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Dear Sirs,

 

I have been trying to spend sometime on the sacred LalKitabs...

I know it is not easy... I have gone through many messages in this group

advising numerous readings, lot of commitment and sipirtual maturity to

understand the book and the wealth of knowledge therein.

( " Got to Die ... if one desires Heaven.... " )

 

May I still have Guru-jan's patience to confirm something very basic and

fundamental... Just to check if I am groping in dark or Am I in right

direction...

 

Assumptions at back of my mind while relating a horoscope with lalkitab...

 

1. Tewa Drusti is step #1. However, if someone is very sure of DATE, EXACT TIME

AND PLACE and has a proper computerized horoscope... This step may be avoided

for sake of planetry positions. Right?

However, to check if a planet is benefic or malefic in a given house, that can

be checked w.r.t predictions for given planetary postion. Right?

 

2. The planets in different houses in Janam Kundali are refered with respect to

Lal Kitab predictions and they form the basis of... 'what life unfolds for us.'

i.e Janam Kundli planets have maximum significance for... 'what becomes of us in

future.' (off-course after understanding the complexity of combinations, aspects

etc)

 

3. Varshphal Kundli planets have only temporary affect... only to the extent of

what is indicated by janam kundli planet positions. The predictions of

'permanent nature' in varshaphal positions may not apply.

 

Example - Shani in house #6 of janam kundli ... states " after 42 years it brings

real prosperity " ...(off-course assuming it satisfies all the Sat #6 conditions).

In that case, although Shani will move to different houses during 1 to 41

years... and may have much better positions and predictions. But, Janam Kundli

prediction will rule over it. Correct?

 

I know above is too much of a short cut and there might be many jewels hiding in

so many other pages of Lalkitabs.... which may nullify above analysis. Something

like 'Dharmai Tewa' which might be covered separately and not in planetry

positions / predictions...

 

My idea here is just to understand... if there is any light at the end of the

tunnel... I am in?

 

Hope seniors / masters will understand my viewpoint...

 

Please ignore if someone doesn't like my idea of using words like 'sacred'...

'predictions' etc.

 

Please enlighten.

 

best regards,

 

Bunty Arora

+91 99670 50849

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Arora ji, lalkitab system has some unique features. Lets take ur

querries point wise. Regarding point one ; rahu and ketu may not be in

1-7 position. Sun venus mercury are not confined to a particular

degree/house difference. It is a general assumption that condition

arises only in varshphal BUT no palmistry portion and vaastu clears it

all. So even if horoscope is made by computer and time is correct to

second then also tewa darusti has to be done. There is another angle

also. For reference u can read sh. Rabinder Bhandari's mail regarding

using different ayanamshas. Regards. Kulbir.

 

On 7/10/09, buntyarora2626 <AroraBN wrote:

> Dear Sirs,

>

> I have been trying to spend sometime on the sacred LalKitabs...

> I know it is not easy... I have gone through many messages in this group

> advising numerous readings, lot of commitment and sipirtual maturity to

> understand the book and the wealth of knowledge therein.

> ( " Got to Die ... if one desires Heaven.... " )

>

> May I still have Guru-jan's patience to confirm something very basic and

> fundamental... Just to check if I am groping in dark or Am I in right

> direction...

>

> Assumptions at back of my mind while relating a horoscope with lalkitab...

>

> 1. Tewa Drusti is step #1. However, if someone is very sure of DATE, EXACT

> TIME AND PLACE and has a proper computerized horoscope... This step may be

> avoided for sake of planetry positions. Right?

> However, to check if a planet is benefic or malefic in a given house, that

> can be checked w.r.t predictions for given planetary postion. Right?

>

> 2. The planets in different houses in Janam Kundali are refered with respect

> to Lal Kitab predictions and they form the basis of... 'what life unfolds

> for us.' i.e Janam Kundli planets have maximum significance for... 'what

> becomes of us in future.' (off-course after understanding the complexity of

> combinations, aspects etc)

>

> 3. Varshphal Kundli planets have only temporary affect... only to the extent

> of what is indicated by janam kundli planet positions. The predictions of

> 'permanent nature' in varshaphal positions may not apply.

>

> Example - Shani in house #6 of janam kundli ... states " after 42 years it

> brings real prosperity " ...(off-course assuming it satisfies all the Sat #6

> conditions). In that case, although Shani will move to different houses

> during 1 to 41 years... and may have much better positions and predictions.

> But, Janam Kundli prediction will rule over it. Correct?

>

> I know above is too much of a short cut and there might be many jewels

> hiding in so many other pages of Lalkitabs.... which may nullify above

> analysis. Something like 'Dharmai Tewa' which might be covered separately

> and not in planetry positions / predictions...

>

> My idea here is just to understand... if there is any light at the end of

> the tunnel... I am in?

>

> Hope seniors / masters will understand my viewpoint...

>

> Please ignore if someone doesn't like my idea of using words like

> 'sacred'... 'predictions' etc.

>

> Please enlighten.

>

> best regards,

>

> Bunty Arora

> +91 99670 50849

>

>

>

 

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Dear Sir,

 

Thanks for your reply.

 

Can I make a judgment here that... the basic janam kundali may not have any

relevance in Lalkitab unless checked / re-checked & verified with other methods.

The planetary positions may just change completely.

 

While I once spoke to Shri Prabahakar ji over phone, and somehow topic arose of

Mangal #8th house... and as I mentioned to him.. " Yeah mine is Mangal #8 too! " He

categorically mentioned ... " it can't be " Reasons he gave were amazing - " Your

voice is not of a Mangal#8 person... It is more likely Mangal#9; Second he

predicted my younger brother won't be 8yrs younger to me.. which I confirmed in

positive... he is 4 yrs younger to me "

 

Though it is bit disturbing idea to make a new kundli altogether for diving

further into predictions and upayas. But... THAT IS IT. And, I think...that's

the only way forward....

 

* Prabhakar ji, hope it is OK to share my telephonic experience here.

 

thanks & best regards,

Bunty Arora

 

 

, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

>

> Arora ji, lalkitab system has some unique features. Lets take ur

> querries point wise. Regarding point one ; rahu and ketu may not be in

> 1-7 position. Sun venus mercury are not confined to a particular

> degree/house difference. It is a general assumption that condition

> arises only in varshphal BUT no palmistry portion and vaastu clears it

> all. So even if horoscope is made by computer and time is correct to

> second then also tewa darusti has to be done. There is another angle

> also. For reference u can read sh. Rabinder Bhandari's mail regarding

> using different ayanamshas. Regards. Kulbir.

>

> On 7/10/09, buntyarora2626 <AroraBN wrote:

> > Dear Sirs,

> >

> > I have been trying to spend sometime on the sacred LalKitabs...

> > I know it is not easy... I have gone through many messages in this group

> > advising numerous readings, lot of commitment and sipirtual maturity to

> > understand the book and the wealth of knowledge therein.

> > ( " Got to Die ... if one desires Heaven.... " )

> >

> > May I still have Guru-jan's patience to confirm something very basic and

> > fundamental... Just to check if I am groping in dark or Am I in right

> > direction...

> >

> > Assumptions at back of my mind while relating a horoscope with lalkitab...

> >

> > 1. Tewa Drusti is step #1. However, if someone is very sure of DATE, EXACT

> > TIME AND PLACE and has a proper computerized horoscope... This step may be

> > avoided for sake of planetry positions. Right?

> > However, to check if a planet is benefic or malefic in a given house, that

> > can be checked w.r.t predictions for given planetary postion. Right?

> >

> > 2. The planets in different houses in Janam Kundali are refered with respect

> > to Lal Kitab predictions and they form the basis of... 'what life unfolds

> > for us.' i.e Janam Kundli planets have maximum significance for... 'what

> > becomes of us in future.' (off-course after understanding the complexity of

> > combinations, aspects etc)

> >

> > 3. Varshphal Kundli planets have only temporary affect... only to the extent

> > of what is indicated by janam kundli planet positions. The predictions of

> > 'permanent nature' in varshaphal positions may not apply.

> >

> > Example - Shani in house #6 of janam kundli ... states " after 42 years it

> > brings real prosperity " ...(off-course assuming it satisfies all the Sat #6

> > conditions). In that case, although Shani will move to different houses

> > during 1 to 41 years... and may have much better positions and predictions.

> > But, Janam Kundli prediction will rule over it. Correct?

> >

> > I know above is too much of a short cut and there might be many jewels

> > hiding in so many other pages of Lalkitabs.... which may nullify above

> > analysis. Something like 'Dharmai Tewa' which might be covered separately

> > and not in planetry positions / predictions...

> >

> > My idea here is just to understand... if there is any light at the end of

> > the tunnel... I am in?

> >

> > Hope seniors / masters will understand my viewpoint...

> >

> > Please ignore if someone doesn't like my idea of using words like

> > 'sacred'... 'predictions' etc.

> >

> > Please enlighten.

> >

> > best regards,

> >

> > Bunty Arora

> > +91 99670 50849

> >

> >

> >

>

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Bunty ji, i am strictly confining to what is documented in lalkitab

1st - What was the need to devise this system.- pt ji has mentioned

the prime concern. Why don't persons with same birth data, not even

twins, have identical destinies. 2ndly there is a horoscope in 1952

book with rahu in 8th. Pt ji studied that the person is regular in his

religious schedule so he categorically mentioned that now rahu should

be considered in 9th instead of 8th. Personality, vocal style,

handwriting, style of walking, style of seeing and many more criteria

are mentioned. Remember it is samudrik knowledge. But this darusti

method is tricky and slippery. If planatary position shifts then the

reason for that should be thoroughly crosschecked. Regards. Kulbir.

 

On 7/11/09, buntyarora2626 <AroraBN wrote:

> Dear Sir,

>

> Thanks for your reply.

>

> Can I make a judgment here that... the basic janam kundali may not have any

> relevance in Lalkitab unless checked / re-checked & verified with other

> methods. The planetary positions may just change completely.

>

> While I once spoke to Shri Prabahakar ji over phone, and somehow topic arose

> of Mangal #8th house... and as I mentioned to him.. " Yeah mine is Mangal #8

> too! " He categorically mentioned ... " it can't be " Reasons he gave were

> amazing - " Your voice is not of a Mangal#8 person... It is more likely

> Mangal#9; Second he predicted my younger brother won't be 8yrs younger to

> me.. which I confirmed in positive... he is 4 yrs younger to me "

>

> Though it is bit disturbing idea to make a new kundli altogether for diving

> further into predictions and upayas. But... THAT IS IT. And, I

> think...that's the only way forward....

>

> * Prabhakar ji, hope it is OK to share my telephonic experience here.

>

> thanks & best regards,

> Bunty Arora

>

>

> , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

>>

>> Arora ji, lalkitab system has some unique features. Lets take ur

>> querries point wise. Regarding point one ; rahu and ketu may not be in

>> 1-7 position. Sun venus mercury are not confined to a particular

>> degree/house difference. It is a general assumption that condition

>> arises only in varshphal BUT no palmistry portion and vaastu clears it

>> all. So even if horoscope is made by computer and time is correct to

>> second then also tewa darusti has to be done. There is another angle

>> also. For reference u can read sh. Rabinder Bhandari's mail regarding

>> using different ayanamshas. Regards. Kulbir.

>>

>> On 7/10/09, buntyarora2626 <AroraBN wrote:

>> > Dear Sirs,

>> >

>> > I have been trying to spend sometime on the sacred LalKitabs...

>> > I know it is not easy... I have gone through many messages in this group

>> > advising numerous readings, lot of commitment and sipirtual maturity to

>> > understand the book and the wealth of knowledge therein.

>> > ( " Got to Die ... if one desires Heaven.... " )

>> >

>> > May I still have Guru-jan's patience to confirm something very basic and

>> > fundamental... Just to check if I am groping in dark or Am I in right

>> > direction...

>> >

>> > Assumptions at back of my mind while relating a horoscope with

>> > lalkitab...

>> >

>> > 1. Tewa Drusti is step #1. However, if someone is very sure of DATE,

>> > EXACT

>> > TIME AND PLACE and has a proper computerized horoscope... This step may

>> > be

>> > avoided for sake of planetry positions. Right?

>> > However, to check if a planet is benefic or malefic in a given house,

>> > that

>> > can be checked w.r.t predictions for given planetary postion. Right?

>> >

>> > 2. The planets in different houses in Janam Kundali are refered with

>> > respect

>> > to Lal Kitab predictions and they form the basis of... 'what life

>> > unfolds

>> > for us.' i.e Janam Kundli planets have maximum significance for... 'what

>> > becomes of us in future.' (off-course after understanding the complexity

>> > of

>> > combinations, aspects etc)

>> >

>> > 3. Varshphal Kundli planets have only temporary affect... only to the

>> > extent

>> > of what is indicated by janam kundli planet positions. The predictions

>> > of

>> > 'permanent nature' in varshaphal positions may not apply.

>> >

>> > Example - Shani in house #6 of janam kundli ... states " after 42 years

>> > it

>> > brings real prosperity " ...(off-course assuming it satisfies all the Sat

>> > #6

>> > conditions). In that case, although Shani will move to different houses

>> > during 1 to 41 years... and may have much better positions and

>> > predictions.

>> > But, Janam Kundli prediction will rule over it. Correct?

>> >

>> > I know above is too much of a short cut and there might be many jewels

>> > hiding in so many other pages of Lalkitabs.... which may nullify above

>> > analysis. Something like 'Dharmai Tewa' which might be covered

>> > separately

>> > and not in planetry positions / predictions...

>> >

>> > My idea here is just to understand... if there is any light at the end

>> > of

>> > the tunnel... I am in?

>> >

>> > Hope seniors / masters will understand my viewpoint...

>> >

>> > Please ignore if someone doesn't like my idea of using words like

>> > 'sacred'... 'predictions' etc.

>> >

>> > Please enlighten.

>> >

>> > best regards,

>> >

>> > Bunty Arora

>> > +91 99670 50849

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>

>> --

>> Sent from my mobile device

>>

>

>

>

 

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Dear Arora ji,

//1. Tewa Drusti is step #1. However, if someone is very sure of DATE, EXACT

TIME AND PLACE and has a proper computerized horoscope... This step may be

avoided for sake of planetary positions. Right?

> However, to check if a planet is benefic or malefic in a given house, that can

be checked w.r.t predictions for given planetary postion. Right? //

 

Tewa durusti remains the step-I even if one have exact time upto

milliseconds.The lalkitab is having Astro-palmistry system. the treasure brought

by native in his closed palms(bund Muthi) plays the important role and is the

ultimate. To keep ourselves nearer to the palmistry durusti is required. If one

is familiar with making horoscope with the help of palmistry(lines, signs etc)

then there may not be any need for doing durusti. Palms never tell wrong.

 

For rest of the paras I agree with your point.

It is good beginning. Keep it up.

Regards

Nirmal

, " buntyarora2626 " <AroraBN wrote:

>

> Dear Sirs,

>

> I have been trying to spend sometime on the sacred LalKitabs...

> I know it is not easy... I have gone through many messages in this group

advising numerous readings, lot of commitment and sipirtual maturity to

understand the book and the wealth of knowledge therein.

> ( " Got to Die ... if one desires Heaven.... " )

>

> May I still have Guru-jan's patience to confirm something very basic and

fundamental... Just to check if I am groping in dark or Am I in right

direction...

>

> Assumptions at back of my mind while relating a horoscope with lalkitab...

>

> 1. Tewa Drusti is step #1. However, if someone is very sure of DATE, EXACT

TIME AND PLACE and has a proper computerized horoscope... This step may be

avoided for sake of planetry positions. Right?

> However, to check if a planet is benefic or malefic in a given house, that can

be checked w.r.t predictions for given planetary postion. Right?

>

> 2. The planets in different houses in Janam Kundali are refered with respect

to Lal Kitab predictions and they form the basis of... 'what life unfolds for

us.' i.e Janam Kundli planets have maximum significance for... 'what becomes of

us in future.' (off-course after understanding the complexity of combinations,

aspects etc)

>

> 3. Varshphal Kundli planets have only temporary affect... only to the extent

of what is indicated by janam kundli planet positions. The predictions of

'permanent nature' in varshaphal positions may not apply.

>

> Example - Shani in house #6 of janam kundli ... states " after 42 years it

brings real prosperity " ...(off-course assuming it satisfies all the Sat #6

conditions). In that case, although Shani will move to different houses during 1

to 41 years... and may have much better positions and predictions. But, Janam

Kundli prediction will rule over it. Correct?

>

> I know above is too much of a short cut and there might be many jewels hiding

in so many other pages of Lalkitabs.... which may nullify above analysis.

Something like 'Dharmai Tewa' which might be covered separately and not in

planetry positions / predictions...

>

> My idea here is just to understand... if there is any light at the end of the

tunnel... I am in?

>

> Hope seniors / masters will understand my viewpoint...

>

> Please ignore if someone doesn't like my idea of using words like 'sacred'...

'predictions' etc.

>

> Please enlighten.

>

> best regards,

>

> Bunty Arora

> +91 99670 50849

>

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Nirmal ji, i beg to differ. Why do you confine to astro palmistry

alone. What about other parameters. For instance as per gutka Budh 3

placement of articles in 9th and 11th house have been given overriding

powers. Vaastu and other categories for verification are also

important. Why are u over obssessed with palmistry part alone at the

cost of other parameteres. Regards. Kulbir.

 

On 7/12/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

> Dear Arora ji,

> //1. Tewa Drusti is step #1. However, if someone is very sure of DATE, EXACT

> TIME AND PLACE and has a proper computerized horoscope... This step may be

> avoided for sake of planetary positions. Right?

>> However, to check if a planet is benefic or malefic in a given house, that

>> can be checked w.r.t predictions for given planetary postion. Right? //

>

> Tewa durusti remains the step-I even if one have exact time upto

> milliseconds.The lalkitab is having Astro-palmistry system. the treasure

> brought by native in his closed palms(bund Muthi) plays the important role

> and is the ultimate. To keep ourselves nearer to the palmistry durusti is

> required. If one is familiar with making horoscope with the help of

> palmistry(lines, signs etc) then there may not be any need for doing

> durusti. Palms never tell wrong.

>

> For rest of the paras I agree with your point.

> It is good beginning. Keep it up.

> Regards

> Nirmal

> , " buntyarora2626 " <AroraBN wrote:

>>

>> Dear Sirs,

>>

>> I have been trying to spend sometime on the sacred LalKitabs...

>> I know it is not easy... I have gone through many messages in this group

>> advising numerous readings, lot of commitment and sipirtual maturity to

>> understand the book and the wealth of knowledge therein.

>> ( " Got to Die ... if one desires Heaven.... " )

>>

>> May I still have Guru-jan's patience to confirm something very basic and

>> fundamental... Just to check if I am groping in dark or Am I in right

>> direction...

>>

>> Assumptions at back of my mind while relating a horoscope with lalkitab...

>>

>> 1. Tewa Drusti is step #1. However, if someone is very sure of DATE, EXACT

>> TIME AND PLACE and has a proper computerized horoscope... This step may be

>> avoided for sake of planetry positions. Right?

>> However, to check if a planet is benefic or malefic in a given house, that

>> can be checked w.r.t predictions for given planetary postion. Right?

>>

>> 2. The planets in different houses in Janam Kundali are refered with

>> respect to Lal Kitab predictions and they form the basis of... 'what life

>> unfolds for us.' i.e Janam Kundli planets have maximum significance for...

>> 'what becomes of us in future.' (off-course after understanding the

>> complexity of combinations, aspects etc)

>>

>> 3. Varshphal Kundli planets have only temporary affect... only to the

>> extent of what is indicated by janam kundli planet positions. The

>> predictions of 'permanent nature' in varshaphal positions may not apply.

>>

>> Example - Shani in house #6 of janam kundli ... states " after 42 years it

>> brings real prosperity " ...(off-course assuming it satisfies all the Sat #6

>> conditions). In that case, although Shani will move to different houses

>> during 1 to 41 years... and may have much better positions and

>> predictions. But, Janam Kundli prediction will rule over it. Correct?

>>

>> I know above is too much of a short cut and there might be many jewels

>> hiding in so many other pages of Lalkitabs.... which may nullify above

>> analysis. Something like 'Dharmai Tewa' which might be covered separately

>> and not in planetry positions / predictions...

>>

>> My idea here is just to understand... if there is any light at the end of

>> the tunnel... I am in?

>>

>> Hope seniors / masters will understand my viewpoint...

>>

>> Please ignore if someone doesn't like my idea of using words like

>> 'sacred'... 'predictions' etc.

>>

>> Please enlighten.

>>

>> best regards,

>>

>> Bunty Arora

>> +91 99670 50849

>>

>

>

>

 

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Dear Kulbir Ji,As far as the making of Kundli, Me also had mixed point of view a few years earlier. But during the detailed perusal of the texts,I have come to the conclusion the This book is based on Palmistry.As i already written in previous mails that If we look into the title of the book we will find that in every book it is said that it is palmistry base. I reproduce the original title of each book

1.    1939

Edition:  the title of the book

,transliteration of the contents as taken exactly from 1939 book:-

“Hatheli Ki Lakeeron

se teva (tipda) Janm Kundli banaane aur zindagi ke poorey haalaat dekhney ke

liye Samudrik Ki Lalkitab sn-1939”

 

Translation of above in English can be

“Lalkitab

1939 of samudrik - To make the horoscope with the help of lines of Palm and to

know the conditions of life  “

2.    1940 Edition:  the title of the book ,transliteration of the

contents as taken exactly from  book:-

“Hatheli Ki Lakeeron

se teva (tipda) Janm Kundli banaane aur zindagi ke poorey haalaat dekhney ke

liye Samudrik Ki Lalkitab ke armaan sn-1940”

 

Translation of above in English can be

“Lalkitab

ke armaan 1940 of samudrik - To make the horoscope with the help of lines of

Palm and to know the conditions of life  “

3.    1941 Edition:  the title of the book ,transliteration of the

contents as taken exactly from  book:-

“Hatheli Ki Lakeeron

se teva (tipda) Janm Kundli banaane aur zindagi ke poorey haalaat dekhney ke

liye Samudrik Ki Lalkitab teesra hissa sn-1941”

 

Translation of above in English can be

“Lalkitab

teesra hissa 1941 based upon samudrik - To make the horoscope with the help of

lines of Palm and to know the conditions of life  “

1942 Edition: 

title of the book ,transliteration of the contents as taken exactly

from  book:-

“Hatheli Ki Lakeeron

se teva (tipda) Janm Kundli banaane aur zindagi ke poorey haalaat dekhney ke

liye ilam Samudrik Ki Lalkitab tarmeem shuda sn-1942”

 

Translation of above in English shall be

“Corrected Lalkitab 1942 based upon samudrik - To

make the horoscope with the help of lines of Palm and to know the conditions of

life  “

4.    1952 Edition: 

the title of the book ,transliteration of the contents as taken exactly

from  book:-

“(Astrology Based

upon Palmistry) - ilam Samudrik Ki buniyad per chalney waley Jyotish kee madad se haath rekha

ke zariye darust kee huyi Janm Kundli se zindagi ke haalaat dekhney ke liye Lalkitab sn-1952”

 

Translation of above in English can be

“(Astrology Based upon

Palmistry) Lalkitab -1952 -To know the conditions of life with the help

of the Jyotish that is based on Horoscope which is corrected with the help of

palmistry “You are right other factors are also there. But most of the factors are useful in teva durusti not for making Janm kundli.

For example, from Ilam qyafa we can know the that native is influenced by which planet most and which planet properties are deficient in it. From House Kundlis we can verify the effect of planet position as per kundli. The planet normally give its indication in house as per house kundli.

therefore for making natal kundli only two methods are best in orderby palmistry -by Birth time.I always recommend to newcomers to try to learn the method of using palmistry for making Kundli because fresh mind can learn it better than the old minds like mine.

This is what I learned so far from my studies so far as far as making of natal kundli.I wish you add your experience in this context for the benefit of others and amateurs like me.RegardsNirmal

On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 11:03 PM, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nirmal ji, i beg to differ. Why do you confine to astro palmistry

alone. What about other parameters. For instance as per gutka Budh 3

placement of articles in 9th and 11th house have been given overriding

powers. Vaastu and other categories for verification are also

important. Why are u over obssessed with palmistry part alone at the

cost of other parameteres. Regards. Kulbir.

 

On 7/12/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

> Dear Arora ji,

> //1. Tewa Drusti is step #1. However, if someone is very sure of DATE, EXACT

> TIME AND PLACE and has a proper computerized horoscope... This step may be

> avoided for sake of planetary positions. Right?

>> However, to check if a planet is benefic or malefic in a given house, that

>> can be checked w.r.t predictions for given planetary postion. Right? //

>

> Tewa durusti remains the step-I even if one have exact time upto

> milliseconds.The lalkitab is having Astro-palmistry system. the treasure

> brought by native in his closed palms(bund Muthi) plays the important role

> and is the ultimate. To keep ourselves nearer to the palmistry durusti is

> required. If one is familiar with making horoscope with the help of

> palmistry(lines, signs etc) then there may not be any need for doing

> durusti. Palms never tell wrong.

>

> For rest of the paras I agree with your point.

> It is good beginning. Keep it up.

> Regards

> Nirmal

> , " buntyarora2626 " <AroraBN wrote:

>>

>> Dear Sirs,

>>

>> I have been trying to spend sometime on the sacred LalKitabs...

>> I know it is not easy... I have gone through many messages in this group

>> advising numerous readings, lot of commitment and sipirtual maturity to

>> understand the book and the wealth of knowledge therein.

>> ( " Got to Die ... if one desires Heaven.... " )

>>

>> May I still have Guru-jan's patience to confirm something very basic and

>> fundamental... Just to check if I am groping in dark or Am I in right

>> direction...

>>

>> Assumptions at back of my mind while relating a horoscope with lalkitab...

>>

>> 1. Tewa Drusti is step #1. However, if someone is very sure of DATE, EXACT

>> TIME AND PLACE and has a proper computerized horoscope... This step may be

>> avoided for sake of planetry positions. Right?

>> However, to check if a planet is benefic or malefic in a given house, that

>> can be checked w.r.t predictions for given planetary postion. Right?

>>

>> 2. The planets in different houses in Janam Kundali are refered with

>> respect to Lal Kitab predictions and they form the basis of... 'what life

>> unfolds for us.' i.e Janam Kundli planets have maximum significance for...

>> 'what becomes of us in future.' (off-course after understanding the

>> complexity of combinations, aspects etc)

>>

>> 3. Varshphal Kundli planets have only temporary affect... only to the

>> extent of what is indicated by janam kundli planet positions. The

>> predictions of 'permanent nature' in varshaphal positions may not apply.

>>

>> Example - Shani in house #6 of janam kundli ... states " after 42 years it

>> brings real prosperity " ...(off-course assuming it satisfies all the Sat #6

>> conditions). In that case, although Shani will move to different houses

>> during 1 to 41 years... and may have much better positions and

>> predictions. But, Janam Kundli prediction will rule over it. Correct?

>>

>> I know above is too much of a short cut and there might be many jewels

>> hiding in so many other pages of Lalkitabs.... which may nullify above

>> analysis. Something like 'Dharmai Tewa' which might be covered separately

>> and not in planetry positions / predictions...

>>

>> My idea here is just to understand... if there is any light at the end of

>> the tunnel... I am in?

>>

>> Hope seniors / masters will understand my viewpoint...

>>

>> Please ignore if someone doesn't like my idea of using words like

>> 'sacred'... 'predictions' etc.

>>

>> Please enlighten.

>>

>> best regards,

>>

>> Bunty Arora

>> +91 99670 50849

>>

>

>

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Nirmal ji, i have no option but to agree with u. It is absolutely

correct beginners should first of all become well versed in palmistry

1939 book first. It becomes cumbersome to learn it later. It is human

tendency to side pass things in which one is deficient. I just got

slipped on that account. I am trying to learn 1939 book but sometimes

it clots my brain. Thanks for ur patient reply and explanation.

Regards. Kulbir.

 

On 7/13/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

> Dear Kulbir Ji,

> As far as the making of Kundli, Me also had mixed point of view a few years

> earlier. But during the detailed perusal of the texts,I have come to the

> conclusion the This book is based on Palmistry.As i already written in

> previous mails that If we look into the title of the book we will find that

> in every book it is said that it is palmistry base. I reproduce the original

> title of each book

>

> 1. 1939 Edition: the title of the book ,transliteration of the contents

> as taken exactly from 1939 book:-

>

> “Hatheli Ki Lakeeron se teva (tipda) Janm Kundli banaane aur zindagi ke

> poorey haalaat dekhney ke liye Samudrik Ki Lalkitab sn-1939”

>

> Translation of above in English can be

>

> “Lalkitab 1939 of samudrik - To make the horoscope with the help of lines of

> Palm and to know the conditions of life “

>

> 2. 1940 Edition: the title of the book ,transliteration of the contents

> as taken exactly from book:-

>

> “Hatheli Ki Lakeeron se teva (tipda) Janm Kundli banaane aur zindagi ke

> poorey haalaat dekhney ke liye Samudrik Ki Lalkitab ke armaan sn-1940”

>

> Translation of above in English can be

>

> “Lalkitab ke armaan 1940 of samudrik - To make the horoscope with the help

> of lines of Palm and to know the conditions of life “

>

> 3. 1941 Edition: the title of the book ,transliteration of the contents

> as taken exactly from book:-

>

> “Hatheli Ki Lakeeron se teva (tipda) Janm Kundli banaane aur zindagi ke

> poorey haalaat dekhney ke liye Samudrik Ki Lalkitab teesra hissa sn-1941”

>

> Translation of above in English can be

>

> “Lalkitab teesra hissa 1941 based upon samudrik - To make the horoscope with

> the help of lines of Palm and to know the conditions of life “

>

> 1942 Edition: title of the book ,transliteration of the contents as taken

> exactly from book:-

>

> “Hatheli Ki Lakeeron se teva (tipda) Janm Kundli banaane aur zindagi ke

> poorey haalaat dekhney ke liye ilam Samudrik Ki Lalkitab tarmeem shuda

> sn-1942”

>

> Translation of above in English shall be

>

> “Corrected Lalkitab 1942 based upon samudrik - To make the horoscope with

> the help of lines of Palm and to know the conditions of life “

>

> 4. 1952 Edition: the title of the book ,transliteration of the contents

> as taken exactly from book:-

>

> “(Astrology Based upon Palmistry) - ilam Samudrik Ki buniyad per chalney

> waley

> Jyotish kee madad se haath rekha ke zariye darust kee huyi Janm Kundli se

> zindagi ke haalaat dekhney ke liye *Lalkitab** *sn-1952”

>

> Translation of above in English can be

> “(Astrology Based upon Palmistry) *Lalkitab -1952* -To know the conditions

> of life with the help of the Jyotish that is based on Horoscope which is

> corrected with the help of palmistry “

> You are right other factors are also there. But most of the factors are

> useful in teva durusti not for making Janm kundli.

> For example, from Ilam qyafa we can know the that native is influenced by

> which planet most and which planet properties are deficient in it. From

> House Kundlis we can verify the effect of planet position as per kundli. The

> planet normally give its indication in house as per house kundli.

> therefore for making natal kundli only two methods are best in order

> by palmistry -by Birth time.

> I always recommend to newcomers to try to learn the method of using

> palmistry for making Kundli because fresh mind can learn it better than the

> old minds like mine.

> This is what I learned so far from my studies so far as far as making of

> natal kundli.I wish you add your experience in this context for the benefit

> of others and amateurs like me.

> Regards

> Nirmal

> On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 11:03 PM, kulbir bance <kulbirbancewrote:

>

>>

>>

>> Nirmal ji, i beg to differ. Why do you confine to astro palmistry

>> alone. What about other parameters. For instance as per gutka Budh 3

>> placement of articles in 9th and 11th house have been given overriding

>> powers. Vaastu and other categories for verification are also

>> important. Why are u over obssessed with palmistry part alone at the

>> cost of other parameteres. Regards. Kulbir.

>>

>>

>> On 7/12/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar

>> <nirbhar%40gmail.com>>

>> wrote:

>> > Dear Arora ji,

>> > //1. Tewa Drusti is step #1. However, if someone is very sure of DATE,

>> EXACT

>> > TIME AND PLACE and has a proper computerized horoscope... This step may

>> be

>> > avoided for sake of planetary positions. Right?

>> >> However, to check if a planet is benefic or malefic in a given house,

>> that

>> >> can be checked w.r.t predictions for given planetary postion. Right? //

>> >

>> > Tewa durusti remains the step-I even if one have exact time upto

>> > milliseconds.The lalkitab is having Astro-palmistry system. the treasure

>> > brought by native in his closed palms(bund Muthi) plays the important

>> role

>> > and is the ultimate. To keep ourselves nearer to the palmistry durusti

>> > is

>> > required. If one is familiar with making horoscope with the help of

>> > palmistry(lines, signs etc) then there may not be any need for doing

>> > durusti. Palms never tell wrong.

>> >

>> > For rest of the paras I agree with your point.

>> > It is good beginning. Keep it up.

>> > Regards

>> > Nirmal

>> > <%40>,

>> " buntyarora2626 " <AroraBN wrote:

>> >>

>> >> Dear Sirs,

>> >>

>> >> I have been trying to spend sometime on the sacred LalKitabs...

>> >> I know it is not easy... I have gone through many messages in this

>> >> group

>> >> advising numerous readings, lot of commitment and sipirtual maturity to

>> >> understand the book and the wealth of knowledge therein.

>> >> ( " Got to Die ... if one desires Heaven.... " )

>> >>

>> >> May I still have Guru-jan's patience to confirm something very basic

>> >> and

>> >> fundamental... Just to check if I am groping in dark or Am I in right

>> >> direction...

>> >>

>> >> Assumptions at back of my mind while relating a horoscope with

>> lalkitab...

>> >>

>> >> 1. Tewa Drusti is step #1. However, if someone is very sure of DATE,

>> EXACT

>> >> TIME AND PLACE and has a proper computerized horoscope... This step may

>> be

>> >> avoided for sake of planetry positions. Right?

>> >> However, to check if a planet is benefic or malefic in a given house,

>> that

>> >> can be checked w.r.t predictions for given planetary postion. Right?

>> >>

>> >> 2. The planets in different houses in Janam Kundali are refered with

>> >> respect to Lal Kitab predictions and they form the basis of... 'what

>> life

>> >> unfolds for us.' i.e Janam Kundli planets have maximum significance

>> for...

>> >> 'what becomes of us in future.' (off-course after understanding the

>> >> complexity of combinations, aspects etc)

>> >>

>> >> 3. Varshphal Kundli planets have only temporary affect... only to the

>> >> extent of what is indicated by janam kundli planet positions. The

>> >> predictions of 'permanent nature' in varshaphal positions may not

>> >> apply.

>> >>

>> >> Example - Shani in house #6 of janam kundli ... states " after 42 years

>> it

>> >> brings real prosperity " ...(off-course assuming it satisfies all the Sat

>> #6

>> >> conditions). In that case, although Shani will move to different houses

>> >> during 1 to 41 years... and may have much better positions and

>> >> predictions. But, Janam Kundli prediction will rule over it. Correct?

>> >>

>> >> I know above is too much of a short cut and there might be many jewels

>> >> hiding in so many other pages of Lalkitabs.... which may nullify above

>> >> analysis. Something like 'Dharmai Tewa' which might be covered

>> separately

>> >> and not in planetry positions / predictions...

>> >>

>> >> My idea here is just to understand... if there is any light at the end

>> of

>> >> the tunnel... I am in?

>> >>

>> >> Hope seniors / masters will understand my viewpoint...

>> >>

>> >> Please ignore if someone doesn't like my idea of using words like

>> >> 'sacred'... 'predictions' etc.

>> >>

>> >> Please enlighten.

>> >>

>> >> best regards,

>> >>

>> >> Bunty Arora

>> >> +91 99670 50849

>> >>

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>

>> --

>> Sent from my mobile device

>>

>>

>

 

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