Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Respected Bhandari ji, lalkitab armaan page one last para; it is written that " .... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA ASAR MANA HAI " the popular method is to derive the first alphabet corresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka page 7 line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. Can we name a child considering planets in house no 1 in sucg a way that the name of the child gives a boost to his destiny. Kindly share your learned views on this aspect. Regards. Kulbir. On 6/5/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote: > Dear Tahmasp , > > Here is an excrepts from the Chiero Famous book 'Language of Hand'. Here > Chiero discussed about Lalkitab. I highlighted the related text. > Regards > Nirmal > 2009-06-05 > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > > > ·¢¼þÈË£º shahtahmasp > ·¢ËÍʱ¼ä£º 2009-06-04 19:59:36 > ÊÕ¼þÈË£º > ³ËÍ£º > Ö÷Ì⣺ Palmistry > > > > > Sarey buzurk members ko Salaam I have a question regarding the similarity or > differences in western palmistry from authors like the > very succesful Cheiro and our Lal Kitab > Respectfully > Tahmasp > > > > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Respected Kulbir Ji, It is quite an interesting question, which you have asked with reference to LAL KITAB. In our PUNJAB area, or we may say in NORTH INDIA, where LAL KITAB is having its origin, some people select names of their child: (1) as per birth time calculations (BIRTH RASHI SIGN), and only one alphabet is selected for one segment of constellation in which the child is born, so there are only four words, which may fall within one constellation, and there are total nine words quoted for one sign, as there are 2.25 constellations allocated to every sign of zodiac. (2) Only select one name alphabet (NAME RASHI SIGN), as per their religious rites or that name may be given by any elderly person of that family to that child. Here, we will find, that 1st is according to BIRTH RASHI SIGN, where as 2nd is selected, in which case it is not confirmed whether that word may pertain to RASHI SIGN or not, but both these names suggest something, as it was also quoted in our ANCIENT ASTROLOGICAL books such as SHEEGHAR BODH, a very small book, but contains wonderful information, which I have learned from our old traditional PANDIT JI. Difference in the use of these both names is as under: At the time of marriage, to check the influences of malefic planets during transit and in Kundli Matching, fixing marriage date etc., BIRTH RASHI SIGN name will be used. Similarly, at a time of fight between two enemies for checking out influence of planets, to work out Mahurta for construction of House or establishing some other work, to check influence of any city from name, on that person where he/she wants to reside, NAME RASHI will work with more accuracy as compared with that BIRTH RASHI. According to this, both signs, whether that is a BIRTH RASHI SIGN or A NAME RASHI SIGN are having their utility value at their desired level. AS, THE NAME OF A PERSON IS NEVER FIXED ACCORDING TO ASCEDENT, IT IS ONLY FIXED ACCORDING TO BIRTH RASHI SIGN OR SOMETIMES WITHOUT THIS, SO IT IS NOT ADVISED TO USE NAME SIGN OR RASHI SIGN AS IN HOUSE NUMBER ONE, i.e. as ASCENDENT, EXCEPT IN CASE, WHERE RASHI SIGN AND ASCENDENT SIGN ARE SAME ACCORDING TO HOROSCOPE. With regards……rabinder bhandari 2009/6/6 kulbir bance <kulbirbance Respected Bhandari ji, lalkitab armaan page one last para; it iswritten that " .... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA ASARMANA HAI " the popular method is to derive the first alphabetcorresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka page 7 line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. Can wename a child considering planets in house no 1 in sucg a way that thename of the child gives a boost to his destiny. Kindly share yourlearned views on this aspect. Regards. Kulbir. On 6/5/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:> Dear Tahmasp ,>> Here is an excrepts from the Chiero Famous book 'Language of Hand'. Here > Chiero discussed about Lalkitab. I highlighted the related text.> Regards> Nirmal>>>>>>>> 2009-06-05>>>> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj >>>> ·¢¼þÈË£º shahtahmasp> ·¢ËÍʱ¼ä£º 2009-06-04 19:59:36> ÊÕ¼þÈË£º > ³ËÍ£º> Ö÷Ì⣺ Palmistry>>>>> Sarey buzurk members ko Salaam I have a question regarding the similarity or > differences in western palmistry from authors like the> very succesful Cheiro and our Lal Kitab> Respectfully> Tahmasp>>>>-- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Respected Kulbir Ji,in my view it as a good practice to fix the name of a native in such a way that you can know the birth data from his name. Normally it was done by relating the name of the person with some incident, day, time at the timeof birthetc etc. In Punjab, I used to find the person having name ,som nath, Mangal, Budh ram or budhu, Veeru, baaru etc etc linked with the day of birth, Chet ram for chaitra birth, visakhu for viskakha birth, Pooran for punima birth and so on.. The astrologer normaly know the nature of person knowing the position of moon & sun in the Nakshatra. As explained by Bhandari Ji, There are 108 Nakshatra pada or divisions also called Navamsha. Each division has been assigned a letter(Character) by our anscestors. The first character of name of a person is based upon the postion of Moon in the particular division/pada of Nakshatra and character assigned to that pada and similarlyThe first character of second word of the name is kept with the position of sun in patrtcular pada. In my point of view, this is a great method devised by our ancestor astrologers to know the about the position of moon & Sun at birth time from the name of the Person. This is good algorithm devised by them and is still being followed in rural areas of India. regarding// " .... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA ASARMANA HAI " the popular method is to derive the first alphabetcorresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka page 7 line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. //In first line In my opinion, Pt. Ji Has just given a reference that some persons give preference to the alphatbetics of the names to make boost the Luck. This practice is being widely followed/advised presently by astrologers having Numerology base and By some vedic astrologer by not using the albhabets assigned to nakshatra Padas which comes under the bad planets and owner of Bad houses. Regading " Naam Haisiyat Duniya Lenge " in my opinion The word naam here is being used to refer the status of the person in community. RegardsNirmal2009/6/6 Mr Bhandari <bhandari1951 Respected Kulbir Ji, It is quite an interesting question, which you have asked with reference to LAL KITAB. In our PUNJAB area, or we may say in NORTH INDIA, where LAL KITAB is having its origin, some people select names of their child: (1) as per birth time calculations (BIRTH RASHI SIGN), and only one alphabet is selected for one segment of constellation in which the child is born, so there are only four words, which may fall within one constellation, and there are total nine words quoted for one sign, as there are 2.25 constellations allocated to every sign of zodiac. (2) Only select one name alphabet (NAME RASHI SIGN), as per their religious rites or that name may be given by any elderly person of that family to that child. Here, we will find, that 1st is according to BIRTH RASHI SIGN, where as 2nd is selected, in which case it is not confirmed whether that word may pertain to RASHI SIGN or not, but both these names suggest something, as it was also quoted in our ANCIENT ASTROLOGICAL books such as SHEEGHAR BODH, a very small book, but contains wonderful information, which I have learned from our old traditional PANDIT JI. Difference in the use of these both names is as under: At the time of marriage, to check the influences of malefic planets during transit and in Kundli Matching, fixing marriage date etc., BIRTH RASHI SIGN name will be used. Similarly, at a time of fight between two enemies for checking out influence of planets, to work out Mahurta for construction of House or establishing some other work, to check influence of any city from name, on that person where he/she wants to reside, NAME RASHI will work with more accuracy as compared with that BIRTH RASHI. According to this, both signs, whether that is a BIRTH RASHI SIGN or A NAME RASHI SIGN are having their utility value at their desired level. AS, THE NAME OF A PERSON IS NEVER FIXED ACCORDING TO ASCEDENT, IT IS ONLY FIXED ACCORDING TO BIRTH RASHI SIGN OR SOMETIMES WITHOUT THIS, SO IT IS NOT ADVISED TO USE NAME SIGN OR RASHI SIGN AS IN HOUSE NUMBER ONE, i.e. as ASCENDENT, EXCEPT IN CASE, WHERE RASHI SIGN AND ASCENDENT SIGN ARE SAME ACCORDING TO HOROSCOPE. With regards……rabinder bhandari 2009/6/6 kulbir bance <kulbirbance Respected Bhandari ji, lalkitab armaan page one last para; it iswritten that " .... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA ASARMANA HAI " the popular method is to derive the first alphabetcorresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka page 7 line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. Can wename a child considering planets in house no 1 in sucg a way that thename of the child gives a boost to his destiny. Kindly share yourlearned views on this aspect. Regards. Kulbir. On 6/5/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:> Dear Tahmasp ,>> Here is an excrepts from the Chiero Famous book 'Language of Hand'. Here > Chiero discussed about Lalkitab. I highlighted the related text.> Regards> Nirmal>>>>>>>> 2009-06-05>>>> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj >>>> ·¢¼þÈË£º shahtahmasp> ·¢ËÍʱ¼ä£º 2009-06-04 19:59:36> ÊÕ¼þÈË£º > ³ËÍ£º> Ö÷Ì⣺ Palmistry>>>>> Sarey buzurk members ko Salaam I have a question regarding the similarity or > differences in western palmistry from authors like the> very succesful Cheiro and our Lal Kitab> Respectfully> Tahmasp>>>>-- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Nirmal ji, thanx for explaining the concept in detail. The information about the second alphabet according to Sun nakshatra is really interesting. Respect and Regards. Kulbir. On 6/13/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote: > Respected Kulbir Ji, > in my view it as a good practice to fix the name of a native in such a way > that you can know the birth data from his name. Normally it was done by > relating the name of the person with some incident, day, time at the timeof > birthetc etc. In Punjab, I used to find the person having name ,som nath, > Mangal, Budh ram or budhu, Veeru, baaru etc etc linked with the day of > birth, Chet ram for chaitra birth, visakhu for viskakha birth, Pooran for > punima birth and so on.. The astrologer normaly know the nature of person > knowing the position of moon & sun in the Nakshatra. As explained by > Bhandari Ji, There are 108 Nakshatra pada or divisions also called Navamsha. > Each division has been assigned a letter(Character) by our anscestors. The > first character of name of a person is based upon the postion of Moon in > the particular division/pada of Nakshatra and character assigned to that > pada and similarlyThe first character of second word of the name is kept > with the position of sun in patrtcular pada. In my point of view, this is a > great method devised by our ancestor astrologers to know the about the > position of moon & Sun at birth time from the name of the Person. This is > good algorithm devised by them and is still being followed in rural areas of > India. > regarding > // " .... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA ASAR > MANA HAI " the popular method is to derive the first alphabet > corresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka page 7 > line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. // > In first line In my opinion, Pt. Ji Has just given a reference that some > persons give preference to the alphatbetics of the names to make boost the > Luck. This practice is being widely followed/advised presently by > astrologers having Numerology base and By some vedic astrologer by not using > the albhabets assigned to nakshatra Padas which comes under the bad planets > and owner of Bad houses. > Regading " Naam Haisiyat Duniya Lenge " in my opinion The word naam here is > being used to refer the status of the person in community. > Regards > Nirmal > > > 2009/6/6 Mr Bhandari <bhandari1951 > >> >> >> *Respected Kulbir Ji,* >> >> * * >> >> *It is quite an interesting question, which you have asked with reference >> to LAL KITAB.* >> >> * * >> >> *In our PUNJAB area, or we may say in NORTH INDIA, where LAL KITAB is >> having its origin, some people select names of their child: * >> >> * * >> >> *(1) as per birth time calculations (BIRTH RASHI SIGN), and only one >> alphabet is selected for one segment of constellation in which the child >> is >> born, so there are only four words, which may fall within one >> constellation, >> and there are total nine words quoted for one sign, as there are 2.25 >> constellations allocated to every sign of zodiac.* >> >> * * >> >> *(2) Only select one name alphabet (NAME RASHI SIGN), as per their >> religious rites or that name may be given by any elderly person of that >> family to that child.* >> >> * * >> >> *Here, we will find, that 1st is according to BIRTH RASHI SIGN, where as 2 >> nd is selected, in which case it is not confirmed whether that word may >> pertain to RASHI SIGN or not, but both these names suggest something, as >> it >> was also quoted in our ANCIENT ASTROLOGICAL books such as SHEEGHAR BODH, a >> very small book, but contains wonderful information, which I have learned >> from our old traditional PANDIT JI.* >> >> * * >> >> *Difference in the use of these both names is as under:* >> >> * * >> >> *At the time of marriage, to check the influences of malefic planets >> during transit and in Kundli Matching, fixing marriage date etc., BIRTH >> RASHI SIGN name will be used.* >> >> * * >> >> *Similarly, at a time of fight between two enemies for checking out >> influence of planets, to work out Mahurta for construction of House or >> establishing some other work, to check influence of any city from name, on >> that person where he/she wants to reside, NAME RASHI will work with more >> accuracy as compared with that BIRTH RASHI.* >> >> * * >> >> *According to this, both signs, whether that is a BIRTH RASHI SIGN or A >> NAME RASHI SIGN are having their utility value at their desired level.* >> >> * * >> >> *AS, THE NAME OF A PERSON IS NEVER FIXED ACCORDING TO ASCEDENT, IT IS ONLY >> FIXED ACCORDING TO BIRTH RASHI SIGN OR SOMETIMES WITHOUT THIS, SO IT IS >> NOT >> ADVISED TO USE NAME SIGN OR RASHI SIGN AS IN HOUSE NUMBER ONE, i.e. as >> ASCENDENT, EXCEPT IN CASE, WHERE RASHI SIGN AND ASCENDENT SIGN ARE SAME >> ACCORDING TO HOROSCOPE.* >> >> * * >> >> *With regards¡¡rabinder bhandari* >> >> >> 2009/6/6 kulbir bance <kulbirbance >> >> >>> >>> Respected Bhandari ji, lalkitab armaan page one last para; it is >>> written that " .... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA ASAR >>> MANA HAI " the popular method is to derive the first alphabet >>> corresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka page 7 >>> line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. Can we >>> name a child considering planets in house no 1 in sucg a way that the >>> name of the child gives a boost to his destiny. Kindly share your >>> learned views on this aspect. Regards. Kulbir. >>> >>> On 6/5/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar >>> <nirbhar%40gmail.com>> >>> wrote: >>> > Dear Tahmasp , >>> > >>> > Here is an excrepts from the Chiero Famous book 'Language of Hand'. >>> > Here >>> > Chiero discussed about Lalkitab. I highlighted the related text. >>> > Regards >>> > Nirmal >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > 2009-06-05 >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ·¢¼þÈË£º shahtahmasp >>> > ·¢ËÍʱ¼ä£º 2009-06-04 19:59:36 >>> > ÊÕ¼þÈË£º >>> > ³ËÍ£º >>> > Ö÷Ì⣺ Palmistry >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Sarey buzurk members ko Salaam I have a question regarding the >>> similarity or >>> > differences in western palmistry from authors like the >>> > very succesful Cheiro and our Lal Kitab >>> > Respectfully >>> > Tahmasp >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from my mobile device >>> >> >> >> > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Respected Nirmal ji I fully agree with you that the word " Naam " means social status not the name of a person. The next word " Haisiyat " and the complete word " Naam Haisiyat " itself are self explanatory. In my humble opinion, Pundit ji just indicated regarding the belief of some people (baa'zon ney) only, and not at all accepted this theory. If the name of a person's name had any significance whatsoever- Pundit Ji would not have emphasized the following while describing the methodology of Lal kitab: " ........Ism naam ko bhi uDaa deti hai. " (Lal Kitab 1941, page no. 3 line 11) Respectfully Yograj Prabhakar , Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote: > > Respected Kulbir Ji, > in my view it as a good practice to fix the name of a native in such a way > that you can know the birth data from his name. Normally it was done by > relating the name of the person with some incident, day, time at the timeof > birthetc etc. In Punjab, I used to find the person having name ,som nath, > Mangal, Budh ram or budhu, Veeru, baaru etc etc linked with the day of > birth, Chet ram for chaitra birth, visakhu for viskakha birth, Pooran for > punima birth and so on.. The astrologer normaly know the nature of person > knowing the position of moon & sun in the Nakshatra. As explained by > Bhandari Ji, There are 108 Nakshatra pada or divisions also called Navamsha. > Each division has been assigned a letter(Character) by our anscestors. The > first character of name of a person is based upon the postion of Moon in > the particular division/pada of Nakshatra and character assigned to that > pada and similarlyThe first character of second word of the name is kept > with the position of sun in patrtcular pada. In my point of view, this is a > great method devised by our ancestor astrologers to know the about the > position of moon & Sun at birth time from the name of the Person. This is > good algorithm devised by them and is still being followed in rural areas of > India. > regarding > // " .... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA ASAR > MANA HAI " the popular method is to derive the first alphabet > corresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka page 7 > line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. // > In first line In my opinion, Pt. Ji Has just given a reference that some > persons give preference to the alphatbetics of the names to make boost the > Luck. This practice is being widely followed/advised presently by > astrologers having Numerology base and By some vedic astrologer by not using > the albhabets assigned to nakshatra Padas which comes under the bad planets > and owner of Bad houses. > Regading " Naam Haisiyat Duniya Lenge " in my opinion The word naam here is > being used to refer the status of the person in community. > Regards > Nirmal > > > 2009/6/6 Mr Bhandari <bhandari1951 > > > > > > > *Respected Kulbir Ji,* > > > > * * > > > > *It is quite an interesting question, which you have asked with reference > > to LAL KITAB.* > > > > * * > > > > *In our PUNJAB area, or we may say in NORTH INDIA, where LAL KITAB is > > having its origin, some people select names of their child: * > > > > * * > > > > *(1) as per birth time calculations (BIRTH RASHI SIGN), and only one > > alphabet is selected for one segment of constellation in which the child is > > born, so there are only four words, which may fall within one constellation, > > and there are total nine words quoted for one sign, as there are 2.25 > > constellations allocated to every sign of zodiac.* > > > > * * > > > > *(2) Only select one name alphabet (NAME RASHI SIGN), as per their > > religious rites or that name may be given by any elderly person of that > > family to that child.* > > > > * * > > > > *Here, we will find, that 1st is according to BIRTH RASHI SIGN, where as 2 > > nd is selected, in which case it is not confirmed whether that word may > > pertain to RASHI SIGN or not, but both these names suggest something, as it > > was also quoted in our ANCIENT ASTROLOGICAL books such as SHEEGHAR BODH, a > > very small book, but contains wonderful information, which I have learned > > from our old traditional PANDIT JI.* > > > > * * > > > > *Difference in the use of these both names is as under:* > > > > * * > > > > *At the time of marriage, to check the influences of malefic planets > > during transit and in Kundli Matching, fixing marriage date etc., BIRTH > > RASHI SIGN name will be used.* > > > > * * > > > > *Similarly, at a time of fight between two enemies for checking out > > influence of planets, to work out Mahurta for construction of House or > > establishing some other work, to check influence of any city from name, on > > that person where he/she wants to reside, NAME RASHI will work with more > > accuracy as compared with that BIRTH RASHI.* > > > > * * > > > > *According to this, both signs, whether that is a BIRTH RASHI SIGN or A > > NAME RASHI SIGN are having their utility value at their desired level.* > > > > * * > > > > *AS, THE NAME OF A PERSON IS NEVER FIXED ACCORDING TO ASCEDENT, IT IS ONLY > > FIXED ACCORDING TO BIRTH RASHI SIGN OR SOMETIMES WITHOUT THIS, SO IT IS NOT > > ADVISED TO USE NAME SIGN OR RASHI SIGN AS IN HOUSE NUMBER ONE, i.e. as > > ASCENDENT, EXCEPT IN CASE, WHERE RASHI SIGN AND ASCENDENT SIGN ARE SAME > > ACCORDING TO HOROSCOPE.* > > > > * * > > > > *With regards¡¡rabinder bhandari* > > > > > > 2009/6/6 kulbir bance <kulbirbance > > > > > >> > >> Respected Bhandari ji, lalkitab armaan page one last para; it is > >> written that " .... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA ASAR > >> MANA HAI " the popular method is to derive the first alphabet > >> corresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka page 7 > >> line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. Can we > >> name a child considering planets in house no 1 in sucg a way that the > >> name of the child gives a boost to his destiny. Kindly share your > >> learned views on this aspect. Regards. Kulbir. > >> > >> On 6/5/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar <nirbhar%40gmail.com>> > >> wrote: > >> > Dear Tahmasp , > >> > > >> > Here is an excrepts from the Chiero Famous book 'Language of Hand'. Here > >> > Chiero discussed about Lalkitab. I highlighted the related text. > >> > Regards > >> > Nirmal > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > 2009-06-05 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ·¢¼þÈË£º shahtahmasp > >> > ·¢ËÍʱ¼ä£º 2009-06-04 19:59:36 > >> > ÊÕ¼þÈË£º > >> > ³ËÍ£º > >> > Ö÷Ì⣺ Palmistry > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Sarey buzurk members ko Salaam I have a question regarding the > >> similarity or > >> > differences in western palmistry from authors like the > >> > very succesful Cheiro and our Lal Kitab > >> > Respectfully > >> > Tahmasp > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> Sent from my mobile device > >> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Guruji, the half line mentioned by ur goodself i.e. Line 11 page 3 when read in full is " JANAM WAQT DIN MAH UMAR SAAL SAB KUCH, ISM NAAM KO BHI UDDA DETI HAI " can't under stand why u missed the first half of the line. So that means Janam waqt, din, mah, umar, saal, are also not to be considered. Then what is varshphal, importance of janam din ka grah, janam waqt ka grah etc. Needn't mention many concepts based on these. Why did u quote just half the line and ignored the first part. Regards. Kulbir. On 6/13/09, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: > Respected Nirmal ji > > I fully agree with you that the word " Naam " means social status not the name > of a person. The next word " Haisiyat " and the complete word " Naam Haisiyat " > itself are self explanatory. > > In my humble opinion, Pundit ji just indicated regarding the belief of some > people (baa'zon ney) only, and not at all accepted this theory. If the name > of a person's name had any significance whatsoever- Pundit Ji would not have > emphasized the following while describing the methodology of Lal kitab: > > " ........Ism naam ko bhi uDaa deti hai. " (Lal Kitab 1941, page no. 3 line > 11) > > Respectfully > Yograj Prabhakar > > > , Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar > wrote: >> >> Respected Kulbir Ji, >> in my view it as a good practice to fix the name of a native in such a way >> that you can know the birth data from his name. Normally it was done by >> relating the name of the person with some incident, day, time at the >> timeof >> birthetc etc. In Punjab, I used to find the person having name ,som nath, >> Mangal, Budh ram or budhu, Veeru, baaru etc etc linked with the day of >> birth, Chet ram for chaitra birth, visakhu for viskakha birth, Pooran for >> punima birth and so on.. The astrologer normaly know the nature of person >> knowing the position of moon & sun in the Nakshatra. As explained by >> Bhandari Ji, There are 108 Nakshatra pada or divisions also called >> Navamsha. >> Each division has been assigned a letter(Character) by our anscestors. The >> first character of name of a person is based upon the postion of Moon in >> the particular division/pada of Nakshatra and character assigned to that >> pada and similarlyThe first character of second word of the name is kept >> with the position of sun in patrtcular pada. In my point of view, this is >> a >> great method devised by our ancestor astrologers to know the about the >> position of moon & Sun at birth time from the name of the Person. This is >> good algorithm devised by them and is still being followed in rural areas >> of >> India. >> regarding >> // " .... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA ASAR >> MANA HAI " the popular method is to derive the first alphabet >> corresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka page 7 >> line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. // >> In first line In my opinion, Pt. Ji Has just given a reference that some >> persons give preference to the alphatbetics of the names to make boost >> the >> Luck. This practice is being widely followed/advised presently by >> astrologers having Numerology base and By some vedic astrologer by not >> using >> the albhabets assigned to nakshatra Padas which comes under the bad >> planets >> and owner of Bad houses. >> Regading " Naam Haisiyat Duniya Lenge " in my opinion The word naam here is >> being used to refer the status of the person in community. >> Regards >> Nirmal >> >> >> 2009/6/6 Mr Bhandari <bhandari1951 >> >> > >> > >> > *Respected Kulbir Ji,* >> > >> > * * >> > >> > *It is quite an interesting question, which you have asked with >> > reference >> > to LAL KITAB.* >> > >> > * * >> > >> > *In our PUNJAB area, or we may say in NORTH INDIA, where LAL KITAB is >> > having its origin, some people select names of their child: * >> > >> > * * >> > >> > *(1) as per birth time calculations (BIRTH RASHI SIGN), and only one >> > alphabet is selected for one segment of constellation in which the child >> > is >> > born, so there are only four words, which may fall within one >> > constellation, >> > and there are total nine words quoted for one sign, as there are 2.25 >> > constellations allocated to every sign of zodiac.* >> > >> > * * >> > >> > *(2) Only select one name alphabet (NAME RASHI SIGN), as per their >> > religious rites or that name may be given by any elderly person of that >> > family to that child.* >> > >> > * * >> > >> > *Here, we will find, that 1st is according to BIRTH RASHI SIGN, where as >> > 2 >> > nd is selected, in which case it is not confirmed whether that word may >> > pertain to RASHI SIGN or not, but both these names suggest something, as >> > it >> > was also quoted in our ANCIENT ASTROLOGICAL books such as SHEEGHAR BODH, >> > a >> > very small book, but contains wonderful information, which I have >> > learned >> > from our old traditional PANDIT JI.* >> > >> > * * >> > >> > *Difference in the use of these both names is as under:* >> > >> > * * >> > >> > *At the time of marriage, to check the influences of malefic planets >> > during transit and in Kundli Matching, fixing marriage date etc., BIRTH >> > RASHI SIGN name will be used.* >> > >> > * * >> > >> > *Similarly, at a time of fight between two enemies for checking out >> > influence of planets, to work out Mahurta for construction of House or >> > establishing some other work, to check influence of any city from name, >> > on >> > that person where he/she wants to reside, NAME RASHI will work with more >> > accuracy as compared with that BIRTH RASHI.* >> > >> > * * >> > >> > *According to this, both signs, whether that is a BIRTH RASHI SIGN or A >> > NAME RASHI SIGN are having their utility value at their desired level.* >> > >> > * * >> > >> > *AS, THE NAME OF A PERSON IS NEVER FIXED ACCORDING TO ASCEDENT, IT IS >> > ONLY >> > FIXED ACCORDING TO BIRTH RASHI SIGN OR SOMETIMES WITHOUT THIS, SO IT IS >> > NOT >> > ADVISED TO USE NAME SIGN OR RASHI SIGN AS IN HOUSE NUMBER ONE, i.e. as >> > ASCENDENT, EXCEPT IN CASE, WHERE RASHI SIGN AND ASCENDENT SIGN ARE SAME >> > ACCORDING TO HOROSCOPE.* >> > >> > * * >> > >> > *With regards¡¡rabinder bhandari* >> > >> > >> > 2009/6/6 kulbir bance <kulbirbance >> > >> > >> >> >> >> Respected Bhandari ji, lalkitab armaan page one last para; it is >> >> written that " .... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA ASAR >> >> MANA HAI " the popular method is to derive the first alphabet >> >> corresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka page 7 >> >> line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. Can we >> >> name a child considering planets in house no 1 in sucg a way that the >> >> name of the child gives a boost to his destiny. Kindly share your >> >> learned views on this aspect. Regards. Kulbir. >> >> >> >> On 6/5/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar <nirbhar%40gmail.com>> >> >> wrote: >> >> > Dear Tahmasp , >> >> > >> >> > Here is an excrepts from the Chiero Famous book 'Language of Hand'. >> >> > Here >> >> > Chiero discussed about Lalkitab. I highlighted the related text. >> >> > Regards >> >> > Nirmal >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > 2009-06-05 >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ·¢¼þÈË£º shahtahmasp >> >> > ·¢ËÍʱ¼ä£º 2009-06-04 19:59:36 >> >> > ÊÕ¼þÈË£º >> >> > ³ËÍ£º >> >> > Ö÷Ì⣺ Palmistry >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Sarey buzurk members ko Salaam I have a question regarding the >> >> similarity or >> >> > differences in western palmistry from authors like the >> >> > very succesful Cheiro and our Lal Kitab >> >> > Respectfully >> >> > Tahmasp >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Sent from my mobile device >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > > > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 My dearest friendI have not missed or skipped anything purposely. I quoted only the relevant text. And whatever I wrote is my personal firm belief. SincerelyYograj Prabhakar --- On Sat, 13/6/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:kulbir bance <kulbirbance Re: Name : kind attention Bhandari ji Date: Saturday, 13 June, 2009, 8:41 PM Guruji, the half line mentioned by ur goodself i.e. Line 11 page 3 when read in full is "JANAM WAQT DIN MAH UMAR SAAL SAB KUCH, ISM NAAM KO BHI UDDA DETI HAI" can't under stand why u missed the first half of the line. So that means Janam waqt, din, mah, umar, saal, are also not to be considered. Then what is varshphal, importance of janam din ka grah, janam waqt ka grah etc. Needn't mention many concepts based on these. Why did u quote just half the line and ignored the first part. Regards. Kulbir. On 6/13/09, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ > wrote: > Respected Nirmal ji > > I fully agree with you that the word "Naam" means social status not the name > of a person. The next word "Haisiyat" and the complete word "Naam Haisiyat" > itself are self explanatory. > > In my humble opinion, Pundit ji just indicated regarding the belief of some > people (baa'zon ney) only, and not at all accepted this theory. If the name > of a person's name had any significance whatsoever- Pundit Ji would not have > emphasized the following while describing the methodology of Lal kitab: > > "........Ism naam ko bhi uDaa deti hai." (Lal Kitab 1941, page no. 3 line > 11) > > Respectfully > Yograj Prabhakar > > > , Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar > > wrote: >> >> Respected Kulbir Ji, >> in my view it as a good practice to fix the name of a native in such a way >> that you can know the birth data from his name. Normally it was done by >> relating the name of the person with some incident, day, time at the >> timeof >> birthetc etc. In Punjab, I used to find the person having name ,som nath, >> Mangal, Budh ram or budhu, Veeru, baaru etc etc linked with the day of >> birth, Chet ram for chaitra birth, visakhu for viskakha birth, Pooran for >> punima birth and so on.. The astrologer normaly know the nature of person >> knowing the position of moon & sun in the Nakshatra. As explained by >> Bhandari Ji, There are 108 Nakshatra pada or divisions also called >> Navamsha. >> Each division has been assigned a letter(Character) by our anscestors. The >> first character of name of a person is based upon the postion of Moon in >> the particular division/pada of Nakshatra and character assigned to that >> pada and similarlyThe first character of second word of the name is kept >> with the position of sun in patrtcular pada. In my point of view, this is >> a >> great method devised by our ancestor astrologers to know the about the >> position of moon & Sun at birth time from the name of the Person. This is >> good algorithm devised by them and is still being followed in rural areas >> of >> India. >> regarding >> //".... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA ASAR >> MANA HAI" the popular method is to derive the first alphabet >> corresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka page 7 >> line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. // >> In first line In my opinion, Pt. Ji Has just given a reference that some >> persons give preference to the alphatbetics of the names to make boost >> the >> Luck. This practice is being widely followed/advised presently by >> astrologers having Numerology base and By some vedic astrologer by not >> using >> the albhabets assigned to nakshatra Padas which comes under the bad >> planets >> and owner of Bad houses. >> Regading "Naam Haisiyat Duniya Lenge" in my opinion The word naam here is >> being used to refer the status of the person in community. >> Regards >> Nirmal >> >> >> 2009/6/6 Mr Bhandari <bhandari1951@ ...> >> >> > >> > >> > *Respected Kulbir Ji,* >> > >> > * * >> > >> > *It is quite an interesting question, which you have asked with >> > reference >> > to LAL KITAB.* >> > >> > * * >> > >> > *In our PUNJAB area, or we may say in NORTH INDIA, where LAL KITAB is >> > having its origin, some people select names of their child: * >> > >> > * * >> > >> > *(1) as per birth time calculations (BIRTH RASHI SIGN), and only one >> > alphabet is selected for one segment of constellation in which the child >> > is >> > born, so there are only four words, which may fall within one >> > constellation, >> > and there are total nine words quoted for one sign, as there are 2.25 >> > constellations allocated to every sign of zodiac.* >> > >> > * * >> > >> > *(2) Only select one name alphabet (NAME RASHI SIGN), as per their >> > religious rites or that name may be given by any elderly person of that >> > family to that child.* >> > >> > * * >> > >> > *Here, we will find, that 1st is according to BIRTH RASHI SIGN, where as >> > 2 >> > nd is selected, in which case it is not confirmed whether that word may >> > pertain to RASHI SIGN or not, but both these names suggest something, as >> > it >> > was also quoted in our ANCIENT ASTROLOGICAL books such as SHEEGHAR BODH, >> > a >> > very small book, but contains wonderful information, which I have >> > learned >> > from our old traditional PANDIT JI.* >> > >> > * * >> > >> > *Difference in the use of these both names is as under:* >> > >> > * * >> > >> > *At the time of marriage, to check the influences of malefic planets >> > during transit and in Kundli Matching, fixing marriage date etc., BIRTH >> > RASHI SIGN name will be used.* >> > >> > * * >> > >> > *Similarly, at a time of fight between two enemies for checking out >> > influence of planets, to work out Mahurta for construction of House or >> > establishing some other work, to check influence of any city from name, >> > on >> > that person where he/she wants to reside, NAME RASHI will work with more >> > accuracy as compared with that BIRTH RASHI.* >> > >> > * * >> > >> > *According to this, both signs, whether that is a BIRTH RASHI SIGN or A >> > NAME RASHI SIGN are having their utility value at their desired level.* >> > >> > * * >> > >> > *AS, THE NAME OF A PERSON IS NEVER FIXED ACCORDING TO ASCEDENT, IT IS >> > ONLY >> > FIXED ACCORDING TO BIRTH RASHI SIGN OR SOMETIMES WITHOUT THIS, SO IT IS >> > NOT >> > ADVISED TO USE NAME SIGN OR RASHI SIGN AS IN HOUSE NUMBER ONE, i.e. as >> > ASCENDENT, EXCEPT IN CASE, WHERE RASHI SIGN AND ASCENDENT SIGN ARE SAME >> > ACCORDING TO HOROSCOPE.* >> > >> > * * >> > >> > *With regards¡¡rabinder bhandari* >> > >> > >> > 2009/6/6 kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ ...> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> Respected Bhandari ji, lalkitab armaan page one last para; it is >> >> written that ".... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA ASAR >> >> MANA HAI" the popular method is to derive the first alphabet >> >> corresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka page 7 >> >> line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. Can we >> >> name a child considering planets in house no 1 in sucg a way that the >> >> name of the child gives a boost to his destiny. Kindly share your >> >> learned views on this aspect. Regards. Kulbir. >> >> >> >> On 6/5/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar <nirbhar%40gmail. com>> >> >> wrote: >> >> > Dear Tahmasp , >> >> > >> >> > Here is an excrepts from the Chiero Famous book 'Language of Hand'. >> >> > Here >> >> > Chiero discussed about Lalkitab. I highlighted the related text. >> >> > Regards >> >> > Nirmal >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > 2009-06-05 >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ·¢¼þÈË£º shahtahmasp >> >> > ·¢ËÍʱ¼ä£º 2009-06-04 19:59:36 >> >> > ÊÕ¼þÈË£º >> >> > ³ËÍ£º >> >> > Ö÷Ì⣺ Palmistry >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Sarey buzurk members ko Salaam I have a question regarding the >> >> similarity or >> >> > differences in western palmistry from authors like the >> >> > very succesful Cheiro and our Lal Kitab >> >> > Respectfully >> >> > Tahmasp >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Sent from my mobile device >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > > > -- Sent from my mobile device Own a website.Get an unlimited package.Pay next to nothing.* Click here!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Nirmal ji, lalkitab says " janam waqt din mah umar saal sab kuch iism naam bhi udda deti hai " then it says " is vidya ki neev samudrik vidya hai.... Thos cheezon aur pakki ghatnaon ki buniyad par zindagi ke halaton ke jawabon ko darust mana gaya hai " example of finding time of sadhe satti is given. Then it talks about darusti by palmistry and only then apply varshphal. Recently i came across Amitabh Bachan's kundali. Many persons would have born with his birth data but they didn't attain the same status as his. So is it correct to apply varshphal even if the birth data is correct by seconds. You know almost every practitioner in this field and about 99% adopt the method of using birth horoscope and jumping on to varshphal. Is it correct. Waiting for an honest answer. Regards. Kulbir. On 6/13/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > Guruji, the half line mentioned by ur goodself i.e. Line 11 page 3 > when read in full is " JANAM WAQT DIN MAH UMAR SAAL SAB KUCH, ISM NAAM > KO BHI UDDA DETI HAI " can't under stand why u missed the first half > of the line. So that means Janam waqt, din, mah, umar, saal, are also > not to be considered. Then what is varshphal, importance of janam din > ka grah, janam waqt ka grah etc. Needn't mention many concepts based > on these. Why did u quote just half the line and ignored the first > part. Regards. Kulbir. > > On 6/13/09, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: >> Respected Nirmal ji >> >> I fully agree with you that the word " Naam " means social status not the >> name >> of a person. The next word " Haisiyat " and the complete word " Naam >> Haisiyat " >> itself are self explanatory. >> >> In my humble opinion, Pundit ji just indicated regarding the belief of >> some >> people (baa'zon ney) only, and not at all accepted this theory. If the >> name >> of a person's name had any significance whatsoever- Pundit Ji would not >> have >> emphasized the following while describing the methodology of Lal kitab: >> >> " ........Ism naam ko bhi uDaa deti hai. " (Lal Kitab 1941, page no. 3 line >> 11) >> >> Respectfully >> Yograj Prabhakar >> >> >> , Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar >> wrote: >>> >>> Respected Kulbir Ji, >>> in my view it as a good practice to fix the name of a native in such a >>> way >>> that you can know the birth data from his name. Normally it was done by >>> relating the name of the person with some incident, day, time at the >>> timeof >>> birthetc etc. In Punjab, I used to find the person having name ,som >>> nath, >>> Mangal, Budh ram or budhu, Veeru, baaru etc etc linked with the day of >>> birth, Chet ram for chaitra birth, visakhu for viskakha birth, Pooran >>> for >>> punima birth and so on.. The astrologer normaly know the nature of >>> person >>> knowing the position of moon & sun in the Nakshatra. As explained by >>> Bhandari Ji, There are 108 Nakshatra pada or divisions also called >>> Navamsha. >>> Each division has been assigned a letter(Character) by our anscestors. >>> The >>> first character of name of a person is based upon the postion of Moon >>> in >>> the particular division/pada of Nakshatra and character assigned to that >>> pada and similarlyThe first character of second word of the name is kept >>> with the position of sun in patrtcular pada. In my point of view, this >>> is >>> a >>> great method devised by our ancestor astrologers to know the about the >>> position of moon & Sun at birth time from the name of the Person. This >>> is >>> good algorithm devised by them and is still being followed in rural >>> areas >>> of >>> India. >>> regarding >>> // " .... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA ASAR >>> MANA HAI " the popular method is to derive the first alphabet >>> corresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka page 7 >>> line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. // >>> In first line In my opinion, Pt. Ji Has just given a reference that some >>> persons give preference to the alphatbetics of the names to make boost >>> the >>> Luck. This practice is being widely followed/advised presently by >>> astrologers having Numerology base and By some vedic astrologer by not >>> using >>> the albhabets assigned to nakshatra Padas which comes under the bad >>> planets >>> and owner of Bad houses. >>> Regading " Naam Haisiyat Duniya Lenge " in my opinion The word naam here >>> is >>> being used to refer the status of the person in community. >>> Regards >>> Nirmal >>> >>> >>> 2009/6/6 Mr Bhandari <bhandari1951 >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > *Respected Kulbir Ji,* >>> > >>> > * * >>> > >>> > *It is quite an interesting question, which you have asked with >>> > reference >>> > to LAL KITAB.* >>> > >>> > * * >>> > >>> > *In our PUNJAB area, or we may say in NORTH INDIA, where LAL KITAB is >>> > having its origin, some people select names of their child: * >>> > >>> > * * >>> > >>> > *(1) as per birth time calculations (BIRTH RASHI SIGN), and only one >>> > alphabet is selected for one segment of constellation in which the >>> > child >>> > is >>> > born, so there are only four words, which may fall within one >>> > constellation, >>> > and there are total nine words quoted for one sign, as there are 2.25 >>> > constellations allocated to every sign of zodiac.* >>> > >>> > * * >>> > >>> > *(2) Only select one name alphabet (NAME RASHI SIGN), as per their >>> > religious rites or that name may be given by any elderly person of >>> > that >>> > family to that child.* >>> > >>> > * * >>> > >>> > *Here, we will find, that 1st is according to BIRTH RASHI SIGN, where >>> > as >>> > 2 >>> > nd is selected, in which case it is not confirmed whether that word >>> > may >>> > pertain to RASHI SIGN or not, but both these names suggest something, >>> > as >>> > it >>> > was also quoted in our ANCIENT ASTROLOGICAL books such as SHEEGHAR >>> > BODH, >>> > a >>> > very small book, but contains wonderful information, which I have >>> > learned >>> > from our old traditional PANDIT JI.* >>> > >>> > * * >>> > >>> > *Difference in the use of these both names is as under:* >>> > >>> > * * >>> > >>> > *At the time of marriage, to check the influences of malefic planets >>> > during transit and in Kundli Matching, fixing marriage date etc., >>> > BIRTH >>> > RASHI SIGN name will be used.* >>> > >>> > * * >>> > >>> > *Similarly, at a time of fight between two enemies for checking out >>> > influence of planets, to work out Mahurta for construction of House or >>> > establishing some other work, to check influence of any city from >>> > name, >>> > on >>> > that person where he/she wants to reside, NAME RASHI will work with >>> > more >>> > accuracy as compared with that BIRTH RASHI.* >>> > >>> > * * >>> > >>> > *According to this, both signs, whether that is a BIRTH RASHI SIGN or >>> > A >>> > NAME RASHI SIGN are having their utility value at their desired >>> > level.* >>> > >>> > * * >>> > >>> > *AS, THE NAME OF A PERSON IS NEVER FIXED ACCORDING TO ASCEDENT, IT IS >>> > ONLY >>> > FIXED ACCORDING TO BIRTH RASHI SIGN OR SOMETIMES WITHOUT THIS, SO IT >>> > IS >>> > NOT >>> > ADVISED TO USE NAME SIGN OR RASHI SIGN AS IN HOUSE NUMBER ONE, i.e. as >>> > ASCENDENT, EXCEPT IN CASE, WHERE RASHI SIGN AND ASCENDENT SIGN ARE >>> > SAME >>> > ACCORDING TO HOROSCOPE.* >>> > >>> > * * >>> > >>> > *With regards¡¡rabinder bhandari* >>> > >>> > >>> > 2009/6/6 kulbir bance <kulbirbance >>> > >>> > >>> >> >>> >> Respected Bhandari ji, lalkitab armaan page one last para; it is >>> >> written that " .... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA ASAR >>> >> MANA HAI " the popular method is to derive the first alphabet >>> >> corresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka page 7 >>> >> line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. Can we >>> >> name a child considering planets in house no 1 in sucg a way that the >>> >> name of the child gives a boost to his destiny. Kindly share your >>> >> learned views on this aspect. Regards. Kulbir. >>> >> >>> >> On 6/5/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar <nirbhar%40gmail.com>> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > Dear Tahmasp , >>> >> > >>> >> > Here is an excrepts from the Chiero Famous book 'Language of Hand'. >>> >> > Here >>> >> > Chiero discussed about Lalkitab. I highlighted the related text. >>> >> > Regards >>> >> > Nirmal >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > 2009-06-05 >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > ·¢¼þÈË£º shahtahmasp >>> >> > ·¢ËÍʱ¼ä£º 2009-06-04 19:59:36 >>> >> > ÊÕ¼þÈË£º >>> >> > ³ËÍ£º >>> >> > Ö÷Ì⣺ Palmistry >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > Sarey buzurk members ko Salaam I have a question regarding the >>> >> similarity or >>> >> > differences in western palmistry from authors like the >>> >> > very succesful Cheiro and our Lal Kitab >>> >> > Respectfully >>> >> > Tahmasp >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Sent from my mobile device >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> >> >> > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 Dear Kulbir Ji,// " is vidya ki neev samudrik vidya hai.... Thos cheezon aur pakki ghatnaon ki buniyad par zindagi ke halaton ke jawabon ko darust mana gaya hai " //The above is the answer give by you your self for all the queries raised by you. Not only amitabh bachan , every person have his own destiny even they have the same date, time and place of birth and having same Mother father (In case of Twins). Let us see the example illustrated in the lalkitab. Pandit Jee has made natal kundlis based on birth data as well as on the basis of signs & line on Palm. While delineating the Kundli, He has descarded the kundli made by use of birth date & panchang etc and used the Kundli based made on the basis of Palm. Pt. Ji has clarified that for the practice and till one is so perfect in palmistry one may use the Kundlis based on Birth Data. That is for practice not for real use, But he also suggested to use the teva durusti method based upon the real events , Makan Kundli and by looking on the person body structure etc etc. In my opinion every lalkitab student must try to practice the palmistry and other samudrik methods to cast /verify the Kundlis. //So is it correct to apply varshphal even if the birth data is correct by seconds//Duration of a particular lagna is two hrs Approx. As lalkitab uses the house kundlis therefore the person born in two hours duration of a Lagna will have the same kundli. So there is no need to go for seconds as far as the lalkitab system of astrology is concerned. the only dictum left in this case is to apply the Teva Durusti (Kundli Correction). //You know almost every practitioner in this field and about 99% adopt the method of using birth horoscope and jumping on to varshphal. Is it correct.// " Lallu Kare Kavvaliyaan Rabb Sidhiyaan Paave " In my opinion, the astrologe,r who is having this grace of God and Untill this phrase stays with him , can use it with no fear. But in the real sense Either the astrologer should apply correction to each and every planet for its correct position or use the Palm based kundli for real interpretation. I feel now most of us are applying teva durusti before interpretition. RegardsNirmalOn Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 12:40 AM, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: Nirmal ji, lalkitab says " janam waqt din mah umar saal sab kuch iism naam bhi udda deti hai " then it says " is vidya ki neev samudrik vidya hai.... Thos cheezon aur pakki ghatnaon ki buniyad par zindagi ke halaton ke jawabon ko darust mana gaya hai " example of finding time of sadhe satti is given. Then it talks about darusti by palmistry and only then apply varshphal. Recently i came across Amitabh Bachan's kundali. Many persons would have born with his birth data but they didn't attain the same status as his. So is it correct to apply varshphal even if the birth data is correct by seconds. You know almost every practitioner in this field and about 99% adopt the method of using birth horoscope and jumping on to varshphal. Is it correct. Waiting for an honest answer. Regards. Kulbir. On 6/13/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > Guruji, the half line mentioned by ur goodself i.e. Line 11 page 3 > when read in full is " JANAM WAQT DIN MAH UMAR SAAL SAB KUCH, ISM NAAM > KO BHI UDDA DETI HAI " can't under stand why u missed the first half > of the line. So that means Janam waqt, din, mah, umar, saal, are also > not to be considered. Then what is varshphal, importance of janam din > ka grah, janam waqt ka grah etc. Needn't mention many concepts based > on these. Why did u quote just half the line and ignored the first > part. Regards. Kulbir. > > On 6/13/09, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: >> Respected Nirmal ji >> >> I fully agree with you that the word " Naam " means social status not the >> name >> of a person. The next word " Haisiyat " and the complete word " Naam >> Haisiyat " >> itself are self explanatory. >> >> In my humble opinion, Pundit ji just indicated regarding the belief of >> some >> people (baa'zon ney) only, and not at all accepted this theory. If the >> name >> of a person's name had any significance whatsoever- Pundit Ji would not >> have >> emphasized the following while describing the methodology of Lal kitab: >> >> " ........Ism naam ko bhi uDaa deti hai. " (Lal Kitab 1941, page no. 3 line >> 11) >> >> Respectfully >> Yograj Prabhakar >> >> >> , Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar >> wrote: >>> >>> Respected Kulbir Ji, >>> in my view it as a good practice to fix the name of a native in such a >>> way >>> that you can know the birth data from his name. Normally it was done by >>> relating the name of the person with some incident, day, time at the >>> timeof >>> birthetc etc. In Punjab, I used to find the person having name ,som >>> nath, >>> Mangal, Budh ram or budhu, Veeru, baaru etc etc linked with the day of >>> birth, Chet ram for chaitra birth, visakhu for viskakha birth, Pooran >>> for >>> punima birth and so on.. The astrologer normaly know the nature of >>> person >>> knowing the position of moon & sun in the Nakshatra. As explained by >>> Bhandari Ji, There are 108 Nakshatra pada or divisions also called >>> Navamsha. >>> Each division has been assigned a letter(Character) by our anscestors. >>> The >>> first character of name of a person is based upon the postion of Moon >>> in >>> the particular division/pada of Nakshatra and character assigned to that >>> pada and similarlyThe first character of second word of the name is kept >>> with the position of sun in patrtcular pada. In my point of view, this >>> is >>> a >>> great method devised by our ancestor astrologers to know the about the >>> position of moon & Sun at birth time from the name of the Person. This >>> is >>> good algorithm devised by them and is still being followed in rural >>> areas >>> of >>> India. >>> regarding >>> // " .... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA ASAR >>> MANA HAI " the popular method is to derive the first alphabet >>> corresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka page 7 >>> line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. // >>> In first line In my opinion, Pt. Ji Has just given a reference that some >>> persons give preference to the alphatbetics of the names to make boost >>> the >>> Luck. This practice is being widely followed/advised presently by >>> astrologers having Numerology base and By some vedic astrologer by not >>> using >>> the albhabets assigned to nakshatra Padas which comes under the bad >>> planets >>> and owner of Bad houses. >>> Regading " Naam Haisiyat Duniya Lenge " in my opinion The word naam here >>> is >>> being used to refer the status of the person in community. >>> Regards >>> Nirmal >>> >>> >>> 2009/6/6 Mr Bhandari <bhandari1951 >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > *Respected Kulbir Ji,* >>> > >>> > * * >>> > >>> > *It is quite an interesting question, which you have asked with >>> > reference >>> > to LAL KITAB.* >>> > >>> > * * >>> > >>> > *In our PUNJAB area, or we may say in NORTH INDIA, where LAL KITAB is >>> > having its origin, some people select names of their child: * >>> > >>> > * * >>> > >>> > *(1) as per birth time calculations (BIRTH RASHI SIGN), and only one >>> > alphabet is selected for one segment of constellation in which the >>> > child >>> > is >>> > born, so there are only four words, which may fall within one >>> > constellation, >>> > and there are total nine words quoted for one sign, as there are 2.25 >>> > constellations allocated to every sign of zodiac.* >>> > >>> > * * >>> > >>> > *(2) Only select one name alphabet (NAME RASHI SIGN), as per their >>> > religious rites or that name may be given by any elderly person of >>> > that >>> > family to that child.* >>> > >>> > * * >>> > >>> > *Here, we will find, that 1st is according to BIRTH RASHI SIGN, where >>> > as >>> > 2 >>> > nd is selected, in which case it is not confirmed whether that word >>> > may >>> > pertain to RASHI SIGN or not, but both these names suggest something, >>> > as >>> > it >>> > was also quoted in our ANCIENT ASTROLOGICAL books such as SHEEGHAR >>> > BODH, >>> > a >>> > very small book, but contains wonderful information, which I have >>> > learned >>> > from our old traditional PANDIT JI.* >>> > >>> > * * >>> > >>> > *Difference in the use of these both names is as under:* >>> > >>> > * * >>> > >>> > *At the time of marriage, to check the influences of malefic planets >>> > during transit and in Kundli Matching, fixing marriage date etc., >>> > BIRTH >>> > RASHI SIGN name will be used.* >>> > >>> > * * >>> > >>> > *Similarly, at a time of fight between two enemies for checking out >>> > influence of planets, to work out Mahurta for construction of House or >>> > establishing some other work, to check influence of any city from >>> > name, >>> > on >>> > that person where he/she wants to reside, NAME RASHI will work with >>> > more >>> > accuracy as compared with that BIRTH RASHI.* >>> > >>> > * * >>> > >>> > *According to this, both signs, whether that is a BIRTH RASHI SIGN or >>> > A >>> > NAME RASHI SIGN are having their utility value at their desired >>> > level.* >>> > >>> > * * >>> > >>> > *AS, THE NAME OF A PERSON IS NEVER FIXED ACCORDING TO ASCEDENT, IT IS >>> > ONLY >>> > FIXED ACCORDING TO BIRTH RASHI SIGN OR SOMETIMES WITHOUT THIS, SO IT >>> > IS >>> > NOT >>> > ADVISED TO USE NAME SIGN OR RASHI SIGN AS IN HOUSE NUMBER ONE, i.e. as >>> > ASCENDENT, EXCEPT IN CASE, WHERE RASHI SIGN AND ASCENDENT SIGN ARE >>> > SAME >>> > ACCORDING TO HOROSCOPE.* >>> > >>> > * * >>> > >>> > *With regards¡¡rabinder bhandari* >>> > >>> > >>> > 2009/6/6 kulbir bance <kulbirbance >>> > >>> > >>> >> >>> >> Respected Bhandari ji, lalkitab armaan page one last para; it is >>> >> written that " .... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA ASAR >>> >> MANA HAI " the popular method is to derive the first alphabet >>> >> corresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka page 7 >>> >> line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. Can we >>> >> name a child considering planets in house no 1 in sucg a way that the >>> >> name of the child gives a boost to his destiny. Kindly share your >>> >> learned views on this aspect. Regards. Kulbir. >>> >> >>> >> On 6/5/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar <nirbhar%40gmail.com>> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > Dear Tahmasp , >>> >> > >>> >> > Here is an excrepts from the Chiero Famous book 'Language of Hand'. >>> >> > Here >>> >> > Chiero discussed about Lalkitab. I highlighted the related text. >>> >> > Regards >>> >> > Nirmal >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > 2009-06-05 >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > ·¢¼þÈË£º shahtahmasp >>> >> > ·¢ËÍʱ¼ä£º 2009-06-04 19:59:36 >>> >> > ÊÕ¼þÈË£º >>> >> > ³ËÍ£º >>> >> > Ö÷Ì⣺ Palmistry >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > Sarey buzurk members ko Salaam I have a question regarding the >>> >> similarity or >>> >> > differences in western palmistry from authors like the >>> >> > very succesful Cheiro and our Lal Kitab >>> >> > Respectfully >>> >> > Tahmasp >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Sent from my mobile device >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> >> >> > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 Guruji, in that case let the question be specific we take the whole line JANAM WAQT DIN MAH UMAR SAAL SAB KUCH, ISSM NAAM KO BHI UDDA DETI HAI. Why pick name only. It it means exclusion of janam waqt, janam din, month, year, age too. But lalkitab lays great importance to the janam waqt janam din and many many concepts are based on age of native. Ur word is like a command for us. If still u say that the line is to be taken literally and not in spirit. I will humbly accept it. Regards. Kulbir. On 6/13/09, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: > My dearest friend > > I have not missed or skipped anything purposely. I quoted only the relevant > text. And whatever I wrote is my personal firm belief. > > Sincerely > Yograj Prabhakar > > --- On Sat, 13/6/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > kulbir bance <kulbirbance > Re: Name : kind attention Bhandari ji > > Saturday, 13 June, 2009, 8:41 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Guruji, the half line mentioned by ur goodself i.e. Line 11 page 3 > > when read in full is " JANAM WAQT DIN MAH UMAR SAAL SAB KUCH, ISM NAAM > > KO BHI UDDA DETI HAI " can't under stand why u missed the first half > > of the line. So that means Janam waqt, din, mah, umar, saal, are also > > not to be considered. Then what is varshphal, importance of janam din > > ka grah, janam waqt ka grah etc. Needn't mention many concepts based > > on these. Why did u quote just half the line and ignored the first > > part. Regards. Kulbir. > > > > On 6/13/09, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ > wrote: > >> Respected Nirmal ji > >> > >> I fully agree with you that the word " Naam " means social status not the >> name > >> of a person. The next word " Haisiyat " and the complete word " Naam >> Haisiyat " > >> itself are self explanatory. > >> > >> In my humble opinion, Pundit ji just indicated regarding the belief of >> some > >> people (baa'zon ney) only, and not at all accepted this theory. If the >> name > >> of a person's name had any significance whatsoever- Pundit Ji would not >> have > >> emphasized the following while describing the methodology of Lal kitab: > >> > >> " ........Ism naam ko bhi uDaa deti hai. " (Lal Kitab 1941, page no. 3 line > >> 11) > >> > >> Respectfully > >> Yograj Prabhakar > >> > >> > >> , Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar >> > > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Respected Kulbir Ji, > >>> in my view it as a good practice to fix the name of a native in such a >>> way > >>> that you can know the birth data from his name. Normally it was done by > >>> relating the name of the person with some incident, day, time at the > >>> timeof > >>> birthetc etc. In Punjab, I used to find the person having name ,som nath, > >>> Mangal, Budh ram or budhu, Veeru, baaru etc etc linked with the day of > >>> birth, Chet ram for chaitra birth, visakhu for viskakha birth, Pooran for > >>> punima birth and so on.. The astrologer normaly know the nature of person > >>> knowing the position of moon & sun in the Nakshatra. As explained by > >>> Bhandari Ji, There are 108 Nakshatra pada or divisions also called > >>> Navamsha. > >>> Each division has been assigned a letter(Character) by our anscestors. >>> The > >>> first character of name of a person is based upon the postion of Moon in > >>> the particular division/pada of Nakshatra and character assigned to that > >>> pada and similarlyThe first character of second word of the name is kept > >>> with the position of sun in patrtcular pada. In my point of view, this >>> is > >>> a > >>> great method devised by our ancestor astrologers to know the about the > >>> position of moon & Sun at birth time from the name of the Person. This is > >>> good algorithm devised by them and is still being followed in rural areas > >>> of > >>> India. > >>> regarding > >>> // " .... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA ASAR > >>> MANA HAI " the popular method is to derive the first alphabet > >>> corresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka page 7 > >>> line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. // > >>> In first line In my opinion, Pt. Ji Has just given a reference that some > >>> persons give preference to the alphatbetics of the names to make boost > >>> the > >>> Luck. This practice is being widely followed/advised presently by > >>> astrologers having Numerology base and By some vedic astrologer by not > >>> using > >>> the albhabets assigned to nakshatra Padas which comes under the bad > >>> planets > >>> and owner of Bad houses. > >>> Regading " Naam Haisiyat Duniya Lenge " in my opinion The word naam here is > >>> being used to refer the status of the person in community. > >>> Regards > >>> Nirmal > >>> > >>> > >>> 2009/6/6 Mr Bhandari <bhandari1951@ ...> > >>> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > *Respected Kulbir Ji,* > >>> > > >>> > * * > >>> > > >>> > *It is quite an interesting question, which you have asked with > >>> > reference > >>> > to LAL KITAB.* > >>> > > >>> > * * > >>> > > >>> > *In our PUNJAB area, or we may say in NORTH INDIA, where LAL KITAB is > >>> > having its origin, some people select names of their child: * > >>> > > >>> > * * > >>> > > >>> > *(1) as per birth time calculations (BIRTH RASHI SIGN), and only one > >>> > alphabet is selected for one segment of constellation in which the >>> > child > >>> > is > >>> > born, so there are only four words, which may fall within one > >>> > constellation, > >>> > and there are total nine words quoted for one sign, as there are 2.25 > >>> > constellations allocated to every sign of zodiac.* > >>> > > >>> > * * > >>> > > >>> > *(2) Only select one name alphabet (NAME RASHI SIGN), as per their > >>> > religious rites or that name may be given by any elderly person of that > >>> > family to that child.* > >>> > > >>> > * * > >>> > > >>> > *Here, we will find, that 1st is according to BIRTH RASHI SIGN, where >>> > as > >>> > 2 > >>> > nd is selected, in which case it is not confirmed whether that word may > >>> > pertain to RASHI SIGN or not, but both these names suggest something, >>> > as > >>> > it > >>> > was also quoted in our ANCIENT ASTROLOGICAL books such as SHEEGHAR >>> > BODH, > >>> > a > >>> > very small book, but contains wonderful information, which I have > >>> > learned > >>> > from our old traditional PANDIT JI.* > >>> > > >>> > * * > >>> > > >>> > *Difference in the use of these both names is as under:* > >>> > > >>> > * * > >>> > > >>> > *At the time of marriage, to check the influences of malefic planets > >>> > during transit and in Kundli Matching, fixing marriage date etc., BIRTH > >>> > RASHI SIGN name will be used.* > >>> > > >>> > * * > >>> > > >>> > *Similarly, at a time of fight between two enemies for checking out > >>> > influence of planets, to work out Mahurta for construction of House or > >>> > establishing some other work, to check influence of any city from name, > >>> > on > >>> > that person where he/she wants to reside, NAME RASHI will work with >>> > more > >>> > accuracy as compared with that BIRTH RASHI.* > >>> > > >>> > * * > >>> > > >>> > *According to this, both signs, whether that is a BIRTH RASHI SIGN or A > >>> > NAME RASHI SIGN are having their utility value at their desired level.* > >>> > > >>> > * * > >>> > > >>> > *AS, THE NAME OF A PERSON IS NEVER FIXED ACCORDING TO ASCEDENT, IT IS > >>> > ONLY > >>> > FIXED ACCORDING TO BIRTH RASHI SIGN OR SOMETIMES WITHOUT THIS, SO IT IS > >>> > NOT > >>> > ADVISED TO USE NAME SIGN OR RASHI SIGN AS IN HOUSE NUMBER ONE, i.e. as > >>> > ASCENDENT, EXCEPT IN CASE, WHERE RASHI SIGN AND ASCENDENT SIGN ARE SAME > >>> > ACCORDING TO HOROSCOPE.* > >>> > > >>> > * * > >>> > > >>> > *With regards¡¡rabinder bhandari* > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > 2009/6/6 kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ ...> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >> > >>> >> Respected Bhandari ji, lalkitab armaan page one last para; it is > >>> >> written that " .... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA ASAR > >>> >> MANA HAI " the popular method is to derive the first alphabet > >>> >> corresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka page 7 > >>> >> line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. Can we > >>> >> name a child considering planets in house no 1 in sucg a way that the > >>> >> name of the child gives a boost to his destiny. Kindly share your > >>> >> learned views on this aspect. Regards. Kulbir. > >>> >> > >>> >> On 6/5/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar <nirbhar%40gmail. com>> > >>> >> wrote: > >>> >> > Dear Tahmasp , > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Here is an excrepts from the Chiero Famous book 'Language of Hand'. > >>> >> > Here > >>> >> > Chiero discussed about Lalkitab. I highlighted the related text. > >>> >> > Regards > >>> >> > Nirmal > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > 2009-06-05 > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > ·¢¼þÈË£º shahtahmasp > >>> >> > ·¢ËÍʱ¼ä£º 2009-06-04 19:59:36 > >>> >> > ÊÕ¼þÈË£º > >>> >> > ³ËÍ£º > >>> >> > Ö÷Ì⣺ Palmistry > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Sarey buzurk members ko Salaam I have a question regarding the > >>> >> similarity or > >>> >> > differences in western palmistry from authors like the > >>> >> > very succesful Cheiro and our Lal Kitab > >>> >> > Respectfully > >>> >> > Tahmasp > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > >>> >> -- > >>> >> Sent from my mobile device > >>> >> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > -- > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! 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Guest guest Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Nirmal ji, pt. Ji, didnot discard kundali made on base of birth data. Page 249 of Aarmaan; .... The difference would be that the horoscope based on astronomy will show solely the results of the individual's tendencies but the palm horoscope will indicate the results of his forefathers/lineage also.... The cause of difference between the two will be debt of ancestors...... This difference doesn't means that either of the two horoscopes should be ignored but the real purpose will be to find the real cause that led to difference between the two.... the real purpose would be served in finding out the cause of difference. So pt. Ji stressed to consider and compare the two. No indication is there of discarding jyotish kundali based on birth data. We had a very long disscussion on pitri rin but this method was totally ignored. Kindly reconsider ur opinion that birth data is to be left aside. It is as important as palm kundali. Infact both compliment each other. Thanks to the group's efforts in providing original books. We may be late but are not lost. Regards. Kulbir. On 6/14/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote: > Dear Kulbir Ji, > // " is vidya ki neev samudrik vidya > hai.... Thos cheezon aur pakki ghatnaon ki buniyad par zindagi ke > halaton ke jawabon ko darust mana gaya hai " // > The above is the answer give by you your self for all the queries raised by > you. > Not only amitabh bachan , every person have his own destiny even they have > the same date, time and place of birth and having same Mother father (In > case of Twins). > Let us see the example illustrated in the lalkitab. Pandit Jee has made > natal kundlis based on birth data as well as on the basis of signs & line on > Palm. While delineating the Kundli, He has descarded the kundli made by use > of birth date & panchang etc and used the Kundli based made on the basis of > Palm. > Pt. Ji has clarified that for the practice and till one is so perfect in > palmistry one may use the Kundlis based on Birth Data. That is for practice > not for real use, But he also suggested to use the teva durusti method based > upon the real events , Makan Kundli and by looking on the person body > structure etc etc. > In my opinion every lalkitab student must try to practice the palmistry and > other samudrik methods to cast /verify the Kundlis. > > //So is it correct to apply > varshphal even if the birth data is correct by seconds// > > Duration of a particular lagna is two hrs Approx. As lalkitab uses the > house kundlis therefore the person born in two hours duration of a Lagna > will have the same kundli. So there is no need to go for seconds as far as > the lalkitab system of astrology is concerned. the only dictum left in this > case is to apply the Teva Durusti (Kundli Correction). > > //You know almost every practitioner in this field and about 99% adopt the > method > of using birth horoscope and jumping on to varshphal. Is it correct.// > " Lallu Kare Kavvaliyaan Rabb Sidhiyaan Paave " In my opinion, the > astrologe,r who is having this grace of God and Untill this phrase stays > with him , can use it with no fear. But in the real sense Either the > astrologer should apply correction to each and every planet for its correct > position or use the Palm based kundli for real interpretation. I feel now > most of us are applying teva durusti before interpretition. > Regards > Nirmal > > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 12:40 AM, kulbir bance <kulbirbancewrote: > >> >> >> Nirmal ji, lalkitab says " janam waqt din mah umar saal sab kuch iism >> naam bhi udda deti hai " then it says " is vidya ki neev samudrik vidya >> hai.... Thos cheezon aur pakki ghatnaon ki buniyad par zindagi ke >> halaton ke jawabon ko darust mana gaya hai " example of finding time of >> sadhe satti is given. Then it talks about darusti by palmistry and >> only then apply varshphal. Recently i came across Amitabh Bachan's >> kundali. Many persons would have born with his birth data but they >> didn't attain the same status as his. So is it correct to apply >> varshphal even if the birth data is correct by seconds. You know >> almost every practitioner in this field and about 99% adopt the method >> of using birth horoscope and jumping on to varshphal. Is it correct. >> Waiting for an honest answer. Regards. Kulbir. >> >> >> On 6/13/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance <kulbirbance%40gmail.com>> >> wrote: >> > Guruji, the half line mentioned by ur goodself i.e. Line 11 page 3 >> > when read in full is " JANAM WAQT DIN MAH UMAR SAAL SAB KUCH, ISM NAAM >> > KO BHI UDDA DETI HAI " can't under stand why u missed the first half >> > of the line. So that means Janam waqt, din, mah, umar, saal, are also >> > not to be considered. Then what is varshphal, importance of janam din >> > ka grah, janam waqt ka grah etc. Needn't mention many concepts based >> > on these. Why did u quote just half the line and ignored the first >> > part. Regards. Kulbir. >> > >> > On 6/13/09, Yograj Prabhakar >> > <yr_prabhakar<yr_prabhakar%40>> >> wrote: >> >> Respected Nirmal ji >> >> >> >> I fully agree with you that the word " Naam " means social status not the >> >> name >> >> of a person. The next word " Haisiyat " and the complete word " Naam >> >> Haisiyat " >> >> itself are self explanatory. >> >> >> >> In my humble opinion, Pundit ji just indicated regarding the belief of >> >> some >> >> people (baa'zon ney) only, and not at all accepted this theory. If the >> >> name >> >> of a person's name had any significance whatsoever- Pundit Ji would not >> >> have >> >> emphasized the following while describing the methodology of Lal kitab: >> >> >> >> " ........Ism naam ko bhi uDaa deti hai. " (Lal Kitab 1941, page no. 3 >> line >> >> 11) >> >> >> >> Respectfully >> >> Yograj Prabhakar >> >> >> >> >> >> <%40>, >> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Respected Kulbir Ji, >> >>> in my view it as a good practice to fix the name of a native in such a >> >>> way >> >>> that you can know the birth data from his name. Normally it was done >> >>> by >> >>> relating the name of the person with some incident, day, time at the >> >>> timeof >> >>> birthetc etc. In Punjab, I used to find the person having name ,som >> >>> nath, >> >>> Mangal, Budh ram or budhu, Veeru, baaru etc etc linked with the day of >> >>> birth, Chet ram for chaitra birth, visakhu for viskakha birth, Pooran >> >>> for >> >>> punima birth and so on.. The astrologer normaly know the nature of >> >>> person >> >>> knowing the position of moon & sun in the Nakshatra. As explained by >> >>> Bhandari Ji, There are 108 Nakshatra pada or divisions also called >> >>> Navamsha. >> >>> Each division has been assigned a letter(Character) by our anscestors. >> >>> The >> >>> first character of name of a person is based upon the postion of Moon >> >>> in >> >>> the particular division/pada of Nakshatra and character assigned to >> that >> >>> pada and similarlyThe first character of second word of the name is >> kept >> >>> with the position of sun in patrtcular pada. In my point of view, this >> >>> is >> >>> a >> >>> great method devised by our ancestor astrologers to know the about the >> >>> position of moon & Sun at birth time from the name of the Person. This >> >>> is >> >>> good algorithm devised by them and is still being followed in rural >> >>> areas >> >>> of >> >>> India. >> >>> regarding >> >>> // " .... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA ASAR >> >>> MANA HAI " the popular method is to derive the first alphabet >> >>> corresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka page 7 >> >>> line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. // >> >>> In first line In my opinion, Pt. Ji Has just given a reference that >> some >> >>> persons give preference to the alphatbetics of the names to make boost >> >>> the >> >>> Luck. This practice is being widely followed/advised presently by >> >>> astrologers having Numerology base and By some vedic astrologer by not >> >>> using >> >>> the albhabets assigned to nakshatra Padas which comes under the bad >> >>> planets >> >>> and owner of Bad houses. >> >>> Regading " Naam Haisiyat Duniya Lenge " in my opinion The word naam here >> >>> is >> >>> being used to refer the status of the person in community. >> >>> Regards >> >>> Nirmal >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> 2009/6/6 Mr Bhandari <bhandari1951 >> >>> >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > *Respected Kulbir Ji,* >> >>> > >> >>> > * * >> >>> > >> >>> > *It is quite an interesting question, which you have asked with >> >>> > reference >> >>> > to LAL KITAB.* >> >>> > >> >>> > * * >> >>> > >> >>> > *In our PUNJAB area, or we may say in NORTH INDIA, where LAL KITAB >> >>> > is >> >>> > having its origin, some people select names of their child: * >> >>> > >> >>> > * * >> >>> > >> >>> > *(1) as per birth time calculations (BIRTH RASHI SIGN), and only one >> >>> > alphabet is selected for one segment of constellation in which the >> >>> > child >> >>> > is >> >>> > born, so there are only four words, which may fall within one >> >>> > constellation, >> >>> > and there are total nine words quoted for one sign, as there are >> >>> > 2.25 >> >>> > constellations allocated to every sign of zodiac.* >> >>> > >> >>> > * * >> >>> > >> >>> > *(2) Only select one name alphabet (NAME RASHI SIGN), as per their >> >>> > religious rites or that name may be given by any elderly person of >> >>> > that >> >>> > family to that child.* >> >>> > >> >>> > * * >> >>> > >> >>> > *Here, we will find, that 1st is according to BIRTH RASHI SIGN, >> >>> > where >> >>> > as >> >>> > 2 >> >>> > nd is selected, in which case it is not confirmed whether that word >> >>> > may >> >>> > pertain to RASHI SIGN or not, but both these names suggest >> >>> > something, >> >>> > as >> >>> > it >> >>> > was also quoted in our ANCIENT ASTROLOGICAL books such as SHEEGHAR >> >>> > BODH, >> >>> > a >> >>> > very small book, but contains wonderful information, which I have >> >>> > learned >> >>> > from our old traditional PANDIT JI.* >> >>> > >> >>> > * * >> >>> > >> >>> > *Difference in the use of these both names is as under:* >> >>> > >> >>> > * * >> >>> > >> >>> > *At the time of marriage, to check the influences of malefic planets >> >>> > during transit and in Kundli Matching, fixing marriage date etc., >> >>> > BIRTH >> >>> > RASHI SIGN name will be used.* >> >>> > >> >>> > * * >> >>> > >> >>> > *Similarly, at a time of fight between two enemies for checking out >> >>> > influence of planets, to work out Mahurta for construction of House >> or >> >>> > establishing some other work, to check influence of any city from >> >>> > name, >> >>> > on >> >>> > that person where he/she wants to reside, NAME RASHI will work with >> >>> > more >> >>> > accuracy as compared with that BIRTH RASHI.* >> >>> > >> >>> > * * >> >>> > >> >>> > *According to this, both signs, whether that is a BIRTH RASHI SIGN >> >>> > or >> >>> > A >> >>> > NAME RASHI SIGN are having their utility value at their desired >> >>> > level.* >> >>> > >> >>> > * * >> >>> > >> >>> > *AS, THE NAME OF A PERSON IS NEVER FIXED ACCORDING TO ASCEDENT, IT >> >>> > IS >> >>> > ONLY >> >>> > FIXED ACCORDING TO BIRTH RASHI SIGN OR SOMETIMES WITHOUT THIS, SO IT >> >>> > IS >> >>> > NOT >> >>> > ADVISED TO USE NAME SIGN OR RASHI SIGN AS IN HOUSE NUMBER ONE, i.e. >> as >> >>> > ASCENDENT, EXCEPT IN CASE, WHERE RASHI SIGN AND ASCENDENT SIGN ARE >> >>> > SAME >> >>> > ACCORDING TO HOROSCOPE.* >> >>> > >> >>> > * * >> >>> > >> >>> > *With regards¡¡rabinder bhandari* >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > 2009/6/6 kulbir bance <kulbirbance >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Respected Bhandari ji, lalkitab armaan page one last para; it is >> >>> >> written that " .... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA ASAR >> >>> >> MANA HAI " the popular method is to derive the first alphabet >> >>> >> corresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka page 7 >> >>> >> line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. Can >> >>> >> we >> >>> >> name a child considering planets in house no 1 in sucg a way that >> the >> >>> >> name of the child gives a boost to his destiny. Kindly share your >> >>> >> learned views on this aspect. Regards. Kulbir. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On 6/5/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar <nirbhar%40gmail.com >> >> >> >>> >> wrote: >> >>> >> > Dear Tahmasp , >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > Here is an excrepts from the Chiero Famous book 'Language of >> Hand'. >> >>> >> > Here >> >>> >> > Chiero discussed about Lalkitab. I highlighted the related text. >> >>> >> > Regards >> >>> >> > Nirmal >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > 2009-06-05 >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > ·¢¼þÈË£º shahtahmasp >> >>> >> > ·¢ËÍʱ¼ä£º 2009-06-04 19:59:36 >> >>> >> > ÊÕ¼þÈË£º >> >>> >> > ³ËÍ£º >> >>> >> > Ö÷Ì⣺ Palmistry >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > Sarey buzurk members ko Salaam I have a question regarding the >> >>> >> similarity or >> >>> >> > differences in western palmistry from authors like the >> >>> >> > very succesful Cheiro and our Lal Kitab >> >>> >> > Respectfully >> >>> >> > Tahmasp >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> >> >>> >> -- >> >>> >> Sent from my mobile device >> >>> >> >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > Sent from my mobile device >> > >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> >> > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Respected Kulbir Ji, janam waqt din mah umar saal sab kuch iism naam bhi udda deti hai " then it says " is vidya ki neev samudrik vidya hai.... Thos cheezon aur pakki ghatnaon ki buniyad par zindagi ke halaton ke jawabon ko darust mana gaya hai " example of finding. From above quoted lines of LAL KITAB, we can conclude that basic of LAL KITAB horoscope castings is primarily linked with SAMUDRIK, because our palm lines represent an image 42 houses of our brain, through effects of planetary influences from heavens are reflected and transferred through nervous system to other body parts, which are also represented through palm lines, mounts and other human gestures. When we go through FARMAN NO 4 of LAL KITAB : ALAM KO ILM MEIN SHAQ KAYA HAI, EVERY THING WILL BECOME CLEAR, WHY ILM QAFA, SAMUDRIK RELATED FIELDS, HOUSE HOROSCOPE AND SO MANY OTHER AREAS ARE MENTIONED IN LAL KITAB? WHEN WE READ THIS BOOK WITH CONCENTRATION AND DO PRACTICAL READING, THE RESULTS SHOW, HOW ACCURATE OUR BASIS OF JUDGEMENT ARE, WHEN DOING READINGS WITH MULTIDIRECTIONAL APROACH? WHERE AS IN TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY, OUR APROACH IS RESTRICTED ONLY TO MAN MADE LENGHTY MATHEMATICAL CALCULATION, WHERE AS WHILE WE FOLLOW COURSE THROUGH SAMUDRIK AND ILM QAFA, WE GET CHANCE TO GET MORE CLOSE TO THE ORIGINAL AREA FOR DOING READINGS, IN WHICH WE CAN DO DIRECT READINGS FROM ORIGINAL BASE, SENT BY MOTHER NATURE AT THE TIME OF BIRTH WITH NATIVE AND HIS SURROUNDING ENVIRONMENT, IN WHICH NO CHANCE OF DOUBT REMAINS. naam bhi udda deti hai Meanings of this line are very clear here, where as our respected PANDIT JI have no where quoted to treat NAME of a person as a base, on which readings are done, so it is useless to treat name for purpose of readings. Kulbir Ji, as you further asked: You know almost every practitioner in this field and about 99% adopt the method of using birth horoscope and jumping on to varshphal. Is it correct Here I may like to say, use of VARSHPHAl chart is must, because, when we cast a horoscope based on SAMUDRIK, we can confirm the age of native, even by asking about some important events i.e. we can ask what happened to you in your 29th year, he will then tell, in that month, on that day, this happened to me, so from that, we can go back to birth month and birth year, thus we can enact a horoscope and move further. In LAL KITAB, it is also mentioned that till an astrologer attains perfection in enacting horoscope according to SAMUDRIK, he can use traditional chart after doing teva drusti. With regards…..rabinder bhandari On 15/06/2009, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: Nirmal ji, pt. Ji, didnot discard kundali made on base of birth data.Page 249 of Aarmaan; .... The difference would be that the horoscopebased on astronomy will show solely the results of the individual's tendencies but the palm horoscope will indicate the results of hisforefathers/lineage also.... The cause of difference between the twowill be debt of ancestors...... This difference doesn't means thateither of the two horoscopes should be ignored but the real purpose will be to find the real cause that led to difference between thetwo.... the real purpose would be served in finding out the cause ofdifference. So pt. Ji stressed to consider and compare the two. Noindication is there of discarding jyotish kundali based on birth data. We had a very long disscussion on pitri rin but this method wastotally ignored. Kindly reconsider ur opinion that birth data is to beleft aside. It is as important as palm kundali. Infact both complimenteach other. Thanks to the group's efforts in providing original books. We may be late but are not lost. Regards. Kulbir.On 6/14/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote: > Dear Kulbir Ji,> // " is vidya ki neev samudrik vidya> hai.... Thos cheezon aur pakki ghatnaon ki buniyad par zindagi ke> halaton ke jawabon ko darust mana gaya hai " //> The above is the answer give by you your self for all the queries raised by > you.> Not only amitabh bachan , every person have his own destiny even they have> the same date, time and place of birth and having same Mother father (In> case of Twins).> Let us see the example illustrated in the lalkitab. Pandit Jee has made > natal kundlis based on birth data as well as on the basis of signs & line on> Palm. While delineating the Kundli, He has descarded the kundli made by use> of birth date & panchang etc and used the Kundli based made on the basis of > Palm.> Pt. Ji has clarified that for the practice and till one is so perfect in> palmistry one may use the Kundlis based on Birth Data. That is for practice> not for real use, But he also suggested to use the teva durusti method based > upon the real events , Makan Kundli and by looking on the person body> structure etc etc.> In my opinion every lalkitab student must try to practice the palmistry and> other samudrik methods to cast /verify the Kundlis. >> //So is it correct to apply> varshphal even if the birth data is correct by seconds//>> Duration of a particular lagna is two hrs Approx. As lalkitab uses the> house kundlis therefore the person born in two hours duration of a Lagna > will have the same kundli. So there is no need to go for seconds as far as> the lalkitab system of astrology is concerned. the only dictum left in this> case is to apply the Teva Durusti (Kundli Correction). >> //You know almost every practitioner in this field and about 99% adopt the> method> of using birth horoscope and jumping on to varshphal. Is it correct.//> " Lallu Kare Kavvaliyaan Rabb Sidhiyaan Paave " In my opinion, the > astrologe,r who is having this grace of God and Untill this phrase stays> with him , can use it with no fear. But in the real sense Either the> astrologer should apply correction to each and every planet for its correct > position or use the Palm based kundli for real interpretation. I feel now> most of us are applying teva durusti before interpretition.> Regards> Nirmal>>> On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 12:40 AM, kulbir bance <kulbirbancewrote: >>>>>>> Nirmal ji, lalkitab says " janam waqt din mah umar saal sab kuch iism>> naam bhi udda deti hai " then it says " is vidya ki neev samudrik vidya>> hai.... Thos cheezon aur pakki ghatnaon ki buniyad par zindagi ke >> halaton ke jawabon ko darust mana gaya hai " example of finding time of>> sadhe satti is given. Then it talks about darusti by palmistry and>> only then apply varshphal. Recently i came across Amitabh Bachan's >> kundali. Many persons would have born with his birth data but they>> didn't attain the same status as his. So is it correct to apply>> varshphal even if the birth data is correct by seconds. You know >> almost every practitioner in this field and about 99% adopt the method>> of using birth horoscope and jumping on to varshphal. Is it correct.>> Waiting for an honest answer. Regards. Kulbir. >>>>>> On 6/13/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance <kulbirbance%40gmail.com>> >> wrote:>> > Guruji, the half line mentioned by ur goodself i.e. Line 11 page 3>> > when read in full is " JANAM WAQT DIN MAH UMAR SAAL SAB KUCH, ISM NAAM>> > KO BHI UDDA DETI HAI " can't under stand why u missed the first half >> > of the line. So that means Janam waqt, din, mah, umar, saal, are also>> > not to be considered. Then what is varshphal, importance of janam din>> > ka grah, janam waqt ka grah etc. Needn't mention many concepts based >> > on these. Why did u quote just half the line and ignored the first>> > part. Regards. Kulbir.>> >>> > On 6/13/09, Yograj Prabhakar>> > <yr_prabhakar<yr_prabhakar%40>> >> wrote:>> >> Respected Nirmal ji>> >>>> >> I fully agree with you that the word " Naam " means social status not the>> >> name>> >> of a person. The next word " Haisiyat " and the complete word " Naam >> >> Haisiyat " >> >> itself are self explanatory.>> >>>> >> In my humble opinion, Pundit ji just indicated regarding the belief of>> >> some >> >> people (baa'zon ney) only, and not at all accepted this theory. If the>> >> name>> >> of a person's name had any significance whatsoever- Pundit Ji would not>> >> have >> >> emphasized the following while describing the methodology of Lal kitab:>> >>>> >> " ........Ism naam ko bhi uDaa deti hai. " (Lal Kitab 1941, page no. 3>> line >> >> 11)>> >>>> >> Respectfully>> >> Yograj Prabhakar>> >>>> >>>> >> <%40>, >> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar>> >> wrote:>> >>>>> >>> Respected Kulbir Ji,>> >>> in my view it as a good practice to fix the name of a native in such a >> >>> way>> >>> that you can know the birth data from his name. Normally it was done>> >>> by>> >>> relating the name of the person with some incident, day, time at the >> >>> timeof>> >>> birthetc etc. In Punjab, I used to find the person having name ,som>> >>> nath,>> >>> Mangal, Budh ram or budhu, Veeru, baaru etc etc linked with the day of >> >>> birth, Chet ram for chaitra birth, visakhu for viskakha birth, Pooran>> >>> for>> >>> punima birth and so on.. The astrologer normaly know the nature of>> >>> person >> >>> knowing the position of moon & sun in the Nakshatra. As explained by>> >>> Bhandari Ji, There are 108 Nakshatra pada or divisions also called>> >>> Navamsha. >> >>> Each division has been assigned a letter(Character) by our anscestors.>> >>> The>> >>> first character of name of a person is based upon the postion of Moon>> >>> in >> >>> the particular division/pada of Nakshatra and character assigned to>> that>> >>> pada and similarlyThe first character of second word of the name is>> kept>> >>> with the position of sun in patrtcular pada. In my point of view, this >> >>> is>> >>> a>> >>> great method devised by our ancestor astrologers to know the about the>> >>> position of moon & Sun at birth time from the name of the Person. This >> >>> is>> >>> good algorithm devised by them and is still being followed in rural>> >>> areas>> >>> of>> >>> India.>> >>> regarding >> >>> // " .... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA ASAR>> >>> MANA HAI " the popular method is to derive the first alphabet>> >>> corresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka page 7 >> >>> line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. //>> >>> In first line In my opinion, Pt. Ji Has just given a reference that>> some>> >>> persons give preference to the alphatbetics of the names to make boost >> >>> the>> >>> Luck. This practice is being widely followed/advised presently by>> >>> astrologers having Numerology base and By some vedic astrologer by not>> >>> using >> >>> the albhabets assigned to nakshatra Padas which comes under the bad>> >>> planets>> >>> and owner of Bad houses.>> >>> Regading " Naam Haisiyat Duniya Lenge " in my opinion The word naam here >> >>> is>> >>> being used to refer the status of the person in community.>> >>> Regards>> >>> Nirmal>> >>>>> >>> >> >>> 2009/6/6 Mr Bhandari <bhandari1951>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > *Respected Kulbir Ji,*>> >>> > >> >>> > * *>> >>> >>> >>> > *It is quite an interesting question, which you have asked with>> >>> > reference>> >>> > to LAL KITAB.* >> >>> >>> >>> > * *>> >>> >>> >>> > *In our PUNJAB area, or we may say in NORTH INDIA, where LAL KITAB>> >>> > is >> >>> > having its origin, some people select names of their child: *>> >>> >>> >>> > * *>> >>> >>> >>> > *(1) as per birth time calculations (BIRTH RASHI SIGN), and only one >> >>> > alphabet is selected for one segment of constellation in which the>> >>> > child>> >>> > is>> >>> > born, so there are only four words, which may fall within one >> >>> > constellation,>> >>> > and there are total nine words quoted for one sign, as there are>> >>> > 2.25>> >>> > constellations allocated to every sign of zodiac.* >> >>> >>> >>> > * *>> >>> >>> >>> > *(2) Only select one name alphabet (NAME RASHI SIGN), as per their>> >>> > religious rites or that name may be given by any elderly person of >> >>> > that>> >>> > family to that child.*>> >>> >>> >>> > * *>> >>> >>> >>> > *Here, we will find, that 1st is according to BIRTH RASHI SIGN, >> >>> > where>> >>> > as>> >>> > 2>> >>> > nd is selected, in which case it is not confirmed whether that word>> >>> > may >> >>> > pertain to RASHI SIGN or not, but both these names suggest>> >>> > something,>> >>> > as>> >>> > it>> >>> > was also quoted in our ANCIENT ASTROLOGICAL books such as SHEEGHAR >> >>> > BODH,>> >>> > a>> >>> > very small book, but contains wonderful information, which I have>> >>> > learned>> >>> > from our old traditional PANDIT JI.* >> >>> >>> >>> > * *>> >>> >>> >>> > *Difference in the use of these both names is as under:*>> >>> >>> >>> > * * >> >>> >>> >>> > *At the time of marriage, to check the influences of malefic planets>> >>> > during transit and in Kundli Matching, fixing marriage date etc., >> >>> > BIRTH>> >>> > RASHI SIGN name will be used.*>> >>> >>> >>> > * *>> >>> >>> >>> > *Similarly, at a time of fight between two enemies for checking out >> >>> > influence of planets, to work out Mahurta for construction of House>> or>> >>> > establishing some other work, to check influence of any city from>> >>> > name, >> >>> > on>> >>> > that person where he/she wants to reside, NAME RASHI will work with>> >>> > more>> >>> > accuracy as compared with that BIRTH RASHI.* >> >>> >>> >>> > * *>> >>> >>> >>> > *According to this, both signs, whether that is a BIRTH RASHI SIGN>> >>> > or >> >>> > A>> >>> > NAME RASHI SIGN are having their utility value at their desired>> >>> > level.*>> >>> >>> >>> > * * >> >>> >>> >>> > *AS, THE NAME OF A PERSON IS NEVER FIXED ACCORDING TO ASCEDENT, IT>> >>> > IS>> >>> > ONLY>> >>> > FIXED ACCORDING TO BIRTH RASHI SIGN OR SOMETIMES WITHOUT THIS, SO IT >> >>> > IS>> >>> > NOT>> >>> > ADVISED TO USE NAME SIGN OR RASHI SIGN AS IN HOUSE NUMBER ONE, i.e.>> as>> >>> > ASCENDENT, EXCEPT IN CASE, WHERE RASHI SIGN AND ASCENDENT SIGN ARE >> >>> > SAME>> >>> > ACCORDING TO HOROSCOPE.*>> >>> >>> >>> > * *>> >>> >>> >>> > *With regards¡¡rabinder bhandari* >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > 2009/6/6 kulbir bance <kulbirbance>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> >> Respected Bhandari ji, lalkitab armaan page one last para; it is>> >>> >> written that " .... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA ASAR>> >>> >> MANA HAI " the popular method is to derive the first alphabet >> >>> >> corresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka page 7>> >>> >> line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. Can>> >>> >> we >> >>> >> name a child considering planets in house no 1 in sucg a way that>> the>> >>> >> name of the child gives a boost to his destiny. Kindly share your>> >>> >> learned views on this aspect. Regards. Kulbir. >> >>> >>>> >>> >> On 6/5/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar <nirbhar%40gmail.com >> >>>> >>> >> wrote:>> >>> >> > Dear Tahmasp ,>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> > Here is an excrepts from the Chiero Famous book 'Language of >> Hand'.>> >>> >> > Here>> >>> >> > Chiero discussed about Lalkitab. I highlighted the related text.>> >>> >> > Regards>> >>> >> > Nirmal >> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> > >> >>> >> >>> >>> >> > 2009-06-05>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj >> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> > ·¢¼þÈË£º shahtahmasp>> >>> >> > ·¢ËÍʱ¼ä£º 2009-06-04 19:59:36 >> >>> >> > ÊÕ¼þÈË£º >> >>> >> > ³ËÍ£º>> >>> >> > Ö÷Ì⣺ Palmistry>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> > >> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> > Sarey buzurk members ko Salaam I have a question regarding the>> >>> >> similarity or >> >>> >> > differences in western palmistry from authors like the>> >>> >> > very succesful Cheiro and our Lal Kitab>> >>> >> > Respectfully >> >>> >> > Tahmasp>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >> >>> >> -->> >>> >> Sent from my mobile device>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> > -->> > Sent from my mobile device>> >>>>> -->> Sent from my mobile device >>>>>-- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Respected Bhandari Ji, ur words MULTI DIMENSIONAL APPROACH are jewel in the crown. Regards. Kulbiq. On 6/15/09, Mr Bhandari <bhandari1951 wrote: > *Respected Kulbir Ji,* > > > > *janam waqt din mah umar saal sab kuch iism naam bhi udda deti hai " * > > * then it says* > > * " is vidya ki neev samudrik vidya hai.... Thos cheezon aur pakki ghatnaon > ki buniyad par zindagi ke halaton ke jawabon ko darust mana gaya hai " > example of finding.*** > > * * > > *From above quoted lines of LAL KITAB, we can conclude that basic of LAL > KITAB horoscope castings is primarily linked with SAMUDRIK, because our palm > lines represent an image 42 houses of our brain, through effects of > planetary influences from heavens are reflected and transferred through > nervous system to other body parts, which are also represented through palm > lines, mounts and other human gestures. * > > * * > > *When we go through FARMAN NO 4 of LAL KITAB : ALAM KO ILM MEIN SHAQ KAYA > HAI, EVERY THING WILL BECOME CLEAR, WHY ILM QAFA, SAMUDRIK RELATED FIELDS, > HOUSE HOROSCOPE AND SO MANY OTHER AREAS ARE MENTIONED IN LAL KITAB?* > > *WHEN WE READ THIS BOOK WITH CONCENTRATION AND DO PRACTICAL READING, THE > RESULTS SHOW, HOW ACCURATE OUR BASIS OF JUDGEMENT ARE, WHEN DOING READINGS > WITH MULTIDIRECTIONAL APROACH?* > > * WHERE AS IN TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY, OUR APROACH IS RESTRICTED ONLY TO MAN > MADE LENGHTY MATHEMATICAL CALCULATION, WHERE AS WHILE WE FOLLOW COURSE > THROUGH SAMUDRIK AND ILM QAFA, WE GET CHANCE TO GET MORE CLOSE TO THE > ORIGINAL AREA FOR DOING READINGS, IN WHICH WE CAN DO DIRECT READINGS FROM > ORIGINAL BASE, SENT BY MOTHER NATURE AT THE TIME OF BIRTH WITH NATIVE AND > HIS SURROUNDING ENVIRONMENT, IN WHICH NO CHANCE OF DOUBT REMAINS.* > > * * > > *naam bhi udda deti hai*** > > * * > > *Meanings of this line are very clear here, where as our respected PANDIT JI > have no where quoted to treat NAME of a person as a base, on which readings > are done, so it is useless to treat name for purpose of readings.* > > * * > > *Kulbir Ji, as you further asked:* > > * * > > *You know almost every practitioner in this field and about 99% adopt the > method of using birth horoscope and jumping on to varshphal. Is it correct* > > * * > > *Here I may like to say, use of VARSHPHAl chart is must, because, when we > cast a horoscope based on SAMUDRIK, we can confirm the age of native, even > by asking about some important events i.e. we can ask what happened to you > in your 29th year, he will then tell, in that month, on that day, this > happened to me, so from that, we can go back to birth month and birth year, > thus we can enact a horoscope and move further.* > > *In LAL KITAB, it is also mentioned that till an astrologer attains > perfection in enacting horoscope according to SAMUDRIK, he can use > traditional chart after doing teva drusti.* > > * * > > *With regards…..rabinder bhandari* > > > On 15/06/2009, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: >> >> >> >> Nirmal ji, pt. Ji, didnot discard kundali made on base of birth data. >> Page 249 of Aarmaan; .... The difference would be that the horoscope >> based on astronomy will show solely the results of the individual's >> tendencies but the palm horoscope will indicate the results of his >> forefathers/lineage also.... The cause of difference between the two >> will be debt of ancestors...... This difference doesn't means that >> either of the two horoscopes should be ignored but the real purpose >> will be to find the real cause that led to difference between the >> two.... the real purpose would be served in finding out the cause of >> difference. So pt. Ji stressed to consider and compare the two. No >> indication is there of discarding jyotish kundali based on birth data. >> We had a very long disscussion on pitri rin but this method was >> totally ignored. Kindly reconsider ur opinion that birth data is to be >> left aside. It is as important as palm kundali. Infact both compliment >> each other. Thanks to the group's efforts in providing original books. >> We may be late but are not lost. Regards. Kulbir. >> >> On 6/14/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar >> <nirbhar%40gmail.com>> >> wrote: >> > Dear Kulbir Ji, >> > // " is vidya ki neev samudrik vidya >> > hai.... Thos cheezon aur pakki ghatnaon ki buniyad par zindagi ke >> > halaton ke jawabon ko darust mana gaya hai " // >> > The above is the answer give by you your self for all the queries raised >> by >> > you. >> > Not only amitabh bachan , every person have his own destiny even they >> have >> > the same date, time and place of birth and having same Mother father (In >> > case of Twins). >> > Let us see the example illustrated in the lalkitab. Pandit Jee has made >> > natal kundlis based on birth data as well as on the basis of signs & >> > line >> on >> > Palm. While delineating the Kundli, He has descarded the kundli made by >> use >> > of birth date & panchang etc and used the Kundli based made on the basis >> of >> > Palm. >> > Pt. Ji has clarified that for the practice and till one is so perfect in >> > palmistry one may use the Kundlis based on Birth Data. That is for >> practice >> > not for real use, But he also suggested to use the teva durusti method >> based >> > upon the real events , Makan Kundli and by looking on the person body >> > structure etc etc. >> > In my opinion every lalkitab student must try to practice the palmistry >> and >> > other samudrik methods to cast /verify the Kundlis. >> > >> > //So is it correct to apply >> > varshphal even if the birth data is correct by seconds// >> > >> > Duration of a particular lagna is two hrs Approx. As lalkitab uses the >> > house kundlis therefore the person born in two hours duration of a Lagna >> > will have the same kundli. So there is no need to go for seconds as far >> as >> > the lalkitab system of astrology is concerned. the only dictum left in >> this >> > case is to apply the Teva Durusti (Kundli Correction). >> > >> > //You know almost every practitioner in this field and about 99% adopt >> the >> > method >> > of using birth horoscope and jumping on to varshphal. Is it correct.// >> > " Lallu Kare Kavvaliyaan Rabb Sidhiyaan Paave " In my opinion, the >> > astrologe,r who is having this grace of God and Untill this phrase stays >> > with him , can use it with no fear. But in the real sense Either the >> > astrologer should apply correction to each and every planet for its >> correct >> > position or use the Palm based kundli for real interpretation. I feel >> > now >> > most of us are applying teva durusti before interpretition. >> > Regards >> > Nirmal >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 12:40 AM, kulbir bance >> > <kulbirbance<kulbirbance%40gmail.com> >> >wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Nirmal ji, lalkitab says " janam waqt din mah umar saal sab kuch iism >> >> naam bhi udda deti hai " then it says " is vidya ki neev samudrik vidya >> >> hai.... Thos cheezon aur pakki ghatnaon ki buniyad par zindagi ke >> >> halaton ke jawabon ko darust mana gaya hai " example of finding time of >> >> sadhe satti is given. Then it talks about darusti by palmistry and >> >> only then apply varshphal. Recently i came across Amitabh Bachan's >> >> kundali. Many persons would have born with his birth data but they >> >> didn't attain the same status as his. So is it correct to apply >> >> varshphal even if the birth data is correct by seconds. You know >> >> almost every practitioner in this field and about 99% adopt the method >> >> of using birth horoscope and jumping on to varshphal. Is it correct. >> >> Waiting for an honest answer. Regards. Kulbir. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 6/13/09, kulbir bance >> >> <kulbirbance<kulbirbance%40gmail.com><kulbirbance% >> 40gmail.com>> >> >> wrote: >> >> > Guruji, the half line mentioned by ur goodself i.e. Line 11 page 3 >> >> > when read in full is " JANAM WAQT DIN MAH UMAR SAAL SAB KUCH, ISM NAAM >> >> > KO BHI UDDA DETI HAI " can't under stand why u missed the first half >> >> > of the line. So that means Janam waqt, din, mah, umar, saal, are also >> >> > not to be considered. Then what is varshphal, importance of janam din >> >> > ka grah, janam waqt ka grah etc. Needn't mention many concepts based >> >> > on these. Why did u quote just half the line and ignored the first >> >> > part. Regards. Kulbir. >> >> > >> >> > On 6/13/09, Yograj Prabhakar >> >> > <yr_prabhakar <yr_prabhakar%40><yr_prabhakar% >> 40>> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> Respected Nirmal ji >> >> >> >> >> >> I fully agree with you that the word " Naam " means social status not >> the >> >> >> name >> >> >> of a person. The next word " Haisiyat " and the complete word " Naam >> >> >> Haisiyat " >> >> >> itself are self explanatory. >> >> >> >> >> >> In my humble opinion, Pundit ji just indicated regarding the belief >> of >> >> >> some >> >> >> people (baa'zon ney) only, and not at all accepted this theory. If >> the >> >> >> name >> >> >> of a person's name had any significance whatsoever- Pundit Ji would >> not >> >> >> have >> >> >> emphasized the following while describing the methodology of Lal >> kitab: >> >> >> >> >> >> " ........Ism naam ko bhi uDaa deti hai. " (Lal Kitab 1941, page no. 3 >> >> line >> >> >> 11) >> >> >> >> >> >> Respectfully >> >> >> Yograj Prabhakar >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- In >> >> >> <%40><% >> 40>, >> >> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Respected Kulbir Ji, >> >> >>> in my view it as a good practice to fix the name of a native in >> >> >>> such >> a >> >> >>> way >> >> >>> that you can know the birth data from his name. Normally it was >> >> >>> done >> >> >>> by >> >> >>> relating the name of the person with some incident, day, time at >> >> >>> the >> >> >>> timeof >> >> >>> birthetc etc. In Punjab, I used to find the person having name ,som >> >> >>> nath, >> >> >>> Mangal, Budh ram or budhu, Veeru, baaru etc etc linked with the day >> of >> >> >>> birth, Chet ram for chaitra birth, visakhu for viskakha birth, >> Pooran >> >> >>> for >> >> >>> punima birth and so on.. The astrologer normaly know the nature of >> >> >>> person >> >> >>> knowing the position of moon & sun in the Nakshatra. As explained >> >> >>> by >> >> >>> Bhandari Ji, There are 108 Nakshatra pada or divisions also called >> >> >>> Navamsha. >> >> >>> Each division has been assigned a letter(Character) by our >> anscestors. >> >> >>> The >> >> >>> first character of name of a person is based upon the postion of >> Moon >> >> >>> in >> >> >>> the particular division/pada of Nakshatra and character assigned to >> >> that >> >> >>> pada and similarlyThe first character of second word of the name is >> >> kept >> >> >>> with the position of sun in patrtcular pada. In my point of view, >> this >> >> >>> is >> >> >>> a >> >> >>> great method devised by our ancestor astrologers to know the about >> the >> >> >>> position of moon & Sun at birth time from the name of the Person. >> This >> >> >>> is >> >> >>> good algorithm devised by them and is still being followed in rural >> >> >>> areas >> >> >>> of >> >> >>> India. >> >> >>> regarding >> >> >>> // " .... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA ASAR >> >> >>> MANA HAI " the popular method is to derive the first alphabet >> >> >>> corresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka page 7 >> >> >>> line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. // >> >> >>> In first line In my opinion, Pt. Ji Has just given a reference that >> >> some >> >> >>> persons give preference to the alphatbetics of the names to make >> boost >> >> >>> the >> >> >>> Luck. This practice is being widely followed/advised presently by >> >> >>> astrologers having Numerology base and By some vedic astrologer by >> not >> >> >>> using >> >> >>> the albhabets assigned to nakshatra Padas which comes under the bad >> >> >>> planets >> >> >>> and owner of Bad houses. >> >> >>> Regading " Naam Haisiyat Duniya Lenge " in my opinion The word naam >> here >> >> >>> is >> >> >>> being used to refer the status of the person in community. >> >> >>> Regards >> >> >>> Nirmal >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> 2009/6/6 Mr Bhandari <bhandari1951 >> >> >>> >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > *Respected Kulbir Ji,* >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > * * >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > *It is quite an interesting question, which you have asked with >> >> >>> > reference >> >> >>> > to LAL KITAB.* >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > * * >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > *In our PUNJAB area, or we may say in NORTH INDIA, where LAL >> >> >>> > KITAB >> >> >>> > is >> >> >>> > having its origin, some people select names of their child: * >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > * * >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > *(1) as per birth time calculations (BIRTH RASHI SIGN), and only >> one >> >> >>> > alphabet is selected for one segment of constellation in which >> >> >>> > the >> >> >>> > child >> >> >>> > is >> >> >>> > born, so there are only four words, which may fall within one >> >> >>> > constellation, >> >> >>> > and there are total nine words quoted for one sign, as there are >> >> >>> > 2.25 >> >> >>> > constellations allocated to every sign of zodiac.* >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > * * >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > *(2) Only select one name alphabet (NAME RASHI SIGN), as per >> >> >>> > their >> >> >>> > religious rites or that name may be given by any elderly person >> >> >>> > of >> >> >>> > that >> >> >>> > family to that child.* >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > * * >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > *Here, we will find, that 1st is according to BIRTH RASHI SIGN, >> >> >>> > where >> >> >>> > as >> >> >>> > 2 >> >> >>> > nd is selected, in which case it is not confirmed whether that >> word >> >> >>> > may >> >> >>> > pertain to RASHI SIGN or not, but both these names suggest >> >> >>> > something, >> >> >>> > as >> >> >>> > it >> >> >>> > was also quoted in our ANCIENT ASTROLOGICAL books such as >> >> >>> > SHEEGHAR >> >> >>> > BODH, >> >> >>> > a >> >> >>> > very small book, but contains wonderful information, which I have >> >> >>> > learned >> >> >>> > from our old traditional PANDIT JI.* >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > * * >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > *Difference in the use of these both names is as under:* >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > * * >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > *At the time of marriage, to check the influences of malefic >> planets >> >> >>> > during transit and in Kundli Matching, fixing marriage date etc., >> >> >>> > BIRTH >> >> >>> > RASHI SIGN name will be used.* >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > * * >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > *Similarly, at a time of fight between two enemies for checking >> out >> >> >>> > influence of planets, to work out Mahurta for construction of >> House >> >> or >> >> >>> > establishing some other work, to check influence of any city from >> >> >>> > name, >> >> >>> > on >> >> >>> > that person where he/she wants to reside, NAME RASHI will work >> with >> >> >>> > more >> >> >>> > accuracy as compared with that BIRTH RASHI.* >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > * * >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > *According to this, both signs, whether that is a BIRTH RASHI >> >> >>> > SIGN >> >> >>> > or >> >> >>> > A >> >> >>> > NAME RASHI SIGN are having their utility value at their desired >> >> >>> > level.* >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > * * >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > *AS, THE NAME OF A PERSON IS NEVER FIXED ACCORDING TO ASCEDENT, >> >> >>> > IT >> >> >>> > IS >> >> >>> > ONLY >> >> >>> > FIXED ACCORDING TO BIRTH RASHI SIGN OR SOMETIMES WITHOUT THIS, SO >> IT >> >> >>> > IS >> >> >>> > NOT >> >> >>> > ADVISED TO USE NAME SIGN OR RASHI SIGN AS IN HOUSE NUMBER ONE, >> i.e. >> >> as >> >> >>> > ASCENDENT, EXCEPT IN CASE, WHERE RASHI SIGN AND ASCENDENT SIGN >> >> >>> > ARE >> >> >>> > SAME >> >> >>> > ACCORDING TO HOROSCOPE.* >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > * * >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > *With regards¡¡rabinder bhandari* >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > 2009/6/6 kulbir bance <kulbirbance >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> Respected Bhandari ji, lalkitab armaan page one last para; it is >> >> >>> >> written that " .... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA >> ASAR >> >> >>> >> MANA HAI " the popular method is to derive the first alphabet >> >> >>> >> corresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka >> >> >>> >> page >> 7 >> >> >>> >> line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. >> >> >>> >> Can >> >> >>> >> we >> >> >>> >> name a child considering planets in house no 1 in sucg a way >> >> >>> >> that >> >> the >> >> >>> >> name of the child gives a boost to his destiny. Kindly share >> >> >>> >> your >> >> >>> >> learned views on this aspect. Regards. Kulbir. >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> On 6/5/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar <nirbhar% >> 40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> wrote: >> >> >>> >> > Dear Tahmasp , >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > Here is an excrepts from the Chiero Famous book 'Language of >> >> Hand'. >> >> >>> >> > Here >> >> >>> >> > Chiero discussed about Lalkitab. I highlighted the related >> text. >> >> >>> >> > Regards >> >> >>> >> > Nirmal >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > 2009-06-05 >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > ·¢¼þÈË£º shahtahmasp >> >> >>> >> > ·¢ËÍʱ¼ä£º 2009-06-04 19:59:36 >> >> >>> >> > ÊÕ¼þÈË£º >> >> >>> >> > ³ËÍ£º >> >> >>> >> > Ö÷Ì⣺ Palmistry >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > Sarey buzurk members ko Salaam I have a question regarding the >> >> >>> >> similarity or >> >> >>> >> > differences in western palmistry from authors like the >> >> >>> >> > very succesful Cheiro and our Lal Kitab >> >> >>> >> > Respectfully >> >> >>> >> > Tahmasp >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> -- >> >> >>> >> Sent from my mobile device >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Sent from my mobile device >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Sent from my mobile device >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> >> > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 Respected Bhandari ji and Nirmal ji, armaan page1. Aagaaz last para 1st line. GRAHON KE ILLAVA SIRF 9 NIDHI 12 SIDHI KE " " HARF " " " KHALI BACHTE HAIN. YAHI DO HARF DUNIYADARON NE BACHE KA NAAM RAKHA. ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAZON NE ..... What is the possible interpretation of this para read as a whole. Regards. Kulbir. On 6/15/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > Respected Bhandari Ji, ur words MULTI DIMENSIONAL APPROACH are jewel > in the crown. Regards. Kulbiq. > > On 6/15/09, Mr Bhandari <bhandari1951 wrote: >> *Respected Kulbir Ji,* >> >> >> >> *janam waqt din mah umar saal sab kuch iism naam bhi udda deti hai " * >> >> * then it says* >> >> * " is vidya ki neev samudrik vidya hai.... Thos cheezon aur pakki >> ghatnaon >> ki buniyad par zindagi ke halaton ke jawabon ko darust mana gaya hai " >> example of finding.*** >> >> * * >> >> *From above quoted lines of LAL KITAB, we can conclude that basic of LAL >> KITAB horoscope castings is primarily linked with SAMUDRIK, because our >> palm >> lines represent an image 42 houses of our brain, through effects of >> planetary influences from heavens are reflected and transferred through >> nervous system to other body parts, which are also represented through >> palm >> lines, mounts and other human gestures. * >> >> * * >> >> *When we go through FARMAN NO 4 of LAL KITAB : ALAM KO ILM MEIN SHAQ KAYA >> HAI, EVERY THING WILL BECOME CLEAR, WHY ILM QAFA, SAMUDRIK RELATED >> FIELDS, >> HOUSE HOROSCOPE AND SO MANY OTHER AREAS ARE MENTIONED IN LAL KITAB?* >> >> *WHEN WE READ THIS BOOK WITH CONCENTRATION AND DO PRACTICAL READING, THE >> RESULTS SHOW, HOW ACCURATE OUR BASIS OF JUDGEMENT ARE, WHEN DOING >> READINGS >> WITH MULTIDIRECTIONAL APROACH?* >> >> * WHERE AS IN TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY, OUR APROACH IS RESTRICTED ONLY TO >> MAN >> MADE LENGHTY MATHEMATICAL CALCULATION, WHERE AS WHILE WE FOLLOW COURSE >> THROUGH SAMUDRIK AND ILM QAFA, WE GET CHANCE TO GET MORE CLOSE TO THE >> ORIGINAL AREA FOR DOING READINGS, IN WHICH WE CAN DO DIRECT READINGS FROM >> ORIGINAL BASE, SENT BY MOTHER NATURE AT THE TIME OF BIRTH WITH NATIVE AND >> HIS SURROUNDING ENVIRONMENT, IN WHICH NO CHANCE OF DOUBT REMAINS.* >> >> * * >> >> *naam bhi udda deti hai*** >> >> * * >> >> *Meanings of this line are very clear here, where as our respected PANDIT >> JI >> have no where quoted to treat NAME of a person as a base, on which >> readings >> are done, so it is useless to treat name for purpose of readings.* >> >> * * >> >> *Kulbir Ji, as you further asked:* >> >> * * >> >> *You know almost every practitioner in this field and about 99% adopt the >> method of using birth horoscope and jumping on to varshphal. Is it >> correct* >> >> * * >> >> *Here I may like to say, use of VARSHPHAl chart is must, because, when we >> cast a horoscope based on SAMUDRIK, we can confirm the age of native, >> even >> by asking about some important events i.e. we can ask what happened to >> you >> in your 29th year, he will then tell, in that month, on that day, this >> happened to me, so from that, we can go back to birth month and birth >> year, >> thus we can enact a horoscope and move further.* >> >> *In LAL KITAB, it is also mentioned that till an astrologer attains >> perfection in enacting horoscope according to SAMUDRIK, he can use >> traditional chart after doing teva drusti.* >> >> * * >> >> *With regards…..rabinder bhandari* >> >> >> On 15/06/2009, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Nirmal ji, pt. Ji, didnot discard kundali made on base of birth data. >>> Page 249 of Aarmaan; .... The difference would be that the horoscope >>> based on astronomy will show solely the results of the individual's >>> tendencies but the palm horoscope will indicate the results of his >>> forefathers/lineage also.... The cause of difference between the two >>> will be debt of ancestors...... This difference doesn't means that >>> either of the two horoscopes should be ignored but the real purpose >>> will be to find the real cause that led to difference between the >>> two.... the real purpose would be served in finding out the cause of >>> difference. So pt. Ji stressed to consider and compare the two. No >>> indication is there of discarding jyotish kundali based on birth data. >>> We had a very long disscussion on pitri rin but this method was >>> totally ignored. Kindly reconsider ur opinion that birth data is to be >>> left aside. It is as important as palm kundali. Infact both compliment >>> each other. Thanks to the group's efforts in providing original books. >>> We may be late but are not lost. Regards. Kulbir. >>> >>> On 6/14/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar >>> <nirbhar%40gmail.com>> >>> wrote: >>> > Dear Kulbir Ji, >>> > // " is vidya ki neev samudrik vidya >>> > hai.... Thos cheezon aur pakki ghatnaon ki buniyad par zindagi ke >>> > halaton ke jawabon ko darust mana gaya hai " // >>> > The above is the answer give by you your self for all the queries >>> > raised >>> by >>> > you. >>> > Not only amitabh bachan , every person have his own destiny even they >>> have >>> > the same date, time and place of birth and having same Mother father >>> > (In >>> > case of Twins). >>> > Let us see the example illustrated in the lalkitab. Pandit Jee has >>> > made >>> > natal kundlis based on birth data as well as on the basis of signs & >>> > line >>> on >>> > Palm. While delineating the Kundli, He has descarded the kundli made >>> > by >>> use >>> > of birth date & panchang etc and used the Kundli based made on the >>> > basis >>> of >>> > Palm. >>> > Pt. Ji has clarified that for the practice and till one is so perfect >>> > in >>> > palmistry one may use the Kundlis based on Birth Data. That is for >>> practice >>> > not for real use, But he also suggested to use the teva durusti method >>> based >>> > upon the real events , Makan Kundli and by looking on the person body >>> > structure etc etc. >>> > In my opinion every lalkitab student must try to practice the >>> > palmistry >>> and >>> > other samudrik methods to cast /verify the Kundlis. >>> > >>> > //So is it correct to apply >>> > varshphal even if the birth data is correct by seconds// >>> > >>> > Duration of a particular lagna is two hrs Approx. As lalkitab uses the >>> > house kundlis therefore the person born in two hours duration of a >>> > Lagna >>> > will have the same kundli. So there is no need to go for seconds as >>> > far >>> as >>> > the lalkitab system of astrology is concerned. the only dictum left in >>> this >>> > case is to apply the Teva Durusti (Kundli Correction). >>> > >>> > //You know almost every practitioner in this field and about 99% adopt >>> the >>> > method >>> > of using birth horoscope and jumping on to varshphal. Is it correct.// >>> > " Lallu Kare Kavvaliyaan Rabb Sidhiyaan Paave " In my opinion, the >>> > astrologe,r who is having this grace of God and Untill this phrase >>> > stays >>> > with him , can use it with no fear. But in the real sense Either the >>> > astrologer should apply correction to each and every planet for its >>> correct >>> > position or use the Palm based kundli for real interpretation. I feel >>> > now >>> > most of us are applying teva durusti before interpretition. >>> > Regards >>> > Nirmal >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 12:40 AM, kulbir bance >>> > <kulbirbance<kulbirbance%40gmail.com> >>> >wrote: >>> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Nirmal ji, lalkitab says " janam waqt din mah umar saal sab kuch iism >>> >> naam bhi udda deti hai " then it says " is vidya ki neev samudrik vidya >>> >> hai.... Thos cheezon aur pakki ghatnaon ki buniyad par zindagi ke >>> >> halaton ke jawabon ko darust mana gaya hai " example of finding time >>> >> of >>> >> sadhe satti is given. Then it talks about darusti by palmistry and >>> >> only then apply varshphal. Recently i came across Amitabh Bachan's >>> >> kundali. Many persons would have born with his birth data but they >>> >> didn't attain the same status as his. So is it correct to apply >>> >> varshphal even if the birth data is correct by seconds. You know >>> >> almost every practitioner in this field and about 99% adopt the >>> >> method >>> >> of using birth horoscope and jumping on to varshphal. Is it correct. >>> >> Waiting for an honest answer. Regards. Kulbir. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On 6/13/09, kulbir bance >>> >> <kulbirbance<kulbirbance%40gmail.com><kulbirbance% >>> 40gmail.com>> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > Guruji, the half line mentioned by ur goodself i.e. Line 11 page 3 >>> >> > when read in full is " JANAM WAQT DIN MAH UMAR SAAL SAB KUCH, ISM >>> >> > NAAM >>> >> > KO BHI UDDA DETI HAI " can't under stand why u missed the first half >>> >> > of the line. So that means Janam waqt, din, mah, umar, saal, are >>> >> > also >>> >> > not to be considered. Then what is varshphal, importance of janam >>> >> > din >>> >> > ka grah, janam waqt ka grah etc. Needn't mention many concepts >>> >> > based >>> >> > on these. Why did u quote just half the line and ignored the first >>> >> > part. Regards. Kulbir. >>> >> > >>> >> > On 6/13/09, Yograj Prabhakar >>> >> > <yr_prabhakar <yr_prabhakar%40><yr_prabhakar% >>> 40>> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >> Respected Nirmal ji >>> >> >> >>> >> >> I fully agree with you that the word " Naam " means social status >>> >> >> not >>> the >>> >> >> name >>> >> >> of a person. The next word " Haisiyat " and the complete word " Naam >>> >> >> Haisiyat " >>> >> >> itself are self explanatory. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> In my humble opinion, Pundit ji just indicated regarding the >>> >> >> belief >>> of >>> >> >> some >>> >> >> people (baa'zon ney) only, and not at all accepted this theory. If >>> the >>> >> >> name >>> >> >> of a person's name had any significance whatsoever- Pundit Ji >>> >> >> would >>> not >>> >> >> have >>> >> >> emphasized the following while describing the methodology of Lal >>> kitab: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> " ........Ism naam ko bhi uDaa deti hai. " (Lal Kitab 1941, page no. >>> >> >> 3 >>> >> line >>> >> >> 11) >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Respectfully >>> >> >> Yograj Prabhakar >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> --- In >>> >> >> <%40><% >>> 40>, >>> >> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Respected Kulbir Ji, >>> >> >>> in my view it as a good practice to fix the name of a native in >>> >> >>> such >>> a >>> >> >>> way >>> >> >>> that you can know the birth data from his name. Normally it was >>> >> >>> done >>> >> >>> by >>> >> >>> relating the name of the person with some incident, day, time at >>> >> >>> the >>> >> >>> timeof >>> >> >>> birthetc etc. In Punjab, I used to find the person having name >>> >> >>> ,som >>> >> >>> nath, >>> >> >>> Mangal, Budh ram or budhu, Veeru, baaru etc etc linked with the >>> >> >>> day >>> of >>> >> >>> birth, Chet ram for chaitra birth, visakhu for viskakha birth, >>> Pooran >>> >> >>> for >>> >> >>> punima birth and so on.. The astrologer normaly know the nature >>> >> >>> of >>> >> >>> person >>> >> >>> knowing the position of moon & sun in the Nakshatra. As explained >>> >> >>> by >>> >> >>> Bhandari Ji, There are 108 Nakshatra pada or divisions also >>> >> >>> called >>> >> >>> Navamsha. >>> >> >>> Each division has been assigned a letter(Character) by our >>> anscestors. >>> >> >>> The >>> >> >>> first character of name of a person is based upon the postion of >>> Moon >>> >> >>> in >>> >> >>> the particular division/pada of Nakshatra and character assigned >>> >> >>> to >>> >> that >>> >> >>> pada and similarlyThe first character of second word of the name >>> >> >>> is >>> >> kept >>> >> >>> with the position of sun in patrtcular pada. In my point of view, >>> this >>> >> >>> is >>> >> >>> a >>> >> >>> great method devised by our ancestor astrologers to know the >>> >> >>> about >>> the >>> >> >>> position of moon & Sun at birth time from the name of the Person. >>> This >>> >> >>> is >>> >> >>> good algorithm devised by them and is still being followed in >>> >> >>> rural >>> >> >>> areas >>> >> >>> of >>> >> >>> India. >>> >> >>> regarding >>> >> >>> // " .... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA ASAR >>> >> >>> MANA HAI " the popular method is to derive the first alphabet >>> >> >>> corresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka page >>> >> >>> 7 >>> >> >>> line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. // >>> >> >>> In first line In my opinion, Pt. Ji Has just given a reference >>> >> >>> that >>> >> some >>> >> >>> persons give preference to the alphatbetics of the names to make >>> boost >>> >> >>> the >>> >> >>> Luck. This practice is being widely followed/advised presently by >>> >> >>> astrologers having Numerology base and By some vedic astrologer >>> >> >>> by >>> not >>> >> >>> using >>> >> >>> the albhabets assigned to nakshatra Padas which comes under the >>> >> >>> bad >>> >> >>> planets >>> >> >>> and owner of Bad houses. >>> >> >>> Regading " Naam Haisiyat Duniya Lenge " in my opinion The word naam >>> here >>> >> >>> is >>> >> >>> being used to refer the status of the person in community. >>> >> >>> Regards >>> >> >>> Nirmal >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> 2009/6/6 Mr Bhandari <bhandari1951 >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > *Respected Kulbir Ji,* >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > * * >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > *It is quite an interesting question, which you have asked with >>> >> >>> > reference >>> >> >>> > to LAL KITAB.* >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > * * >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > *In our PUNJAB area, or we may say in NORTH INDIA, where LAL >>> >> >>> > KITAB >>> >> >>> > is >>> >> >>> > having its origin, some people select names of their child: * >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > * * >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > *(1) as per birth time calculations (BIRTH RASHI SIGN), and >>> >> >>> > only >>> one >>> >> >>> > alphabet is selected for one segment of constellation in which >>> >> >>> > the >>> >> >>> > child >>> >> >>> > is >>> >> >>> > born, so there are only four words, which may fall within one >>> >> >>> > constellation, >>> >> >>> > and there are total nine words quoted for one sign, as there >>> >> >>> > are >>> >> >>> > 2.25 >>> >> >>> > constellations allocated to every sign of zodiac.* >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > * * >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > *(2) Only select one name alphabet (NAME RASHI SIGN), as per >>> >> >>> > their >>> >> >>> > religious rites or that name may be given by any elderly person >>> >> >>> > of >>> >> >>> > that >>> >> >>> > family to that child.* >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > * * >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > *Here, we will find, that 1st is according to BIRTH RASHI SIGN, >>> >> >>> > where >>> >> >>> > as >>> >> >>> > 2 >>> >> >>> > nd is selected, in which case it is not confirmed whether that >>> word >>> >> >>> > may >>> >> >>> > pertain to RASHI SIGN or not, but both these names suggest >>> >> >>> > something, >>> >> >>> > as >>> >> >>> > it >>> >> >>> > was also quoted in our ANCIENT ASTROLOGICAL books such as >>> >> >>> > SHEEGHAR >>> >> >>> > BODH, >>> >> >>> > a >>> >> >>> > very small book, but contains wonderful information, which I >>> >> >>> > have >>> >> >>> > learned >>> >> >>> > from our old traditional PANDIT JI.* >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > * * >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > *Difference in the use of these both names is as under:* >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > * * >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > *At the time of marriage, to check the influences of malefic >>> planets >>> >> >>> > during transit and in Kundli Matching, fixing marriage date >>> >> >>> > etc., >>> >> >>> > BIRTH >>> >> >>> > RASHI SIGN name will be used.* >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > * * >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > *Similarly, at a time of fight between two enemies for checking >>> out >>> >> >>> > influence of planets, to work out Mahurta for construction of >>> House >>> >> or >>> >> >>> > establishing some other work, to check influence of any city >>> >> >>> > from >>> >> >>> > name, >>> >> >>> > on >>> >> >>> > that person where he/she wants to reside, NAME RASHI will work >>> with >>> >> >>> > more >>> >> >>> > accuracy as compared with that BIRTH RASHI.* >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > * * >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > *According to this, both signs, whether that is a BIRTH RASHI >>> >> >>> > SIGN >>> >> >>> > or >>> >> >>> > A >>> >> >>> > NAME RASHI SIGN are having their utility value at their desired >>> >> >>> > level.* >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > * * >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > *AS, THE NAME OF A PERSON IS NEVER FIXED ACCORDING TO ASCEDENT, >>> >> >>> > IT >>> >> >>> > IS >>> >> >>> > ONLY >>> >> >>> > FIXED ACCORDING TO BIRTH RASHI SIGN OR SOMETIMES WITHOUT THIS, >>> >> >>> > SO >>> IT >>> >> >>> > IS >>> >> >>> > NOT >>> >> >>> > ADVISED TO USE NAME SIGN OR RASHI SIGN AS IN HOUSE NUMBER ONE, >>> i.e. >>> >> as >>> >> >>> > ASCENDENT, EXCEPT IN CASE, WHERE RASHI SIGN AND ASCENDENT SIGN >>> >> >>> > ARE >>> >> >>> > SAME >>> >> >>> > ACCORDING TO HOROSCOPE.* >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > * * >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > *With regards¡¡rabinder bhandari* >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > 2009/6/6 kulbir bance <kulbirbance >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Respected Bhandari ji, lalkitab armaan page one last para; it >>> >> >>> >> is >>> >> >>> >> written that " .... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA >>> ASAR >>> >> >>> >> MANA HAI " the popular method is to derive the first alphabet >>> >> >>> >> corresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka >>> >> >>> >> page >>> 7 >>> >> >>> >> line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. >>> >> >>> >> Can >>> >> >>> >> we >>> >> >>> >> name a child considering planets in house no 1 in sucg a way >>> >> >>> >> that >>> >> the >>> >> >>> >> name of the child gives a boost to his destiny. Kindly share >>> >> >>> >> your >>> >> >>> >> learned views on this aspect. Regards. Kulbir. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On 6/5/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar <nirbhar% >>> 40gmail.com >>> >> >> >>> >> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > Dear Tahmasp , >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> > Here is an excrepts from the Chiero Famous book 'Language of >>> >> Hand'. >>> >> >>> >> > Here >>> >> >>> >> > Chiero discussed about Lalkitab. I highlighted the related >>> text. >>> >> >>> >> > Regards >>> >> >>> >> > Nirmal >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> > 2009-06-05 >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> > ·¢¼þÈË£º shahtahmasp >>> >> >>> >> > ·¢ËÍʱ¼ä£º 2009-06-04 19:59:36 >>> >> >>> >> > ÊÕ¼þÈË£º >>> >> >>> >> > ³ËÍ£º >>> >> >>> >> > Ö÷Ì⣺ Palmistry >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> > Sarey buzurk members ko Salaam I have a question regarding >>> >> >>> >> > the >>> >> >>> >> similarity or >>> >> >>> >> > differences in western palmistry from authors like the >>> >> >>> >> > very succesful Cheiro and our Lal Kitab >>> >> >>> >> > Respectfully >>> >> >>> >> > Tahmasp >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> >>> >> Sent from my mobile device >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> > >>> >> > -- >>> >> > Sent from my mobile device >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Sent from my mobile device >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from my mobile device >>> >>> >> > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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