the people doesn't even belive in GOD and they laugh at astrologers > don't you think > this is one of the way or the only way to show the power of nature. > > This is just my opinion!! > > Regards > Ashok > > > > > > --- On Fri, 6/5/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote: > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar > What the Astrology for? > > Friday, June 5, 2009, 8:03 AM > > Dear Friends, > I always wander that what the astrology is for? > Is it for predicting or some thing else. > Before I proceed, let me tell about a small incident in my life happened in > 1981. One of my senior Colleague,a devotee of Mother Durga, used to practice > remedial astrology. On a routine working day at the leisure time, I, out of > curiosity, put forward my palm before him and asked him to tell me about my > future. He took my hand in his palm and closed my palm and asked very > affectionately " Why you want to know about future.? " > I had no answer, He continued > " Friend, Nature is our mother, While a human takes birth, She (Bidh Mata) > writes your fate & all about your life as per your past karmas and Keeps the > secret with her. By exposing the hidden secrets of Mother Goddess before > anybody, dont you feel that you are putting your mother's clothes off from > her body and making Her bare Do you like me to do that. > Though with her Grace, She allowed me to know about few of the special > incidents of ones life through some special techniques. But that is allowed > to me only not for exposing Her,but to know the reasons behind that > incidents and to allow me to tell innocents humans to take corrective > measures for his present karmas. " > His word always rings in my ears till date. Questions always remain in my > mind > What is the astrology for? > Why we all are learning it? > What we get by predicting ones future? > I feel Lalkitab Gives the Answer. > In the examples, Nowhere Pt.Ji ever given predictions specific incidents of > future. He narrates incidents about past life just to verify the Horoscope > and Prescribe remedial measures for the present and some drasticaly > incidents yet to come. > No doubt the prediction methods are given every where in the book , but I > feel that is for the guidance of astrologers not for the Common men. > I see all the Lalkitab Astrologer follow the same path as shown by Pt.Ji. > Though a common man thinks 'Pridiction' the most appropriate meaning for > word 'Astrology'. This may be the reason for the present discussion going > about the Timing of events. > In my opinion every astrological subject, like engineering, teaches the > students to know about the working of an element, reasons of the probales > faults which can occer in it and to learn techniques to take most > appropriate corrective steps to rectify that fault. > Your views are welcome to continue discussion further > Regards > Nirmal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Kulbir ji, I agree with u nonody can pridict the event pinpoint but this is not true everytime.but one can reach the near to event.if astrology or lal kitab has no meaning of predict the event then why r u so intrested in astrology and to challenging the people what u want to show.in which sense u understand the astrology.what is the use of astrology.I cannnot understand what u want to say.please clear it.sometimes event can predict but in date or month range.remember one thing only those astrologer have true predictions in maximum range whose own period is good.when he is influnse of bad period[defame] then not single but every prediction will go wrong whenever he try to accept the challenge .I tell u about myself.in 2008 jan I predict about match 8 prediction come true out of 9.in feb 8 prediction fail out of 9.rule was same but my time srarted bad at that time.so my friendPATTA B HILTA HAI HAI TO USKI RAAZA SEREGARDSKunwar vishalkulbir bance <kulbirbance05 June 2009 21:59 Subject: Re: What the Astrology for?Very respected Ashok ji, you are grossly wrong when u say that the subjects mentioned by u and in Bharadwaj ji's mail are not concerned with future. Anyway i have an offer from someone who is ready to give a princely prize if you or any member can predict some events with certainity. Photograph, palm photo, horoscope or any other information u require will be provided. U will be paid in advance. Rider is u will have to return 3 times if the prediction doesn't fructifies. Want to bite the bet? Regards. Kulbir. On 6/5/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh > wrote: > Nirmal Ji, > Astrology can't be compare with any subject in the world like engineering, > medical or > management etc because all the other subjects ony deals with present and > past > none of them deals with future. > So it is very different and complicated. Knowing the future doesn't means to > defame the > nature or the creator (GOD) in my opinion. > Now the people doesn't even belive in GOD and they laugh at astrologers > don't you think > this is one of the way or the only way to show the power of nature. > > This is just my opinion!! > > Regards > Ashok > > > > > > --- On Fri, 6/5/[The entire original message is not included] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Kunwar sahib, page 45 of 1952 edition part 1 uqloaded by nirmal ji or i believe page 135-136 in original urdu book pujya pt. Ji wrote HAZARON BHATKATE HAIN LAKHON DAANA, KARORON SAYANE; JO KHOOB SAMJH KARKE DEKHA-AAKHIR KHUDA KI BAATEIN KHUDA HI JAANE. so u believe that an astrologer who is undergoing bad period cannot make correct predictions. Now how does the astrologer's personal status change the rules in the books. I know the answer but my friend there are no free lunches. Think about it and we can proceed further. Regards. Kulbir. On 6/6/09, Kunwar Vishal <vishalastrologer wrote: > Kulbir ji, > I agree with u nonody can pridict the event pinpoint but this is > not true everytime.but one can reach the near to event.if astrology or lal > kitab has no meaning of predict the event then why r u so intrested in > astrology and to challenging the people what u want to show.in which sense > u understand the astrology.what is the use of astrology.I cannnot understand > what u want to say.please clear it.sometimes event can predict but in date > or month range.remember one thing only those astrologer have true > predictions in maximum range whose own period is good.when he is influnse of > bad period[defame] then not single but every prediction will go wrong > whenever he try to accept the challenge .I tell u about myself.in 2008 jan I > predict about match .8 prediction come true out of 9.in feb 8 prediction > fail out of 9.rule was same but my time srarted bad at that time.so my > friend > PATTA B HILTA HAI HAI TO USKI RAAZA SE > REGARDS > Kunwar vishal > > > > kulbir bance <kulbirbance > 05 June 2009 21:59 > > Re: What the Astrology for? > > > > Very respected Ashok ji, you are grossly wrong when u say that the > subjects mentioned by u and in Bharadwaj ji's mail are not concerned > with future. Anyway i have an offer from someone who is ready to give > a princely prize if you or any member can predict some events with > certainity. Photograph, palm photo, horoscope or any other information > u require will be provided. U will be paid in advance. Rider is u will > have to return 3 times if the prediction doesn't fructifies. Want to > bite the bet? Regards. Kulbir. > > On 6/5/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh wrote: > > Nirmal Ji, > > Astrology can't be compare with any subject in the world like > engineering, > > medical or > > management etc because all the other subjects ony deals with present and > > past > > none of them deals with future. > > So it is very different and complicated. Knowing the future doesn't means > to > > defame the > > nature or the creator (GOD) in my opinion. > > Now the people doesn't even belive in GOD and they laugh at astrologers > > don't you think > > this is one of the way or the only way to show the power of nature. > > > > This is just my opinion!! > > > > Regards > > Ashok > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 6/5/ > > [The entire original message is not included] -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Dear Ashok Ji,It is matter of one,s own opinion.'Lalkitab Farmaye yoon - Aqal(budh) Lekh(Brihaspati) se Ladti Kyon " A crude translation:(Lalkitab iterates " Why the Head is fighting with Luck " ) This fight never ends. Human head will keep on exploring the hidden facts of Nature.Our Aqal will keep on finding logics. RegardsNirmalOn Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh wrote: Nirmal Ji, Astrology can't be compare with any subject in the world like engineering, medical or management etc because all the other subjects ony deals with present and past none of them deals with future. So it is very different and complicated. Knowing the future doesn't means to defame the nature or the creator (GOD) in my opinion. Now the people doesn't even belive in GOD and they laugh at astrologers don't you think this is one of the way or the only way to show the power of nature. This is just my opinion!! Regards Ashok --- On Fri, 6/5/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote: Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar What the Astrology for? Date: Friday, June 5, 2009, 8:03 AM Dear Friends,I always wander that what the astrology is for?Is it for predicting or some thing else. Before I proceed, let me tell about a small incident in my life happened in 1981. One of my senior Colleague,a devotee of Mother Durga, used to practice remedial astrology. On a routine working day at the leisure time, I, out of curiosity, put forward my palm before him and asked him to tell me about my future. He took my hand in his palm and closed my palm and asked very affectionately " Why you want to know about future.? " I had no answer, He continued " Friend, Nature is our mother, While a human takes birth, She (Bidh Mata) writes your fate & all about your life as per your past karmas and Keeps the secret with her. By exposing the hidden secrets of Mother Goddess before anybody, dont you feel that you are putting your mother's clothes off from her body and making Her bare Do you like me to do that. Though with her Grace, She allowed me to know about few of the special incidents of ones life through some special techniques. But that is allowed to me only not for exposing Her,but to know the reasons behind that incidents and to allow me to tell innocents humans to take corrective measures for his present karmas. " His word always rings in my ears till date. Questions always remain in my mind What is the astrology for?Why we all are learning it?What we get by predicting ones future?I feel Lalkitab Gives the Answer. In the examples, Nowhere Pt.Ji ever given predictions specific incidents of future. He narrates incidents about past life just to verify the Horoscope and Prescribe remedial measures for the present and some drasticaly incidents yet to come. No doubt the prediction methods are given every where in the book , but I feel that is for the guidance of astrologers not for the Common men.I see all the Lalkitab Astrologer follow the same path as shown by Pt.Ji. Though a common man thinks 'Pridiction' the most appropriate meaning for word 'Astrology'. This may be the reason for the present discussion going about the Timing of events. In my opinion every astrological subject, like engineering, teaches the students to know about the working of an element, reasons of the probales faults which can occer in it and to learn techniques to take most appropriate corrective steps to rectify that fault. Your views are welcome to continue discussion furtherRegardsNirmal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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