LALKITAB PRACHAR SAMITI LUDHIAN FUNCTION DATED 17-1-2010

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Dear Chetan Ji,

Mera kahna he ki ye sab yanhi khatam kar diya jaye to jayada acha hey. Kyonki ye

bi to ek bahas hi hey. Kulbeer ji ko kuch bura laga unhoney jahir kar diya.

Eskey bajay ki hum ek dusrey ko sahi ya galat sabit karain hum LalKItab ke barey

main kuch sarthak batain karain to jayada CH hoga

Asha hey aap meri baat par gaur karengey.

Thanks

Regards

Umesh Sharma

, " c_p_s23 " <c_p_s23 wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbir ji,

>

> Aapne kaha ki Umesh ji ne mic badi sajjanta se mic pakda diya, toh bhai sahab

sajjan purush se aap aur kya umeed karte hain? unhone apni sajjanta aur badappan

hi dikhaya aur unhone theek bhi kiya kyonki sajjan wahi jo bahas mein na pade.

shaalinta se puche gaye har sawal ka jawab dena ek sajjan purush ka kartya hai

magar bahas ko tool dena sajjan ki nishani nahi. unhone jo bhi kiya theek kiya.

aap baat baat par recording ki baat kar rahe hain, toh bhai saab recording mein

aap bhi aur bhandari ji bhi bade shauk se stage par award lene aaye the. agar

aapko itna hi bura laga tha toh phir aap us sajjan (Umesh Ji) se award lene kyon

aaye? yeh toh thook kar chaatne waali baat ho gayi.

>

> chetan sud

>

>

> , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kunwar Ji;

> > //MIC CHHEN KAR USKI CLASS BALDEV RAJ JI NEY LAGAYI THI.USKE BAAD BEHAS BAR

GAYI//

> > Zara recording dekho; un janab se mic request kar badi sajjanta se pakda

Umesh ji ne;

> > jawab dete dete ruk gaye aur mic pakda diya/ pass kar diya ik aur sajjan

ko. woh janab bole HUM TO LAGAN KO MAANTE HI NAHIN; audience asked agar janam

patri wala manta ho to.

> > lagan ke swami yani lagnesh ki karak vastuon ko sare blood relatives se rakh

karwa doge to kya effect padega.

> > to woh sajjan apne I.P.S. officer ke contacts ka bakhan karne lage.

> > AUR RANJIT SAHIB PAISE MAANGNE LAGE.

> >  

> > BALDEV JI NE CLASS LAGAYI - very good news to me. zara recording dekho aur

mujhe bi dikhana ki class kisne kiski lagayi.

> > class lagayi audience ne aap sab ki.

> > AUR BHAI JI RECORDING DEKH LENA JAB BHANDARI JI BOL RAHE THE TO AAP SAB

MANCHOPASTHIT SAJJAN KYA KAR RAHE THE.

> > SIRF IK SAJJAN STAGE PAR BAITHA THA OSE BHI UTHA KAR LE GAYE.

> > BHANDARI SAHIB KO DIRECT REQUEST NAHIN HO SAKTI THI KYA.

> > HATH KANGAN KO AARSI KYA RECORDING DEKHO.

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bains.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@>

> >

> > Tue, 19 January, 2010 8:12:35 AM

> > Re: Re: LALKITAB PRACHAR SAMITI LUDHIAN FUNCTION

DATED 17-1-2010

> >

> >  

> > Dear Kunwar ji;

> > Could you kindly elaborate as to what logics were discussed to break the

myths about lalkitab.Recording hai aapke paas zara gaur se check kar ke batana.

> >  

> > if you remember that question NOT HIMAKAT you have no right to use WORDS

LIKE HIMAKAT WHEN YOU INVITE SCHOLARS FROM TRADITIONAL AND OTHER SHCOOLS RELATED

TO ASTROLOGY.

> > the question was CAN A PERSON WITH ASCENDANT VIRGO DO PITRI RIN UPAYA FOR

BUDH i.e.  BURNING OF KAUDI'S.

> > KYA JAWAB DIYA AAPNE?

> > ZARA BATANE KA KASHT KARO RECORDING DEKHA KARO.

> >  

> > GIGHI BANDH AAP SAB MAHAN JYANIYON KI.

> > //RANJIT JI NEY YADI YEH WORDS KEH B DIYE TO KUCHH GALT NAHI KAHA//

> > BILKUL GALAT KIYA JAWAB KYA DIYA BHAI JI US PRASHAN KARTA KO.

> > PAISE MAANGNE HAIN MAANGO KAUN ROKTA HAI. PAR USKE SAWAAL KA JAWAB TO DO.

> >  

> > //HAMNE SEMINAR LAL KITAB KE SHAAN MEIN USKE REHSYON KO LOGON KO BATANE KEY

LIYE KARWAYA //

> >  

> >  KAUN SA RAHASYON KO SAMJHANE KI CHESHT KI AAPNE . EK SIMPLE SAWAAL KA

JAWAB NI DE PAYE AAP.

> > LEAVE THIS QUESTION ASIDE. JUST TELL ME  AUR KIS RAHASYA KO SAMAJHANE KI

CHESTA KI APNE.

> >  

> > //NA KI LAL KITAB KE KHILAF BOLNE KE LIYE//

> > JAB WOH SAJJAN TAANG PAR TAANG RAKH KAR STAGE PAR BAITH KAR BOL RAHA THA TO

KYA LALKITAB KI SHAAN MEIN KASIDE PADH RAHA THA TAB KYON CHUP THE JI AAP//

> >  

> > PANDIT DURGA DAAS KE SAMMAN KA KYA HUA.

> > FOR AND IN INVITATION HIS NAME WAS USED BLATANTLY.

> >  

> > BHAI JI BHANADARI SAHIB KI BAAT KARO UNSE.

> >  

> > MUJHE DIPLOMACY NAHIN KARNI;BAAT PLAIN FACTS KI HOGI.

> >  JIS TONE MEIN AAPNE BAAT SHURU KI OSI KO CONTINUE RAKHO.

> > MERI SOCH PAR TARAS KHAO.

> >  

> > DUSHMAN JO HOTE AAP TO BAAT HI KYA THI;

> > APNON KO MANANA (SAMJHANA) HAI ZARA DER LAGEGI.

> >  

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bains.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > vishalastrologer <vishalastrologer@ .co. in>

> >

> > Tue, 19 January, 2010 6:52:45 AM

> > Re: LALKITAB PRACHAR SAMITI LUDHIAN FUNCTION DATED

17-1-2010

> >

> >  

> > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > lal kitab par seminaar karwana bina kisi ki madad key apne aap mein ek

conribution hai logon ko iski mahatta key bare mein bataya gya ki yeh koi jadu

tona ya tona-totka nahi balki ek scientific

> > technic hai.baki rahi ranjeet ji ki baat ki unho ney kaha " behas ki nahi

paison ki jaroorat hai " yeh words unho ney kaun se behas key liye kahe is par

gaur farmayen.aap wahan par the aap ko achhi tarah malum hoga wahan ek

astrologer ney lal kitab ke upayon ke khilaf bolne ki himakat ki thi to stAGE

PAR HI US SEY MIC CHHEN KAR USKI CLASS BALDEV RAJ JI NEY LAGAYI THI.USKE BAAD

BEHAS BAR GAYI THI.YADI STHITI KO SAMBHALNE KEY LIYE RANJIT JI NEY YADI YEH

WORDS KEH B DIYE TO KUCHH GALT NAHI KAHA.HAMNE SEMINAR LAL KITAB KE SHAAN MEIN

USKE REHSYON KO LOGON KO BATANE KEY LIYE KARWAYA ,NA KI LAL KITAB KE KHILAF

BOLNE KE

> > LIYE.UR AISI KAUN SI SANSTHA HAI JISE PAISON KI JAROORAT NAHI HAI.KOI NA

DEKAR B SUNATA HAI TO KOI DEKAR B GUM REHTA HAI.

> > BAKI RAHI BAAT BHANDARI SAHIB KE LECTURE KO IGNORE KARNE KI,AISI KOI MANSHA

TO NAHI THI NA HI UNKE JAISE SARAL AUR VIDWAAN INSAAN KEY SATH AISE KARNE KI

HIMAKAT HO SAKTI HAI.AAP KO YEH B YAAD HOGA KI RANJIT G NEY KAHA THA BAKI KA

LECTURE LUNCH KE BAAD HOGA.YADI

> > PHIR B UNKE DIL KO YA AAP KEY DIL KO BURA LAGA HO TO SHAMA CHAHTE HAI.

> > UMEED KARTA HU AB AAP KEY SHIKWE DOOR HO GAYE HONGE.

> > With Regards

> > Kunwar Vishal

> >

> > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ....>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kunwar Sahib;

> > >  1. KINDLY EXPLAIN AS TO HOW WHERE AND WHAT CONTRIBUTION WAS MADE FOR

LALKITAB AT THIS FUNCTION.

> > > 2. WHAT DID YOU EXPECT ME DO WHEN Mr. RANJIT ENDED THE FUNCTION AT THAT

STAGE.

> > > 3. KINDLY MADE THE UNEDITED RECORDING OF THE FUNCTION PUBLIC DIDN'T Mr.

RANJIT SAY HUMMEIN BAHAS KI NAHIN PAISON KI ZAROORAT HAI.

> > > 4.. KINDLY EXPLAIN THE REASON FOR WALKOUT AT Mr. BHANDARI'S ADDRESS.

> > > 5. I KNOW MAHAJAN JI, UMESH JI AND ALL OTHERS IN AND OUT AND ALSO

UNDERSTAND WHAT TRANSPIRED BEHIND THE SCENCE PRIOR TO THE FUNCTION AND AT THE

FUNCTION.

> > >  AAPKE MESSAGE SE QUOTE KAR RAHA HUN //kya aap key ya bhandari sahib

key 5000 na dene sey " kya seminar ruk gya " // SO NOW THE CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG.

YOU VALIDATED MY CLAIM. NEED I EXPLAIN MORE.

> > >  

> > > KINDLY ANSWER THE ABOVE QUESTIONS;

> > >  

> > > Best Wishes

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains.

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 19/1/10, vishalastrologer <vishalastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > vishalastrologer <vishalastrologer@ ...>

> > > Re: LALKITAB PRACHAR SAMITI LUDHIAN FUNCTION

DATED 17-1-2010

> > >

> > > Tuesday, 19 January, 2010, 9:49 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > mahajan ji ney seminaar karwaya aap us seminaar sey santusht nahi hai.baat

theek hai.usme thodi bahut kami peshi reh gayi

> > > baat theek hai.magar aap key kehne sey bhandari ji ney 5000 nahi diye

> > > baat theek hai.magar aap ka gila shikwa karne ka tareeka galt hai...aap b

seminaar mein aaye yadi aap ko koi bhool chuk nazar aaye to aap usi samay keh

sakte the ki yeh -2 kami hai.aap ko b to mahajan ji ney seminaar ki shobha

barane key liye bulaya tha na ki leg pulling key liye.yadi aap unke aziz hai to

kam sey kam kulbir ji aap sey is tarah ki umeed bilkul nahi karta tha.bahut dukh

ki baat hai kulbir bhai.aap key ya bhandari ji key 5000 na dene sey seminaar ruk

to nahi gya.main mahajn ji ko mubaraq kehta hu ki unho ney akele hi is seminaar

ka jimma uthaya aur use bakhubi nibhaya.thodi bahut kami-peshi yadi reh b gayi

to iska itna bara issue banane ki koi baat nahi.har insaan ko santusht karna

mumkin nahi.baki mahajan ji badhai ke patar hai ki unho ney apni koshish sey

pehli baar lal kitab key parchar key liye seminaar karwaya aur meri best wishes

hai ki wo bhawishya mein is sey b behtar seminaar karwaye ta ki aap ko dobara

narazgi na ho

> > > With Regards

> > > Kunwar Vishal

> > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members,

> > > >  

> > > > I am writing down the details of the seminar cum Jyotish camp held by

Lalkitab Prachar Samiti , Ludhiana on 17--01-2010 considering it my duty as my

name was mentioned in the advertisement and list of invitees. And I have to

apologize to a few. On solemn oath I swear and affirm that I am writing only the

truth and if an iota of bias, malice or favour is found in this post, the

moderator may kindly ban my membership. I shall have no qualms / regrets over

it.

> > > >  

> > > > The arrangements did show very good effort has been put up by Mr.

Jagmohan Mahajan, the hon’ble founder president of the by

Lalkitab Prachar Samiti , Ludhiana.

> > > > The participants i.e. scholars like Mr. Vijay Goel had  come

from as far as Jaipur.

> > > > All participants were given class- 1 refreshments.

> > > >  

> > > > It was a pleasure to see different warring groups/factions (as appears

from postings on net) from Ludhiana assisting  Mr. Mahajan ji, notably

Mr. Ranjit , Mr. Chetan Sud etc.

> > > > A stage was set for distinguished guests with a dais and good sound,

lighting, recording system in the hall.. I left the stage and occupied my seat

among the audience.

> > > > I noticed that as advertised in the invitation a noticeable number of

scholars were sitting in the audience who had command over there respective

fields had come with thorough preparation. It is a different thing that none got

the opportunity to address the gathering. Hats off to them they

didn’t made an issue over it and instead preferred to make an

effort to learn from those on stage.

> > > >  

> > > > A different place was set for practicing astrologers and people who sell

books, articles, items related to astrology and related fields.

> > > >  

> > > > Umesh ji from Delhi was the Chief Guest for the occasion.

> > > >  

> > > > Mr. Mahajan started the program with a brief address followed by Umesh

Ji..

> > > >  

> > > > Mr.Mahajan ji despite all his sincere had no team to assist and was

preparing all tasks  right from presiding over the function, requesting

guests for refreshments, guiding people to astrologers for consultancy to

picking and adjusting chairs.

> > > >  

> > > > I COULDN’T MAKE THE HEAD OR TAIL OF IT AS TO HOW AND

WHERE WAS THE PRACHAR OF LALKITAB BEING MADE BY THE SAMITI.

> > > >  It was more of a thanks giving motion, to persons on

interpersonal relations.

> > > >  I WAS AGHAST TO SEE THE LEVEL OF NEPOTISM. A young lad was

called to address the audience as he is a son of a professional astrologer of

Ludhiana who has a considerable clout .All he said was please 

don’t throw  plastic bags in flowing water while doing

remedies. GOOD POINT the hall resounded with claps. But that was all; he had

nothing further to say.

> > > > ABSOLUTELY NO OBJECTION TO IT.

> > > >  

> > > > WHAT MADE ME AGHAST WAS THAT WHEN Mr. RABINDER BHANDARI BEGAN HIS

ADDRESS.. THE AUDIENCE WAS LISTENING TO HIM IN RAPT ATTENTIOM AS HE WAS TELLING

ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE WITH LALKITAB SINCE 1980 AND HOW HE CONTRIBUTED TO BRING

LALKITAB KNOWLEDGE TO INTERNATIONAL LEVEL. HE WAS SHARING INVALUABLE INFORMATION

AS TO HOW TO ANALYZE A CHART ACCORDING TO LALKITAB.

> > > > SUDDENLY WITHOUT ANY PROVOCATION OR EXCUSE ALL SEATED ON THE STAGE

ABANDONED THE STAGE. TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY THE STAGE OCCUPIERS AND ORGANISERS

WERE SEEN REQUESTING THE AUDIENCE TO LEAVE THEIR CHAIRS AND GO TO ASTROLOGERS

WHO HAD PUT STALLS AT A SEPARATE PLACE FOR CONSULTATION. SHAME ON YOU.

> > > >  

> > > > Mr. Rabinder Bhandari begins his Sunday at 6 am until late evening and

people come from far and wide to consult him. This was probably his first Sunday

schedule cancelled upon my persistent requests. He had spent 2 days preparing

for this lecture. I think his biggest fault was that he did not contribute a fat

sum of money to organizers in advance. He is a thorough gentleman, had brought

Rs. 5000/ for donation to samiti and was adamant to give it to them but I put my

foot down didn’t let him give it to them.

> > > >  

> > > > Then the second session started, a gentleman whose caliber of lalkitab

knowledge is that he regularly comes on local TV channel, threw all protocol to

winds rather dustbin and after starting his speech from dais seated him

comfortably on the central seat on the stage, took of his one shoe and put that

leg on another and started his address with great fanfare. He came there with

army oh his chelas. I hope you all understand what I mean by chelas..

> > > >  

> > > > Umesh Ji tried to clear some his points but I can’t

fathom Why he handed over the mike to a gentleman with whom again he had some

interpersonal equation and that gentleman ( he too had his supporters) had to

offer lalkitab knowledge that some I.P.S officer consulted him once..

> > > >  

> > > > Dr. Amar Aggarwal couldn’t tolerate all this and stood

up from his seat and head on confronted those seated / now standing on the

stage.

> > > > Now the situation was very much like our parliament, legislative

assemblies i.e. only chairs were to be thrown at each other. I had to rush to

Dr. Aggarwal so that I take the first blow that comes towards him

> > > > The stage secretary Mr. Ranjit did show presence of mind and somehow

shrewdly ended the program abruptly.

> > > >  

> > > > Mr. Vijay Goel came all the way from Jaipur to speak upon the topic of

career as per D10 charts and lalkitab but remained a silent spectator.

> > > >  

> > > > Mr. Yograj Prabhakar ji’s sons came to the occasion to

release the E-Book version of 1941 (which Yograj Ji had released on net just 5

days earlier). His sons’ had put in great effort in it and were

honoured. They deserved it and it was a good step but the re- release of E-

Version. I couldn’t understand..

> > > >  

> > > > My apologies To Mr. Rabinder Bhandari Ji and Mr. Vijay Goel ji.

> > > >  

> > > >  

> > > >  My advise to all those who want to participate in 

such  LALKITAB PRACHAR seminars.  KINDLY BUILD SOME RESORCE /

RESERVE FOR MONEY, POWER, INFLUENCE. FOR A PERSON’S KNOWLEDGE

AT SUCH GATHERINGS IS JUDGED BY THESE CRITERIAS ALONE.

> > > > SORRY (FOR COURTESY SAKE ONLY) TO SAY. PT. BHOOSHAN PRIYA JI AND ALL

ASSOCIATED WITH ME. I AM GOING TO PRACTICE LALKITAB HENCEFORTH PROFESSIONALY (NO

CONSULTATION WITHOUT MONEY).

> > > > Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains.

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[Guest guest]

Dear Chetan Sud ji;

Umesh ji ne acha kamm kiya Mic chenane ki baat maine nahin kunwar sahib ne ki thi woh reply tha us context mein.

Umesh ji se stage par samman patra lene is liye aya tha kyuki mujhe badi khushi thi ki Umesh Ji lalkitab prachar manch par shobha badha rahe the.

Umesh Ji lalkitab manch par chief guest ban kar ate rahein aur iska jyan bantate rahein iske liye maine apni zindagi ke 2 saal gumnaami mein kaate, Uncorcked revolver aur nangi talwaron aur unke beech mein unke bachaw ke liye saamne khadha. Ek baar apna poora social circle chodna pada.

Tafsil aap unse pooch lena.

Shayad unko yaad ho.RegardsKulbir Bains-------------.

 

 

 

 

c_p_s23 <c_p_s23 Sent: Wed, 20 January, 2010 12:37:14 PM Re: LALKITAB PRACHAR SAMITI LUDHIAN FUNCTION DATED 17-1-2010

Dear Kulbir ji,Aapne kaha ki Umesh ji ne mic badi sajjanta se mic pakda diya, toh bhai sahab sajjan purush se aap aur kya umeed karte hain? unhone apni sajjanta aur badappan hi dikhaya aur unhone theek bhi kiya kyonki sajjan wahi jo bahas mein na pade. shaalinta se puche gaye har sawal ka jawab dena ek sajjan purush ka kartya hai magar bahas ko tool dena sajjan ki nishani nahi. unhone jo bhi kiya theek kiya. aap baat baat par recording ki baat kar rahe hain, toh bhai saab recording mein aap bhi aur bhandari ji bhi bade shauk se stage par award lene aaye the. agar aapko itna hi bura laga tha toh phir aap us sajjan (Umesh Ji) se award lene kyon aaye? yeh toh thook kar chaatne waali baat ho gayi.chetan sud, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:>>

Dear Kunwar Ji;> //MIC CHHEN KAR USKI CLASS BALDEV RAJ JI NEY LAGAYI THI.USKE BAAD BEHAS BAR GAYI//> Zara recording dekho; un janab se mic request kar badi sajjanta se pakda Umesh ji ne;> jawab dete dete ruk gaye aur mic pakda diya/ pass kar diya ik aur sajjan ko. woh janab bole HUM TO LAGAN KO MAANTE HI NAHIN; audience asked agar janam patri wala manta ho to.> lagan ke swami yani lagnesh ki karak vastuon ko sare blood relatives se rakh karwa doge to kya effect padega.> to woh sajjan apne I.P.S. officer ke contacts ka bakhan karne lage.> AUR RANJIT SAHIB PAISE MAANGNE LAGE.>  > BALDEV JI NE CLASS LAGAYI - very good news to me. zara recording dekho aur mujhe bi dikhana ki class kisne kiski lagayi.> class lagayi audience ne aap sab ki.> AUR BHAI JI RECORDING DEKH LENA JAB BHANDARI JI BOL RAHE THE TO AAP SAB MANCHOPASTHIT SAJJAN KYA KAR RAHE THE.> SIRF IK SAJJAN

STAGE PAR BAITHA THA OSE BHI UTHA KAR LE GAYE.> BHANDARI SAHIB KO DIRECT REQUEST NAHIN HO SAKTI THI KYA.> HATH KANGAN KO AARSI KYA RECORDING DEKHO.> Regards> Kulbir Bains.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...>> > Tue, 19 January, 2010 8:12:35 AM> Re: Re: LALKITAB PRACHAR SAMITI LUDHIAN FUNCTION DATED 17-1-2010> > Â > Dear Kunwar ji;> Could you kindly elaborate as to what logics were discussed to break the myths about lalkitab.Recording hai aapke paas zara gaur se check kar ke batana.> Â > if you remember that question NOT HIMAKAT you have no right to use WORDS LIKE

HIMAKAT WHEN YOU INVITE SCHOLARS FROM TRADITIONAL AND OTHER SHCOOLS RELATED TO ASTROLOGY.> the question was CAN A PERSON WITH ASCENDANT VIRGO DO PITRI RIN UPAYA FOR BUDH i.e. BURNING OF KAUDI'S.> KYA JAWAB DIYA AAPNE?> ZARA BATANE KA KASHT KARO RECORDING DEKHA KARO.>  > GIGHI BANDH AAP SAB MAHAN JYANIYON KI.> //RANJIT JI NEY YADI YEH WORDS KEH B DIYE TO KUCHH GALT NAHI KAHA//> BILKUL GALAT KIYA JAWAB KYA DIYA BHAI JI US PRASHAN KARTA KO.> PAISE MAANGNE HAIN MAANGO KAUN ROKTA HAI. PAR USKE SAWAAL KA JAWAB TO DO.>  > //HAMNE SEMINAR LAL KITAB KE SHAAN MEIN USKE REHSYON KO LOGON KO BATANE KEY LIYE KARWAYA //>  >  KAUN SA RAHASYON KO SAMJHANE KI CHESHT KI AAPNE . EK SIMPLE SAWAAL KA JAWAB NI DE PAYE AAP.> LEAVE THIS QUESTION ASIDE. JUST TELL ME AUR KIS RAHASYA KO SAMAJHANE KI CHESTA KI APNE.>  >

//NA KI LAL KITAB KE KHILAF BOLNE KEÂ LIYE//> JAB WOH SAJJAN TAANG PAR TAANG RAKH KAR STAGE PAR BAITH KAR BOL RAHA THA TO KYA LALKITAB KI SHAAN MEIN KASIDE PADH RAHA THA TAB KYON CHUP THE JIÂ AAP//> Â > PANDIT DURGA DAAS KE SAMMAN KA KYA HUA.> FOR AND IN INVITATION HIS NAME WAS USED BLATANTLY.> Â > BHAI JI BHANADARI SAHIB KI BAAT KARO UNSE.> Â > MUJHE DIPLOMACY NAHIN KARNI;BAAT PLAIN FACTS KI HOGI.> Â JIS TONE MEIN AAPNE BAAT SHURU KI OSI KO CONTINUE RAKHO..> MERI SOCH PAR TARAS KHAO.> Â > DUSHMAN JO HOTE AAP TO BAAT HI KYA THI;> APNON KO MANANA (SAMJHANA) HAI ZARA DER LAGEGI.> Â > Regards> Kulbir Bains.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> vishalastrologer <vishalastrologer@ .co. in>> @

. com> Tue, 19 January, 2010 6:52:45 AM> Re: LALKITAB PRACHAR SAMITI LUDHIAN FUNCTION DATED 17-1-2010> > Â > Dear Kulbir ji,> lal kitab par seminaar karwana bina kisi ki madad key apne aap mein ek conribution hai logon ko iski mahatta key bare mein bataya gya ki yeh koi jadu tona ya tona-totka nahi balki ek scientific> technic hai.baki rahi ranjeet ji ki baat ki unho ney kaha "behas ki nahi paison ki jaroorat hai"yeh words unho ney kaun se behas key liye kahe is par gaur farmayen.aap wahan par the aap ko achhi tarah malum hoga wahan ek astrologer ney lal kitab ke upayon ke khilaf bolne ki himakat ki thi to stAGE PAR HI US SEY MIC CHHEN KAR USKI CLASS BALDEV RAJ JI NEY LAGAYI THI.USKE BAAD BEHAS BAR GAYI THI.YADI STHITI KO SAMBHALNE KEY LIYE RANJIT JI NEY YADI YEH WORDS KEH B DIYE TO KUCHH GALT NAHI KAHA.HAMNE SEMINAR LAL KITAB KE SHAAN MEIN USKE REHSYON KO

LOGON KO BATANE KEY LIYE KARWAYA ,NA KI LAL KITAB KE KHILAF BOLNE KE> LIYE.UR AISI KAUN SI SANSTHA HAI JISE PAISON KI JAROORAT NAHI HAI.KOI NA DEKAR B SUNATA HAI TO KOI DEKAR B GUM REHTA HAI.> BAKI RAHI BAAT BHANDARI SAHIB KE LECTURE KO IGNORE KARNE KI,AISI KOI MANSHA TO NAHI THI NA HI UNKE JAISE SARAL AUR VIDWAAN INSAAN KEY SATH AISE KARNE KI HIMAKAT HO SAKTI HAI.AAP KO YEH B YAAD HOGA KI RANJIT G NEY KAHA THA BAKI KA LECTURE LUNCH KE BAAD HOGA.YADI> PHIR B UNKE DIL KO YA AAP KEY DIL KO BURA LAGA HO TO SHAMA CHAHTE HAI.> UMEED KARTA HU AB AAP KEY SHIKWE DOOR HO GAYE HONGE.> With Regards> Kunwar Vishal> > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ....> wrote:> >> > Dear Kunwar Sahib;> >  1. KINDLY EXPLAIN AS TO HOW WHERE AND WHAT CONTRIBUTION WAS MADE FOR LALKITAB AT THIS FUNCTION.> > 2. WHAT DID YOU EXPECT ME DO WHEN

Mr. RANJIT ENDED THE FUNCTION AT THAT STAGE. > > 3. KINDLY MADE THE UNEDITED RECORDING OF THE FUNCTION PUBLIC DIDN'T Mr. RANJIT SAY HUMMEIN BAHAS KI NAHIN PAISON KI ZAROORAT HAI. > > 4.. KINDLY EXPLAIN THE REASON FOR WALKOUT AT Mr. BHANDARI'S ADDRESS.> > 5. I KNOW MAHAJAN JI, UMESH JI AND ALL OTHERS IN AND OUT AND ALSO UNDERSTAND WHAT TRANSPIRED BEHIND THE SCENCE PRIOR TO THE FUNCTION AND AT THE FUNCTION.> >  AAPKE MESSAGE SE QUOTE KAR RAHA HUN //kya aap key ya bhandari sahib key 5000 na dene sey "kya seminar ruk gya"// SO NOW THE CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG. YOU VALIDATED MY CLAIM. NEED I EXPLAIN MORE.> >  > > KINDLY ANSWER THE ABOVE QUESTIONS;> >  > > Best Wishes> > Regards> > Kulbir Bains.> > > > --- On Tue, 19/1/10, vishalastrologer <vishalastrologer@ ...> wrote:> > > >

> > vishalastrologer <vishalastrologer@ ...>> > Re: LALKITAB PRACHAR SAMITI LUDHIAN FUNCTION DATED 17-1-2010> > > > Tuesday, 19 January, 2010, 9:49 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > mahajan ji ney seminaar karwaya aap us seminaar sey santusht nahi hai.baat theek hai.usme thodi bahut kami peshi reh gayi> > baat theek hai.magar aap key kehne sey bhandari ji ney 5000 nahi diye> > baat theek hai.magar aap ka gila shikwa karne ka tareeka galt hai...aap b seminaar mein aaye yadi aap ko koi bhool chuk nazar aaye to aap usi samay keh sakte the ki yeh -2 kami hai.aap ko b to mahajan ji ney seminaar ki shobha barane key liye bulaya tha na ki leg pulling key liye.yadi aap unke aziz hai to kam sey kam kulbir ji aap sey is

tarah ki umeed bilkul nahi karta tha.bahut dukh ki baat hai kulbir bhai.aap key ya bhandari ji key 5000 na dene sey seminaar ruk to nahi gya.main mahajn ji ko mubaraq kehta hu ki unho ney akele hi is seminaar ka jimma uthaya aur use bakhubi nibhaya.thodi bahut kami-peshi yadi reh b gayi to iska itna bara issue banane ki koi baat nahi.har insaan ko santusht karna mumkin nahi.baki mahajan ji badhai ke patar hai ki unho ney apni koshish sey pehli baar lal kitab key parchar key liye seminaar karwaya aur meri best wishes hai ki wo bhawishya mein is sey b behtar seminaar karwaye ta ki aap ko dobara narazgi na ho> > With Regards> > Kunwar Vishal> > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ....> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Members,> > >  > > > I am writing down the details of the seminar cum Jyotish camp held by Lalkitab Prachar Samiti

, Ludhiana on 17--01-2010 considering it my duty as my name was mentioned in the advertisement and list of invitees. And I have to apologize to a few.. On solemn oath I swear and affirm that I am writing only the truth and if an iota of bias, malice or favour is found in this post, the moderator may kindly ban my membership. I shall have no qualms / regrets over it.> > >  > > > The arrangements did show very good effort has been put up by Mr. Jagmohan Mahajan, the hon’ble founder president of the by Lalkitab Prachar Samiti , Ludhiana.> > > The participants i.e. scholars like Mr. Vijay Goel had come from as far as Jaipur..> > > All participants were given class- 1 refreshments.> > >  > > > It was a pleasure to see different warring groups/factions (as appears from postings

on net) from Ludhiana assisting  Mr. Mahajan ji, notably Mr. Ranjit , Mr. Chetan Sud etc.> > > A stage was set for distinguished guests with a dais and good sound, lighting, recording system in the hall.. I left the stage and occupied my seat among the audience.> > > I noticed that as advertised in the invitation a noticeable number of scholars were sitting in the audience who had command over there respective fields had come with thorough preparation. It is a different thing that none got the opportunity to address the gathering. Hats off to them they didn’t made an issue over it and instead preferred to make an effort to learn from those on stage.> > >  > > > A different place was set for practicing astrologers and people who sell books, articles, items related to astrology and related fields.> > >

 > > > Umesh ji from Delhi was the Chief Guest for the occasion.> > >  > > > Mr. Mahajan started the program with a brief address followed by Umesh Ji..> > >  > > > Mr.Mahajan ji despite all his sincere had no team to assist and was preparing all tasks  right from presiding over the function, requesting guests for refreshments, guiding people to astrologers for consultancy to picking and adjusting chairs.> > >  > > > I COULDN’T MAKE THE HEAD OR TAIL OF IT AS TO HOW AND WHERE WAS THE PRACHAR OF LALKITAB BEING MADE BY THE SAMITI.> > >  It was more of a thanks giving motion, to persons on interpersonal relations.> > >  I WAS AGHAST TO SEE THE

LEVEL OF NEPOTISM. A young lad was called to address the audience as he is a son of a professional astrologer of Ludhiana who has a considerable clout .All he said was please don’t throw plastic bags in flowing water while doing remedies. GOOD POINT the hall resounded with claps. But that was all; he had nothing further to say.> > > ABSOLUTELY NO OBJECTION TO IT.> > >  > > > WHAT MADE ME AGHAST WAS THAT WHEN Mr. RABINDER BHANDARI BEGAN HIS ADDRESS.. THE AUDIENCE WAS LISTENING TO HIM IN RAPT ATTENTIOM AS HE WAS TELLING ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE WITH LALKITAB SINCE 1980 AND HOW HE CONTRIBUTED TO BRING LALKITAB KNOWLEDGE TO INTERNATIONAL LEVEL. HE WAS SHARING INVALUABLE INFORMATION AS TO HOW TO ANALYZE A CHART ACCORDING TO LALKITAB.> > > SUDDENLY WITHOUT ANY PROVOCATION OR EXCUSE ALL SEATED ON THE STAGE

ABANDONED THE STAGE. TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY THE STAGE OCCUPIERS AND ORGANISERS WERE SEEN REQUESTING THE AUDIENCE TO LEAVE THEIR CHAIRS AND GO TO ASTROLOGERS WHO HAD PUT STALLS AT A SEPARATE PLACE FOR CONSULTATION. SHAME ON YOU.> > >  > > > Mr. Rabinder Bhandari begins his Sunday at 6 am until late evening and people come from far and wide to consult him. This was probably his first Sunday schedule cancelled upon my persistent requests. He had spent 2 days preparing for this lecture. I think his biggest fault was that he did not contribute a fat sum of money to organizers in advance. He is a thorough gentleman, had brought Rs. 5000/ for donation to samiti and was adamant to give it to them but I put my foot down didn’t let him give it to them.> > >  > > > Then the second session started, a gentleman whose caliber of

lalkitab knowledge is that he regularly comes on local TV channel, threw all protocol to winds rather dustbin and after starting his speech from dais seated him comfortably on the central seat on the stage, took of his one shoe and put that leg on another and started his address with great fanfare. He came there with army oh his chelas. I hope you all understand what I mean by chelas..> > >  > > > Umesh Ji tried to clear some his points but I can’t fathom Why he handed over the mike to a gentleman with whom again he had some interpersonal equation and that gentleman ( he too had his supporters) had to offer lalkitab knowledge that some I.P.S officer consulted him once..> > >  > > > Dr. Amar Aggarwal couldn’t tolerate all this and stood up from his seat and head on confronted those

seated / now standing on the stage.> > > Now the situation was very much like our parliament, legislative assemblies i.e. only chairs were to be thrown at each other. I had to rush to Dr. Aggarwal so that I take the first blow that comes towards him> > > The stage secretary Mr. Ranjit did show presence of mind and somehow shrewdly ended the program abruptly.> > >  > > > Mr. Vijay Goel came all the way from Jaipur to speak upon the topic of career as per D10 charts and lalkitab but remained a silent spectator.> > >  > > > Mr. Yograj Prabhakar ji’s sons came to the occasion to release the E-Book version of 1941 (which Yograj Ji had released on net just 5 days earlier). His sons’ had put in great effort in it and were honoured. They deserved it and it was a good

step but the re- release of E- Version. I couldn’t understand..> > >  > > > My apologies To Mr. Rabinder Bhandari Ji and Mr. Vijay Goel ji.> > >  > > >  > > >  My advise to all those who want to participate in such LALKITAB PRACHAR seminars. KINDLY BUILD SOME RESORCE / RESERVE FOR MONEY, POWER, INFLUENCE. FOR A PERSON’S KNOWLEDGE AT SUCH GATHERINGS IS JUDGED BY THESE CRITERIAS ALONE.> > > SORRY (FOR COURTESY SAKE ONLY) TO SAY. PT. BHOOSHAN PRIYA JI AND ALL ASSOCIATED WITH ME. I AM GOING TO PRACTICE LALKITAB HENCEFORTH PROFESSIONALY (NO CONSULTATION WITHOUT MONEY).> > > Regards> > > Kulbir Bains.> > >

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Dear Chetan Ji;

Main kissi ko free kuch nahin batata; Meri fee consideration kuch aur tarike ki hoti hai;

Maine words MONEY, POWER, INFLUENCE use kiye the.

Agar mere pass influence ki takkat na hoti to mera naam aapke invitation mein sab se pehle na chapta aur na akhbaron mein dete samiti wale.

Aap Mahajan Sahib se hi pooch lijiye meri seminar mein kya contribution thi.

Agar apni publicity chahiye hoti to main manch par apni seat Thakur ji ke liye chod kar audience mein na baithata aur jab Ranjit ji ne mujhe address karne ko kaha to yeh na kahta ki mera time Thakur Sahib ko de do.

Aapke president aur honourable chief guest ne stage par kya kaha tha '' hamne lalkitab ke zariya bahut kuch paya / kamaya. Ab lalkitab ki sewa karne ka prayas kar rahen hain.''

personal interest koi nahin chodta / bilkul darusat farmaya apne / par stage se yeh announcement maine nahin ki, jinhone ki unse poocho.

Regards

Kulbir Bains.

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Dear Kulbir Ji,Saadar Namaskar.Aap sab ka gussa zayaz hai. main yahan koi safai nahi dena chahta bas itna kahunga ki lal kitab ke upar yeh ek apni tarah ka pehla seminar ya sammelan tha. it was a free jyotish camp organised by lal kitab prachar samiti. we invited all respected scholars, sab apna apna anubhav bata rahe the. aur sab theek bhi chal raha tha. dekhiye kisi ek person ke negative bolne se lal kitab ki garima ko koi thes nahi lag sakti. lal kitab mahaan hai thi aur rahegi. rahi baat sammelan mein kuch logon ko uchit samman nahi mil paya toh galti toh har insaan se hoti hai. jahan tak sawal hai sammelan mein uthaaye gaye sawalon ka toh har ek sawal ka jawab logic se diya ja sakta tha lal kitab se prem karne wala koi bhi un sawalon ke jawab de sakta tha aap bhi jawab de sakte the aap bhi toh lal kitab se prem karte hain phir aap kyon nahi aage aaye. baat sirf itni thi ki us samay jo mahaul ban gaya tha woh sawal jawab ko aage

badane ke liye uchit nahi tha. kuch nasamajh logon ki vajah se sammelan ka mahaul kharab karna uchit nahi tha. raha sawal lal kitab ke prachar ka toh yeh sammelan ka hona hi apne aap mein lal kitab ka prachar hai. lal kitab ek heera hai aur heere ko apni chamak batane ki zaroorat nahin. aap bahut samajhdaar hai, main aapse poochta hoon is tarah net par aapas mein ladkar hum kya saabit karna chahte hain. kya lal kitab ke prati yahi hamara prem hai. ek insaan (mahajan ji) ne ek kadam badhaya, lal kitab ko upar lane ke liye ek koshish ki, us koshish mein agar kuch kamiyan reh bhi gayi thi toh aap unhe personally discuss karte, na ki is tarah net par ho hulla machate. mujhe bahut dukh hai ki sab lal kitab ke upar baatein toh bahut karte hain par apna personal interest koi nahin chodhta. chaliye aap hi bataye ki aapne aaj tak lal kitab ke liye kya kiya hai? agar aap free bhi dekhte hai toh yeh bhi ek apne aap ko publicite karne ka ek stunt hai. is duniya

mein koi bhi aisa nahin jo apna personal interest chod de, main bhi nahin. lal kitab ke prachar ke liye yadi aap koi behtar tarika bata sakte hain toh main aapke sujhav ka swagat karta hoon aur promise karta hoon ki aapke sijhav ko pura amman diya jayega. meri baaton ko apne upar personal attacka na samajh kar, ek chhotey bhai ki bade bhai ko di gayi nasihat hi samajh lena. kyonki lal kitab se prem karne wala har shakhs mere bade bhai samaan hai..with regardschetan sud , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Kunwar Ji;> //MIC CHHEN KAR USKI CLASS BALDEV RAJ JI NEY LAGAYI THI.USKE BAAD BEHAS BAR GAYI//> Zara recording dekho; un janab se mic request kar badi sajjanta se pakda Umesh ji ne;> jawab dete dete ruk gaye aur mic

pakda diya/ pass kar diya ik aur sajjan ko. woh janab bole HUM TO LAGAN KO MAANTE HI NAHIN; audience asked agar janam patri wala manta ho to.> lagan ke swami yani lagnesh ki karak vastuon ko sare blood relatives se rakh karwa doge to kya effect padega.> to woh sajjan apne I..P.S. officer ke contacts ka bakhan karne lage.> AUR RANJIT SAHIB PAISE MAANGNE LAGE.>  > BALDEV JI NE CLASS LAGAYI - very good news to me. zara recording dekho aur mujhe bi dikhana ki class kisne kiski lagayi.> class lagayi audience ne aap sab ki.> AUR BHAI JI RECORDING DEKH LENA JAB BHANDARI JI BOL RAHE THE TO AAP SAB MANCHOPASTHIT SAJJAN KYA KAR RAHE THE.> SIRF IK SAJJAN STAGE PAR BAITHA THA OSE BHI UTHA KAR LE GAYE.> BHANDARI SAHIB KO DIRECT REQUEST NAHIN HO SAKTI THI KYA.> HATH KANGAN KO AARSI KYA RECORDING DEKHO.> Regards> Kulbir Bains.> > > > >

____________ _________ _________ __> Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...>> > Tue, 19 January, 2010 8:12:35 AM> Re: Re: LALKITAB PRACHAR SAMITI LUDHIAN FUNCTION DATED 17-1-2010> >  > Dear Kunwar ji;> Could you kindly elaborate as to what logics were discussed to break the myths about lalkitab.Recording hai aapke paas zara gaur se check kar ke batana.>  > if you remember that question NOT HIMAKAT you have no right to use WORDS LIKE HIMAKAT WHEN YOU INVITE SCHOLARS FROM TRADITIONAL AND OTHER SHCOOLS RELATED TO ASTROLOGY.> the question was CAN A PERSON WITH ASCENDANT VIRGO DO PITRI RIN UPAYA FOR BUDH i.e. BURNING OF KAUDI'S.> KYA JAWAB DIYA AAPNE?>

ZARA BATANE KA KASHT KARO RECORDING DEKHA KARO.>  > GIGHI BANDH AAP SAB MAHAN JYANIYON KI.> //RANJIT JI NEY YADI YEH WORDS KEH B DIYE TO KUCHH GALT NAHI KAHA//> BILKUL GALAT KIYA JAWAB KYA DIYA BHAI JI US PRASHAN KARTA KO.> PAISE MAANGNE HAIN MAANGO KAUN ROKTA HAI. PAR USKE SAWAAL KA JAWAB TO DO.>  > //HAMNE SEMINAR LAL KITAB KE SHAAN MEIN USKE REHSYON KO LOGON KO BATANE KEY LIYE KARWAYA //>  >  KAUN SA RAHASYON KO SAMJHANE KI CHESHT KI AAPNE . EK SIMPLE SAWAAL KA JAWAB NI DE PAYE AAP.> LEAVE THIS QUESTION ASIDE. JUST TELL ME AUR KIS RAHASYA KO SAMAJHANE KI CHESTA KI APNE.>  > //NA KI LAL KITAB KE KHILAF BOLNE KE LIYE//> JAB WOH SAJJAN TAANG PAR TAANG RAKH KAR STAGE PAR BAITH KAR BOL RAHA THA TO KYA LALKITAB KI SHAAN MEIN KASIDE PADH RAHA THA TAB KYON CHUP THE JI AAP//>  > PANDIT

DURGA DAAS KE SAMMAN KA KYA HUA.> FOR AND IN INVITATION HIS NAME WAS USED BLATANTLY.> Â > BHAI JI BHANADARI SAHIB KI BAAT KARO UNSE.> Â > MUJHE DIPLOMACY NAHIN KARNI;BAAT PLAIN FACTS KI HOGI.> Â JIS TONE MEIN AAPNE BAAT SHURU KI OSI KO CONTINUE RAKHO.> MERI SOCH PAR TARAS KHAO.> Â > DUSHMAN JO HOTE AAP TO BAAT HI KYA THI;> APNON KO MANANA (SAMJHANA) HAI ZARA DER LAGEGI.> Â > Regards> Kulbir Bains.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> vishalastrologer <vishalastrologer@ .co. in>> > Tue, 19 January, 2010 6:52:45 AM> Re: LALKITAB PRACHAR SAMITI LUDHIAN FUNCTION DATED 17-1-2010> > Â > Dear Kulbir ji,> lal kitab par seminaar karwana bina

kisi ki madad key apne aap mein ek conribution hai logon ko iski mahatta key bare mein bataya gya ki yeh koi jadu tona ya tona-totka nahi balki ek scientific> technic hai.baki rahi ranjeet ji ki baat ki unho ney kaha "behas ki nahi paison ki jaroorat hai"yeh words unho ney kaun se behas key liye kahe is par gaur farmayen.aap wahan par the aap ko achhi tarah malum hoga wahan ek astrologer ney lal kitab ke upayon ke khilaf bolne ki himakat ki thi to stAGE PAR HI US SEY MIC CHHEN KAR USKI CLASS BALDEV RAJ JI NEY LAGAYI THI.USKE BAAD BEHAS BAR GAYI THI.YADI STHITI KO SAMBHALNE KEY LIYE RANJIT JI NEY YADI YEH WORDS KEH B DIYE TO KUCHH GALT NAHI KAHA.HAMNE SEMINAR LAL KITAB KE SHAAN MEIN USKE REHSYON KO LOGON KO BATANE KEY LIYE KARWAYA ,NA KI LAL KITAB KE KHILAF BOLNE KE> LIYE.UR AISI KAUN SI SANSTHA HAI JISE PAISON KI JAROORAT NAHI HAI.KOI NA DEKAR B SUNATA HAI TO KOI DEKAR B GUM REHTA HAI.> BAKI RAHI BAAT BHANDARI SAHIB KE LECTURE KO

IGNORE KARNE KI,AISI KOI MANSHA TO NAHI THI NA HI UNKE JAISE SARAL AUR VIDWAAN INSAAN KEY SATH AISE KARNE KI HIMAKAT HO SAKTI HAI.AAP KO YEH B YAAD HOGA KI RANJIT G NEY KAHA THA BAKI KA LECTURE LUNCH KE BAAD HOGA.YADI> PHIR B UNKE DIL KO YA AAP KEY DIL KO BURA LAGA HO TO SHAMA CHAHTE HAI.> UMEED KARTA HU AB AAP KEY SHIKWE DOOR HO GAYE HONGE.> With Regards> Kunwar Vishal> > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ....> wrote:> >> > Dear Kunwar Sahib;> >  1. KINDLY EXPLAIN AS TO HOW WHERE AND WHAT CONTRIBUTION WAS MADE FOR LALKITAB AT THIS FUNCTION.> > 2. WHAT DID YOU EXPECT ME DO WHEN Mr. RANJIT ENDED THE FUNCTION AT THAT STAGE. > > 3. KINDLY MADE THE UNEDITED RECORDING OF THE FUNCTION PUBLIC DIDN'T Mr. RANJIT SAY HUMMEIN BAHAS KI NAHIN PAISON KI ZAROORAT HAI. > > 4.. KINDLY EXPLAIN THE REASON FOR WALKOUT AT Mr.

BHANDARI'S ADDRESS.> > 5. I KNOW MAHAJAN JI, UMESH JI AND ALL OTHERS IN AND OUT AND ALSO UNDERSTAND WHAT TRANSPIRED BEHIND THE SCENCE PRIOR TO THE FUNCTION AND AT THE FUNCTION.> >  AAPKE MESSAGE SE QUOTE KAR RAHA HUN //kya aap key ya bhandari sahib key 5000 na dene sey "kya seminar ruk gya"// SO NOW THE CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG. YOU VALIDATED MY CLAIM. NEED I EXPLAIN MORE.> >  > > KINDLY ANSWER THE ABOVE QUESTIONS;> >  > > Best Wishes> > Regards> > Kulbir Bains.> > > > --- On Tue, 19/1/10, vishalastrologer <vishalastrologer@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > vishalastrologer <vishalastrologer@ ...>> > Re: LALKITAB PRACHAR SAMITI LUDHIAN FUNCTION DATED 17-1-2010> > > > Tuesday, 19 January,

2010, 9:49 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > mahajan ji ney seminaar karwaya aap us seminaar sey santusht nahi hai.baat theek hai.usme thodi bahut kami peshi reh gayi> > baat theek hai.magar aap key kehne sey bhandari ji ney 5000 nahi diye> > baat theek hai.magar aap ka gila shikwa karne ka tareeka galt hai...aap b seminaar mein aaye yadi aap ko koi bhool chuk nazar aaye to aap usi samay keh sakte the ki yeh -2 kami hai.aap ko b to mahajan ji ney seminaar ki shobha barane key liye bulaya tha na ki leg pulling key liye.yadi aap unke aziz hai to kam sey kam kulbir ji aap sey is tarah ki umeed bilkul nahi karta tha.bahut dukh ki baat hai kulbir bhai.aap key ya bhandari ji key 5000 na dene sey seminaar ruk to nahi gya.main mahajn ji ko mubaraq kehta hu ki unho ney akele hi is seminaar ka jimma uthaya aur use bakhubi nibhaya.thodi

bahut kami-peshi yadi reh b gayi to iska itna bara issue banane ki koi baat nahi.har insaan ko santusht karna mumkin nahi.baki mahajan ji badhai ke patar hai ki unho ney apni koshish sey pehli baar lal kitab key parchar key liye seminaar karwaya aur meri best wishes hai ki wo bhawishya mein is sey b behtar seminaar karwaye ta ki aap ko dobara narazgi na ho> > With Regards> > Kunwar Vishal> > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Members,> > >  > > > I am writing down the details of the seminar cum Jyotish camp held by Lalkitab Prachar Samiti , Ludhiana on 17--01-2010 considering it my duty as my name was mentioned in the advertisement and list of invitees. And I have to apologize to a few. On solemn oath I swear and affirm that I am writing only the truth and if an iota of bias, malice or

favour is found in this post, the moderator may kindly ban my membership. I shall have no qualms / regrets over it.> > >  > > > The arrangements did show very good effort has been put up by Mr. Jagmohan Mahajan, the hon’ble founder president of the by Lalkitab Prachar Samiti , Ludhiana.> > > The participants i.e. scholars like Mr. Vijay Goel had come from as far as Jaipur.> > > All participants were given class- 1 refreshments.> > >  > > > It was a pleasure to see different warring groups/factions (as appears from postings on net) from Ludhiana assisting  Mr. Mahajan ji, notably Mr. Ranjit , Mr. Chetan Sud etc.> > > A stage was set for distinguished guests with a dais and good sound, lighting, recording system in the hall.. I left the

stage and occupied my seat among the audience.> > > I noticed that as advertised in the invitation a noticeable number of scholars were sitting in the audience who had command over there respective fields had come with thorough preparation. It is a different thing that none got the opportunity to address the gathering. Hats off to them they didn’t made an issue over it and instead preferred to make an effort to learn from those on stage.> > >  > > > A different place was set for practicing astrologers and people who sell books, articles, items related to astrology and related fields.> > >  > > > Umesh ji from Delhi was the Chief Guest for the occasion.> > >  > > > Mr. Mahajan started the program with a brief address followed by Umesh Ji..> > >

 > > > Mr.Mahajan ji despite all his sincere had no team to assist and was preparing all tasks  right from presiding over the function, requesting guests for refreshments, guiding people to astrologers for consultancy to picking and adjusting chairs.> > >  > > > I COULDN’T MAKE THE HEAD OR TAIL OF IT AS TO HOW AND WHERE WAS THE PRACHAR OF LALKITAB BEING MADE BY THE SAMITI.> > >  It was more of a thanks giving motion, to persons on interpersonal relations.> > >  I WAS AGHAST TO SEE THE LEVEL OF NEPOTISM. A young lad was called to address the audience as he is a son of a professional astrologer of Ludhiana who has a considerable clout .All he said was please don’t

throw plastic bags in flowing water while doing remedies. GOOD POINT the hall resounded with claps. But that was all; he had nothing further to say.> > > ABSOLUTELY NO OBJECTION TO IT.> > >  > > > WHAT MADE ME AGHAST WAS THAT WHEN Mr. RABINDER BHANDARI BEGAN HIS ADDRESS.. THE AUDIENCE WAS LISTENING TO HIM IN RAPT ATTENTIOM AS HE WAS TELLING ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE WITH LALKITAB SINCE 1980 AND HOW HE CONTRIBUTED TO BRING LALKITAB KNOWLEDGE TO INTERNATIONAL LEVEL. HE WAS SHARING INVALUABLE INFORMATION AS TO HOW TO ANALYZE A CHART ACCORDING TO LALKITAB.> > > SUDDENLY WITHOUT ANY PROVOCATION OR EXCUSE ALL SEATED ON THE STAGE ABANDONED THE STAGE. TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY THE STAGE OCCUPIERS AND ORGANISERS WERE SEEN REQUESTING THE AUDIENCE TO LEAVE THEIR CHAIRS AND GO TO ASTROLOGERS WHO HAD PUT STALLS AT A SEPARATE PLACE FOR CONSULTATION. SHAME ON YOU.> >

>  > > > Mr. Rabinder Bhandari begins his Sunday at 6 am until late evening and people come from far and wide to consult him. This was probably his first Sunday schedule cancelled upon my persistent requests. He had spent 2 days preparing for this lecture. I think his biggest fault was that he did not contribute a fat sum of money to organizers in advance. He is a thorough gentleman, had brought Rs. 5000/ for donation to samiti and was adamant to give it to them but I put my foot down didn’t let him give it to them.> > >  > > > Then the second session started, a gentleman whose caliber of lalkitab knowledge is that he regularly comes on local TV channel, threw all protocol to winds rather dustbin and after starting his speech from dais seated him comfortably on the central seat on the stage, took of his one shoe and put that leg

on another and started his address with great fanfare. He came there with army oh his chelas. I hope you all understand what I mean by chelas..> > >  > > > Umesh Ji tried to clear some his points but I can’t fathom Why he handed over the mike to a gentleman with whom again he had some interpersonal equation and that gentleman ( he too had his supporters) had to offer lalkitab knowledge that some I.P.S officer consulted him once..> > >  > > > Dr. Amar Aggarwal couldn’t tolerate all this and stood up from his seat and head on confronted those seated / now standing on the stage.> > > Now the situation was very much like our parliament, legislative assemblies i.e. only chairs were to be thrown at each other. I had to rush to Dr. Aggarwal so that I take the first blow that

comes towards him> > > The stage secretary Mr. Ranjit did show presence of mind and somehow shrewdly ended the program abruptly.> > >  > > > Mr. Vijay Goel came all the way from Jaipur to speak upon the topic of career as per D10 charts and lalkitab but remained a silent spectator.> > >  > > > Mr. Yograj Prabhakar ji’s sons came to the occasion to release the E-Book version of 1941 (which Yograj Ji had released on net just 5 days earlier). His sons’ had put in great effort in it and were honoured. They deserved it and it was a good step but the re- release of E- Version. I couldn’t understand..> > >  > > > My apologies To Mr. Rabinder Bhandari Ji and Mr.. Vijay Goel ji.> > >

 > > >  > > >  My advise to all those who want to participate in such LALKITAB PRACHAR seminars. KINDLY BUILD SOME RESORCE / RESERVE FOR MONEY, POWER, INFLUENCE. FOR A PERSON’S KNOWLEDGE AT SUCH GATHERINGS IS JUDGED BY THESE CRITERIAS ALONE.> > > SORRY (FOR COURTESY SAKE ONLY) TO SAY. PT. BHOOSHAN PRIYA JI AND ALL ASSOCIATED WITH ME. I AM GOING TO PRACTICE LALKITAB HENCEFORTH PROFESSIONALY (NO CONSULTATION WITHOUT MONEY).> > > Regards> > > Kulbir Bains.> > >  > > >  > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> The INTERNET now has a personality. . YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/>

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[Guest guest]

dear Narang ji,

 

Mr. Thakur's dedication to LK is admirable in view of the fact that he took all the pains to learn Urdu late in his life to read and understand LK. His analysis of Indira Gandhi with quotes of LK indeed makes a good reading.

Equally appreciable is your respect for Mr. Thakur.

The lecture of 17th makes interesting reading. But Narang ji, respected pundit ji never gifted the book free to any person. He would charge the printed price of every book --even the varshphal booklet ; to the penny--neither less nor more.

 

Lk does not need any prachar. Pundit ji had many many years to spread it after its publication in1952 He could have easily advertised it throughout the world through his followers.He chose not to do so.

 

With best wishes;

Sincerely,

Kumar

[Guest guest]

Dear Kiran Ji

 

Thanks for your mail.You may be right about the books price because i don't know too much about the LK and Pandit Ji.I have read about him on the net and have listened from two people what i Know little .Moreover i know three people to whom Pandit ji has given the book.The two people i have mentioned one is Thakur ji and one who is no more was a highly spiritual person and great man.He was sant Lakhvir Singh Ji highly educated and saint and we say him baba ji who met pandit ji and told us about him.

 

Regards

 

Harpal Singh Narang

Narang --- On Mon, 1/25/10, kiranjit kumar <kapatjal wrote:

kiranjit kumar <kapatjal LALKITAB PRACHAR SAMITI LUDHIAN FUNCTION DATED 17-1-2010 Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 1:09 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

dear Narang ji,

 

Mr. Thakur's dedication to LK is admirable in view of the fact that he took all the pains to learn Urdu late in his life to read and understand LK. His analysis of Indira Gandhi with quotes of LK indeed makes a good reading.

Equally appreciable is your respect for Mr. Thakur.

The lecture of 17th makes interesting reading. But Narang ji, respected pundit ji never gifted the book free to any person. He would charge the printed price of every book --even the varshphal booklet ; to the penny--neither less nor more.

 

Lk does not need any prachar. Pundit ji had many many years to spread it after its publication in1952 He could have easily advertised it throughout the world through his followers.He chose not to do so.

 

With best wishes;

Sincerely,

Kumar