Why study Astrology?

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Param aadrniya Kondal Sahib, It is only you who can guide us at this moment. Aapke ye shishay aapki taraf badi umeed se dekh rahe hai. yeh ek turing point hai.Is samay aapki bahut jarrot hai. Is thode se samay mai maine kulbir ji ke bare mai jana ki knowledge ke bare mai unki bhookh jabardast hai.Aise logo ka milna behad mushikal hai. Jin mahan Mahapursho ke hamne kewal naam sune hai KULBIR GI ne unko gahrai se padha hai.Aapse unrodh hai ki aap hamesha hammara margdarshan karte rahe, SADGURU kripa karen. hu, 2/7/09, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal \\\wrote:maneshwar singh kondal <mskondalRe: Why

study Astrology? Date: Thursday, 2 July, 2009, 10:54 AM

 

dear kulbir ji, this is really nice that you have started to study again of lal kitab by having in mind prior to reading it that i have to read it as a spiritual book.i know you will find lot of answers related to spiritulism in it.but for that actual tatv gyan and atam gyan related study or material should already be there in your mind to co relate the things with lal kitab teachings,as same is done in the book itself to make people ill literate like me to understand with examples given in with reference to the

context. as u are lucky to have all the learned people in and around you like pk sharma ji who are guiding you positively how to study it as a spiritual book,thats your good luck but i know he is capable of telling you the actual difference between the two and you are asking me .you know i wont miss a single second in telling you the difference but a person like you and under so much good guidence is asking such a question .i feel

some hesitance in answering which i cant explain here and will let you know in personal meeting.otherwise a small hint is that your answer lies in the previous lines before the line u have mentioned and i am sure you know the answer very well and it is difficult for me to digest that u are stuck at this linregardsMS KONDAL kulbir bance

<kulbirbance@ gmail.com>Wednesday, July 1, 2009 11:58:22 PMRe: Why study Astrology?Respected Kondal Sahib, Pardeep sharma ji told me that read lalkitabas a spiritual book. Unki agya sar mathe. I have started my studyafresh. I am stuck at pakka ghar khanna no.2 line PHAL 2-11 APNA APNADHARAM MANDIR GURUDWARA MEIN . What is the difference between dharammandir and gurudwara. Regards. Kulbir.On 7/1/09, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal > wrote:> dear kulbir ji,> you are true

what you have said and i do agree

with> it but again it depends on that how you attain education. any vidya or> education learned by self i mean to say not under the guidence of guru leads> the disciple to proudness{ahakar} and education learned under the guidence> of the guru leads the disciple to higher ends of life and down to earth> tendecy and disciple gets blessed too and further more doors are opened for> higher learning otherwise apne aap vidya pad k ahankaar yukt ho kar> vidyaarthi bhatakna mein phas jata hain.>> there> is a classic reference from ancient granths and that is the conversation> between rishiudalik and his son shwetketu.in which

shwetketu after learning> all the vedas ,and other granths from the age of twelve to twenty four years> return home and very proudly says to his father on returning that i have> learnt all the vedas and different scriptures and i am fully versed in> them,you ask me anything i will answer and at that very moment his father> said> that have you learnt that education or vidya with which one is able to learn> all the things.nothing is left to be learnt.one becomes to hear the> unhearble also and after knowing which nothing is left to learn .and it is> in scriptures that at that very moment the son realised that what sort of> mistake he has done and at that very moment he bowed in front of his father> and tells him to become his guru and give him the said education.it is worth> reading the conversation between the father and son .>> whenever we will meet i will

narrate u the whole in detail and we can> discuss openly.its a long conversation but full of knowledge.there are> always lots and lots of schools each and every school differs in its> thoughts but their prime moto is to help the humanity instead of only self> .but that is the best in which one helps humanity also and on the same hand> leads himself also to higher spiritual plane .>> Regards> MS KONDAL>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>> > Wednesday, July 1, 2009 7:02:04 PM> Re:

Why study Astrology?>> Respected Kondal Sahib, the

first day i went to astrology class the> teacher there gave a lecture. A person went to lord Buddha and> requested that he had some questions to ask. Lord Buddha said i will> answer all ur questions but before that u will have to live here in> the sangh for one whole year. I will impose no conditions, do whatever> u like but take care not to disturb others. He agreed, lived there,> heard lords discourses. After one year lord called him and asked. Now> ask whatever questions u have. The person with folded hands said> "saare prashan hi gir gaye ab poochne ko kuch raha hi nahin" so is the> case with lalkitab. All it requires patience and faith, then all> questions drop slowly. What can be more spiritual than this. Regards.> Kulbir.>> On 7/1/09, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal > wrote:>>>> dated:1-7-2009>> dear kulbir ji,>> very well said blessed persons like pundit jee never>> feel any binding in giving or distributing knowledge and they find no>> difference in humanity.>>>> Gurus work is to open the knot rightly and forever.>>>> when ever something good is written or explored in that case it is done>> for>> the whole mankind by the holy persons and such blessed like pundit ji are>> always free of bondages and the clutches of getting fame and praise for>> whatever they have done or are doing ,they are the trend setters .>> already mentioned any dignity or any good soul rather i will say

blessed>> soul wont feel any bondages or bindings on giving and sharing whatever he>> or>> she has experienced or learned in his life.>> no one can impose>> anything on anybody it is everyones free will whether to accept or reject>> the proposal but if there is pure truth in the saying or teaching whatever>> is said no one can deny it because that saying will reflect in one or>> another manner in your life and you have to accept it.>>>> i think all might be thinking that in this topic we till date havent>> discussed anything on remedial measure or astrological part but let me>> tell>> you this topic is really necessary to

be discussed prior to all,because>> astrology itself is full of how,what, when,why and many more questions and>> anyone whosoever want to read or study astrology ,for him the foremost>> question for him would arise that for what he is learning astrology?>>>> is he learning astrology for himself?>> or learning to get rid of self problems.u might have seen>> that most of the people who are astrologers these days ,had gone through>> really tough time in their past and decided to learn it.>> or told to do so because of their family tradition as is>> done in pundits families,family tradition.>> or person really

want to serve the humanity selflessly>> like>> pundit jee.>> or to make money as these days lot of people think that>> astrology is a very good tool for making money.>> in all i would like to say that it depends on>> us that how do we see to get ourself attached with the learning.from that>> very starting point our intentions and further results of outcomings could>> be derived eithr positive or negative outcome.>>>> it is rightly said>>>> " nazraein badli to nazare badal gaye>>

kishti badli to kinare badal gaye.">>>> our senior Sh. Yograjji has written very nicely>> what he has felt and observed by being a witness and has expressed his>> feelings on the ongoing discussion.i am slow in writing.i would preffer to>> have discussion by sitting face to face with each other because there are>> too many things which we can discuss easily and fluently and that too in>> big>> numbers but when it comes to writing person like me fells handicaped.>>>> otherwise i know this topic will make every one to think atleast once that>> what is their soul purpose of learning or study astrology?>>>> Regards,>> MS

KONDAL>>>>>>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __>> kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>>> >> Wednesday, July 1, 2009 10:44:31 AM>> Re: Why study Astrology?>>>> Guruji, what pt ji has written in lalkitab and what his contemporaries>> say about his life style clearly shows that pt ji was a very broad>> minded person. He has clearly written in SARSARI NOTE what is required>> to understand this book. Some extra tools can make the job easier e.g.>> Pt ji did the calculation

part manually but now softwares are used.>> Guru may be helpful in that

sense but the guru should not be such as>> he binds the subject. Pt ji was open minded to such an extent that he>> laid great stress on purani rasme, kul purohit etc. He hinself didn't>> wanted to be a guru. He gave whatever he had without any bondages.>> Reccommending something that might be helpful but Imposing is not>> right. Regards. Kulbir.>>>> On 6/30/09, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ > wrote:>>> Dear Kulbir ji>>>>>> First of all, I strongly object to the conspiracy initiated by you and>>> Jitin>>> against me to deprive me of the title "The Dumbest". Mind you, I am the>>> most>>> eligible person for this title in the field of Lal

Kitab.>>>>>> Since I have

nothing to do with this spirituality thing, I am unable to>>> comment on that. But "je ghoDi chaDhaya nee – taan chaDhdey taan batherey>>> dekhey hi ney. So I would humbly like to convey to my learned colleagues>>> in>>> the forum that in my view spirituality in not like boasting of "having">>> something special, rather it's a process of becoming the absolute ZERO.>>> I>>> believe that this Zero status can be achieved without possessing anything>>> special, but an open mind. I know many such people who are living in>>> this>>> materialistic world but still possess the high degree of this quality.>>>>>> Now, a few words about Guru. My dear friends, a Guru is not necessarily>>> a>>> human being. An ideology, an idea, a theory, even a good saying can

be>>> one's>>> Guru. Moreover in my personal humble opinion, those whom Pundit jee has>>> selected to spread the knowledge of divine Lal Kitab, those who are>>> fortunate enough to touch these sacred scriptures, do not require any>>> other>>> Guru or Sad-Guru for the matter, or did they?>>>>>> I don't know what the spirituality or Guru means to others. But I expect>>> every true Lal kitab student to be a broad minded like Pundit jee and>>> always>>> ready to share. I hate the tendency of "chunj Dubowan – par lukowan">>> adopted>>> by some of our exalted colleagues. No one should feel himself free of his>>> sacred duties after writing a few mails in the group, it is a perpetual>>> process and everybody has to work hard to complete the task assigned

by>>> Pundit jee. So my dear friends, no half measure will do. Further>>> propagation>>> of such fatal tendencies will lead us to nowhere.>>>>>> I read all the beautiful posts, and the following is my observation:>>>>>> (1). whatever Mr Sumit has written, reflects whatever he has been>>> "Taught".>>> (2). whatever Mr Jitin has expressed, indicates whatever he has>>> "Learned".>>> (3). whatever Mr Kulbir has written, clearly shows whatever he has>>> "Learned>>> and experienced" .>>> (4). Whatever Acharya MS Kondal sahib has written is the part and parcel>>> of>>> his "Basic training".>>> (5). and whatever I have expressed in the above lines is, whatever I>>> "felt".>>>>>> I will share those

interesting fables on an appropriate time as desired>>> by>>> you.>>>>>>>>> Sincerely>>> Yograj Prabhakar>>>>>>>>> , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ ...>>>> wrote:>>>>>>>> Syal ji, i am the dumbest, don't have a Satguru so i know totally>>>> nothing about Sumeet ji's method but it has an appeal moresoever when>>>> Kondal Sahib's endorses. U asked Where to sign for sure shot remedies?>>>> I can only share my practical experience. Remedial portion involves an>>>> extra dimension. Prabhakar ji is a guru. He explained this dimension>>>> by telling

a mythological story of Ek Pathi Ek

Munda. These fables>>>> might not have actually happenned but the essence is a saar of>>>> observation of thousands of years which the seers observed. I come>>>> from a rural background so i understood it in punjabi. I don't have>>>> any forbiddance from his side to hide anything that i got from him.>>>> But i would like him to translate it and send it in english also the>>>> story of Buggla phadna and Syani Jethani Kamali Dewarani. Because>>>> translation by 2nd person is not that effective. If he refuses then i>>>> will do so without even asking for his permission. Let me explain the>>>> reason for this also Lord Buddha prophecised that he will be>>>> reincarnated in our/this present time by the name of MAITRAY people>>>> are waiting for him. Some spiritual sects even

experimented to bring>>>> his soul in a body. Even a young boy (J Krishnamurthy' s elder brother)>>>> died in this process. BUT WHAT LORD BUDDHA MEANT TO CONVEY TO HIS>>>> DISCIPLES WAS THAT GURU IN THESE TIMES WILL BE A FRIEND this is actual>>>> meaning that he conveyed by MAITRAY. So Prabhakar ji and Senior>>>> members of this and other lalkitab groups are like maitray guru to me.>>>> Prabhakar ji being one of those with whom i quarrell with, abuse him,>>>> yet i recieve his blessings his doors are always open knowing very>>>> well what guru dakshina i have to offer. So i request him to tell>>>> himself these in larger interest. Otherwise i am always at ur service.>>>> Regards . Kulbir.>>>>>>>> On 6/27/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@ ...>

wrote:>>>> > Kulbir ji,>>>> > I don't know sumit ji and his caliber and neither do i doubt it. i>>>> > just>>>> > know>>>> > one thing i am probably the dumbest student in this group and nowhere>>>> > near>>>> > as any one else here.>>>> > but don't you think he needs to know the true meaning of life before>>>> > touching/ "being one" with god?>>>> >>>>> > He is saying that "naam-jaap" is the only true way to success,if>>>> > that's>>>> > the>>>> > case........ .... where do i sign?>>>> >>>>> > Regards>>>> > Jitin Syal>>>> >>>>> > @ .. com, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>>>>> > wrote:>>>> >>>>>> >> Syal ji, u r right, two concepts should be clear 1. Meaning of>>>> >> success>>>> >> 2. Explanation about the methodology.. Lets hope Sumeet ji explains.>>>> >> His explanation of horoscope matching is simply amazing. It shows>>>> >> that>>>> >> he has a very high calibre. He writes 81 in his id. As per my>>>> >> assumption if that is his birth year then such knowledge at this age>>>> >> is a karishma. He indeed is a blessed soul. Regards. Kulbir.>>>> >>>>>> >> On 6/26/09, jitinsyal82

<jitinsyal82@> wrote:>>>> >> > Kulbir

paaji,>>>> >> > I always feel that we(humans) are here to balance our negative,>>>> >> > positives>>>> >> > from previous births. if someone doesn't have something in this>>>> >> > world>>>> >> > he>>>> >> > is>>>> >> > just paying for his sins or vice versa. Even Pt. ji has left the>>>> >> > "greh>>>> >> > phal">>>> >> > planets untouched as somethings can't be changed.>>>> >> >>>>> >> > I totally agree that, any unnecessary intervention with Almighty's>>>> >> > plan>>>> >> > WILL>>>> >> > backfire, hence my point was to ask sumit ji to elaborate their>>>> >>

> option/way>>>> >> > one where he has predicted a "sure shot" at success.>>>> >> >>>>> >> > yours sincerely>>>> >> > Jitin Syal>>>> >> >>>>> >> > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>>>>> >> > wrote:>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >> Syal ji, sumeet ji will answer ur querry. I would like to share a>>>> >> >> fact. After world war the ratio of male child increased>>>> >> >> dramatically>>>> >> >> as compared to female child. 1600 : 1000. Secondly determination>>>>

>> >> of>>>>

>> >> gender at conception has parameters that are generally beyond>>>> >> >> human>>>> >> >> control. But still nature has maintained the balance that life>>>> >> >> goes>>>> >> >> on. Imagind a scenario if only male or only female child continued>>>> >> >> say>>>> >> >> for even a century. But it has not happenned. Why? There is a>>>> >> >> divine>>>> >> >> scheme, jyotish is a tool to understand it. This divine scheme and>>>> >> >> individual interests creat a confusion. Upaya may be suggessted>>>> >> >> but>>>> >> >> the upayagar should have knowledge of the divine scheme.>>>> >> >>

Unneccessary>>>> >> >> intervention will not yield results in the first place and if does>>>> >> >> somebody is going to pay for it. Written very clearly in lalkitab.>>>> >> >> Guru is a kind of superimposition on a person's mind to keep him>>>> >> >> ever>>>> >> >> alert. Regards. Kulbir.>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >> On 6/25/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@> wrote:>>>> >> >> > Sumit ji,>>>> >> >> > Are you saying that option one is a gauranteed success/remedial>>>> >> >> > measure>>>> >> >> > without any risk of "backfire" or loss of spirituality? ?>>>> >> >> > if so, please elaborate further.>>>>

>> >> >>>>> >> >> > Regards>>>> >> >> > Jitin Syal>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> > , "sumitbansal_ 81">>>> >> >> > <sumitbansal_ 81@>>>>> >> >> > wrote:>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> Respected All,>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> It is indeed a pleasure in itself to see and read such a>>>> >> >> >> beautiful>>>> >> >> >> topic>>>> >> >> >> related to Astrology

which clearly outlines the true nature

and>>>> >> >> >> objective>>>> >> >> >> of Astrology. Kondalji has given us a marvelous insight in the>>>> >> >> >> basic>>>> >> >> >> idea>>>> >> >> >> towards the mere existance of the Jyotish Shastra. It is righly>>>> >> >> >> said>>>> >> >> >> that>>>> >> >> >> Jyotish is the "ISHVARIYA JYOTI" and is a guiding light of each>>>> >> >> >> and>>>> >> >> >> every>>>> >> >> >> human being towards achieving the "Ultimate Goal" - to become>>>> >> >> >> "One">>>> >> >> >> with>>>> >> >> >>

the GOD by providing the means to initiate the purification>>>> >> >> >> process>>>> >> >> >> of>>>> >> >> >> "Chitt" and "Mann".>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> However, even when there are millions of human beings taking>>>> >> >> >> birth>>>> >> >> >> on>>>> >> >> >> this>>>> >> >> >> planet earth, not even one percent of them ever think about the>>>> >> >> >> reason>>>> >> >> >> as>>>> >> >> >> why are they born and what is the specific task assigned to>>>> >> >> >> them>>>> >> >> >>

by>>>> >> >> >> that>>>> >> >> >> one Supreme God and which is the specific path, he/she has to>>>> >> >> >> tread>>>> >> >> >> in>>>> >> >> >> order to achieve or fulfill that specific task?>>>> >> >> >> And the saddest part of the story is that by the time one>>>> >> >> >> realizes>>>> >> >> >> the>>>> >> >> >> need and authenticity of these questions, there is not enough>>>> >> >> >> time>>>> >> >> >> left>>>> >> >> >> for him to achieve the set goal. A very famous Bollywood Song>>>> >> >> >> has>>>>

>> >> >> rightly>>>> >> >> >> described this situaltion in the following lines:>>>> >> >> >> "Ladakpan Khel Mein Khoya,>>>> >> >> >> Jawaani Neend Bhar Soya,>>>> >> >> >> Burhahpa Dekh Kar Roya,>>>> >> >> >> Yehi Kissa Puraana Hai.">>>> >> >> >> But Jyoish is that devine light which can help an individual by>>>> >> >> >> breaking>>>> >> >> >> the spell of his slumber just as the light of the morning sun>>>> >> >> >> awakes>>>> >> >> >> a>>>> >> >> >> sleeping

person.>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> Spiritualism oozes from each and every aspect of Jyotish>>>> >> >> >> Shastra.>>>> >> >> >> The>>>> >> >> >> only>>>> >> >> >> consideration is the "View Point" or "Nazar" by which anyone>>>> >> >> >> looks>>>> >> >> >> at>>>> >> >> >> it.>>>> >> >> >> To illustrate, I can provide a very simple example of>>>> >> >> >> "Horoscope>>>> >> >> >> Matching".>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> Every human being has some kind of desire(s) present in

his>>>> >> >> >> heart>>>> >> >> >> and>>>> >> >> >> these desires then lead to the formation of "Aasha" and>>>> >> >> >> "Trishna".>>>> >> >> >> This>>>> >> >> >> in>>>> >> >> >> turn leads to the creation of the "Karma" which ultimately>>>> >> >> >> culminate>>>> >> >> >> in>>>> >> >> >> the formation of "Paap" and "Punya". These Paap and Punya are>>>> >> >> >> the>>>> >> >> >> deciding>>>> >> >> >> factors of the type and quality of the next life which this>>>> >> >> >>

jeevatma>>>> >> >> >> has>>>> >> >> >> to undergo.>>>> >> >> >> Now the ultimate Goal of any individual is to become one with>>>> >> >> >> GOD>>>> >> >> >> or>>>> >> >> >> to>>>> >> >> >> attain the state of "Adwait" and this can only be done by the>>>> >> >> >> purification>>>> >> >> >> of "Chitt" and "Mann" which can be attained by the purification>>>> >> >> >> of>>>> >> >> >> "Karma">>>> >> >> >> and this is the exact point where Jyotish comes into play.>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>

Anyone can Purify the Karmas in Two Ways, either using both or>>>> >> >> >> any>>>> >> >> >> one>>>> >> >> >> of>>>> >> >> >> the two. And the two ways are:>>>> >> >> >> 1. Naam Jaap - where the "Naam" is given by a "Sat-Guru">>>> >> >> >> and>>>> >> >> >> the>>>> >> >> >> "Sat-Guru" himself is guiding the person.>>>> >> >> >> 2. Dividing or Cutting his Atma into few smaller pieces and>>>> >> >> >> then>>>> >> >> >> purifying them one by one.>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> "YES, ATMA CAN ALSO BE

CUT." and this is the ultimate truth of>>>> >> >> >> the>>>> >> >> >> spirituality which if understood properly, will describe as how>>>> >> >> >> the>>>> >> >> >> GOD>>>> >> >> >> is>>>> >> >> >> keeping himself alive or "Amar". I cannot describe more here>>>> >> >> >> due>>>> >> >> >> to>>>> >> >> >> "Guru>>>> >> >> >> Agya" but, the only hint I can give is that a "Sperm" or "Beej">>>> >> >> >> created>>>> >> >> >> inside the human body is as much living as we are and we all>>>> >> >> >> are>>>>

>> >> >> made>>>> >> >> >> from>>>> >> >> >> this "Sperm" and we all have atma. Female Egg can only provide>>>> >> >> >> the>>>> >> >> >> breeding ground for this so called "Beej" but, cannot impart>>>> >> >> >> the>>>> >> >> >> "Atma">>>> >> >> >> in>>>> >> >> >> the "Beej". So, where does this "Atma" comes into the "Beej">>>> >> >> >> ????>>>> >> >> >> Yes,>>>> >> >> >> you>>>> >> >> >> guessed it right, it is the "Ansh" of our own "Atma". And in>>>> >> >> >> this>>>> >>

>> >> particular sense, each Father is just like "Param-Atma" to his>>>> >> >> >> offspring.>>>> >> >> >> So, it is the atma of the Father which is cut into pieces>>>> >> >> >> everytime>>>> >> >> >> sperms>>>> >> >> >> leaves his body. "No further explanation on this part can be>>>> >> >> >> given>>>> >> >> >> here>>>> >> >> >> due to the sensitivity of the topic">>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> Now, if you are using the option "One" only then it is "Okay">>>> >> >> >> in>>>> >> >> >> all>>>> >> >> >> sense.

However, if you are using the Option "Two" or "Both the>>>> >> >> >> options",>>>> >> >> >> then there is a catch that the "Ansh" or "Beej of your Atma">>>> >> >> >> might>>>> >> >> >> not>>>> >> >> >> get>>>> >> >> >> a proper breeding ground which might result into creation of>>>> >> >> >> more>>>> >> >> >> desire>>>> >> >> >> in the Beej due to lack of the proper "Nutrients" which a Beej>>>> >> >> >> might>>>> >> >> >> take>>>> >> >> >> from Mother which will again create "Aasha" and "Trishna" and>>>> >> >> >>

so>>>> >> >> >> on>>>> >> >> >> to>>>> >> >> >> "Paap" and "Punya". And if this happens, then, the Beej again>>>> >> >> >> has>>>> >> >> >> to>>>> >> >> >> go>>>> >> >> >> through the complete cycle of "Chauraasi".>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> As explained above, the so called "Nutrients" are nothing but>>>> >> >> >> the>>>> >> >> >> "Guna">>>> >> >> >> of the Mother and the "Actual Requirement of the Beej" is the>>>> >> >> >> "Guna">>>> >> >> >> of>>>> >> >>

>> the Father. So, if there is a mismatch between the two, then>>>> >> >> >> the>>>> >> >> >> Option>>>> >> >> >> Two is bound to fail which will create more distress in the>>>> >> >> >> human>>>> >> >> >> society.>>>> >> >> >> AND TO BE HONEST, OPTION TWO IS THE ONE WHICH IS BEING USED IN>>>> >> >> >> A>>>> >> >> >> VERY>>>> >> >> >> VERY>>>> >> >> >> VERY LARGE PROPORTION WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE ACTUAL TRUTH>>>> >> >> >> BEHIND>>>> >> >> >> THE>>>> >> >> >> USE OF THIS OPTION. AND ONLY JYOTISH IS CAPABLE OF

RECTIFYING>>>> >> >> >> THIS>>>> >> >> >> MISTAKE>>>> >> >> >> OF MAN AND SHOWING AS HOW TO BEGET WORTHY CHILDREN BY PROPER>>>> >> >> >> MATCHING>>>> >> >> >> OF>>>> >> >> >> SOIL AND SEED.>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> This clearly shows the Criticality as why Horoscope Matching is>>>> >> >> >> so>>>> >> >> >> important and the undefiable relationship between Jyotish and>>>> >> >> >> Aadhyatam.>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> In the end I can only say that Option One is the only True>>>> >> >>

>> Option>>>> >> >> >> as>>>> >> >> >> Option Two is just like using a shortcut which has the>>>> >> >> >> reputation>>>> >> >> >> of>>>> >> >> >> "Backfiring Percentage" set at 99.99% as the Jyotish Shastra is>>>> >> >> >> not>>>> >> >> >> being>>>> >> >> >> used as required. No one literally know as how to implement the>>>> >> >> >> jyotish>>>> >> >> >> shastra. All just know one thing and that is how to do the upai>>>> >> >> >> and>>>> >> >> >> that>>>> >> >> >> also incorrect. If you are playing with gun

loaded bullets, and>>>> >> >> >> you>>>> >> >> >> don't>>>> >> >> >> know how to use the gun properly, then at least cover yourself>>>> >> >> >> with>>>> >> >> >> a>>>> >> >> >> bulletproof dress first. Providing or telling Upai of something>>>> >> >> >> so>>>> >> >> >> much>>>> >> >> >> spiritual will only erode you spiritually unless and untill you>>>> >> >> >> have>>>> >> >> >> the>>>> >> >> >> required "Guru Kripa".>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> I tender my apologies for being rude or

harsh. My purpose of>>>> >> >> >> writing>>>> >> >> >> this>>>> >> >> >> was not to offend anyone but to provide the exact scenario as>>>> >> >> >> what>>>> >> >> >> is>>>> >> >> >> being done and what could it lead to.. If I have hurt the>>>> >> >> >> feelings>>>> >> >> >> of>>>> >> >> >> anyone, then please ask yourself, "Do you really have the>>>> >> >> >> required>>>> >> >> >> Bullet-Proof Suite?" You will get the answer yourself. The>>>> >> >> >> Supreme>>>> >> >> >> God>>>> >> >>

>> speakes from the very inside of your "Chitt" or "Ghat-Mandir" .>>>> >> >> >> Listen>>>> >> >> >> to>>>> >> >> >> him and you will get the answer.....>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> Whatever I have learned from my revered Guruji is as under:>>>> >> >> >> "Guru Kripa Se Hai Mila,>>>> >> >> >> Jiska Naam Sunaam.>>>> >> >> >> Ghat Ghat Mein Bole Jo Sabke,>>>> >> >> >> Hai Woh Atma Ram.">>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> Regards,>>>> >> >> >> Sumit

Bansal.>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> , maneshwar singh kondal>>>> >> >> >> <mskondal@>>>>> >> >> >> wrote:>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > date:18-6-2009>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > hello kulbir ji,>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >

first of>>>> >> >> >> > all let me thank u for discussing such a vital point in>>>> >> >> >> > astrology>>>> >> >> >> > or>>>> >> >> >> > everybody life that why and for what we are doing any job as>>>> >> >> >> > quoted>>>> >> >> >> > by>>>> >> >> >> > u that why we are using or doing astrology.this is a very>>>> >> >> >> > crucial>>>> >> >> >> > point>>>> >> >> >> > and i will try to contribute from myside what ever i know>>>> >> >> >> > openly>>>> >> >> >> > and>>>>

>> >> >> > would like everybody to share their views on this topic>>>> >> >> >> > because>>>> >> >> >> > this>>>> >> >> >> > is>>>> >> >> >> > directly related to our spiritual enlightenment and getting>>>> >> >> >> > in>>>> >> >> >> > touch>>>> >> >> >> > with god.this topic is never ending and i request all members>>>> >> >> >> > to>>>> >> >> >> > keep>>>> >> >> >> > on writing their true experiences and findings regarding>>>> >> >> >> > spiritual>>>> >> >> >> > and>>>> >>

>> >> > worldly astrology and try to differentiate between the two.>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > as kulbir ji has quoted from osho's book the words>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > jyotish>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > sampooranta>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > ekta>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > advait>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>

>> >> >> > all these words are self explanatry>>>> >> >> >> > but if we start explaining them then we will become short of>>>> >> >> >> > words>>>> >> >> >> > but>>>> >> >> >> > i would say that if we compile all these in one word we can>>>> >> >> >> > say>>>> >> >> >> > these>>>> >> >> >> > are the qualities of one and only one supreme and that is the>>>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE>>>> >> >> >> > GOD.>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > ACTUALLY WE ARE THE JEEVATMAS AND>>>> >> >> >> > ARE PART OF THE SUPREME

LORD AND DUE TO VARIOUS JANAMAS AND>>>> >> >> >> > BIRTHS>>>> >> >> >> > LOT>>>> >> >> >> > OF MISCONCEPTIONS HAVE BEEN ENGRAVED IN OUR MINDS AND BECAUSE>>>> >> >> >> > OF>>>> >> >> >> > OUR>>>> >> >> >> > SANCHIT KARMAS AND DUE TO PRARABDH WE ARE GETTING BIRTHS>>>> >> >> >> > AGAIN>>>> >> >> >> > AND>>>> >> >> >> > AGAIN AND GETTING DETACHED FROM THE SUPREME DAY BY DAY TO>>>> >> >> >> > FULFIL>>>> >> >> >> > OUR>>>> >> >> >> > WORLDLY DEEDS,WHICH ULTIMATELY LAND US NOWHERE ELSE THAN>>>> >>

>> >> > REBIRTH>>>> >> >> >> > TO>>>> >> >> >> > FULFIL OUR DESIRES AND WE GET USED TO THE RE BIRTH CYCLE AND>>>> >> >> >> > CARRY>>>> >> >> >> > ON>>>> >> >> >> > AND FORGET OUR TRUE HOME THAT IS NONE OTHER THAN THE SUPREME>>>> >> >> >> > FATHER>>>> >> >> >> > GOD.BUT>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > REMEBER ONE THING>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > HE WHO GIVES ,GIVES,GIVES, GIVES.... ...... AND FORGIVES IS>>>> >> >> >> > GOD>>>> >> >> >>

>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > AND>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > WHO GETS, GETS, GETS, GETS........ ..... AND FORGETS>>>> >> >> >> > IS>>>> >> >> >> > HUMAN>>>> >> >> >> > BEING>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > THIS IS THE NATURE OF GOD>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > BUT THEN ALSO BECAUSE OF HIS>>>> >> >> >> > FORGIVING NATURE BY DEFAULT THE SUPREME HAS PROGRAMMED EACH>>>> >> >> >> > AND>>>> >> >>

>> > EVERY>>>> >> >> >> > HUMAN MIND TO THINK OF ITSELF FOR THE ACTUAL TRUTH THAT WHY>>>> >> >> >> > HE>>>> >> >> >> > IS>>>> >> >> >> > ON>>>> >> >> >> > THIS EARTH?WHY HE IS BORN,WHAT HE HAS TO DO,IS HE HERE FOR>>>> >> >> >> > MAKING>>>> >> >> >> > MONEY>>>> >> >> >> > OR IS HE HERE TO ENJOY WOMEN OR IS HE HERE TO FOOL OTHERS OR>>>> >> >> >> > IS>>>> >> >> >> > HE>>>> >> >> >> > HERE>>>> >> >> >> > TO MAKE PROPERTY?>>>> >> >> >> > AND MANY MANY OTHER QUESTIONS, EVERY

HUMAN THINKS IN HIS MIND>>>> >> >> >> > SOME>>>> >> >> >> > DAY>>>> >> >> >> > SOME TIME .>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > THOSE R LUCKY WHO THINK AT EARLY>>>> >> >> >> > STAGE OF LIFE AND MANY THINK AT LATER AGE BUT ALL OF THEM TRY>>>> >> >> >> > TO>>>> >> >> >> > UNDERSTAND THE ACTUAL THING AND SOME R ABLE TO GET ANSWERS>>>> >> >> >> > BUT>>>> >> >> >> > THEY>>>> >> >> >> > DONT HAVE THE TIME TO USE IT PRACTICALLY BECAUSE LIFE IS TOO>>>> >> >> >> > SHORT.>>>> >> >> >>

>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > SO JYOTISH MEANS ISHVARIYA JYOTI AND EVERYBODY IS>>>> >> >> >> > HAVING>>>> >> >> >> > A>>>> >> >> >> > PART OF IT BUT HOW MANY HAVE REALISED IT?>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > SAMPOORANTA MEANS WHO HAS MASTERD THE ALL>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > EKTA MEANS ONENESS>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > ADWAIT AGAIN

THE>>>> >> >> >> > PERSON WHO HAS RAISED ABOVE FROM THE DVAIT BHAV THAT MEANS>>>> >> >> >> > HE>>>> >> >> >> > HAS>>>> >> >> >> > NO>>>> >> >> >> > DIFFERENCE BETWEEN>>>> >> >> >> > T>>>> >> >> >> > - HE TWO. MEANS JO DO SE EK ROOP>>>> >> >> >> > HO>>>> >> >> >> > JAYE>>>> >> >> >> > .>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > AS I SAID IT IS JUST A START I

DONT>>>> >> >> >> > KNOW WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN ,BUT THIS IS THE TOPIC WHICH IS>>>> >> >> >> > ATTACHED>>>> >> >> >> > WITH>>>> >> >> >> > EVERY BODY LIFE SO KEEP ON DISCUSSING IT .PRADEEP SHARMA JI>>>> >> >> >> > WAS>>>> >> >> >> > TELLING>>>> >> >> >> > ME MOST OF THE TIMES THAT I SHOULD START SUCH A TOPIC BUT I>>>> >> >> >> > WAS>>>> >> >> >> > WAITING>>>> >> >> >> > REALLY FOR THE DAY, THAT THERE WILL BE A DAY WHEN SOME ONE>>>> >> >> >> > WILL>>>> >> >> >> > COME>>>> >> >> >> >

OUT OF SO MANY LEARNED PEOPLE AND WILL ASK FOR THE TRUE>>>> >> >> >> > MEANING>>>> >> >> >> > OF>>>> >> >> >> > ASTROLOGY.YET I HAVE NOT WRITTEN MUCH BUT I WILL LOVE TO>>>> >> >> >> > WRITE>>>> >> >> >> > MORE>>>> >> >> >> > BECAUSE THIS IS THE QUESTION RELATED TO OUR TRUE SELF AND IT>>>> >> >> >> > IS>>>> >> >> >> > MY>>>> >> >> >> > FOREMOST DUTY TO ANSWER AND WILL TRY TO TELL WHAT I>>>> >> >> >> > EXPERIENCED>>>> >> >> >> > AND>>>> >> >> >> > WILL LEARN FROM ALL MY SENIORS AND COLLEAGUES WHO R

REALLY>>>> >> >> >> > DESPERATELY>>>> >> >> >> > AND SINCERELY FINDING LOTS AND LOTS OF THINGS BY MEANS OF>>>> >> >> >> > ASTROLOGY>>>> >> >> >> > TO>>>> >> >> >> > GIVE BENEFITS TO THE SOCIETY>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > THERE IS A GURUBANI QUOTE BHAYI PRAPAT MANUKH DEOHRIA>>>> >> >> >> > GOBIND>>>> >> >> >> > MILAN KI EHO TERI BARIYA>>>> >> >> >> >

AVAR>>>> >> >> >> > KAAJ>>>> >> >> >> > TERE>>>> >> >> >> > KITE NAA KAAM MIL SAADH SANGAT BHAJ KEVAL NAAM>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > MEANS: FOR WHAT U HAVE GOT>>>> >> >> >> > BIRTH>>>> >> >> >> > ON>>>> >> >> >> > THIS UNIVERSE? U HAVE GOT THIS HUMAN BODY TO MEET THE SUPREME>>>> >> >> >> > THE>>>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE AND THAT TOO U CAN DO WITHIN THIS HUMAN

BIRTH>>>> >> >> >> > ONLY,YOUR>>>> >> >> >> > ALL>>>> >> >> >> > OTHER DEEDS WONT GIVE U ANYTHING AT ALL,ONLY AND ONLY>>>> >> >> >> > RECITATION>>>> >> >> >> > OF>>>> >> >> >> > THE>>>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE AND GETTING UNITED WITH IT IS YOUR GOAL.>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > in the last i would say, by the help>>>> >> >> >> > of astrology everybody should try to find the sins or the>>>> >> >> >> > sanchit>>>> >> >> >>

> karmas by means of planets and try to get rid of their>>>> >> >> >> > influences>>>> >> >> >> > by>>>> >> >> >> > jap daan homas and sewa and many other means but should do>>>> >> >> >> > these>>>> >> >> >> > things>>>> >> >> >> > sincerely and with a fear in mind that i have to get out of>>>> >> >> >> > this>>>> >> >> >> > cycle>>>> >> >> >> > or any bad habit which i am having because of the planets bad>>>> >> >> >> > influence, because of sanchit karmas.so we r here to get>>>> >> >> >> > lessons>>>> >> >> >> >

from>>>> >> >> >> > our previous births and lead a new life in this birth with>>>> >> >> >> > the>>>> >> >> >> > help>>>> >> >> >> > of>>>> >> >> >> > astrology by trying to rectifying our bad vices and lusts for>>>> >> >> >> > life>>>> >> >> >> > and>>>> >> >> >> > try to become detached from worldly deeds.sorry everybody if>>>> >> >> >> > i>>>> >> >> >> > had>>>> >> >> >> > written anything wrong and ever hurt any body sentiments.>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>

>> >> >> > Regards>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > MS KONDAL>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > ____________ _________ _________ __>>>> >> >> >> > kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >> > Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:53:08 AM>>>> >> >> >> > Re: Ashok ji; why study astrology?>>>> >> >> >>

>>>>> >> >>

>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > Respected Ashok ji; since the day u asked " why am i>>>> >> >> >> > interested>>>> >> >> >> > in>>>> >> >> >> > study of astrology" i was looking for an answer. I read>>>> >> >> >> > Osho's>>>> >> >> >> > article>>>> >> >> >> > on astrology he writes " JYOTISH SAMPOORANTA, EAKTA AUR>>>> >> >> >> > ADVAIT>>>> >> >> >> > KA>>>> >> >> >> > VIGYAN HAI". Regards. Kulbir.>>>> >> >>

>> >>>>> >> >> >> > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ > wrote:>>>> >> >> >> > > Kulbir Ji,>>>> >> >> >> > > Thanks a lots.>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > > Best of regards>>>> >> >> >> > > Ashok Singh>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>>>>> >> >> >> > > wrote:>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > > kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>>>>> >>

>> >> > > Re: Health, Sucess/Failure (HOW>>>> >> >> >> > > MUCH>>>> >> >> >> > > ??>>>> >> >> >> > > )>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>> >> >> >> > > Monday, June 15, 2009, 11:36 AM>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >

Ashok ji, page 155-157 of 1952 part 3 uploaded by Nirmal ji>>>> >> >> >> > > ....>>>> >> >> >> > > SEHAT, BIMARI, NAFA, NUKSAAN, FATEH, SHIKASAT (these words>>>> >> >> >> > > include>>>> >> >> >> > > all>>>> >> >> >> > > of ur querries) har do pehlu ke liye yahi asool honge. This>>>> >> >> >> > > line>>>> >> >> >> > > is>>>> >> >> >> > > 2nd line under subhead BIMAARI on page 155 as ref. above.>>>> >> >> >> > > But>>>> >> >> >> > > my>>>> >> >> >> > > friend this is not all inclusive. e.g. Bimari of aathraa

is>>>> >> >> >> > > explained>>>> >> >> >> > > in farmaan no. 161 1939 volume. Go in for short cuts only>>>> >> >> >> > > in>>>> >> >> >> > > desperate>>>> >> >> >> > > situation. For study and research follow guidelines given>>>> >> >> >> > > by>>>> >> >> >> > > pt.>>>> >> >> >> > > Ji>>>> >> >> >> > > in>>>> >> >> >> > > SARSARI NOTE Regards. Kulbir.>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ > wrote:>>>> >>

>> >> > >> Kulbir Ji,>>>> >> >> >> > >> Thanks for the reply. If you can write me where in lal>>>> >> >> >> > >> kitab>>>> >> >> >> > >> written>>>> >> >> >> > >> how>>>> >> >> >> > >> to>>>> >> >> >> > >> evaluate>>>> >> >> >> > >> the native range of success, that would be great.>>>> >> >> >> > >> I am very much interested in the intensity(scale) of>>>> >> >> >> > >> health,>>>> >> >> >> > >> success>>>> >> >> >> > >> or>>>> >> >> >>

> >> failure.>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >> Best regards>>>> >> >> >> > >> Ashok Singh>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >> --- On Fri, 6/12/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>>>>> >> >> >> > >> wrote:>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >> kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>>>>> >> >> >> > >> Re: Health, Sucess/Failure (HOW>>>> >> >> >> > >> MUCH>>>> >> >> >> > >> ??

)>>>> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Friday, June 12, 2009, 12:03 PM>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >> Ashok ji, what u are saying is represented loosely by the>>>> >> >> >> > >> term>>>> >> >> >> > >> oxymoron. Secondly health and

success may be related>>>> >> >> >> > >> somehow.>>>> >> >> >> > >> But>>>> >> >> >> > >> illness is no deterent to success. Then success in which>>>> >> >> >> > >> field?>>>> >> >> >> > >> It>>>> >> >> >> > >> has>>>> >> >> >> > >> to be specific. Lastly the dictum that all houses and>>>> >> >> >> > >> planets>>>> >> >> >> > >> have>>>> >> >> >> > >> to>>>> >> >> >> > >> be considered before reaching a conclusion. This type of>>>> >> >> >> > >>

isolated>>>> >> >> >> > >> study is against the basic rules of lalkitab. Regards.>>>> >> >> >> > >> Kulbir.>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >> On 6/12/09, y2k_aksingh <y2k_aksingh@ > wrote:>>>> >> >> >> > >>> Dear Members,>>>> >> >> >> > >>> In a horoscope priciple to see health,sucess/ failure is>>>> >> >> >> > >>> the>>>> >> >> >> > >>> same.>>>> >> >> >> > >>> Can we find range of sucess as in Lal kitab written HNo.>>>> >> >> >> > >>> 10>>>> >> >> >> >

>>> shows>>>> >> >> >> > >>> the intensity of illiness does it applicable for sucess>>>> >> >> >> > >>> also.>>>> >> >> >> > >>> It would be really appreciated.>>>> >> >> >> > >>> My real goal is to find HOW MUCH i.e. what would be the>>>> >> >> >> > >>> range>>>> >> >> >> > >>> of>>>> >> >> >> > >>> sucess.>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>>> >> >> >> > >>> Thanks>>>> >> >> >> > >>> Ashok>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>>> >> >> >> >

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Dear members,I like to say that I find this present discussion a little disturbing and also somewhat out of context.In one of the messages somebody said: "P.......... told me that read lalkitab as a spiritual book".About LK-Astrology it is clearly stated in the introduction-part of LK-1952, I quote: "It comprises of all worldly considerations without any claim to divinity". This means Lal Kitab is not about spiritual or religious matters, and therefore it should not be read as such.Lal Kitab also appears to be a secular text, capable of being studied by people belonging to any religion, muslims, budhists, sikhs, hindus, christians, jains, jews or those who belong to no religion at all (ateists). This means even a sinner like my own good self, belonging to the christian faith, protestant church, can study it with good results like everybody else.Lal Kitab is a Jyotish Granth, meaning it is about the Shastra of astrology, and it is designed to teach astrology to its readers. Each and every page is pregnant with astrological information, but not spiritual or religious information.Dear Sirs, we are supposed to read out of the text, not into the text.Best wishes,Finn Wandahl

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Respected kulbir jiThere is a humble request with folded hands.Pl. donot quote my name in any reference in this group.I am a big zero in this field and try to learn a word or two by reading the mails of this group and Dr. Upadhaya group. I donot know whether i would be able to learn abc in this birth. you all are requested to keep your blessing on me as before .kulbir bance <kulbirbance Sent: Wednesday, 1 July, 2009 11:58:22 PMRe: Why study Astrology?Respected Kondal Sahib, Pardeep sharma ji told me that read lalkitabas a spiritual book. Unki agya sar mathe. I have started my studyafresh. I am stuck at pakka ghar khanna no.2 line PHAL 2-11 APNA APNADHARAM MANDIR GURUDWARA MEIN . What is the difference between dharammandir and gurudwara. Regards. Kulbir.On 7/1/09, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal wrote:> dear kulbir ji,> you are true what you have said and i do agree with> it but again it depends on that how you attain education. any vidya or> education learned by self i mean to say not under the guidence

of guru leads> the disciple to proudness{ahakar} and education learned under the guidence> of the guru leads the disciple to higher ends of life and down to earth> tendecy and disciple gets blessed too and further more doors are opened for> higher learning otherwise apne aap vidya pad k ahankaar yukt ho kar> vidyaarthi bhatakna mein phas jata hain.>> there> is a classic reference from ancient granths and that is the conversation> between rishiudalik and his son shwetketu.in which shwetketu after learning> all the vedas ,and other granths from the age of twelve to twenty four years> return home and very proudly says to

his father on returning that i have> learnt all the vedas and different scriptures and i am fully versed in> them,you ask me anything i will answer and at that very moment his father> said> that have you learnt that education or vidya with which one is able to learn> all the things.nothing is left to be learnt.one becomes to hear the> unhearble also and after knowing which nothing is left to learn .and it is> in scriptures that at that very moment the son realised that what sort of> mistake he has done and at that very moment he bowed in front of his father> and tells him to become his guru and give him the said education.it is worth> reading the conversation between the father and son .>> whenever we will meet i will narrate u the whole in detail and we can> discuss openly.its a long conversation but full of knowledge.there are> always lots and lots of

schools each and every school differs in its> thoughts but their prime moto is to help the humanity instead of only self> .but that is the best in which one helps humanity also and on the same hand> leads himself also to higher spiritual plane .>> Regards> MS KONDAL>>>>> ________________________________> kulbir bance <kulbirbance> > Wednesday, July 1, 2009 7:02:04 PM> Re: Why study Astrology?>> Respected Kondal Sahib, the first day i went to astrology class the> teacher there gave a lecture. A person went to lord Buddha and> requested that he had some questions

to ask. Lord Buddha said i will> answer all ur questions but before that u will have to live here in> the sangh for one whole year. I will impose no conditions, do whatever> u like but take care not to disturb others. He agreed, lived there,> heard lords discourses.. After one year lord called him and asked. Now> ask whatever questions u have. The person with folded hands said> "saare prashan hi gir gaye ab poochne ko kuch raha hi nahin" so is the> case with lalkitab. All it requires patience and faith, then all> questions drop slowly. What can be more spiritual than this. Regards.> Kulbir.>> On 7/1/09, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal wrote:>>>> dated:1-7-2009>> dear kulbir ji,>>

very well said blessed persons like pundit jee never>> feel any binding in giving or distributing knowledge and they find no>> difference in humanity.>>>> Gurus work is to open the knot rightly and forever.>>>> when ever something good is written or explored in that case it is done>> for>> the whole mankind by the holy persons and such blessed like pundit ji are>> always free of bondages and the clutches of getting fame and praise for>> whatever they have done or are doing ,they are the trend setters .>> already mentioned any dignity or any good soul rather i will say blessed>> soul wont feel any bondages or bindings on giving and sharing whatever he>> or>> she has experienced or learned in his life.>>

no one can impose>> anything on anybody it is everyones free will whether to accept or reject>> the proposal but if there is pure truth in the saying or teaching whatever>> is said no one can deny it because that saying will reflect in one or>> another manner in your life and you have to accept it.>>>> i think all might be thinking that in this topic we till date havent>> discussed anything on remedial measure or astrological part but let me>> tell>> you this topic is really necessary to be discussed prior to all,because>> astrology itself is full of how,what, when,why and many more questions and>> anyone whosoever want to read or study astrology ,for him the foremost>> question

for him would arise that for what he is learning astrology?>>>> is he learning astrology for himself?>> or learning to get rid of self problems.u might have seen>> that most of the people who are astrologers these days ,had gone through>> really tough time in their past and decided to learn it.>> or told to do so because of their family tradition as is>> done in pundits families,family tradition.>> or person really want to serve the humanity selflessly>> like>> pundit jee.>> or to make money as these days lot of people think that>>

astrology is a very good tool for making money.>> in all i would like to say that it depends on>> us that how do we see to get ourself attached with the learning.from that>> very starting point our intentions and further results of outcomings could>> be derived eithr positive or negative outcome.>>>> it is rightly said>>>> " nazraein badli to nazare badal gaye>> kishti badli to kinare badal gaye.">>>> our senior Sh.

Yograjji has written very nicely>> what he has felt and observed by being a witness and has expressed his>> feelings on the ongoing discussion.i am slow in writing.i would preffer to>> have discussion by sitting face to face with each other because there are>> too many things which we can discuss easily and fluently and that too in>> big>> numbers but when it comes to writing person like me fells handicaped.>>>> otherwise i know this topic will make every one to think atleast once that>> what is their soul purpose of learning or study astrology?>>>> Regards,>> MS KONDAL>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________>> kulbir bance <kulbirbance>> >> Wednesday, July 1, 2009 10:44:31 AM>> Re: Why study Astrology?>>>> Guruji, what pt ji has written in lalkitab and what his contemporaries>> say about his life style clearly shows that pt ji was a very broad>> minded person. He has clearly written in SARSARI NOTE what is required>> to understand this book. Some extra tools can make the job easier e.g.>> Pt ji did the calculation part manually but now softwares are used.>> Guru may be helpful in that sense but the guru should not be such as>> he binds the subject. Pt ji was open minded to such an extent that he>> laid great stress on purani rasme, kul purohit etc. He hinself didn't>> wanted to be a guru. He gave whatever he had

without any bondages.>> Reccommending something that might be helpful but Imposing is not>> right. Regards. Kulbir.>>>> On 6/30/09, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote:>>> Dear Kulbir ji>>>>>> First of all, I strongly object to the conspiracy initiated by you and>>> Jitin>>> against me to deprive me of the title "The Dumbest". Mind you, I am the>>> most>>> eligible person for this title in the field of Lal Kitab.>>>>>> Since I have nothing to do with this spirituality thing, I am unable to>>> comment on that. But "je ghoDi chaDhaya nee – taan chaDhdey taan batherey>>> dekhey hi ney. So I would humbly like to convey to my learned colleagues>>>

in>>> the forum that in my view spirituality in not like boasting of "having">>> something special, rather it's a process of becoming the absolute ZERO.>>> I>>> believe that this Zero status can be achieved without possessing anything>>> special, but an open mind. I know many such people who are living in>>> this>>> materialistic world but still possess the high degree of this quality.>>>>>> Now, a few words about Guru. My dear friends, a Guru is not necessarily>>> a>>> human being. An ideology, an idea, a theory, even a good saying can be>>> one's>>> Guru. Moreover in my personal humble opinion, those whom Pundit jee has>>> selected to spread the knowledge of divine Lal Kitab, those who are>>> fortunate enough to touch these sacred scriptures, do

not require any>>> other>>> Guru or Sad-Guru for the matter, or did they?>>>>>> I don't know what the spirituality or Guru means to others. But I expect>>> every true Lal kitab student to be a broad minded like Pundit jee and>>> always>>> ready to share. I hate the tendency of "chunj Dubowan – par lukowan">>> adopted>>> by some of our exalted colleagues. No one should feel himself free of his>>> sacred duties after writing a few mails in the group, it is a perpetual>>> process and everybody has to work hard to complete the task assigned by>>> Pundit jee. So my dear friends, no half measure will do. Further>>> propagation>>> of such fatal tendencies will lead us to nowhere.>>>>>> I read all the beautiful posts, and the following is my

observation:>>>>>> (1). whatever Mr Sumit has written, reflects whatever he has been>>> "Taught".>>> (2). whatever Mr Jitin has expressed, indicates whatever he has>>> "Learned".>>> (3). whatever Mr Kulbir has written, clearly shows whatever he has>>> "Learned>>> and experienced".>>> (4). Whatever Acharya MS Kondal sahib has written is the part and parcel>>> of>>> his "Basic training".>>> (5). and whatever I have expressed in the above lines is, whatever I>>> "felt".>>>>>> I will share those interesting fables on an appropriate time as desired>>> by>>> you.>>>>>>>>> Sincerely>>> Yograj Prabhakar>>>>>>>>> , kulbir bance <kulbirbance>>> wrote:>>>>>>>> Syal ji, i am the dumbest, don't have a Satguru so i know totally>>>> nothing about Sumeet ji's method but it has an appeal moresoever when>>>> Kondal Sahib's endorses. U asked Where to sign for sure shot remedies?>>>> I can only share my practical experience. Remedial portion involves an>>>> extra dimension. Prabhakar ji is a guru. He explained this dimension>>>> by telling a mythological story of Ek Pathi Ek Munda. These fables>>>> might not have actually happenned but the essence is a saar of>>>> observation of thousands of years which the seers observed. I come>>>> from a rural background so i

understood it in punjabi. I don't have>>>> any forbiddance from his side to hide anything that i got from him.>>>> But i would like him to translate it and send it in english also the>>>> story of Buggla phadna and Syani Jethani Kamali Dewarani. Because>>>> translation by 2nd person is not that effective. If he refuses then i>>>> will do so without even asking for his permission. Let me explain the>>>> reason for this also Lord Buddha prophecised that he will be>>>> reincarnated in our/this present time by the name of MAITRAY people>>>> are waiting for him. Some spiritual sects even experimented to bring>>>> his soul in a body. Even a young boy (J Krishnamurthy's elder brother)>>>> died in this process. BUT WHAT LORD BUDDHA MEANT TO CONVEY TO HIS>>>> DISCIPLES WAS THAT GURU

IN THESE TIMES WILL BE A FRIEND this is actual>>>> meaning that he conveyed by MAITRAY. So Prabhakar ji and Senior>>>> members of this and other lalkitab groups are like maitray guru to me.>>>> Prabhakar ji being one of those with whom i quarrell with, abuse him,>>>> yet i recieve his blessings his doors are always open knowing very>>>> well what guru dakshina i have to offer. So i request him to tell>>>> himself these in larger interest. Otherwise i am always at ur service.>>>> Regards . Kulbir.>>>>>>>> On 6/27/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82 wrote:>>>> > Kulbir ji,>>>> > I don't know sumit ji and his caliber and neither do i doubt it. i>>>> > just>>>> > know>>>> > one thing i am probably the dumbest student

in this group and nowhere>>>> > near>>>> > as any one else here.>>>> > but don't you think he needs to know the true meaning of life before>>>> > touching/ "being one" with god?>>>> >>>>> > He is saying that "naam-jaap" is the only true way to success,if>>>> > that's>>>> > the>>>> > case............ where do i sign?>>>> >>>>> > Regards>>>> > Jitin Syal>>>> >>>>> > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>>>>> > wrote:>>>> >>>>>> >> Syal ji, u r right, two concepts should be clear 1. Meaning

of>>>> >> success>>>> >> 2. Explanation about the methodology. Lets hope Sumeet ji explains.>>>> >> His explanation of horoscope matching is simply amazing. It shows>>>> >> that>>>> >> he has a very high calibre. He writes 81 in his id. As per my>>>> >> assumption if that is his birth year then such knowledge at this age>>>> >> is a karishma. He indeed is a blessed soul. Regards. Kulbir.>>>> >>>>>> >> On 6/26/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@> wrote:>>>> >> > Kulbir paaji,>>>> >> > I always feel that we(humans) are here to balance our negative,>>>> >> > positives>>>> >> > from previous births.. if someone doesn't have something in this>>>>

>> > world>>>> >> > he>>>> >> > is>>>> >> > just paying for his sins or vice versa. Even Pt. ji has left the>>>> >> > "greh>>>> >> > phal">>>> >> > planets untouched as somethings can't be changed.>>>> >> >>>>> >> > I totally agree that, any unnecessary intervention with Almighty's>>>> >> > plan>>>> >> > WILL>>>> >> > backfire, hence my point was to ask sumit ji to elaborate their>>>> >> > option/way>>>> >> > one where he has predicted a "sure shot" at success.>>>> >> >>>>> >> > yours sincerely>>>> >> > Jitin Syal>>>> >>

>>>>> >> > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>>>>> >> > wrote:>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >> Syal ji, sumeet ji will answer ur querry. I would like to share a>>>> >> >> fact. After world war the ratio of male child increased>>>> >> >> dramatically>>>> >> >> as compared to female child. 1600 : 1000. Secondly determination>>>> >> >> of>>>> >> >> gender at conception has parameters that are generally beyond>>>> >> >> human>>>> >> >> control. But still nature has maintained the balance that life>>>> >> >>

goes>>>> >> >> on. Imagind a scenario if only male or only female child continued>>>> >> >> say>>>> >> >> for even a century. But it has not happenned. Why? There is a>>>> >> >> divine>>>> >> >> scheme, jyotish is a tool to understand it. This divine scheme and>>>> >> >> individual interests creat a confusion. Upaya may be suggessted>>>> >> >> but>>>> >> >> the upayagar should have knowledge of the divine scheme.>>>> >> >> Unneccessary>>>> >> >> intervention will not yield results in the first place and if does>>>> >> >> somebody is going to pay for it. Written very clearly in lalkitab.>>>> >> >> Guru is a kind of

superimposition on a person's mind to keep him>>>> >> >> ever>>>> >> >> alert. Regards. Kulbir.>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >> On 6/25/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@> wrote:>>>> >> >> > Sumit ji,>>>> >> >> > Are you saying that option one is a gauranteed success/remedial>>>> >> >> > measure>>>> >> >> > without any risk of "backfire" or loss of spirituality??>>>> >> >> > if so, please elaborate further.>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> > Regards>>>> >> >> > Jitin Syal>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> > , "sumitbansal_81">>>> >> >> > <sumitbansal_81@>>>>> >> >> > wrote:>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> Respected All,>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> It is indeed a pleasure in itself to see and read such a>>>> >> >> >> beautiful>>>> >> >> >> topic>>>> >> >> >> related to Astrology which clearly outlines the true nature and>>>> >> >> >> objective>>>> >> >> >> of Astrology. Kondalji has given us a marvelous insight in the>>>> >> >> >> basic>>>> >> >> >>

idea>>>> >> >> >> towards the mere existance of the Jyotish Shastra. It is righly>>>> >> >> >> said>>>> >> >> >> that>>>> >> >> >> Jyotish is the "ISHVARIYA JYOTI" and is a guiding light of each>>>> >> >> >> and>>>> >> >> >> every>>>> >> >> >> human being towards achieving the "Ultimate Goal" - to become>>>> >> >> >> "One">>>> >> >> >> with>>>> >> >> >> the GOD by providing the means to initiate the purification>>>> >> >> >> process>>>> >> >> >> of>>>> >> >> >> "Chitt" and "Mann".>>>> >> >>

>>>>>> >> >> >> However, even when there are millions of human beings taking>>>> >> >> >> birth>>>> >> >> >> on>>>> >> >> >> this>>>> >> >> >> planet earth, not even one percent of them ever think about the>>>> >> >> >> reason>>>> >> >> >> as>>>> >> >> >> why are they born and what is the specific task assigned to>>>> >> >> >> them>>>> >> >> >> by>>>> >> >> >> that>>>> >> >> >> one Supreme God and which is the specific path, he/she has to>>>> >> >> >> tread>>>> >> >> >>

in>>>> >> >> >> order to achieve or fulfill that specific task?>>>> >> >> >> And the saddest part of the story is that by the time one>>>> >> >> >> realizes>>>> >> >> >> the>>>> >> >> >> need and authenticity of these questions, there is not enough>>>> >> >> >> time>>>> >> >> >> left>>>> >> >> >> for him to achieve the set goal. A very famous Bollywood Song>>>> >> >> >> has>>>> >> >> >> rightly>>>> >> >> >> described this situaltion in the following lines:>>>> >> >> >> "Ladakpan Khel Mein Khoya,>>>> >>

>> >> Jawaani Neend Bhar Soya,>>>> >> >> >> Burhahpa Dekh Kar Roya,>>>> >> >> >> Yehi Kissa Puraana Hai.">>>> >> >> >> But Jyoish is that devine light which can help an individual by>>>> >> >> >> breaking>>>> >> >> >> the spell of his slumber just as the light of the morning sun>>>> >> >> >> awakes>>>> >> >> >> a>>>> >> >> >> sleeping person.>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> Spiritualism oozes from each and every aspect of Jyotish>>>> >> >> >> Shastra.>>>> >> >> >>

The>>>> >> >> >> only>>>> >> >> >> consideration is the "View Point" or "Nazar" by which anyone>>>> >> >> >> looks>>>> >> >> >> at>>>> >> >> >> it.>>>> >> >> >> To illustrate, I can provide a very simple example of>>>> >> >> >> "Horoscope>>>> >> >> >> Matching".>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> Every human being has some kind of desire(s) present in his>>>> >> >> >> heart>>>> >> >> >> and>>>> >> >> >> these desires then lead to the formation of "Aasha" and>>>> >> >> >>

"Trishna".>>>> >> >> >> This>>>> >> >> >> in>>>> >> >> >> turn leads to the creation of the "Karma" which ultimately>>>> >> >> >> culminate>>>> >> >> >> in>>>> >> >> >> the formation of "Paap" and "Punya". These Paap and Punya are>>>> >> >> >> the>>>> >> >> >> deciding>>>> >> >> >> factors of the type and quality of the next life which this>>>> >> >> >> jeevatma>>>> >> >> >> has>>>> >> >> >> to undergo.>>>> >> >> >> Now the ultimate Goal of any individual is to become one with>>>> >> >>

>> GOD>>>> >> >> >> or>>>> >> >> >> to>>>> >> >> >> attain the state of "Adwait" and this can only be done by the>>>> >> >> >> purification>>>> >> >> >> of "Chitt" and "Mann" which can be attained by the purification>>>> >> >> >> of>>>> >> >> >> "Karma">>>> >> >> >> and this is the exact point where Jyotish comes into play.>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> Anyone can Purify the Karmas in Two Ways, either using both or>>>> >> >> >> any>>>> >> >> >> one>>>> >> >> >> of>>>> >> >> >> the

two. And the two ways are:>>>> >> >> >> 1. Naam Jaap - where the "Naam" is given by a "Sat-Guru">>>> >> >> >> and>>>> >> >> >> the>>>> >> >> >> "Sat-Guru" himself is guiding the person.>>>> >> >> >> 2. Dividing or Cutting his Atma into few smaller pieces and>>>> >> >> >> then>>>> >> >> >> purifying them one by one.>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> "YES, ATMA CAN ALSO BE CUT." and this is the ultimate truth of>>>> >> >> >> the>>>> >> >> >> spirituality which if understood properly, will describe as how>>>> >> >> >>

the>>>> >> >> >> GOD>>>> >> >> >> is>>>> >> >> >> keeping himself alive or "Amar". I cannot describe more here>>>> >> >> >> due>>>> >> >> >> to>>>> >> >> >> "Guru>>>> >> >> >> Agya" but, the only hint I can give is that a "Sperm" or "Beej">>>> >> >> >> created>>>> >> >> >> inside the human body is as much living as we are and we all>>>> >> >> >> are>>>> >> >> >> made>>>> >> >> >> from>>>> >> >> >> this "Sperm" and we all have atma. Female Egg can only provide>>>> >> >> >>

the>>>> >> >> >> breeding ground for this so called "Beej" but, cannot impart>>>> >> >> >> the>>>> >> >> >> "Atma">>>> >> >> >> in>>>> >> >> >> the "Beej". So, where does this "Atma" comes into the "Beej">>>> >> >> >> ????>>>> >> >> >> Yes,>>>> >> >> >> you>>>> >> >> >> guessed it right, it is the "Ansh" of our own "Atma". And in>>>> >> >> >> this>>>> >> >> >> particular sense, each Father is just like "Param-Atma" to his>>>> >> >> >> offspring.>>>> >> >> >> So, it is the atma of the Father which is cut into

pieces>>>> >> >> >> everytime>>>> >> >> >> sperms>>>> >> >> >> leaves his body. "No further explanation on this part can be>>>> >> >> >> given>>>> >> >> >> here>>>> >> >> >> due to the sensitivity of the topic">>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> Now, if you are using the option "One" only then it is "Okay">>>> >> >> >> in>>>> >> >> >> all>>>> >> >> >> sense. However, if you are using the Option "Two" or "Both the>>>> >> >> >> options",>>>> >> >> >> then there is a catch that the "Ansh" or "Beej of your Atma">>>>

>> >> >> might>>>> >> >> >> not>>>> >> >> >> get>>>> >> >> >> a proper breeding ground which might result into creation of>>>> >> >> >> more>>>> >> >> >> desire>>>> >> >> >> in the Beej due to lack of the proper "Nutrients" which a Beej>>>> >> >> >> might>>>> >> >> >> take>>>> >> >> >> from Mother which will again create "Aasha" and "Trishna" and>>>> >> >> >> so>>>> >> >> >> on>>>> >> >> >> to>>>> >> >> >> "Paap" and "Punya". And if this happens, then, the Beej again>>>> >>

>> >> has>>>> >> >> >> to>>>> >> >> >> go>>>> >> >> >> through the complete cycle of "Chauraasi".>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> As explained above, the so called "Nutrients" are nothing but>>>> >> >> >> the>>>> >> >> >> "Guna">>>> >> >> >> of the Mother and the "Actual Requirement of the Beej" is the>>>> >> >> >> "Guna">>>> >> >> >> of>>>> >> >> >> the Father. So, if there is a mismatch between the two, then>>>> >> >> >> the>>>> >> >> >> Option>>>> >> >> >> Two is bound to fail

which will create more distress in the>>>> >> >> >> human>>>> >> >> >> society.>>>> >> >> >> AND TO BE HONEST, OPTION TWO IS THE ONE WHICH IS BEING USED IN>>>> >> >> >> A>>>> >> >> >> VERY>>>> >> >> >> VERY>>>> >> >> >> VERY LARGE PROPORTION WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE ACTUAL TRUTH>>>> >> >> >> BEHIND>>>> >> >> >> THE>>>> >> >> >> USE OF THIS OPTION. AND ONLY JYOTISH IS CAPABLE OF RECTIFYING>>>> >> >> >> THIS>>>> >> >> >> MISTAKE>>>> >> >> >> OF MAN AND SHOWING AS HOW TO BEGET WORTHY CHILDREN BY PROPER>>>>

>> >> >> MATCHING>>>> >> >> >> OF>>>> >> >> >> SOIL AND SEED.>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> This clearly shows the Criticality as why Horoscope Matching is>>>> >> >> >> so>>>> >> >> >> important and the undefiable relationship between Jyotish and>>>> >> >> >> Aadhyatam.>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> In the end I can only say that Option One is the only True>>>> >> >> >> Option>>>> >> >> >> as>>>> >> >> >> Option Two is just like using a shortcut which has the>>>> >> >> >> reputation>>>>

>> >> >> of>>>> >> >> >> "Backfiring Percentage" set at 99.99% as the Jyotish Shastra is>>>> >> >> >> not>>>> >> >> >> being>>>> >> >> >> used as required. No one literally know as how to implement the>>>> >> >> >> jyotish>>>> >> >> >> shastra. All just know one thing and that is how to do the upai>>>> >> >> >> and>>>> >> >> >> that>>>> >> >> >> also incorrect. If you are playing with gun loaded bullets, and>>>> >> >> >> you>>>> >> >> >> don't>>>> >> >> >> know how to use the gun properly, then at least cover

yourself>>>> >> >> >> with>>>> >> >> >> a>>>> >> >> >> bulletproof dress first. Providing or telling Upai of something>>>> >> >> >> so>>>> >> >> >> much>>>> >> >> >> spiritual will only erode you spiritually unless and untill you>>>> >> >> >> have>>>> >> >> >> the>>>> >> >> >> required "Guru Kripa".>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> I tender my apologies for being rude or harsh. My purpose of>>>> >> >> >> writing>>>> >> >> >> this>>>> >> >> >> was not to offend anyone but to provide the exact

scenario as>>>> >> >> >> what>>>> >> >> >> is>>>> >> >> >> being done and what could it lead to. If I have hurt the>>>> >> >> >> feelings>>>> >> >> >> of>>>> >> >> >> anyone, then please ask yourself, "Do you really have the>>>> >> >> >> required>>>> >> >> >> Bullet-Proof Suite?" You will get the answer yourself. The>>>> >> >> >> Supreme>>>> >> >> >> God>>>> >> >> >> speakes from the very inside of your "Chitt" or "Ghat-Mandir".>>>> >> >> >> Listen>>>> >> >> >> to>>>> >> >> >> him and

you will get the answer.....>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> Whatever I have learned from my revered Guruji is as under:>>>> >> >> >> "Guru Kripa Se Hai Mila,>>>> >> >> >> Jiska Naam Sunaam.>>>> >> >> >> Ghat Ghat Mein Bole Jo Sabke,>>>> >> >> >> Hai Woh Atma Ram.">>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> Regards,>>>> >> >> >> Sumit Bansal.>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> , maneshwar singh kondal>>>> >> >> >> <mskondal@>>>>> >> >> >> wrote:>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > date:18-6-2009>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > hello kulbir ji,>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > first of>>>> >> >> >> > all let me thank u for discussing such a vital point

in>>>> >> >> >> > astrology>>>> >> >> >> > or>>>> >> >> >> > everybody life that why and for what we are doing any job as>>>> >> >> >> > quoted>>>> >> >> >> > by>>>> >> >> >> > u that why we are using or doing astrology.this is a very>>>> >> >> >> > crucial>>>> >> >> >> > point>>>> >> >> >> > and i will try to contribute from myside what ever i know>>>> >> >> >> > openly>>>> >> >> >> > and>>>> >> >> >> > would like everybody to share their views on this topic>>>> >> >> >> >

because>>>> >> >> >> > this>>>> >> >> >> > is>>>> >> >> >> > directly related to our spiritual enlightenment and getting>>>> >> >> >> > in>>>> >> >> >> > touch>>>> >> >> >> > with god.this topic is never ending and i request all members>>>> >> >> >> > to>>>> >> >> >> > keep>>>> >> >> >> > on writing their true experiences and findings regarding>>>> >> >> >> > spiritual>>>> >> >> >> > and>>>> >> >> >> > worldly astrology and try to differentiate between the two.>>>> >> >> >>

>>>>> >> >> >> > as kulbir ji has quoted from osho's book the words>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > jyotish>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > sampooranta>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > ekta>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > advait>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > all these words are self explanatry>>>> >> >> >> > but if we

start explaining them then we will become short of>>>> >> >> >> > words>>>> >> >> >> > but>>>> >> >> >> > i would say that if we compile all these in one word we can>>>> >> >> >> > say>>>> >> >> >> > these>>>> >> >> >> > are the qualities of one and only one supreme and that is the>>>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE>>>> >> >> >> > GOD.>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > ACTUALLY WE ARE THE JEEVATMAS AND>>>> >> >> >> > ARE PART OF THE SUPREME LORD AND DUE TO VARIOUS JANAMAS AND>>>> >> >> >> > BIRTHS>>>> >>

>> >> > LOT>>>> >> >> >> > OF MISCONCEPTIONS HAVE BEEN ENGRAVED IN OUR MINDS AND BECAUSE>>>> >> >> >> > OF>>>> >> >> >> > OUR>>>> >> >> >> > SANCHIT KARMAS AND DUE TO PRARABDH WE ARE GETTING BIRTHS>>>> >> >> >> > AGAIN>>>> >> >> >> > AND>>>> >> >> >> > AGAIN AND GETTING DETACHED FROM THE SUPREME DAY BY DAY TO>>>> >> >> >> > FULFIL>>>> >> >> >> > OUR>>>> >> >> >> > WORLDLY DEEDS,WHICH ULTIMATELY LAND US NOWHERE ELSE THAN>>>> >> >> >> > REBIRTH>>>> >> >> >> > TO>>>> >> >>

>> > FULFIL OUR DESIRES AND WE GET USED TO THE RE BIRTH CYCLE AND>>>> >> >> >> > CARRY>>>> >> >> >> > ON>>>> >> >> >> > AND FORGET OUR TRUE HOME THAT IS NONE OTHER THAN THE SUPREME>>>> >> >> >> > FATHER>>>> >> >> >> > GOD.BUT>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > REMEBER ONE THING>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > HE WHO GIVES ,GIVES,GIVES,GIVES.......... AND FORGIVES IS>>>> >> >> >> > GOD>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > AND>>>> >>

>> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > WHO GETS, GETS, GETS, GETS............. AND FORGETS>>>> >> >> >> > IS>>>> >> >> >> > HUMAN>>>> >> >> >> > BEING>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > THIS IS THE NATURE OF GOD>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > BUT THEN ALSO BECAUSE OF HIS>>>> >> >> >> > FORGIVING NATURE BY DEFAULT THE SUPREME HAS PROGRAMMED EACH>>>> >> >> >> > AND>>>> >> >> >> > EVERY>>>> >> >> >> > HUMAN MIND TO THINK OF ITSELF FOR THE ACTUAL TRUTH THAT

WHY>>>> >> >> >> > HE>>>> >> >> >> > IS>>>> >> >> >> > ON>>>> >> >> >> > THIS EARTH?WHY HE IS BORN,WHAT HE HAS TO DO,IS HE HERE FOR>>>> >> >> >> > MAKING>>>> >> >> >> > MONEY>>>> >> >> >> > OR IS HE HERE TO ENJOY WOMEN OR IS HE HERE TO FOOL OTHERS OR>>>> >> >> >> > IS>>>> >> >> >> > HE>>>> >> >> >> > HERE>>>> >> >> >> > TO MAKE PROPERTY?>>>> >> >> >> > AND MANY MANY OTHER QUESTIONS, EVERY HUMAN THINKS IN HIS MIND>>>> >> >> >> > SOME>>>> >> >> >>

> DAY>>>> >> >> >> > SOME TIME .>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > THOSE R LUCKY WHO THINK AT EARLY>>>> >> >> >> > STAGE OF LIFE AND MANY THINK AT LATER AGE BUT ALL OF THEM TRY>>>> >> >> >> > TO>>>> >> >> >> > UNDERSTAND THE ACTUAL THING AND SOME R ABLE TO GET ANSWERS>>>> >> >> >> > BUT>>>> >> >> >> > THEY>>>> >> >> >> > DONT HAVE THE TIME TO USE IT PRACTICALLY BECAUSE LIFE IS TOO>>>> >> >> >> > SHORT.>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > SO JYOTISH

MEANS ISHVARIYA JYOTI AND EVERYBODY IS>>>> >> >> >> > HAVING>>>> >> >> >> > A>>>> >> >> >> > PART OF IT BUT HOW MANY HAVE REALISED IT?>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > SAMPOORANTA MEANS WHO HAS MASTERD THE ALL>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > EKTA MEANS ONENESS>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > ADWAIT AGAIN THE>>>> >> >> >> > PERSON WHO HAS RAISED ABOVE FROM THE DVAIT BHAV THAT MEANS>>>>

>> >> >> > HE>>>> >> >> >> > HAS>>>> >> >> >> > NO>>>> >> >> >> > DIFFERENCE BETWEEN>>>> >> >> >> > T>>>> >> >> >> > - HE TWO. MEANS JO DO SE EK ROOP>>>> >> >> >> > HO>>>> >> >> >> > JAYE>>>> >> >> >> > .>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > AS I SAID IT IS JUST A START I DONT>>>> >> >> >> > KNOW WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN ,BUT THIS IS THE TOPIC WHICH IS>>>> >> >>

>> > ATTACHED>>>> >> >> >> > WITH>>>> >> >> >> > EVERY BODY LIFE SO KEEP ON DISCUSSING IT .PRADEEP SHARMA JI>>>> >> >> >> > WAS>>>> >> >> >> > TELLING>>>> >> >> >> > ME MOST OF THE TIMES THAT I SHOULD START SUCH A TOPIC BUT I>>>> >> >> >> > WAS>>>> >> >> >> > WAITING>>>> >> >> >> > REALLY FOR THE DAY, THAT THERE WILL BE A DAY WHEN SOME ONE>>>> >> >> >> > WILL>>>> >> >> >> > COME>>>> >> >> >> > OUT OF SO MANY LEARNED PEOPLE AND WILL ASK FOR THE TRUE>>>> >> >> >> > MEANING>>>> >> >>

>> > OF>>>> >> >> >> > ASTROLOGY.YET I HAVE NOT WRITTEN MUCH BUT I WILL LOVE TO>>>> >> >> >> > WRITE>>>> >> >> >> > MORE>>>> >> >> >> > BECAUSE THIS IS THE QUESTION RELATED TO OUR TRUE SELF AND IT>>>> >> >> >> > IS>>>> >> >> >> > MY>>>> >> >> >> > FOREMOST DUTY TO ANSWER AND WILL TRY TO TELL WHAT I>>>> >> >> >> > EXPERIENCED>>>> >> >> >> > AND>>>> >> >> >> > WILL LEARN FROM ALL MY SENIORS AND COLLEAGUES WHO R REALLY>>>> >> >> >> > DESPERATELY>>>> >> >> >> > AND SINCERELY FINDING LOTS AND LOTS OF THINGS

BY MEANS OF>>>> >> >> >> > ASTROLOGY>>>> >> >> >> > TO>>>> >> >> >> > GIVE BENEFITS TO THE SOCIETY>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > THERE IS A GURUBANI QUOTE BHAYI PRAPAT MANUKH DEOHRIA>>>> >> >> >> > GOBIND>>>> >> >> >> > MILAN KI EHO TERI BARIYA>>>> >> >> >> > AVAR>>>> >> >> >> > KAAJ>>>> >> >> >> >

TERE>>>> >> >> >> > KITE NAA KAAM MIL SAADH SANGAT BHAJ KEVAL NAAM>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > MEANS: FOR WHAT U HAVE GOT>>>> >> >> >> > BIRTH>>>> >> >> >> > ON>>>> >> >> >> > THIS UNIVERSE? U HAVE GOT THIS HUMAN BODY TO MEET THE SUPREME>>>> >> >> >> > THE>>>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE AND THAT TOO U CAN DO WITHIN THIS HUMAN BIRTH>>>> >> >> >> > ONLY,YOUR>>>> >> >> >> > ALL>>>> >> >> >> >

OTHER DEEDS WONT GIVE U ANYTHING AT ALL,ONLY AND ONLY>>>> >> >> >> > RECITATION>>>> >> >> >> > OF>>>> >> >> >> > THE>>>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE AND GETTING UNITED WITH IT IS YOUR GOAL.>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > in the last i would say, by the help>>>> >> >> >> > of astrology everybody should try to find the sins or the>>>> >> >> >> > sanchit>>>> >> >> >> > karmas by means of planets and try to get rid of their>>>> >> >> >> > influences>>>> >> >> >> >

by>>>> >> >> >> > jap daan homas and sewa and many other means but should do>>>> >> >> >> > these>>>> >> >> >> > things>>>> >> >> >> > sincerely and with a fear in mind that i have to get out of>>>> >> >> >> > this>>>> >> >> >> > cycle>>>> >> >> >> > or any bad habit which i am having because of the planets bad>>>> >> >> >> > influence, because of sanchit karmas.so we r here to get>>>> >> >> >> > lessons>>>> >> >> >> > from>>>> >> >> >> > our previous births and lead a new life in this birth with>>>> >> >> >> >

the>>>> >> >> >> > help>>>> >> >> >> > of>>>> >> >> >> > astrology by trying to rectifying our bad vices and lusts for>>>> >> >> >> > life>>>> >> >> >> > and>>>> >> >> >> > try to become detached from worldly deeds.sorry everybody if>>>> >> >> >> > i>>>> >> >> >> > had>>>> >> >> >> > written anything wrong and ever hurt any body sentiments..>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > Regards>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > MS

KONDAL>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > ________________________________>>>> >> >> >> > kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >> > Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:53:08 AM>>>> >> >> >> > Re: Ashok ji; why study astrology?>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >>

>> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > Respected Ashok ji; since the day u asked " why am i>>>> >> >> >> > interested>>>> >> >> >> > in>>>> >> >> >> > study of astrology" i was looking for an answer. I read>>>> >> >> >> > Osho's>>>> >> >> >> > article>>>> >> >> >> > on astrology he writes " JYOTISH SAMPOORANTA, EAKTA AUR>>>> >> >> >> > ADVAIT>>>> >> >> >> > KA>>>> >> >> >> > VIGYAN HAI". Regards. Kulbir.>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ > wrote:>>>>

>> >> >> > > Kulbir Ji,>>>> >> >> >> > > Thanks a lots.>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > > Best of regards>>>> >> >> >> > > Ashok Singh>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>>>>> >> >> >> > > wrote:>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > > kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>>>>> >> >> >> > > Re: Health, Sucess/Failure (HOW>>>> >> >> >> > >

MUCH>>>> >> >> >> > > ??>>>> >> >> >> > > )>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>> >> >> >> > > Monday, June 15, 2009, 11:36 AM>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > > Ashok ji, page 155-157 of 1952 part 3 uploaded by Nirmal ji>>>> >> >> >> > > ....>>>>

>> >> >> > > SEHAT, BIMARI, NAFA, NUKSAAN, FATEH, SHIKASAT (these words>>>> >> >> >> > > include>>>> >> >> >> > > all>>>> >> >> >> > > of ur querries) har do pehlu ke liye yahi asool honge. This>>>> >> >> >> > > line>>>> >> >> >> > > is>>>> >> >> >> > > 2nd line under subhead BIMAARI on page 155 as ref. above.>>>> >> >> >> > > But>>>> >> >> >> > > my>>>> >> >> >> > > friend this is not all inclusive. e.g. Bimari of aathraa is>>>> >> >> >> > > explained>>>> >> >> >> > > in farmaan no. 161 1939

volume. Go in for short cuts only>>>> >> >> >> > > in>>>> >> >> >> > > desperate>>>> >> >> >> > > situation. For study and research follow guidelines given>>>> >> >> >> > > by>>>> >> >> >> > > pt.>>>> >> >> >> > > Ji>>>> >> >> >> > > in>>>> >> >> >> > > SARSARI NOTE Regards. Kulbir.>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ > wrote:>>>> >> >> >> > >> Kulbir Ji,>>>> >> >> >> > >> Thanks for the reply. If you can write me where in

lal>>>> >> >> >> > >> kitab>>>> >> >> >> > >> written>>>> >> >> >> > >> how>>>> >> >> >> > >> to>>>> >> >> >> > >> evaluate>>>> >> >> >> > >> the native range of success, that would be great.>>>> >> >> >> > >> I am very much interested in the intensity(scale) of>>>> >> >> >> > >> health,>>>> >> >> >> > >> success>>>> >> >> >> > >> or>>>> >> >> >> > >> failure.>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >> Best

regards>>>> >> >> >> > >> Ashok Singh>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >> --- On Fri, 6/12/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>>>>> >> >> >> > >> wrote:>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >> kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>>>>> >> >> >> > >> Re: Health, Sucess/Failure (HOW>>>> >> >> >> > >> MUCH>>>> >> >> >> > >> ?? )>>>> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> Friday, June 12, 2009, 12:03 PM>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >> Ashok ji, what u are saying is represented loosely by the>>>> >> >> >> > >> term>>>> >> >> >> > >> oxymoron. Secondly health and success may be related>>>> >> >> >> > >> somehow.>>>> >> >> >> > >>

But>>>> >> >> >> > >> illness is no deterent to success. Then success in which>>>> >> >> >> > >> field?>>>> >> >> >> > >> It>>>> >> >> >> > >> has>>>> >> >> >> > >> to be specific. Lastly the dictum that all houses and>>>> >> >> >> > >> planets>>>> >> >> >> > >> have>>>> >> >> >> > >> to>>>> >> >> >> > >> be considered before reaching a conclusion. This type of>>>> >> >> >> > >> isolated>>>> >> >> >> > >> study is against the basic rules of lalkitab. Regards.>>>> >>

>> >> > >> Kulbir.>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >> On 6/12/09, y2k_aksingh <y2k_aksingh@ > wrote:>>>> >> >> >> > >>> Dear Members,>>>> >> >> >> > >>> In a horoscope priciple to see health,sucess/ failure is>>>> >> >> >> > >>> the>>>> >> >> >> > >>> same.>>>> >> >> >> > >>> Can we find range of sucess as in Lal kitab written HNo.>>>> >> >> >> > >>> 10>>>> >> >> >> > >>> shows>>>> >> >> >> > >>> the intensity of illiness does it applicable for sucess>>>>

>> >> >> > >>> also.>>>> >> >> >> > >>> It would be really appreciated.>>>> >> >> >> > >>> My real goal is to find HOW MUCH i.e. what would be the>>>> >> >> >> > >>> range>>>> >> >> >> > >>> of>>>> >> >> >> > >>> sucess.>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>>> >> >> >> > >>> Thanks>>>> >> >> >> > >>> Ashok>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>>> >> >> >> >

>>>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >> -->>>> >> >> >> > >> Sent from my mobile device>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> >

>>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > > -->>>> >> >> >> > > Sent from my mobile device>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> >

>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > -->>>> >> >> >> > Sent from my mobile device>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >>

>>>>>> >> >> -->>>> >> >> Sent from my mobile device>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>>> >> -->>>> >> Sent from my mobile device>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> -->>>> Sent from my mobile device>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -->> Sent from my mobile device>>>>>> --->>>>

[Guest guest]

Respected Finn Sahib,

 

I totally agree with your views that the revered Lal Kitab is the most secular

scripture of Indian astrology. For me, this is the book of " Model code of

conduct " for the humankind. I have no objection if someone advised to read it

like a spiritual book - because everybody is free to follow his/her own ideology

in a democratic society. But I would like to remind our respected members that

it advised to read this divine book again and again like a " Novel " only and not

like anything else. Had it been anything else, the mention of Atheists or

non-believers would have been missing. I don't know about the others, but I

cannot even think of defying the divine instructions of Pundit ji.

 

Respectfully

Yograj Prabhakar

 

 

, " Finn Wandahl " <finn.wandahl wrote:

>

> Dear members,

>

> I like to say that I find this present discussion a little disturbing

> and also somewhat out of context.

>

> In one of the messages somebody said: " P.......... told me that read

> lalkitab as a spiritual book " .

>

> About LK-Astrology it is clearly stated in the introduction-part of

> LK-1952, I quote: " It comprises of all worldly considerations without

> any claim to divinity " .

>

> This means Lal Kitab is not about spiritual or religious matters, and

> therefore it should not be read as such.

>

> Lal Kitab also appears to be a secular text, capable of being studied by

> people belonging to any religion, muslims, budhists, sikhs, hindus,

> christians, jains, jews or those who belong to no religion at all

> (ateists). This means even a sinner like my own good self, belonging to

> the christian faith, protestant church, can study it with good results

> like everybody else.

>

> Lal Kitab is a Jyotish Granth, meaning it is about the Shastra of

> astrology, and it is designed to teach astrology to its readers. Each

> and every page is pregnant with astrological information, but not

> spiritual or religious information.

>

> Dear Sirs, we are supposed to read out of the text, not into the text.

>

> Best wishes,

> Finn Wandahl

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Mr. Finn; the study of this book or astrology is confined

to 3 principle concerns. 1. Comfortable mundane existence. 2.

Harmonious interpersonal relations 3. Direction for self perfection.

Pt no 3 can have different meanings for different persons. Sir, this

was a tradition with zen masters. After teaching his student the

master send his pupil to other master who didn't approve of his

methods so that the pupil could decide the best for himself. Sir, this

somebody has ample time for study and is no hurry to become a

professional astrologer. U don't approve of this topic then please

attend to pending discussions like the faisla kundali of 1942 page 381

so many topics are pending in the groups. U can contribute there. Why

did this topic disturb rather irritate you. Such sweeping statements

behove of a person who has mastered all aspects of the book. Ur mail

suggests that u think u have done so. But Sir, leave aside this (as ur

words) Mr. P but when a person like Sh. Upadhaya quotes kabir in

lalkitab discussions and kondal sir endorses it what is the harm in

trying. Anyway i am highly obliged by ur concern. Kindly show same

intensified concern to other aspects of pending topics also. Thanx and

Regards. Kulbir.

 

On 7/4/09, Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl wrote:

> Dear members,

>

> I like to say that I find this present discussion a little disturbing

> and also somewhat out of context.

>

> In one of the messages somebody said: " P.......... told me that read

> lalkitab as a spiritual book " .

>

> About LK-Astrology it is clearly stated in the introduction-part of

> LK-1952, I quote: " It comprises of all worldly considerations without

> any claim to divinity " .

>

> This means Lal Kitab is not about spiritual or religious matters, and

> therefore it should not be read as such.

>

> Lal Kitab also appears to be a secular text, capable of being studied by

> people belonging to any religion, muslims, budhists, sikhs, hindus,

> christians, jains, jews or those who belong to no religion at all

> (ateists). This means even a sinner like my own good self, belonging to

> the christian faith, protestant church, can study it with good results

> like everybody else.

>

> Lal Kitab is a Jyotish Granth, meaning it is about the Shastra of

> astrology, and it is designed to teach astrology to its readers. Each

> and every page is pregnant with astrological information, but not

> spiritual or religious information.

>

> Dear Sirs, we are supposed to read out of the text, not into the text.

>

> Best wishes,

> Finn Wandahl

>

>

>

 

--

Sent from my mobile device

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Kulbir,>>...the study of this book or astrology is confined to 3 principle concerns. 1. Comfortable mundane existence. 2. Harmonious interpersonal relations 3. Direction for self perfection...<<Sure, this is no doubt one way to see it. However, there are also some important astrological and predictive aspects of Lal Kitab astrology, highly useful for verification of the horoscopes of the clients and for giving them good, sound predictions and advices as well.>>...U don't approve of this topic then please attend to pending discussions like the faisla kundali of 1942 page 381 so many topics are pending in the groups. U can contribute there...<<Please, my good Sir, you can rest ussured that I am sufficiently competent to decide myself where to contribute and where not to contribute. But thank you anyway ;-)>>...Why did this topic disturb rather irritate you...?<< I generally find it disturbing when good astrological discussion is being turned into religious/spiritual discussion. It is like deviating from the original topic of the discussion and therefore it becomes - as you say - kind of irritating. Basically I think Yograj is right when saying that people can read Lal Kitab anyway they like as their democratic right. This is no doubt very true.However, when it is being suggested publicly that Lal Kitab should be read spiritually, then I think it is only fair to object. After all, the Lal Kitab is not a religious or spiritual text, but an astrological text, and it should be read as such.The statement that Lal Kitab should be read spiritually might, when said in public, mislead some of the new or less advanced students of Lal Kitab. I can say for sure that a statement like this would have have been a problem for my own good self at an earlier stage. >>...Such sweeping statements behove of a person who has mastered all aspects of the book. Ur mail suggests that u think u have done so...<<Actually, I feel somewhat misunderstood by this statement. The truth is that I consider my knowledge of Lal Kitab to be rather limited for obvious reasons. However, I am in a learning process and hopefully I will be able to continue to develop my skills and further compensate my deficiencies also in the future. I was however able to observe the discussion going astray and to see the need for some kind of sweeping statements, as you so kindly call it.Best wishes,Finn Wandahl , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:>> Respected Mr. Finn; the study of this book or astrology is confined> to 3 principle concerns. 1. Comfortable mundane existence. 2.> Harmonious interpersonal relations 3. Direction for self perfection.> Pt no 3 can have different meanings for different persons. Sir, this> was a tradition with zen masters. After teaching his student the> master send his pupil to other master who didn't approve of his> methods so that the pupil could decide the best for himself. Sir, this> somebody has ample time for study and is no hurry to become a> professional astrologer. U don't approve of this topic then please> attend to pending discussions like the faisla kundali of 1942 page 381> so many topics are pending in the groups. U can contribute there. Why> did this topic disturb rather irritate you. Such sweeping statements> behove of a person who has mastered all aspects of the book. Ur mail> suggests that u think u have done so. But Sir, leave aside this (as ur> words) Mr. P but when a person like Sh. Upadhaya quotes kabir in> lalkitab discussions and kondal sir endorses it what is the harm in> trying. Anyway i am highly obliged by ur concern. Kindly show same> intensified concern to other aspects of pending topics also. Thanx and> Regards. Kulbir.> > On 7/4/09, Finn Wandahl finn.wandahl wrote:> > Dear members,> >> > I like to say that I find this present discussion a little disturbing> > and also somewhat out of context.> >> > In one of the messages somebody said: "P.......... told me that read> > lalkitab as a spiritual book".> >> > About LK-Astrology it is clearly stated in the introduction-part of> > LK-1952, I quote: "It comprises of all worldly considerations without> > any claim to divinity".> >> > This means Lal Kitab is not about spiritual or religious matters, and> > therefore it should not be read as such.> >> > Lal Kitab also appears to be a secular text, capable of being studied by> > people belonging to any religion, muslims, budhists, sikhs, hindus,> > christians, jains, jews or those who belong to no religion at all> > (ateists). This means even a sinner like my own good self, belonging to> > the christian faith, protestant church, can study it with good results> > like everybody else.> >> > Lal Kitab is a Jyotish Granth, meaning it is about the Shastra of> > astrology, and it is designed to teach astrology to its readers. Each> > and every page is pregnant with astrological information, but not> > spiritual or religious information.> >> > Dear Sirs, we are supposed to read out of the text, not into the text.> >> > Best wishes,> > Finn Wandahl> >> >> >> > -- > Sent from my mobile device>

[Guest guest]

Mr. Finn, i beg pardon for disturbing/irritating u and other members

by diverting good astrological discussion. Kindly carry on with ur

good job. Wish u all the best. Regards. Kulbir.

 

On 7/5/09, Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl wrote:

> Dear Mr. Kulbir,

>

>>>...the study of this book or astrology is confined to 3 principle

> concerns. 1. Comfortable mundane existence. 2. Harmonious interpersonal

> relations 3. Direction for self perfection...<<

>

> Sure, this is no doubt one way to see it. However, there are also some

> important astrological and predictive aspects of Lal Kitab astrology,

> highly useful for verification of the horoscopes of the clients and for

> giving them good, sound predictions and advices as well.

>

>

>>>...U don't approve of this topic then please attend to pending

> discussions like the faisla kundali of 1942 page 381 so many topics are

> pending in the groups. U can contribute there...<<

>

> Please, my good Sir, you can rest ussured that I am sufficiently

> competent to decide myself where to contribute and where not to

> contribute. But thank you anyway ;-)

>

>

>>>...Why did this topic disturb rather irritate you...?<<

>

> I generally find it disturbing when good astrological discussion is

> being turned into religious/spiritual discussion. It is like deviating

> from the original topic of the discussion and therefore it becomes - as

> you say - kind of irritating.

>

> Basically I think Yograj is right when saying that people can read Lal

> Kitab anyway they like as their democratic right. This is no doubt very

> true.

>

> However, when it is being suggested publicly that Lal Kitab should be

> read spiritually, then I think it is only fair to object. After all, the

> Lal Kitab is not a religious or spiritual text, but an astrological

> text, and it should be read as such.

>

> The statement that Lal Kitab should be read spiritually might, when said

> in public, mislead some of the new or less advanced students of Lal

> Kitab. I can say for sure that a statement like this would have have

> been a problem for my own good self at an earlier stage.

>

>

>>>...Such sweeping statements behove of a person who has mastered all

> aspects of the book. Ur mail suggests that u think u have done so...<<

>

> Actually, I feel somewhat misunderstood by this statement. The truth

> is that I consider my knowledge of Lal Kitab to be rather limited for

> obvious reasons. However, I am in a learning process and hopefully I

> will be able to continue to develop my skills and further compensate my

> deficiencies also in the future.

>

> I was however able to observe the discussion going astray and to see the

> need for some kind of sweeping statements, as you so kindly call it.

>

> Best wishes,

> Finn Wandahl

>

>

> , kulbir bance <kulbirbance

> wrote:

>>

>> Respected Mr. Finn; the study of this book or astrology is confined

>> to 3 principle concerns. 1. Comfortable mundane existence. 2.

>> Harmonious interpersonal relations 3. Direction for self perfection.

>> Pt no 3 can have different meanings for different persons. Sir, this

>> was a tradition with zen masters. After teaching his student the

>> master send his pupil to other master who didn't approve of his

>> methods so that the pupil could decide the best for himself. Sir, this

>> somebody has ample time for study and is no hurry to become a

>> professional astrologer. U don't approve of this topic then please

>> attend to pending discussions like the faisla kundali of 1942 page 381

>> so many topics are pending in the groups. U can contribute there. Why

>> did this topic disturb rather irritate you. Such sweeping statements

>> behove of a person who has mastered all aspects of the book. Ur mail

>> suggests that u think u have done so. But Sir, leave aside this (as ur

>> words) Mr. P but when a person like Sh. Upadhaya quotes kabir in

>> lalkitab discussions and kondal sir endorses it what is the harm in

>> trying. Anyway i am highly obliged by ur concern. Kindly show same

>> intensified concern to other aspects of pending topics also. Thanx and

>> Regards. Kulbir.

>>

>> On 7/4/09, Finn Wandahl finn.wandahl wrote:

>> > Dear members,

>> >

>> > I like to say that I find this present discussion a little

> disturbing

>> > and also somewhat out of context.

>> >

>> > In one of the messages somebody said: " P.......... told me that read

>> > lalkitab as a spiritual book " .

>> >

>> > About LK-Astrology it is clearly stated in the introduction-part of

>> > LK-1952, I quote: " It comprises of all worldly considerations

> without

>> > any claim to divinity " .

>> >

>> > This means Lal Kitab is not about spiritual or religious matters,

> and

>> > therefore it should not be read as such.

>> >

>> > Lal Kitab also appears to be a secular text, capable of being

> studied by

>> > people belonging to any religion, muslims, budhists, sikhs, hindus,

>> > christians, jains, jews or those who belong to no religion at all

>> > (ateists). This means even a sinner like my own good self, belonging

> to

>> > the christian faith, protestant church, can study it with good

> results

>> > like everybody else.

>> >

>> > Lal Kitab is a Jyotish Granth, meaning it is about the Shastra of

>> > astrology, and it is designed to teach astrology to its readers.

> Each

>> > and every page is pregnant with astrological information, but not

>> > spiritual or religious information.

>> >

>> > Dear Sirs, we are supposed to read out of the text, not into the

> text.

>> >

>> > Best wishes,

>> > Finn Wandahl

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>

>> --

>> Sent from my mobile device

>>

>

>

 

--

Sent from my mobile device

[Guest guest]

Dear friends,

 

I am a silent member of this group.Sometimes I find members under the pretext of being civil are actually using sarcastic language to put down others.

 

No astrologer and I do know a few, treats BPHS as a religious scripture and as far as I am concerned BPHS is the Bible of Vedic Jyotish.Pandit ji did not write this book as a religious/spirtual scripture.It is a jyotish book like any other astrology book.

 

So friends, let all of us move on and see what we can make of Lal Kitab as what I understand there were no direct students of Pandit Ji.(or if there were,I am not aware of the same) No one has tried to pass on this knowledge to rest of the world after Pandit Ji.

 

In this regard I would like to talk about Mr.Krushna of KAS who is doing his best to pass on the knowledge of Astakvarga of his Guru Late Shri Brij Gopal Shastri to who so ever can rise to the level of understanding his lessons vide very tightly moderated by Mr.Ash because no one is allowed to talk of anything other then Mr.Krushna's system.

 

So I would request the moderator of this group also be more strict in allowing off topic mails.

Of course ,it is ok with me if my this email is not allowed on the group.

 

And of course changing what Mr.Khuswant singh would say,"with malice towards none"

May there be Peace and let it begin with me.

Jagmeet

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Kulbir,

 

Your apology is accepted and thank you for the same. I know it takes a

good man to freely admit his mistakes, and I very much respect that,

dear friend.

 

I very much agree with Mr. Kondal that all this should not be a reason

for you to stop writing. It is true that you are sometimes a bit

irritating, but I can live with that. Especially since you also at other

times inspire good discussion.

 

Best wishes,

Finn Wandahl

 

 

 

, kulbir bance <kulbirbance

wrote:

>

> Mr. Finn, i beg pardon for disturbing/irritating u and other members

> by diverting good astrological discussion. Kindly carry on with ur

> good job. Wish u all the best. Regards. Kulbir.

>

> On 7/5/09, Finn Wandahl finn.wandahl wrote:

> > Dear Mr. Kulbir,

> >

> >>>...the study of this book or astrology is confined to 3 principle

> > concerns. 1. Comfortable mundane existence. 2. Harmonious

interpersonal

> > relations 3. Direction for self perfection...<<

> >

> > Sure, this is no doubt one way to see it. However, there are also

some

> > important astrological and predictive aspects of Lal Kitab

astrology,

> > highly useful for verification of the horoscopes of the clients and

for

> > giving them good, sound predictions and advices as well.

> >

> >

> >>>...U don't approve of this topic then please attend to pending

> > discussions like the faisla kundali of 1942 page 381 so many topics

are

> > pending in the groups. U can contribute there...<<

> >

> > Please, my good Sir, you can rest ussured that I am sufficiently

> > competent to decide myself where to contribute and where not to

> > contribute. But thank you anyway ;-)

> >

> >

> >>>...Why did this topic disturb rather irritate you...?<<

> >

> > I generally find it disturbing when good astrological discussion is

> > being turned into religious/spiritual discussion. It is like

deviating

> > from the original topic of the discussion and therefore it becomes -

as

> > you say - kind of irritating.

> >

> > Basically I think Yograj is right when saying that people can read

Lal

> > Kitab anyway they like as their democratic right. This is no doubt

very

> > true.

> >

> > However, when it is being suggested publicly that Lal Kitab should

be

> > read spiritually, then I think it is only fair to object. After all,

the

> > Lal Kitab is not a religious or spiritual text, but an astrological

> > text, and it should be read as such.

> >

> > The statement that Lal Kitab should be read spiritually might, when

said

> > in public, mislead some of the new or less advanced students of Lal

> > Kitab. I can say for sure that a statement like this would have have

> > been a problem for my own good self at an earlier stage.

> >

> >

> >>>...Such sweeping statements behove of a person who has mastered all

> > aspects of the book. Ur mail suggests that u think u have done

so...<<

> >

> > Actually, I feel somewhat misunderstood by this statement. The

truth

> > is that I consider my knowledge of Lal Kitab to be rather limited

for

> > obvious reasons. However, I am in a learning process and hopefully I

> > will be able to continue to develop my skills and further compensate

my

> > deficiencies also in the future.

> >

> > I was however able to observe the discussion going astray and to see

the

> > need for some kind of sweeping statements, as you so kindly call

it.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Finn Wandahl

> >

> >

> > , kulbir bance kulbirbance@

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Respected Mr. Finn; the study of this book or astrology is

confined

> >> to 3 principle concerns. 1. Comfortable mundane existence. 2.

> >> Harmonious interpersonal relations 3. Direction for self

perfection.

> >> Pt no 3 can have different meanings for different persons. Sir,

this

> >> was a tradition with zen masters. After teaching his student the

> >> master send his pupil to other master who didn't approve of his

> >> methods so that the pupil could decide the best for himself. Sir,

this

> >> somebody has ample time for study and is no hurry to become a

> >> professional astrologer. U don't approve of this topic then please

> >> attend to pending discussions like the faisla kundali of 1942 page

381

> >> so many topics are pending in the groups. U can contribute there.

Why

> >> did this topic disturb rather irritate you. Such sweeping

statements

> >> behove of a person who has mastered all aspects of the book. Ur

mail

> >> suggests that u think u have done so. But Sir, leave aside this (as

ur

> >> words) Mr. P but when a person like Sh. Upadhaya quotes kabir in

> >> lalkitab discussions and kondal sir endorses it what is the harm in

> >> trying. Anyway i am highly obliged by ur concern. Kindly show same

> >> intensified concern to other aspects of pending topics also. Thanx

and

> >> Regards. Kulbir.

> >>

> >> On 7/4/09, Finn Wandahl finn.wandahl@ wrote:

> >> > Dear members,

> >> >

> >> > I like to say that I find this present discussion a little

> > disturbing

> >> > and also somewhat out of context.

> >> >

> >> > In one of the messages somebody said: " P.......... told me that

read

> >> > lalkitab as a spiritual book " .

> >> >

> >> > About LK-Astrology it is clearly stated in the introduction-part

of

> >> > LK-1952, I quote: " It comprises of all worldly considerations

> > without

> >> > any claim to divinity " .

> >> >

> >> > This means Lal Kitab is not about spiritual or religious

matters,

> > and

> >> > therefore it should not be read as such.

> >> >

> >> > Lal Kitab also appears to be a secular text, capable of being

> > studied by

> >> > people belonging to any religion, muslims, budhists, sikhs,

hindus,

> >> > christians, jains, jews or those who belong to no religion at all

> >> > (ateists). This means even a sinner like my own good self,

belonging

> > to

> >> > the christian faith, protestant church, can study it with good

> > results

> >> > like everybody else.

> >> >

> >> > Lal Kitab is a Jyotish Granth, meaning it is about the Shastra

of

> >> > astrology, and it is designed to teach astrology to its readers.

> > Each

> >> > and every page is pregnant with astrological information, but not

> >> > spiritual or religious information.

> >> >

> >> > Dear Sirs, we are supposed to read out of the text, not into the

> > text.

> >> >

> >> > Best wishes,

> >> > Finn Wandahl

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >>

> >> --

> >> Sent from my mobile device

> >>

> >

> >

>

> --

> Sent from my mobile device

>

[Guest guest]

Finn Sir, my apology is strictly restricted to the fact that it

disturbed ur peace. Apart from that, I stand by every word i wrote. To

part ways on a lighter note let me narrate a story. During British

rule a Gora Sahib like urself while riding his thirsty horse came a

jat (peasant) like myself, who was irrigating his fields by a

halat/rahat (a mechanism where bullocks rotate a device that fills

water in a well in buckets and empty outside) the gora sahib ordered

him to provide water to his horse. The peasent readily obliged but the

halat when moves it produces a sound of kat kat due to an instrument

that checks the buckets from falling back. The horse got

disturbed/irritated by this noise and refused to drink. The gora sahib

like urself ordered the peasant to bring out water without this

irritating sound of kat kat. The peasant like myself replied humbly.

Sahib no kat kat no paani (water). So i stop the rahat. Wish u all the

best. Regards Kulbir.

 

On 7/6/09, Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl wrote:

> Dear Mr. Kulbir,

>

> Your apology is accepted and thank you for the same. I know it takes a

> good man to freely admit his mistakes, and I very much respect that,

> dear friend.

>

> I very much agree with Mr. Kondal that all this should not be a reason

> for you to stop writing. It is true that you are sometimes a bit

> irritating, but I can live with that. Especially since you also at other

> times inspire good discussion.

>

> Best wishes,

> Finn Wandahl

>

>

>

> , kulbir bance <kulbirbance

> wrote:

>>

>> Mr. Finn, i beg pardon for disturbing/irritating u and other members

>> by diverting good astrological discussion. Kindly carry on with ur

>> good job. Wish u all the best. Regards. Kulbir.

>>

>> On 7/5/09, Finn Wandahl finn.wandahl wrote:

>> > Dear Mr. Kulbir,

>> >

>> >>>...the study of this book or astrology is confined to 3 principle

>> > concerns. 1. Comfortable mundane existence. 2. Harmonious

> interpersonal

>> > relations 3. Direction for self perfection...<<

>> >

>> > Sure, this is no doubt one way to see it. However, there are also

> some

>> > important astrological and predictive aspects of Lal Kitab

> astrology,

>> > highly useful for verification of the horoscopes of the clients and

> for

>> > giving them good, sound predictions and advices as well.

>> >

>> >

>> >>>...U don't approve of this topic then please attend to pending

>> > discussions like the faisla kundali of 1942 page 381 so many topics

> are

>> > pending in the groups. U can contribute there...<<

>> >

>> > Please, my good Sir, you can rest ussured that I am sufficiently

>> > competent to decide myself where to contribute and where not to

>> > contribute. But thank you anyway ;-)

>> >

>> >

>> >>>...Why did this topic disturb rather irritate you...?<<

>> >

>> > I generally find it disturbing when good astrological discussion is

>> > being turned into religious/spiritual discussion. It is like

> deviating

>> > from the original topic of the discussion and therefore it becomes -

> as

>> > you say - kind of irritating.

>> >

>> > Basically I think Yograj is right when saying that people can read

> Lal

>> > Kitab anyway they like as their democratic right. This is no doubt

> very

>> > true.

>> >

>> > However, when it is being suggested publicly that Lal Kitab should

> be

>> > read spiritually, then I think it is only fair to object. After all,

> the

>> > Lal Kitab is not a religious or spiritual text, but an astrological

>> > text, and it should be read as such.

>> >

>> > The statement that Lal Kitab should be read spiritually might, when

> said

>> > in public, mislead some of the new or less advanced students of Lal

>> > Kitab. I can say for sure that a statement like this would have have

>> > been a problem for my own good self at an earlier stage.

>> >

>> >

>> >>>...Such sweeping statements behove of a person who has mastered all

>> > aspects of the book. Ur mail suggests that u think u have done

> so...<<

>> >

>> > Actually, I feel somewhat misunderstood by this statement. The

> truth

>> > is that I consider my knowledge of Lal Kitab to be rather limited

> for

>> > obvious reasons. However, I am in a learning process and hopefully I

>> > will be able to continue to develop my skills and further compensate

> my

>> > deficiencies also in the future.

>> >

>> > I was however able to observe the discussion going astray and to see

> the

>> > need for some kind of sweeping statements, as you so kindly call

> it.

>> >

>> > Best wishes,

>> > Finn Wandahl

>> >

>> >

>> > , kulbir bance kulbirbance@

>> > wrote:

>> >>

>> >> Respected Mr. Finn; the study of this book or astrology is

> confined

>> >> to 3 principle concerns. 1. Comfortable mundane existence. 2.

>> >> Harmonious interpersonal relations 3. Direction for self

> perfection.

>> >> Pt no 3 can have different meanings for different persons. Sir,

> this

>> >> was a tradition with zen masters. After teaching his student the

>> >> master send his pupil to other master who didn't approve of his

>> >> methods so that the pupil could decide the best for himself. Sir,

> this

>> >> somebody has ample time for study and is no hurry to become a

>> >> professional astrologer. U don't approve of this topic then please

>> >> attend to pending discussions like the faisla kundali of 1942 page

> 381

>> >> so many topics are pending in the groups. U can contribute there.

> Why

>> >> did this topic disturb rather irritate you. Such sweeping

> statements

>> >> behove of a person who has mastered all aspects of the book. Ur

> mail

>> >> suggests that u think u have done so. But Sir, leave aside this (as

> ur

>> >> words) Mr. P but when a person like Sh. Upadhaya quotes kabir in

>> >> lalkitab discussions and kondal sir endorses it what is the harm in

>> >> trying. Anyway i am highly obliged by ur concern. Kindly show same

>> >> intensified concern to other aspects of pending topics also. Thanx

> and

>> >> Regards. Kulbir.

>> >>

>> >> On 7/4/09, Finn Wandahl finn.wandahl@ wrote:

>> >> > Dear members,

>> >> >

>> >> > I like to say that I find this present discussion a little

>> > disturbing

>> >> > and also somewhat out of context.

>> >> >

>> >> > In one of the messages somebody said: " P.......... told me that

> read

>> >> > lalkitab as a spiritual book " .

>> >> >

>> >> > About LK-Astrology it is clearly stated in the introduction-part

> of

>> >> > LK-1952, I quote: " It comprises of all worldly considerations

>> > without

>> >> > any claim to divinity " .

>> >> >

>> >> > This means Lal Kitab is not about spiritual or religious

> matters,

>> > and

>> >> > therefore it should not be read as such.

>> >> >

>> >> > Lal Kitab also appears to be a secular text, capable of being

>> > studied by

>> >> > people belonging to any religion, muslims, budhists, sikhs,

> hindus,

>> >> > christians, jains, jews or those who belong to no religion at all

>> >> > (ateists). This means even a sinner like my own good self,

> belonging

>> > to

>> >> > the christian faith, protestant church, can study it with good

>> > results

>> >> > like everybody else.

>> >> >

>> >> > Lal Kitab is a Jyotish Granth, meaning it is about the Shastra

> of

>> >> > astrology, and it is designed to teach astrology to its readers.

>> > Each

>> >> > and every page is pregnant with astrological information, but not

>> >> > spiritual or religious information.

>> >> >

>> >> > Dear Sirs, we are supposed to read out of the text, not into the

>> > text.

>> >> >

>> >> > Best wishes,

>> >> > Finn Wandahl

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> --

>> >> Sent from my mobile device

>> >>

>> >

>> >

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