Why study Astrology?- Request to Mr. Kulbir

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Dear Kulbir Ji,The request of Sh. Pardeep Kumar Sharma is genuine. almost, in every mail you quote the name of one or another  member of the group in about their views of the subject. Mr.Kondal,Pardeep, Umesh, Yograj etc are the members of this group and they can themselve say what they want to quote. You should give your own views. you should refrain from using others name. This may some times create awkward position for others like Pardeep kumar this time has and also give question mark to the credibility of the person quoting others name.

Your mailsshow the depth of knowledge you have in the subject. Please shower your that knowledge.Please don't mind.YogeshOn Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 7:13 PM, PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA <lalkitab_l wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected kulbir jiThere is a humble request with folded hands.Pl. donot quote my name in any reference in this group.I am  a big zero in this field and try to learn a word or two by reading the mails of this group and Dr. Upadhaya group. I donot know whether i would be able to learn abc in this birth. you  all are requested to keep your blessing on me as before .

kulbir bance <kulbirbance

Sent: Wednesday, 1 July, 2009 11:58:22 PM

Re: Why study Astrology?Respected Kondal Sahib, Pardeep sharma ji told me that read lalkitab

as a spiritual book. Unki agya sar mathe. I have started my studyafresh. I am stuck at pakka ghar khanna no.2 line PHAL 2-11 APNA APNADHARAM MANDIR GURUDWARA MEIN . What is the difference between dharammandir and gurudwara. Regards. Kulbir.

On 7/1/09, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal wrote:> dear kulbir ji,>                        you are true what you have said and i do agree with

> it but again it depends on that how you attain education. any vidya or> education learned by self i mean to say not under the guidence

of guru leads> the disciple to  proudness{ahakar} and education learned under the guidence> of the guru  leads the disciple to higher ends of life and down to earth> tendecy and disciple gets blessed too and further more doors are opened for

> higher learning otherwise apne aap vidya pad k ahankaar yukt ho kar> vidyaarthi bhatakna mein phas jata hain.>>                                                                        there> is a classic reference from ancient granths and that is the conversation

> between rishiudalik and his son shwetketu.in which shwetketu after learning> all the vedas ,and other granths from the age of twelve to twenty four years> return home and very proudly says to

his father on returning that i have> learnt all the vedas and different scriptures and i am fully versed in> them,you ask me anything i will answer and at that very moment his father> said> that have you learnt that education or vidya with which one is able to learn

> all the things.nothing is left to be learnt.one becomes to hear the> unhearble also and after knowing which nothing is left to learn .and it is> in scriptures that at that very moment the son realised that what sort of

> mistake he has done and at that very moment he bowed in front of his father> and tells him to become his guru and give him the said education.it is worth> reading the conversation between the father and son .

>> whenever we will meet i will narrate u the whole in detail and we can> discuss openly.its a long conversation but full of knowledge.there are> always lots and lots of

schools each and every school differs in its> thoughts but their prime moto is to help the humanity instead of only self> .but that is the best in which one helps humanity also and on the same hand> leads himself also to higher spiritual plane .

>> Regards> MS KONDAL>>>>> ________________________________> kulbir bance <kulbirbance

> > Wednesday, July 1, 2009 7:02:04 PM> Re: Why study Astrology?>

> Respected Kondal Sahib, the first day i went to astrology class the> teacher there gave a lecture. A person went to lord Buddha and> requested that he had some questions

to ask. Lord Buddha said i will> answer  all ur questions but before that u will have to live here in> the sangh for one whole year. I will impose no conditions, do whatever> u like but take care not to disturb others. He agreed, lived there,

> heard lords discourses.. After one year lord called him and asked. Now> ask whatever questions u have. The person with folded hands said> " saare prashan hi gir gaye ab poochne ko kuch raha hi nahin " so is the

> case with lalkitab. All it requires patience and faith, then all> questions drop slowly. What can be more spiritual than this. Regards.> Kulbir.>> On 7/1/09, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal wrote:

>>>>            dated:1-7-2009>> dear kulbir ji,>>     

                very well said blessed persons like pundit jee never>> feel any binding in giving or distributing knowledge and they find no>> difference in humanity.>>>> Gurus work is to open the knot rightly and forever.

>>>> when ever something good is written or explored in that case it is done>> for>> the whole mankind by the holy persons and such blessed like pundit ji are>> always free of bondages and the clutches of getting fame and praise for

>> whatever they have done or are doing ,they are the trend setters .>> already mentioned any dignity or any good soul rather i will say blessed>> soul wont feel any bondages or bindings on giving and sharing whatever he

>> or>> she has experienced or learned in his life.>>             

                                          no one can impose>> anything on anybody it is everyones free will whether to accept or reject>> the proposal but if there is pure truth in the saying or teaching whatever

>> is said no one can deny it because that saying will reflect in one or>> another manner in your life and you have to accept it.>>>>  i think all might be thinking that in this topic we  till date havent

>> discussed anything on remedial measure or astrological part but let me>> tell>> you this topic is really necessary to be discussed prior to all,because>> astrology itself is full of how,what, when,why and many more questions and

>> anyone whosoever want to read or study astrology ,for him the foremost>> question

for him would arise that for what he is learning astrology?>>>>                is he learning astrology for himself?>>                  or learning to get rid of self problems.u might have seen

>> that  most of the people who are astrologers these days ,had gone through>> really tough time in their past and decided to learn it.>>                or told to do so because of their family tradition as is

>> done in pundits families,family tradition.>>                  or person really want to serve the humanity selflessly>> like>> pundit jee.>>                  or to make money as these days lot of people think that

>>

astrology is a very good tool for making money.>>                              in all i would like to say that it depends on>> us that how do we see to get  ourself attached with the learning.from that

>> very starting point our intentions and further results of outcomings could>> be derived  eithr positive or negative outcome.>>>> it is rightly said>>>>                                " nazraein badli to nazare badal gaye

>>                                  kishti badli to kinare badal gaye. " >>>>                          our senior Sh.

Yograjji has written very nicely>> what he has felt and observed by being  a witness and has expressed his>> feelings on the ongoing discussion.i am slow in writing.i would preffer to>> have discussion by sitting face to face with each other because there are

>> too many things which we can discuss easily and fluently and that too in>> big>> numbers but when it comes to writing person like me fells handicaped.>>>> otherwise i know this topic will make every one to think atleast once that

>> what is their soul purpose of learning or study astrology?>>>> Regards,>> MS KONDAL>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________>> kulbir bance <kulbirbance

>> >> Wednesday, July 1, 2009 10:44:31 AM>> Re: Why study Astrology?

>>>> Guruji, what pt ji has written in lalkitab and what his contemporaries>> say about his life style clearly shows that pt ji was a very broad>> minded person. He has clearly written in SARSARI NOTE what is required

>> to understand this book. Some extra tools can make the job easier e.g.>> Pt ji did the calculation part manually but now softwares are used.>> Guru may be helpful in that sense but the guru should not be such as

>> he binds the subject. Pt ji was open minded to such an extent that he>> laid great stress on purani rasme, kul purohit etc. He hinself didn't>> wanted to be a guru. He gave whatever he had

without any bondages.>> Reccommending something that might be helpful but Imposing is not>> right.  Regards. Kulbir.>>>> On 6/30/09, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote:

>>> Dear Kulbir ji>>>>>> First of all, I strongly object to the conspiracy initiated by you and>>> Jitin>>> against me to deprive me of the title " The Dumbest " . Mind you, I am the

>>> most>>> eligible person for this title in the field of Lal Kitab.>>>>>> Since I have nothing to do with this spirituality thing, I am unable to>>> comment on that. But " je ghoDi chaDhaya nee – taan chaDhdey taan batherey

>>> dekhey hi ney. So I would humbly like to convey to my learned colleagues>>>

in>>> the forum that in my view spirituality in not like boasting of " having " >>> something special, rather it's a process of becoming the absolute ZERO.>>> I>>> believe that this Zero status can be achieved without possessing anything

>>> special, but an open mind.  I know many such people who are living in>>> this>>> materialistic world but still possess the high degree of this quality.>>>>>> Now, a few words about Guru. My dear friends,  a Guru is not necessarily

>>> a>>> human being. An ideology, an idea, a theory, even a good saying can be>>> one's>>> Guru. Moreover in my personal humble opinion, those whom Pundit jee has>>> selected to spread the knowledge of divine Lal Kitab, those who are

>>> fortunate enough to touch these sacred scriptures, do

not require any>>> other>>> Guru or Sad-Guru for the matter, or did they?>>>>>> I don't know what the spirituality or Guru means to others. But I expect>>> every true Lal kitab student to be a broad minded like Pundit jee and

>>> always>>> ready to share. I hate the tendency of " chunj Dubowan – par lukowan " >>> adopted>>> by some of our exalted colleagues. No one should feel himself free of his

>>> sacred duties after writing a few mails in the group, it is a perpetual>>> process and everybody has to work hard to complete the task assigned by>>> Pundit jee. So my dear friends, no half measure will do. Further

>>> propagation>>> of such fatal tendencies will lead us to nowhere.>>>>>> I read all the beautiful posts, and the following is my

observation:>>>>>> (1). whatever Mr Sumit has written, reflects whatever he has been>>> " Taught " .>>> (2). whatever Mr Jitin has expressed, indicates whatever he has

>>> " Learned " .>>> (3). whatever Mr Kulbir has written, clearly shows whatever he has>>> " Learned>>> and experienced " .>>> (4). Whatever Acharya MS Kondal sahib has written is the part and parcel

>>> of>>> his " Basic training " .>>> (5). and whatever I have expressed in the above lines is, whatever I>>> " felt " .>>>>>> I will share those interesting fables on an appropriate time as desired

>>> by>>> you.>>>>>>>>> Sincerely>>> Yograj Prabhakar>>>>>>>>> , kulbir bance <kulbirbance

>>> wrote:>>>>>>>> Syal ji, i am the dumbest, don't have a Satguru so i know totally>>>> nothing about Sumeet ji's method but it has an appeal moresoever when

>>>> Kondal Sahib's endorses. U asked Where to sign for sure shot remedies?>>>> I can only share my practical experience. Remedial portion involves an>>>> extra dimension. Prabhakar ji is a guru. He explained this dimension

>>>> by telling a mythological story of Ek Pathi Ek Munda. These fables>>>> might not have actually happenned but the essence is a saar of>>>> observation of thousands of years which the seers observed. I come

>>>> from a rural background so i

understood it in punjabi. I don't have>>>> any forbiddance from his side to hide anything that i got from him.>>>> But i would like him to translate it and send it in english also the

>>>> story of Buggla phadna and Syani Jethani Kamali Dewarani. Because>>>> translation by 2nd person is not that effective. If he refuses then i>>>> will do so without even asking for his permission. Let me explain the

>>>> reason for this also Lord Buddha prophecised that he will be>>>> reincarnated in our/this present time by the name of MAITRAY people>>>> are waiting for him. Some spiritual sects even experimented to bring

>>>> his soul in a body. Even a young boy (J Krishnamurthy's elder brother)>>>> died in this process.  BUT WHAT LORD BUDDHA MEANT TO CONVEY TO HIS>>>> DISCIPLES WAS THAT GURU

IN THESE TIMES WILL BE A FRIEND this is actual>>>> meaning that he conveyed by MAITRAY. So Prabhakar ji and Senior>>>> members of this and other lalkitab groups are like maitray guru to me.

>>>> Prabhakar ji being one of those with whom i quarrell with, abuse him,>>>> yet i recieve his blessings his doors are always open knowing very>>>> well what guru dakshina i have to offer. So i request him to tell

>>>> himself these in larger interest. Otherwise i am always at ur service.>>>> Regards . Kulbir.>>>>>>>> On 6/27/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82 wrote:

>>>> > Kulbir ji,>>>> > I don't know sumit ji and his caliber and neither do i doubt it. i>>>> > just>>>> > know>>>> > one thing i am probably the dumbest student

in this group and nowhere>>>> > near>>>> > as any one else here.>>>> > but don't you think he needs to know the true meaning of life before>>>> > touching/ " being one " with god?

>>>> >>>>> > He is saying that " naam-jaap " is the only true way to success,if>>>> > that's>>>> > the>>>> > case............ where do i sign?

>>>> >>>>> > Regards>>>> > Jitin Syal>>>> >>>>> > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>

>>>> > wrote:>>>> >>>>>> >> Syal ji, u r right, two concepts should be clear 1. Meaning

of>>>> >> success>>>> >> 2. Explanation about the methodology. Lets hope Sumeet ji explains.>>>> >> His explanation of horoscope matching is simply amazing. It shows

>>>> >> that>>>> >> he has a very high calibre. He writes 81 in his id. As per my>>>> >> assumption if that is his birth year then such knowledge at this age

>>>> >> is a karishma. He indeed is a blessed soul. Regards. Kulbir.>>>> >>>>>> >> On 6/26/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@> wrote:>>>> >> > Kulbir paaji,

>>>> >> > I always feel that we(humans) are here to balance our negative,>>>> >> > positives>>>> >> > from previous births.. if someone doesn't have something in this

>>>>

>> > world>>>> >> > he>>>> >> > is>>>> >> > just paying for his sins or vice versa. Even Pt. ji has left the>>>> >> > " greh

>>>> >> > phal " >>>> >> > planets untouched as somethings can't be changed.>>>> >> >>>>> >> > I totally agree that, any unnecessary intervention with Almighty's

>>>> >> > plan>>>> >> > WILL>>>> >> > backfire, hence my point was to ask sumit ji to elaborate their>>>> >> > option/way

>>>> >> > one where he has predicted a " sure shot " at success.>>>> >> >>>>> >> > yours sincerely>>>> >> > Jitin Syal

>>>> >>

>>>>> >> > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>>>>> >> > wrote:

>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >> Syal ji, sumeet ji will answer ur querry. I would like to share a>>>> >> >> fact. After world war the ratio of male child increased

>>>> >> >> dramatically>>>> >> >> as compared to female child. 1600 : 1000. Secondly determination>>>> >> >> of>>>> >> >> gender at conception has parameters that are generally beyond

>>>> >> >> human>>>> >> >> control. But still nature has maintained the balance that life>>>> >> >>

goes>>>> >> >> on. Imagind a scenario if only male or only female child continued>>>> >> >> say>>>> >> >> for even a century. But it has not happenned. Why? There is a

>>>> >> >> divine>>>> >> >> scheme, jyotish is a tool to understand it. This divine scheme and>>>> >> >> individual interests creat a confusion. Upaya may be suggessted

>>>> >> >> but>>>> >> >> the upayagar should have knowledge of the divine scheme.>>>> >> >> Unneccessary>>>> >> >> intervention will not yield results in the first place and if does

>>>> >> >> somebody is going to pay for it. Written very clearly in lalkitab.>>>> >> >> Guru is a kind of

superimposition on a person's mind to keep him>>>> >> >> ever>>>> >> >> alert. Regards. Kulbir.>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >> On 6/25/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@> wrote:

>>>> >> >> > Sumit ji,>>>> >> >> > Are you saying that option one is a gauranteed success/remedial>>>> >> >> > measure>>>> >> >> > without any risk of " backfire " or loss of spirituality??

>>>> >> >> > if so, please elaborate further.>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> > Regards>>>> >> >> > Jitin Syal

>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> > , " sumitbansal_81 " >>>> >> >> > <sumitbansal_81@>

>>>> >> >> > wrote:>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> Respected All,>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> It is indeed a pleasure in itself to see and read such a

>>>> >> >> >> beautiful>>>> >> >> >> topic>>>> >> >> >> related to Astrology which clearly outlines the true nature and

>>>> >> >> >> objective>>>> >> >> >> of Astrology. Kondalji has given us a marvelous insight in the>>>> >> >> >> basic>>>> >> >> >>

idea>>>> >> >> >> towards the mere existance of the Jyotish Shastra. It is righly>>>> >> >> >> said>>>> >> >> >> that

>>>> >> >> >> Jyotish is the " ISHVARIYA JYOTI " and is a guiding light of each>>>> >> >> >> and>>>> >> >> >> every

>>>> >> >> >> human being towards achieving the " Ultimate Goal " - to become>>>> >> >> >> " One " >>>> >> >> >> with

>>>> >> >> >> the GOD by providing the means to initiate the purification>>>> >> >> >> process>>>> >> >> >> of>>>> >> >> >> " Chitt " and " Mann " .

>>>> >> >>

>>>>>> >> >> >> However, even when there are millions of human beings taking>>>> >> >> >> birth>>>> >> >> >> on

>>>> >> >> >> this>>>> >> >> >> planet earth, not even one percent of them ever think about the>>>> >> >> >> reason>>>> >> >> >> as

>>>> >> >> >> why are they born and what is the specific task assigned to>>>> >> >> >> them>>>> >> >> >> by>>>> >> >> >> that

>>>> >> >> >> one Supreme God and which is the specific path, he/she has to>>>> >> >> >> tread>>>> >> >> >>

in>>>> >> >> >> order to achieve or fulfill that specific task?>>>> >> >> >> And the saddest part of the story is that by the time one>>>> >> >> >> realizes

>>>> >> >> >> the>>>> >> >> >> need and authenticity of these questions, there is not enough>>>> >> >> >> time>>>> >> >> >> left

>>>> >> >> >> for him to achieve the set goal. A very famous Bollywood Song>>>> >> >> >> has>>>> >> >> >> rightly>>>> >> >> >> described this situaltion in the following lines:

>>>> >> >> >>        " Ladakpan Khel Mein Khoya,>>>> >>

>> >>        Jawaani Neend Bhar Soya,>>>> >> >> >>        Burhahpa Dekh Kar Roya,>>>> >> >> >>        Yehi Kissa Puraana Hai. " >>>> >> >> >> But Jyoish is that devine light which can help an individual by

>>>> >> >> >> breaking>>>> >> >> >> the spell of his slumber just as the light of the morning sun>>>> >> >> >> awakes>>>> >> >> >> a

>>>> >> >> >> sleeping person.>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> Spiritualism oozes from each and every aspect of Jyotish>>>> >> >> >> Shastra.

>>>> >> >> >>

The>>>> >> >> >> only>>>> >> >> >> consideration is the " View Point " or " Nazar " by which anyone>>>> >> >> >> looks

>>>> >> >> >> at>>>> >> >> >> it.>>>> >> >> >> To illustrate, I can provide a very simple example of>>>> >> >> >> " Horoscope

>>>> >> >> >> Matching " .>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> Every human being has some kind of desire(s) present in his>>>> >> >> >> heart

>>>> >> >> >> and>>>> >> >> >> these desires then lead to the formation of " Aasha " and>>>> >> >> >>

" Trishna " .>>>> >> >> >> This>>>> >> >> >> in>>>> >> >> >> turn leads to the creation of the " Karma " which ultimately

>>>> >> >> >> culminate>>>> >> >> >> in>>>> >> >> >> the formation of " Paap " and " Punya " . These Paap and Punya are

>>>> >> >> >> the>>>> >> >> >> deciding>>>> >> >> >> factors of the type and quality of the next life which this>>>> >> >> >> jeevatma

>>>> >> >> >> has>>>> >> >> >> to undergo.>>>> >> >> >> Now the ultimate Goal of any individual is to become one with>>>> >> >>

>> GOD>>>> >> >> >> or>>>> >> >> >> to>>>> >> >> >> attain the state of " Adwait " and this can only be done by the

>>>> >> >> >> purification>>>> >> >> >> of " Chitt " and " Mann " which can be attained by the purification>>>> >> >> >> of

>>>> >> >> >> " Karma " >>>> >> >> >> and this is the exact point where Jyotish comes into play.>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> Anyone can Purify the Karmas in Two Ways, either using both or

>>>> >> >> >> any>>>> >> >> >> one>>>> >> >> >> of>>>> >> >> >> the

two. And the two ways are:>>>> >> >> >>    1. Naam Jaap - where the " Naam " is given by a " Sat-Guru " >>>> >> >> >> and>>>> >> >> >> the

>>>> >> >> >> " Sat-Guru " himself is guiding the person.>>>> >> >> >>    2. Dividing or Cutting his Atma into few smaller pieces and>>>> >> >> >> then

>>>> >> >> >> purifying them one by one.>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> " YES, ATMA CAN ALSO BE CUT. " and this is the ultimate truth of

>>>> >> >> >> the>>>> >> >> >> spirituality which if understood properly, will describe as how>>>> >> >> >>

the>>>> >> >> >> GOD>>>> >> >> >> is>>>> >> >> >> keeping himself alive or " Amar " . I cannot describe more here

>>>> >> >> >> due>>>> >> >> >> to>>>> >> >> >> " Guru>>>> >> >> >> Agya " but, the only hint I can give is that a " Sperm " or " Beej "

>>>> >> >> >> created>>>> >> >> >> inside the human body is as much living as we are and we all>>>> >> >> >> are>>>> >> >> >> made

>>>> >> >> >> from>>>> >> >> >> this " Sperm " and we all have atma. Female Egg can only provide>>>> >> >> >>

the>>>> >> >> >> breeding ground for this so called " Beej " but, cannot impart>>>> >> >> >> the>>>> >> >> >> " Atma "

>>>> >> >> >> in>>>> >> >> >> the " Beej " . So, where does this " Atma " comes into the " Beej " >>>> >> >> >> ????

>>>> >> >> >> Yes,>>>> >> >> >> you>>>> >> >> >> guessed it right, it is the " Ansh " of our own " Atma " . And in

>>>> >> >> >> this>>>> >> >> >> particular sense, each Father is just like " Param-Atma " to his>>>> >> >> >> offspring.

>>>> >> >> >> So, it is the atma of the Father which is cut into

pieces>>>> >> >> >> everytime>>>> >> >> >> sperms>>>> >> >> >> leaves his body. " No further explanation on this part can be

>>>> >> >> >> given>>>> >> >> >> here>>>> >> >> >> due to the sensitivity of the topic " >>>> >> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >> Now, if you are using the option " One " only then it is " Okay " >>>> >> >> >> in>>>> >> >> >> all

>>>> >> >> >> sense. However, if you are using the Option " Two " or " Both the>>>> >> >> >> options " ,>>>> >> >> >> then there is a catch that the " Ansh " or " Beej of your Atma "

>>>>

>> >> >> might>>>> >> >> >> not>>>> >> >> >> get>>>> >> >> >> a proper breeding ground which might result into creation of

>>>> >> >> >> more>>>> >> >> >> desire>>>> >> >> >> in the Beej due to lack of the proper " Nutrients " which a Beej

>>>> >> >> >> might>>>> >> >> >> take>>>> >> >> >> from Mother which will again create " Aasha " and " Trishna " and

>>>> >> >> >> so>>>> >> >> >> on>>>> >> >> >> to>>>> >> >> >> " Paap " and " Punya " . And if this happens, then, the Beej again

>>>> >>

>> >> has>>>> >> >> >> to>>>> >> >> >> go>>>> >> >> >> through the complete cycle of " Chauraasi " .

>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> As explained above, the so called " Nutrients " are nothing but>>>> >> >> >> the>>>> >> >> >> " Guna "

>>>> >> >> >> of the Mother and the " Actual Requirement of the Beej " is the>>>> >> >> >> " Guna " >>>> >> >> >> of

>>>> >> >> >> the Father. So, if there is a mismatch between the two, then>>>> >> >> >> the>>>> >> >> >> Option>>>> >> >> >> Two is bound to fail

which will create more distress in the>>>> >> >> >> human>>>> >> >> >> society.>>>> >> >> >> AND TO BE HONEST, OPTION TWO IS THE ONE WHICH IS BEING USED IN

>>>> >> >> >> A>>>> >> >> >> VERY>>>> >> >> >> VERY>>>> >> >> >> VERY LARGE PROPORTION WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE ACTUAL TRUTH

>>>> >> >> >> BEHIND>>>> >> >> >> THE>>>> >> >> >> USE OF THIS OPTION. AND ONLY JYOTISH IS CAPABLE OF RECTIFYING>>>> >> >> >> THIS

>>>> >> >> >> MISTAKE>>>> >> >> >> OF MAN AND SHOWING AS HOW TO BEGET WORTHY CHILDREN BY PROPER>>>>

>> >> >> MATCHING>>>> >> >> >> OF>>>> >> >> >> SOIL AND SEED.>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> This clearly shows the Criticality as why Horoscope Matching is

>>>> >> >> >> so>>>> >> >> >> important and the undefiable relationship between Jyotish and>>>> >> >> >> Aadhyatam.>>>> >> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >> In the end I can only say that Option One is the only True>>>> >> >> >> Option>>>> >> >> >> as>>>> >> >> >> Option Two is just like using a shortcut which has the

>>>> >> >> >> reputation>>>>

>> >> >> of>>>> >> >> >> " Backfiring Percentage " set at 99.99% as the Jyotish Shastra is>>>> >> >> >> not>>>> >> >> >> being

>>>> >> >> >> used as required. No one literally know as how to implement the>>>> >> >> >> jyotish>>>> >> >> >> shastra. All just know one thing and that is how to do the upai

>>>> >> >> >> and>>>> >> >> >> that>>>> >> >> >> also incorrect. If you are playing with gun loaded bullets, and>>>> >> >> >> you

>>>> >> >> >> don't>>>> >> >> >> know how to use the gun properly, then at least cover

yourself>>>> >> >> >> with>>>> >> >> >> a>>>> >> >> >> bulletproof dress first. Providing or telling Upai of something

>>>> >> >> >> so>>>> >> >> >> much>>>> >> >> >> spiritual will only erode you spiritually unless and untill you>>>> >> >> >> have

>>>> >> >> >> the>>>> >> >> >> required " Guru Kripa " .>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> I tender my apologies for being rude or harsh. My purpose of

>>>> >> >> >> writing>>>> >> >> >> this>>>> >> >> >> was not to offend anyone but to provide the exact

scenario as>>>> >> >> >> what>>>> >> >> >> is>>>> >> >> >> being done and what could it lead to. If I have hurt the

>>>> >> >> >> feelings>>>> >> >> >> of>>>> >> >> >> anyone, then please ask yourself, " Do you really have the>>>> >> >> >> required

>>>> >> >> >> Bullet-Proof Suite? " You will get the answer yourself. The>>>> >> >> >> Supreme>>>> >> >> >> God>>>> >> >> >> speakes from the very inside of your " Chitt " or " Ghat-Mandir " .

>>>> >> >> >> Listen>>>> >> >> >> to>>>> >> >> >> him and

you will get the answer.....>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> Whatever I have learned from my revered Guruji is as under:>>>> >> >> >>        " Guru Kripa Se Hai Mila,

>>>> >> >> >>        Jiska Naam Sunaam.>>>> >> >> >>        Ghat Ghat Mein Bole Jo Sabke,>>>> >> >> >>        Hai Woh Atma Ram. "

>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> Regards,>>>> >> >> >> Sumit Bansal.>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> , maneshwar singh kondal

>>>> >> >> >> <mskondal@>>>>> >> >> >> wrote:>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >

>>>> >> >> >> >                                  date:18-6-2009>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > hello kulbir ji,

>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >                            first of>>>> >> >> >> > all let me thank u for discussing such a vital point

in>>>> >> >> >> > astrology>>>> >> >> >> > or>>>> >> >> >> > everybody life that why and for what we are doing any job as

>>>> >> >> >> > quoted>>>> >> >> >> > by>>>> >> >> >> > u that why we are using or doing astrology.this is a very

>>>> >> >> >> > crucial>>>> >> >> >> > point>>>> >> >> >> > and i will try to contribute from myside what ever i know

>>>> >> >> >> > openly>>>> >> >> >> > and>>>> >> >> >> > would like everybody to share their views on this topic

>>>> >> >> >> >

because>>>> >> >> >> > this>>>> >> >> >> > is>>>> >> >> >> > directly related to our spiritual enlightenment and getting

>>>> >> >> >> > in>>>> >> >> >> > touch>>>> >> >> >> > with god.this topic is never ending and i request all members

>>>> >> >> >> > to>>>> >> >> >> > keep>>>> >> >> >> > on writing their true experiences and findings regarding

>>>> >> >> >> > spiritual>>>> >> >> >> > and>>>> >> >> >> > worldly astrology and try to differentiate between the two.

>>>> >> >> >>

>>>>> >> >> >> > as kulbir ji has quoted from osho's book the words>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >

>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > jyotish>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > sampooranta

>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > ekta>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > advait

>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > all these words are self explanatry>>>> >> >> >> > but if we

start explaining them then we will become short of>>>> >> >> >> > words>>>> >> >> >> > but>>>> >> >> >> > i would say that if we compile all these in one word we can

>>>> >> >> >> > say>>>> >> >> >> > these>>>> >> >> >> > are the qualities of one and only one supreme and that is the

>>>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE>>>> >> >> >> > GOD.>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > ACTUALLY WE ARE THE JEEVATMAS AND

>>>> >> >> >> > ARE PART OF THE SUPREME LORD AND DUE TO VARIOUS JANAMAS AND>>>> >> >> >> > BIRTHS>>>> >>

>> >> > LOT>>>> >> >> >> > OF MISCONCEPTIONS HAVE BEEN ENGRAVED IN OUR MINDS AND BECAUSE>>>> >> >> >> > OF>>>> >> >> >> > OUR

>>>> >> >> >> > SANCHIT KARMAS AND DUE TO PRARABDH WE ARE GETTING BIRTHS>>>> >> >> >> > AGAIN>>>> >> >> >> > AND

>>>> >> >> >> > AGAIN AND GETTING DETACHED FROM THE SUPREME DAY BY DAY TO>>>> >> >> >> > FULFIL>>>> >> >> >> > OUR

>>>> >> >> >> > WORLDLY DEEDS,WHICH ULTIMATELY LAND US NOWHERE ELSE THAN>>>> >> >> >> > REBIRTH>>>> >> >> >> > TO

>>>> >> >>

>> > FULFIL OUR DESIRES AND WE GET USED TO THE RE BIRTH CYCLE AND>>>> >> >> >> > CARRY>>>> >> >> >> > ON>>>> >> >> >> > AND FORGET OUR TRUE HOME THAT IS NONE OTHER THAN THE SUPREME

>>>> >> >> >> > FATHER>>>> >> >> >> > GOD.BUT>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > REMEBER ONE THING

>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > HE WHO GIVES ,GIVES,GIVES,GIVES.......... AND FORGIVES    IS>>>> >> >> >> > GOD

>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > AND>>>> >>

>> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > WHO GETS, GETS, GETS, GETS............. AND FORGETS>>>> >> >> >> > IS>>>> >> >> >> > HUMAN

>>>> >> >> >> > BEING>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > THIS IS THE NATURE OF GOD

>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > BUT THEN ALSO BECAUSE OF HIS>>>> >> >> >> > FORGIVING NATURE BY DEFAULT  THE SUPREME HAS PROGRAMMED EACH

>>>> >> >> >> > AND>>>> >> >> >> > EVERY>>>> >> >> >> > HUMAN MIND TO THINK OF ITSELF FOR THE ACTUAL TRUTH THAT

WHY>>>> >> >> >> > HE>>>> >> >> >> > IS>>>> >> >> >> > ON>>>> >> >> >> > THIS EARTH?WHY HE IS BORN,WHAT HE HAS TO DO,IS HE HERE FOR

>>>> >> >> >> > MAKING>>>> >> >> >> > MONEY>>>> >> >> >> > OR IS HE HERE TO ENJOY WOMEN OR IS HE HERE TO FOOL OTHERS OR

>>>> >> >> >> > IS>>>> >> >> >> > HE>>>> >> >> >> > HERE>>>> >> >> >> > TO MAKE PROPERTY?

>>>> >> >> >> > AND MANY MANY OTHER QUESTIONS, EVERY HUMAN THINKS IN HIS MIND>>>> >> >> >> > SOME>>>> >> >> >>

> DAY>>>> >> >> >> > SOME TIME .>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > THOSE R LUCKY WHO THINK AT EARLY>>>> >> >> >> > STAGE OF LIFE AND MANY THINK AT LATER AGE BUT ALL OF THEM TRY

>>>> >> >> >> > TO>>>> >> >> >> > UNDERSTAND THE ACTUAL THING AND SOME R  ABLE TO GET ANSWERS>>>> >> >> >> > BUT

>>>> >> >> >> > THEY>>>> >> >> >> > DONT HAVE THE TIME TO USE IT PRACTICALLY BECAUSE LIFE IS TOO>>>> >> >> >> > SHORT.

>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > SO  JYOTISH   

  MEANS    ISHVARIYA JYOTI AND EVERYBODY IS>>>> >> >> >> > HAVING>>>> >> >> >> > A>>>> >> >> >> > PART OF IT BUT HOW MANY HAVE REALISED IT?

>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > SAMPOORANTA    MEANS  WHO HAS MASTERD THE ALL>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > EKTA                      MEANS  ONENESS

>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > ADWAIT                  AGAIN THE>>>> >> >> >> > PERSON WHO HAS RAISED ABOVE FROM THE  DVAIT  BHAV THAT MEANS

>>>>

>> >> >> > HE>>>> >> >> >> > HAS>>>> >> >> >> > NO>>>> >> >> >> > DIFFERENCE BETWEEN

>>>> >> >> >> > T>>>> >> >> >> > -                              HE TWO. MEANS JO DO SE EK ROOP>>>> >> >> >> > HO

>>>> >> >> >> > JAYE>>>> >> >> >> > .>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > AS I SAID IT IS JUST A START I DONT

>>>> >> >> >> > KNOW WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN ,BUT THIS IS THE TOPIC WHICH IS>>>> >> >>

>> > ATTACHED>>>> >> >> >> > WITH>>>> >> >> >> > EVERY BODY LIFE SO KEEP ON DISCUSSING IT .PRADEEP SHARMA JI>>>> >> >> >> > WAS

>>>> >> >> >> > TELLING>>>> >> >> >> > ME MOST OF THE TIMES THAT I SHOULD START SUCH A TOPIC BUT I>>>> >> >> >> > WAS

>>>> >> >> >> > WAITING>>>> >> >> >> > REALLY FOR THE DAY, THAT THERE WILL BE A DAY WHEN SOME ONE>>>> >> >> >> > WILL

>>>> >> >> >> > COME>>>> >> >> >> > OUT OF SO MANY LEARNED PEOPLE AND WILL ASK FOR THE TRUE>>>> >> >> >> > MEANING

>>>> >> >>

>> > OF>>>> >> >> >> > ASTROLOGY.YET I HAVE NOT WRITTEN MUCH BUT I WILL LOVE TO>>>> >> >> >> > WRITE>>>> >> >> >> > MORE

>>>> >> >> >> > BECAUSE THIS IS THE QUESTION RELATED TO OUR TRUE SELF AND IT>>>> >> >> >> > IS>>>> >> >> >> > MY

>>>> >> >> >> > FOREMOST DUTY TO ANSWER AND WILL TRY TO TELL WHAT I>>>> >> >> >> > EXPERIENCED>>>> >> >> >> > AND

>>>> >> >> >> > WILL LEARN FROM ALL MY SENIORS AND COLLEAGUES WHO R REALLY>>>> >> >> >> > DESPERATELY>>>> >> >> >> > AND SINCERELY FINDING LOTS AND LOTS OF THINGS

BY  MEANS OF>>>> >> >> >> > ASTROLOGY>>>> >> >> >> > TO>>>> >> >> >> > GIVE BENEFITS TO THE SOCIETY>>>> >> >> >> >

>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > THERE IS A GURUBANI QUOTE        BHAYI PRAPAT MANUKH DEOHRIA>>>> >> >> >> > GOBIND

>>>> >> >> >> > MILAN KI EHO TERI BARIYA>>>> >> >> >> >                                                          AVAR>>>> >> >> >> > KAAJ

>>>> >> >> >> >

TERE>>>> >> >> >> > KITE NAA KAAM MIL SAADH SANGAT BHAJ KEVAL NAAM>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > MEANS:                                  FOR WHAT U HAVE GOT

>>>> >> >> >> > BIRTH>>>> >> >> >> > ON>>>> >> >> >> > THIS UNIVERSE? U HAVE GOT THIS HUMAN BODY TO MEET THE SUPREME

>>>> >> >> >> > THE>>>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE AND THAT TOO U CAN DO WITHIN THIS HUMAN BIRTH>>>> >> >> >> > ONLY,YOUR

>>>> >> >> >> > ALL>>>> >> >> >> >

OTHER DEEDS WONT GIVE U ANYTHING AT ALL,ONLY AND ONLY>>>> >> >> >> > RECITATION>>>> >> >> >> > OF>>>> >> >> >> > THE

>>>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE AND GETTING UNITED WITH IT IS YOUR GOAL.>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >

>>>> >> >> >> > in the last i would say, by the help>>>> >> >> >> > of astrology everybody should try to find the sins or the>>>> >> >> >> > sanchit

>>>> >> >> >> > karmas by means of planets and try to get rid of their>>>> >> >> >> > influences>>>> >> >> >> >

by>>>> >> >> >> > jap daan homas and sewa and many other means but should do>>>> >> >> >> > these>>>> >> >> >> > things

>>>> >> >> >> > sincerely and with a fear in mind that i have to get out of>>>> >> >> >> > this>>>> >> >> >> > cycle

>>>> >> >> >> > or any bad habit which i am having because of the planets bad>>>> >> >> >> > influence, because of sanchit karmas.so we r here to get

>>>> >> >> >> > lessons>>>> >> >> >> > from>>>> >> >> >> > our previous births and lead a new life in this birth with

>>>> >> >> >> >

the>>>> >> >> >> > help>>>> >> >> >> > of>>>> >> >> >> > astrology by trying to rectifying our bad vices and lusts for

>>>> >> >> >> > life>>>> >> >> >> > and>>>> >> >> >> > try to become detached from worldly deeds.sorry everybody if

>>>> >> >> >> > i>>>> >> >> >> > had>>>> >> >> >> > written anything wrong and ever hurt any body sentiments..

>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > Regards>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > MS

KONDAL>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > ________________________________

>>>> >> >> >> > kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>>>>> >> >> >> >

>>>> >> >> >> > Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:53:08 AM>>>> >> >> >> > Re: Ashok ji; why study astrology?>>>> >> >> >> >

>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >>

>> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > Respected Ashok ji; since the day u asked " why am i>>>> >> >> >> > interested>>>> >> >> >> > in

>>>> >> >> >> > study of astrology " i was looking for an answer. I read>>>> >> >> >> > Osho's>>>> >> >> >> > article

>>>> >> >> >> > on astrology he writes " JYOTISH SAMPOORANTA, EAKTA AUR>>>> >> >> >> > ADVAIT>>>> >> >> >> > KA

>>>> >> >> >> > VIGYAN HAI " . Regards. Kulbir.>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ > wrote:

>>>>

>> >> >> > > Kulbir Ji,>>>> >> >> >> > > Thanks a lots.>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > > Best of regards

>>>> >> >> >> > > Ashok Singh>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>

>>>> >> >> >> > > wrote:>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > > kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>

>>>> >> >> >> > > Re: Health, Sucess/Failure (HOW>>>> >> >> >> > >

MUCH>>>> >> >> >> > > ??>>>> >> >> >> > > )>>>> >> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >> >> > > Monday, June 15, 2009, 11:36 AM>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > > Ashok ji, page 155-157 of 1952 part 3 uploaded by Nirmal ji>>>> >> >> >> > > ....

>>>>

>> >> >> > > SEHAT, BIMARI, NAFA, NUKSAAN, FATEH, SHIKASAT (these words>>>> >> >> >> > > include>>>> >> >> >> > > all

>>>> >> >> >> > > of ur querries) har do pehlu ke liye yahi asool honge. This>>>> >> >> >> > > line>>>> >> >> >> > > is

>>>> >> >> >> > > 2nd line under subhead BIMAARI on page 155 as ref. above.>>>> >> >> >> > > But>>>> >> >> >> > > my

>>>> >> >> >> > > friend this is not all inclusive. e.g. Bimari of aathraa is>>>> >> >> >> > > explained>>>> >> >> >> > > in farmaan no. 161 1939

volume. Go in for short cuts only>>>> >> >> >> > > in>>>> >> >> >> > > desperate>>>> >> >> >> > > situation. For study and research follow guidelines given

>>>> >> >> >> > > by>>>> >> >> >> > > pt.>>>> >> >> >> > > Ji>>>> >> >> >> > > in

>>>> >> >> >> > > SARSARI NOTE Regards. Kulbir.>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ > wrote:

>>>> >> >> >> > >> Kulbir Ji,>>>> >> >> >> > >> Thanks for the reply. If you can write me where in

lal>>>> >> >> >> > >> kitab>>>> >> >> >> > >> written>>>> >> >> >> > >> how>>>> >> >> >> > >> to

>>>> >> >> >> > >> evaluate>>>> >> >> >> > >> the native range of success, that would be great.>>>> >> >> >> > >> I am very much interested in the intensity(scale) of

>>>> >> >> >> > >> health,>>>> >> >> >> > >> success>>>> >> >> >> > >> or>>>> >> >> >> > >> failure.

>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >> Best

regards>>>> >> >> >> > >> Ashok Singh>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >> --- On Fri, 6/12/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>

>>>> >> >> >> > >> wrote:>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >> kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>

>>>> >> >> >> > >> Re: Health, Sucess/Failure (HOW>>>> >> >> >> > >> MUCH>>>> >> >> >> > >> ?? )

>>>> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> Friday, June 12, 2009, 12:03 PM>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>

>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>

>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >> Ashok ji, what u are saying is represented loosely by the>>>> >> >> >> > >> term

>>>> >> >> >> > >> oxymoron. Secondly health and success may be related>>>> >> >> >> > >> somehow.>>>> >> >> >> > >>

But>>>> >> >> >> > >> illness is no deterent to success. Then success in which>>>> >> >> >> > >> field?>>>> >> >> >> > >> It

>>>> >> >> >> > >> has>>>> >> >> >> > >> to be specific. Lastly the dictum that all houses and>>>> >> >> >> > >> planets

>>>> >> >> >> > >> have>>>> >> >> >> > >> to>>>> >> >> >> > >> be considered before reaching a conclusion. This type of

>>>> >> >> >> > >> isolated>>>> >> >> >> > >> study is against the basic rules of lalkitab. Regards.>>>> >>

>> >> > >> Kulbir.>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >> On 6/12/09, y2k_aksingh <y2k_aksingh@ > wrote:

>>>> >> >> >> > >>> Dear Members,>>>> >> >> >> > >>> In a horoscope priciple to see health,sucess/ failure is>>>> >> >> >> > >>> the

>>>> >> >> >> > >>> same.>>>> >> >> >> > >>> Can we find range of sucess as in Lal kitab written HNo.>>>> >> >> >> > >>> 10

>>>> >> >> >> > >>> shows>>>> >> >> >> > >>> the intensity of illiness does it applicable for sucess>>>>

>> >> >> > >>> also.>>>> >> >> >> > >>> It would be really appreciated.>>>> >> >> >> > >>> My real goal is to find HOW MUCH i.e. what would be the

>>>> >> >> >> > >>> range>>>> >> >> >> > >>> of>>>> >> >> >> > >>> sucess.>>>> >> >> >> > >>>

>>>> >> >> >> > >>> Thanks>>>> >> >> >> > >>> Ashok>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>

>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>>> >> >> >> >

>>>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >> -->>>> >> >> >> > >> Sent from my mobile device

>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>

>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>

>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> >

>>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>

>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > > -->>>> >> >> >> > > Sent from my mobile device

>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> >

>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> > >

>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > -->>>> >> >> >> > Sent from my mobile device

>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >

>>>> >>

>>>>>> >> >> -->>>> >> >> Sent from my mobile device>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >

>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>>> >> -->>>> >> Sent from my mobile device>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >

>>>> >>>>>>>>> -->>>> Sent from my mobile device>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -->> Sent from my mobile device

>>>>>> --->>>>

[Guest guest]

Yogesh ji, i understand ur point. I was doing what i learned from

them. I was instructed that writing something that gives the

impression that it is ur original thought but actually borrowed from

someone or gifted by someone means AMAANAT ME KHAYANAT. I will stop

writing but it is a request to allow me a last mail on the subject

where i will quote the name of the author and the book. The publisher

is a member of this group and hopefully he won't drag me into

copyright issue. Credibility is not an issue with me. Credit should go

to persons who taught me. But i agree with u, it is their belonging,

why should i intervene, it is there discretion when and whom to give.

I admit i committed a mistake but it was in good faith. One last mail

tommorrow and then i quit writing. Thanks for ur concern. Kulbir.

 

On 7/5/09, yogesh jaitely <yogesh.jaitely wrote:

> Dear Kulbir Ji,

> The request of Sh. Pardeep Kumar Sharma is genuine. almost, in every mail

> you quote the name of one or another member of the group in about their

> views of the subject. Mr.Kondal,Pardeep, Umesh, Yograj etc are the members

> of this group and they can themselve say what they want to quote. You should

> give your own views. you should refrain from using others name. This may

> some times create awkward position for others like Pardeep kumar this time

> has and also give question mark to the credibility of the person quoting

> others name.

> Your mailsshow the depth of knowledge you have in the subject. Please shower

> your that knowledge.

> Please don't mind.

> Yogesh

>

> On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 7:13 PM, PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA <lalkitab_l

>> wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> Respected kulbir ji

>> There is a humble request with folded hands.Pl. donot quote my name in any

>> reference in this group.I am a big zero in this field and try to learn a

>> word or two by reading the mails of this group and Dr. Upadhaya group. I

>> donot know whether i would be able to learn abc in this birth. you all

>> are

>> requested to keep your blessing on me as before .

>>

>>

>> ------------------------------

>> ** kulbir bance <kulbirbance

>> *To:*

>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 1 July, 2009 11:58:22 PM

>> *Subject:* Re: Why study Astrology?

>>

>> Respected Kondal Sahib, Pardeep sharma ji told me that read lalkitab

>> as a spiritual book. Unki agya sar mathe. I have started my study

>> afresh. I am stuck at pakka ghar khanna no.2 line PHAL 2-11 APNA APNA

>> DHARAM MANDIR GURUDWARA MEIN . What is the difference between dharam

>> mandir and gurudwara. Regards. Kulbir.

>>

>> On 7/1/09, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal wrote:

>> > dear kulbir ji,

>> > you are true what you have said and i do agree

>> with

>> > it but again it depends on that how you attain education. any vidya or

>> > education learned by self i mean to say not under the guidence of guru

>> leads

>> > the disciple to proudness{ahakar} and education learned under the

>> guidence

>> > of the guru leads the disciple to higher ends of life and down to earth

>> > tendecy and disciple gets blessed too and further more doors are opened

>> for

>> > higher learning otherwise apne aap vidya pad k ahankaar yukt ho kar

>> > vidyaarthi bhatakna mein phas jata hain.

>> >

>> >

>> there

>> > is a classic reference from ancient granths and that is the conversation

>> > between rishiudalik and his son shwetketu.in which shwetketu after

>> learning

>> > all the vedas ,and other granths from the age of twelve to twenty four

>> years

>> > return home and very proudly says to his father on returning that i have

>> > learnt all the vedas and different scriptures and i am fully versed in

>> > them,you ask me anything i will answer and at that very moment his

>> > father

>> > said

>> > that have you learnt that education or vidya with which one is able to

>> learn

>> > all the things.nothing is left to be learnt.one becomes to hear the

>> > unhearble also and after knowing which nothing is left to learn .and it

>> is

>> > in scriptures that at that very moment the son realised that what sort

>> > of

>> > mistake he has done and at that very moment he bowed in front of his

>> father

>> > and tells him to become his guru and give him the said education.it is

>> worth

>> > reading the conversation between the father and son .

>> >

>> > whenever we will meet i will narrate u the whole in detail and we can

>> > discuss openly.its a long conversation but full of knowledge.there are

>> > always lots and lots of schools each and every school differs in its

>> > thoughts but their prime moto is to help the humanity instead of only

>> self

>> > .but that is the best in which one helps humanity also and on the same

>> hand

>> > leads himself also to higher spiritual plane .

>> >

>> > Regards

>> > MS KONDAL

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > ________________________________

>> > kulbir bance <kulbirbance

>> >

>> > Wednesday, July 1, 2009 7:02:04 PM

>> > Re: Why study Astrology?

>> >

>> > Respected Kondal Sahib, the first day i went to astrology class the

>> > teacher there gave a lecture. A person went to lord Buddha and

>> > requested that he had some questions to ask. Lord Buddha said i will

>> > answer all ur questions but before that u will have to live here in

>> > the sangh for one whole year. I will impose no conditions, do whatever

>> > u like but take care not to disturb others. He agreed, lived there,

>> > heard lords discourses.. After one year lord called him and asked. Now

>> > ask whatever questions u have. The person with folded hands said

>> > " saare prashan hi gir gaye ab poochne ko kuch raha hi nahin " so is the

>> > case with lalkitab. All it requires patience and faith, then all

>> > questions drop slowly. What can be more spiritual than this. Regards.

>> > Kulbir.

>> >

>> > On 7/1/09, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal wrote:

>> >>

>> >> dated:1-7-2009

>> >> dear kulbir ji,

>> >> very well said blessed persons like pundit jee

>> never

>> >> feel any binding in giving or distributing knowledge and they find no

>> >> difference in humanity.

>> >>

>> >> Gurus work is to open the knot rightly and forever.

>> >>

>> >> when ever something good is written or explored in that case it is done

>> >> for

>> >> the whole mankind by the holy persons and such blessed like pundit ji

>> are

>> >> always free of bondages and the clutches of getting fame and praise for

>> >> whatever they have done or are doing ,they are the trend setters .

>> >> already mentioned any dignity or any good soul rather i will say

>> >> blessed

>> >> soul wont feel any bondages or bindings on giving and sharing whatever

>> he

>> >> or

>> >> she has experienced or learned in his life.

>> >> no one can

>> >> impose

>> >> anything on anybody it is everyones free will whether to accept or

>> reject

>> >> the proposal but if there is pure truth in the saying or teaching

>> whatever

>> >> is said no one can deny it because that saying will reflect in one or

>> >> another manner in your life and you have to accept it.

>> >>

>> >> i think all might be thinking that in this topic we till date havent

>> >> discussed anything on remedial measure or astrological part but let me

>> >> tell

>> >> you this topic is really necessary to be discussed prior to all,because

>> >> astrology itself is full of how,what, when,why and many more questions

>> and

>> >> anyone whosoever want to read or study astrology ,for him the foremost

>> >> question for him would arise that for what he is learning astrology?

>> >>

>> >> is he learning astrology for himself?

>> >> or learning to get rid of self problems.u might have

>> seen

>> >> that most of the people who are astrologers these days ,had gone

>> through

>> >> really tough time in their past and decided to learn it.

>> >> or told to do so because of their family tradition as is

>> >> done in pundits families,family tradition.

>> >> or person really want to serve the humanity selflessly

>> >> like

>> >> pundit jee.

>> >> or to make money as these days lot of people think

>> >> that

>> >> astrology is a very good tool for making money.

>> >> in all i would like to say that it depends

>> on

>> >> us that how do we see to get ourself attached with the learning.from

>> that

>> >> very starting point our intentions and further results of outcomings

>> could

>> >> be derived eithr positive or negative outcome.

>> >>

>> >> it is rightly said

>> >>

>> >> " nazraein badli to nazare badal gaye

>> >> kishti badli to kinare badal gaye. "

>> >>

>> >> our senior Sh. Yograjji has written very

>> >> nicely

>> >> what he has felt and observed by being a witness and has expressed his

>> >> feelings on the ongoing discussion.i am slow in writing.i would preffer

>> to

>> >> have discussion by sitting face to face with each other because there

>> are

>> >> too many things which we can discuss easily and fluently and that too

>> >> in

>> >> big

>> >> numbers but when it comes to writing person like me fells handicaped.

>> >>

>> >> otherwise i know this topic will make every one to think atleast once

>> that

>> >> what is their soul purpose of learning or study astrology?

>> >>

>> >> Regards,

>> >> MS KONDAL

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> ________________________________

>> >> kulbir bance <kulbirbance

>> >>

>> >> Wednesday, July 1, 2009 10:44:31 AM

>> >> Re: Why study Astrology?

>> >>

>> >> Guruji, what pt ji has written in lalkitab and what his contemporaries

>> >> say about his life style clearly shows that pt ji was a very broad

>> >> minded person. He has clearly written in SARSARI NOTE what is required

>> >> to understand this book. Some extra tools can make the job easier e.g.

>> >> Pt ji did the calculation part manually but now softwares are used.

>> >> Guru may be helpful in that sense but the guru should not be such as

>> >> he binds the subject. Pt ji was open minded to such an extent that he

>> >> laid great stress on purani rasme, kul purohit etc. He hinself didn't

>> >> wanted to be a guru. He gave whatever he had without any bondages.

>> >> Reccommending something that might be helpful but Imposing is not

>> >> right. Regards. Kulbir.

>> >>

>> >> On 6/30/09, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote:

>> >>> Dear Kulbir ji

>> >>>

>> >>> First of all, I strongly object to the conspiracy initiated by you and

>> >>> Jitin

>> >>> against me to deprive me of the title " The Dumbest " . Mind you, I am

>> >>> the

>> >>> most

>> >>> eligible person for this title in the field of Lal Kitab.

>> >>>

>> >>> Since I have nothing to do with this spirituality thing, I am unable

>> >>> to

>> >>> comment on that. But " je ghoDi chaDhaya nee – taan chaDhdey taan

>> batherey

>> >>> dekhey hi ney. So I would humbly like to convey to my learned

>> colleagues

>> >>> in

>> >>> the forum that in my view spirituality in not like boasting of

>> >>> " having "

>> >>> something special, rather it's a process of becoming the absolute

>> >>> ZERO.

>> >>> I

>> >>> believe that this Zero status can be achieved without possessing

>> anything

>> >>> special, but an open mind. I know many such people who are living in

>> >>> this

>> >>> materialistic world but still possess the high degree of this quality.

>> >>>

>> >>> Now, a few words about Guru. My dear friends, a Guru is not

>> necessarily

>> >>> a

>> >>> human being. An ideology, an idea, a theory, even a good saying can be

>> >>> one's

>> >>> Guru. Moreover in my personal humble opinion, those whom Pundit jee

>> >>> has

>> >>> selected to spread the knowledge of divine Lal Kitab, those who are

>> >>> fortunate enough to touch these sacred scriptures, do not require any

>> >>> other

>> >>> Guru or Sad-Guru for the matter, or did they?

>> >>>

>> >>> I don't know what the spirituality or Guru means to others. But I

>> expect

>> >>> every true Lal kitab student to be a broad minded like Pundit jee and

>> >>> always

>> >>> ready to share. I hate the tendency of " chunj Dubowan – par lukowan "

>> >>> adopted

>> >>> by some of our exalted colleagues. No one should feel himself free of

>> his

>> >>> sacred duties after writing a few mails in the group, it is a

>> >>> perpetual

>> >>> process and everybody has to work hard to complete the task assigned

>> >>> by

>> >>> Pundit jee. So my dear friends, no half measure will do. Further

>> >>> propagation

>> >>> of such fatal tendencies will lead us to nowhere.

>> >>>

>> >>> I read all the beautiful posts, and the following is my observation:

>> >>>

>> >>> (1). whatever Mr Sumit has written, reflects whatever he has been

>> >>> " Taught " .

>> >>> (2). whatever Mr Jitin has expressed, indicates whatever he has

>> >>> " Learned " .

>> >>> (3). whatever Mr Kulbir has written, clearly shows whatever he has

>> >>> " Learned

>> >>> and experienced " .

>> >>> (4). Whatever Acharya MS Kondal sahib has written is the part and

>> parcel

>> >>> of

>> >>> his " Basic training " .

>> >>> (5). and whatever I have expressed in the above lines is, whatever I

>> >>> " felt " .

>> >>>

>> >>> I will share those interesting fables on an appropriate time as

>> >>> desired

>> >>> by

>> >>> you.

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>> Sincerely

>> >>> Yograj Prabhakar

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>> , kulbir bance <kulbirbance

>> >>> wrote:

>> >>>>

>> >>>> Syal ji, i am the dumbest, don't have a Satguru so i know totally

>> >>>> nothing about Sumeet ji's method but it has an appeal moresoever when

>> >>>> Kondal Sahib's endorses. U asked Where to sign for sure shot

>> >>>> remedies?

>> >>>> I can only share my practical experience. Remedial portion involves

>> >>>> an

>> >>>> extra dimension. Prabhakar ji is a guru. He explained this dimension

>> >>>> by telling a mythological story of Ek Pathi Ek Munda. These fables

>> >>>> might not have actually happenned but the essence is a saar of

>> >>>> observation of thousands of years which the seers observed. I come

>> >>>> from a rural background so i understood it in punjabi. I don't have

>> >>>> any forbiddance from his side to hide anything that i got from him.

>> >>>> But i would like him to translate it and send it in english also the

>> >>>> story of Buggla phadna and Syani Jethani Kamali Dewarani. Because

>> >>>> translation by 2nd person is not that effective. If he refuses then i

>> >>>> will do so without even asking for his permission. Let me explain the

>> >>>> reason for this also Lord Buddha prophecised that he will be

>> >>>> reincarnated in our/this present time by the name of MAITRAY people

>> >>>> are waiting for him. Some spiritual sects even experimented to bring

>> >>>> his soul in a body. Even a young boy (J Krishnamurthy's elder

>> >>>> brother)

>> >>>> died in this process. BUT WHAT LORD BUDDHA MEANT TO CONVEY TO HIS

>> >>>> DISCIPLES WAS THAT GURU IN THESE TIMES WILL BE A FRIEND this is

>> >>>> actual

>> >>>> meaning that he conveyed by MAITRAY. So Prabhakar ji and Senior

>> >>>> members of this and other lalkitab groups are like maitray guru to

>> >>>> me.

>> >>>> Prabhakar ji being one of those with whom i quarrell with, abuse him,

>> >>>> yet i recieve his blessings his doors are always open knowing very

>> >>>> well what guru dakshina i have to offer. So i request him to tell

>> >>>> himself these in larger interest. Otherwise i am always at ur

>> >>>> service.

>> >>>> Regards . Kulbir.

>> >>>>

>> >>>> On 6/27/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82 wrote:

>> >>>> > Kulbir ji,

>> >>>> > I don't know sumit ji and his caliber and neither do i doubt it. i

>> >>>> > just

>> >>>> > know

>> >>>> > one thing i am probably the dumbest student in this group and

>> nowhere

>> >>>> > near

>> >>>> > as any one else here.

>> >>>> > but don't you think he needs to know the true meaning of life

>> >>>> > before

>> >>>> > touching/ " being one " with god?

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> > He is saying that " naam-jaap " is the only true way to success,if

>> >>>> > that's

>> >>>> > the

>> >>>> > case............ where do i sign?

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> > Regards

>> >>>> > Jitin Syal

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>

>> >>>> > wrote:

>> >>>> >>

>> >>>> >> Syal ji, u r right, two concepts should be clear 1. Meaning of

>> >>>> >> success

>> >>>> >> 2. Explanation about the methodology. Lets hope Sumeet ji

>> >>>> >> explains.

>> >>>> >> His explanation of horoscope matching is simply amazing. It shows

>> >>>> >> that

>> >>>> >> he has a very high calibre. He writes 81 in his id. As per my

>> >>>> >> assumption if that is his birth year then such knowledge at this

>> age

>> >>>> >> is a karishma. He indeed is a blessed soul. Regards. Kulbir.

>> >>>> >>

>> >>>> >> On 6/26/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@> wrote:

>> >>>> >> > Kulbir paaji,

>> >>>> >> > I always feel that we(humans) are here to balance our negative,

>> >>>> >> > positives

>> >>>> >> > from previous births.. if someone doesn't have something in this

>> >>>> >> > world

>> >>>> >> > he

>> >>>> >> > is

>> >>>> >> > just paying for his sins or vice versa. Even Pt. ji has left the

>> >>>> >> > " greh

>> >>>> >> > phal "

>> >>>> >> > planets untouched as somethings can't be changed.

>> >>>> >> >

>> >>>> >> > I totally agree that, any unnecessary intervention with

>> Almighty's

>> >>>> >> > plan

>> >>>> >> > WILL

>> >>>> >> > backfire, hence my point was to ask sumit ji to elaborate their

>> >>>> >> > option/way

>> >>>> >> > one where he has predicted a " sure shot " at success.

>> >>>> >> >

>> >>>> >> > yours sincerely

>> >>>> >> > Jitin Syal

>> >>>> >> >

>> >>>> >> > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@

>> >

>> >>>> >> > wrote:

>> >>>> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> Syal ji, sumeet ji will answer ur querry. I would like to share

>> a

>> >>>> >> >> fact. After world war the ratio of male child increased

>> >>>> >> >> dramatically

>> >>>> >> >> as compared to female child. 1600 : 1000. Secondly

>> >>>> >> >> determination

>> >>>> >> >> of

>> >>>> >> >> gender at conception has parameters that are generally beyond

>> >>>> >> >> human

>> >>>> >> >> control. But still nature has maintained the balance that life

>> >>>> >> >> goes

>> >>>> >> >> on. Imagind a scenario if only male or only female child

>> continued

>> >>>> >> >> say

>> >>>> >> >> for even a century. But it has not happenned. Why? There is a

>> >>>> >> >> divine

>> >>>> >> >> scheme, jyotish is a tool to understand it. This divine scheme

>> and

>> >>>> >> >> individual interests creat a confusion. Upaya may be suggessted

>> >>>> >> >> but

>> >>>> >> >> the upayagar should have knowledge of the divine scheme.

>> >>>> >> >> Unneccessary

>> >>>> >> >> intervention will not yield results in the first place and if

>> does

>> >>>> >> >> somebody is going to pay for it. Written very clearly in

>> lalkitab.

>> >>>> >> >> Guru is a kind of superimposition on a person's mind to keep

>> >>>> >> >> him

>> >>>> >> >> ever

>> >>>> >> >> alert. Regards. Kulbir.

>> >>>> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> On 6/25/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@> wrote:

>> >>>> >> >> > Sumit ji,

>> >>>> >> >> > Are you saying that option one is a gauranteed

>> success/remedial

>> >>>> >> >> > measure

>> >>>> >> >> > without any risk of " backfire " or loss of spirituality??

>> >>>> >> >> > if so, please elaborate further.

>> >>>> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> > Regards

>> >>>> >> >> > Jitin Syal

>> >>>> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> > , " sumitbansal_81 "

>> >>>> >> >> > <sumitbansal_81@>

>> >>>> >> >> > wrote:

>> >>>> >> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> Respected All,

>> >>>> >> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> It is indeed a pleasure in itself to see and read such a

>> >>>> >> >> >> beautiful

>> >>>> >> >> >> topic

>> >>>> >> >> >> related to Astrology which clearly outlines the true nature

>> and

>> >>>> >> >> >> objective

>> >>>> >> >> >> of Astrology. Kondalji has given us a marvelous insight in

>> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> basic

>> >>>> >> >> >> idea

>> >>>> >> >> >> towards the mere existance of the Jyotish Shastra. It is

>> righly

>> >>>> >> >> >> said

>> >>>> >> >> >> that

>> >>>> >> >> >> Jyotish is the " ISHVARIYA JYOTI " and is a guiding light of

>> each

>> >>>> >> >> >> and

>> >>>> >> >> >> every

>> >>>> >> >> >> human being towards achieving the " Ultimate Goal " - to

>> >>>> >> >> >> become

>> >>>> >> >> >> " One "

>> >>>> >> >> >> with

>> >>>> >> >> >> the GOD by providing the means to initiate the purification

>> >>>> >> >> >> process

>> >>>> >> >> >> of

>> >>>> >> >> >> " Chitt " and " Mann " .

>> >>>> >> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> However, even when there are millions of human beings taking

>> >>>> >> >> >> birth

>> >>>> >> >> >> on

>> >>>> >> >> >> this

>> >>>> >> >> >> planet earth, not even one percent of them ever think about

>> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> reason

>> >>>> >> >> >> as

>> >>>> >> >> >> why are they born and what is the specific task assigned to

>> >>>> >> >> >> them

>> >>>> >> >> >> by

>> >>>> >> >> >> that

>> >>>> >> >> >> one Supreme God and which is the specific path, he/she has

>> >>>> >> >> >> to

>> >>>> >> >> >> tread

>> >>>> >> >> >> in

>> >>>> >> >> >> order to achieve or fulfill that specific task?

>> >>>> >> >> >> And the saddest part of the story is that by the time one

>> >>>> >> >> >> realizes

>> >>>> >> >> >> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> need and authenticity of these questions, there is not

>> >>>> >> >> >> enough

>> >>>> >> >> >> time

>> >>>> >> >> >> left

>> >>>> >> >> >> for him to achieve the set goal. A very famous Bollywood

>> >>>> >> >> >> Song

>> >>>> >> >> >> has

>> >>>> >> >> >> rightly

>> >>>> >> >> >> described this situaltion in the following lines:

>> >>>> >> >> >> " Ladakpan Khel Mein Khoya,

>> >>>> >> >> >> Jawaani Neend Bhar Soya,

>> >>>> >> >> >> Burhahpa Dekh Kar Roya,

>> >>>> >> >> >> Yehi Kissa Puraana Hai. "

>> >>>> >> >> >> But Jyoish is that devine light which can help an individual

>> by

>> >>>> >> >> >> breaking

>> >>>> >> >> >> the spell of his slumber just as the light of the morning

>> >>>> >> >> >> sun

>> >>>> >> >> >> awakes

>> >>>> >> >> >> a

>> >>>> >> >> >> sleeping person.

>> >>>> >> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> Spiritualism oozes from each and every aspect of Jyotish

>> >>>> >> >> >> Shastra.

>> >>>> >> >> >> The

>> >>>> >> >> >> only

>> >>>> >> >> >> consideration is the " View Point " or " Nazar " by which anyone

>> >>>> >> >> >> looks

>> >>>> >> >> >> at

>> >>>> >> >> >> it.

>> >>>> >> >> >> To illustrate, I can provide a very simple example of

>> >>>> >> >> >> " Horoscope

>> >>>> >> >> >> Matching " .

>> >>>> >> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> Every human being has some kind of desire(s) present in his

>> >>>> >> >> >> heart

>> >>>> >> >> >> and

>> >>>> >> >> >> these desires then lead to the formation of " Aasha " and

>> >>>> >> >> >> " Trishna " .

>> >>>> >> >> >> This

>> >>>> >> >> >> in

>> >>>> >> >> >> turn leads to the creation of the " Karma " which ultimately

>> >>>> >> >> >> culminate

>> >>>> >> >> >> in

>> >>>> >> >> >> the formation of " Paap " and " Punya " . These Paap and Punya

>> >>>> >> >> >> are

>> >>>> >> >> >> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> deciding

>> >>>> >> >> >> factors of the type and quality of the next life which this

>> >>>> >> >> >> jeevatma

>> >>>> >> >> >> has

>> >>>> >> >> >> to undergo.

>> >>>> >> >> >> Now the ultimate Goal of any individual is to become one

>> >>>> >> >> >> with

>> >>>> >> >> >> GOD

>> >>>> >> >> >> or

>> >>>> >> >> >> to

>> >>>> >> >> >> attain the state of " Adwait " and this can only be done by

>> >>>> >> >> >> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> purification

>> >>>> >> >> >> of " Chitt " and " Mann " which can be attained by the

>> purification

>> >>>> >> >> >> of

>> >>>> >> >> >> " Karma "

>> >>>> >> >> >> and this is the exact point where Jyotish comes into play.

>> >>>> >> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> Anyone can Purify the Karmas in Two Ways, either using both

>> or

>> >>>> >> >> >> any

>> >>>> >> >> >> one

>> >>>> >> >> >> of

>> >>>> >> >> >> the two. And the two ways are:

>> >>>> >> >> >> 1. Naam Jaap - where the " Naam " is given by a " Sat-Guru "

>> >>>> >> >> >> and

>> >>>> >> >> >> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> " Sat-Guru " himself is guiding the person.

>> >>>> >> >> >> 2. Dividing or Cutting his Atma into few smaller pieces

>> and

>> >>>> >> >> >> then

>> >>>> >> >> >> purifying them one by one.

>> >>>> >> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> " YES, ATMA CAN ALSO BE CUT. " and this is the ultimate truth

>> of

>> >>>> >> >> >> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> spirituality which if understood properly, will describe as

>> how

>> >>>> >> >> >> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> GOD

>> >>>> >> >> >> is

>> >>>> >> >> >> keeping himself alive or " Amar " . I cannot describe more here

>> >>>> >> >> >> due

>> >>>> >> >> >> to

>> >>>> >> >> >> " Guru

>> >>>> >> >> >> Agya " but, the only hint I can give is that a " Sperm " or

>> " Beej "

>> >>>> >> >> >> created

>> >>>> >> >> >> inside the human body is as much living as we are and we all

>> >>>> >> >> >> are

>> >>>> >> >> >> made

>> >>>> >> >> >> from

>> >>>> >> >> >> this " Sperm " and we all have atma. Female Egg can only

>> provide

>> >>>> >> >> >> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> breeding ground for this so called " Beej " but, cannot impart

>> >>>> >> >> >> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> " Atma "

>> >>>> >> >> >> in

>> >>>> >> >> >> the " Beej " . So, where does this " Atma " comes into the " Beej "

>> >>>> >> >> >> ????

>> >>>> >> >> >> Yes,

>> >>>> >> >> >> you

>> >>>> >> >> >> guessed it right, it is the " Ansh " of our own " Atma " . And in

>> >>>> >> >> >> this

>> >>>> >> >> >> particular sense, each Father is just like " Param-Atma " to

>> his

>> >>>> >> >> >> offspring.

>> >>>> >> >> >> So, it is the atma of the Father which is cut into pieces

>> >>>> >> >> >> everytime

>> >>>> >> >> >> sperms

>> >>>> >> >> >> leaves his body. " No further explanation on this part can be

>> >>>> >> >> >> given

>> >>>> >> >> >> here

>> >>>> >> >> >> due to the sensitivity of the topic "

>> >>>> >> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> Now, if you are using the option " One " only then it is

>> >>>> >> >> >> " Okay "

>> >>>> >> >> >> in

>> >>>> >> >> >> all

>> >>>> >> >> >> sense. However, if you are using the Option " Two " or " Both

>> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> options " ,

>> >>>> >> >> >> then there is a catch that the " Ansh " or " Beej of your Atma "

>> >>>> >> >> >> might

>> >>>> >> >> >> not

>> >>>> >> >> >> get

>> >>>> >> >> >> a proper breeding ground which might result into creation of

>> >>>> >> >> >> more

>> >>>> >> >> >> desire

>> >>>> >> >> >> in the Beej due to lack of the proper " Nutrients " which a

>> Beej

>> >>>> >> >> >> might

>> >>>> >> >> >> take

>> >>>> >> >> >> from Mother which will again create " Aasha " and " Trishna "

>> >>>> >> >> >> and

>> >>>> >> >> >> so

>> >>>> >> >> >> on

>> >>>> >> >> >> to

>> >>>> >> >> >> " Paap " and " Punya " . And if this happens, then, the Beej

>> >>>> >> >> >> again

>> >>>> >> >> >> has

>> >>>> >> >> >> to

>> >>>> >> >> >> go

>> >>>> >> >> >> through the complete cycle of " Chauraasi " .

>> >>>> >> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> As explained above, the so called " Nutrients " are nothing

>> >>>> >> >> >> but

>> >>>> >> >> >> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> " Guna "

>> >>>> >> >> >> of the Mother and the " Actual Requirement of the Beej " is

>> >>>> >> >> >> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> " Guna "

>> >>>> >> >> >> of

>> >>>> >> >> >> the Father. So, if there is a mismatch between the two, then

>> >>>> >> >> >> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> Option

>> >>>> >> >> >> Two is bound to fail which will create more distress in the

>> >>>> >> >> >> human

>> >>>> >> >> >> society.

>> >>>> >> >> >> AND TO BE HONEST, OPTION TWO IS THE ONE WHICH IS BEING USED

>> IN

>> >>>> >> >> >> A

>> >>>> >> >> >> VERY

>> >>>> >> >> >> VERY

>> >>>> >> >> >> VERY LARGE PROPORTION WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE ACTUAL TRUTH

>> >>>> >> >> >> BEHIND

>> >>>> >> >> >> THE

>> >>>> >> >> >> USE OF THIS OPTION. AND ONLY JYOTISH IS CAPABLE OF

>> >>>> >> >> >> RECTIFYING

>> >>>> >> >> >> THIS

>> >>>> >> >> >> MISTAKE

>> >>>> >> >> >> OF MAN AND SHOWING AS HOW TO BEGET WORTHY CHILDREN BY PROPER

>> >>>> >> >> >> MATCHING

>> >>>> >> >> >> OF

>> >>>> >> >> >> SOIL AND SEED.

>> >>>> >> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> This clearly shows the Criticality as why Horoscope Matching

>> is

>> >>>> >> >> >> so

>> >>>> >> >> >> important and the undefiable relationship between Jyotish

>> >>>> >> >> >> and

>> >>>> >> >> >> Aadhyatam.

>> >>>> >> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> In the end I can only say that Option One is the only True

>> >>>> >> >> >> Option

>> >>>> >> >> >> as

>> >>>> >> >> >> Option Two is just like using a shortcut which has the

>> >>>> >> >> >> reputation

>> >>>> >> >> >> of

>> >>>> >> >> >> " Backfiring Percentage " set at 99.99% as the Jyotish Shastra

>> is

>> >>>> >> >> >> not

>> >>>> >> >> >> being

>> >>>> >> >> >> used as required. No one literally know as how to implement

>> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> jyotish

>> >>>> >> >> >> shastra. All just know one thing and that is how to do the

>> upai

>> >>>> >> >> >> and

>> >>>> >> >> >> that

>> >>>> >> >> >> also incorrect. If you are playing with gun loaded bullets,

>> and

>> >>>> >> >> >> you

>> >>>> >> >> >> don't

>> >>>> >> >> >> know how to use the gun properly, then at least cover

>> yourself

>> >>>> >> >> >> with

>> >>>> >> >> >> a

>> >>>> >> >> >> bulletproof dress first. Providing or telling Upai of

>> something

>> >>>> >> >> >> so

>> >>>> >> >> >> much

>> >>>> >> >> >> spiritual will only erode you spiritually unless and untill

>> you

>> >>>> >> >> >> have

>> >>>> >> >> >> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> required " Guru Kripa " .

>> >>>> >> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> I tender my apologies for being rude or harsh. My purpose of

>> >>>> >> >> >> writing

>> >>>> >> >> >> this

>> >>>> >> >> >> was not to offend anyone but to provide the exact scenario

>> >>>> >> >> >> as

>> >>>> >> >> >> what

>> >>>> >> >> >> is

>> >>>> >> >> >> being done and what could it lead to. If I have hurt the

>> >>>> >> >> >> feelings

>> >>>> >> >> >> of

>> >>>> >> >> >> anyone, then please ask yourself, " Do you really have the

>> >>>> >> >> >> required

>> >>>> >> >> >> Bullet-Proof Suite? " You will get the answer yourself. The

>> >>>> >> >> >> Supreme

>> >>>> >> >> >> God

>> >>>> >> >> >> speakes from the very inside of your " Chitt " or

>> " Ghat-Mandir " .

>> >>>> >> >> >> Listen

>> >>>> >> >> >> to

>> >>>> >> >> >> him and you will get the answer.....

>> >>>> >> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> Whatever I have learned from my revered Guruji is as under:

>> >>>> >> >> >> " Guru Kripa Se Hai Mila,

>> >>>> >> >> >> Jiska Naam Sunaam.

>> >>>> >> >> >> Ghat Ghat Mein Bole Jo Sabke,

>> >>>> >> >> >> Hai Woh Atma Ram. "

>> >>>> >> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> Regards,

>> >>>> >> >> >> Sumit Bansal.

>> >>>> >> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> , maneshwar singh kondal

>> >>>> >> >> >> <mskondal@>

>> >>>> >> >> >> wrote:

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > date:18-6-2009

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > hello kulbir ji,

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > first of

>> >>>> >> >> >> > all let me thank u for discussing such a vital point in

>> >>>> >> >> >> > astrology

>> >>>> >> >> >> > or

>> >>>> >> >> >> > everybody life that why and for what we are doing any job

>> as

>> >>>> >> >> >> > quoted

>> >>>> >> >> >> > by

>> >>>> >> >> >> > u that why we are using or doing astrology.this is a very

>> >>>> >> >> >> > crucial

>> >>>> >> >> >> > point

>> >>>> >> >> >> > and i will try to contribute from myside what ever i know

>> >>>> >> >> >> > openly

>> >>>> >> >> >> > and

>> >>>> >> >> >> > would like everybody to share their views on this topic

>> >>>> >> >> >> > because

>> >>>> >> >> >> > this

>> >>>> >> >> >> > is

>> >>>> >> >> >> > directly related to our spiritual enlightenment and

>> >>>> >> >> >> > getting

>> >>>> >> >> >> > in

>> >>>> >> >> >> > touch

>> >>>> >> >> >> > with god.this topic is never ending and i request all

>> members

>> >>>> >> >> >> > to

>> >>>> >> >> >> > keep

>> >>>> >> >> >> > on writing their true experiences and findings regarding

>> >>>> >> >> >> > spiritual

>> >>>> >> >> >> > and

>> >>>> >> >> >> > worldly astrology and try to differentiate between the

>> >>>> >> >> >> > two.

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > as kulbir ji has quoted from osho's book the words

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > jyotish

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > sampooranta

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ekta

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > advait

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > all these words are self explanatry

>> >>>> >> >> >> > but if we start explaining them then we will become short

>> of

>> >>>> >> >> >> > words

>> >>>> >> >> >> > but

>> >>>> >> >> >> > i would say that if we compile all these in one word we

>> >>>> >> >> >> > can

>> >>>> >> >> >> > say

>> >>>> >> >> >> > these

>> >>>> >> >> >> > are the qualities of one and only one supreme and that is

>> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > GOD.

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ACTUALLY WE ARE THE JEEVATMAS AND

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ARE PART OF THE SUPREME LORD AND DUE TO VARIOUS JANAMAS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND

>> >>>> >> >> >> > BIRTHS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > LOT

>> >>>> >> >> >> > OF MISCONCEPTIONS HAVE BEEN ENGRAVED IN OUR MINDS AND

>> BECAUSE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > OF

>> >>>> >> >> >> > OUR

>> >>>> >> >> >> > SANCHIT KARMAS AND DUE TO PRARABDH WE ARE GETTING BIRTHS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > AGAIN

>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND

>> >>>> >> >> >> > AGAIN AND GETTING DETACHED FROM THE SUPREME DAY BY DAY TO

>> >>>> >> >> >> > FULFIL

>> >>>> >> >> >> > OUR

>> >>>> >> >> >> > WORLDLY DEEDS,WHICH ULTIMATELY LAND US NOWHERE ELSE THAN

>> >>>> >> >> >> > REBIRTH

>> >>>> >> >> >> > TO

>> >>>> >> >> >> > FULFIL OUR DESIRES AND WE GET USED TO THE RE BIRTH CYCLE

>> AND

>> >>>> >> >> >> > CARRY

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ON

>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND FORGET OUR TRUE HOME THAT IS NONE OTHER THAN THE

>> SUPREME

>> >>>> >> >> >> > FATHER

>> >>>> >> >> >> > GOD.BUT

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > REMEBER ONE THING

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > HE WHO GIVES ,GIVES,GIVES,GIVES.......... AND FORGIVES

>> IS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > GOD

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > WHO GETS, GETS, GETS, GETS............. AND FORGETS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > IS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > HUMAN

>> >>>> >> >> >> > BEING

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > THIS IS THE NATURE OF GOD

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > BUT THEN ALSO BECAUSE OF HIS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > FORGIVING NATURE BY DEFAULT THE SUPREME HAS PROGRAMMED

>> EACH

>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND

>> >>>> >> >> >> > EVERY

>> >>>> >> >> >> > HUMAN MIND TO THINK OF ITSELF FOR THE ACTUAL TRUTH THAT

>> >>>> >> >> >> > WHY

>> >>>> >> >> >> > HE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > IS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ON

>> >>>> >> >> >> > THIS EARTH?WHY HE IS BORN,WHAT HE HAS TO DO,IS HE HERE FOR

>> >>>> >> >> >> > MAKING

>> >>>> >> >> >> > MONEY

>> >>>> >> >> >> > OR IS HE HERE TO ENJOY WOMEN OR IS HE HERE TO FOOL OTHERS

>> OR

>> >>>> >> >> >> > IS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > HE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > HERE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > TO MAKE PROPERTY?

>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND MANY MANY OTHER QUESTIONS, EVERY HUMAN THINKS IN HIS

>> MIND

>> >>>> >> >> >> > SOME

>> >>>> >> >> >> > DAY

>> >>>> >> >> >> > SOME TIME .

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > THOSE R LUCKY WHO THINK AT EARLY

>> >>>> >> >> >> > STAGE OF LIFE AND MANY THINK AT LATER AGE BUT ALL OF THEM

>> TRY

>> >>>> >> >> >> > TO

>> >>>> >> >> >> > UNDERSTAND THE ACTUAL THING AND SOME R ABLE TO GET

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ANSWERS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > BUT

>> >>>> >> >> >> > THEY

>> >>>> >> >> >> > DONT HAVE THE TIME TO USE IT PRACTICALLY BECAUSE LIFE IS

>> TOO

>> >>>> >> >> >> > SHORT.

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > SO JYOTISH MEANS ISHVARIYA JYOTI AND EVERYBODY IS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > HAVING

>> >>>> >> >> >> > A

>> >>>> >> >> >> > PART OF IT BUT HOW MANY HAVE REALISED IT?

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > SAMPOORANTA MEANS WHO HAS MASTERD THE ALL

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > EKTA MEANS ONENESS

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ADWAIT AGAIN THE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > PERSON WHO HAS RAISED ABOVE FROM THE DVAIT BHAV THAT

>> MEANS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > HE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > HAS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > NO

>> >>>> >> >> >> > DIFFERENCE BETWEEN

>> >>>> >> >> >> > T

>> >>>> >> >> >> > - HE TWO. MEANS JO DO SE EK

>> ROOP

>> >>>> >> >> >> > HO

>> >>>> >> >> >> > JAYE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > .

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > AS I SAID IT IS JUST A START I DONT

>> >>>> >> >> >> > KNOW WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN ,BUT THIS IS THE TOPIC WHICH IS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ATTACHED

>> >>>> >> >> >> > WITH

>> >>>> >> >> >> > EVERY BODY LIFE SO KEEP ON DISCUSSING IT .PRADEEP SHARMA

>> >>>> >> >> >> > JI

>> >>>> >> >> >> > WAS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > TELLING

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ME MOST OF THE TIMES THAT I SHOULD START SUCH A TOPIC BUT

>> >>>> >> >> >> > I

>> >>>> >> >> >> > WAS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > WAITING

>> >>>> >> >> >> > REALLY FOR THE DAY, THAT THERE WILL BE A DAY WHEN SOME ONE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > WILL

>> >>>> >> >> >> > COME

>> >>>> >> >> >> > OUT OF SO MANY LEARNED PEOPLE AND WILL ASK FOR THE TRUE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > MEANING

>> >>>> >> >> >> > OF

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ASTROLOGY.YET I HAVE NOT WRITTEN MUCH BUT I WILL LOVE TO

>> >>>> >> >> >> > WRITE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > MORE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > BECAUSE THIS IS THE QUESTION RELATED TO OUR TRUE SELF AND

>> IT

>> >>>> >> >> >> > IS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > MY

>> >>>> >> >> >> > FOREMOST DUTY TO ANSWER AND WILL TRY TO TELL WHAT I

>> >>>> >> >> >> > EXPERIENCED

>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND

>> >>>> >> >> >> > WILL LEARN FROM ALL MY SENIORS AND COLLEAGUES WHO R REALLY

>> >>>> >> >> >> > DESPERATELY

>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND SINCERELY FINDING LOTS AND LOTS OF THINGS BY MEANS OF

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ASTROLOGY

>> >>>> >> >> >> > TO

>> >>>> >> >> >> > GIVE BENEFITS TO THE SOCIETY

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > THERE IS A GURUBANI QUOTE BHAYI PRAPAT MANUKH

>> DEOHRIA

>> >>>> >> >> >> > GOBIND

>> >>>> >> >> >> > MILAN KI EHO TERI BARIYA

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> AVAR

>> >>>> >> >> >> > KAAJ

>> >>>> >> >> >> > TERE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > KITE NAA KAAM MIL SAADH SANGAT BHAJ KEVAL NAAM

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > MEANS: FOR WHAT U HAVE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > GOT

>> >>>> >> >> >> > BIRTH

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ON

>> >>>> >> >> >> > THIS UNIVERSE? U HAVE GOT THIS HUMAN BODY TO MEET THE

>> SUPREME

>> >>>> >> >> >> > THE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE AND THAT TOO U CAN DO WITHIN THIS HUMAN BIRTH

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ONLY,YOUR

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ALL

>> >>>> >> >> >> > OTHER DEEDS WONT GIVE U ANYTHING AT ALL,ONLY AND ONLY

>> >>>> >> >> >> > RECITATION

>> >>>> >> >> >> > OF

>> >>>> >> >> >> > THE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE AND GETTING UNITED WITH IT IS YOUR GOAL.

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > in the last i would say, by the help

>> >>>> >> >> >> > of astrology everybody should try to find the sins or the

>> >>>> >> >> >> > sanchit

>> >>>> >> >> >> > karmas by means of planets and try to get rid of their

>> >>>> >> >> >> > influences

>> >>>> >> >> >> > by

>> >>>> >> >> >> > jap daan homas and sewa and many other means but should do

>> >>>> >> >> >> > these

>> >>>> >> >> >> > things

>> >>>> >> >> >> > sincerely and with a fear in mind that i have to get out

>> >>>> >> >> >> > of

>> >>>> >> >> >> > this

>> >>>> >> >> >> > cycle

>> >>>> >> >> >> > or any bad habit which i am having because of the planets

>> bad

>> >>>> >> >> >> > influence, because of sanchit karmas.so we r here to get

>> >>>> >> >> >> > lessons

>> >>>> >> >> >> > from

>> >>>> >> >> >> > our previous births and lead a new life in this birth with

>> >>>> >> >> >> > the

>> >>>> >> >> >> > help

>> >>>> >> >> >> > of

>> >>>> >> >> >> > astrology by trying to rectifying our bad vices and lusts

>> for

>> >>>> >> >> >> > life

>> >>>> >> >> >> > and

>> >>>> >> >> >> > try to become detached from worldly deeds.sorry everybody

>> if

>> >>>> >> >> >> > i

>> >>>> >> >> >> > had

>> >>>> >> >> >> > written anything wrong and ever hurt any body sentiments..

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > Regards

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > MS KONDAL

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ________________________________

>> >>>> >> >> >> > kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:53:08 AM

>> >>>> >> >> >> > Re: Ashok ji; why study

>> >>>> >> >> >> > astrology?

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > Respected Ashok ji; since the day u asked " why am i

>> >>>> >> >> >> > interested

>> >>>> >> >> >> > in

>> >>>> >> >> >> > study of astrology " i was looking for an answer. I read

>> >>>> >> >> >> > Osho's

>> >>>> >> >> >> > article

>> >>>> >> >> >> > on astrology he writes " JYOTISH SAMPOORANTA, EAKTA AUR

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ADVAIT

>> >>>> >> >> >> > KA

>> >>>> >> >> >> > VIGYAN HAI " . Regards. Kulbir.

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ > wrote:

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Kulbir Ji,

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Thanks a lots.

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Best of regards

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Ashok Singh

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@

>> gmail.com>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > wrote:

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Re: Health, Sucess/Failure (HOW

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > MUCH

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > ??

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > )

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Monday, June 15, 2009, 11:36 AM

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Ashok ji, page 155-157 of 1952 part 3 uploaded by Nirmal

>> ji

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > ....

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > SEHAT, BIMARI, NAFA, NUKSAAN, FATEH, SHIKASAT (these

>> words

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > include

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > all

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > of ur querries) har do pehlu ke liye yahi asool honge.

>> This

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > line

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > is

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > 2nd line under subhead BIMAARI on page 155 as ref.

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > above.

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > But

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > my

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > friend this is not all inclusive. e.g. Bimari of aathraa

>> is

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > explained

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > in farmaan no. 161 1939 volume. Go in for short cuts

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > only

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > in

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > desperate

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > situation. For study and research follow guidelines

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > given

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > by

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > pt.

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Ji

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > in

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > SARSARI NOTE Regards. Kulbir.

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ > wrote:

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Kulbir Ji,

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Thanks for the reply. If you can write me where in lal

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> kitab

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> written

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> how

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> to

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> evaluate

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> the native range of success, that would be great.

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> I am very much interested in the intensity(scale) of

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> health,

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> success

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> or

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> failure.

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Best regards

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Ashok Singh

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> --- On Fri, 6/12/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@

>> gmail.com>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> wrote:

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Re: Health, Sucess/Failure

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> (HOW

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> MUCH

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> ?? )

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Friday, June 12, 2009, 12:03 PM

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Ashok ji, what u are saying is represented loosely by

>> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> term

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> oxymoron. Secondly health and success may be related

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> somehow.

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> But

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> illness is no deterent to success. Then success in

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> which

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> field?

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> It

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> has

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> to be specific. Lastly the dictum that all houses and

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> planets

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> have

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> to

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> be considered before reaching a conclusion. This type

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> of

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> isolated

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> study is against the basic rules of lalkitab. Regards.

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Kulbir.

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> On 6/12/09, y2k_aksingh <y2k_aksingh@ > wrote:

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> Dear Members,

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> In a horoscope priciple to see health,sucess/ failure

>> is

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> same.

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> Can we find range of sucess as in Lal kitab written

>> HNo.

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> 10

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> shows

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> the intensity of illiness does it applicable for

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> sucess

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> also.

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> It would be really appreciated.

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> My real goal is to find HOW MUCH i.e. what would be

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> range

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> of

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> sucess.

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> Thanks

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> Ashok

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> --

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>> >>

>> >>

[Guest guest]

dear kulbir ji , first of all hello to you and pranaam to all of our seniors and colleagues,actually i was out, not at my place for the last few days .today i read all the mails and was surprised to see everything

happened. first of all let me clear this that i really felt very bad when i read in your mail in which u had said that you will stop writing.as far as i know you and prabhakar ji ,both of u had contributed a lot to the group till date and and will keep on continuing giving your valuable advices and research work to students like us.i know how both of you and many others have worked hard for this group .and i have seen that how deeply you go to any

point. as we know that any writer is free to express his or her own feelings freely.there is no harm in telling your views to others and and listening to others with a patience is another art which is rather more difficult and any astrologer has to master it. discussion is always good .all of us are matured enough not to act in such a manner and in hurry.if this topic has become such a reason that kulbir ji is saying that he will stop writing.then i would prefer to stop discussing at such topic and request other

members to start some common topic. i think in the book for people like us it is written " yuun to firte hain lakhon kroron daana sayane jo khoob kar k dekha aakhir khuda ki baatein khuda hi jaane"prabhakar ji, kulbir ji nirmal ji and many others are the main pillars of this group.and i know that this is a temporary snag and it will go from now onwards.yeh lal

kitab hai hi aisi ki aadmi jis kissi bhi chhez ko mukh rakh kar padega us ko woh hi dikhna shuru ho jata hai ,and he is lost in that.and this is the beauty of this book.is mein padne wale ka koi kassoor nahin.i really feel sorry if i had hurt either your or any body feelings . regardsMS KONDAL kulbir bance <kulbirbance Sent: Monday, July 6, 2009 12:07:41 AMRe: Why study Astrology?- Request to Mr. KulbirYogesh ji, i understand ur point. I was doing what i learned fromthem. I was instructed that writing something that gives theimpression that it is ur original thought but actually borrowed fromsomeone or gifted by someone means AMAANAT ME KHAYANAT. I will stopwriting but it is a request to allow me a last mail on the subjectwhere i will quote the name of the author and the book. The publisheris a member of this group and hopefully he won't drag me intocopyright issue.

Credibility is not an issue with me. Credit should goto persons who taught me. But i agree with u, it is their belonging,why should i intervene, it is there discretion when and whom to give.I admit i committed a mistake but it was in good faith. One last mailtommorrow and then i quit writing. Thanks for ur concern. Kulbir.On 7/5/09, yogesh jaitely <yogesh.jaitely wrote:> Dear Kulbir Ji,> The request of Sh. Pardeep Kumar Sharma is genuine. almost, in every mail> you quote the name of one or another member of the group in about their> views of the subject. Mr.Kondal,Pardeep, Umesh, Yograj etc are the members> of this group and they can themselve say what they want to quote. You should> give your own views. you should refrain from using others name. This may> some times

create awkward position for others like Pardeep kumar this time> has and also give question mark to the credibility of the person quoting> others name.> Your mailsshow the depth of knowledge you have in the subject. Please shower> your that knowledge.> Please don't mind.> Yogesh>> On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 7:13 PM, PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA <lalkitab_l> wrote:>>>>>>> Respected kulbir ji>> There is a humble request with folded hands.Pl. donot quote my name in any>> reference in this group.I am a big zero in this field and try to learn a>> word or two by reading the mails of this group and Dr. Upadhaya group. I>> donot know whether i would be able to learn abc in this birth. you all>> are>>

requested to keep your blessing on me as before .>>>>>> ------------------------------>> ** kulbir bance <kulbirbance>> *To:* >> *Sent:* Wednesday, 1 July, 2009 11:58:22 PM>> *Subject:* Re: Why study Astrology?>>>> Respected Kondal Sahib, Pardeep sharma ji told me that read lalkitab>> as a spiritual book. Unki agya sar mathe. I have started my study>> afresh. I am stuck at pakka ghar khanna no.2 line PHAL 2-11 APNA APNA>> DHARAM MANDIR GURUDWARA MEIN . What is the difference between dharam>> mandir and gurudwara. Regards. Kulbir.>>>> On 7/1/09, maneshwar singh

kondal <mskondal wrote:>> > dear kulbir ji,>> > you are true what you have said and i do agree>> with>> > it but again it depends on that how you attain education. any vidya or>> > education learned by self i mean to say not under the guidence of guru>> leads>> > the disciple to proudness{ahakar} and education learned under the>> guidence>> > of the guru leads the disciple to higher ends of life and down to earth>> > tendecy and disciple gets blessed too and further more doors are opened>> for>> > higher learning otherwise apne aap vidya pad k ahankaar yukt ho kar>> > vidyaarthi bhatakna mein phas jata

hain.>> >>> >>> there>> > is a classic reference from ancient granths and that is the conversation>> > between rishiudalik and his son shwetketu.in which shwetketu after>> learning>> > all the vedas ,and other granths from the age of twelve to twenty four>> years>> > return home and very proudly says to his father on returning that i have>> > learnt all the vedas and different scriptures and i am fully versed in>> > them,you ask me anything i will answer and at that very moment his>> > father>> > said>> > that have you learnt that education or vidya with which one is able to>> learn>> > all the things.nothing is left to be learnt.one becomes to hear the>> > unhearble also and after knowing which nothing is left to learn .and it>>

is>> > in scriptures that at that very moment the son realised that what sort>> > of>> > mistake he has done and at that very moment he bowed in front of his>> father>> > and tells him to become his guru and give him the said education.it is>> worth>> > reading the conversation between the father and son .>> >>> > whenever we will meet i will narrate u the whole in detail and we can>> > discuss openly.its a long conversation but full of knowledge.there are>> > always lots and lots of schools each and every school differs in its>> > thoughts but their prime moto is to help the humanity instead of only>> self>> > .but that is the best in which one helps humanity also and on the same>> hand>> > leads himself also to higher spiritual plane .>>

>>> > Regards>> > MS KONDAL>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > ________________________________>> > kulbir bance <kulbirbance>> > >> > Wednesday, July 1, 2009 7:02:04 PM>> > Re: Why study Astrology?>> >>> > Respected Kondal Sahib, the first day i went to astrology class the>> > teacher there gave a lecture. A person went to lord Buddha and>> > requested that he had some questions to ask. Lord Buddha said i will>> > answer all ur questions but before that u will have to live here in>>

> the sangh for one whole year. I will impose no conditions, do whatever>> > u like but take care not to disturb others. He agreed, lived there,>> > heard lords discourses.. After one year lord called him and asked. Now>> > ask whatever questions u have. The person with folded hands said>> > "saare prashan hi gir gaye ab poochne ko kuch raha hi nahin" so is the>> > case with lalkitab. All it requires patience and faith, then all>> > questions drop slowly. What can be more spiritual than this. Regards.>> > Kulbir.>> >>> > On 7/1/09, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal wrote:>> >>>> >> dated:1-7-2009>> >> dear kulbir ji,>> >>

very well said blessed persons like pundit jee>> never>> >> feel any binding in giving or distributing knowledge and they find no>> >> difference in humanity.>> >>>> >> Gurus work is to open the knot rightly and forever.>> >>>> >> when ever something good is written or explored in that case it is done>> >> for>> >> the whole mankind by the holy persons and such blessed like pundit ji>> are>> >> always free of bondages and the clutches of getting fame and praise for>> >> whatever they have done or are doing ,they are the trend setters .>> >> already mentioned any dignity or any good soul rather i will say>> >> blessed>> >> soul wont feel any bondages or bindings on giving and

sharing whatever>> he>> >> or>> >> she has experienced or learned in his life.>> >> no one can>> >> impose>> >> anything on anybody it is everyones free will whether to accept or>> reject>> >> the proposal but if there is pure truth in the saying or teaching>> whatever>> >> is said no one can deny it because that saying will reflect in one or>> >> another manner in your life and you have to accept it.>> >>>> >> i think all might be thinking that in this topic we till date havent>> >> discussed anything on remedial measure or astrological part but

let me>> >> tell>> >> you this topic is really necessary to be discussed prior to all,because>> >> astrology itself is full of how,what, when,why and many more questions>> and>> >> anyone whosoever want to read or study astrology ,for him the foremost>> >> question for him would arise that for what he is learning astrology?>> >>>> >> is he learning astrology for himself?>> >> or learning to get rid of self problems.u might have>> seen>> >> that most of the people who are astrologers these days ,had gone>> through>> >> really tough time in their past and decided to learn it.>> >>

or told to do so because of their family tradition as is>> >> done in pundits families,family tradition.>> >> or person really want to serve the humanity selflessly>> >> like>> >> pundit jee.>> >> or to make money as these days lot of people think>> >> that>> >> astrology is a very good tool for making money.>> >> in all i would like to say that it depends>> on>> >> us that how do we see to get ourself attached with the learning.from>> that>> >> very starting point our intentions and further results of outcomings>>

could>> >> be derived eithr positive or negative outcome.>> >>>> >> it is rightly said>> >>>> >> " nazraein badli to nazare badal gaye>> >> kishti badli to kinare badal gaye.">> >>>> >> our senior Sh. Yograjji has written very>> >> nicely>> >> what he has felt and observed by being a witness and has expressed his>> >> feelings on the ongoing discussion.i am slow in writing.i would preffer>> to>> >> have discussion by sitting face

to face with each other because there>> are>> >> too many things which we can discuss easily and fluently and that too>> >> in>> >> big>> >> numbers but when it comes to writing person like me fells handicaped.>> >>>> >> otherwise i know this topic will make every one to think atleast once>> that>> >> what is their soul purpose of learning or study astrology?>> >>>> >> Regards,>> >> MS KONDAL>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> ________________________________>> >> kulbir bance <kulbirbance>> >> >> >> Wednesday, July 1, 2009 10:44:31 AM>> >> Re: Why study Astrology?>> >>>> >> Guruji, what pt ji has written in lalkitab and what his contemporaries>> >> say about his life style clearly shows that pt ji was a very broad>> >> minded person. He has clearly written in SARSARI NOTE what is required>> >> to understand this book. Some extra tools can make the job easier e.g.>> >> Pt ji did the calculation part manually but now softwares are used.>> >> Guru may be helpful in that sense but the guru should not be such as>> >> he binds the subject. Pt ji was open minded to such an extent that he>> >> laid great stress on purani rasme, kul purohit etc. He hinself

didn't>> >> wanted to be a guru. He gave whatever he had without any bondages.>> >> Reccommending something that might be helpful but Imposing is not>> >> right. Regards. Kulbir.>> >>>> >> On 6/30/09, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote:>> >>> Dear Kulbir ji>> >>>>> >>> First of all, I strongly object to the conspiracy initiated by you and>> >>> Jitin>> >>> against me to deprive me of the title "The Dumbest". Mind you, I am>> >>> the>> >>> most>> >>> eligible person for this title in the field of Lal Kitab.>> >>>>> >>> Since I have nothing to do with this spirituality thing, I am

unable>> >>> to>> >>> comment on that. But "je ghoDi chaDhaya nee – taan chaDhdey taan>> batherey>> >>> dekhey hi ney. So I would humbly like to convey to my learned>> colleagues>> >>> in>> >>> the forum that in my view spirituality in not like boasting of>> >>> "having">> >>> something special, rather it's a process of becoming the absolute>> >>> ZERO.>> >>> I>> >>> believe that this Zero status can be achieved without possessing>> anything>> >>> special, but an open mind. I know many such people who are living in>> >>> this>> >>> materialistic world but still possess the high degree of this quality.>> >>>>> >>> Now, a few words about

Guru. My dear friends, a Guru is not>> necessarily>> >>> a>> >>> human being. An ideology, an idea, a theory, even a good saying can be>> >>> one's>> >>> Guru. Moreover in my personal humble opinion, those whom Pundit jee>> >>> has>> >>> selected to spread the knowledge of divine Lal Kitab, those who are>> >>> fortunate enough to touch these sacred scriptures, do not require any>> >>> other>> >>> Guru or Sad-Guru for the matter, or did they?>> >>>>> >>> I don't know what the spirituality or Guru means to others. But I>> expect>> >>> every true Lal kitab student to be a broad minded like Pundit jee and>> >>> always>> >>> ready to share. I hate the tendency of "chunj

Dubowan – par lukowan">> >>> adopted>> >>> by some of our exalted colleagues. No one should feel himself free of>> his>> >>> sacred duties after writing a few mails in the group, it is a>> >>> perpetual>> >>> process and everybody has to work hard to complete the task assigned>> >>> by>> >>> Pundit jee. So my dear friends, no half measure will do. Further>> >>> propagation>> >>> of such fatal tendencies will lead us to nowhere.>> >>>>> >>> I read all the beautiful posts, and the following is my observation:>> >>>>> >>> (1). whatever Mr Sumit has written, reflects whatever he has been>> >>> "Taught".>> >>> (2). whatever Mr Jitin has expressed, indicates whatever

he has>> >>> "Learned".>> >>> (3). whatever Mr Kulbir has written, clearly shows whatever he has>> >>> "Learned>> >>> and experienced".>> >>> (4). Whatever Acharya MS Kondal sahib has written is the part and>> parcel>> >>> of>> >>> his "Basic training".>> >>> (5). and whatever I have expressed in the above lines is, whatever I>> >>> "felt".>> >>>>> >>> I will share those interesting fables on an appropriate time as>> >>> desired>> >>> by>> >>> you.>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> Sincerely>> >>> Yograj Prabhakar>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> , kulbir bance <kulbirbance>> >>> wrote:>> >>>>>> >>>> Syal ji, i am the dumbest, don't have a Satguru so i know totally>> >>>> nothing about Sumeet ji's method but it has an appeal moresoever when>> >>>> Kondal Sahib's endorses. U asked Where to sign for sure shot>> >>>> remedies?>> >>>> I can only share my practical experience. Remedial portion involves>> >>>> an>> >>>> extra dimension. Prabhakar ji is a guru. He explained this dimension>> >>>> by telling a mythological story of Ek Pathi Ek Munda. These fables>> >>>> might not have actually happenned but the essence is a saar

of>> >>>> observation of thousands of years which the seers observed. I come>> >>>> from a rural background so i understood it in punjabi. I don't have>> >>>> any forbiddance from his side to hide anything that i got from him.>> >>>> But i would like him to translate it and send it in english also the>> >>>> story of Buggla phadna and Syani Jethani Kamali Dewarani. Because>> >>>> translation by 2nd person is not that effective. If he refuses then i>> >>>> will do so without even asking for his permission. Let me explain the>> >>>> reason for this also Lord Buddha prophecised that he will be>> >>>> reincarnated in our/this present time by the name of MAITRAY people>> >>>> are waiting for him. Some spiritual sects even experimented to

bring>> >>>> his soul in a body. Even a young boy (J Krishnamurthy's elder>> >>>> brother)>> >>>> died in this process. BUT WHAT LORD BUDDHA MEANT TO CONVEY TO HIS>> >>>> DISCIPLES WAS THAT GURU IN THESE TIMES WILL BE A FRIEND this is>> >>>> actual>> >>>> meaning that he conveyed by MAITRAY. So Prabhakar ji and Senior>> >>>> members of this and other lalkitab groups are like maitray guru to>> >>>> me.>> >>>> Prabhakar ji being one of those with whom i quarrell with, abuse him,>> >>>> yet i recieve his blessings his doors are always open knowing very>> >>>> well what guru dakshina i have to offer. So i request him to tell>> >>>> himself these in larger interest. Otherwise i am always at

ur>> >>>> service.>> >>>> Regards . Kulbir.>> >>>>>> >>>> On 6/27/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82 wrote:>> >>>> > Kulbir ji,>> >>>> > I don't know sumit ji and his caliber and neither do i doubt it. i>> >>>> > just>> >>>> > know>> >>>> > one thing i am probably the dumbest student in this group and>> nowhere>> >>>> > near>> >>>> > as any one else here.>> >>>> > but don't you think he needs to know the true meaning of life>> >>>> > before>> >>>> > touching/ "being one" with god?>> >>>> >>> >>>> > He is saying that "naam-jaap" is the only true way to

success,if>> >>>> > that's>> >>>> > the>> >>>> > case............ where do i sign?>> >>>> >>> >>>> > Regards>> >>>> > Jitin Syal>> >>>> >>> >>>> > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>>> >>>> > wrote:>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> Syal ji, u r right, two concepts should be clear 1. Meaning of>> >>>> >> success>> >>>> >> 2. Explanation about the methodology. Lets hope Sumeet ji>> >>>> >> explains.>> >>>> >> His explanation of horoscope matching is

simply amazing. It shows>> >>>> >> that>> >>>> >> he has a very high calibre. He writes 81 in his id. As per my>> >>>> >> assumption if that is his birth year then such knowledge at this>> age>> >>>> >> is a karishma. He indeed is a blessed soul. Regards. Kulbir.>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> On 6/26/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@> wrote:>> >>>> >> > Kulbir paaji,>> >>>> >> > I always feel that we(humans) are here to balance our negative,>> >>>> >> > positives>> >>>> >> > from previous births.. if someone doesn't have something in this>> >>>> >> > world>> >>>> >> > he>> >>>>

>> > is>> >>>> >> > just paying for his sins or vice versa. Even Pt. ji has left the>> >>>> >> > "greh>> >>>> >> > phal">> >>>> >> > planets untouched as somethings can't be changed.>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> > I totally agree that, any unnecessary intervention with>> Almighty's>> >>>> >> > plan>> >>>> >> > WILL>> >>>> >> > backfire, hence my point was to ask sumit ji to elaborate their>> >>>> >> > option/way>> >>>> >> > one where he has predicted a "sure shot" at success.>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> > yours sincerely>> >>>>

>> > Jitin Syal>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>> >>> >>>> >> > wrote:>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> Syal ji, sumeet ji will answer ur querry. I would like to share>> a>> >>>> >> >> fact. After world war the ratio of male child increased>> >>>> >> >> dramatically>> >>>> >> >> as compared to female child. 1600 : 1000. Secondly>> >>>> >> >> determination>> >>>> >> >> of>> >>>> >> >> gender at conception has

parameters that are generally beyond>> >>>> >> >> human>> >>>> >> >> control. But still nature has maintained the balance that life>> >>>> >> >> goes>> >>>> >> >> on. Imagind a scenario if only male or only female child>> continued>> >>>> >> >> say>> >>>> >> >> for even a century. But it has not happenned. Why? There is a>> >>>> >> >> divine>> >>>> >> >> scheme, jyotish is a tool to understand it. This divine scheme>> and>> >>>> >> >> individual interests creat a confusion. Upaya may be suggessted>> >>>> >> >> but>> >>>> >> >> the upayagar should have knowledge of

the divine scheme.>> >>>> >> >> Unneccessary>> >>>> >> >> intervention will not yield results in the first place and if>> does>> >>>> >> >> somebody is going to pay for it. Written very clearly in>> lalkitab.>> >>>> >> >> Guru is a kind of superimposition on a person's mind to keep>> >>>> >> >> him>> >>>> >> >> ever>> >>>> >> >> alert. Regards. Kulbir.>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> On 6/25/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@> wrote:>> >>>> >> >> > Sumit ji,>> >>>> >> >> > Are you saying that option one is a gauranteed>> success/remedial>>

>>>> >> >> > measure>> >>>> >> >> > without any risk of "backfire" or loss of spirituality??>> >>>> >> >> > if so, please elaborate further.>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> > Regards>> >>>> >> >> > Jitin Syal>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> > , "sumitbansal_81">> >>>> >> >> > <sumitbansal_81@>>> >>>> >> >> > wrote:>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> Respected All,>> >>>>

>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> It is indeed a pleasure in itself to see and read such a>> >>>> >> >> >> beautiful>> >>>> >> >> >> topic>> >>>> >> >> >> related to Astrology which clearly outlines the true nature>> and>> >>>> >> >> >> objective>> >>>> >> >> >> of Astrology. Kondalji has given us a marvelous insight in>> the>> >>>> >> >> >> basic>> >>>> >> >> >> idea>> >>>> >> >> >> towards the mere existance of the Jyotish Shastra. It is>> righly>> >>>> >> >> >> said>> >>>> >> >>

>> that>> >>>> >> >> >> Jyotish is the "ISHVARIYA JYOTI" and is a guiding light of>> each>> >>>> >> >> >> and>> >>>> >> >> >> every>> >>>> >> >> >> human being towards achieving the "Ultimate Goal" - to>> >>>> >> >> >> become>> >>>> >> >> >> "One">> >>>> >> >> >> with>> >>>> >> >> >> the GOD by providing the means to initiate the purification>> >>>> >> >> >> process>> >>>> >> >> >> of>> >>>> >> >> >> "Chitt" and "Mann".>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>>

>> >> >> However, even when there are millions of human beings taking>> >>>> >> >> >> birth>> >>>> >> >> >> on>> >>>> >> >> >> this>> >>>> >> >> >> planet earth, not even one percent of them ever think about>> the>> >>>> >> >> >> reason>> >>>> >> >> >> as>> >>>> >> >> >> why are they born and what is the specific task assigned to>> >>>> >> >> >> them>> >>>> >> >> >> by>> >>>> >> >> >> that>> >>>> >> >> >> one Supreme God and which is the specific path, he/she has>> >>>>

>> >> >> to>> >>>> >> >> >> tread>> >>>> >> >> >> in>> >>>> >> >> >> order to achieve or fulfill that specific task?>> >>>> >> >> >> And the saddest part of the story is that by the time one>> >>>> >> >> >> realizes>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> need and authenticity of these questions, there is not>> >>>> >> >> >> enough>> >>>> >> >> >> time>> >>>> >> >> >> left>> >>>> >> >> >> for him to achieve the set goal. A very famous Bollywood>> >>>> >> >> >>

Song>> >>>> >> >> >> has>> >>>> >> >> >> rightly>> >>>> >> >> >> described this situaltion in the following lines:>> >>>> >> >> >> "Ladakpan Khel Mein Khoya,>> >>>> >> >> >> Jawaani Neend Bhar Soya,>> >>>> >> >> >> Burhahpa Dekh Kar Roya,>> >>>> >> >> >> Yehi Kissa Puraana Hai.">> >>>> >> >> >> But Jyoish is that devine light which can help an individual>> by>> >>>> >> >> >> breaking>> >>>> >> >> >> the spell of his slumber just as the light of

the morning>> >>>> >> >> >> sun>> >>>> >> >> >> awakes>> >>>> >> >> >> a>> >>>> >> >> >> sleeping person.>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> Spiritualism oozes from each and every aspect of Jyotish>> >>>> >> >> >> Shastra.>> >>>> >> >> >> The>> >>>> >> >> >> only>> >>>> >> >> >> consideration is the "View Point" or "Nazar" by which anyone>> >>>> >> >> >> looks>> >>>> >> >> >> at>> >>>> >> >> >> it.>> >>>> >> >>

>> To illustrate, I can provide a very simple example of>> >>>> >> >> >> "Horoscope>> >>>> >> >> >> Matching".>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> Every human being has some kind of desire(s) present in his>> >>>> >> >> >> heart>> >>>> >> >> >> and>> >>>> >> >> >> these desires then lead to the formation of "Aasha" and>> >>>> >> >> >> "Trishna".>> >>>> >> >> >> This>> >>>> >> >> >> in>> >>>> >> >> >> turn leads to the creation of the "Karma" which ultimately>> >>>> >> >> >>

culminate>> >>>> >> >> >> in>> >>>> >> >> >> the formation of "Paap" and "Punya". These Paap and Punya>> >>>> >> >> >> are>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> deciding>> >>>> >> >> >> factors of the type and quality of the next life which this>> >>>> >> >> >> jeevatma>> >>>> >> >> >> has>> >>>> >> >> >> to undergo.>> >>>> >> >> >> Now the ultimate Goal of any individual is to become one>> >>>> >> >> >> with>> >>>> >> >> >> GOD>> >>>> >> >> >>

or>> >>>> >> >> >> to>> >>>> >> >> >> attain the state of "Adwait" and this can only be done by>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> purification>> >>>> >> >> >> of "Chitt" and "Mann" which can be attained by the>> purification>> >>>> >> >> >> of>> >>>> >> >> >> "Karma">> >>>> >> >> >> and this is the exact point where Jyotish comes into play.>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> Anyone can Purify the Karmas in Two Ways, either using both>> or>> >>>> >> >> >> any>> >>>> >>

>> >> one>> >>>> >> >> >> of>> >>>> >> >> >> the two. And the two ways are:>> >>>> >> >> >> 1. Naam Jaap - where the "Naam" is given by a "Sat-Guru">> >>>> >> >> >> and>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> "Sat-Guru" himself is guiding the person.>> >>>> >> >> >> 2. Dividing or Cutting his Atma into few smaller pieces>> and>> >>>> >> >> >> then>> >>>> >> >> >> purifying them one by one.>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> "YES, ATMA CAN ALSO BE CUT." and this is the ultimate

truth>> of>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> spirituality which if understood properly, will describe as>> how>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> GOD>> >>>> >> >> >> is>> >>>> >> >> >> keeping himself alive or "Amar". I cannot describe more here>> >>>> >> >> >> due>> >>>> >> >> >> to>> >>>> >> >> >> "Guru>> >>>> >> >> >> Agya" but, the only hint I can give is that a "Sperm" or>> "Beej">> >>>> >> >> >> created>> >>>> >> >> >> inside the human body is

as much living as we are and we all>> >>>> >> >> >> are>> >>>> >> >> >> made>> >>>> >> >> >> from>> >>>> >> >> >> this "Sperm" and we all have atma. Female Egg can only>> provide>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> breeding ground for this so called "Beej" but, cannot impart>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> "Atma">> >>>> >> >> >> in>> >>>> >> >> >> the "Beej". So, where does this "Atma" comes into the "Beej">> >>>> >> >> >> ????>> >>>> >> >> >> Yes,>>

>>>> >> >> >> you>> >>>> >> >> >> guessed it right, it is the "Ansh" of our own "Atma". And in>> >>>> >> >> >> this>> >>>> >> >> >> particular sense, each Father is just like "Param-Atma" to>> his>> >>>> >> >> >> offspring.>> >>>> >> >> >> So, it is the atma of the Father which is cut into pieces>> >>>> >> >> >> everytime>> >>>> >> >> >> sperms>> >>>> >> >> >> leaves his body. "No further explanation on this part can be>> >>>> >> >> >> given>> >>>> >> >> >> here>> >>>> >> >> >> due

to the sensitivity of the topic">> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> Now, if you are using the option "One" only then it is>> >>>> >> >> >> "Okay">> >>>> >> >> >> in>> >>>> >> >> >> all>> >>>> >> >> >> sense. However, if you are using the Option "Two" or "Both>> the>> >>>> >> >> >> options",>> >>>> >> >> >> then there is a catch that the "Ansh" or "Beej of your Atma">> >>>> >> >> >> might>> >>>> >> >> >> not>> >>>> >> >> >> get>> >>>> >> >> >> a proper breeding ground which

might result into creation of>> >>>> >> >> >> more>> >>>> >> >> >> desire>> >>>> >> >> >> in the Beej due to lack of the proper "Nutrients" which a>> Beej>> >>>> >> >> >> might>> >>>> >> >> >> take>> >>>> >> >> >> from Mother which will again create "Aasha" and "Trishna">> >>>> >> >> >> and>> >>>> >> >> >> so>> >>>> >> >> >> on>> >>>> >> >> >> to>> >>>> >> >> >> "Paap" and "Punya". And if this happens, then, the Beej>> >>>> >> >> >> again>> >>>>

>> >> >> has>> >>>> >> >> >> to>> >>>> >> >> >> go>> >>>> >> >> >> through the complete cycle of "Chauraasi".>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> As explained above, the so called "Nutrients" are nothing>> >>>> >> >> >> but>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> "Guna">> >>>> >> >> >> of the Mother and the "Actual Requirement of the Beej" is>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> "Guna">> >>>> >> >> >> of>> >>>> >> >> >> the Father.

So, if there is a mismatch between the two, then>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> Option>> >>>> >> >> >> Two is bound to fail which will create more distress in the>> >>>> >> >> >> human>> >>>> >> >> >> society.>> >>>> >> >> >> AND TO BE HONEST, OPTION TWO IS THE ONE WHICH IS BEING USED>> IN>> >>>> >> >> >> A>> >>>> >> >> >> VERY>> >>>> >> >> >> VERY>> >>>> >> >> >> VERY LARGE PROPORTION WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE ACTUAL TRUTH>> >>>> >> >> >> BEHIND>> >>>> >> >> >>

THE>> >>>> >> >> >> USE OF THIS OPTION. AND ONLY JYOTISH IS CAPABLE OF>> >>>> >> >> >> RECTIFYING>> >>>> >> >> >> THIS>> >>>> >> >> >> MISTAKE>> >>>> >> >> >> OF MAN AND SHOWING AS HOW TO BEGET WORTHY CHILDREN BY PROPER>> >>>> >> >> >> MATCHING>> >>>> >> >> >> OF>> >>>> >> >> >> SOIL AND SEED.>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> This clearly shows the Criticality as why Horoscope Matching>> is>> >>>> >> >> >> so>> >>>> >> >> >> important and the undefiable relationship between

Jyotish>> >>>> >> >> >> and>> >>>> >> >> >> Aadhyatam.>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> In the end I can only say that Option One is the only True>> >>>> >> >> >> Option>> >>>> >> >> >> as>> >>>> >> >> >> Option Two is just like using a shortcut which has the>> >>>> >> >> >> reputation>> >>>> >> >> >> of>> >>>> >> >> >> "Backfiring Percentage" set at 99.99% as the Jyotish Shastra>> is>> >>>> >> >> >> not>> >>>> >> >> >> being>> >>>> >> >>

>> used as required. No one literally know as how to implement>> the>> >>>> >> >> >> jyotish>> >>>> >> >> >> shastra. All just know one thing and that is how to do the>> upai>> >>>> >> >> >> and>> >>>> >> >> >> that>> >>>> >> >> >> also incorrect. If you are playing with gun loaded bullets,>> and>> >>>> >> >> >> you>> >>>> >> >> >> don't>> >>>> >> >> >> know how to use the gun properly, then at least cover>> yourself>> >>>> >> >> >> with>> >>>> >> >> >> a>> >>>> >> >> >>

bulletproof dress first. Providing or telling Upai of>> something>> >>>> >> >> >> so>> >>>> >> >> >> much>> >>>> >> >> >> spiritual will only erode you spiritually unless and untill>> you>> >>>> >> >> >> have>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> required "Guru Kripa".>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> I tender my apologies for being rude or harsh. My purpose of>> >>>> >> >> >> writing>> >>>> >> >> >> this>> >>>> >> >> >> was not to offend anyone but to provide the exact scenario>>

>>>> >> >> >> as>> >>>> >> >> >> what>> >>>> >> >> >> is>> >>>> >> >> >> being done and what could it lead to. If I have hurt the>> >>>> >> >> >> feelings>> >>>> >> >> >> of>> >>>> >> >> >> anyone, then please ask yourself, "Do you really have the>> >>>> >> >> >> required>> >>>> >> >> >> Bullet-Proof Suite?" You will get the answer yourself. The>> >>>> >> >> >> Supreme>> >>>> >> >> >> God>> >>>> >> >> >> speakes from the very inside of your "Chitt" or>> "Ghat-Mandir".>>

>>>> >> >> >> Listen>> >>>> >> >> >> to>> >>>> >> >> >> him and you will get the answer.....>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> Whatever I have learned from my revered Guruji is as under:>> >>>> >> >> >> "Guru Kripa Se Hai Mila,>> >>>> >> >> >> Jiska Naam Sunaam.>> >>>> >> >> >> Ghat Ghat Mein Bole Jo Sabke,>> >>>> >> >> >> Hai Woh Atma Ram.">> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> Regards,>> >>>> >> >>

>> Sumit Bansal.>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> , maneshwar singh kondal>> >>>> >> >> >> <mskondal@>>> >>>> >> >> >> wrote:>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > date:18-6-2009>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > hello kulbir ji,>> >>>> >> >> >> >>>

>>>> >> >> >> > first of>> >>>> >> >> >> > all let me thank u for discussing such a vital point in>> >>>> >> >> >> > astrology>> >>>> >> >> >> > or>> >>>> >> >> >> > everybody life that why and for what we are doing any job>> as>> >>>> >> >> >> > quoted>> >>>> >> >> >> > by>> >>>> >> >> >> > u that why we are using or doing astrology.this is a very>> >>>> >> >> >> > crucial>> >>>> >> >> >> > point>> >>>> >>

>> >> > and i will try to contribute from myside what ever i know>> >>>> >> >> >> > openly>> >>>> >> >> >> > and>> >>>> >> >> >> > would like everybody to share their views on this topic>> >>>> >> >> >> > because>> >>>> >> >> >> > this>> >>>> >> >> >> > is>> >>>> >> >> >> > directly related to our spiritual enlightenment and>> >>>> >> >> >> > getting>> >>>> >> >> >> > in>> >>>> >> >> >> > touch>> >>>> >> >> >> > with god.this topic is never ending and i request

all>> members>> >>>> >> >> >> > to>> >>>> >> >> >> > keep>> >>>> >> >> >> > on writing their true experiences and findings regarding>> >>>> >> >> >> > spiritual>> >>>> >> >> >> > and>> >>>> >> >> >> > worldly astrology and try to differentiate between the>> >>>> >> >> >> > two.>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > as kulbir ji has quoted from osho's book the words>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>>

>>>> >> >> >> > jyotish>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > sampooranta>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > ekta>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > advait>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > all these words are self explanatry>> >>>> >> >> >> > but if we start explaining them then we will become short>> of>> >>>> >> >> >> > words>> >>>> >>

>> >> > but>> >>>> >> >> >> > i would say that if we compile all these in one word we>> >>>> >> >> >> > can>> >>>> >> >> >> > say>> >>>> >> >> >> > these>> >>>> >> >> >> > are the qualities of one and only one supreme and that is>> the>> >>>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE>> >>>> >> >> >> > GOD.>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > ACTUALLY WE ARE THE JEEVATMAS AND>> >>>> >> >> >> > ARE PART OF THE SUPREME LORD AND DUE TO VARIOUS JANAMAS>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND>>

>>>> >> >> >> > BIRTHS>> >>>> >> >> >> > LOT>> >>>> >> >> >> > OF MISCONCEPTIONS HAVE BEEN ENGRAVED IN OUR MINDS AND>> BECAUSE>> >>>> >> >> >> > OF>> >>>> >> >> >> > OUR>> >>>> >> >> >> > SANCHIT KARMAS AND DUE TO PRARABDH WE ARE GETTING BIRTHS>> >>>> >> >> >> > AGAIN>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND>> >>>> >> >> >> > AGAIN AND GETTING DETACHED FROM THE SUPREME DAY BY DAY TO>> >>>> >> >> >> > FULFIL>> >>>> >> >> >> > OUR>> >>>> >> >> >> > WORLDLY DEEDS,WHICH

ULTIMATELY LAND US NOWHERE ELSE THAN>> >>>> >> >> >> > REBIRTH>> >>>> >> >> >> > TO>> >>>> >> >> >> > FULFIL OUR DESIRES AND WE GET USED TO THE RE BIRTH CYCLE>> AND>> >>>> >> >> >> > CARRY>> >>>> >> >> >> > ON>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND FORGET OUR TRUE HOME THAT IS NONE OTHER THAN THE>> SUPREME>> >>>> >> >> >> > FATHER>> >>>> >> >> >> > GOD.BUT>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > REMEBER ONE THING>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >

HE WHO GIVES ,GIVES,GIVES,GIVES.......... AND FORGIVES>> IS>> >>>> >> >> >> > GOD>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > WHO GETS, GETS, GETS, GETS............. AND FORGETS>> >>>> >> >> >> > IS>> >>>> >> >> >> > HUMAN>> >>>> >> >> >> > BEING>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > THIS IS THE NATURE OF GOD>> >>>> >> >> >>

>>> >>>> >> >> >> > BUT THEN ALSO BECAUSE OF HIS>> >>>> >> >> >> > FORGIVING NATURE BY DEFAULT THE SUPREME HAS PROGRAMMED>> EACH>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND>> >>>> >> >> >> > EVERY>> >>>> >> >> >> > HUMAN MIND TO THINK OF ITSELF FOR THE ACTUAL TRUTH THAT>> >>>> >> >> >> > WHY>> >>>> >> >> >> > HE>> >>>> >> >> >> > IS>> >>>> >> >> >> > ON>> >>>> >> >> >> > THIS EARTH?WHY HE IS BORN,WHAT HE HAS TO DO,IS HE HERE FOR>> >>>> >> >> >> > MAKING>> >>>> >>

>> >> > MONEY>> >>>> >> >> >> > OR IS HE HERE TO ENJOY WOMEN OR IS HE HERE TO FOOL OTHERS>> OR>> >>>> >> >> >> > IS>> >>>> >> >> >> > HE>> >>>> >> >> >> > HERE>> >>>> >> >> >> > TO MAKE PROPERTY?>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND MANY MANY OTHER QUESTIONS, EVERY HUMAN THINKS IN HIS>> MIND>> >>>> >> >> >> > SOME>> >>>> >> >> >> > DAY>> >>>> >> >> >> > SOME TIME .>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > THOSE R LUCKY WHO THINK AT EARLY>> >>>> >>

>> >> > STAGE OF LIFE AND MANY THINK AT LATER AGE BUT ALL OF THEM>> TRY>> >>>> >> >> >> > TO>> >>>> >> >> >> > UNDERSTAND THE ACTUAL THING AND SOME R ABLE TO GET>> >>>> >> >> >> > ANSWERS>> >>>> >> >> >> > BUT>> >>>> >> >> >> > THEY>> >>>> >> >> >> > DONT HAVE THE TIME TO USE IT PRACTICALLY BECAUSE LIFE IS>> TOO>> >>>> >> >> >> > SHORT.>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > SO JYOTISH MEANS ISHVARIYA JYOTI AND EVERYBODY IS>>

>>>> >> >> >> > HAVING>> >>>> >> >> >> > A>> >>>> >> >> >> > PART OF IT BUT HOW MANY HAVE REALISED IT?>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > SAMPOORANTA MEANS WHO HAS MASTERD THE ALL>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > EKTA MEANS ONENESS>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > ADWAIT AGAIN THE>> >>>> >> >> >> > PERSON WHO HAS RAISED ABOVE FROM THE DVAIT BHAV THAT>>

MEANS>> >>>> >> >> >> > HE>> >>>> >> >> >> > HAS>> >>>> >> >> >> > NO>> >>>> >> >> >> > DIFFERENCE BETWEEN>> >>>> >> >> >> > T>> >>>> >> >> >> > - HE TWO. MEANS JO DO SE EK>> ROOP>> >>>> >> >> >> > HO>> >>>> >> >> >> > JAYE>> >>>> >> >> >> > .>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > AS I SAID IT IS JUST A START I

DONT>> >>>> >> >> >> > KNOW WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN ,BUT THIS IS THE TOPIC WHICH IS>> >>>> >> >> >> > ATTACHED>> >>>> >> >> >> > WITH>> >>>> >> >> >> > EVERY BODY LIFE SO KEEP ON DISCUSSING IT .PRADEEP SHARMA>> >>>> >> >> >> > JI>> >>>> >> >> >> > WAS>> >>>> >> >> >> > TELLING>> >>>> >> >> >> > ME MOST OF THE TIMES THAT I SHOULD START SUCH A TOPIC BUT>> >>>> >> >> >> > I>> >>>> >> >> >> > WAS>> >>>> >> >> >> > WAITING>> >>>> >> >> >> > REALLY FOR THE

DAY, THAT THERE WILL BE A DAY WHEN SOME ONE>> >>>> >> >> >> > WILL>> >>>> >> >> >> > COME>> >>>> >> >> >> > OUT OF SO MANY LEARNED PEOPLE AND WILL ASK FOR THE TRUE>> >>>> >> >> >> > MEANING>> >>>> >> >> >> > OF>> >>>> >> >> >> > ASTROLOGY.YET I HAVE NOT WRITTEN MUCH BUT I WILL LOVE TO>> >>>> >> >> >> > WRITE>> >>>> >> >> >> > MORE>> >>>> >> >> >> > BECAUSE THIS IS THE QUESTION RELATED TO OUR TRUE SELF AND>> IT>> >>>> >> >> >> > IS>> >>>> >> >> >> > MY>> >>>>

>> >> >> > FOREMOST DUTY TO ANSWER AND WILL TRY TO TELL WHAT I>> >>>> >> >> >> > EXPERIENCED>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND>> >>>> >> >> >> > WILL LEARN FROM ALL MY SENIORS AND COLLEAGUES WHO R REALLY>> >>>> >> >> >> > DESPERATELY>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND SINCERELY FINDING LOTS AND LOTS OF THINGS BY MEANS OF>> >>>> >> >> >> > ASTROLOGY>> >>>> >> >> >> > TO>> >>>> >> >> >> > GIVE BENEFITS TO THE SOCIETY>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > THERE IS A GURUBANI

QUOTE BHAYI PRAPAT MANUKH>> DEOHRIA>> >>>> >> >> >> > GOBIND>> >>>> >> >> >> > MILAN KI EHO TERI BARIYA>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> AVAR>> >>>> >> >> >> > KAAJ>> >>>> >> >> >> > TERE>> >>>> >> >> >> > KITE NAA KAAM MIL SAADH SANGAT BHAJ KEVAL NAAM>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > MEANS: FOR WHAT U HAVE>> >>>> >> >> >> > GOT>> >>>>

>> >> >> > BIRTH>> >>>> >> >> >> > ON>> >>>> >> >> >> > THIS UNIVERSE? U HAVE GOT THIS HUMAN BODY TO MEET THE>> SUPREME>> >>>> >> >> >> > THE>> >>>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE AND THAT TOO U CAN DO WITHIN THIS HUMAN BIRTH>> >>>> >> >> >> > ONLY,YOUR>> >>>> >> >> >> > ALL>> >>>> >> >> >> > OTHER DEEDS WONT GIVE U ANYTHING AT ALL,ONLY AND ONLY>> >>>> >> >> >> > RECITATION>> >>>> >> >> >> > OF>> >>>> >> >> >> > THE>> >>>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE AND GETTING UNITED WITH IT

IS YOUR GOAL.>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > in the last i would say, by the help>> >>>> >> >> >> > of astrology everybody should try to find the sins or the>> >>>> >> >> >> > sanchit>> >>>> >> >> >> > karmas by means of planets and try to get rid of their>> >>>> >> >> >> > influences>> >>>> >> >> >> > by>> >>>> >> >> >> > jap daan homas and sewa and many other means but should do>> >>>> >> >> >> > these>> >>>> >>

>> >> > things>> >>>> >> >> >> > sincerely and with a fear in mind that i have to get out>> >>>> >> >> >> > of>> >>>> >> >> >> > this>> >>>> >> >> >> > cycle>> >>>> >> >> >> > or any bad habit which i am having because of the planets>> bad>> >>>> >> >> >> > influence, because of sanchit karmas.so we r here to get>> >>>> >> >> >> > lessons>> >>>> >> >> >> > from>> >>>> >> >> >> > our previous births and lead a new life in this birth with>> >>>> >> >> >> > the>> >>>> >> >>

>> > help>> >>>> >> >> >> > of>> >>>> >> >> >> > astrology by trying to rectifying our bad vices and lusts>> for>> >>>> >> >> >> > life>> >>>> >> >> >> > and>> >>>> >> >> >> > try to become detached from worldly deeds.sorry everybody>> if>> >>>> >> >> >> > i>> >>>> >> >> >> > had>> >>>> >> >> >> > written anything wrong and ever hurt any body sentiments..>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > Regards>> >>>> >>

>> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > MS KONDAL>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > ________________________________>> >>>> >> >> >> > kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:53:08 AM>> >>>> >> >> >> > Re: Ashok ji; why study>> >>>> >> >> >> > astrology?>>

>>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > Respected Ashok ji; since the day u asked " why am i>> >>>> >> >> >> > interested>> >>>> >> >> >> > in>> >>>> >> >> >> > study of astrology" i was looking for an answer. I read>> >>>> >> >> >> > Osho's>> >>>> >> >> >> > article>> >>>> >> >> >> > on astrology he writes " JYOTISH SAMPOORANTA, EAKTA AUR>> >>>> >> >>

>> > ADVAIT>> >>>> >> >> >> > KA>> >>>> >> >> >> > VIGYAN HAI". Regards. Kulbir.>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ > wrote:>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Kulbir Ji,>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Thanks a lots.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Best of regards>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Ashok Singh>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>> gmail.com>>>

>>>> >> >> >> > > wrote:>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > > kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Re: Health, Sucess/Failure (HOW>> >>>> >> >> >> > > MUCH>> >>>> >> >> >> > > ??>> >>>> >> >> >> > > )>> >>>> >> >> >> > > >> >>>> >> >> >> > > Monday, June 15, 2009, 11:36 AM>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >>

> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Ashok ji, page 155-157 of 1952 part 3 uploaded by Nirmal>> ji>> >>>> >> >> >> > > ....>> >>>> >> >> >> > > SEHAT, BIMARI, NAFA, NUKSAAN, FATEH, SHIKASAT (these>> words>> >>>> >> >> >> > > include>> >>>> >> >> >> > > all>> >>>> >> >> >> > > of ur

querries) har do pehlu ke liye yahi asool honge.>> This>> >>>> >> >> >> > > line>> >>>> >> >> >> > > is>> >>>> >> >> >> > > 2nd line under subhead BIMAARI on page 155 as ref.>> >>>> >> >> >> > > above.>> >>>> >> >> >> > > But>> >>>> >> >> >> > > my>> >>>> >> >> >> > > friend this is not all inclusive. e.g. Bimari of aathraa>> is>> >>>> >> >> >> > > explained>> >>>> >> >> >> > > in farmaan no. 161 1939 volume. Go in for short cuts>> >>>> >> >> >> > > only>> >>>>

>> >> >> > > in>> >>>> >> >> >> > > desperate>> >>>> >> >> >> > > situation. For study and research follow guidelines>> >>>> >> >> >> > > given>> >>>> >> >> >> > > by>> >>>> >> >> >> > > pt.>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Ji>> >>>> >> >> >> > > in>> >>>> >> >> >> > > SARSARI NOTE Regards. Kulbir.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ > wrote:>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Kulbir Ji,>>

>>>> >> >> >> > >> Thanks for the reply. If you can write me where in lal>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> kitab>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> written>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> how>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> to>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> evaluate>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> the native range of success, that would be great.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> I am very much interested in the intensity(scale) of>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> health,>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> success>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

or>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> failure.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Best regards>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Ashok Singh>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> --- On Fri, 6/12/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>> gmail.com>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> wrote:>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Re:

Health, Sucess/Failure>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> (HOW>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> MUCH>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> ?? )>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Friday, June 12, 2009, 12:03 PM>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Ashok ji, what u are saying is represented loosely by>> the>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> term>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> oxymoron. Secondly health and success may be related>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> somehow.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> But>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> illness is no deterent to success. Then success in>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> which>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> field?>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> It>> >>>> >> >>

>> > >> has>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> to be specific. Lastly the dictum that all houses and>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> planets>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> have>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> to>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> be considered before reaching a conclusion. This type>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> of>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> isolated>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> study is against the basic rules of lalkitab. Regards.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Kulbir.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >>

>> >> > >> On 6/12/09, y2k_aksingh <y2k_aksingh@ > wrote:>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> Dear Members,>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> In a horoscope priciple to see health,sucess/ failure>> is>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> the>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> same.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> Can we find range of sucess as in Lal kitab written>> HNo.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> 10>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> shows>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> the intensity of illiness does it applicable for>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>>> sucess>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> also.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> It would be really appreciated.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> My real goal is to find HOW MUCH i.e. what would be>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> the>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> range>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> of>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> sucess.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> Thanks>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> Ashok>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>>>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> -->> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Sent from my mobile device>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > > -->> >>>> >> >> >> > > Sent from my mobile device>> >>>>

>> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > -->> >>>> >> >> >> > Sent from my mobile device>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> -->> >>>> >> >> Sent from my mobile device>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>

>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> -->> >>>> >> Sent from my mobile device>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> -->> >>>> Sent from my mobile device>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> -->> >> Sent from my mobile device>> >>>> >>>> >> --->> >>>> >>

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Sh kulbir giPichhale janmo ke kermo ki ganana kar ke Parmatama kundli me plannets ko rakhta hai. Parmatma se judi koi bhi vastu (jaise bhagya, kyonki bhayaga Parmatma likhta hai),parmatma ke bare me koi bhi vastu(jaise Rishiyo ke likhe granth) unka addhayan, shyad is desh me spiritual ki category me hi aata hai.Ved ka yeh chatta(sixth) ang jyotish bhi sadio tak spiritual aadmio ke dwara hi visstar paata raha.Is baare mai yeh kehna ki iss vishay me kissi ke vichar alag ho sakte hai ,galat statement hai.jyotish ya to 100/100spiritual hai,ya phir spiritual nahi hai. meri samajh ke anusar tisra koi vikalap nahi. Is desh ki mahan paramparao ko is desh ke log acchi tarah

jante hai.Is desh ke vidwan vid jano se meri prarthana hai ki is vishay me maragdarshan kare.Bhai vipin shukla ji is vishay par aapki mail padhi.aapne imandari se apne man ke bhavo ko likha.aapki mail behad khoobsoorat hai .aapse aur bhai kondal gi aur kulbir je se vishesh rup se anurodh hai ki" jyotish ki is desh me kya deinition hai". is vishay par vistar se likhe. se anurodh haakulbir bance <kulbirbance Sent: Monday, 6 July, 2009 12:07:41 AMRe: Why study Astrology?- Request to Mr. KulbirYogesh ji, i understand ur point. I was doing

what i learned fromthem. I was instructed that writing something that gives theimpression that it is ur original thought but actually borrowed fromsomeone or gifted by someone means AMAANAT ME KHAYANAT. I will stopwriting but it is a request to allow me a last mail on the subjectwhere i will quote the name of the author and the book. The publisheris a member of this group and hopefully he won't drag me intocopyright issue. Credibility is not an issue with me. Credit should goto persons who taught me. But i agree with u, it is their belonging,why should i intervene, it is there discretion when and whom to give.I admit i committed a mistake but it was in good faith. One last mailtommorrow and then i quit writing. Thanks for ur concern. Kulbir.On 7/5/09, yogesh jaitely <yogesh.jaitely

wrote:> Dear Kulbir Ji,> The request of Sh. Pardeep Kumar Sharma is genuine. almost, in every mail> you quote the name of one or another member of the group in about their> views of the subject. Mr.Kondal,Pardeep, Umesh, Yograj etc are the members> of this group and they can themselve say what they want to quote. You should> give your own views. you should refrain from using others name. This may> some times create awkward position for others like Pardeep kumar this time> has and also give question mark to the credibility of the person quoting> others name.> Your mailsshow the depth of knowledge you have in the subject. Please shower> your that knowledge.> Please don't mind.> Yogesh>> On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 7:13 PM, PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA <lalkitab_l> wrote:>>>>>>> Respected kulbir ji>> There is a humble request with folded hands.Pl. donot quote my name in any>> reference in this group.I am a big zero in this field and try to learn a>> word or two by reading the mails of this group and Dr. Upadhaya group. I>> donot know whether i would be able to learn abc in this birth. you all>> are>> requested to keep your blessing on me as before .>>>>>> ------------------------------>> ** kulbir bance <kulbirbance>> *To:* >> *Sent:* Wednesday, 1

July, 2009 11:58:22 PM>> *Subject:* Re: Why study Astrology?>>>> Respected Kondal Sahib, Pardeep sharma ji told me that read lalkitab>> as a spiritual book. Unki agya sar mathe. I have started my study>> afresh. I am stuck at pakka ghar khanna no.2 line PHAL 2-11 APNA APNA>> DHARAM MANDIR GURUDWARA MEIN . What is the difference between dharam>> mandir and gurudwara. Regards. Kulbir.>>>> On 7/1/09, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal wrote:>> > dear kulbir ji,>> > you are true what you have said and i do agree>> with>> > it but again it depends on that how you attain education. any vidya or>> > education learned by self

i mean to say not under the guidence of guru>> leads>> > the disciple to proudness{ahakar} and education learned under the>> guidence>> > of the guru leads the disciple to higher ends of life and down to earth>> > tendecy and disciple gets blessed too and further more doors are opened>> for>> > higher learning otherwise apne aap vidya pad k ahankaar yukt ho kar>> > vidyaarthi bhatakna mein phas jata hain.>> >>> >>> there>> > is a classic reference from ancient granths and that is the conversation>> > between rishiudalik and his son shwetketu.in which shwetketu after>> learning>> > all the vedas ,and other granths from the age of twelve to twenty four>> years>> > return home and very proudly says to his father on returning that i

have>> > learnt all the vedas and different scriptures and i am fully versed in>> > them,you ask me anything i will answer and at that very moment his>> > father>> > said>> > that have you learnt that education or vidya with which one is able to>> learn>> > all the things.nothing is left to be learnt.one becomes to hear the>> > unhearble also and after knowing which nothing is left to learn .and it>> is>> > in scriptures that at that very moment the son realised that what sort>> > of>> > mistake he has done and at that very moment he bowed in front of his>> father>> > and tells him to become his guru and give him the said education.it is>> worth>> > reading the conversation between the father and son .>> >>> > whenever we will meet i

will narrate u the whole in detail and we can>> > discuss openly.its a long conversation but full of knowledge.there are>> > always lots and lots of schools each and every school differs in its>> > thoughts but their prime moto is to help the humanity instead of only>> self>> > .but that is the best in which one helps humanity also and on the same>> hand>> > leads himself also to higher spiritual plane .>> >>> > Regards>> > MS KONDAL>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > ________________________________>> > kulbir bance <kulbirbance>> > >> > Wednesday, July 1, 2009 7:02:04 PM>> > Re: Why study Astrology?>> >>> > Respected Kondal Sahib, the first day i went to astrology class the>> > teacher there gave a lecture. A person went to lord Buddha and>> > requested that he had some questions to ask. Lord Buddha said i will>> > answer all ur questions but before that u will have to live here in>> > the sangh for one whole year. I will impose no conditions, do whatever>> > u like but take care not to disturb others. He agreed, lived there,>> > heard lords discourses.. After one year lord called him and asked. Now>> > ask whatever questions u have. The person with folded hands said>> > "saare prashan hi gir gaye ab poochne ko kuch

raha hi nahin" so is the>> > case with lalkitab. All it requires patience and faith, then all>> > questions drop slowly. What can be more spiritual than this. Regards.>> > Kulbir.>> >>> > On 7/1/09, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal wrote:>> >>>> >> dated:1-7-2009>> >> dear kulbir ji,>> >> very well said blessed persons like pundit jee>> never>> >> feel any binding in giving or distributing knowledge and they find no>> >> difference in humanity.>> >>>> >> Gurus work is to open the knot rightly and forever.>> >>>> >>

when ever something good is written or explored in that case it is done>> >> for>> >> the whole mankind by the holy persons and such blessed like pundit ji>> are>> >> always free of bondages and the clutches of getting fame and praise for>> >> whatever they have done or are doing ,they are the trend setters .>> >> already mentioned any dignity or any good soul rather i will say>> >> blessed>> >> soul wont feel any bondages or bindings on giving and sharing whatever>> he>> >> or>> >> she has experienced or learned in his life.>> >> no one can>> >> impose>>

>> anything on anybody it is everyones free will whether to accept or>> reject>> >> the proposal but if there is pure truth in the saying or teaching>> whatever>> >> is said no one can deny it because that saying will reflect in one or>> >> another manner in your life and you have to accept it.>> >>>> >> i think all might be thinking that in this topic we till date havent>> >> discussed anything on remedial measure or astrological part but let me>> >> tell>> >> you this topic is really necessary to be discussed prior to all,because>> >> astrology itself is full of how,what, when,why and many more questions>> and>> >> anyone whosoever want to read or study astrology ,for him the foremost>> >> question for him would arise that for what

he is learning astrology?>> >>>> >> is he learning astrology for himself?>> >> or learning to get rid of self problems.u might have>> seen>> >> that most of the people who are astrologers these days ,had gone>> through>> >> really tough time in their past and decided to learn it.>> >> or told to do so because of their family tradition as is>> >> done in pundits families,family tradition.>> >> or person really want to serve the humanity selflessly>> >> like>> >> pundit jee.>> >>

or to make money as these days lot of people think>> >> that>> >> astrology is a very good tool for making money.>> >> in all i would like to say that it depends>> on>> >> us that how do we see to get ourself attached with the learning.from>> that>> >> very starting point our intentions and further results of outcomings>> could>> >> be derived eithr positive or negative outcome.>> >>>> >> it is rightly said>> >>>> >> " nazraein badli to nazare badal gaye>> >>

kishti badli to kinare badal gaye.">> >>>> >> our senior Sh. Yograjji has written very>> >> nicely>> >> what he has felt and observed by being a witness and has expressed his>> >> feelings on the ongoing discussion.i am slow in writing.i would preffer>> to>> >> have discussion by sitting face to face with each other because there>> are>> >> too many things which we can discuss easily and fluently and that too>> >> in>> >> big>> >> numbers but when it comes to writing person like me fells handicaped.>> >>>> >> otherwise i know this topic will make every one to think atleast once>>

that>> >> what is their soul purpose of learning or study astrology?>> >>>> >> Regards,>> >> MS KONDAL>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> ________________________________>> >> kulbir bance <kulbirbance>> >> >> >> Wednesday, July 1, 2009 10:44:31 AM>> >> Re: Why study Astrology?>> >>>> >> Guruji, what pt ji has written in lalkitab and what his contemporaries>> >> say about his life style clearly shows that pt ji was a very broad>> >>

minded person. He has clearly written in SARSARI NOTE what is required>> >> to understand this book. Some extra tools can make the job easier e.g.>> >> Pt ji did the calculation part manually but now softwares are used.>> >> Guru may be helpful in that sense but the guru should not be such as>> >> he binds the subject. Pt ji was open minded to such an extent that he>> >> laid great stress on purani rasme, kul purohit etc. He hinself didn't>> >> wanted to be a guru. He gave whatever he had without any bondages.>> >> Reccommending something that might be helpful but Imposing is not>> >> right. Regards. Kulbir.>> >>>> >> On 6/30/09, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote:>> >>>

Dear Kulbir ji>> >>>>> >>> First of all, I strongly object to the conspiracy initiated by you and>> >>> Jitin>> >>> against me to deprive me of the title "The Dumbest". Mind you, I am>> >>> the>> >>> most>> >>> eligible person for this title in the field of Lal Kitab.>> >>>>> >>> Since I have nothing to do with this spirituality thing, I am unable>> >>> to>> >>> comment on that. But "je ghoDi chaDhaya nee – taan chaDhdey taan>> batherey>> >>> dekhey hi ney. So I would humbly like to convey to my learned>> colleagues>> >>> in>> >>> the forum that in my view spirituality in not like boasting of>> >>> "having">> >>> something special,

rather it's a process of becoming the absolute>> >>> ZERO.>> >>> I>> >>> believe that this Zero status can be achieved without possessing>> anything>> >>> special, but an open mind. I know many such people who are living in>> >>> this>> >>> materialistic world but still possess the high degree of this quality.>> >>>>> >>> Now, a few words about Guru. My dear friends, a Guru is not>> necessarily>> >>> a>> >>> human being. An ideology, an idea, a theory, even a good saying can be>> >>> one's>> >>> Guru. Moreover in my personal humble opinion, those whom Pundit jee>> >>> has>> >>> selected to spread the knowledge of divine Lal Kitab, those who are>>

>>> fortunate enough to touch these sacred scriptures, do not require any>> >>> other>> >>> Guru or Sad-Guru for the matter, or did they?>> >>>>> >>> I don't know what the spirituality or Guru means to others. But I>> expect>> >>> every true Lal kitab student to be a broad minded like Pundit jee and>> >>> always>> >>> ready to share. I hate the tendency of "chunj Dubowan – par lukowan">> >>> adopted>> >>> by some of our exalted colleagues. No one should feel himself free of>> his>> >>> sacred duties after writing a few mails in the group, it is a>> >>> perpetual>> >>> process and everybody has to work hard to complete the task assigned>> >>> by>> >>> Pundit jee.

So my dear friends, no half measure will do. Further>> >>> propagation>> >>> of such fatal tendencies will lead us to nowhere.>> >>>>> >>> I read all the beautiful posts, and the following is my observation:>> >>>>> >>> (1). whatever Mr Sumit has written, reflects whatever he has been>> >>> "Taught".>> >>> (2). whatever Mr Jitin has expressed, indicates whatever he has>> >>> "Learned".>> >>> (3). whatever Mr Kulbir has written, clearly shows whatever he has>> >>> "Learned>> >>> and experienced".>> >>> (4). Whatever Acharya MS Kondal sahib has written is the part and>> parcel>> >>> of>> >>> his "Basic training".>> >>> (5). and whatever I have

expressed in the above lines is, whatever I>> >>> "felt".>> >>>>> >>> I will share those interesting fables on an appropriate time as>> >>> desired>> >>> by>> >>> you.>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> Sincerely>> >>> Yograj Prabhakar>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> , kulbir bance <kulbirbance>> >>> wrote:>> >>>>>> >>>> Syal ji, i am the dumbest, don't have a Satguru so i know totally>> >>>> nothing about Sumeet ji's method but it has an appeal moresoever when>> >>>> Kondal Sahib's endorses. U

asked Where to sign for sure shot>> >>>> remedies?>> >>>> I can only share my practical experience. Remedial portion involves>> >>>> an>> >>>> extra dimension. Prabhakar ji is a guru. He explained this dimension>> >>>> by telling a mythological story of Ek Pathi Ek Munda. These fables>> >>>> might not have actually happenned but the essence is a saar of>> >>>> observation of thousands of years which the seers observed. I come>> >>>> from a rural background so i understood it in punjabi. I don't have>> >>>> any forbiddance from his side to hide anything that i got from him.>> >>>> But i would like him to translate it and send it in english also the>> >>>> story of Buggla phadna and Syani Jethani Kamali Dewarani.

Because>> >>>> translation by 2nd person is not that effective. If he refuses then i>> >>>> will do so without even asking for his permission. Let me explain the>> >>>> reason for this also Lord Buddha prophecised that he will be>> >>>> reincarnated in our/this present time by the name of MAITRAY people>> >>>> are waiting for him. Some spiritual sects even experimented to bring>> >>>> his soul in a body. Even a young boy (J Krishnamurthy's elder>> >>>> brother)>> >>>> died in this process. BUT WHAT LORD BUDDHA MEANT TO CONVEY TO HIS>> >>>> DISCIPLES WAS THAT GURU IN THESE TIMES WILL BE A FRIEND this is>> >>>> actual>> >>>> meaning that he conveyed by MAITRAY. So Prabhakar ji and Senior>>

>>>> members of this and other lalkitab groups are like maitray guru to>> >>>> me.>> >>>> Prabhakar ji being one of those with whom i quarrell with, abuse him,>> >>>> yet i recieve his blessings his doors are always open knowing very>> >>>> well what guru dakshina i have to offer. So i request him to tell>> >>>> himself these in larger interest. Otherwise i am always at ur>> >>>> service.>> >>>> Regards . Kulbir.>> >>>>>> >>>> On 6/27/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82 wrote:>> >>>> > Kulbir ji,>> >>>> > I don't know sumit ji and his caliber and neither do i doubt it. i>> >>>> > just>> >>>> > know>> >>>> > one thing i

am probably the dumbest student in this group and>> nowhere>> >>>> > near>> >>>> > as any one else here.>> >>>> > but don't you think he needs to know the true meaning of life>> >>>> > before>> >>>> > touching/ "being one" with god?>> >>>> >>> >>>> > He is saying that "naam-jaap" is the only true way to success,if>> >>>> > that's>> >>>> > the>> >>>> > case............ where do i sign?>> >>>> >>> >>>> > Regards>> >>>> > Jitin Syal>> >>>> >>> >>>> > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>>> >>>> > wrote:>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> Syal ji, u r right, two concepts should be clear 1. Meaning of>> >>>> >> success>> >>>> >> 2. Explanation about the methodology. Lets hope Sumeet ji>> >>>> >> explains.>> >>>> >> His explanation of horoscope matching is simply amazing. It shows>> >>>> >> that>> >>>> >> he has a very high calibre. He writes 81 in his id. As per my>> >>>> >> assumption if that is his birth year then such knowledge at this>> age>> >>>> >> is a karishma. He indeed is a blessed soul. Regards. Kulbir.>>

>>>> >>>> >>>> >> On 6/26/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@> wrote:>> >>>> >> > Kulbir paaji,>> >>>> >> > I always feel that we(humans) are here to balance our negative,>> >>>> >> > positives>> >>>> >> > from previous births.. if someone doesn't have something in this>> >>>> >> > world>> >>>> >> > he>> >>>> >> > is>> >>>> >> > just paying for his sins or vice versa. Even Pt. ji has left the>> >>>> >> > "greh>> >>>> >> > phal">> >>>> >> > planets untouched as somethings can't be changed.>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >

I totally agree that, any unnecessary intervention with>> Almighty's>> >>>> >> > plan>> >>>> >> > WILL>> >>>> >> > backfire, hence my point was to ask sumit ji to elaborate their>> >>>> >> > option/way>> >>>> >> > one where he has predicted a "sure shot" at success.>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> > yours sincerely>> >>>> >> > Jitin Syal>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>> >>> >>>> >> > wrote:>> >>>> >> >>>>

>>>> >> >> Syal ji, sumeet ji will answer ur querry. I would like to share>> a>> >>>> >> >> fact. After world war the ratio of male child increased>> >>>> >> >> dramatically>> >>>> >> >> as compared to female child. 1600 : 1000. Secondly>> >>>> >> >> determination>> >>>> >> >> of>> >>>> >> >> gender at conception has parameters that are generally beyond>> >>>> >> >> human>> >>>> >> >> control. But still nature has maintained the balance that life>> >>>> >> >> goes>> >>>> >> >> on. Imagind a scenario if only male or only female child>> continued>> >>>>

>> >> say>> >>>> >> >> for even a century. But it has not happenned. Why? There is a>> >>>> >> >> divine>> >>>> >> >> scheme, jyotish is a tool to understand it. This divine scheme>> and>> >>>> >> >> individual interests creat a confusion. Upaya may be suggessted>> >>>> >> >> but>> >>>> >> >> the upayagar should have knowledge of the divine scheme.>> >>>> >> >> Unneccessary>> >>>> >> >> intervention will not yield results in the first place and if>> does>> >>>> >> >> somebody is going to pay for it. Written very clearly in>> lalkitab.>> >>>> >> >> Guru is a kind of

superimposition on a person's mind to keep>> >>>> >> >> him>> >>>> >> >> ever>> >>>> >> >> alert. Regards. Kulbir.>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> On 6/25/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@> wrote:>> >>>> >> >> > Sumit ji,>> >>>> >> >> > Are you saying that option one is a gauranteed>> success/remedial>> >>>> >> >> > measure>> >>>> >> >> > without any risk of "backfire" or loss of spirituality??>> >>>> >> >> > if so, please elaborate further.>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> > Regards>> >>>> >> >>

> Jitin Syal>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> > , "sumitbansal_81">> >>>> >> >> > <sumitbansal_81@>>> >>>> >> >> > wrote:>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> Respected All,>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> It is indeed a pleasure in itself to see and read such a>> >>>> >> >> >> beautiful>> >>>> >> >> >> topic>> >>>> >> >> >> related to Astrology which clearly outlines the true nature>>

and>> >>>> >> >> >> objective>> >>>> >> >> >> of Astrology. Kondalji has given us a marvelous insight in>> the>> >>>> >> >> >> basic>> >>>> >> >> >> idea>> >>>> >> >> >> towards the mere existance of the Jyotish Shastra. It is>> righly>> >>>> >> >> >> said>> >>>> >> >> >> that>> >>>> >> >> >> Jyotish is the "ISHVARIYA JYOTI" and is a guiding light of>> each>> >>>> >> >> >> and>> >>>> >> >> >> every>> >>>> >> >> >> human being towards achieving the "Ultimate Goal" - to>>

>>>> >> >> >> become>> >>>> >> >> >> "One">> >>>> >> >> >> with>> >>>> >> >> >> the GOD by providing the means to initiate the purification>> >>>> >> >> >> process>> >>>> >> >> >> of>> >>>> >> >> >> "Chitt" and "Mann".>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> However, even when there are millions of human beings taking>> >>>> >> >> >> birth>> >>>> >> >> >> on>> >>>> >> >> >> this>> >>>> >> >> >> planet earth, not even one percent of them ever think

about>> the>> >>>> >> >> >> reason>> >>>> >> >> >> as>> >>>> >> >> >> why are they born and what is the specific task assigned to>> >>>> >> >> >> them>> >>>> >> >> >> by>> >>>> >> >> >> that>> >>>> >> >> >> one Supreme God and which is the specific path, he/she has>> >>>> >> >> >> to>> >>>> >> >> >> tread>> >>>> >> >> >> in>> >>>> >> >> >> order to achieve or fulfill that specific task?>> >>>> >> >> >> And the saddest part of the story is that by the time one>>

>>>> >> >> >> realizes>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> need and authenticity of these questions, there is not>> >>>> >> >> >> enough>> >>>> >> >> >> time>> >>>> >> >> >> left>> >>>> >> >> >> for him to achieve the set goal. A very famous Bollywood>> >>>> >> >> >> Song>> >>>> >> >> >> has>> >>>> >> >> >> rightly>> >>>> >> >> >> described this situaltion in the following lines:>> >>>> >> >> >> "Ladakpan Khel Mein Khoya,>> >>>> >>

>> >> Jawaani Neend Bhar Soya,>> >>>> >> >> >> Burhahpa Dekh Kar Roya,>> >>>> >> >> >> Yehi Kissa Puraana Hai.">> >>>> >> >> >> But Jyoish is that devine light which can help an individual>> by>> >>>> >> >> >> breaking>> >>>> >> >> >> the spell of his slumber just as the light of the morning>> >>>> >> >> >> sun>> >>>> >> >> >> awakes>> >>>> >> >> >> a>> >>>> >> >> >> sleeping person.>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>

Spiritualism oozes from each and every aspect of Jyotish>> >>>> >> >> >> Shastra.>> >>>> >> >> >> The>> >>>> >> >> >> only>> >>>> >> >> >> consideration is the "View Point" or "Nazar" by which anyone>> >>>> >> >> >> looks>> >>>> >> >> >> at>> >>>> >> >> >> it.>> >>>> >> >> >> To illustrate, I can provide a very simple example of>> >>>> >> >> >> "Horoscope>> >>>> >> >> >> Matching".>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> Every human being has some kind of desire(s) present in

his>> >>>> >> >> >> heart>> >>>> >> >> >> and>> >>>> >> >> >> these desires then lead to the formation of "Aasha" and>> >>>> >> >> >> "Trishna".>> >>>> >> >> >> This>> >>>> >> >> >> in>> >>>> >> >> >> turn leads to the creation of the "Karma" which ultimately>> >>>> >> >> >> culminate>> >>>> >> >> >> in>> >>>> >> >> >> the formation of "Paap" and "Punya". These Paap and Punya>> >>>> >> >> >> are>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >>

deciding>> >>>> >> >> >> factors of the type and quality of the next life which this>> >>>> >> >> >> jeevatma>> >>>> >> >> >> has>> >>>> >> >> >> to undergo.>> >>>> >> >> >> Now the ultimate Goal of any individual is to become one>> >>>> >> >> >> with>> >>>> >> >> >> GOD>> >>>> >> >> >> or>> >>>> >> >> >> to>> >>>> >> >> >> attain the state of "Adwait" and this can only be done by>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> purification>> >>>> >> >>

>> of "Chitt" and "Mann" which can be attained by the>> purification>> >>>> >> >> >> of>> >>>> >> >> >> "Karma">> >>>> >> >> >> and this is the exact point where Jyotish comes into play.>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> Anyone can Purify the Karmas in Two Ways, either using both>> or>> >>>> >> >> >> any>> >>>> >> >> >> one>> >>>> >> >> >> of>> >>>> >> >> >> the two. And the two ways are:>> >>>> >> >> >> 1. Naam Jaap - where the "Naam" is given by a "Sat-Guru">> >>>> >> >> >>

and>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> "Sat-Guru" himself is guiding the person.>> >>>> >> >> >> 2. Dividing or Cutting his Atma into few smaller pieces>> and>> >>>> >> >> >> then>> >>>> >> >> >> purifying them one by one.>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> "YES, ATMA CAN ALSO BE CUT." and this is the ultimate truth>> of>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> spirituality which if understood properly, will describe as>> how>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> GOD>>

>>>> >> >> >> is>> >>>> >> >> >> keeping himself alive or "Amar". I cannot describe more here>> >>>> >> >> >> due>> >>>> >> >> >> to>> >>>> >> >> >> "Guru>> >>>> >> >> >> Agya" but, the only hint I can give is that a "Sperm" or>> "Beej">> >>>> >> >> >> created>> >>>> >> >> >> inside the human body is as much living as we are and we all>> >>>> >> >> >> are>> >>>> >> >> >> made>> >>>> >> >> >> from>> >>>> >> >> >> this "Sperm" and we all have atma. Female Egg can only>>

provide>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> breeding ground for this so called "Beej" but, cannot impart>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> "Atma">> >>>> >> >> >> in>> >>>> >> >> >> the "Beej". So, where does this "Atma" comes into the "Beej">> >>>> >> >> >> ????>> >>>> >> >> >> Yes,>> >>>> >> >> >> you>> >>>> >> >> >> guessed it right, it is the "Ansh" of our own "Atma". And in>> >>>> >> >> >> this>> >>>> >> >> >> particular sense, each Father is just like "Param-Atma"

to>> his>> >>>> >> >> >> offspring.>> >>>> >> >> >> So, it is the atma of the Father which is cut into pieces>> >>>> >> >> >> everytime>> >>>> >> >> >> sperms>> >>>> >> >> >> leaves his body. "No further explanation on this part can be>> >>>> >> >> >> given>> >>>> >> >> >> here>> >>>> >> >> >> due to the sensitivity of the topic">> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> Now, if you are using the option "One" only then it is>> >>>> >> >> >> "Okay">> >>>> >> >> >> in>>

>>>> >> >> >> all>> >>>> >> >> >> sense. However, if you are using the Option "Two" or "Both>> the>> >>>> >> >> >> options",>> >>>> >> >> >> then there is a catch that the "Ansh" or "Beej of your Atma">> >>>> >> >> >> might>> >>>> >> >> >> not>> >>>> >> >> >> get>> >>>> >> >> >> a proper breeding ground which might result into creation of>> >>>> >> >> >> more>> >>>> >> >> >> desire>> >>>> >> >> >> in the Beej due to lack of the proper "Nutrients" which a>> Beej>> >>>> >> >>

>> might>> >>>> >> >> >> take>> >>>> >> >> >> from Mother which will again create "Aasha" and "Trishna">> >>>> >> >> >> and>> >>>> >> >> >> so>> >>>> >> >> >> on>> >>>> >> >> >> to>> >>>> >> >> >> "Paap" and "Punya". And if this happens, then, the Beej>> >>>> >> >> >> again>> >>>> >> >> >> has>> >>>> >> >> >> to>> >>>> >> >> >> go>> >>>> >> >> >> through the complete cycle of "Chauraasi".>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>>

>> >> >> As explained above, the so called "Nutrients" are nothing>> >>>> >> >> >> but>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> "Guna">> >>>> >> >> >> of the Mother and the "Actual Requirement of the Beej" is>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> "Guna">> >>>> >> >> >> of>> >>>> >> >> >> the Father. So, if there is a mismatch between the two, then>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> Option>> >>>> >> >> >> Two is bound to fail which will create more distress in the>> >>>> >> >>

>> human>> >>>> >> >> >> society.>> >>>> >> >> >> AND TO BE HONEST, OPTION TWO IS THE ONE WHICH IS BEING USED>> IN>> >>>> >> >> >> A>> >>>> >> >> >> VERY>> >>>> >> >> >> VERY>> >>>> >> >> >> VERY LARGE PROPORTION WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE ACTUAL TRUTH>> >>>> >> >> >> BEHIND>> >>>> >> >> >> THE>> >>>> >> >> >> USE OF THIS OPTION. AND ONLY JYOTISH IS CAPABLE OF>> >>>> >> >> >> RECTIFYING>> >>>> >> >> >> THIS>> >>>> >> >> >> MISTAKE>> >>>> >>

>> >> OF MAN AND SHOWING AS HOW TO BEGET WORTHY CHILDREN BY PROPER>> >>>> >> >> >> MATCHING>> >>>> >> >> >> OF>> >>>> >> >> >> SOIL AND SEED.>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> This clearly shows the Criticality as why Horoscope Matching>> is>> >>>> >> >> >> so>> >>>> >> >> >> important and the undefiable relationship between Jyotish>> >>>> >> >> >> and>> >>>> >> >> >> Aadhyatam.>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> In the end I can only say that Option One is the only True>> >>>>

>> >> >> Option>> >>>> >> >> >> as>> >>>> >> >> >> Option Two is just like using a shortcut which has the>> >>>> >> >> >> reputation>> >>>> >> >> >> of>> >>>> >> >> >> "Backfiring Percentage" set at 99.99% as the Jyotish Shastra>> is>> >>>> >> >> >> not>> >>>> >> >> >> being>> >>>> >> >> >> used as required. No one literally know as how to implement>> the>> >>>> >> >> >> jyotish>> >>>> >> >> >> shastra. All just know one thing and that is how to do the>> upai>> >>>> >> >> >>

and>> >>>> >> >> >> that>> >>>> >> >> >> also incorrect. If you are playing with gun loaded bullets,>> and>> >>>> >> >> >> you>> >>>> >> >> >> don't>> >>>> >> >> >> know how to use the gun properly, then at least cover>> yourself>> >>>> >> >> >> with>> >>>> >> >> >> a>> >>>> >> >> >> bulletproof dress first. Providing or telling Upai of>> something>> >>>> >> >> >> so>> >>>> >> >> >> much>> >>>> >> >> >> spiritual will only erode you spiritually unless and untill>> you>>

>>>> >> >> >> have>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> required "Guru Kripa".>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> I tender my apologies for being rude or harsh. My purpose of>> >>>> >> >> >> writing>> >>>> >> >> >> this>> >>>> >> >> >> was not to offend anyone but to provide the exact scenario>> >>>> >> >> >> as>> >>>> >> >> >> what>> >>>> >> >> >> is>> >>>> >> >> >> being done and what could it lead to. If I have hurt the>> >>>> >> >> >>

feelings>> >>>> >> >> >> of>> >>>> >> >> >> anyone, then please ask yourself, "Do you really have the>> >>>> >> >> >> required>> >>>> >> >> >> Bullet-Proof Suite?" You will get the answer yourself. The>> >>>> >> >> >> Supreme>> >>>> >> >> >> God>> >>>> >> >> >> speakes from the very inside of your "Chitt" or>> "Ghat-Mandir".>> >>>> >> >> >> Listen>> >>>> >> >> >> to>> >>>> >> >> >> him and you will get the answer.....>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> Whatever I have learned

from my revered Guruji is as under:>> >>>> >> >> >> "Guru Kripa Se Hai Mila,>> >>>> >> >> >> Jiska Naam Sunaam.>> >>>> >> >> >> Ghat Ghat Mein Bole Jo Sabke,>> >>>> >> >> >> Hai Woh Atma Ram.">> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> Regards,>> >>>> >> >> >> Sumit Bansal.>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> , maneshwar singh kondal>> >>>> >>

>> >> <mskondal@>>> >>>> >> >> >> wrote:>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > date:18-6-2009>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > hello kulbir ji,>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > first of>> >>>> >> >> >> > all let me thank u for discussing such a vital point in>> >>>> >> >> >> >

astrology>> >>>> >> >> >> > or>> >>>> >> >> >> > everybody life that why and for what we are doing any job>> as>> >>>> >> >> >> > quoted>> >>>> >> >> >> > by>> >>>> >> >> >> > u that why we are using or doing astrology.this is a very>> >>>> >> >> >> > crucial>> >>>> >> >> >> > point>> >>>> >> >> >> > and i will try to contribute from myside what ever i know>> >>>> >> >> >> > openly>> >>>> >> >> >> > and>> >>>> >> >> >> > would like everybody to share their views on this

topic>> >>>> >> >> >> > because>> >>>> >> >> >> > this>> >>>> >> >> >> > is>> >>>> >> >> >> > directly related to our spiritual enlightenment and>> >>>> >> >> >> > getting>> >>>> >> >> >> > in>> >>>> >> >> >> > touch>> >>>> >> >> >> > with god.this topic is never ending and i request all>> members>> >>>> >> >> >> > to>> >>>> >> >> >> > keep>> >>>> >> >> >> > on writing their true experiences and findings regarding>> >>>> >> >> >> >

spiritual>> >>>> >> >> >> > and>> >>>> >> >> >> > worldly astrology and try to differentiate between the>> >>>> >> >> >> > two.>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > as kulbir ji has quoted from osho's book the words>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > jyotish>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > sampooranta>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > ekta>>

>>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > advait>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > all these words are self explanatry>> >>>> >> >> >> > but if we start explaining them then we will become short>> of>> >>>> >> >> >> > words>> >>>> >> >> >> > but>> >>>> >> >> >> > i would say that if we compile all these in one word we>> >>>> >> >> >> > can>> >>>> >> >> >> > say>> >>>> >> >> >>

> these>> >>>> >> >> >> > are the qualities of one and only one supreme and that is>> the>> >>>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE>> >>>> >> >> >> > GOD.>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > ACTUALLY WE ARE THE JEEVATMAS AND>> >>>> >> >> >> > ARE PART OF THE SUPREME LORD AND DUE TO VARIOUS JANAMAS>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND>> >>>> >> >> >> > BIRTHS>> >>>> >> >> >> > LOT>> >>>> >> >> >> > OF MISCONCEPTIONS HAVE BEEN ENGRAVED IN OUR MINDS AND>> BECAUSE>> >>>> >> >> >> > OF>>

>>>> >> >> >> > OUR>> >>>> >> >> >> > SANCHIT KARMAS AND DUE TO PRARABDH WE ARE GETTING BIRTHS>> >>>> >> >> >> > AGAIN>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND>> >>>> >> >> >> > AGAIN AND GETTING DETACHED FROM THE SUPREME DAY BY DAY TO>> >>>> >> >> >> > FULFIL>> >>>> >> >> >> > OUR>> >>>> >> >> >> > WORLDLY DEEDS,WHICH ULTIMATELY LAND US NOWHERE ELSE THAN>> >>>> >> >> >> > REBIRTH>> >>>> >> >> >> > TO>> >>>> >> >> >> > FULFIL OUR DESIRES AND WE GET USED TO THE RE BIRTH CYCLE>> AND>>

>>>> >> >> >> > CARRY>> >>>> >> >> >> > ON>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND FORGET OUR TRUE HOME THAT IS NONE OTHER THAN THE>> SUPREME>> >>>> >> >> >> > FATHER>> >>>> >> >> >> > GOD.BUT>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > REMEBER ONE THING>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > HE WHO GIVES ,GIVES,GIVES,GIVES.......... AND FORGIVES>> IS>> >>>> >> >> >> > GOD>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>

> AND>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > WHO GETS, GETS, GETS, GETS............. AND FORGETS>> >>>> >> >> >> > IS>> >>>> >> >> >> > HUMAN>> >>>> >> >> >> > BEING>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > THIS IS THE NATURE OF GOD>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > BUT THEN ALSO BECAUSE OF HIS>> >>>> >> >> >> > FORGIVING NATURE BY DEFAULT THE SUPREME HAS PROGRAMMED>> EACH>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND>>

>>>> >> >> >> > EVERY>> >>>> >> >> >> > HUMAN MIND TO THINK OF ITSELF FOR THE ACTUAL TRUTH THAT>> >>>> >> >> >> > WHY>> >>>> >> >> >> > HE>> >>>> >> >> >> > IS>> >>>> >> >> >> > ON>> >>>> >> >> >> > THIS EARTH?WHY HE IS BORN,WHAT HE HAS TO DO,IS HE HERE FOR>> >>>> >> >> >> > MAKING>> >>>> >> >> >> > MONEY>> >>>> >> >> >> > OR IS HE HERE TO ENJOY WOMEN OR IS HE HERE TO FOOL OTHERS>> OR>> >>>> >> >> >> > IS>> >>>> >> >> >> > HE>>

>>>> >> >> >> > HERE>> >>>> >> >> >> > TO MAKE PROPERTY?>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND MANY MANY OTHER QUESTIONS, EVERY HUMAN THINKS IN HIS>> MIND>> >>>> >> >> >> > SOME>> >>>> >> >> >> > DAY>> >>>> >> >> >> > SOME TIME .>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > THOSE R LUCKY WHO THINK AT EARLY>> >>>> >> >> >> > STAGE OF LIFE AND MANY THINK AT LATER AGE BUT ALL OF THEM>> TRY>> >>>> >> >> >> > TO>> >>>> >> >> >> > UNDERSTAND THE ACTUAL THING AND SOME R ABLE TO GET>>

>>>> >> >> >> > ANSWERS>> >>>> >> >> >> > BUT>> >>>> >> >> >> > THEY>> >>>> >> >> >> > DONT HAVE THE TIME TO USE IT PRACTICALLY BECAUSE LIFE IS>> TOO>> >>>> >> >> >> > SHORT.>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > SO JYOTISH MEANS ISHVARIYA JYOTI AND EVERYBODY IS>> >>>> >> >> >> > HAVING>> >>>> >> >> >> > A>> >>>> >> >> >> > PART OF IT BUT HOW MANY HAVE REALISED IT?>> >>>> >> >> >>

>>> >>>> >> >> >> > SAMPOORANTA MEANS WHO HAS MASTERD THE ALL>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > EKTA MEANS ONENESS>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > ADWAIT AGAIN THE>> >>>> >> >> >> > PERSON WHO HAS RAISED ABOVE FROM THE DVAIT BHAV THAT>> MEANS>> >>>> >> >> >> > HE>> >>>> >> >> >> > HAS>> >>>> >> >> >> > NO>> >>>> >> >> >> > DIFFERENCE

BETWEEN>> >>>> >> >> >> > T>> >>>> >> >> >> > - HE TWO. MEANS JO DO SE EK>> ROOP>> >>>> >> >> >> > HO>> >>>> >> >> >> > JAYE>> >>>> >> >> >> > .>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > AS I SAID IT IS JUST A START I DONT>> >>>> >> >> >> > KNOW WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN ,BUT THIS IS THE TOPIC WHICH IS>> >>>> >> >> >> > ATTACHED>> >>>> >> >> >> > WITH>>

>>>> >> >> >> > EVERY BODY LIFE SO KEEP ON DISCUSSING IT .PRADEEP SHARMA>> >>>> >> >> >> > JI>> >>>> >> >> >> > WAS>> >>>> >> >> >> > TELLING>> >>>> >> >> >> > ME MOST OF THE TIMES THAT I SHOULD START SUCH A TOPIC BUT>> >>>> >> >> >> > I>> >>>> >> >> >> > WAS>> >>>> >> >> >> > WAITING>> >>>> >> >> >> > REALLY FOR THE DAY, THAT THERE WILL BE A DAY WHEN SOME ONE>> >>>> >> >> >> > WILL>> >>>> >> >> >> > COME>> >>>> >> >> >> > OUT OF SO MANY LEARNED PEOPLE AND

WILL ASK FOR THE TRUE>> >>>> >> >> >> > MEANING>> >>>> >> >> >> > OF>> >>>> >> >> >> > ASTROLOGY.YET I HAVE NOT WRITTEN MUCH BUT I WILL LOVE TO>> >>>> >> >> >> > WRITE>> >>>> >> >> >> > MORE>> >>>> >> >> >> > BECAUSE THIS IS THE QUESTION RELATED TO OUR TRUE SELF AND>> IT>> >>>> >> >> >> > IS>> >>>> >> >> >> > MY>> >>>> >> >> >> > FOREMOST DUTY TO ANSWER AND WILL TRY TO TELL WHAT I>> >>>> >> >> >> > EXPERIENCED>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND>> >>>> >> >>

>> > WILL LEARN FROM ALL MY SENIORS AND COLLEAGUES WHO R REALLY>> >>>> >> >> >> > DESPERATELY>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND SINCERELY FINDING LOTS AND LOTS OF THINGS BY MEANS OF>> >>>> >> >> >> > ASTROLOGY>> >>>> >> >> >> > TO>> >>>> >> >> >> > GIVE BENEFITS TO THE SOCIETY>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > THERE IS A GURUBANI QUOTE BHAYI PRAPAT MANUKH>> DEOHRIA>> >>>> >> >> >> > GOBIND>> >>>> >> >> >> > MILAN KI EHO TERI BARIYA>> >>>> >>

>> >> >>> AVAR>> >>>> >> >> >> > KAAJ>> >>>> >> >> >> > TERE>> >>>> >> >> >> > KITE NAA KAAM MIL SAADH SANGAT BHAJ KEVAL NAAM>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > MEANS: FOR WHAT U HAVE>> >>>> >> >> >> > GOT>> >>>> >> >> >> > BIRTH>> >>>> >> >> >> > ON>> >>>> >> >> >> > THIS UNIVERSE? U HAVE GOT THIS HUMAN BODY TO MEET THE>> SUPREME>> >>>>

>> >> >> > THE>> >>>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE AND THAT TOO U CAN DO WITHIN THIS HUMAN BIRTH>> >>>> >> >> >> > ONLY,YOUR>> >>>> >> >> >> > ALL>> >>>> >> >> >> > OTHER DEEDS WONT GIVE U ANYTHING AT ALL,ONLY AND ONLY>> >>>> >> >> >> > RECITATION>> >>>> >> >> >> > OF>> >>>> >> >> >> > THE>> >>>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE AND GETTING UNITED WITH IT IS YOUR GOAL.>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > in the

last i would say, by the help>> >>>> >> >> >> > of astrology everybody should try to find the sins or the>> >>>> >> >> >> > sanchit>> >>>> >> >> >> > karmas by means of planets and try to get rid of their>> >>>> >> >> >> > influences>> >>>> >> >> >> > by>> >>>> >> >> >> > jap daan homas and sewa and many other means but should do>> >>>> >> >> >> > these>> >>>> >> >> >> > things>> >>>> >> >> >> > sincerely and with a fear in mind that i have to get out>> >>>> >> >> >> > of>> >>>> >> >> >> >

this>> >>>> >> >> >> > cycle>> >>>> >> >> >> > or any bad habit which i am having because of the planets>> bad>> >>>> >> >> >> > influence, because of sanchit karmas.so we r here to get>> >>>> >> >> >> > lessons>> >>>> >> >> >> > from>> >>>> >> >> >> > our previous births and lead a new life in this birth with>> >>>> >> >> >> > the>> >>>> >> >> >> > help>> >>>> >> >> >> > of>> >>>> >> >> >> > astrology by trying to rectifying our bad vices and lusts>> for>> >>>> >> >> >>

> life>> >>>> >> >> >> > and>> >>>> >> >> >> > try to become detached from worldly deeds.sorry everybody>> if>> >>>> >> >> >> > i>> >>>> >> >> >> > had>> >>>> >> >> >> > written anything wrong and ever hurt any body sentiments..>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > Regards>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > MS KONDAL>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>

>>> >>>> >> >> >> > ________________________________>> >>>> >> >> >> > kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:53:08 AM>> >>>> >> >> >> > Re: Ashok ji; why study>> >>>> >> >> >> > astrology?>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >>

>> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > Respected Ashok ji; since the day u asked " why am i>> >>>> >> >> >> > interested>> >>>> >> >> >> > in>> >>>> >> >> >> > study of astrology" i was looking for an answer. I read>> >>>> >> >> >> > Osho's>> >>>> >> >> >> > article>> >>>> >> >> >> > on astrology he writes " JYOTISH SAMPOORANTA, EAKTA AUR>> >>>> >> >> >> > ADVAIT>> >>>> >> >> >> > KA>> >>>> >> >> >> > VIGYAN HAI". Regards. Kulbir.>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >>

>> >> > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ > wrote:>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Kulbir Ji,>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Thanks a lots.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Best of regards>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Ashok Singh>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>> gmail.com>>> >>>> >> >> >> > > wrote:>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > > kulbir bance

<kulbirbance@ gmail.com>>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Re: Health, Sucess/Failure (HOW>> >>>> >> >> >> > > MUCH>> >>>> >> >> >> > > ??>> >>>> >> >> >> > > )>> >>>> >> >> >> > > >> >>>> >> >> >> > > Monday, June 15, 2009, 11:36 AM>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Ashok ji, page 155-157 of 1952 part 3 uploaded by Nirmal>> ji>> >>>> >> >> >> > > ....>> >>>> >> >> >> > > SEHAT, BIMARI, NAFA, NUKSAAN, FATEH, SHIKASAT (these>> words>> >>>> >> >> >> > > include>> >>>> >> >> >> > > all>> >>>> >> >> >> > > of ur querries) har do pehlu ke liye yahi asool honge.>> This>> >>>> >> >> >> > > line>> >>>> >> >> >> > > is>> >>>> >> >> >> >

> 2nd line under subhead BIMAARI on page 155 as ref.>> >>>> >> >> >> > > above.>> >>>> >> >> >> > > But>> >>>> >> >> >> > > my>> >>>> >> >> >> > > friend this is not all inclusive. e.g. Bimari of aathraa>> is>> >>>> >> >> >> > > explained>> >>>> >> >> >> > > in farmaan no. 161 1939 volume. Go in for short cuts>> >>>> >> >> >> > > only>> >>>> >> >> >> > > in>> >>>> >> >> >> > > desperate>> >>>> >> >> >> > > situation. For study and research follow guidelines>> >>>>

>> >> >> > > given>> >>>> >> >> >> > > by>> >>>> >> >> >> > > pt.>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Ji>> >>>> >> >> >> > > in>> >>>> >> >> >> > > SARSARI NOTE Regards. Kulbir.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ > wrote:>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Kulbir Ji,>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Thanks for the reply. If you can write me where in lal>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> kitab>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

written>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> how>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> to>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> evaluate>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> the native range of success, that would be great.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> I am very much interested in the intensity(scale) of>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> health,>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> success>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> or>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> failure.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Best regards>> >>>>

>> >> >> > >> Ashok Singh>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> --- On Fri, 6/12/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>> gmail.com>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> wrote:>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Re: Health, Sucess/Failure>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> (HOW>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> MUCH>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> ?? )>>

>>>> >> >> >> > >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Friday, June 12, 2009, 12:03 PM>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Ashok ji, what u are saying is represented loosely by>> the>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> term>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> oxymoron. Secondly health and success may be related>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> somehow.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> But>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> illness is no deterent to success. Then success in>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> which>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> field?>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> It>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> has>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> to be specific. Lastly the dictum that all houses and>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> planets>> >>>> >> >>

>> > >> have>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> to>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> be considered before reaching a conclusion. This type>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> of>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> isolated>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> study is against the basic rules of lalkitab. Regards.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Kulbir.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> On 6/12/09, y2k_aksingh <y2k_aksingh@ > wrote:>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> Dear Members,>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> In a horoscope priciple

to see health,sucess/ failure>> is>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> the>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> same.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> Can we find range of sucess as in Lal kitab written>> HNo.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> 10>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> shows>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> the intensity of illiness does it applicable for>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> sucess>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> also.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> It would be really appreciated.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>

My real goal is to find HOW MUCH i.e. what would be>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> the>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> range>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> of>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> sucess.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> Thanks>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> Ashok>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> -->> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Sent from my mobile device>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>>

>>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > > -->> >>>> >> >> >> > > Sent from my mobile device>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > -->> >>>> >>

>> >> > Sent from my mobile device>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> -->> >>>> >> >> Sent from my mobile device>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> -->> >>>> >> Sent from my mobile device>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>

>>>>>> >>>> -->> >>>> Sent from my mobile device>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> -->> >> Sent from my mobile device>> >>>> >>>> >> --->> >>>> >>

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Respected Kulbir Ji, I was expecting Harsh reply. If i were in your place I surely did it. Your reply shows your inner strength  and the effect of true lalkitab devotee .Thanks and hats off to you. There is no reason to stop writing . Your write ups gave a lot specially to me . 

Please review your decisionThanksYogeshOn Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 12:07 AM, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

Yogesh ji, i understand ur point. I was doing what i learned from

them. I was instructed that writing something that gives the

impression that it is ur original thought but actually borrowed from

someone or gifted by someone means AMAANAT ME KHAYANAT. I will stop

writing but it is a request to allow me a last mail on the subject

where i will quote the name of the author and the book. The publisher

is a member of this group and hopefully he won't drag me into

copyright issue. Credibility is not an issue with me. Credit should go

to persons who taught me. But i agree with u, it is their belonging,

why should i intervene, it is there discretion when and whom to give.

I admit i committed a mistake but it was in good faith. One last mail

tommorrow and then i quit writing.  Thanks for ur concern. Kulbir.

 

On 7/5/09, yogesh jaitely <yogesh.jaitely wrote:

> Dear Kulbir Ji,

> The request of Sh. Pardeep Kumar Sharma is genuine. almost, in every mail

> you quote the name of one or another  member of the group in about their

> views of the subject. Mr.Kondal,Pardeep, Umesh, Yograj etc are the members

> of this group and they can themselve say what they want to quote. You should

> give your own views. you should refrain from using others name. This may

> some times create awkward position for others like Pardeep kumar this time

> has and also give question mark to the credibility of the person quoting

> others name.

> Your mailsshow the depth of knowledge you have in the subject. Please shower

> your that knowledge.

> Please don't mind.

> Yogesh

>

> On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 7:13 PM, PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA <lalkitab_l

>> wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> Respected kulbir ji

>> There is a humble request with folded hands.Pl. donot quote my name in any

>> reference in this group.I am  a big zero in this field and try to learn a

>> word or two by reading the mails of this group and Dr. Upadhaya group. I

>> donot know whether i would be able to learn abc in this birth. you  all

>> are

>> requested to keep your blessing on me as before .

>>

>>

>> ------------------------------

>> ** kulbir bance <kulbirbance

>> *To:*

>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 1 July, 2009 11:58:22 PM

>> *Subject:* Re: Why study Astrology?

>>

>> Respected Kondal Sahib, Pardeep sharma ji told me that read lalkitab

>> as a spiritual book. Unki agya sar mathe. I have started my study

>> afresh. I am stuck at pakka ghar khanna no.2 line PHAL 2-11 APNA APNA

>> DHARAM MANDIR GURUDWARA MEIN . What is the difference between dharam

>> mandir and gurudwara. Regards. Kulbir.

>>

>> On 7/1/09, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal wrote:

>> > dear kulbir ji,

>> >                        you are true what you have said and i do agree

>> with

>> > it but again it depends on that how you attain education. any vidya or

>> > education learned by self i mean to say not under the guidence of guru

>> leads

>> > the disciple to  proudness{ahakar} and education learned under the

>> guidence

>> > of the guru  leads the disciple to higher ends of life and down to earth

>> > tendecy and disciple gets blessed too and further more doors are opened

>> for

>> > higher learning otherwise apne aap vidya pad k ahankaar yukt ho kar

>> > vidyaarthi bhatakna mein phas jata hain.

>> >

>> >

>> there

>> > is a classic reference from ancient granths and that is the conversation

>> > between rishiudalik and his son shwetketu.in which shwetketu after

>> learning

>> > all the vedas ,and other granths from the age of twelve to twenty four

>> years

>> > return home and very proudly says to his father on returning that i have

>> > learnt all the vedas and different scriptures and i am fully versed in

>> > them,you ask me anything i will answer and at that very moment his

>> > father

>> > said

>> > that have you learnt that education or vidya with which one is able to

>> learn

>> > all the things.nothing is left to be learnt.one becomes to hear the

>> > unhearble also and after knowing which nothing is left to learn .and it

>> is

>> > in scriptures that at that very moment the son realised that what sort

>> > of

>> > mistake he has done and at that very moment he bowed in front of his

>> father

>> > and tells him to become his guru and give him the said education.it is

>> worth

>> > reading the conversation between the father and son .

>> >

>> > whenever we will meet i will narrate u the whole in detail and we can

>> > discuss openly.its a long conversation but full of knowledge.there are

>> > always lots and lots of schools each and every school differs in its

>> > thoughts but their prime moto is to help the humanity instead of only

>> self

>> > .but that is the best in which one helps humanity also and on the same

>> hand

>> > leads himself also to higher spiritual plane .

>> >

>> > Regards

>> > MS KONDAL

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > ________________________________

>> > kulbir bance <kulbirbance

>> >

>> > Wednesday, July 1, 2009 7:02:04 PM

>> > Re: Why study Astrology?

>> >

>> > Respected Kondal Sahib, the first day i went to astrology class the

>> > teacher there gave a lecture. A person went to lord Buddha and

>> > requested that he had some questions to ask. Lord Buddha said i will

>> > answer  all ur questions but before that u will have to live here in

>> > the sangh for one whole year. I will impose no conditions, do whatever

>> > u like but take care not to disturb others. He agreed, lived there,

>> > heard lords discourses.. After one year lord called him and asked. Now

>> > ask whatever questions u have. The person with folded hands said

>> > " saare prashan hi gir gaye ab poochne ko kuch raha hi nahin " so is the

>> > case with lalkitab. All it requires patience and faith, then all

>> > questions drop slowly. What can be more spiritual than this. Regards.

>> > Kulbir.

>> >

>> > On 7/1/09, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal wrote:

>> >>

>> >>            dated:1-7-2009

>> >> dear kulbir ji,

>> >>                      very well said blessed persons like pundit jee

>> never

>> >> feel any binding in giving or distributing knowledge and they find no

>> >> difference in humanity.

>> >>

>> >> Gurus work is to open the knot rightly and forever.

>> >>

>> >> when ever something good is written or explored in that case it is done

>> >> for

>> >> the whole mankind by the holy persons and such blessed like pundit ji

>> are

>> >> always free of bondages and the clutches of getting fame and praise for

>> >> whatever they have done or are doing ,they are the trend setters .

>> >> already mentioned any dignity or any good soul rather i will say

>> >> blessed

>> >> soul wont feel any bondages or bindings on giving and sharing whatever

>> he

>> >> or

>> >> she has experienced or learned in his life.

>> >>                                                        no one can

>> >> impose

>> >> anything on anybody it is everyones free will whether to accept or

>> reject

>> >> the proposal but if there is pure truth in the saying or teaching

>> whatever

>> >> is said no one can deny it because that saying will reflect in one or

>> >> another manner in your life and you have to accept it.

>> >>

>> >>  i think all might be thinking that in this topic we  till date havent

>> >> discussed anything on remedial measure or astrological part but let me

>> >> tell

>> >> you this topic is really necessary to be discussed prior to all,because

>> >> astrology itself is full of how,what, when,why and many more questions

>> and

>> >> anyone whosoever want to read or study astrology ,for him the foremost

>> >> question for him would arise that for what he is learning astrology?

>> >>

>> >>                is he learning astrology for himself?

>> >>                  or learning to get rid of self problems.u might have

>> seen

>> >> that  most of the people who are astrologers these days ,had gone

>> through

>> >> really tough time in their past and decided to learn it.

>> >>                or told to do so because of their family tradition as is

>> >> done in pundits families,family tradition.

>> >>                  or person really want to serve the humanity selflessly

>> >> like

>> >> pundit jee.

>> >>                  or to make money as these days lot of people think

>> >> that

>> >> astrology is a very good tool for making money.

>> >>                              in all i would like to say that it depends

>> on

>> >> us that how do we see to get  ourself attached with the learning.from

>> that

>> >> very starting point our intentions and further results of outcomings

>> could

>> >> be derived  eithr positive or negative outcome.

>> >>

>> >> it is rightly said

>> >>

>> >>                                 " nazraein badli to nazare badal gaye

>> >>                                  kishti badli to kinare badal gaye. "

>> >>

>> >>                          our senior Sh. Yograjji has written very

>> >> nicely

>> >> what he has felt and observed by being  a witness and has expressed his

>> >> feelings on the ongoing discussion.i am slow in writing.i would preffer

>> to

>> >> have discussion by sitting face to face with each other because there

>> are

>> >> too many things which we can discuss easily and fluently and that too

>> >> in

>> >> big

>> >> numbers but when it comes to writing person like me fells handicaped.

>> >>

>> >> otherwise i know this topic will make every one to think atleast once

>> that

>> >> what is their soul purpose of learning or study astrology?

>> >>

>> >> Regards,

>> >> MS KONDAL

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> ________________________________

>> >> kulbir bance <kulbirbance

>> >>

>> >> Wednesday, July 1, 2009 10:44:31 AM

>> >> Re: Why study Astrology?

>> >>

>> >> Guruji, what pt ji has written in lalkitab and what his contemporaries

>> >> say about his life style clearly shows that pt ji was a very broad

>> >> minded person. He has clearly written in SARSARI NOTE what is required

>> >> to understand this book. Some extra tools can make the job easier e.g.

>> >> Pt ji did the calculation part manually but now softwares are used.

>> >> Guru may be helpful in that sense but the guru should not be such as

>> >> he binds the subject. Pt ji was open minded to such an extent that he

>> >> laid great stress on purani rasme, kul purohit etc. He hinself didn't

>> >> wanted to be a guru. He gave whatever he had without any bondages.

>> >> Reccommending something that might be helpful but Imposing is not

>> >> right.  Regards. Kulbir.

>> >>

>> >> On 6/30/09, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote:

>> >>> Dear Kulbir ji

>> >>>

>> >>> First of all, I strongly object to the conspiracy initiated by you and

>> >>> Jitin

>> >>> against me to deprive me of the title " The Dumbest " . Mind you, I am

>> >>> the

>> >>> most

>> >>> eligible person for this title in the field of Lal Kitab.

>> >>>

>> >>> Since I have nothing to do with this spirituality thing, I am unable

>> >>> to

>> >>> comment on that. But " je ghoDi chaDhaya nee – taan chaDhdey taan

>> batherey

>> >>> dekhey hi ney. So I would humbly like to convey to my learned

>> colleagues

>> >>> in

>> >>> the forum that in my view spirituality in not like boasting of

>> >>> " having "

>> >>> something special, rather it's a process of becoming the absolute

>> >>> ZERO.

>> >>> I

>> >>> believe that this Zero status can be achieved without possessing

>> anything

>> >>> special, but an open mind.  I know many such people who are living in

>> >>> this

>> >>> materialistic world but still possess the high degree of this quality.

>> >>>

>> >>> Now, a few words about Guru. My dear friends,  a Guru is not

>> necessarily

>> >>> a

>> >>> human being. An ideology, an idea, a theory, even a good saying can be

>> >>> one's

>> >>> Guru. Moreover in my personal humble opinion, those whom Pundit jee

>> >>> has

>> >>> selected to spread the knowledge of divine Lal Kitab, those who are

>> >>> fortunate enough to touch these sacred scriptures, do not require any

>> >>> other

>> >>> Guru or Sad-Guru for the matter, or did they?

>> >>>

>> >>> I don't know what the spirituality or Guru means to others. But I

>> expect

>> >>> every true Lal kitab student to be a broad minded like Pundit jee and

>> >>> always

>> >>> ready to share. I hate the tendency of " chunj Dubowan – par lukowan "

>> >>> adopted

>> >>> by some of our exalted colleagues. No one should feel himself free of

>> his

>> >>> sacred duties after writing a few mails in the group, it is a

>> >>> perpetual

>> >>> process and everybody has to work hard to complete the task assigned

>> >>> by

>> >>> Pundit jee. So my dear friends, no half measure will do. Further

>> >>> propagation

>> >>> of such fatal tendencies will lead us to nowhere.

>> >>>

>> >>> I read all the beautiful posts, and the following is my observation:

>> >>>

>> >>> (1). whatever Mr Sumit has written, reflects whatever he has been

>> >>> " Taught " .

>> >>> (2). whatever Mr Jitin has expressed, indicates whatever he has

>> >>> " Learned " .

>> >>> (3). whatever Mr Kulbir has written, clearly shows whatever he has

>> >>> " Learned

>> >>> and experienced " .

>> >>> (4). Whatever Acharya MS Kondal sahib has written is the part and

>> parcel

>> >>> of

>> >>> his " Basic training " .

>> >>> (5). and whatever I have expressed in the above lines is, whatever I

>> >>> " felt " .

>> >>>

>> >>> I will share those interesting fables on an appropriate time as

>> >>> desired

>> >>> by

>> >>> you.

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>> Sincerely

>> >>> Yograj Prabhakar

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>> , kulbir bance <kulbirbance

>> >>> wrote:

>> >>>>

>> >>>> Syal ji, i am the dumbest, don't have a Satguru so i know totally

>> >>>> nothing about Sumeet ji's method but it has an appeal moresoever when

>> >>>> Kondal Sahib's endorses. U asked Where to sign for sure shot

>> >>>> remedies?

>> >>>> I can only share my practical experience. Remedial portion involves

>> >>>> an

>> >>>> extra dimension. Prabhakar ji is a guru. He explained this dimension

>> >>>> by telling a mythological story of Ek Pathi Ek Munda. These fables

>> >>>> might not have actually happenned but the essence is a saar of

>> >>>> observation of thousands of years which the seers observed. I come

>> >>>> from a rural background so i understood it in punjabi. I don't have

>> >>>> any forbiddance from his side to hide anything that i got from him.

>> >>>> But i would like him to translate it and send it in english also the

>> >>>> story of Buggla phadna and Syani Jethani Kamali Dewarani. Because

>> >>>> translation by 2nd person is not that effective. If he refuses then i

>> >>>> will do so without even asking for his permission. Let me explain the

>> >>>> reason for this also Lord Buddha prophecised that he will be

>> >>>> reincarnated in our/this present time by the name of MAITRAY people

>> >>>> are waiting for him. Some spiritual sects even experimented to bring

>> >>>> his soul in a body. Even a young boy (J Krishnamurthy's elder

>> >>>> brother)

>> >>>> died in this process.  BUT WHAT LORD BUDDHA MEANT TO CONVEY TO HIS

>> >>>> DISCIPLES WAS THAT GURU IN THESE TIMES WILL BE A FRIEND this is

>> >>>> actual

>> >>>> meaning that he conveyed by MAITRAY. So Prabhakar ji and Senior

>> >>>> members of this and other lalkitab groups are like maitray guru to

>> >>>> me.

>> >>>> Prabhakar ji being one of those with whom i quarrell with, abuse him,

>> >>>> yet i recieve his blessings his doors are always open knowing very

>> >>>> well what guru dakshina i have to offer. So i request him to tell

>> >>>> himself these in larger interest. Otherwise i am always at ur

>> >>>> service.

>> >>>> Regards . Kulbir.

>> >>>>

>> >>>> On 6/27/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82 wrote:

>> >>>> > Kulbir ji,

>> >>>> > I don't know sumit ji and his caliber and neither do i doubt it. i

>> >>>> > just

>> >>>> > know

>> >>>> > one thing i am probably the dumbest student in this group and

>> nowhere

>> >>>> > near

>> >>>> > as any one else here.

>> >>>> > but don't you think he needs to know the true meaning of life

>> >>>> > before

>> >>>> > touching/ " being one " with god?

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> > He is saying that " naam-jaap " is the only true way to success,if

>> >>>> > that's

>> >>>> > the

>> >>>> > case............ where do i sign?

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> > Regards

>> >>>> > Jitin Syal

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>

>> >>>> > wrote:

>> >>>> >>

>> >>>> >> Syal ji, u r right, two concepts should be clear 1. Meaning of

>> >>>> >> success

>> >>>> >> 2. Explanation about the methodology. Lets hope Sumeet ji

>> >>>> >> explains.

>> >>>> >> His explanation of horoscope matching is simply amazing. It shows

>> >>>> >> that

>> >>>> >> he has a very high calibre. He writes 81 in his id. As per my

>> >>>> >> assumption if that is his birth year then such knowledge at this

>> age

>> >>>> >> is a karishma. He indeed is a blessed soul. Regards. Kulbir.

>> >>>> >>

>> >>>> >> On 6/26/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@> wrote:

>> >>>> >> > Kulbir paaji,

>> >>>> >> > I always feel that we(humans) are here to balance our negative,

>> >>>> >> > positives

>> >>>> >> > from previous births.. if someone doesn't have something in this

>> >>>> >> > world

>> >>>> >> > he

>> >>>> >> > is

>> >>>> >> > just paying for his sins or vice versa. Even Pt. ji has left the

>> >>>> >> > " greh

>> >>>> >> > phal "

>> >>>> >> > planets untouched as somethings can't be changed.

>> >>>> >> >

>> >>>> >> > I totally agree that, any unnecessary intervention with

>> Almighty's

>> >>>> >> > plan

>> >>>> >> > WILL

>> >>>> >> > backfire, hence my point was to ask sumit ji to elaborate their

>> >>>> >> > option/way

>> >>>> >> > one where he has predicted a " sure shot " at success.

>> >>>> >> >

>> >>>> >> > yours sincerely

>> >>>> >> > Jitin Syal

>> >>>> >> >

>> >>>> >> > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@

>> >

>> >>>> >> > wrote:

>> >>>> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> Syal ji, sumeet ji will answer ur querry. I would like to share

>> a

>> >>>> >> >> fact. After world war the ratio of male child increased

>> >>>> >> >> dramatically

>> >>>> >> >> as compared to female child. 1600 : 1000. Secondly

>> >>>> >> >> determination

>> >>>> >> >> of

>> >>>> >> >> gender at conception has parameters that are generally beyond

>> >>>> >> >> human

>> >>>> >> >> control. But still nature has maintained the balance that life

>> >>>> >> >> goes

>> >>>> >> >> on. Imagind a scenario if only male or only female child

>> continued

>> >>>> >> >> say

>> >>>> >> >> for even a century. But it has not happenned. Why? There is a

>> >>>> >> >> divine

>> >>>> >> >> scheme, jyotish is a tool to understand it. This divine scheme

>> and

>> >>>> >> >> individual interests creat a confusion. Upaya may be suggessted

>> >>>> >> >> but

>> >>>> >> >> the upayagar should have knowledge of the divine scheme.

>> >>>> >> >> Unneccessary

>> >>>> >> >> intervention will not yield results in the first place and if

>> does

>> >>>> >> >> somebody is going to pay for it. Written very clearly in

>> lalkitab.

>> >>>> >> >> Guru is a kind of superimposition on a person's mind to keep

>> >>>> >> >> him

>> >>>> >> >> ever

>> >>>> >> >> alert. Regards. Kulbir.

>> >>>> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> On 6/25/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@> wrote:

>> >>>> >> >> > Sumit ji,

>> >>>> >> >> > Are you saying that option one is a gauranteed

>> success/remedial

>> >>>> >> >> > measure

>> >>>> >> >> > without any risk of " backfire " or loss of spirituality??

>> >>>> >> >> > if so, please elaborate further.

>> >>>> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> > Regards

>> >>>> >> >> > Jitin Syal

>> >>>> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> > , " sumitbansal_81 "

>> >>>> >> >> > <sumitbansal_81@>

>> >>>> >> >> > wrote:

>> >>>> >> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> Respected All,

>> >>>> >> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> It is indeed a pleasure in itself to see and read such a

>> >>>> >> >> >> beautiful

>> >>>> >> >> >> topic

>> >>>> >> >> >> related to Astrology which clearly outlines the true nature

>> and

>> >>>> >> >> >> objective

>> >>>> >> >> >> of Astrology. Kondalji has given us a marvelous insight in

>> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> basic

>> >>>> >> >> >> idea

>> >>>> >> >> >> towards the mere existance of the Jyotish Shastra. It is

>> righly

>> >>>> >> >> >> said

>> >>>> >> >> >> that

>> >>>> >> >> >> Jyotish is the " ISHVARIYA JYOTI " and is a guiding light of

>> each

>> >>>> >> >> >> and

>> >>>> >> >> >> every

>> >>>> >> >> >> human being towards achieving the " Ultimate Goal " - to

>> >>>> >> >> >> become

>> >>>> >> >> >> " One "

>> >>>> >> >> >> with

>> >>>> >> >> >> the GOD by providing the means to initiate the purification

>> >>>> >> >> >> process

>> >>>> >> >> >> of

>> >>>> >> >> >> " Chitt " and " Mann " .

>> >>>> >> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> However, even when there are millions of human beings taking

>> >>>> >> >> >> birth

>> >>>> >> >> >> on

>> >>>> >> >> >> this

>> >>>> >> >> >> planet earth, not even one percent of them ever think about

>> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> reason

>> >>>> >> >> >> as

>> >>>> >> >> >> why are they born and what is the specific task assigned to

>> >>>> >> >> >> them

>> >>>> >> >> >> by

>> >>>> >> >> >> that

>> >>>> >> >> >> one Supreme God and which is the specific path, he/she has

>> >>>> >> >> >> to

>> >>>> >> >> >> tread

>> >>>> >> >> >> in

>> >>>> >> >> >> order to achieve or fulfill that specific task?

>> >>>> >> >> >> And the saddest part of the story is that by the time one

>> >>>> >> >> >> realizes

>> >>>> >> >> >> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> need and authenticity of these questions, there is not

>> >>>> >> >> >> enough

>> >>>> >> >> >> time

>> >>>> >> >> >> left

>> >>>> >> >> >> for him to achieve the set goal. A very famous Bollywood

>> >>>> >> >> >> Song

>> >>>> >> >> >> has

>> >>>> >> >> >> rightly

>> >>>> >> >> >> described this situaltion in the following lines:

>> >>>> >> >> >>         " Ladakpan Khel Mein Khoya,

>> >>>> >> >> >>        Jawaani Neend Bhar Soya,

>> >>>> >> >> >>        Burhahpa Dekh Kar Roya,

>> >>>> >> >> >>        Yehi Kissa Puraana Hai. "

>> >>>> >> >> >> But Jyoish is that devine light which can help an individual

>> by

>> >>>> >> >> >> breaking

>> >>>> >> >> >> the spell of his slumber just as the light of the morning

>> >>>> >> >> >> sun

>> >>>> >> >> >> awakes

>> >>>> >> >> >> a

>> >>>> >> >> >> sleeping person.

>> >>>> >> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> Spiritualism oozes from each and every aspect of Jyotish

>> >>>> >> >> >> Shastra.

>> >>>> >> >> >> The

>> >>>> >> >> >> only

>> >>>> >> >> >> consideration is the " View Point " or " Nazar " by which anyone

>> >>>> >> >> >> looks

>> >>>> >> >> >> at

>> >>>> >> >> >> it.

>> >>>> >> >> >> To illustrate, I can provide a very simple example of

>> >>>> >> >> >> " Horoscope

>> >>>> >> >> >> Matching " .

>> >>>> >> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> Every human being has some kind of desire(s) present in his

>> >>>> >> >> >> heart

>> >>>> >> >> >> and

>> >>>> >> >> >> these desires then lead to the formation of " Aasha " and

>> >>>> >> >> >> " Trishna " .

>> >>>> >> >> >> This

>> >>>> >> >> >> in

>> >>>> >> >> >> turn leads to the creation of the " Karma " which ultimately

>> >>>> >> >> >> culminate

>> >>>> >> >> >> in

>> >>>> >> >> >> the formation of " Paap " and " Punya " . These Paap and Punya

>> >>>> >> >> >> are

>> >>>> >> >> >> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> deciding

>> >>>> >> >> >> factors of the type and quality of the next life which this

>> >>>> >> >> >> jeevatma

>> >>>> >> >> >> has

>> >>>> >> >> >> to undergo.

>> >>>> >> >> >> Now the ultimate Goal of any individual is to become one

>> >>>> >> >> >> with

>> >>>> >> >> >> GOD

>> >>>> >> >> >> or

>> >>>> >> >> >> to

>> >>>> >> >> >> attain the state of " Adwait " and this can only be done by

>> >>>> >> >> >> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> purification

>> >>>> >> >> >> of " Chitt " and " Mann " which can be attained by the

>> purification

>> >>>> >> >> >> of

>> >>>> >> >> >> " Karma "

>> >>>> >> >> >> and this is the exact point where Jyotish comes into play.

>> >>>> >> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> Anyone can Purify the Karmas in Two Ways, either using both

>> or

>> >>>> >> >> >> any

>> >>>> >> >> >> one

>> >>>> >> >> >> of

>> >>>> >> >> >> the two. And the two ways are:

>> >>>> >> >> >>    1. Naam Jaap - where the " Naam " is given by a " Sat-Guru "

>> >>>> >> >> >> and

>> >>>> >> >> >> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> " Sat-Guru " himself is guiding the person.

>> >>>> >> >> >>    2. Dividing or Cutting his Atma into few smaller pieces

>> and

>> >>>> >> >> >> then

>> >>>> >> >> >> purifying them one by one.

>> >>>> >> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> " YES, ATMA CAN ALSO BE CUT. " and this is the ultimate truth

>> of

>> >>>> >> >> >> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> spirituality which if understood properly, will describe as

>> how

>> >>>> >> >> >> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> GOD

>> >>>> >> >> >> is

>> >>>> >> >> >> keeping himself alive or " Amar " . I cannot describe more here

>> >>>> >> >> >> due

>> >>>> >> >> >> to

>> >>>> >> >> >> " Guru

>> >>>> >> >> >> Agya " but, the only hint I can give is that a " Sperm " or

>> " Beej "

>> >>>> >> >> >> created

>> >>>> >> >> >> inside the human body is as much living as we are and we all

>> >>>> >> >> >> are

>> >>>> >> >> >> made

>> >>>> >> >> >> from

>> >>>> >> >> >> this " Sperm " and we all have atma. Female Egg can only

>> provide

>> >>>> >> >> >> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> breeding ground for this so called " Beej " but, cannot impart

>> >>>> >> >> >> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> " Atma "

>> >>>> >> >> >> in

>> >>>> >> >> >> the " Beej " . So, where does this " Atma " comes into the " Beej "

>> >>>> >> >> >> ????

>> >>>> >> >> >> Yes,

>> >>>> >> >> >> you

>> >>>> >> >> >> guessed it right, it is the " Ansh " of our own " Atma " . And in

>> >>>> >> >> >> this

>> >>>> >> >> >> particular sense, each Father is just like " Param-Atma " to

>> his

>> >>>> >> >> >> offspring.

>> >>>> >> >> >> So, it is the atma of the Father which is cut into pieces

>> >>>> >> >> >> everytime

>> >>>> >> >> >> sperms

>> >>>> >> >> >> leaves his body. " No further explanation on this part can be

>> >>>> >> >> >> given

>> >>>> >> >> >> here

>> >>>> >> >> >> due to the sensitivity of the topic "

>> >>>> >> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> Now, if you are using the option " One " only then it is

>> >>>> >> >> >> " Okay "

>> >>>> >> >> >> in

>> >>>> >> >> >> all

>> >>>> >> >> >> sense. However, if you are using the Option " Two " or " Both

>> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> options " ,

>> >>>> >> >> >> then there is a catch that the " Ansh " or " Beej of your Atma "

>> >>>> >> >> >> might

>> >>>> >> >> >> not

>> >>>> >> >> >> get

>> >>>> >> >> >> a proper breeding ground which might result into creation of

>> >>>> >> >> >> more

>> >>>> >> >> >> desire

>> >>>> >> >> >> in the Beej due to lack of the proper " Nutrients " which a

>> Beej

>> >>>> >> >> >> might

>> >>>> >> >> >> take

>> >>>> >> >> >> from Mother which will again create " Aasha " and " Trishna "

>> >>>> >> >> >> and

>> >>>> >> >> >> so

>> >>>> >> >> >> on

>> >>>> >> >> >> to

>> >>>> >> >> >> " Paap " and " Punya " . And if this happens, then, the Beej

>> >>>> >> >> >> again

>> >>>> >> >> >> has

>> >>>> >> >> >> to

>> >>>> >> >> >> go

>> >>>> >> >> >> through the complete cycle of " Chauraasi " .

>> >>>> >> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> As explained above, the so called " Nutrients " are nothing

>> >>>> >> >> >> but

>> >>>> >> >> >> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> " Guna "

>> >>>> >> >> >> of the Mother and the " Actual Requirement of the Beej " is

>> >>>> >> >> >> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> " Guna "

>> >>>> >> >> >> of

>> >>>> >> >> >> the Father. So, if there is a mismatch between the two, then

>> >>>> >> >> >> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> Option

>> >>>> >> >> >> Two is bound to fail which will create more distress in the

>> >>>> >> >> >> human

>> >>>> >> >> >> society.

>> >>>> >> >> >> AND TO BE HONEST, OPTION TWO IS THE ONE WHICH IS BEING USED

>> IN

>> >>>> >> >> >> A

>> >>>> >> >> >> VERY

>> >>>> >> >> >> VERY

>> >>>> >> >> >> VERY LARGE PROPORTION WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE ACTUAL TRUTH

>> >>>> >> >> >> BEHIND

>> >>>> >> >> >> THE

>> >>>> >> >> >> USE OF THIS OPTION. AND ONLY JYOTISH IS CAPABLE OF

>> >>>> >> >> >> RECTIFYING

>> >>>> >> >> >> THIS

>> >>>> >> >> >> MISTAKE

>> >>>> >> >> >> OF MAN AND SHOWING AS HOW TO BEGET WORTHY CHILDREN BY PROPER

>> >>>> >> >> >> MATCHING

>> >>>> >> >> >> OF

>> >>>> >> >> >> SOIL AND SEED.

>> >>>> >> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> This clearly shows the Criticality as why Horoscope Matching

>> is

>> >>>> >> >> >> so

>> >>>> >> >> >> important and the undefiable relationship between Jyotish

>> >>>> >> >> >> and

>> >>>> >> >> >> Aadhyatam.

>> >>>> >> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> In the end I can only say that Option One is the only True

>> >>>> >> >> >> Option

>> >>>> >> >> >> as

>> >>>> >> >> >> Option Two is just like using a shortcut which has the

>> >>>> >> >> >> reputation

>> >>>> >> >> >> of

>> >>>> >> >> >> " Backfiring Percentage " set at 99.99% as the Jyotish Shastra

>> is

>> >>>> >> >> >> not

>> >>>> >> >> >> being

>> >>>> >> >> >> used as required. No one literally know as how to implement

>> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> jyotish

>> >>>> >> >> >> shastra. All just know one thing and that is how to do the

>> upai

>> >>>> >> >> >> and

>> >>>> >> >> >> that

>> >>>> >> >> >> also incorrect. If you are playing with gun loaded bullets,

>> and

>> >>>> >> >> >> you

>> >>>> >> >> >> don't

>> >>>> >> >> >> know how to use the gun properly, then at least cover

>> yourself

>> >>>> >> >> >> with

>> >>>> >> >> >> a

>> >>>> >> >> >> bulletproof dress first. Providing or telling Upai of

>> something

>> >>>> >> >> >> so

>> >>>> >> >> >> much

>> >>>> >> >> >> spiritual will only erode you spiritually unless and untill

>> you

>> >>>> >> >> >> have

>> >>>> >> >> >> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> required " Guru Kripa " .

>> >>>> >> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> I tender my apologies for being rude or harsh. My purpose of

>> >>>> >> >> >> writing

>> >>>> >> >> >> this

>> >>>> >> >> >> was not to offend anyone but to provide the exact scenario

>> >>>> >> >> >> as

>> >>>> >> >> >> what

>> >>>> >> >> >> is

>> >>>> >> >> >> being done and what could it lead to. If I have hurt the

>> >>>> >> >> >> feelings

>> >>>> >> >> >> of

>> >>>> >> >> >> anyone, then please ask yourself, " Do you really have the

>> >>>> >> >> >> required

>> >>>> >> >> >> Bullet-Proof Suite? " You will get the answer yourself. The

>> >>>> >> >> >> Supreme

>> >>>> >> >> >> God

>> >>>> >> >> >> speakes from the very inside of your " Chitt " or

>> " Ghat-Mandir " .

>> >>>> >> >> >> Listen

>> >>>> >> >> >> to

>> >>>> >> >> >> him and you will get the answer.....

>> >>>> >> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> Whatever I have learned from my revered Guruji is as under:

>> >>>> >> >> >>         " Guru Kripa Se Hai Mila,

>> >>>> >> >> >>        Jiska Naam Sunaam.

>> >>>> >> >> >>        Ghat Ghat Mein Bole Jo Sabke,

>> >>>> >> >> >>        Hai Woh Atma Ram. "

>> >>>> >> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> Regards,

>> >>>> >> >> >> Sumit Bansal.

>> >>>> >> >> >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> , maneshwar singh kondal

>> >>>> >> >> >> <mskondal@>

>> >>>> >> >> >> wrote:

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >                                  date:18-6-2009

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > hello kulbir ji,

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >                            first of

>> >>>> >> >> >> > all let me thank u for discussing such a vital point in

>> >>>> >> >> >> > astrology

>> >>>> >> >> >> > or

>> >>>> >> >> >> > everybody life that why and for what we are doing any job

>> as

>> >>>> >> >> >> > quoted

>> >>>> >> >> >> > by

>> >>>> >> >> >> > u that why we are using or doing astrology.this is a very

>> >>>> >> >> >> > crucial

>> >>>> >> >> >> > point

>> >>>> >> >> >> > and i will try to contribute from myside what ever i know

>> >>>> >> >> >> > openly

>> >>>> >> >> >> > and

>> >>>> >> >> >> > would like everybody to share their views on this topic

>> >>>> >> >> >> > because

>> >>>> >> >> >> > this

>> >>>> >> >> >> > is

>> >>>> >> >> >> > directly related to our spiritual enlightenment and

>> >>>> >> >> >> > getting

>> >>>> >> >> >> > in

>> >>>> >> >> >> > touch

>> >>>> >> >> >> > with god.this topic is never ending and i request all

>> members

>> >>>> >> >> >> > to

>> >>>> >> >> >> > keep

>> >>>> >> >> >> > on writing their true experiences and findings regarding

>> >>>> >> >> >> > spiritual

>> >>>> >> >> >> > and

>> >>>> >> >> >> > worldly astrology and try to differentiate between the

>> >>>> >> >> >> > two.

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > as kulbir ji has quoted from osho's book the words

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > jyotish

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > sampooranta

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ekta

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > advait

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > all these words are self explanatry

>> >>>> >> >> >> > but if we start explaining them then we will become short

>> of

>> >>>> >> >> >> > words

>> >>>> >> >> >> > but

>> >>>> >> >> >> > i would say that if we compile all these in one word we

>> >>>> >> >> >> > can

>> >>>> >> >> >> > say

>> >>>> >> >> >> > these

>> >>>> >> >> >> > are the qualities of one and only one supreme and that is

>> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > GOD.

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ACTUALLY WE ARE THE JEEVATMAS AND

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ARE PART OF THE SUPREME LORD AND DUE TO VARIOUS JANAMAS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND

>> >>>> >> >> >> > BIRTHS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > LOT

>> >>>> >> >> >> > OF MISCONCEPTIONS HAVE BEEN ENGRAVED IN OUR MINDS AND

>> BECAUSE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > OF

>> >>>> >> >> >> > OUR

>> >>>> >> >> >> > SANCHIT KARMAS AND DUE TO PRARABDH WE ARE GETTING BIRTHS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > AGAIN

>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND

>> >>>> >> >> >> > AGAIN AND GETTING DETACHED FROM THE SUPREME DAY BY DAY TO

>> >>>> >> >> >> > FULFIL

>> >>>> >> >> >> > OUR

>> >>>> >> >> >> > WORLDLY DEEDS,WHICH ULTIMATELY LAND US NOWHERE ELSE THAN

>> >>>> >> >> >> > REBIRTH

>> >>>> >> >> >> > TO

>> >>>> >> >> >> > FULFIL OUR DESIRES AND WE GET USED TO THE RE BIRTH CYCLE

>> AND

>> >>>> >> >> >> > CARRY

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ON

>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND FORGET OUR TRUE HOME THAT IS NONE OTHER THAN THE

>> SUPREME

>> >>>> >> >> >> > FATHER

>> >>>> >> >> >> > GOD.BUT

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > REMEBER ONE THING

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > HE WHO GIVES ,GIVES,GIVES,GIVES.......... AND FORGIVES

>> IS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > GOD

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > WHO GETS, GETS, GETS, GETS............. AND FORGETS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > IS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > HUMAN

>> >>>> >> >> >> > BEING

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > THIS IS THE NATURE OF GOD

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > BUT THEN ALSO BECAUSE OF HIS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > FORGIVING NATURE BY DEFAULT  THE SUPREME HAS PROGRAMMED

>> EACH

>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND

>> >>>> >> >> >> > EVERY

>> >>>> >> >> >> > HUMAN MIND TO THINK OF ITSELF FOR THE ACTUAL TRUTH THAT

>> >>>> >> >> >> > WHY

>> >>>> >> >> >> > HE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > IS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ON

>> >>>> >> >> >> > THIS EARTH?WHY HE IS BORN,WHAT HE HAS TO DO,IS HE HERE FOR

>> >>>> >> >> >> > MAKING

>> >>>> >> >> >> > MONEY

>> >>>> >> >> >> > OR IS HE HERE TO ENJOY WOMEN OR IS HE HERE TO FOOL OTHERS

>> OR

>> >>>> >> >> >> > IS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > HE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > HERE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > TO MAKE PROPERTY?

>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND MANY MANY OTHER QUESTIONS, EVERY HUMAN THINKS IN HIS

>> MIND

>> >>>> >> >> >> > SOME

>> >>>> >> >> >> > DAY

>> >>>> >> >> >> > SOME TIME .

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > THOSE R LUCKY WHO THINK AT EARLY

>> >>>> >> >> >> > STAGE OF LIFE AND MANY THINK AT LATER AGE BUT ALL OF THEM

>> TRY

>> >>>> >> >> >> > TO

>> >>>> >> >> >> > UNDERSTAND THE ACTUAL THING AND SOME R  ABLE TO GET

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ANSWERS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > BUT

>> >>>> >> >> >> > THEY

>> >>>> >> >> >> > DONT HAVE THE TIME TO USE IT PRACTICALLY BECAUSE LIFE IS

>> TOO

>> >>>> >> >> >> > SHORT.

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > SO  JYOTISH      MEANS    ISHVARIYA JYOTI AND EVERYBODY IS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > HAVING

>> >>>> >> >> >> > A

>> >>>> >> >> >> > PART OF IT BUT HOW MANY HAVE REALISED IT?

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > SAMPOORANTA    MEANS  WHO HAS MASTERD THE ALL

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > EKTA                      MEANS  ONENESS

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ADWAIT                  AGAIN THE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > PERSON WHO HAS RAISED ABOVE FROM THE  DVAIT  BHAV THAT

>> MEANS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > HE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > HAS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > NO

>> >>>> >> >> >> > DIFFERENCE BETWEEN

>> >>>> >> >> >> > T

>> >>>> >> >> >> > -                              HE TWO. MEANS JO DO SE EK

>> ROOP

>> >>>> >> >> >> > HO

>> >>>> >> >> >> > JAYE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > .

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > AS I SAID IT IS JUST A START I DONT

>> >>>> >> >> >> > KNOW WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN ,BUT THIS IS THE TOPIC WHICH IS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ATTACHED

>> >>>> >> >> >> > WITH

>> >>>> >> >> >> > EVERY BODY LIFE SO KEEP ON DISCUSSING IT .PRADEEP SHARMA

>> >>>> >> >> >> > JI

>> >>>> >> >> >> > WAS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > TELLING

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ME MOST OF THE TIMES THAT I SHOULD START SUCH A TOPIC BUT

>> >>>> >> >> >> > I

>> >>>> >> >> >> > WAS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > WAITING

>> >>>> >> >> >> > REALLY FOR THE DAY, THAT THERE WILL BE A DAY WHEN SOME ONE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > WILL

>> >>>> >> >> >> > COME

>> >>>> >> >> >> > OUT OF SO MANY LEARNED PEOPLE AND WILL ASK FOR THE TRUE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > MEANING

>> >>>> >> >> >> > OF

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ASTROLOGY.YET I HAVE NOT WRITTEN MUCH BUT I WILL LOVE TO

>> >>>> >> >> >> > WRITE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > MORE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > BECAUSE THIS IS THE QUESTION RELATED TO OUR TRUE SELF AND

>> IT

>> >>>> >> >> >> > IS

>> >>>> >> >> >> > MY

>> >>>> >> >> >> > FOREMOST DUTY TO ANSWER AND WILL TRY TO TELL WHAT I

>> >>>> >> >> >> > EXPERIENCED

>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND

>> >>>> >> >> >> > WILL LEARN FROM ALL MY SENIORS AND COLLEAGUES WHO R REALLY

>> >>>> >> >> >> > DESPERATELY

>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND SINCERELY FINDING LOTS AND LOTS OF THINGS BY  MEANS OF

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ASTROLOGY

>> >>>> >> >> >> > TO

>> >>>> >> >> >> > GIVE BENEFITS TO THE SOCIETY

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > THERE IS A GURUBANI QUOTE        BHAYI PRAPAT MANUKH

>> DEOHRIA

>> >>>> >> >> >> > GOBIND

>> >>>> >> >> >> > MILAN KI EHO TERI BARIYA

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> AVAR

>> >>>> >> >> >> > KAAJ

>> >>>> >> >> >> > TERE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > KITE NAA KAAM MIL SAADH SANGAT BHAJ KEVAL NAAM

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > MEANS:                                  FOR WHAT U HAVE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > GOT

>> >>>> >> >> >> > BIRTH

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ON

>> >>>> >> >> >> > THIS UNIVERSE? U HAVE GOT THIS HUMAN BODY TO MEET THE

>> SUPREME

>> >>>> >> >> >> > THE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE AND THAT TOO U CAN DO WITHIN THIS HUMAN BIRTH

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ONLY,YOUR

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ALL

>> >>>> >> >> >> > OTHER DEEDS WONT GIVE U ANYTHING AT ALL,ONLY AND ONLY

>> >>>> >> >> >> > RECITATION

>> >>>> >> >> >> > OF

>> >>>> >> >> >> > THE

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE AND GETTING UNITED WITH IT IS YOUR GOAL.

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > in the last i would say, by the help

>> >>>> >> >> >> > of astrology everybody should try to find the sins or the

>> >>>> >> >> >> > sanchit

>> >>>> >> >> >> > karmas by means of planets and try to get rid of their

>> >>>> >> >> >> > influences

>> >>>> >> >> >> > by

>> >>>> >> >> >> > jap daan homas and sewa and many other means but should do

>> >>>> >> >> >> > these

>> >>>> >> >> >> > things

>> >>>> >> >> >> > sincerely and with a fear in mind that i have to get out

>> >>>> >> >> >> > of

>> >>>> >> >> >> > this

>> >>>> >> >> >> > cycle

>> >>>> >> >> >> > or any bad habit which i am having because of the planets

>> bad

>> >>>> >> >> >> > influence, because of sanchit karmas.so we r here to get

>> >>>> >> >> >> > lessons

>> >>>> >> >> >> > from

>> >>>> >> >> >> > our previous births and lead a new life in this birth with

>> >>>> >> >> >> > the

>> >>>> >> >> >> > help

>> >>>> >> >> >> > of

>> >>>> >> >> >> > astrology by trying to rectifying our bad vices and lusts

>> for

>> >>>> >> >> >> > life

>> >>>> >> >> >> > and

>> >>>> >> >> >> > try to become detached from worldly deeds.sorry everybody

>> if

>> >>>> >> >> >> > i

>> >>>> >> >> >> > had

>> >>>> >> >> >> > written anything wrong and ever hurt any body sentiments..

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > Regards

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > MS KONDAL

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ________________________________

>> >>>> >> >> >> > kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:53:08 AM

>> >>>> >> >> >> > Re: Ashok ji; why study

>> >>>> >> >> >> > astrology?

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > Respected Ashok ji; since the day u asked " why am i

>> >>>> >> >> >> > interested

>> >>>> >> >> >> > in

>> >>>> >> >> >> > study of astrology " i was looking for an answer. I read

>> >>>> >> >> >> > Osho's

>> >>>> >> >> >> > article

>> >>>> >> >> >> > on astrology he writes " JYOTISH SAMPOORANTA, EAKTA AUR

>> >>>> >> >> >> > ADVAIT

>> >>>> >> >> >> > KA

>> >>>> >> >> >> > VIGYAN HAI " . Regards. Kulbir.

>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ > wrote:

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Kulbir Ji,

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Thanks a lots.

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Best of regards

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Ashok Singh

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@

>> gmail.com>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > wrote:

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Re: Health, Sucess/Failure (HOW

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > MUCH

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > ??

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > )

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Monday, June 15, 2009, 11:36 AM

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Ashok ji, page 155-157 of 1952 part 3 uploaded by Nirmal

>> ji

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > ....

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > SEHAT, BIMARI, NAFA, NUKSAAN, FATEH, SHIKASAT (these

>> words

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > include

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > all

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > of ur querries) har do pehlu ke liye yahi asool honge.

>> This

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > line

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > is

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > 2nd line under subhead BIMAARI on page 155 as ref.

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > above.

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > But

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > my

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > friend this is not all inclusive. e.g. Bimari of aathraa

>> is

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > explained

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > in farmaan no. 161 1939 volume. Go in for short cuts

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > only

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > in

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > desperate

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > situation. For study and research follow guidelines

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > given

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > by

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > pt.

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Ji

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > in

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > SARSARI NOTE Regards. Kulbir.

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >

>> >>>> >> >> >> > > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ > wrote:

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Kulbir Ji,

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Thanks for the reply. If you can write me where in lal

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> kitab

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> written

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> how

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> to

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> evaluate

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> the native range of success, that would be great.

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> I am very much interested in the intensity(scale) of

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> health,

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> success

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> or

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> failure.

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Best regards

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Ashok Singh

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> --- On Fri, 6/12/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@

>> gmail.com>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> wrote:

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Re: Health, Sucess/Failure

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> (HOW

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> MUCH

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> ?? )

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Friday, June 12, 2009, 12:03 PM

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Ashok ji, what u are saying is represented loosely by

>> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> term

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> oxymoron. Secondly health and success may be related

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> somehow.

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> But

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> illness is no deterent to success. Then success in

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> which

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> field?

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> It

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> has

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> to be specific. Lastly the dictum that all houses and

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> planets

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> have

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> to

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> be considered before reaching a conclusion. This type

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> of

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> isolated

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> study is against the basic rules of lalkitab. Regards.

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Kulbir.

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> On 6/12/09, y2k_aksingh <y2k_aksingh@ > wrote:

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> Dear Members,

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> In a horoscope priciple to see health,sucess/ failure

>> is

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> same.

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> Can we find range of sucess as in Lal kitab written

>> HNo.

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> 10

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> shows

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> the intensity of illiness does it applicable for

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> sucess

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> also.

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> It would be really appreciated.

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> My real goal is to find HOW MUCH i.e. what would be

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> the

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> range

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> of

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> sucess.

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> Thanks

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> Ashok

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> --

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Respected kondal sahibis samay is group me jo mail padhane ko mil rahi hai wah kalpana se pare hai.is group ne apni yatra kin udesho ko leker ki thi aur ye kaha pahunch gaya.old school me kuch bhi old nahi.par phir bhi nirash nahi hoo.acche din phir aayenge.aache vichar phir soone ko milenge.desh prem se bhari.aapni paramparo se judi bhai vipin shukla ji ki mail aasha jagati hai,spirituality se bhari kondal sahib aur sumit ji ki mail hosla deti hai,bebaki se rekhe gaye kulvir gi ke vichar takat dete hai.SAD GURU jaroor kripa karenge.GURU PURNIMA KE AWSAR PAR MAHAN ATMA PARAM PUJYA PANDIT JI KO mere parnaammaneshwar singh kondal <mskondal Sent: Monday, 6 July, 2009 2:18:44 PMRe: Why study Astrology?- Request to Mr. Kulbir

 

dear kulbir ji , first of all hello to you and pranaam to all of our seniors and colleagues,actually i was out, not at my place for the last few days .today i read all the mails and was surprised to see everything

happened. first of all let me clear this that i really felt very bad when i read in your mail in which u had said that you will stop writing.as far as i know you and prabhakar ji ,both of u had contributed a lot to the group till date and and will keep on continuing giving your valuable advices and research work to students like us.i know how both of you and many others have worked hard for this group .and i have seen that how deeply you go to any

point. as we know that any writer is free to express his or her own feelings freely.there is no harm in telling your views to others and and listening to others with a patience is another art which is rather more difficult and any astrologer has to master it. discussion is always good .all of us are matured enough not to act in such a manner and in hurry.if this topic has become such a reason that kulbir ji is saying that he will stop writing.then i would prefer to stop discussing at such topic and request other

members to start some common topic. i think in the book for people like us it is written " yuun to firte hain lakhon kroron daana sayane jo khoob kar k dekha aakhir khuda ki baatein khuda hi jaane"prabhakar ji, kulbir ji nirmal ji and many others are the main pillars of this group.and i know that this is a temporary snag and it will go from now onwards.yeh lal

kitab hai hi aisi ki aadmi jis kissi bhi chhez ko mukh rakh kar padega us ko woh hi dikhna shuru ho jata hai ,and he is lost in that.and this is the beauty of this book.is mein padne wale ka koi kassoor nahin.i really feel sorry if i had hurt either your or any body feelings . regardsMS KONDAL kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>Monday, July 6, 2009 12:07:41 AMRe: Why study Astrology?- Request to Mr. KulbirYogesh ji, i understand ur point. I was doing what i learned fromthem. I was instructed that writing something that gives theimpression that it is ur original thought but actually borrowed fromsomeone or gifted by someone means AMAANAT ME KHAYANAT. I will stopwriting but it is a request to allow me a last mail on the subjectwhere i will quote the name of the author and the book. The publisheris a member of this group and hopefully he won't drag me intocopyright

issue.

Credibility is not an issue with me. Credit should goto persons who taught me. But i agree with u, it is their belonging,why should i intervene, it is there discretion when and whom to give.I admit i committed a mistake but it was in good faith. One last mailtommorrow and then i quit writing. Thanks for ur concern. Kulbir.On 7/5/09, yogesh jaitely <yogesh.jaitely@ gmail.com> wrote:> Dear Kulbir Ji,> The request of Sh. Pardeep Kumar Sharma is genuine. almost, in every mail> you quote the name of one or another member of the group in about their> views of the subject. Mr.Kondal,Pardeep, Umesh, Yograj etc are the members> of this group and they can themselve say what they want to quote. You should> give your own views. you should refrain from using others

name. This may> some times

create awkward position for others like Pardeep kumar this time> has and also give question mark to the credibility of the person quoting> others name.> Your mailsshow the depth of knowledge you have in the subject. Please shower> your that knowledge.> Please don't mind.> Yogesh>> On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 7:13 PM, PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA <lalkitab_l (AT) (DOT) co.in>> wrote:>>>>>>> Respected kulbir ji>> There is a humble request with folded hands.Pl. donot quote my name in any>> reference in this group.I am a big zero in this field and try to learn a>> word or two by reading the mails of this group and Dr. Upadhaya group. I>> donot know whether i would be able to learn abc in this birth. you

all>> are>>

requested to keep your blessing on me as before .>>>>>> ------------ --------- --------->> ** kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>>> *To:* >> *Sent:* Wednesday, 1 July, 2009 11:58:22 PM>> *Subject:* Re: Why study Astrology?>>>> Respected Kondal Sahib, Pardeep sharma ji told me that read lalkitab>> as a spiritual book. Unki agya sar mathe. I have started my study>> afresh. I am stuck at pakka ghar khanna no.2 line PHAL 2-11 APNA APNA>> DHARAM MANDIR GURUDWARA MEIN . What is the difference between dharam>> mandir and gurudwara.

Regards. Kulbir.>>>> On 7/1/09, maneshwar singh

kondal <mskondal > wrote:>> > dear kulbir ji,>> > you are true what you have said and i do agree>> with>> > it but again it depends on that how you attain education. any vidya or>> > education learned by self i mean to say not under the guidence of guru>> leads>> > the disciple to proudness{ahakar} and education learned under the>> guidence>> > of the guru leads the disciple to higher ends of life and down to earth>> > tendecy and disciple gets blessed too and further more doors are opened>> for>> > higher learning otherwise apne aap vidya pad k ahankaar yukt ho kar>> > vidyaarthi

bhatakna mein phas jata

hain.>> >>> >>> there>> > is a classic reference from ancient granths and that is the conversation>> > between rishiudalik and his son shwetketu.in which shwetketu after>> learning>> > all the vedas ,and other granths from the age of twelve to twenty four>> years>> > return home and very proudly says to his father on returning that i have>> > learnt all the vedas and different scriptures and i am fully versed in>> > them,you ask me anything i will answer and at that very moment his>> > father>> > said>> > that have you learnt that education or vidya with which one is able to>> learn>> > all the things.nothing is left to be learnt.one becomes to hear the>> > unhearble also and after knowing which nothing is left to learn .and it>>

is>> > in scriptures that at that very moment the son realised that what sort>> > of>> > mistake he has done and at that very moment he bowed in front of his>> father>> > and tells him to become his guru and give him the said education.it is>> worth>> > reading the conversation between the father and son .>> >>> > whenever we will meet i will narrate u the whole in detail and we can>> > discuss openly.its a long conversation but full of knowledge.there are>> > always lots and lots of schools each and every school differs in its>> > thoughts but their prime moto is to help the humanity instead of only>> self>> > .but that is the best in which one helps humanity also and on the same>> hand>> > leads himself also to higher spiritual plane .>>

>>> > Regards>> > MS KONDAL>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > ____________ _________ _________ __>> > kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>>> > >> > Wednesday, July 1, 2009 7:02:04 PM>> > Re: Why study Astrology?>> >>> > Respected Kondal Sahib, the first day i went to astrology class the>> > teacher there gave a lecture. A person went to lord Buddha and>> > requested that he had some questions to ask. Lord Buddha said i will>> > answer all

ur questions but before that u will have to live here in>>

> the sangh for one whole year. I will impose no conditions, do whatever>> > u like but take care not to disturb others. He agreed, lived there,>> > heard lords discourses.. After one year lord called him and asked. Now>> > ask whatever questions u have. The person with folded hands said>> > "saare prashan hi gir gaye ab poochne ko kuch raha hi nahin" so is the>> > case with lalkitab. All it requires patience and faith, then all>> > questions drop slowly. What can be more spiritual than this. Regards.>> > Kulbir.>> >>> > On 7/1/09, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal > wrote:>> >>>> >> dated:1-7-2009>> >> dear kulbir

ji,>> >>

very well said blessed persons like pundit jee>> never>> >> feel any binding in giving or distributing knowledge and they find no>> >> difference in humanity.>> >>>> >> Gurus work is to open the knot rightly and forever.>> >>>> >> when ever something good is written or explored in that case it is done>> >> for>> >> the whole mankind by the holy persons and such blessed like pundit ji>> are>> >> always free of bondages and the clutches of getting fame and praise for>> >> whatever they have done or are doing ,they are the trend setters ..>> >> already mentioned any dignity or any good soul rather i will say>> >> blessed>> >> soul wont feel any bondages or bindings on giving and

sharing whatever>> he>> >> or>> >> she has experienced or learned in his life.>> >> no one can>> >> impose>> >> anything on anybody it is everyones free will whether to accept or>> reject>> >> the proposal but if there is pure truth in the saying or teaching>> whatever>> >> is said no one can deny it because that saying will reflect in one or>> >> another manner in your life and you have to accept it.>> >>>> >> i think all might be thinking that in this topic we till date havent>> >> discussed anything on remedial measure or astrological part but

let me>> >> tell>> >> you this topic is really necessary to be discussed prior to all,because>> >> astrology itself is full of how,what, when,why and many more questions>> and>> >> anyone whosoever want to read or study astrology ,for him the foremost>> >> question for him would arise that for what he is learning astrology?>> >>>> >> is he learning astrology for himself?>> >> or learning to get rid of self problems.u might have>> seen>> >> that most of the people who are astrologers these days ,had gone>> through>> >> really tough time in their past and decided to learn it.>> >>

or told to do so because of their family tradition as is>> >> done in pundits families,family tradition.>> >> or person really want to serve the humanity selflessly>> >> like>> >> pundit jee.>> >> or to make money as these days lot of people think>> >> that>> >> astrology is a very good tool for making money.>> >> in all i would like to say that it depends>> on>> >> us that how do we see to get ourself attached with the learning.from>> that>> >> very starting point our intentions and further results of outcomings>>

could>> >> be derived eithr positive or negative outcome.>> >>>> >> it is rightly said>> >>>> >> " nazraein badli to nazare badal gaye>> >> kishti badli to kinare badal gaye.">> >>>> >> our senior Sh. Yograjji has written very>> >> nicely>> >> what he has felt and observed by being a witness and has expressed his>> >> feelings on the ongoing discussion.i am slow in writing.i would preffer>> to>> >> have discussion by sitting face

to face with each other because there>> are>> >> too many things which we can discuss easily and fluently and that too>> >> in>> >> big>> >> numbers but when it comes to writing person like me fells handicaped.>> >>>> >> otherwise i know this topic will make every one to think atleast once>> that>> >> what is their soul purpose of learning or study astrology?>> >>>> >> Regards,>> >> MS KONDAL>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> ____________ _________ _________ __>> >> kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>>> >> >> >> Wednesday, July 1, 2009 10:44:31 AM>> >> Re: Why study Astrology?>> >>>> >> Guruji, what pt ji has written in lalkitab and what his contemporaries>> >> say about his life style clearly shows that pt ji was a very broad>> >> minded person. He has clearly written in SARSARI NOTE what is required>> >> to understand this book. Some extra tools can make the job easier e.g.>> >> Pt ji did the calculation part manually but now softwares are used.>> >> Guru may be helpful in that sense but the guru should not be such as>> >> he binds the subject. Pt ji was open minded to such an extent that he>> >> laid great

stress on purani rasme, kul purohit etc. He hinself

didn't>> >> wanted to be a guru. He gave whatever he had without any bondages.>> >> Reccommending something that might be helpful but Imposing is not>> >> right. Regards. Kulbir.>> >>>> >> On 6/30/09, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ > wrote:>> >>> Dear Kulbir ji>> >>>>> >>> First of all, I strongly object to the conspiracy initiated by you and>> >>> Jitin>> >>> against me to deprive me of the title "The Dumbest". Mind you, I am>> >>> the>> >>> most>> >>> eligible person for this title in the field of Lal Kitab.>> >>>>> >>> Since I have nothing to do with

this spirituality thing, I am

unable>> >>> to>> >>> comment on that. But "je ghoDi chaDhaya nee – taan chaDhdey taan>> batherey>> >>> dekhey hi ney. So I would humbly like to convey to my learned>> colleagues>> >>> in>> >>> the forum that in my view spirituality in not like boasting of>> >>> "having">> >>> something special, rather it's a process of becoming the absolute>> >>> ZERO.>> >>> I>> >>> believe that this Zero status can be achieved without possessing>> anything>> >>> special, but an open mind. I know many such people who are living in>> >>> this>> >>> materialistic world but still possess the high degree of this quality.>> >>>>> >>> Now, a few words about

Guru. My dear friends, a Guru is not>> necessarily>> >>> a>> >>> human being. An ideology, an idea, a theory, even a good saying can be>> >>> one's>> >>> Guru. Moreover in my personal humble opinion, those whom Pundit jee>> >>> has>> >>> selected to spread the knowledge of divine Lal Kitab, those who are>> >>> fortunate enough to touch these sacred scriptures, do not require any>> >>> other>> >>> Guru or Sad-Guru for the matter, or did they?>> >>>>> >>> I don't know what the spirituality or Guru means to others. But I>> expect>> >>> every true Lal kitab student to be a broad minded like Pundit jee and>> >>> always>> >>> ready to share. I hate the tendency of "chunj

Dubowan – par lukowan">> >>> adopted>> >>> by some of our exalted colleagues. No one should feel himself free of>> his>> >>> sacred duties after writing a few mails in the group, it is a>> >>> perpetual>> >>> process and everybody has to work hard to complete the task assigned>> >>> by>> >>> Pundit jee. So my dear friends, no half measure will do. Further>> >>> propagation>> >>> of such fatal tendencies will lead us to nowhere.>> >>>>> >>> I read all the beautiful posts, and the following is my observation:>> >>>>> >>> (1). whatever Mr Sumit has written, reflects whatever he has been>> >>> "Taught".>> >>> (2). whatever Mr Jitin has expressed, indicates whatever

he has>> >>> "Learned".>> >>> (3). whatever Mr Kulbir has written, clearly shows whatever he has>> >>> "Learned>> >>> and experienced" .>> >>> (4). Whatever Acharya MS Kondal sahib has written is the part and>> parcel>> >>> of>> >>> his "Basic training".>> >>> (5). and whatever I have expressed in the above lines is, whatever I>> >>> "felt".>> >>>>> >>> I will share those interesting fables on an appropriate time as>> >>> desired>> >>> by>> >>> you.>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> Sincerely>> >>> Yograj Prabhakar>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ ...>>> >>> wrote:>> >>>>>> >>>> Syal ji, i am the dumbest, don't have a Satguru so i know totally>> >>>> nothing about Sumeet ji's method but it has an appeal moresoever when>> >>>> Kondal Sahib's endorses. U asked Where to sign for sure shot>> >>>> remedies?>> >>>> I can only share my practical experience. Remedial portion involves>> >>>> an>> >>>> extra dimension. Prabhakar ji is a guru. He explained this dimension>> >>>> by telling a mythological story of Ek Pathi Ek Munda. These fables>> >>>> might not have actually happenned but the essence

is a saar

of>> >>>> observation of thousands of years which the seers observed. I come>> >>>> from a rural background so i understood it in punjabi. I don't have>> >>>> any forbiddance from his side to hide anything that i got from him.>> >>>> But i would like him to translate it and send it in english also the>> >>>> story of Buggla phadna and Syani Jethani Kamali Dewarani. Because>> >>>> translation by 2nd person is not that effective. If he refuses then i>> >>>> will do so without even asking for his permission. Let me explain the>> >>>> reason for this also Lord Buddha prophecised that he will be>> >>>> reincarnated in our/this present time by the name of MAITRAY people>> >>>> are waiting for him. Some spiritual sects even experimented to

bring>> >>>> his soul in a body. Even a young boy (J Krishnamurthy' s elder>> >>>> brother)>> >>>> died in this process. BUT WHAT LORD BUDDHA MEANT TO CONVEY TO HIS>> >>>> DISCIPLES WAS THAT GURU IN THESE TIMES WILL BE A FRIEND this is>> >>>> actual>> >>>> meaning that he conveyed by MAITRAY. So Prabhakar ji and Senior>> >>>> members of this and other lalkitab groups are like maitray guru to>> >>>> me.>> >>>> Prabhakar ji being one of those with whom i quarrell with, abuse him,>> >>>> yet i recieve his blessings his doors are always open knowing very>> >>>> well what guru dakshina i have to offer. So i request him to tell>> >>>> himself these in larger interest. Otherwise i am always at

ur>> >>>> service.>> >>>> Regards . Kulbir.>> >>>>>> >>>> On 6/27/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@ ...> wrote:>> >>>> > Kulbir ji,>> >>>> > I don't know sumit ji and his caliber and neither do i doubt it. i>> >>>> > just>> >>>> > know>> >>>> > one thing i am probably the dumbest student in this group and>> nowhere>> >>>> > near>> >>>> > as any one else here.>> >>>> > but don't you think he needs to know the true meaning of life>> >>>> > before>> >>>> > touching/ "being one" with god?>> >>>> >>> >>>> > He is saying that "naam-jaap" is the only true way to

success,if>> >>>> > that's>> >>>> > the>> >>>> > case........ .... where do i sign?>> >>>> >>> >>>> > Regards>> >>>> > Jitin Syal>> >>>> >>> >>>> > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>>> >>>> > wrote:>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> Syal ji, u r right, two concepts should be clear 1. Meaning of>> >>>> >> success>> >>>> >> 2. Explanation about the methodology. Lets hope Sumeet ji>> >>>> >> explains.>> >>>> >> His

explanation of horoscope matching is

simply amazing. It shows>> >>>> >> that>> >>>> >> he has a very high calibre. He writes 81 in his id. As per my>> >>>> >> assumption if that is his birth year then such knowledge at this>> age>> >>>> >> is a karishma. He indeed is a blessed soul. Regards. Kulbir.>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> On 6/26/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@> wrote:>> >>>> >> > Kulbir paaji,>> >>>> >> > I always feel that we(humans) are here to balance our negative,>> >>>> >> > positives>> >>>> >> > from previous births.. if someone doesn't have something in this>> >>>> >> > world>> >>>> >> > he>> >>>>

>> > is>> >>>> >> > just paying for his sins or vice versa. Even Pt. ji has left the>> >>>> >> > "greh>> >>>> >> > phal">> >>>> >> > planets untouched as somethings can't be changed.>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> > I totally agree that, any unnecessary intervention with>> Almighty's>> >>>> >> > plan>> >>>> >> > WILL>> >>>> >> > backfire, hence my point was to ask sumit ji to elaborate their>> >>>> >> > option/way>> >>>> >> > one where he has predicted a "sure shot" at success.>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> > yours sincerely>> >>>>

>> > Jitin Syal>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>> >>> >>>> >> > wrote:>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> Syal ji, sumeet ji will answer ur querry. I would like to share>> a>> >>>> >> >> fact. After world war the ratio of male child increased>> >>>> >> >> dramatically>> >>>> >> >> as compared to female child. 1600 : 1000. Secondly>> >>>> >> >> determination>> >>>> >> >> of>> >>>> >> >>

gender at conception has

parameters that are generally beyond>> >>>> >> >> human>> >>>> >> >> control. But still nature has maintained the balance that life>> >>>> >> >> goes>> >>>> >> >> on. Imagind a scenario if only male or only female child>> continued>> >>>> >> >> say>> >>>> >> >> for even a century. But it has not happenned. Why? There is a>> >>>> >> >> divine>> >>>> >> >> scheme, jyotish is a tool to understand it. This divine scheme>> and>> >>>> >> >> individual interests creat a confusion. Upaya may be suggessted>> >>>> >> >> but>> >>>> >> >> the upayagar should have knowledge of

the divine scheme.>> >>>> >> >> Unneccessary>> >>>> >> >> intervention will not yield results in the first place and if>> does>> >>>> >> >> somebody is going to pay for it. Written very clearly in>> lalkitab.>> >>>> >> >> Guru is a kind of superimposition on a person's mind to keep>> >>>> >> >> him>> >>>> >> >> ever>> >>>> >> >> alert. Regards. Kulbir.>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> On 6/25/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@> wrote:>> >>>> >> >> > Sumit ji,>> >>>> >> >> > Are you saying that option one is a gauranteed>> success/remedial>>

>>>> >> >> > measure>> >>>> >> >> > without any risk of "backfire" or loss of spirituality? ?>> >>>> >> >> > if so, please elaborate further.>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> > Regards>> >>>> >> >> > Jitin Syal>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> > , "sumitbansal_ 81">> >>>> >> >> > <sumitbansal_ 81@>>> >>>> >> >> > wrote:>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> Respected

All,>> >>>>

>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> It is indeed a pleasure in itself to see and read such a>> >>>> >> >> >> beautiful>> >>>> >> >> >> topic>> >>>> >> >> >> related to Astrology which clearly outlines the true nature>> and>> >>>> >> >> >> objective>> >>>> >> >> >> of Astrology. Kondalji has given us a marvelous insight in>> the>> >>>> >> >> >> basic>> >>>> >> >> >> idea>> >>>> >> >> >> towards the mere existance of the Jyotish Shastra. It is>> righly>> >>>> >> >> >> said>> >>>> >> >>

>> that>> >>>> >> >> >> Jyotish is the "ISHVARIYA JYOTI" and is a guiding light of>> each>> >>>> >> >> >> and>> >>>> >> >> >> every>> >>>> >> >> >> human being towards achieving the "Ultimate Goal" - to>> >>>> >> >> >> become>> >>>> >> >> >> "One">> >>>> >> >> >> with>> >>>> >> >> >> the GOD by providing the means to initiate the purification>> >>>> >> >> >> process>> >>>> >> >> >> of>> >>>> >> >> >> "Chitt" and "Mann".>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>>

>> >> >> However, even when there are millions of human beings taking>> >>>> >> >> >> birth>> >>>> >> >> >> on>> >>>> >> >> >> this>> >>>> >> >> >> planet earth, not even one percent of them ever think about>> the>> >>>> >> >> >> reason>> >>>> >> >> >> as>> >>>> >> >> >> why are they born and what is the specific task assigned to>> >>>> >> >> >> them>> >>>> >> >> >> by>> >>>> >> >> >> that>> >>>> >> >> >> one Supreme God and which is the specific path, he/she has>> >>>>

>> >> >> to>> >>>> >> >> >> tread>> >>>> >> >> >> in>> >>>> >> >> >> order to achieve or fulfill that specific task?>> >>>> >> >> >> And the saddest part of the story is that by the time one>> >>>> >> >> >> realizes>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> need and authenticity of these questions, there is not>> >>>> >> >> >> enough>> >>>> >> >> >> time>> >>>> >> >> >> left>> >>>> >> >> >> for him to achieve the set goal. A very famous Bollywood>> >>>> >> >> >>

Song>> >>>> >> >> >> has>> >>>> >> >> >> rightly>> >>>> >> >> >> described this situaltion in the following lines:>> >>>> >> >> >> "Ladakpan Khel Mein Khoya,>> >>>> >> >> >> Jawaani Neend Bhar Soya,>> >>>> >> >> >> Burhahpa Dekh Kar Roya,>> >>>> >> >> >> Yehi Kissa Puraana Hai.">> >>>> >> >> >> But Jyoish is that devine light which can help an individual>> by>> >>>> >> >> >> breaking>> >>>> >> >> >> the spell of his slumber just as the light of

the morning>> >>>> >> >> >> sun>> >>>> >> >> >> awakes>> >>>> >> >> >> a>> >>>> >> >> >> sleeping person.>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> Spiritualism oozes from each and every aspect of Jyotish>> >>>> >> >> >> Shastra.>> >>>> >> >> >> The>> >>>> >> >> >> only>> >>>> >> >> >> consideration is the "View Point" or "Nazar" by which anyone>> >>>> >> >> >> looks>> >>>> >> >> >> at>> >>>> >> >> >> it.>> >>>> >> >>

>> To illustrate, I can provide a very simple example of>> >>>> >> >> >> "Horoscope>> >>>> >> >> >> Matching".>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> Every human being has some kind of desire(s) present in his>> >>>> >> >> >> heart>> >>>> >> >> >> and>> >>>> >> >> >> these desires then lead to the formation of "Aasha" and>> >>>> >> >> >> "Trishna".>> >>>> >> >> >> This>> >>>> >> >> >> in>> >>>> >> >> >> turn leads to the creation of the "Karma" which ultimately>> >>>> >> >> >>

culminate>> >>>> >> >> >> in>> >>>> >> >> >> the formation of "Paap" and "Punya". These Paap and Punya>> >>>> >> >> >> are>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> deciding>> >>>> >> >> >> factors of the type and quality of the next life which this>> >>>> >> >> >> jeevatma>> >>>> >> >> >> has>> >>>> >> >> >> to undergo.>> >>>> >> >> >> Now the ultimate Goal of any individual is to become one>> >>>> >> >> >> with>> >>>> >> >> >> GOD>> >>>> >> >> >>

or>> >>>> >> >> >> to>> >>>> >> >> >> attain the state of "Adwait" and this can only be done by>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> purification>> >>>> >> >> >> of "Chitt" and "Mann" which can be attained by the>> purification>> >>>> >> >> >> of>> >>>> >> >> >> "Karma">> >>>> >> >> >> and this is the exact point where Jyotish comes into play.>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> Anyone can Purify the Karmas in Two Ways, either using both>> or>> >>>> >> >> >> any>> >>>> >>

>> >> one>> >>>> >> >> >> of>> >>>> >> >> >> the two. And the two ways are:>> >>>> >> >> >> 1. Naam Jaap - where the "Naam" is given by a "Sat-Guru">> >>>> >> >> >> and>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> "Sat-Guru" himself is guiding the person.>> >>>> >> >> >> 2. Dividing or Cutting his Atma into few smaller pieces>> and>> >>>> >> >> >> then>> >>>> >> >> >> purifying them one by one.>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> "YES, ATMA CAN ALSO BE CUT." and this is the ultimate

truth>> of>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> spirituality which if understood properly, will describe as>> how>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> GOD>> >>>> >> >> >> is>> >>>> >> >> >> keeping himself alive or "Amar". I cannot describe more here>> >>>> >> >> >> due>> >>>> >> >> >> to>> >>>> >> >> >> "Guru>> >>>> >> >> >> Agya" but, the only hint I can give is that a "Sperm" or>> "Beej">> >>>> >> >> >> created>> >>>> >> >> >> inside the human body is

as much living as we are and we all>> >>>> >> >> >> are>> >>>> >> >> >> made>> >>>> >> >> >> from>> >>>> >> >> >> this "Sperm" and we all have atma. Female Egg can only>> provide>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> breeding ground for this so called "Beej" but, cannot impart>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> "Atma">> >>>> >> >> >> in>> >>>> >> >> >> the "Beej". So, where does this "Atma" comes into the "Beej">> >>>> >> >> >> ????>> >>>> >> >> >> Yes,>>

>>>> >> >> >> you>> >>>> >> >> >> guessed it right, it is the "Ansh" of our own "Atma". And in>> >>>> >> >> >> this>> >>>> >> >> >> particular sense, each Father is just like "Param-Atma" to>> his>> >>>> >> >> >> offspring.>> >>>> >> >> >> So, it is the atma of the Father which is cut into pieces>> >>>> >> >> >> everytime>> >>>> >> >> >> sperms>> >>>> >> >> >> leaves his body. "No further explanation on this part can be>> >>>> >> >> >> given>> >>>> >> >> >> here>> >>>> >> >> >> due

to the sensitivity of the topic">> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> Now, if you are using the option "One" only then it is>> >>>> >> >> >> "Okay">> >>>> >> >> >> in>> >>>> >> >> >> all>> >>>> >> >> >> sense. However, if you are using the Option "Two" or "Both>> the>> >>>> >> >> >> options",>> >>>> >> >> >> then there is a catch that the "Ansh" or "Beej of your Atma">> >>>> >> >> >> might>> >>>> >> >> >> not>> >>>> >> >> >> get>> >>>> >> >> >> a proper breeding ground which

might result into creation of>> >>>> >> >> >> more>> >>>> >> >> >> desire>> >>>> >> >> >> in the Beej due to lack of the proper "Nutrients" which a>> Beej>> >>>> >> >> >> might>> >>>> >> >> >> take>> >>>> >> >> >> from Mother which will again create "Aasha" and "Trishna">> >>>> >> >> >> and>> >>>> >> >> >> so>> >>>> >> >> >> on>> >>>> >> >> >> to>> >>>> >> >> >> "Paap" and "Punya". And if this happens, then, the Beej>> >>>> >> >> >> again>> >>>>

>> >> >> has>> >>>> >> >> >> to>> >>>> >> >> >> go>> >>>> >> >> >> through the complete cycle of "Chauraasi".>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> As explained above, the so called "Nutrients" are nothing>> >>>> >> >> >> but>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> "Guna">> >>>> >> >> >> of the Mother and the "Actual Requirement of the Beej" is>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> "Guna">> >>>> >> >> >> of>> >>>> >> >> >> the Father.

So, if there is a mismatch between the two, then>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> Option>> >>>> >> >> >> Two is bound to fail which will create more distress in the>> >>>> >> >> >> human>> >>>> >> >> >> society.>> >>>> >> >> >> AND TO BE HONEST, OPTION TWO IS THE ONE WHICH IS BEING USED>> IN>> >>>> >> >> >> A>> >>>> >> >> >> VERY>> >>>> >> >> >> VERY>> >>>> >> >> >> VERY LARGE PROPORTION WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE ACTUAL TRUTH>> >>>> >> >> >> BEHIND>> >>>> >> >> >>

THE>> >>>> >> >> >> USE OF THIS OPTION. AND ONLY JYOTISH IS CAPABLE OF>> >>>> >> >> >> RECTIFYING>> >>>> >> >> >> THIS>> >>>> >> >> >> MISTAKE>> >>>> >> >> >> OF MAN AND SHOWING AS HOW TO BEGET WORTHY CHILDREN BY PROPER>> >>>> >> >> >> MATCHING>> >>>> >> >> >> OF>> >>>> >> >> >> SOIL AND SEED.>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> This clearly shows the Criticality as why Horoscope Matching>> is>> >>>> >> >> >> so>> >>>> >> >> >> important and the undefiable relationship between

Jyotish>> >>>> >> >> >> and>> >>>> >> >> >> Aadhyatam.>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> In the end I can only say that Option One is the only True>> >>>> >> >> >> Option>> >>>> >> >> >> as>> >>>> >> >> >> Option Two is just like using a shortcut which has the>> >>>> >> >> >> reputation>> >>>> >> >> >> of>> >>>> >> >> >> "Backfiring Percentage" set at 99.99% as the Jyotish Shastra>> is>> >>>> >> >> >> not>> >>>> >> >> >> being>> >>>> >> >>

>> used as required. No one literally know as how to implement>> the>> >>>> >> >> >> jyotish>> >>>> >> >> >> shastra. All just know one thing and that is how to do the>> upai>> >>>> >> >> >> and>> >>>> >> >> >> that>> >>>> >> >> >> also incorrect. If you are playing with gun loaded bullets,>> and>> >>>> >> >> >> you>> >>>> >> >> >> don't>> >>>> >> >> >> know how to use the gun properly, then at least cover>> yourself>> >>>> >> >> >> with>> >>>> >> >> >> a>> >>>> >> >> >>

bulletproof dress first. Providing or telling Upai of>> something>> >>>> >> >> >> so>> >>>> >> >> >> much>> >>>> >> >> >> spiritual will only erode you spiritually unless and untill>> you>> >>>> >> >> >> have>> >>>> >> >> >> the>> >>>> >> >> >> required "Guru Kripa".>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> I tender my apologies for being rude or harsh. My purpose of>> >>>> >> >> >> writing>> >>>> >> >> >> this>> >>>> >> >> >> was not to offend anyone but to provide the exact scenario>>

>>>> >> >> >> as>> >>>> >> >> >> what>> >>>> >> >> >> is>> >>>> >> >> >> being done and what could it lead to. If I have hurt the>> >>>> >> >> >> feelings>> >>>> >> >> >> of>> >>>> >> >> >> anyone, then please ask yourself, "Do you really have the>> >>>> >> >> >> required>> >>>> >> >> >> Bullet-Proof Suite?" You will get the answer yourself. The>> >>>> >> >> >> Supreme>> >>>> >> >> >> God>> >>>> >> >> >> speakes from the very inside of your "Chitt" or>> "Ghat-Mandir" .>>

>>>> >> >> >> Listen>> >>>> >> >> >> to>> >>>> >> >> >> him and you will get the answer.....>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> Whatever I have learned from my revered Guruji is as under:>> >>>> >> >> >> "Guru Kripa Se Hai Mila,>> >>>> >> >> >> Jiska Naam Sunaam.>> >>>> >> >> >> Ghat Ghat Mein Bole Jo Sabke,>> >>>> >> >> >> Hai Woh Atma Ram.">> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> Regards,>> >>>> >> >>

>> Sumit Bansal.>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> , maneshwar singh kondal>> >>>> >> >> >> <mskondal@>>> >>>> >> >> >> wrote:>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > date:18-6-2009>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > hello kulbir ji,>> >>>> >> >>

>> >>>

>>>> >> >> >> > first of>> >>>> >> >> >> > all let me thank u for discussing such a vital point in>> >>>> >> >> >> > astrology>> >>>> >> >> >> > or>> >>>> >> >> >> > everybody life that why and for what we are doing any job>> as>> >>>> >> >> >> > quoted>> >>>> >> >> >> > by>> >>>> >> >> >> > u that why we are using or doing astrology.this is a very>> >>>> >> >> >> > crucial>> >>>> >> >> >> > point>> >>>> >>

>> >> > and i will try to contribute from myside what ever i know>> >>>> >> >> >> > openly>> >>>> >> >> >> > and>> >>>> >> >> >> > would like everybody to share their views on this topic>> >>>> >> >> >> > because>> >>>> >> >> >> > this>> >>>> >> >> >> > is>> >>>> >> >> >> > directly related to our spiritual enlightenment and>> >>>> >> >> >> > getting>> >>>> >> >> >> > in>> >>>> >> >> >> > touch>> >>>> >> >> >> > with god.this topic is never ending and i request

all>> members>> >>>> >> >> >> > to>> >>>> >> >> >> > keep>> >>>> >> >> >> > on writing their true experiences and findings regarding>> >>>> >> >> >> > spiritual>> >>>> >> >> >> > and>> >>>> >> >> >> > worldly astrology and try to differentiate between the>> >>>> >> >> >> > two.>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > as kulbir ji has quoted from osho's book the words>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>>

>>>> >> >> >> > jyotish>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > sampooranta>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > ekta>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > advait>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > all these words are self explanatry>> >>>> >> >> >> > but if we start explaining them then we will become short>> of>> >>>> >> >> >> > words>> >>>> >>

>> >> > but>> >>>> >> >> >> > i would say that if we compile all these in one word we>> >>>> >> >> >> > can>> >>>> >> >> >> > say>> >>>> >> >> >> > these>> >>>> >> >> >> > are the qualities of one and only one supreme and that is>> the>> >>>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE>> >>>> >> >> >> > GOD.>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > ACTUALLY WE ARE THE JEEVATMAS AND>> >>>> >> >> >> > ARE PART OF THE SUPREME LORD AND DUE TO VARIOUS JANAMAS>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND>>

>>>> >> >> >> > BIRTHS>> >>>> >> >> >> > LOT>> >>>> >> >> >> > OF MISCONCEPTIONS HAVE BEEN ENGRAVED IN OUR MINDS AND>> BECAUSE>> >>>> >> >> >> > OF>> >>>> >> >> >> > OUR>> >>>> >> >> >> > SANCHIT KARMAS AND DUE TO PRARABDH WE ARE GETTING BIRTHS>> >>>> >> >> >> > AGAIN>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND>> >>>> >> >> >> > AGAIN AND GETTING DETACHED FROM THE SUPREME DAY BY DAY TO>> >>>> >> >> >> > FULFIL>> >>>> >> >> >> > OUR>> >>>> >> >> >> > WORLDLY DEEDS,WHICH

ULTIMATELY LAND US NOWHERE ELSE THAN>> >>>> >> >> >> > REBIRTH>> >>>> >> >> >> > TO>> >>>> >> >> >> > FULFIL OUR DESIRES AND WE GET USED TO THE RE BIRTH CYCLE>> AND>> >>>> >> >> >> > CARRY>> >>>> >> >> >> > ON>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND FORGET OUR TRUE HOME THAT IS NONE OTHER THAN THE>> SUPREME>> >>>> >> >> >> > FATHER>> >>>> >> >> >> > GOD.BUT>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > REMEBER ONE THING>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >

HE WHO GIVES ,GIVES,GIVES, GIVES..... ...... AND FORGIVES>> IS>> >>>> >> >> >> > GOD>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > WHO GETS, GETS, GETS, GETS........ ...... AND FORGETS>> >>>> >> >> >> > IS>> >>>> >> >> >> > HUMAN>> >>>> >> >> >> > BEING>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > THIS IS THE NATURE OF GOD>> >>>> >> >> >>

>>> >>>> >> >> >> > BUT THEN ALSO BECAUSE OF HIS>> >>>> >> >> >> > FORGIVING NATURE BY DEFAULT THE SUPREME HAS PROGRAMMED>> EACH>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND>> >>>> >> >> >> > EVERY>> >>>> >> >> >> > HUMAN MIND TO THINK OF ITSELF FOR THE ACTUAL TRUTH THAT>> >>>> >> >> >> > WHY>> >>>> >> >> >> > HE>> >>>> >> >> >> > IS>> >>>> >> >> >> > ON>> >>>> >> >> >> > THIS EARTH?WHY HE IS BORN,WHAT HE HAS TO DO,IS HE HERE FOR>> >>>> >> >> >> > MAKING>> >>>> >>

>> >> > MONEY>> >>>> >> >> >> > OR IS HE HERE TO ENJOY WOMEN OR IS HE HERE TO FOOL OTHERS>> OR>> >>>> >> >> >> > IS>> >>>> >> >> >> > HE>> >>>> >> >> >> > HERE>> >>>> >> >> >> > TO MAKE PROPERTY?>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND MANY MANY OTHER QUESTIONS, EVERY HUMAN THINKS IN HIS>> MIND>> >>>> >> >> >> > SOME>> >>>> >> >> >> > DAY>> >>>> >> >> >> > SOME TIME .>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > THOSE R LUCKY WHO THINK AT EARLY>> >>>> >>

>> >> > STAGE OF LIFE AND MANY THINK AT LATER AGE BUT ALL OF THEM>> TRY>> >>>> >> >> >> > TO>> >>>> >> >> >> > UNDERSTAND THE ACTUAL THING AND SOME R ABLE TO GET>> >>>> >> >> >> > ANSWERS>> >>>> >> >> >> > BUT>> >>>> >> >> >> > THEY>> >>>> >> >> >> > DONT HAVE THE TIME TO USE IT PRACTICALLY BECAUSE LIFE IS>> TOO>> >>>> >> >> >> > SHORT.>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > SO JYOTISH MEANS ISHVARIYA JYOTI AND EVERYBODY IS>>

>>>> >> >> >> > HAVING>> >>>> >> >> >> > A>> >>>> >> >> >> > PART OF IT BUT HOW MANY HAVE REALISED IT?>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > SAMPOORANTA MEANS WHO HAS MASTERD THE ALL>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > EKTA MEANS ONENESS>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > ADWAIT AGAIN THE>> >>>> >> >> >> > PERSON WHO HAS RAISED ABOVE FROM THE DVAIT BHAV THAT>>

MEANS>> >>>> >> >> >> > HE>> >>>> >> >> >> > HAS>> >>>> >> >> >> > NO>> >>>> >> >> >> > DIFFERENCE BETWEEN>> >>>> >> >> >> > T>> >>>> >> >> >> > - HE TWO. MEANS JO DO SE EK>> ROOP>> >>>> >> >> >> > HO>> >>>> >> >> >> > JAYE>> >>>> >> >> >> > .>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > AS I SAID IT IS JUST A START I

DONT>> >>>> >> >> >> > KNOW WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN ,BUT THIS IS THE TOPIC WHICH IS>> >>>> >> >> >> > ATTACHED>> >>>> >> >> >> > WITH>> >>>> >> >> >> > EVERY BODY LIFE SO KEEP ON DISCUSSING IT .PRADEEP SHARMA>> >>>> >> >> >> > JI>> >>>> >> >> >> > WAS>> >>>> >> >> >> > TELLING>> >>>> >> >> >> > ME MOST OF THE TIMES THAT I SHOULD START SUCH A TOPIC BUT>> >>>> >> >> >> > I>> >>>> >> >> >> > WAS>> >>>> >> >> >> > WAITING>> >>>> >> >> >> > REALLY FOR THE

DAY, THAT THERE WILL BE A DAY WHEN SOME ONE>> >>>> >> >> >> > WILL>> >>>> >> >> >> > COME>> >>>> >> >> >> > OUT OF SO MANY LEARNED PEOPLE AND WILL ASK FOR THE TRUE>> >>>> >> >> >> > MEANING>> >>>> >> >> >> > OF>> >>>> >> >> >> > ASTROLOGY.YET I HAVE NOT WRITTEN MUCH BUT I WILL LOVE TO>> >>>> >> >> >> > WRITE>> >>>> >> >> >> > MORE>> >>>> >> >> >> > BECAUSE THIS IS THE QUESTION RELATED TO OUR TRUE SELF AND>> IT>> >>>> >> >> >> > IS>> >>>> >> >> >> > MY>> >>>>

>> >> >> > FOREMOST DUTY TO ANSWER AND WILL TRY TO TELL WHAT I>> >>>> >> >> >> > EXPERIENCED>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND>> >>>> >> >> >> > WILL LEARN FROM ALL MY SENIORS AND COLLEAGUES WHO R REALLY>> >>>> >> >> >> > DESPERATELY>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND SINCERELY FINDING LOTS AND LOTS OF THINGS BY MEANS OF>> >>>> >> >> >> > ASTROLOGY>> >>>> >> >> >> > TO>> >>>> >> >> >> > GIVE BENEFITS TO THE SOCIETY>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > THERE IS A GURUBANI

QUOTE BHAYI PRAPAT MANUKH>> DEOHRIA>> >>>> >> >> >> > GOBIND>> >>>> >> >> >> > MILAN KI EHO TERI BARIYA>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> AVAR>> >>>> >> >> >> > KAAJ>> >>>> >> >> >> > TERE>> >>>> >> >> >> > KITE NAA KAAM MIL SAADH SANGAT BHAJ KEVAL NAAM>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > MEANS: FOR WHAT U HAVE>> >>>> >> >> >> > GOT>> >>>>

>> >> >> > BIRTH>> >>>> >> >> >> > ON>> >>>> >> >> >> > THIS UNIVERSE? U HAVE GOT THIS HUMAN BODY TO MEET THE>> SUPREME>> >>>> >> >> >> > THE>> >>>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE AND THAT TOO U CAN DO WITHIN THIS HUMAN BIRTH>> >>>> >> >> >> > ONLY,YOUR>> >>>> >> >> >> > ALL>> >>>> >> >> >> > OTHER DEEDS WONT GIVE U ANYTHING AT ALL,ONLY AND ONLY>> >>>> >> >> >> > RECITATION>> >>>> >> >> >> > OF>> >>>> >> >> >> > THE>> >>>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE AND GETTING UNITED WITH IT

IS YOUR GOAL.>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > in the last i would say, by the help>> >>>> >> >> >> > of astrology everybody should try to find the sins or the>> >>>> >> >> >> > sanchit>> >>>> >> >> >> > karmas by means of planets and try to get rid of their>> >>>> >> >> >> > influences>> >>>> >> >> >> > by>> >>>> >> >> >> > jap daan homas and sewa and many other means but should do>> >>>> >> >> >> > these>> >>>> >>

>> >> > things>> >>>> >> >> >> > sincerely and with a fear in mind that i have to get out>> >>>> >> >> >> > of>> >>>> >> >> >> > this>> >>>> >> >> >> > cycle>> >>>> >> >> >> > or any bad habit which i am having because of the planets>> bad>> >>>> >> >> >> > influence, because of sanchit karmas.so we r here to get>> >>>> >> >> >> > lessons>> >>>> >> >> >> > from>> >>>> >> >> >> > our previous births and lead a new life in this birth with>> >>>> >> >> >> > the>> >>>> >> >>

>> > help>> >>>> >> >> >> > of>> >>>> >> >> >> > astrology by trying to rectifying our bad vices and lusts>> for>> >>>> >> >> >> > life>> >>>> >> >> >> > and>> >>>> >> >> >> > try to become detached from worldly deeds.sorry everybody>> if>> >>>> >> >> >> > i>> >>>> >> >> >> > had>> >>>> >> >> >> > written anything wrong and ever hurt any body sentiments..>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > Regards>> >>>> >>

>> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > MS KONDAL>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > ____________ _________ _________ __>> >>>> >> >> >> > kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:53:08 AM>> >>>> >> >> >> > Re: Ashok ji; why study>> >>>> >> >>

>> > astrology?>>

>>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > Respected Ashok ji; since the day u asked " why am i>> >>>> >> >> >> > interested>> >>>> >> >> >> > in>> >>>> >> >> >> > study of astrology" i was looking for an answer. I read>> >>>> >> >> >> > Osho's>> >>>> >> >> >> > article>> >>>> >> >> >> > on astrology he writes " JYOTISH SAMPOORANTA, EAKTA AUR>> >>>> >> >>

>> > ADVAIT>> >>>> >> >> >> > KA>> >>>> >> >> >> > VIGYAN HAI". Regards. Kulbir.>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ > wrote:>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Kulbir Ji,>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Thanks a lots.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Best of regards>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Ashok Singh>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>> gmail.com>>>

>>>> >> >> >> > > wrote:>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > > kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Re: Health, Sucess/Failure (HOW>> >>>> >> >> >> > > MUCH>> >>>> >> >> >> > > ??>> >>>> >> >> >> > > )>> >>>> >> >> >> > > >> >>>> >> >> >> > > Monday, June 15, 2009, 11:36 AM>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >>

> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Ashok ji, page 155-157 of 1952 part 3 uploaded by Nirmal>> ji>> >>>> >> >> >> > > ....>> >>>> >> >> >> > > SEHAT, BIMARI, NAFA, NUKSAAN, FATEH, SHIKASAT (these>> words>> >>>> >> >> >> > > include>> >>>> >> >> >> > > all>> >>>> >> >> >> > > of ur

querries) har do pehlu ke liye yahi asool honge.>> This>> >>>> >> >> >> > > line>> >>>> >> >> >> > > is>> >>>> >> >> >> > > 2nd line under subhead BIMAARI on page 155 as ref.>> >>>> >> >> >> > > above.>> >>>> >> >> >> > > But>> >>>> >> >> >> > > my>> >>>> >> >> >> > > friend this is not all inclusive. e.g. Bimari of aathraa>> is>> >>>> >> >> >> > > explained>> >>>> >> >> >> > > in farmaan no. 161 1939 volume. Go in for short cuts>> >>>> >> >> >> > > only>> >>>>

>> >> >> > > in>> >>>> >> >> >> > > desperate>> >>>> >> >> >> > > situation. For study and research follow guidelines>> >>>> >> >> >> > > given>> >>>> >> >> >> > > by>> >>>> >> >> >> > > pt.>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Ji>> >>>> >> >> >> > > in>> >>>> >> >> >> > > SARSARI NOTE Regards. Kulbir.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ > wrote:>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Kulbir Ji,>>

>>>> >> >> >> > >> Thanks for the reply. If you can write me where in lal>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> kitab>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> written>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> how>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> to>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> evaluate>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> the native range of success, that would be great.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> I am very much interested in the intensity(scale) of>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> health,>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> success>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>

or>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> failure..>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Best regards>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Ashok Singh>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> --- On Fri, 6/12/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>> gmail.com>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> wrote:>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Re:

Health, Sucess/Failure>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> (HOW>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> MUCH>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> ?? )>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Friday, June 12, 2009, 12:03 PM>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Ashok ji, what u are saying is represented loosely by>> the>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> term>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> oxymoron. Secondly health and success may be related>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> somehow.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> But>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> illness is no deterent to success. Then success in>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> which>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> field?>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> It>> >>>> >> >>

>> > >> has>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> to be specific. Lastly the dictum that all houses and>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> planets>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> have>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> to>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> be considered before reaching a conclusion. This type>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> of>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> isolated>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> study is against the basic rules of lalkitab. Regards.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Kulbir.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >>

>> >> > >> On 6/12/09, y2k_aksingh <y2k_aksingh@ > wrote:>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> Dear Members,>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> In a horoscope priciple to see health,sucess/ failure>> is>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> the>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> same.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> Can we find range of sucess as in Lal kitab written>> HNo.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> 10>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> shows>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> the intensity of illiness does it applicable for>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>>> sucess>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> also.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> It would be really appreciated.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> My real goal is to find HOW MUCH i.e. what would be>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> the>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> range>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> of>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> sucess.>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> Thanks>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> Ashok>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>>>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> -->> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Sent from my mobile device>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > > -->> >>>> >> >> >> > > Sent from my mobile device>> >>>>

>> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> >

>>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > -->> >>>> >> >> >> > Sent from my mobile device>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> -->> >>>> >> >> Sent from my mobile device>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>

>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> -->> >>>> >> Sent from my mobile device>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> -->> >>>> Sent from my mobile device>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> -->> >> Sent from my mobile device>> >>>> >>>> >> ------------ --------- --------- ------>> >>>> >>