Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 RESPECTED SUNILBAHUT BAHUT MUBARKBAD.Behad khubsurat mail.SADGURU sadbudhi banay rekhe.Aapne suchmuch kamal kar diya.. Aapki devotion aur mehnet ko mera parnaam.--- On Wed, 29/7/09, sunil.ailawadi150674 <sunil.ailawadi150674 wrote:sunil.ailawadi150674 <sunil.ailawadi150674 Aakhiri kundli - Another angle Date: Wednesday, 29 July, 2009, 7:36 PM Respected Nirmalji, I am a scholar of revered lal kitab who is trying to learn A.B.C. of lal kitab from everything and everyone in the best possible way. I don't know how much my attempt is in right direction but as per my little knowledge which i gathered from the mails published of respected prabhakar ji, kulbir ji, bhatia ji, kondal ji, lalkitabee ji, umeshji, punitji and many other respected and responsible personalities like u to this group. I would like to give my point of view for aakhiri kundli If u look for the very first line which is Yaar ki yari se talluk hai uske aib se nahi here it is referred to masnoi greh as we are more concerned about the good part of any greh rather then its bad part.after reading my opinion kindly go through these two lines once again. Kismat ne bahut kuch bura bhala dikhaya the answer for this line is in farmaan no.1 in 1942 transliteration page no.1 by my Respected Guruji Pt. Veni Madhav Goswamiji . Here it is a reference to the janam kundli of the person Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya the answer for this line is on page no..1 1942 transliteration very first line of the page Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai Here it is referred to the greh which are of greh phal in janam kundli Magar ab uska aakhiri farmaan kya hai the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration second line of the page sukh,daulat aur saans aakhiri, umar ka faisala hota hai Here it is referred to check the three basics things from the varshaphal in concern by making faisala kundli Aakhiri kundli Pehle gharon mein varsh phal ke greh baad ke gharon mein janam kundli ke greh aur uss kundli ke number 10 mein dhokhe ke greh likhenge natija neez faisla hoga.Maslan jo greh do dafa aa jaave veh apna faisla is nai kundli ke mutabik accha ya bura kismat ka faisla denge. i feel this is the way of making final kundli for every year's varshaphal other than what we study as normal varshaphal. it is very important to read about Dhoke ka Grah in addition to varsh phal kundli.A table is given in the book on page no.72 of 1942 transliteration to find out dhoke ka grah in every year of life based on janam kundli. From this final kundli we can check out for the greh(which comes twice) who are going to play a lead role in the person's kundli and are definately going to give there results whether good or bad as far as the kismat for that person is concerned for that certain year's varshaphal Agar is tarteeb se na aave veh varshaphal ke mutaabik phal denge. I feel that if in any particular year we didn't find any greh which comes twice as per faisala kundli, only then we should follow the normal varshaphal kundli. Here I would like to draw kind attn. of Respected prabhakar ji , kulbir ji, umesh ji, punit ji and your goodself that this faisala kundli is incomplete as i feel in 7th house the sun and budh are missing . which are playing key part in this Faisala kundli. Being a student with very little knowledge . I request all the senior respected members to forgive me for my mistakes as I am still in the learning process of revered lal kitab and I humbly request all the respected members mentioned above to correct me for the 7th house sun and budh in faisala kundli. Regards Sunil Ailawadi Looking for local information? Find it on Local Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Dear Sunil ji, Are you not believed in the table " Aam Umar Main Dhokey Ka Grah " which are given on page no. 73? If not, why? Thanks & Regards Umesh Sharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Respected Sunil Ji,Accept my Salutations for interpreting and interlinking the Last page and First page. This type of study is expected from every lalkitab student like me.I have few apprehensions which i would like to mention below: // Kismat ne bahut kuch bura bhala dikhayathe answer for this line is in farmaan no.1 in 1942 transliteration page no.1 by my Respected Guruji Pt. Veni Madhav Goswamiji . Here it is a reference to the janam kundli of the person // Frankly speaking I could not made it out from Farman. No 1. Your further elaboration in these lines will oblige me. //Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration very first line of the pageKhud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota haiHere it is referred to the greh which are of greh phal in janam kundli //May you link up the Grah phal issue with Planetary position in Aakhiri Kundli.I feel that that there is some linking problem between the meaning of a) Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khayaand b) Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota haiin my opinion while a) gives the feeling of a complaint against God, the b) in general is a advisory nature sentence. //c) Magar ab uska aakhiri farmaan kya haithe answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration second line of the paged) sukh,daulat aur saans aakhiri, umar ka faisala hota hai// In my opinion the line c) gives impression that " let me see what He has kept for me as His Last Order. and again d) is a advisory nature line which tells us what This Lal Kitab is meant for the native. What is the astrology for. It is being used for seeking the position of Sukh, Daulat & Umar. Whole science of Lalkitab is teaching us to How to read these. In my view Aakhiri Kundli is the Akhri Farmaan of the Book. //Here it is referred to check the three basics things from the varshaphal in concern by making faisala kundli//in fact, I find myself unable to decode this from First Armaan rather in whole 1942 book that Aakhiri Kundli be referred to use at every varshphal interpretation. I wish some more in this regard from you as this will help all of us to study the subject further. //Maslan jo greh do dafa aa jaave veh apna faisla is nai kundli ke mutabik accha ya bura kismat ka faisla denge.//From your mail i can judge that you have done very comprehensive study of the book. if you remember please tell us whether these lines occurs elsewhere. in Lalkitab at place other than page 384. //Agar is tarteeb se na aave veh varshaphal ke mutaabik phal denge.I feel that if in any particular year we didn't find any greh which comes twice as per faisala kundli, only then we should follow the normal varshaphal kundli. //I have different opinion. I feel that this is against the rules. Even Pandit Ji did not follow this method in the example Kundlis. Has this a general rule then Pundit Ji must have mentioned in every book where topic of Varshphal is discussed. //Here I would like to draw kind attn. of Respected prabhakar ji , kulbir ji, umesh ji, punit ji and your goodself that this faisala kundli is incomplete as i feel in 7th house the sun and budh are missing . which are playing key part in this Faisala kundli. //You are right .As per the rules illustrated in the kundli, Su & Me should be there. Is this required or left intentionaly or by Publlisher, I cannot comment because in such type of situation the clarification can only be given by the Author or the person equivalent to His rank. I am a kid as far as Lalkitab is concerned. .. I have seen rarely such type of innovative mails in group discussions. Please Keep it up. Your contributions are urgently required in the group.RegardsNirmalOn Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:29 PM, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: Sunil ji, sun and mercury are not key planets as they don't repeat themselves. There is ample material on record where all possible angles have been explained. Now it is for the individual to choose what he thinks best. Regards. Kulbir. On 7/29/09, sunil.ailawadi150674 <sunil.ailawadi150674 wrote: > Respected Nirmalji, > > I am a scholar of revered lal kitab who is trying to learn A.B.C. of lal > kitab from everything and everyone in the best possible way. I don't know > how much my attempt is in right direction but as per my little knowledge > which i gathered from the mails published of respected prabhakar ji, kulbir > ji, bhatia ji, kondal ji, lalkitabee ji, umeshji, punitji and many other > respected and responsible personalities like u to this group. > I would like to give my point of view for aakhiri kundli > > If u look for the very first line which is > > Yaar ki yari se talluk hai > uske aib se nahi > > here it is referred to masnoi greh as we are more concerned about the good > part of any greh rather then its bad part.after reading my opinion kindly go > through these two lines once again. > > Kismat ne bahut kuch bura bhala dikhaya > the answer for this line is in farmaan no.1 in 1942 transliteration page > no.1 by my Respected Guruji Pt. Veni Madhav Goswamiji . Here it is a > reference to the janam kundli of the person > > Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya > the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration very first > line of the page > Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai > Here it is referred to the greh which are of greh phal in janam kundli > > Magar ab uska aakhiri farmaan kya hai > the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration second line of > the page > sukh,daulat aur saans aakhiri, umar ka faisala hota hai > Here it is referred to check the three basics things from the varshaphal in > concern by making faisala kundli > > Aakhiri kundli > Pehle gharon mein varsh phal ke greh baad ke gharon mein janam kundli ke > greh aur uss kundli ke number 10 mein dhokhe ke greh likhenge natija neez > faisla hoga.Maslan jo greh do dafa aa jaave veh apna faisla is nai kundli ke > mutabik accha ya bura kismat ka faisla denge. > i feel this is the way of making final kundli for every year's varshaphal > other than what we study as normal varshaphal. it is very important to read > about Dhoke ka Grah in addition to varsh phal kundli.A table is given in the > book on page no.72 of 1942 transliteration to find out dhoke ka grah in > every year of life based on janam kundli. From this final kundli we can > check out for the greh(which comes twice) who are going to play a lead role > in the person's kundli and are definately going to give there results > whether good or bad as far as the kismat for that person is concerned for > that certain year's varshaphal > > Agar is tarteeb se na aave veh varshaphal ke mutaabik phal denge. > I feel that if in any particular year we didn't find any greh which comes > twice as per faisala kundli, only then we should follow the normal > varshaphal kundli. > > Here I would like to draw kind attn. of Respected prabhakar ji , kulbir ji, > umesh ji, punit ji and your goodself that this faisala kundli is incomplete > as i feel in 7th house the sun and budh are missing . which are playing key > part in this Faisala kundli. > > Being a student with very little knowledge . I request all the senior > respected members to forgive me for my mistakes as I am still in the > learning process of revered lal kitab and I humbly request all the respected > members mentioned above to correct me for the 7th house sun and budh in > faisala kundli. > > > Regards > Sunil Ailawadi > > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Dear Bhardwaj ji,There is a nice and fruitful discussion on this forum about:1. Aakhiri Kundli 2. Dhoke ka graha It may useful if you post a complete write up on these issues,This will be a great help even to exerts.Kindly give a thought to my suggestion.Regards to all savants who are participating in this discussions, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIANirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar Sent: Thursday, 30 July, 2009 5:25:48 PMRe: Aakhiri kundli - Another angle Respected Sunil Ji,Accept my Salutations for interpreting and interlinking the Last page and First page.. This type of study is expected from every lalkitab student like me.I have few apprehensions which i would like to mention below: // Kismat ne bahut kuch bura bhala dikhayathe answer for this line is in farmaan no.1 in 1942 transliteration page no.1 by my Respected Guruji Pt. Veni Madhav Goswamiji . Here it is a reference to the janam kundli of the person // Frankly speaking I could not made it out from Farman. No 1. Your further elaboration in these lines will oblige me. //Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration very first line of the pageKhud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota haiHere it is referred to the greh which are of greh phal in janam kundli //May you link up the Grah phal issue with Planetary position in Aakhiri Kundli.I feel that that there is some linking problem between the meaning of a) Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khayaand b) Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota haiin my opinion while a) gives the feeling of a complaint against God, the b) in general is a advisory nature sentence. //c) Magar ab uska aakhiri farmaan kya haithe answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration second line of the paged) sukh,daulat aur saans aakhiri, umar ka faisala hota hai// In my opinion the line c) gives impression that "let me see what He has kept for me as His Last Order. and again d) is a advisory nature line which tells us what This Lal Kitab is meant for the native. What is the astrology for. It is being used for seeking the position of Sukh, Daulat & Umar. Whole science of Lalkitab is teaching us to How to read these. In my view Aakhiri Kundli is the Akhri Farmaan of the Book. //Here it is referred to check the three basics things from the varshaphal in concern by making faisala kundli//in fact, I find myself unable to decode this from First Armaan rather in whole 1942 book that Aakhiri Kundli be referred to use at every varshphal interpretation. I wish some more in this regard from you as this will help all of us to study the subject further. //Maslan jo greh do dafa aa jaave veh apna faisla is nai kundli ke mutabik accha ya bura kismat ka faisla denge.//From your mail i can judge that you have done very comprehensive study of the book. if you remember please tell us whether these lines occurs elsewhere. in Lalkitab at place other than page 384. //Agar is tarteeb se na aave veh varshaphal ke mutaabik phal denge.I feel that if in any particular year we didn't find any greh which comes twice as per faisala kundli, only then we should follow the normal varshaphal kundli. //I have different opinion. I feel that this is against the rules. Even Pandit Ji did not follow this method in the example Kundlis. Has this a general rule then Pundit Ji must have mentioned in every book where topic of Varshphal is discussed. //Here I would like to draw kind attn. of Respected prabhakar ji , kulbir ji, umesh ji, punit ji and your goodself that this faisala kundli is incomplete as i feel in 7th house the sun and budh are missing . which are playing key part in this Faisala kundli. //You are right .As per the rules illustrated in the kundli, Su & Me should be there. Is this required or left intentionaly or by Publlisher, I cannot comment because in such type of situation the clarification can only be given by the Author or the person equivalent to His rank. I am a kid as far as Lalkitab is concerned. .. I have seen rarely such type of innovative mails in group discussions. Please Keep it up. Your contributions are urgently required in the group.RegardsNirmalOn Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:29 PM, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com> wrote: Sunil ji, sun and mercury are not key planets as they don't repeat themselves. There is ample material on record where all possible angles have been explained. Now it is for the individual to choose what he thinks best. Regards. Kulbir. On 7/29/09, sunil.ailawadi15067 4 <sunil.ailawadi15067 4. in> wrote: > Respected Nirmalji, > > I am a scholar of revered lal kitab who is trying to learn A.B.C. of lal > kitab from everything and everyone in the best possible way. I don't know > how much my attempt is in right direction but as per my little knowledge > which i gathered from the mails published of respected prabhakar ji, kulbir > ji, bhatia ji, kondal ji, lalkitabee ji, umeshji, punitji and many other > respected and responsible personalities like u to this group. > I would like to give my point of view for aakhiri kundli > > If u look for the very first line which is > > Yaar ki yari se talluk hai > uske aib se nahi > > here it is referred to masnoi greh as we are more concerned about the good > part of any greh rather then its bad part.after reading my opinion kindly go > through these two lines once again. > > Kismat ne bahut kuch bura bhala dikhaya > the answer for this line is in farmaan no.1 in 1942 transliteration page > no.1 by my Respected Guruji Pt. Veni Madhav Goswamiji . Here it is a > reference to the janam kundli of the person > > Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya > the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration very first > line of the page > Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai > Here it is referred to the greh which are of greh phal in janam kundli > > Magar ab uska aakhiri farmaan kya hai > the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration second line of > the page > sukh,daulat aur saans aakhiri, umar ka faisala hota hai > Here it is referred to check the three basics things from the varshaphal in > concern by making faisala kundli > > Aakhiri kundli > Pehle gharon mein varsh phal ke greh baad ke gharon mein janam kundli ke > greh aur uss kundli ke number 10 mein dhokhe ke greh likhenge natija neez > faisla hoga.Maslan jo greh do dafa aa jaave veh apna faisla is nai kundli ke > mutabik accha ya bura kismat ka faisla denge. > i feel this is the way of making final kundli for every year's varshaphal > other than what we study as normal varshaphal. it is very important to read > about Dhoke ka Grah in addition to varsh phal kundli.A table is given in the > book on page no.72 of 1942 transliteration to find out dhoke ka grah in > every year of life based on janam kundli. From this final kundli we can > check out for the greh(which comes twice) who are going to play a lead role > in the person's kundli and are definately going to give there results > whether good or bad as far as the kismat for that person is concerned for > that certain year's varshaphal > > Agar is tarteeb se na aave veh varshaphal ke mutaabik phal denge. > I feel that if in any particular year we didn't find any greh which comes > twice as per faisala kundli, only then we should follow the normal > varshaphal kundli. > > Here I would like to draw kind attn. of Respected prabhakar ji , kulbir ji, > umesh ji, punit ji and your goodself that this faisala kundli is incomplete > as i feel in 7th house the sun and budh are missing . which are playing key > part in this Faisala kundli. > > Being a student with very little knowledge . I request all the senior > respected members to forgive me for my mistakes as I am still in the > learning process of revered lal kitab and I humbly request all the respected > members mentioned above to correct me for the 7th house sun and budh in > faisala kundli. > > > Regards > Sunil Ailawadi > > -- Sent from my mobile device recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 dated 30-7-2009 parindon ko manzil milengi yakeenan yeh faile hue unke par bolte hai wohi log rehte hai khaamosh aksar zamaane mein jinke hunar bolte hai...... charan pranaam to all respected senior members ,and hello to all my colleagues, first of all i will pay my respect and regards to sunil ji for such a deep and nice explanation on the subject.i feel really happy to see how the thinking is changing day by day to a positive side with respect to the teachings of lal kitab amongst the astrologers as well as amateurs. This was the prime goal of this group to make people aware of the original books on lal kitab and to ensure that readers apply its actual teachings and guidelines in their routine life and get themselves benefitted in all respects . this is a big achievement towards the realization of the goal for spreading the knowledge of lal kitab and its teachings. may god blesss all the humanity and of course the followers and preachers of lal kitab. once again i thanks sunil ji for his innovativeness and the sincerety for the lal kitab. tufaan ki kami nahi jeevan mein ladte hue safar karna hoga jo milenge zakhm safar-e-rahon mein unhe hi zindagi ka tajurba kehna hoga laakh zakhm khaane par bhi har zakhm naya hoga tajurba kitna hi kyu na ho har safar naya hoga keep it up. Regards, MS KONDALNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 5:25:48 PMRe: Aakhiri kundli - Another angle Respected Sunil Ji,Accept my Salutations for interpreting and interlinking the Last page and First page. This type of study is expected from every lalkitab student like me.I have few apprehensions which i would like to mention below: // Kismat ne bahut kuch bura bhala dikhayathe answer for this line is in farmaan no.1 in 1942 transliteration page no.1 by my Respected Guruji Pt. Veni Madhav Goswamiji . Here it is a reference to the janam kundli of the person // Frankly speaking I could not made it out from Farman. No 1. Your further elaboration in these lines will oblige me. //Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration very first line of the pageKhud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota haiHere it is referred to the greh which are of greh phal in janam kundli //May you link up the Grah phal issue with Planetary position in Aakhiri Kundli.I feel that that there is some linking problem between the meaning of a) Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khayaand b) Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota haiin my opinion while a) gives the feeling of a complaint against God, the b) in general is a advisory nature sentence. //c) Magar ab uska aakhiri farmaan kya haithe answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration second line of the paged) sukh,daulat aur saans aakhiri, umar ka faisala hota hai// In my opinion the line c) gives impression that "let me see what He has kept for me as His Last Order. and again d) is a advisory nature line which tells us what This Lal Kitab is meant for the native. What is the astrology for. It is being used for seeking the position of Sukh, Daulat & Umar. Whole science of Lalkitab is teaching us to How to read these. In my view Aakhiri Kundli is the Akhri Farmaan of the Book. //Here it is referred to check the three basics things from the varshaphal in concern by making faisala kundli//in fact, I find myself unable to decode this from First Armaan rather in whole 1942 book that Aakhiri Kundli be referred to use at every varshphal interpretation. I wish some more in this regard from you as this will help all of us to study the subject further. //Maslan jo greh do dafa aa jaave veh apna faisla is nai kundli ke mutabik accha ya bura kismat ka faisla denge.//From your mail i can judge that you have done very comprehensive study of the book. if you remember please tell us whether these lines occurs elsewhere. in Lalkitab at place other than page 384. //Agar is tarteeb se na aave veh varshaphal ke mutaabik phal denge.I feel that if in any particular year we didn't find any greh which comes twice as per faisala kundli, only then we should follow the normal varshaphal kundli. //I have different opinion. I feel that this is against the rules. Even Pandit Ji did not follow this method in the example Kundlis. Has this a general rule then Pundit Ji must have mentioned in every book where topic of Varshphal is discussed. //Here I would like to draw kind attn. of Respected prabhakar ji , kulbir ji, umesh ji, punit ji and your goodself that this faisala kundli is incomplete as i feel in 7th house the sun and budh are missing . which are playing key part in this Faisala kundli. //You are right .As per the rules illustrated in the kundli, Su & Me should be there. Is this required or left intentionaly or by Publlisher, I cannot comment because in such type of situation the clarification can only be given by the Author or the person equivalent to His rank. I am a kid as far as Lalkitab is concerned. .. I have seen rarely such type of innovative mails in group discussions. Please Keep it up. Your contributions are urgently required in the group.RegardsNirmalOn Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:29 PM, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com> wrote: Sunil ji, sun and mercury are not key planets as they don't repeat themselves. There is ample material on record where all possible angles have been explained. Now it is for the individual to choose what he thinks best. Regards. Kulbir. On 7/29/09, sunil.ailawadi15067 4 <sunil.ailawadi15067 4. in> wrote: > Respected Nirmalji, > > I am a scholar of revered lal kitab who is trying to learn A.B.C. of lal > kitab from everything and everyone in the best possible way. I don't know > how much my attempt is in right direction but as per my little knowledge > which i gathered from the mails published of respected prabhakar ji, kulbir > ji, bhatia ji, kondal ji, lalkitabee ji, umeshji, punitji and many other > respected and responsible personalities like u to this group. > I would like to give my point of view for aakhiri kundli > > If u look for the very first line which is > > Yaar ki yari se talluk hai > uske aib se nahi > > here it is referred to masnoi greh as we are more concerned about the good > part of any greh rather then its bad part.after reading my opinion kindly go > through these two lines once again. > > Kismat ne bahut kuch bura bhala dikhaya > the answer for this line is in farmaan no.1 in 1942 transliteration page > no.1 by my Respected Guruji Pt. Veni Madhav Goswamiji . Here it is a > reference to the janam kundli of the person > > Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya > the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration very first > line of the page > Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai > Here it is referred to the greh which are of greh phal in janam kundli > > Magar ab uska aakhiri farmaan kya hai > the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration second line of > the page > sukh,daulat aur saans aakhiri, umar ka faisala hota hai > Here it is referred to check the three basics things from the varshaphal in > concern by making faisala kundli > > Aakhiri kundli > Pehle gharon mein varsh phal ke greh baad ke gharon mein janam kundli ke > greh aur uss kundli ke number 10 mein dhokhe ke greh likhenge natija neez > faisla hoga.Maslan jo greh do dafa aa jaave veh apna faisla is nai kundli ke > mutabik accha ya bura kismat ka faisla denge. > i feel this is the way of making final kundli for every year's varshaphal > other than what we study as normal varshaphal. it is very important to read > about Dhoke ka Grah in addition to varsh phal kundli.A table is given in the > book on page no.72 of 1942 transliteration to find out dhoke ka grah in > every year of life based on janam kundli. From this final kundli we can > check out for the greh(which comes twice) who are going to play a lead role > in the person's kundli and are definately going to give there results > whether good or bad as far as the kismat for that person is concerned for > that certain year's varshaphal > > Agar is tarteeb se na aave veh varshaphal ke mutaabik phal denge. > I feel that if in any particular year we didn't find any greh which comes > twice as per faisala kundli, only then we should follow the normal > varshaphal kundli. > > Here I would like to draw kind attn. of Respected prabhakar ji , kulbir ji, > umesh ji, punit ji and your goodself that this faisala kundli is incomplete > as i feel in 7th house the sun and budh are missing . which are playing key > part in this Faisala kundli. > > Being a student with very little knowledge . I request all the senior > respected members to forgive me for my mistakes as I am still in the > learning process of revered lal kitab and I humbly request all the respected > members mentioned above to correct me for the 7th house sun and budh in > faisala kundli. > > > Regards > Sunil Ailawadi > > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 ----- Forwarded Message ----maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal Cc: maneshwar singh kondal <mskondalThursday, July 30, 2009 9:14:31 PMRe: Aakhiri kundli - Another angle dated 30-7-2009 parindon ko manzil milengi yakeenan yeh faile hue unke par bolte hai wohi log rehte hai khaamosh aksar zamaane mein jinke hunar bolte hai...... charan pranaam to all respected senior members ,and hello to all my colleagues, first of all i will pay my respect and regards to sunil ji for such a deep and nice explanation on the subject.i feel really happy to see how the thinking is changing day by day to a positive side with respect to the teachings of lal kitab amongst the astrologers as well as amateurs. This was the prime goal of this group to make people aware of the original books on lal kitab and to ensure that readers apply its actual teachings and guidelines in their routine life and get themselves benefitted in all respects . this is a big achievement towards the realization of the goal for spreading the knowledge of lal kitab and its teachings. may god blesss all the humanity and of course the followers and preachers of lal kitab. once again i thanks sunil ji for his innovativeness and the sincerety for the lal kitab. tufaan ki kami nahi jeevan mein ladte hue safar karna hoga jo milenge zakhm safar-e-rahon mein unhe hi zindagi ka tajurba kehna hoga laakh zakhm khaane par bhi har zakhm naya hoga tajurba kitna hi kyu na ho har safar naya hoga keep it up. Regards, MS KONDALNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 5:25:48 PMRe: Aakhiri kundli - Another angle Respected Sunil Ji,Accept my Salutations for interpreting and interlinking the Last page and First page. This type of study is expected from every lalkitab student like me.I have few apprehensions which i would like to mention below: // Kismat ne bahut kuch bura bhala dikhayathe answer for this line is in farmaan no.1 in 1942 transliteration page no.1 by my Respected Guruji Pt. Veni Madhav Goswamiji . Here it is a reference to the janam kundli of the person // Frankly speaking I could not made it out from Farman. No 1. Your further elaboration in these lines will oblige me. //Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration very first line of the pageKhud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota haiHere it is referred to the greh which are of greh phal in janam kundli //May you link up the Grah phal issue with Planetary position in Aakhiri Kundli.I feel that that there is some linking problem between the meaning of a) Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khayaand b) Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota haiin my opinion while a) gives the feeling of a complaint against God, the b) in general is a advisory nature sentence. //c) Magar ab uska aakhiri farmaan kya haithe answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration second line of the paged) sukh,daulat aur saans aakhiri, umar ka faisala hota hai// In my opinion the line c) gives impression that "let me see what He has kept for me as His Last Order. and again d) is a advisory nature line which tells us what This Lal Kitab is meant for the native. What is the astrology for. It is being used for seeking the position of Sukh, Daulat & Umar. Whole science of Lalkitab is teaching us to How to read these. In my view Aakhiri Kundli is the Akhri Farmaan of the Book. //Here it is referred to check the three basics things from the varshaphal in concern by making faisala kundli//in fact, I find myself unable to decode this from First Armaan rather in whole 1942 book that Aakhiri Kundli be referred to use at every varshphal interpretation. I wish some more in this regard from you as this will help all of us to study the subject further. //Maslan jo greh do dafa aa jaave veh apna faisla is nai kundli ke mutabik accha ya bura kismat ka faisla denge.//From your mail i can judge that you have done very comprehensive study of the book. if you remember please tell us whether these lines occurs elsewhere. in Lalkitab at place other than page 384. //Agar is tarteeb se na aave veh varshaphal ke mutaabik phal denge.I feel that if in any particular year we didn't find any greh which comes twice as per faisala kundli, only then we should follow the normal varshaphal kundli. //I have different opinion. I feel that this is against the rules. Even Pandit Ji did not follow this method in the example Kundlis. Has this a general rule then Pundit Ji must have mentioned in every book where topic of Varshphal is discussed. //Here I would like to draw kind attn. of Respected prabhakar ji , kulbir ji, umesh ji, punit ji and your goodself that this faisala kundli is incomplete as i feel in 7th house the sun and budh are missing . which are playing key part in this Faisala kundli. //You are right .As per the rules illustrated in the kundli, Su & Me should be there. Is this required or left intentionaly or by Publlisher, I cannot comment because in such type of situation the clarification can only be given by the Author or the person equivalent to His rank. I am a kid as far as Lalkitab is concerned. .. I have seen rarely such type of innovative mails in group discussions. Please Keep it up. Your contributions are urgently required in the group.RegardsNirmalOn Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:29 PM, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com> wrote: Sunil ji, sun and mercury are not key planets as they don't repeat themselves. There is ample material on record where all possible angles have been explained. Now it is for the individual to choose what he thinks best. Regards. Kulbir. On 7/29/09, sunil.ailawadi15067 4 <sunil.ailawadi15067 4. in> wrote: > Respected Nirmalji, > > I am a scholar of revered lal kitab who is trying to learn A.B.C. of lal > kitab from everything and everyone in the best possible way. I don't know > how much my attempt is in right direction but as per my little knowledge > which i gathered from the mails published of respected prabhakar ji, kulbir > ji, bhatia ji, kondal ji, lalkitabee ji, umeshji, punitji and many other > respected and responsible personalities like u to this group. > I would like to give my point of view for aakhiri kundli > > If u look for the very first line which is > > Yaar ki yari se talluk hai > uske aib se nahi > > here it is referred to masnoi greh as we are more concerned about the good > part of any greh rather then its bad part.after reading my opinion kindly go > through these two lines once again. > > Kismat ne bahut kuch bura bhala dikhaya > the answer for this line is in farmaan no.1 in 1942 transliteration page > no.1 by my Respected Guruji Pt. Veni Madhav Goswamiji . Here it is a > reference to the janam kundli of the person > > Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya > the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration very first > line of the page > Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai > Here it is referred to the greh which are of greh phal in janam kundli > > Magar ab uska aakhiri farmaan kya hai > the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration second line of > the page > sukh,daulat aur saans aakhiri, umar ka faisala hota hai > Here it is referred to check the three basics things from the varshaphal in > concern by making faisala kundli > > Aakhiri kundli > Pehle gharon mein varsh phal ke greh baad ke gharon mein janam kundli ke > greh aur uss kundli ke number 10 mein dhokhe ke greh likhenge natija neez > faisla hoga.Maslan jo greh do dafa aa jaave veh apna faisla is nai kundli ke > mutabik accha ya bura kismat ka faisla denge. > i feel this is the way of making final kundli for every year's varshaphal > other than what we study as normal varshaphal. it is very important to read > about Dhoke ka Grah in addition to varsh phal kundli.A table is given in the > book on page no.72 of 1942 transliteration to find out dhoke ka grah in > every year of life based on janam kundli. From this final kundli we can > check out for the greh(which comes twice) who are going to play a lead role > in the person's kundli and are definately going to give there results > whether good or bad as far as the kismat for that person is concerned for > that certain year's varshaphal > > Agar is tarteeb se na aave veh varshaphal ke mutaabik phal denge. > I feel that if in any particular year we didn't find any greh which comes > twice as per faisala kundli, only then we should follow the normal > varshaphal kundli. > > Here I would like to draw kind attn. of Respected prabhakar ji , kulbir ji, > umesh ji, punit ji and your goodself that this faisala kundli is incomplete > as i feel in 7th house the sun and budh are missing . which are playing key > part in this Faisala kundli. > > Being a student with very little knowledge . I request all the senior > respected members to forgive me for my mistakes as I am still in the > learning process of revered lal kitab and I humbly request all the respected > members mentioned above to correct me for the 7th house sun and budh in > faisala kundli. > > > Regards > Sunil Ailawadi > > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Sunil ji, Mr. Finn Wandahl's line " no astrologer is better than the last horoscope he did " is a bench mark for me. So if u want we can discuss these points at length to Bhai dhokey ke grah ne to aise jalwa dikhaye ki sab ke dhoke ke naqab uttar diye. Ab pata nahin aap khud likh rahe ho ya aapke bhi kaandhe par koi bandook rakh kar baitha hai. Aksar aisa hota hai ki bi SLEEPING MEMBERS ik dum se jaag jate hain aur phir so jate hain. Pata bhi nahin chalta bi jage kyukar te ar so kyon gaye. So bhai agar serious hai to baat kar nahin to jaane de. Aise kitaban gail majak ko nahin karde hunde. Baki moderator ji message ban karne ki bajaye sunil tak pahuncha deo. Kulbir. On 7/29/09, sunil.ailawadi150674 <sunil.ailawadi150674 wrote: > Respected Nirmalji, > > I am a scholar of revered lal kitab who is trying to learn A.B.C. of lal > kitab from everything and everyone in the best possible way. I don't know > how much my attempt is in right direction but as per my little knowledge > which i gathered from the mails published of respected prabhakar ji, kulbir > ji, bhatia ji, kondal ji, lalkitabee ji, umeshji, punitji and many other > respected and responsible personalities like u to this group. > I would like to give my point of view for aakhiri kundli > > If u look for the very first line which is > > Yaar ki yari se talluk hai > uske aib se nahi > > here it is referred to masnoi greh as we are more concerned about the good > part of any greh rather then its bad part.after reading my opinion kindly go > through these two lines once again. > > Kismat ne bahut kuch bura bhala dikhaya > the answer for this line is in farmaan no.1 in 1942 transliteration page > no.1 by my Respected Guruji Pt. Veni Madhav Goswamiji . Here it is a > reference to the janam kundli of the person > > Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya > the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration very first > line of the page > Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai > Here it is referred to the greh which are of greh phal in janam kundli > > Magar ab uska aakhiri farmaan kya hai > the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration second line of > the page > sukh,daulat aur saans aakhiri, umar ka faisala hota hai > Here it is referred to check the three basics things from the varshaphal in > concern by making faisala kundli > > Aakhiri kundli > Pehle gharon mein varsh phal ke greh baad ke gharon mein janam kundli ke > greh aur uss kundli ke number 10 mein dhokhe ke greh likhenge natija neez > faisla hoga.Maslan jo greh do dafa aa jaave veh apna faisla is nai kundli ke > mutabik accha ya bura kismat ka faisla denge. > i feel this is the way of making final kundli for every year's varshaphal > other than what we study as normal varshaphal. it is very important to read > about Dhoke ka Grah in addition to varsh phal kundli.A table is given in the > book on page no.72 of 1942 transliteration to find out dhoke ka grah in > every year of life based on janam kundli. From this final kundli we can > check out for the greh(which comes twice) who are going to play a lead role > in the person's kundli and are definately going to give there results > whether good or bad as far as the kismat for that person is concerned for > that certain year's varshaphal > > Agar is tarteeb se na aave veh varshaphal ke mutaabik phal denge. > I feel that if in any particular year we didn't find any greh which comes > twice as per faisala kundli, only then we should follow the normal > varshaphal kundli. > > Here I would like to draw kind attn. of Respected prabhakar ji , kulbir ji, > umesh ji, punit ji and your goodself that this faisala kundli is incomplete > as i feel in 7th house the sun and budh are missing . which are playing key > part in this Faisala kundli. > > Being a student with very little knowledge . I request all the senior > respected members to forgive me for my mistakes as I am still in the > learning process of revered lal kitab and I humbly request all the respected > members mentioned above to correct me for the 7th house sun and budh in > faisala kundli. > > > Regards > Sunil Ailawadi > > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Kondal Sahib, i can understand " kuch to mazbooriyan rahin hongi, yon hi koi bewafa nahin hota " kai gal tuhade kis ne par katte ne. Tussin kyon nahin bolde. Chalo jo tuhada zameer kahe. Regards. Kulbir. On 7/30/09, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal wrote: > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal > > Cc: maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal > Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:14:31 PM > Re: Aakhiri kundli - Another angle > > > > dated 30-7-2009 > parindon ko manzil milengi yakeenan > yeh faile hue unke par bolte hai > > wohi log rehte hai khaamosh aksar > zamaane mein jinke hunar bolte hai...... > > charan pranaam to all respected senior members ,and hello to all my > colleagues, > > first of all i will pay my respect and regards to sunil ji for such a > deep and nice explanation on the subject.i feel really happy to see how > the thinking is changing day by day to a positive side with respect to > the teachings of lal kitab amongst the astrologers as well as amateurs. > > This was the prime goal of this group to make people > aware of the original books on lal kitab and to ensure that readers > apply its actual teachings and guidelines in their routine life and get > themselves benefitted in all respects . > > this is a big achievement towards the realization of the goal for spreading > the knowledge of lal kitab and its teachings. > may god blesss all the humanity and of course the followers and preachers of > lal kitab. > once again i thanks sunil ji for his innovativeness and the sincerety for > the lal kitab. > > tufaan ki kami nahi jeevan mein > ladte hue safar karna hoga > jo milenge zakhm safar-e-rahon mein > unhe hi zindagi ka tajurba kehna hoga > laakh zakhm khaane par bhi > har zakhm naya hoga > tajurba kitna hi kyu na ho > har safar naya hoga > > keep it up. > > Regards, > MS KONDAL > > > > ________________________________ > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar > > Thursday, July 30, 2009 5:25:48 PM > Re: Aakhiri kundli - Another angle > > > Respected Sunil Ji, > Accept my Salutations for interpreting and interlinking the Last page and > First page. This type of study is expected from every lalkitab student like > me.I have few apprehensions which i would like to mention below: > > // > Kismat ne bahut kuch bura bhala dikhaya > the answer for this line is in farmaan no.1 in 1942 transliteration page > no.1 by my Respected Guruji Pt. Veni Madhav Goswamiji . Here it is a > reference to the janam kundli of the person > // > > Frankly speaking I could not made it out from Farman. No 1. Your further > elaboration in these lines will oblige me. > > // > Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya > the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration very first > line of the page > Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai > Here it is referred to the greh which are of greh phal in janam kundli > // > May you link up the Grah phal issue with Planetary position in Aakhiri > Kundli. > > I feel that that there is some linking problem between the meaning of > a) Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya > and > b) Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai > in my opinion whilea) gives the feeling of a complaint against God,the b) in > general is a advisory nature sentence. > > // > c) Magar ab uska aakhiri farmaan kya hai > the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration second line of > the page > d) sukh,daulat aur saans aakhiri, umar ka faisala hota hai > // > In my opinion the line c) gives impression that " let me see what He has kept > for me as His Last Order. and again d) is a advisory nature line which > tells us what This Lal Kitab is meant for the native. > What is the astrology for. It is being used for seeking the position of > Sukh, Daulat & Umar. Whole science of Lalkitab is teaching us to How to > read these. In my view Aakhiri Kundli is the Akhri Farmaan of the Book. > > // > Here it is referred to check the three basics things from the varshaphal in > concern by making faisala kundli > // > > in fact, I find myself unable to decode this from First Armaan rather in > whole 1942 book that Aakhiri Kundli be referred to use at every varshphal > interpretation. I wish some more in this regard from you as this will help > all of us to study the subject further. > > // > Maslan jo greh do dafa aa jaave veh apna faisla is nai kundli ke mutabik > accha ya bura kismat ka faisla denge. > // > > From your mail i can judge that you have done very comprehensive study of > the book. if you remember please tell us whether these lines occurs > elsewhere. in Lalkitab at place other than page 384. > > // > Agar is tarteeb se na aave veh varshaphal ke mutaabik phal denge. > I feel that if in any particular year we didn't find any greh which comes > twice as per faisala kundli, only then we should follow the normal > varshaphal kundli. > // > > I have different opinion. I feel that this is against the rules. Even Pandit > Ji did not follow this method in the example Kundlis. Has this a general > rule then Pundit Ji must have mentioned in every book where topic of > Varshphal is discussed. > > // > Here I would like to draw kind attn. of Respected prabhakar ji , kulbir ji, > umesh ji, punit ji and your goodself that this faisala kundli is incomplete > as i feel in 7th house the sun and budh are missing . which are playing key > part in this Faisala kundli. > // > > You are right .As per the rules illustrated in the kundli, Su & Me should be > there. Is this required or left intentionaly or by Publlisher, I cannot > comment because in such type of situationthe clarification can only be given > by the Author or the person equivalent to His rank. I am a kid as far as > Lalkitab is concerned. > . > I have seen rarely such type of innovative mails in group discussions. > Please Keep it up. Your contributions are urgently required in the group. > > Regards > Nirmal > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:29 PM, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >>Sunil ji, sun and mercury are not key planets as they don't repeat >>>themselves. There is ample material on record where all possible >>>angles have been explained. Now it is for the individual to choose >>>what he thinks best. Regards. Kulbir. >> >> >>>On 7/29/09, sunil.ailawadi15067 4 <sunil.ailawadi15067 4. in> >>> wrote: >>>> Respected Nirmalji, >>>> >>>> I am a scholar of revered lal kitab who is trying to learn A.B.C. of lal >>>> kitab from everything and everyone in the best possible way. I don't >>>> know >>>> how much my attempt is in right direction but as per my little knowledge >>>> which i gathered from the mails published of respected prabhakar ji, >>>> kulbir >>>> ji, bhatia ji, kondal ji, lalkitabee ji, umeshji, punitji and many other >>>> respected and responsible personalities like u to this group. >>>> I would like to give my point of view for aakhiri kundli >>>> >>>> If u look for the very first line which is >>>> >>>> Yaar ki yari se talluk hai >>>> uske aib se nahi >>>> >>>> here it is referred to masnoi greh as we are more concerned about the >>>> good >>>> part of any greh rather then its bad part.after reading my opinion >>>> kindly go >>>> through these two lines once again. >>>> >>>> Kismat ne bahut kuch bura bhala dikhaya >>>> the answer for this line is in farmaan no.1 in 1942 transliteration page >>>> no.1 by my Respected Guruji Pt. Veni Madhav Goswamiji . Here it is a >>>> reference to the janam kundli of the person >>>> >>>> Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya >>>> the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration very first >>>> line of the page >>>> Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai >>>> Here it is referred to the greh which are of greh phal in janam kundli >>>> >>>> Magar ab uska aakhiri farmaan kya hai >>>> the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration second >>>> line of >>>> the page >>>> sukh,daulat aur saans aakhiri, umar ka faisala hota hai >>>> Here it is referred to check the three basics things from the varshaphal >>>> in >>>> concern by making faisala kundli >>>> >>>> Aakhiri kundli >>>> Pehle gharon mein varsh phal ke greh baad ke gharon mein janam kundli ke >>>> greh aur uss kundli ke number 10 mein dhokhe ke greh likhenge natija >>>> neez >>>> faisla hoga.Maslan jo greh do dafa aa jaave veh apna faisla is nai >>>> kundli ke >>>> mutabik accha ya bura kismat ka faisla denge. >>>> i feel this is the way of making final kundli for every year's >>>> varshaphal >>>> other than what we study as normal varshaphal. it is very important to >>>> read >>>> about Dhoke ka Grah in addition to varsh phal kundli.A table is given in >>>> the >>>> book on page no.72 of 1942 transliteration to find out dhoke ka grah in >>>> every year of life based on janam kundli. From this final kundli we can >>>> check out for the greh(which comes twice) who are going to play a lead >>>> role >>>> in the person's kundli and are definately going to give there results >>>> whether good or bad as far as the kismat for that person is concerned >>>> for >>>> that certain year's varshaphal >>>> >>>> Agar is tarteeb se na aave veh varshaphal ke mutaabik phal denge. >>>> I feel that if in any particular year we didn't find any greh which >>>> comes >>>> twice as per faisala kundli, only then we should follow the normal >>>> varshaphal kundli. >>>> >>>> Here I would like to draw kind attn. of Respected prabhakar ji , kulbir >>>> ji, >>>> umesh ji, punit ji and your goodself that this faisala kundli is >>>> incomplete >>>> as i feel in 7th house the sun and budh are missing . which are playing >>>> key >>>> part in this Faisala kundli. >>>> >>>> Being a student with very little knowledge . I request all the senior >>>> respected members to forgive me for my mistakes as I am still in the >>>> learning process of revered lal kitab and I humbly request all the >>>> respected >>>> members mentioned above to correct me for the 7th house sun and budh in >>>> faisala kundli. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Sunil Ailawadi >>>> >>>> >> >> >>-- >>>Sent from my mobile device >> > > > > > > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Dear Kulbir ji, No one can even dare to think about clipping the wings of our most respected colleague Acharya Maneshwar Singh Kondal ji He is not any ordinary bird, rather he is a Babbar Sher and everybody will think twice even before thinking of touching his tail. I hope that Kondal Sahib will take it as a friendly banter. Archarya Kondal Sahib, the very existence of this forum is based on the following four strong pillars: (1). Shri Nirmal Bhardwaj ji (2). Acharya MS Kondal ji (3). Sh. Kubir Bains ji (3). Sh. PK Sharma ji We need all the pillars intact as strong as ever, because your power of knowledge and experience is the very lifeline of this group. Finally, I render my unconditional apology to Acharya Kondal Sahib in a hope that he will pardon ME if he felt offended in any way. Sincerely Yograj Prabhakar , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Kondal Sahib, i can understand " kuch to mazbooriyan rahin hongi, yon > hi koi bewafa nahin hota " kai gal tuhade kis ne par katte ne. Tussin > kyon nahin bolde. Chalo jo tuhada zameer kahe. Regards. Kulbir. > > On 7/30/09, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > > maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal > > > > Cc: maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal > > Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:14:31 PM > > Re: Aakhiri kundli - Another angle > > > > > > > > dated 30-7-2009 > > parindon ko manzil milengi yakeenan > > yeh faile hue unke par bolte hai > > > > wohi log rehte hai khaamosh aksar > > zamaane mein jinke hunar bolte hai...... > > > > charan pranaam to all respected senior members ,and hello to all my > > colleagues, > > > > first of all i will pay my respect and regards to sunil ji for such a > > deep and nice explanation on the subject.i feel really happy to see how > > the thinking is changing day by day to a positive side with respect to > > the teachings of lal kitab amongst the astrologers as well as amateurs. > > > > This was the prime goal of this group to make people > > aware of the original books on lal kitab and to ensure that readers > > apply its actual teachings and guidelines in their routine life and get > > themselves benefitted in all respects . > > > > this is a big achievement towards the realization of the goal for spreading > > the knowledge of lal kitab and its teachings. > > may god blesss all the humanity and of course the followers and preachers of > > lal kitab. > > once again i thanks sunil ji for his innovativeness and the sincerety for > > the lal kitab. > > > > tufaan ki kami nahi jeevan mein > > ladte hue safar karna hoga > > jo milenge zakhm safar-e-rahon mein > > unhe hi zindagi ka tajurba kehna hoga > > laakh zakhm khaane par bhi > > har zakhm naya hoga > > tajurba kitna hi kyu na ho > > har safar naya hoga > > > > keep it up. > > > > Regards, > > MS KONDAL > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar > > > > Thursday, July 30, 2009 5:25:48 PM > > Re: Aakhiri kundli - Another angle > > > > > > Respected Sunil Ji, > > Accept my Salutations for interpreting and interlinking the Last page and > > First page. This type of study is expected from every lalkitab student like > > me.I have few apprehensions which i would like to mention below: > > > > // > > Kismat ne bahut kuch bura bhala dikhaya > > the answer for this line is in farmaan no.1 in 1942 transliteration page > > no.1 by my Respected Guruji Pt. Veni Madhav Goswamiji . Here it is a > > reference to the janam kundli of the person > > // > > > > Frankly speaking I could not made it out from Farman. No 1. Your further > > elaboration in these lines will oblige me. > > > > // > > Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya > > the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration very first > > line of the page > > Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai > > Here it is referred to the greh which are of greh phal in janam kundli > > // > > May you link up the Grah phal issue with Planetary position in Aakhiri > > Kundli. > > > > I feel that that there is some linking problem between the meaning of > > a) Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya > > and > > b) Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai > > in my opinion whilea) gives the feeling of a complaint against God,the b) in > > general is a advisory nature sentence. > > > > // > > c) Magar ab uska aakhiri farmaan kya hai > > the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration second line of > > the page > > d) sukh,daulat aur saans aakhiri, umar ka faisala hota hai > > // > > In my opinion the line c) gives impression that " let me see what He has kept > > for me as His Last Order. and again d) is a advisory nature line which > > tells us what This Lal Kitab is meant for the native. > > What is the astrology for. It is being used for seeking the position of > > Sukh, Daulat & Umar. Whole science of Lalkitab is teaching us to How to > > read these. In my view Aakhiri Kundli is the Akhri Farmaan of the Book. > > > > // > > Here it is referred to check the three basics things from the varshaphal in > > concern by making faisala kundli > > // > > > > in fact, I find myself unable to decode this from First Armaan rather in > > whole 1942 book that Aakhiri Kundli be referred to use at every varshphal > > interpretation. I wish some more in this regard from you as this will help > > all of us to study the subject further. > > > > // > > Maslan jo greh do dafa aa jaave veh apna faisla is nai kundli ke mutabik > > accha ya bura kismat ka faisla denge. > > // > > > > From your mail i can judge that you have done very comprehensive study of > > the book. if you remember please tell us whether these lines occurs > > elsewhere. in Lalkitab at place other than page 384. > > > > // > > Agar is tarteeb se na aave veh varshaphal ke mutaabik phal denge. > > I feel that if in any particular year we didn't find any greh which comes > > twice as per faisala kundli, only then we should follow the normal > > varshaphal kundli. > > // > > > > I have different opinion. I feel that this is against the rules. Even Pandit > > Ji did not follow this method in the example Kundlis. Has this a general > > rule then Pundit Ji must have mentioned in every book where topic of > > Varshphal is discussed. > > > > // > > Here I would like to draw kind attn. of Respected prabhakar ji , kulbir ji, > > umesh ji, punit ji and your goodself that this faisala kundli is incomplete > > as i feel in 7th house the sun and budh are missing . which are playing key > > part in this Faisala kundli. > > // > > > > You are right .As per the rules illustrated in the kundli, Su & Me should be > > there. Is this required or left intentionaly or by Publlisher, I cannot > > comment because in such type of situationthe clarification can only be given > > by the Author or the person equivalent to His rank. I am a kid as far as > > Lalkitab is concerned. > > . > > I have seen rarely such type of innovative mails in group discussions. > > Please Keep it up. Your contributions are urgently required in the group. > > > > Regards > > Nirmal > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:29 PM, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > >>Sunil ji, sun and mercury are not key planets as they don't repeat > >>>themselves. There is ample material on record where all possible > >>>angles have been explained. Now it is for the individual to choose > >>>what he thinks best. Regards. Kulbir. > >> > >> > >>>On 7/29/09, sunil.ailawadi15067 4 <sunil.ailawadi15067 4. in> > >>> wrote: > >>>> Respected Nirmalji, > >>>> > >>>> I am a scholar of revered lal kitab who is trying to learn A.B.C. of lal > >>>> kitab from everything and everyone in the best possible way. I don't > >>>> know > >>>> how much my attempt is in right direction but as per my little knowledge > >>>> which i gathered from the mails published of respected prabhakar ji, > >>>> kulbir > >>>> ji, bhatia ji, kondal ji, lalkitabee ji, umeshji, punitji and many other > >>>> respected and responsible personalities like u to this group. > >>>> I would like to give my point of view for aakhiri kundli > >>>> > >>>> If u look for the very first line which is > >>>> > >>>> Yaar ki yari se talluk hai > >>>> uske aib se nahi > >>>> > >>>> here it is referred to masnoi greh as we are more concerned about the > >>>> good > >>>> part of any greh rather then its bad part.after reading my opinion > >>>> kindly go > >>>> through these two lines once again. > >>>> > >>>> Kismat ne bahut kuch bura bhala dikhaya > >>>> the answer for this line is in farmaan no.1 in 1942 transliteration page > >>>> no.1 by my Respected Guruji Pt. Veni Madhav Goswamiji . Here it is a > >>>> reference to the janam kundli of the person > >>>> > >>>> Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya > >>>> the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration very first > >>>> line of the page > >>>> Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai > >>>> Here it is referred to the greh which are of greh phal in janam kundli > >>>> > >>>> Magar ab uska aakhiri farmaan kya hai > >>>> the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration second > >>>> line of > >>>> the page > >>>> sukh,daulat aur saans aakhiri, umar ka faisala hota hai > >>>> Here it is referred to check the three basics things from the varshaphal > >>>> in > >>>> concern by making faisala kundli > >>>> > >>>> Aakhiri kundli > >>>> Pehle gharon mein varsh phal ke greh baad ke gharon mein janam kundli ke > >>>> greh aur uss kundli ke number 10 mein dhokhe ke greh likhenge natija > >>>> neez > >>>> faisla hoga.Maslan jo greh do dafa aa jaave veh apna faisla is nai > >>>> kundli ke > >>>> mutabik accha ya bura kismat ka faisla denge. > >>>> i feel this is the way of making final kundli for every year's > >>>> varshaphal > >>>> other than what we study as normal varshaphal. it is very important to > >>>> read > >>>> about Dhoke ka Grah in addition to varsh phal kundli.A table is given in > >>>> the > >>>> book on page no.72 of 1942 transliteration to find out dhoke ka grah in > >>>> every year of life based on janam kundli. From this final kundli we can > >>>> check out for the greh(which comes twice) who are going to play a lead > >>>> role > >>>> in the person's kundli and are definately going to give there results > >>>> whether good or bad as far as the kismat for that person is concerned > >>>> for > >>>> that certain year's varshaphal > >>>> > >>>> Agar is tarteeb se na aave veh varshaphal ke mutaabik phal denge. > >>>> I feel that if in any particular year we didn't find any greh which > >>>> comes > >>>> twice as per faisala kundli, only then we should follow the normal > >>>> varshaphal kundli. > >>>> > >>>> Here I would like to draw kind attn. of Respected prabhakar ji , kulbir > >>>> ji, > >>>> umesh ji, punit ji and your goodself that this faisala kundli is > >>>> incomplete > >>>> as i feel in 7th house the sun and budh are missing . which are playing > >>>> key > >>>> part in this Faisala kundli. > >>>> > >>>> Being a student with very little knowledge . I request all the senior > >>>> respected members to forgive me for my mistakes as I am still in the > >>>> learning process of revered lal kitab and I humbly request all the > >>>> respected > >>>> members mentioned above to correct me for the 7th house sun and budh in > >>>> faisala kundli. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Regards > >>>> Sunil Ailawadi > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> > >>-- > >>>Sent from my mobile device > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 dated 31.7.2009Respcted Yograj ji, Charan pranaam and first of all thank you very much for your kind and courage building words.I have all the respect and regards for you in my life and that will increase more from today onwards.I am your younger brother and your disciple as I too had learned many good things from you if anybody thinks he can part us by words or by any conscipiracy ,then those forces are at mistake.Sir you are my elder and i should feel sorry if i had hurt you at any point and you have all the rights to say me any thing as I know you are my well wisher and what ever you will do, it is accepted to me in any form whether it is a reward or punishment. DOST AUR GURU TO WOH HI HAI JO BARISH MEIN BHEEGAE HUE AAP KE CHEHRE KO BHI DEKH KAR BAARISH AUR AANSU MEIN FARAK JAAN LE. Sir this is your goodness whatever you had written for me and for my friends.you should not appologise for anything as i know you can't do anything wrong for me and any other lal kitab learner. Today our group is picking up nicely and lot of people and divisive forces are working together to part us and I warn all those people and forces that we are very much aware of each and every action of opposition. Though I write very few mails but I regularly monitor group activities and had never reacted directly to anybody and never made any personal remarks.Some people might have lot of time to find faults of others but I had never done this job and would never like to do so.jis ka kaam usiko saajae. our group moto is to unite people rather than divide.regards,ms kondalYograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:19:05 PM Re: Aakhiri kundli - Another angle Dear Kulbir ji, No one can even dare to think about clipping the wings of our most respected colleague Acharya Maneshwar Singh Kondal ji He is not any ordinary bird, rather he is a Babbar Sher and everybody will think twice even before thinking of touching his tail. I hope that Kondal Sahib will take it as a friendly banter. Archarya Kondal Sahib, the very existence of this forum is based on the following four strong pillars: (1). Shri Nirmal Bhardwaj ji (2). Acharya MS Kondal ji (3). Sh. Kubir Bains ji (3). Sh. PK Sharma ji We need all the pillars intact as strong as ever, because your power of knowledge and experience is the very lifeline of this group. Finally, I render my unconditional apology to Acharya Kondal Sahib in a hope that he will pardon ME if he felt offended in any way. Sincerely Yograj Prabhakar , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ ...> wrote: > > Kondal Sahib, i can understand " kuch to mazbooriyan rahin hongi, yon > hi koi bewafa nahin hota " kai gal tuhade kis ne par katte ne. Tussin > kyon nahin bolde. Chalo jo tuhada zameer kahe. Regards. Kulbir. > > On 7/30/09, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal@.. .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > > maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal@.. .> > > > > Cc: maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal@.. .> > > Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:14:31 PM > > Re: Aakhiri kundli - Another angle > > > > > > > > dated 30-7-2009 > > parindon ko manzil milengi yakeenan > > yeh faile hue unke par bolte hai > > > > wohi log rehte hai khaamosh aksar > > zamaane mein jinke hunar bolte hai...... > > > > charan pranaam to all respected senior members ,and hello to all my > > colleagues, > > > > first of all i will pay my respect and regards to sunil ji for such a > > deep and nice explanation on the subject.i feel really happy to see how > > the thinking is changing day by day to a positive side with respect to > > the teachings of lal kitab amongst the astrologers as well as amateurs. > > > > This was the prime goal of this group to make people > > aware of the original books on lal kitab and to ensure that readers > > apply its actual teachings and guidelines in their routine life and get > > themselves benefitted in all respects . > > > > this is a big achievement towards the realization of the goal for spreading > > the knowledge of lal kitab and its teachings. > > may god blesss all the humanity and of course the followers and preachers of > > lal kitab. > > once again i thanks sunil ji for his innovativeness and the sincerety for > > the lal kitab. > > > > tufaan ki kami nahi jeevan mein > > ladte hue safar karna hoga > > jo milenge zakhm safar-e-rahon mein > > unhe hi zindagi ka tajurba kehna hoga > > laakh zakhm khaane par bhi > > har zakhm naya hoga > > tajurba kitna hi kyu na ho > > har safar naya hoga > > > > keep it up. > > > > Regards, > > MS KONDAL > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar > > > > > Thursday, July 30, 2009 5:25:48 PM > > Re: Aakhiri kundli - Another angle > > > > > > Respected Sunil Ji, > > Accept my Salutations for interpreting and interlinking the Last page and > > First page. This type of study is expected from every lalkitab student like > > me.I have few apprehensions which i would like to mention below: > > > > // > > Kismat ne bahut kuch bura bhala dikhaya > > the answer for this line is in farmaan no.1 in 1942 transliteration page > > no.1 by my Respected Guruji Pt. Veni Madhav Goswamiji . Here it is a > > reference to the janam kundli of the person > > // > > > > Frankly speaking I could not made it out from Farman. No 1. Your further > > elaboration in these lines will oblige me. > > > > // > > Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya > > the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration very first > > line of the page > > Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai > > Here it is referred to the greh which are of greh phal in janam kundli > > // > > May you link up the Grah phal issue with Planetary position in Aakhiri > > Kundli. > > > > I feel that that there is some linking problem between the meaning of > > a) Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya > > and > > b) Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai > > in my opinion whilea) gives the feeling of a complaint against God,the b) in > > general is a advisory nature sentence. > > > > // > > c) Magar ab uska aakhiri farmaan kya hai > > the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration second line of > > the page > > d) sukh,daulat aur saans aakhiri, umar ka faisala hota hai > > // > > In my opinion the line c) gives impression that "let me see what He has kept > > for me as His Last Order. and again d) is a advisory nature line which > > tells us what This Lal Kitab is meant for the native. > > What is the astrology for. It is being used for seeking the position of > > Sukh, Daulat & Umar. Whole science of Lalkitab is teaching us to How to > > read these. In my view Aakhiri Kundli is the Akhri Farmaan of the Book. > > > > // > > Here it is referred to check the three basics things from the varshaphal in > > concern by making faisala kundli > > // > > > > in fact, I find myself unable to decode this from First Armaan rather in > > whole 1942 book that Aakhiri Kundli be referred to use at every varshphal > > interpretation. I wish some more in this regard from you as this will help > > all of us to study the subject further. > > > > // > > Maslan jo greh do dafa aa jaave veh apna faisla is nai kundli ke mutabik > > accha ya bura kismat ka faisla denge. > > // > > > > From your mail i can judge that you have done very comprehensive study of > > the book. if you remember please tell us whether these lines occurs > > elsewhere. in Lalkitab at place other than page 384. > > > > // > > Agar is tarteeb se na aave veh varshaphal ke mutaabik phal denge. > > I feel that if in any particular year we didn't find any greh which comes > > twice as per faisala kundli, only then we should follow the normal > > varshaphal kundli. > > // > > > > I have different opinion. I feel that this is against the rules. Even Pandit > > Ji did not follow this method in the example Kundlis. Has this a general > > rule then Pundit Ji must have mentioned in every book where topic of > > Varshphal is discussed. > > > > // > > Here I would like to draw kind attn. of Respected prabhakar ji , kulbir ji, > > umesh ji, punit ji and your goodself that this faisala kundli is incomplete > > as i feel in 7th house the sun and budh are missing . which are playing key > > part in this Faisala kundli. > > // > > > > You are right .As per the rules illustrated in the kundli, Su & Me should be > > there. Is this required or left intentionaly or by Publlisher, I cannot > > comment because in such type of situationthe clarification can only be given > > by the Author or the person equivalent to His rank. I am a kid as far as > > Lalkitab is concerned. > > . > > I have seen rarely such type of innovative mails in group discussions. > > Please Keep it up. Your contributions are urgently required in the group. > > > > Regards > > Nirmal > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:29 PM, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > >>Sunil ji, sun and mercury are not key planets as they don't repeat > >>>themselves. There is ample material on record where all possible > >>>angles have been explained. Now it is for the individual to choose > >>>what he thinks best. Regards. Kulbir. > >> > >> > >>>On 7/29/09, sunil.ailawadi15067 4 <sunil.ailawadi1506 7 4. in> > >>> wrote: > >>>> Respected Nirmalji, > >>>> > >>>> I am a scholar of revered lal kitab who is trying to learn A.B.C. of lal > >>>> kitab from everything and everyone in the best possible way. I don't > >>>> know > >>>> how much my attempt is in right direction but as per my little knowledge > >>>> which i gathered from the mails published of respected prabhakar ji, > >>>> kulbir > >>>> ji, bhatia ji, kondal ji, lalkitabee ji, umeshji, punitji and many other > >>>> respected and responsible personalities like u to this group. > >>>> I would like to give my point of view for aakhiri kundli > >>>> > >>>> If u look for the very first line which is > >>>> > >>>> Yaar ki yari se talluk hai > >>>> uske aib se nahi > >>>> > >>>> here it is referred to masnoi greh as we are more concerned about the > >>>> good > >>>> part of any greh rather then its bad part.after reading my opinion > >>>> kindly go > >>>> through these two lines once again. > >>>> > >>>> Kismat ne bahut kuch bura bhala dikhaya > >>>> the answer for this line is in farmaan no.1 in 1942 transliteration page > >>>> no.1 by my Respected Guruji Pt. Veni Madhav Goswamiji . Here it is a > >>>> reference to the janam kundli of the person > >>>> > >>>> Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya > >>>> the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration very first > >>>> line of the page > >>>> Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai > >>>> Here it is referred to the greh which are of greh phal in janam kundli > >>>> > >>>> Magar ab uska aakhiri farmaan kya hai > >>>> the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration second > >>>> line of > >>>> the page > >>>> sukh,daulat aur saans aakhiri, umar ka faisala hota hai > >>>> Here it is referred to check the three basics things from the varshaphal > >>>> in > >>>> concern by making faisala kundli > >>>> > >>>> Aakhiri kundli > >>>> Pehle gharon mein varsh phal ke greh baad ke gharon mein janam kundli ke > >>>> greh aur uss kundli ke number 10 mein dhokhe ke greh likhenge natija > >>>> neez > >>>> faisla hoga.Maslan jo greh do dafa aa jaave veh apna faisla is nai > >>>> kundli ke > >>>> mutabik accha ya bura kismat ka faisla denge. > >>>> i feel this is the way of making final kundli for every year's > >>>> varshaphal > >>>> other than what we study as normal varshaphal. it is very important to > >>>> read > >>>> about Dhoke ka Grah in addition to varsh phal kundli.A table is given in > >>>> the > >>>> book on page no.72 of 1942 transliteration to find out dhoke ka grah in > >>>> every year of life based on janam kundli. From this final kundli we can > >>>> check out for the greh(which comes twice) who are going to play a lead > >>>> role > >>>> in the person's kundli and are definately going to give there results > >>>> whether good or bad as far as the kismat for that person is concerned > >>>> for > >>>> that certain year's varshaphal > >>>> > >>>> Agar is tarteeb se na aave veh varshaphal ke mutaabik phal denge. > >>>> I feel that if in any particular year we didn't find any greh which > >>>> comes > >>>> twice as per faisala kundli, only then we should follow the normal > >>>> varshaphal kundli. > >>>> > >>>> Here I would like to draw kind attn. of Respected prabhakar ji , kulbir > >>>> ji, > >>>> umesh ji, punit ji and your goodself that this faisala kundli is > >>>> incomplete > >>>> as i feel in 7th house the sun and budh are missing . which are playing > >>>> key > >>>> part in this Faisala kundli. > >>>> > >>>> Being a student with very little knowledge . I request all the senior > >>>> respected members to forgive me for my mistakes as I am still in the > >>>> learning process of revered lal kitab and I humbly request all the > >>>> respected > >>>> members mentioned above to correct me for the 7th house sun and budh in > >>>> faisala kundli. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Regards > >>>> Sunil Ailawadi > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> > >>-- > >>>Sent from my mobile device > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Respected Nirmal ji,Saadar Pranam,First it is my humble request that please do not use Respected with my name as I don't even stand among you stalwarts learned person's as far as my studies are concerned i am just a disciple in the quest for learning. You all are my elder brother's so I would love to be called by my name. Sir I have tried from my level best to satisfy your apprehensions but as all of you are the better judge of revered lal kitab so I cannot challenge the authorities. In the group I received a mail from Respected Kulbir ji where he has given me my best interpretations of the things" that it is up to the individual to choose what he thinks is best" God bless him. Sir I apologize if I lack somewhere in any respect to clarify my point of view before coming to your queries.// Kismat ne bahut kuch bura bhala dikhayathe answer for this line is in farmaan no.1 in 1942 transliteration page no.1 by my Respected Guruji Pt. Veni Madhav Goswamiji . Here it is a reference to the janam kundli of the person // Frankly speaking I could not made it out from Farman. No 1. Your further elaboration in these lines will oblige me. Respected sir the first two lines of farmaan no.1 of 1942 transliteration is self explanatory but still if required one can check farmaan no.3 for elaboration.And to furthermore if required one can read Farmaan no1. and Farmaan no.6. of 1939 and Armaan no.1 of 1940's transliteration.(in armaan no.1 on page no.2 I feel all the doubts gets more cleared.).In my opinion it is clearly mentioned by the person that ,whatever was written or predestined from the day one in his fate.(whether it is good or bad) so is the person going through the bad and the smooth phases of his life.I feel that to see any person's life at a glance (the good and the bad phases) we have to take a look at the horoscope of that person this was the reason I linked up with it.//Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration very first line of the pageKhud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota haiHere it is referred to the greh which are of greh phal in janam kundli //May you link up the Grah phal issue with Planetary position in Aakhiri Kundli.Respected Sir, I am unable to write down all the assessments made but I would like to request you to watch for the planets which are of grehphal in janam kundli on page 384, shukur in 8th house and then have a look at faisla kundli with sun and budh in 7th house.I feel that that there is some linking problem between the meaning of a) Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khayaand b) Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota haiin my opinion while a) gives the feeling of a complaint against God, Here I feel that its not the complaint but definitely a frustration towards god. the b) in general is a advisory nature sentence. Respected Sir definitely the sentence is in advisory nature and so is revered lal kitab. But here what I understand as the line says Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave (means where a person is not in a position to help himself), hukum vidhaata hota hai.(that's the order of vidhaata) Here once again I'll request you about grehphal. That's the reason why vidhaata has given hukum so that no body would be able to change god's plan.//c) Magar ab uska aakhiri farmaan kya haithe answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration second line of the paged) sukh,daulat aur saans aakhiri, umar ka faisala hota hai// In my opinion the line c) gives impression that "let me see what He has kept for me as His Last Order. Here I would like to club up the complete sentence from kismat to your point a) ,b) and c).To conclude the above sentence i would read it like that what ever was written in person's fate whether it was good or bad is showing its effects and the vidhaata is not giving any chance for mercy from the planets which he is unable to change for his better prospects. But he is still looking for the last commandment for him that may be in coming year (varshphal) will ensure his betterment or going worst. and again d) is a advisory nature line which tells us what This Lal Kitab is meant for the native. What is the astrology for. It is being used for seeking the position of Sukh, Daulat & Umar. Whole science of Lalkitab is teaching us to How to read these. In my view Aakhiri Kundli is the Akhri Farmaan of the Book. Respected Sir I would like to request you that this is not the aakhiri farmaan but definitely a milestone (good or may be bad) in the life of this person.Respected Sir I feel this person is getting hukum of vidhaata for his 44th years varshaphal with dhokey ka greh(shukur) playing a major role with one of his masnooi greh(ketu) which are going to give his kismat ka faisla. That's the reason I co-related sukh daulat aur saans akhiri, umar ka faisala hota hai./Here it is referred to check the three basics things from the varshaphal in concern by making faisala kundli//in fact, I find myself unable to decode this from First Armaan rather in whole 1942 book that Aakhiri Kundli be referred to use at every varshphal interpretation. I wish some more in this regard from you as this will help all of us to study the subject further. Respected Sir I request you to try with some other varshaphal of the same kundli may be that will clear my point of view.//Maslan jo greh do dafa aa jaave veh apna faisla is nai kundli ke mutabik accha ya bura kismat ka faisla denge.//From your mail i can judge that you have done very comprehensive study of the book. if you remember please tell us whether these lines occurs elsewhere. in Lalkitab at place other than page 384. Respected Sir, I would like to request you to go through page no.72 & 73.The line above starting from MASLAN and the first line below ending with PHAL DENGE. are the lines which I have taken from the original page no.384. I wrote it just to ensure that I won't miss a single line from the original page and this i did for the every single line of page no.384.//Agar is tarteeb se na aave veh varshaphal ke mutaabik phal denge.I feel that if in any particular year we didn't find any greh which comes twice as per faisala kundli, only then we should follow the normal varshaphal kundli. //I have different opinion. I feel that this is against the rules. Even Pandit Ji did not follow this method in the example Kundlis. Has this a general rule then Pundit Ji must have mentioned in every book where topic of Varshphal is discussed. Respected Sir I would request you to make 4-5 kundli of the same birthchart while selecting varshaphal randomly or 5 consecqutive years and see the faisala kundli for every year. Hope I will be able to convince you. I hope that I had tried my level best to answer your queries and once again I apologize if knowingly or unknowingly did any mistakes in any manner.RegardsSunil Ailawadi. , maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal wrote:>> dated 31.7.2009> Respcted Yograj ji,> Charan pranaam and first of all thank you very much for your kind and courage building words.I have all the respect and regards for you in my life and that will increase more from today onwards.> I am your younger brother and your disciple as I too had learned many good things from you if anybody thinks he can part us by words or by any conscipiracy ,then those forces are at mistake.> > Sir you are my elder and i should feel sorry if i had hurt you at any point and you have all the rights to say me any thing as I know you are my well wisher and what ever you will do, it is accepted to me in any form whether it is a reward or punishment.> > DOST AUR GURU TO WOH HI HAI JO BARISH MEIN BHEEGAE HUE AAP KE CHEHRE KO BHI DEKH KAR BAARISH AUR AANSU MEIN FARAK JAAN LE.> > Sir this is your goodness whatever you had written for me and for my friends.you should not appologise for anything as i know you can't do anything wrong for me and any other lal kitab learner.> Today our group is picking up nicely and lot of people and divisive forces are working together to part us and I warn all those people and forces that we are very much aware of each and every action of opposition.> > Though I write very few mails but I regularly monitor group activities and had never reacted directly to anybody and never made any personal remarks.Some people might have lot of time to find faults of others but I had never done this job and would never like to do so.jis ka kaam usiko saajae.> our group moto is to unite people rather than divide.> > regards,> ms kondal> > > > > > ________________________________> Yograj Prabhakar yr_prabhakar > Friday, July 31, 2009 12:19:05 PM> Re: Aakhiri kundli - Another angle> > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > No one can even dare to think about clipping the wings of our most respected colleague Acharya Maneshwar Singh Kondal ji He is not any ordinary bird, rather he is a Babbar Sher and everybody will think twice even before thinking of touching his tail. I hope that Kondal Sahib will take it as a friendly banter.> > Archarya Kondal Sahib, the very existence of this forum is based on the following four strong pillars:> > (1). Shri Nirmal Bhardwaj ji> (2). Acharya MS Kondal ji> (3). Sh. Kubir Bains ji> (3). Sh. PK Sharma ji> > We need all the pillars intact as strong as ever, because your power of knowledge and experience is the very lifeline of this group. Finally, I render my unconditional apology to Acharya Kondal Sahib in a hope that he will pardon ME if he felt offended in any way. > > Sincerely> Yograj Prabhakar> > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ ...> wrote:> >> > Kondal Sahib, i can understand " kuch to mazbooriyan rahin hongi, yon> > hi koi bewafa nahin hota " kai gal tuhade kis ne par katte ne. Tussin> > kyon nahin bolde. Chalo jo tuhada zameer kahe. Regards. Kulbir.> > > > On 7/30/09, maneshwar singh kondal mskondal@ .> wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ----- Forwarded Message ----> > > maneshwar singh kondal mskondal@ .>> > > > > > Cc: maneshwar singh kondal mskondal@ .>> > > Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:14:31 PM> > > Re: Aakhiri kundli - Another angle> > >> > >> > >> > > dated 30-7-2009> > > parindon ko manzil milengi yakeenan> > > yeh faile hue unke par bolte hai> > >> > > wohi log rehte hai khaamosh aksar> > > zamaane mein jinke hunar bolte hai......> > >> > > charan pranaam to all respected senior members ,and hello to all my> > > colleagues,> > >> > > first of all i will pay my respect and regards to sunil ji for such a> > > deep and nice explanation on the subject.i feel really happy to see how> > > the thinking is changing day by day to a positive side with respect to> > > the teachings of lal kitab amongst the astrologers as well as amateurs.> > >> > > This was the prime goal of this group to make people> > > aware of the original books on lal kitab and to ensure that readers> > > apply its actual teachings and guidelines in their routine life and get> > > themselves benefitted in all respects .> > >> > > this is a big achievement towards the realization of the goal for spreading> > > the knowledge of lal kitab and its teachings.> > > may god blesss all the humanity and of course the followers and preachers of> > > lal kitab.> > > once again i thanks sunil ji for his innovativeness and the sincerety for> > > the lal kitab.> > >> > > tufaan ki kami nahi jeevan mein> > > ladte hue safar karna hoga> > > jo milenge zakhm safar-e-rahon mein> > > unhe hi zindagi ka tajurba kehna hoga> > > laakh zakhm khaane par bhi> > > har zakhm naya hoga> > > tajurba kitna hi kyu na ho> > > har safar naya hoga> > >> > > keep it up.> > >> > > Regards,> > > MS KONDAL> > >> > >> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj nirbhar@ >> > > > > > Thursday, July 30, 2009 5:25:48 PM> > > Re: Aakhiri kundli - Another angle> > >> > >> > > Respected Sunil Ji,> > > Accept my Salutations for interpreting and interlinking the Last page and> > > First page. This type of study is expected from every lalkitab student like> > > me.I have few apprehensions which i would like to mention below:> > >> > > //> > > Kismat ne bahut kuch bura bhala dikhaya> > > the answer for this line is in farmaan no.1 in 1942 transliteration page> > > no.1 by my Respected Guruji Pt. Veni Madhav Goswamiji . Here it is a> > > reference to the janam kundli of the person> > > //> > >> > > Frankly speaking I could not made it out from Farman. No 1. Your further> > > elaboration in these lines will oblige me.> > >> > > //> > > Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya> > > the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration very first> > > line of the page> > > Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai> > > Here it is referred to the greh which are of greh phal in janam kundli> > > //> > > May you link up the Grah phal issue with Planetary position in Aakhiri> > > Kundli.> > >> > > I feel that that there is some linking problem between the meaning of> > > a) Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya> > > and> > > b) Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai> > > in my opinion whilea) gives the feeling of a complaint against God,the b) in> > > general is a advisory nature sentence.> > >> > > //> > > c) Magar ab uska aakhiri farmaan kya hai> > > the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration second line of> > > the page> > > d) sukh,daulat aur saans aakhiri, umar ka faisala hota hai> > > //> > > In my opinion the line c) gives impression that "let me see what He has kept> > > for me as His Last Order. and again d) is a advisory nature line which> > > tells us what This Lal Kitab is meant for the native.> > > What is the astrology for. It is being used for seeking the position of> > > Sukh, Daulat & Umar. Whole science of Lalkitab is teaching us to How to> > > read these. In my view Aakhiri Kundli is the Akhri Farmaan of the Book.> > >> > > //> > > Here it is referred to check the three basics things from the varshaphal in> > > concern by making faisala kundli> > > //> > >> > > in fact, I find myself unable to decode this from First Armaan rather in> > > whole 1942 book that Aakhiri Kundli be referred to use at every varshphal> > > interpretation. I wish some more in this regard from you as this will help> > > all of us to study the subject further.> > >> > > //> > > Maslan jo greh do dafa aa jaave veh apna faisla is nai kundli ke mutabik> > > accha ya bura kismat ka faisla denge.> > > //> > >> > > From your mail i can judge that you have done very comprehensive study of> > > the book. if you remember please tell us whether these lines occurs> > > elsewhere. in Lalkitab at place other than page 384.> > >> > > //> > > Agar is tarteeb se na aave veh varshaphal ke mutaabik phal denge.> > > I feel that if in any particular year we didn't find any greh which comes> > > twice as per faisala kundli, only then we should follow the normal> > > varshaphal kundli.> > > //> > >> > > I have different opinion. I feel that this is against the rules. Even Pandit> > > Ji did not follow this method in the example Kundlis. Has this a general> > > rule then Pundit Ji must have mentioned in every book where topic of> > > Varshphal is discussed.> > >> > > //> > > Here I would like to draw kind attn. of Respected prabhakar ji , kulbir ji,> > > umesh ji, punit ji and your goodself that this faisala kundli is incomplete> > > as i feel in 7th house the sun and budh are missing . which are playing key> > > part in this Faisala kundli.> > > //> > >> > > You are right .As per the rules illustrated in the kundli, Su & Me should be> > > there. Is this required or left intentionaly or by Publlisher, I cannot> > > comment because in such type of situationthe clarification can only be given> > > by the Author or the person equivalent to His rank. I am a kid as far as> > > Lalkitab is concerned.> > > .> > > I have seen rarely such type of innovative mails in group discussions.> > > Please Keep it up. Your contributions are urgently required in the group.> > >> > > Regards> > > Nirmal> > >> > >> > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:29 PM, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>> > > wrote:> > >> > > >> > >>Sunil ji, sun and mercury are not key planets as they don't repeat> > >>>themselves. There is ample material on record where all possible> > >>>angles have been explained. Now it is for the individual to choose> > >>>what he thinks best. Regards. Kulbir.> > >>> > >>> > >>>On 7/29/09, sunil.ailawadi15067 4 <sunil.ailawadi1506 7 4. in>> > >>> wrote:> > >>>> Respected Nirmalji,> > >>>>> > >>>> I am a scholar of revered lal kitab who is trying to learn A.B.C. of lal> > >>>> kitab from everything and everyone in the best possible way. I don't> > >>>> know> > >>>> how much my attempt is in right direction but as per my little knowledge> > >>>> which i gathered from the mails published of respected prabhakar ji,> > >>>> kulbir> > >>>> ji, bhatia ji, kondal ji, lalkitabee ji, umeshji, punitji and many other> > >>>> respected and responsible personalities like u to this group.> > >>>> I would like to give my point of view for aakhiri kundli> > >>>>> > >>>> If u look for the very first line which is> > >>>>> > >>>> Yaar ki yari se talluk hai> > >>>> uske aib se nahi> > >>>>> > >>>> here it is referred to masnoi greh as we are more concerned about the> > >>>> good> > >>>> part of any greh rather then its bad part.after reading my opinion> > >>>> kindly go> > >>>> through these two lines once again.> > >>>>> > >>>> Kismat ne bahut kuch bura bhala dikhaya> > >>>> the answer for this line is in farmaan no.1 in 1942 transliteration page> > >>>> no.1 by my Respected Guruji Pt. Veni Madhav Goswamiji . Here it is a> > >>>> reference to the janam kundli of the person> > >>>>> > >>>> Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya> > >>>> the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration very first> > >>>> line of the page> > >>>> Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai> > >>>> Here it is referred to the greh which are of greh phal in janam kundli> > >>>>> > >>>> Magar ab uska aakhiri farmaan kya hai> > >>>> the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration second> > >>>> line of> > >>>> the page> > >>>> sukh,daulat aur saans aakhiri, umar ka faisala hota hai> > >>>> Here it is referred to check the three basics things from the varshaphal> > >>>> in> > >>>> concern by making faisala kundli> > >>>>> > >>>> Aakhiri kundli> > >>>> Pehle gharon mein varsh phal ke greh baad ke gharon mein janam kundli ke> > >>>> greh aur uss kundli ke number 10 mein dhokhe ke greh likhenge natija> > >>>> neez> > >>>> faisla hoga.Maslan jo greh do dafa aa jaave veh apna faisla is nai> > >>>> kundli ke> > >>>> mutabik accha ya bura kismat ka faisla denge.> > >>>> i feel this is the way of making final kundli for every year's> > >>>> varshaphal> > >>>> other than what we study as normal varshaphal. it is very important to> > >>>> read> > >>>> about Dhoke ka Grah in addition to varsh phal kundli.A table is given in> > >>>> the> > >>>> book on page no.72 of 1942 transliteration to find out dhoke ka grah in> > >>>> every year of life based on janam kundli. From this final kundli we can> > >>>> check out for the greh(which comes twice) who are going to play a lead> > >>>> role> > >>>> in the person's kundli and are definately going to give there results> > >>>> whether good or bad as far as the kismat for that person is concerned> > >>>> for> > >>>> that certain year's varshaphal> > >>>>> > >>>> Agar is tarteeb se na aave veh varshaphal ke mutaabik phal denge.> > >>>> I feel that if in any particular year we didn't find any greh which> > >>>> comes> > >>>> twice as per faisala kundli, only then we should follow the normal> > >>>> varshaphal kundli.> > >>>>> > >>>> Here I would like to draw kind attn. of Respected prabhakar ji , kulbir> > >>>> ji,> > >>>> umesh ji, punit ji and your goodself that this faisala kundli is> > >>>> incomplete> > >>>> as i feel in 7th house the sun and budh are missing . which are playing> > >>>> key> > >>>> part in this Faisala kundli.> > >>>>> > >>>> Being a student with very little knowledge . I request all the senior> > >>>> respected members to forgive me for my mistakes as I am still in the> > >>>> learning process of revered lal kitab and I humbly request all the> > >>>> respected> > >>>> members mentioned above to correct me for the 7th house sun and budh in> > >>>> faisala kundli.> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> Regards> > >>>> Sunil Ailawadi> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>--> > >>>Sent from my mobile device> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > -- > > Sent from my mobile device> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Respected Umesh ji,Saadar Pranam,I am extremely sorry for the mistake , actually I should have written down page no.72-73. But my interpretations was that when a person will start from page no.72 will also look at the next page as the illustrations of page no.72 are also given on the next page.RegardsSunil Ailawadi , "Umesh Sharma" <mudit982001 wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji,> Are you not believed in the table "Aam Umar Main Dhokey Ka Grah" which are given on page no. 73? If not, why?> Thanks & Regards> Umesh Sharma> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Respected Sunil Ji, Thanks for removing the doubts. Your interpretation method is termed as good.Keep it up God Bless You regards Nirma; , " sunil.ailawadi150674 " <sunil.ailawadi150674 wrote: > > Respected Nirmal ji, > > Saadar Pranam, > > First it is my humble request that please do not use Respected with my > name as I don't even stand among you stalwarts learned person's as far > as my studies are concerned i am just a disciple in the quest for > learning. You all are my elder brother's so I would love to be called by > my name. Sir I have tried from my level best to satisfy your > apprehensions but as all of you are the better judge of revered lal > kitab so I cannot challenge the authorities. In the group I received a > mail from Respected Kulbir ji where he has given me my best > interpretations of the things " that it is up to the individual to choose > what he thinks is best " God bless him. Sir I apologize if I lack > somewhere in any respect to clarify my point of view before coming to > your queries. > > // > Kismat ne bahut kuch bura bhala dikhaya > the answer for this line is in farmaan no.1 in 1942 transliteration page > no.1 by my Respected Guruji Pt. Veni Madhav Goswamiji . Here it is a > reference to the janam kundli of the person > // > > Frankly speaking I could not made it out from Farman. No 1. Your further > elaboration in these lines will oblige me. > > Respected sir the first two lines of farmaan no.1 of 1942 > transliteration is self explanatory but still if required one can check > farmaan no.3 for elaboration. > And to furthermore if required one can read Farmaan no1. and Farmaan > no.6. of 1939 and Armaan no.1 of 1940's transliteration.(in armaan no.1 > on page no.2 I feel all the doubts gets more cleared.). > > In my opinion it is clearly mentioned by the person that ,whatever was > written or predestined from the day one in his fate.(whether it is good > or bad) so is the person going through the bad and the smooth phases of > his life. > I feel that to see any person's life at a glance (the good and the bad > phases) we have to take a look at the horoscope of that person this was > the reason I linked up with it. > > // > Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya > the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration very first > line of the page > Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai > Here it is referred to the greh which are of greh phal in janam kundli > > // > May you link up the Grah phal issue with Planetary position in Aakhiri > Kundli. > > Respected Sir, I am unable to write down all the assessments made but I > would like to request you to watch for the planets which are of grehphal > in janam kundli on page 384, shukur in 8th house and then have a look at > faisla kundli with sun and budh in 7th house. > > I feel that that there is some linking problem between the meaning of > > > a) Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya > and > b) Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai > > in my opinion while a) gives the feeling of a complaint against God, > > Here I feel that its not the complaint but definitely a frustration > towards god. > > the b) in general is a advisory nature sentence. > > Respected Sir definitely the sentence is in advisory nature and so is > revered lal kitab. But here what I understand as the line says Khud > insaan ki paesh na jaave (means where a person is not in a position to > help himself), hukum vidhaata hota hai.(that's the order of vidhaata) > > Here once again I'll request you about grehphal. That's the reason why > vidhaata has given hukum so that no body would be able to change god's > plan. > > // > c) Magar ab uska aakhiri farmaan kya hai > the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration second > line of the page > d) sukh,daulat aur saans aakhiri, umar ka faisala hota hai > > // > In my opinion the line c) gives impression that " let me see what He has > kept for me as His Last Order. > > Here I would like to club up the complete sentence from kismat to your > point a) ,b) and c). > To conclude the above sentence i would read it like that what ever was > written in person's fate whether it was good or bad is showing its > effects and the vidhaata is not giving any chance for mercy from the > planets which he is unable to change for his better prospects. But he is > still looking for the last commandment for him that may be in coming > year (varshphal) will ensure his betterment or going worst. > > and again d) is a advisory nature line which tells us what This Lal > Kitab is meant for the native. > What is the astrology for. It is being used for seeking the position of > Sukh, Daulat & Umar. Whole science of Lalkitab is teaching us to How to > read these. In my view Aakhiri Kundli is the Akhri Farmaan of the Book. > > Respected Sir I would like to request you that this is not the aakhiri > farmaan but definitely a milestone (good or may be bad) in the life of > this person. > Respected Sir I feel this person is getting hukum of vidhaata for his > 44th years varshaphal with dhokey ka greh(shukur) playing a major role > with one of his masnooi greh(ketu) which are going to give his kismat ka > faisla. That's the reason I co-related sukh daulat aur saans akhiri, > umar ka faisala hota hai. > > / > Here it is referred to check the three basics things from the varshaphal > in concern by making faisala kundli > > // > in fact, I find myself unable to decode this from First Armaan rather in > whole 1942 book that Aakhiri Kundli be referred to use at every > varshphal interpretation. I wish some more in this regard from you as > this will help all of us to study the subject further. > > Respected Sir I request you to try with some other varshaphal of the > same kundli may be that will clear my point of view. > > // > Maslan jo greh do dafa aa jaave veh apna faisla is nai kundli ke mutabik > accha ya bura kismat ka faisla denge. > // > > From your mail i can judge that you have done very comprehensive study > of the book. if you remember please tell us whether these lines occurs > elsewhere. in Lalkitab at place other than page 384. > > Respected Sir, I would like to request you to go through page no.72 & > 73. > The line above starting from MASLAN and the first line below ending > with PHAL DENGE. are the lines which I have taken from the original page > no.384. I wrote it just to ensure that I won't miss a single line from > the original page and this i did for the every single line of page > no.384. > > // > Agar is tarteeb se na aave veh varshaphal ke mutaabik phal denge. > I feel that if in any particular year we didn't find any greh which > comes twice as per faisala kundli, only then we should follow the normal > varshaphal kundli. > > // > > I have different opinion. I feel that this is against the rules. Even > Pandit Ji did not follow this method in the example Kundlis. Has this a > general rule then Pundit Ji must have mentioned in every book where > topic of Varshphal is discussed. > > Respected Sir I would request you to make 4-5 kundli of the same > birthchart while selecting varshaphal randomly or 5 consecqutive years > and see the faisala kundli for every year. Hope I will be able to > convince you. > > I hope that I had tried my level best to answer your queries and once > again I apologize if knowingly or unknowingly did any mistakes in any > manner. > > Regards > > Sunil Ailawadi. > > > , maneshwar singh kondal > <mskondal@> wrote: > > > > dated 31.7.2009 > > Respcted Yograj ji, > > Charan pranaam and first of all thank > you very much for your kind and courage building words.I have all the > respect and regards for you in my life and that will increase more from > today onwards. > > I am your younger brother and your disciple as I too had learned many > good things from you if anybody thinks he can part us by words or by any > conscipiracy ,then those forces are at mistake. > > > > Sir you are my elder and i should feel sorry if i had hurt you at any > point and you have all the rights to say me any thing as I know you are > my well wisher and what ever you will do, it is accepted to me in any > form whether it is a reward or punishment. > > > > DOST AUR GURU TO WOH HI HAI JO BARISH MEIN BHEEGAE HUE AAP KE CHEHRE > KO BHI DEKH KAR BAARISH AUR AANSU MEIN FARAK JAAN LE. > > > > Sir this is your goodness whatever you had written for me and for > my friends.you should not appologise for anything as i know you can't do > anything wrong for me and any other lal kitab learner. > > Today our group is picking up nicely and lot of people > and divisive forces are working together to part us and I warn all those > people and forces that we are very much aware of each and every action > of opposition. > > > > Though I write very few mails but I regularly > monitor group activities and had never reacted directly to anybody and > never made any personal remarks.Some people might have lot of time to > find faults of others but I had never done this job and would never like > to do so.jis ka kaam usiko saajae. > > our group moto is to unite people rather than divide. > > > > regards, > > ms kondal > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Yograj Prabhakar yr_prabhakar@ > > > > Friday, July 31, 2009 12:19:05 PM > > Re: Aakhiri kundli - Another angle > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > > No one can even dare to think about clipping the wings of our most > respected colleague Acharya Maneshwar Singh Kondal ji He is not any > ordinary bird, rather he is a Babbar Sher and everybody will think > twice even before thinking of touching his tail. I hope that Kondal > Sahib will take it as a friendly banter. > > > > Archarya Kondal Sahib, the very existence of this forum is based on > the following four strong pillars: > > > > (1). Shri Nirmal Bhardwaj ji > > (2). Acharya MS Kondal ji > > (3). Sh. Kubir Bains ji > > (3). Sh. PK Sharma ji > > > > We need all the pillars intact as strong as ever, because your power > of knowledge and experience is the very lifeline of this group. Finally, > I render my unconditional apology to Acharya Kondal Sahib in a hope that > he will pardon ME if he felt offended in any way. > > > > Sincerely > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ > ...> wrote: > > > > > > Kondal Sahib, i can understand " kuch to mazbooriyan rahin hongi, > yon > > > hi koi bewafa nahin hota " kai gal tuhade kis ne par katte ne. > Tussin > > > kyon nahin bolde. Chalo jo tuhada zameer kahe. Regards. Kulbir. > > > > > > On 7/30/09, maneshwar singh kondal mskondal@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > > > > maneshwar singh kondal mskondal@ .> > > > > > > > > Cc: maneshwar singh kondal mskondal@ .> > > > > Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:14:31 PM > > > > Re: Aakhiri kundli - Another angle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dated 30-7-2009 > > > > parindon ko manzil milengi yakeenan > > > > yeh faile hue unke par bolte hai > > > > > > > > wohi log rehte hai khaamosh aksar > > > > zamaane mein jinke hunar bolte hai...... > > > > > > > > charan pranaam to all respected senior members ,and hello to all > my > > > > colleagues, > > > > > > > > first of all i will pay my respect and regards to sunil ji for > such a > > > > deep and nice explanation on the subject.i feel really happy to > see how > > > > the thinking is changing day by day to a positive side with > respect to > > > > the teachings of lal kitab amongst the astrologers as well as > amateurs. > > > > > > > > This was the prime goal of this group to make people > > > > aware of the original books on lal kitab and to ensure that > readers > > > > apply its actual teachings and guidelines in their routine life > and get > > > > themselves benefitted in all respects . > > > > > > > > this is a big achievement towards the realization of the goal for > spreading > > > > the knowledge of lal kitab and its teachings. > > > > may god blesss all the humanity and of course the followers and > preachers of > > > > lal kitab. > > > > once again i thanks sunil ji for his innovativeness and the > sincerety for > > > > the lal kitab. > > > > > > > > tufaan ki kami nahi jeevan mein > > > > ladte hue safar karna hoga > > > > jo milenge zakhm safar-e-rahon mein > > > > unhe hi zindagi ka tajurba kehna hoga > > > > laakh zakhm khaane par bhi > > > > har zakhm naya hoga > > > > tajurba kitna hi kyu na ho > > > > har safar naya hoga > > > > > > > > keep it up. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > MS KONDAL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj nirbhar@ > > > > > > > > > Thursday, July 30, 2009 5:25:48 PM > > > > Re: Aakhiri kundli - Another angle > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sunil Ji, > > > > Accept my Salutations for interpreting and interlinking the Last > page and > > > > First page. This type of study is expected from every lalkitab > student like > > > > me.I have few apprehensions which i would like to mention below: > > > > > > > > // > > > > Kismat ne bahut kuch bura bhala dikhaya > > > > the answer for this line is in farmaan no.1 in 1942 > transliteration page > > > > no.1 by my Respected Guruji Pt. Veni Madhav Goswamiji . Here it > is a > > > > reference to the janam kundli of the person > > > > // > > > > > > > > Frankly speaking I could not made it out from Farman. No 1. Your > further > > > > elaboration in these lines will oblige me. > > > > > > > > // > > > > Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya > > > > the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration very > first > > > > line of the page > > > > Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai > > > > Here it is referred to the greh which are of greh phal in janam > kundli > > > > // > > > > May you link up the Grah phal issue with Planetary position in > Aakhiri > > > > Kundli. > > > > > > > > I feel that that there is some linking problem between the meaning > of > > > > a) Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya > > > > and > > > > b) Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai > > > > in my opinion whilea) gives the feeling of a complaint against > God,the b) in > > > > general is a advisory nature sentence. > > > > > > > > // > > > > c) Magar ab uska aakhiri farmaan kya hai > > > > the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration > second line of > > > > the page > > > > d) sukh,daulat aur saans aakhiri, umar ka faisala hota hai > > > > // > > > > In my opinion the line c) gives impression that " let me see what > He has kept > > > > for me as His Last Order. and again d) is a advisory nature line > which > > > > tells us what This Lal Kitab is meant for the native. > > > > What is the astrology for. It is being used for seeking the > position of > > > > Sukh, Daulat & Umar. Whole science of Lalkitab is teaching us to > How to > > > > read these. In my view Aakhiri Kundli is the Akhri Farmaan of the > Book. > > > > > > > > // > > > > Here it is referred to check the three basics things from the > varshaphal in > > > > concern by making faisala kundli > > > > // > > > > > > > > in fact, I find myself unable to decode this from First Armaan > rather in > > > > whole 1942 book that Aakhiri Kundli be referred to use at every > varshphal > > > > interpretation. I wish some more in this regard from you as this > will help > > > > all of us to study the subject further. > > > > > > > > // > > > > Maslan jo greh do dafa aa jaave veh apna faisla is nai kundli ke > mutabik > > > > accha ya bura kismat ka faisla denge. > > > > // > > > > > > > > From your mail i can judge that you have done very comprehensive > study of > > > > the book. if you remember please tell us whether these lines > occurs > > > > elsewhere. in Lalkitab at place other than page 384. > > > > > > > > // > > > > Agar is tarteeb se na aave veh varshaphal ke mutaabik phal denge. > > > > I feel that if in any particular year we didn't find any greh > which comes > > > > twice as per faisala kundli, only then we should follow the normal > > > > varshaphal kundli. > > > > // > > > > > > > > I have different opinion. I feel that this is against the rules. > Even Pandit > > > > Ji did not follow this method in the example Kundlis. Has this a > general > > > > rule then Pundit Ji must have mentioned in every book where topic > of > > > > Varshphal is discussed. > > > > > > > > // > > > > Here I would like to draw kind attn. of Respected prabhakar ji , > kulbir ji, > > > > umesh ji, punit ji and your goodself that this faisala kundli is > incomplete > > > > as i feel in 7th house the sun and budh are missing . which are > playing key > > > > part in this Faisala kundli. > > > > // > > > > > > > > You are right .As per the rules illustrated in the kundli, Su & Me > should be > > > > there. Is this required or left intentionaly or by Publlisher, I > cannot > > > > comment because in such type of situationthe clarification can > only be given > > > > by the Author or the person equivalent to His rank. I am a kid as > far as > > > > Lalkitab is concerned. > > > > . > > > > I have seen rarely such type of innovative mails in group > discussions. > > > > Please Keep it up. Your contributions are urgently required in the > group. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Nirmal > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:29 PM, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ > gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Sunil ji, sun and mercury are not key planets as they don't repeat > > > >>>themselves. There is ample material on record where all possible > > > >>>angles have been explained. Now it is for the individual to > choose > > > >>>what he thinks best. Regards. Kulbir. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>On 7/29/09, sunil.ailawadi15067 4 <sunil.ailawadi1506 7 > 4. in> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>>> Respected Nirmalji, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I am a scholar of revered lal kitab who is trying to learn > A.B.C. of lal > > > >>>> kitab from everything and everyone in the best possible way. I > don't > > > >>>> know > > > >>>> how much my attempt is in right direction but as per my little > knowledge > > > >>>> which i gathered from the mails published of respected > prabhakar ji, > > > >>>> kulbir > > > >>>> ji, bhatia ji, kondal ji, lalkitabee ji, umeshji, punitji and > many other > > > >>>> respected and responsible personalities like u to this group. > > > >>>> I would like to give my point of view for aakhiri kundli > > > >>>> > > > >>>> If u look for the very first line which is > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Yaar ki yari se talluk hai > > > >>>> uske aib se nahi > > > >>>> > > > >>>> here it is referred to masnoi greh as we are more concerned > about the > > > >>>> good > > > >>>> part of any greh rather then its bad part.after reading my > opinion > > > >>>> kindly go > > > >>>> through these two lines once again. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Kismat ne bahut kuch bura bhala dikhaya > > > >>>> the answer for this line is in farmaan no.1 in 1942 > transliteration page > > > >>>> no.1 by my Respected Guruji Pt. Veni Madhav Goswamiji . Here > it is a > > > >>>> reference to the janam kundli of the person > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya > > > >>>> the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration > very first > > > >>>> line of the page > > > >>>> Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai > > > >>>> Here it is referred to the greh which are of greh phal in janam > kundli > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Magar ab uska aakhiri farmaan kya hai > > > >>>> the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration > second > > > >>>> line of > > > >>>> the page > > > >>>> sukh,daulat aur saans aakhiri, umar ka faisala hota hai > > > >>>> Here it is referred to check the three basics things from the > varshaphal > > > >>>> in > > > >>>> concern by making faisala kundli > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Aakhiri kundli > > > >>>> Pehle gharon mein varsh phal ke greh baad ke gharon mein janam > kundli ke > > > >>>> greh aur uss kundli ke number 10 mein dhokhe ke greh likhenge > natija > > > >>>> neez > > > >>>> faisla hoga.Maslan jo greh do dafa aa jaave veh apna faisla is > nai > > > >>>> kundli ke > > > >>>> mutabik accha ya bura kismat ka faisla denge. > > > >>>> i feel this is the way of making final kundli for every year's > > > >>>> varshaphal > > > >>>> other than what we study as normal varshaphal. it is very > important to > > > >>>> read > > > >>>> about Dhoke ka Grah in addition to varsh phal kundli.A table is > given in > > > >>>> the > > > >>>> book on page no.72 of 1942 transliteration to find out dhoke ka > grah in > > > >>>> every year of life based on janam kundli. From this final > kundli we can > > > >>>> check out for the greh(which comes twice) who are going to play > a lead > > > >>>> role > > > >>>> in the person's kundli and are definately going to give there > results > > > >>>> whether good or bad as far as the kismat for that person is > concerned > > > >>>> for > > > >>>> that certain year's varshaphal > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Agar is tarteeb se na aave veh varshaphal ke mutaabik phal > denge. > > > >>>> I feel that if in any particular year we didn't find any greh > which > > > >>>> comes > > > >>>> twice as per faisala kundli, only then we should follow the > normal > > > >>>> varshaphal kundli. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Here I would like to draw kind attn. of Respected prabhakar ji > , kulbir > > > >>>> ji, > > > >>>> umesh ji, punit ji and your goodself that this faisala kundli > is > > > >>>> incomplete > > > >>>> as i feel in 7th house the sun and budh are missing . which > are playing > > > >>>> key > > > >>>> part in this Faisala kundli. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Being a student with very little knowledge . I request all the > senior > > > >>>> respected members to forgive me for my mistakes as I am still > in the > > > >>>> learning process of revered lal kitab and I humbly request all > the > > > >>>> respected > > > >>>> members mentioned above to correct me for the 7th house sun > and budh in > > > >>>> faisala kundli. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Regards > > > >>>> Sunil Ailawadi > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>-- > > > >>>Sent from my mobile device > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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