Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Sir, I beleive in one things that is Karmas, just like ten commandments laid down by the God to follow., and one who follows are protected by the God.But yes if one doesnt follow then he has to depend on his judgement, which may be right or wrong.e.g. the moderator decide which is printable or non printable issue.Hence just one should follow his own scripture.Like Lord Krishna has said "Do your duty,and leave the fruit for the god to give. Today i have met you, it is because of the good karmas i have done,that i have come across such lovable and nice people. Thanks Binode Kripalanisanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote: Resp. Prabhakar ji, Namaskar, Thanks for your reply. Sk - Please do not be so humble, so I may not be able to reciprocate. YRP - You need not to reciprocate at all, but it is my right and the teachings of my Gurus to give full respect to a scholar, kindly do not deprive me of this right. Sk – Now I can only say that my Guru ji also says that do not take any thing which you can not reciprocate. So I hope you may be very normal to me. Hi Ok, now our points 1 S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? P- (a) No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the destiny. S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence of event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do some remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? YRP - Respected Sir, suppose a person is destined to found a decent job, but can he/she afford to skip the interview? It is beyond anyone's power to stop rainfall, but what is wrong in protecting yourself under an umbrella? Knowing the future is just like the curiosity of a student who browse newspaper daily to see the result of his examination, and in my humble opinion It is not bad at all, because there are certain qualification examination for job seekers where participants are not informed individually. So if one forget to respond within time he/she may loose a potential chance of getting a job. Sk – At one side you are saying that we have no capacity to alter the destiny (refer P(1) above) and now you are saying that there is no wrong in protecting ourselves under an umbrella; Or browsing newspaper daily to see the result of his examination. Now, what do you say; Is it not destined that we will protect ourselves under an umbrella or we will read newspaper to see the result. I mean to say that are these actions are within our limit and not covered by destiny? 2 S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system say lal kitab? P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future event instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western, tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on? YRP - Sir, I have a bundle of arguments in favor, but I am bound by one of the dictum of this divine scripture called Lal Kitab that advised its followers never to criticize other streams of knowledge or its scholars to prove their point. I am reproducing the exact text in Roman Urdu: "Baat kee asliyat paaney ke liye, kisi doosrey ilm ya aalim ki badkhoyee se parhez chahiye." Sk – You have a bundle of arguments in favor, it means you are supporting LK and may not be in favour of other streams. OK. However I will like to say that analyzing any knowledge, system, principle etc. including LK is not criticism. Because only by analyzing we can improve our knowledge and can see the basic foundation. Suppose you have to advise a friend for his treatment through some doctor. Then will you not advise him best doctor, or will you like to say that I will not advise you because it is criticism of other doctors. So do not take it otherwise. We are only analyzing the systems. We are not creators of the principles but definitely want to know about the viability, science and logic of these predictive system. So I am putting 4th question. And it is a different issue if you do not want to open the gate of traditional astrology. It is up to you. 3 S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction can correctly be known? YRP - There are different principles/methods defined in Lal Kitab for different events, It will be more appropriate if you can pinpoint to a particular aspect. Sk- I offer you following categories for supporting LK principles, I mean to say that you may intimate any principle by which you can predict that A any horoscope belongs to Male or Female, because sex has very vital role in the life of some one (through out the world and in all religion), and it affect whole sequence of event. B When he will be married or just have sexual relationship. Do planet knows that it is marriage and it is sexual relationship without marriage? C How many marriages. Because in India we have mostly only one marriage and one partner for sexual relationship, where as Muslim countries have mostly more then one marriages at a time and western countries may mostly have more then one marriage (one by one) at a time but mostly have many partner for sexual relationship. So how any planet who is responsible for marriage know and affect as to who may have to lead with one wife, who may with more wives and who may have one by one many wives. D How many childrens (male or female) and when. How planet differentiate that a tribal man or osama may have more children then most of the persons of the world. E About his Education, profession, Finance and of-course about his death. 4 Sk – Do you think LK is scientifically correct or it is your faith on LK because Pt. Roop Chand Joshi ji belongs to Punjab (your state)? Regarding your observation "I joined this august group to learn from you and other scholars." I will like to say that we are churning predictive astrology and it is up to a member as whether he may be able to digest the nectar or not. Remember that nothing is personal and it is only academic discussion. Thanks for very good interaction and if you want then you can also pass it on to other forums/friends to support you. Beside this I am changing the heading for proper linking. Yours truly, Sanat PS : If members are reading these msgs then they may also take part with their views. Remember interaction is the only way to find the way and to streamline your views. So I will like to invite every member for interaction. They can also invite their astrologer/internet/forum friends to this forum or they may intimate their email to me on sanatkumar_jain (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com and I will personally invite them for interaction. , Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Respected Sabat Kumar Jain Sahib, > Sa'adar Pranaam > > I have answered under each of your question. > > Respectfully > Yograj Prabhakar > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > Namaskar, > Thanks for your reply. Please do not be so humble, so I may not be > able to reciprocate. > > YRP - You need not to reciprocate at all, but it is my right and the teachings of my Gurus to give full respect to a scholar, kindly do not deprive me of this right. > > Now I am digging further both points, which may trigger many points > in due course (like point no 3) > > 1 > S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? > P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > destiny. > > S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of > knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence of > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do some > remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? > > YRP - Respected Sir, suppose a person is destined to found a decent job, but can he/she afford to skip the interview? It is beyond anyone's power to stop rainfall, but what is wrong in protecting yourself under an umbrella? Knowing the future is just like the curiosity of a student who browse newspaper daily to see the result of his examination, and in my humble opinion It is not bad at all, because there are certain qualification examination for job seekers where participants are not informed individually. So if one forget to respond within time he/she may loose a potential chance of getting a job. > > 2 > S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system say > lal kitab? > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future event > instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western, > tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on? > > YRP - Sir, I have a bundle of arguments in favor, but I am bound by one of the dictum of this divine scripture called Lal Kitab that advised its followers never to criticize other streams of knowledge or its scholars to prove their point. I am > > reproducing the exact text in Roman Urdu: > > "Baat kee asliyat paaney ke liye, kisi doosrey ilm ya aalim ki badkhoyee se parhez > chahiye." > > 3 > S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction can > correctly be known? > > YRP - There are different principles/methods defined in Lal Kitab for different events, It will be more appropriate if you can pinpoint to a particular aspect. > > I Hope you will continue to share your views and we will slowly move > in this direction. > > YRP - Sir, I joined this august group to learn from you and other scholars. I will continue to share my views, whenever necessary. > > > Thanks, > > Yours truly, > Sanat > > > --- On Tue, 9/16/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote: > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain > Re: Welcome > > Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 11:00 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > Namaskar, > > Thanks for your reply. Please do not be so humble, so I may not be > > able to reciprocate. > > > > Now I am digging further both points, which may trigger many points > > in due course (like point no 3) > > > > 1 > > S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? > > P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > > destiny. > > > > S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of > > knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence of > > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do some > > remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? > > > > 2 > > S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system say > > lal kitab? > > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > > > > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future event > > instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western, > > tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on? > > > > 3 > > S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction can > > correctly be known? > > > > I Hope you will continue to share your views and we will slowly move > > in this direction. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Yours truly, > > Sanat > > > > PS: I am not receiving any reply from Sh. Ghopal ji, Nathani ji, > > Mark, Jagannathan ji, Vijayshankar ji since long. I hope they will > > come out with their comments instead of observing silence. They must > > support there stand logically, scientifically etc.. Otherwise there > > is no use of interaction and one may continue with his own system of > > exploitation if it is bread and butter for him. > > > > I will like to request other silent members to take part in > > interaction and they may join from this msg. it-self. There msg will > > immediately be entered in the forum without any interference from the > > moderator or if they have any problem even then they must come out so > > that their problem may be sorted out. > > > > I will also like to request Dr. Sasikumar Ji as to why "Department of > > Space" (which was once explored by our sages through ved, puran and > > came our with some physical structure of the Universe, though it may > > now be not acceptable.) is not coming forward to educate our society, > > which is in the grip of blind faith, created by predictive > > astrologers, through Doordarshan etc. Because it is also written in > > our constitution that Govt will develop scientific aptitude in the > > society. I hope to get his reply in due course. > > > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Sanat Kumar Ji > > > Sa'daar Pranaam. > > > > > > Sir, my humble answers to your questions: > > > "1 - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or > > variable?" > > > No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > > destiny. > > > > > > > > > "2 – Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system > > > > > > say lal kitab? > > > Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > > > > > > Respectfully > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 9/14/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote: > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> > > > Re: Welcome > > > > > > Sunday, September 14, 2008, 11:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. So let us start from your msg it-self. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not agree with your observation >>>>> I am a student of one of > > > > > > the most wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal > > > > > > Kitab.<<<<< Because every body is student means every body is > > > > > > learning some thing or other till death. So your comment is rather > > > > > > submissive in nature instead of factual position. Hi Hi. Because > > one > > > > > > may be student of Ph.D., but when he teach middle class student > > then > > > > > > he is teacher and he must have knowledge to answer the various > > > > > > questions of middle class. So for us you are respected teacher. > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, let us be serious. We in this forum (which is only forum of > > this > > > > > > type) are discussing scientific admissibility of any predictive / > > > > > > remedial astrological (related to planet) principals. So you can > > > > > > discuss astrology (you may read first msg of march-08) or Lal Kitab > > > > > > etc., as you please. > > > > > > > > > > > > To start with your Lal Kitab let us have some preliminary questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 – What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? > > > > > > 2 – Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system > > > > > > say lal kitab? > > > > > > > > > > > > I am waiting for your observations and on the basis of answer to > > > > > > these basic questions we will move further or even if you devise > > some > > > > > > other way for discussion. I have no objection. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope our discussion will be fruitful and you will continue to > > > > > > interact. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat > > > > > > Gwalior > > > > > > 0751-2626868 > > > > > > > > > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sanat Kumar jain Sahib, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your kind words, I am a student of one of the > > most > > > > > > wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal Kitab. The > > > > > > originator and author of this five divine scriptures is Pt. Roop > > > > > > Chand Joshi ji of village Pharwala (Distt Jalandhar) of Punjab. I > > > > > > joined this august group to learn from the vast experience of the > > > > > > luminaries present here, including your good-self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 9/11/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote: > > > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> > > > > > > > Welcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, September 11, 2008, 11:06 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As usual some new members have joined. I welcome all new members > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our forum. I find that this month some prominent members have > > > > > > joined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the forum. They are Mr. Mark Kincaid, Yograj Prabhakar, mindsutra > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > srajesh ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We welcome and hope that new members may please come forward > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their views on astrology after going through first msg of March- > > 08 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and some SOA______files in the file section. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are waiting for the observations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks once again for joining the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat Kumar Jain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gwalior > > > > > > > > > > > binode kripalani numerologist 9831664581(Kolkata) binodeuk binode_kripalani Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Dear Sanatji Pt. Roop Chand Joshi ji-you mentioned his name,is he the one responsible LalKitab? Really I am not aware except the name LalaKitab. I would like to apraise Mr.Prabhakar if the destiny is final,absolutely no 'parihaaram' can work ;rather should not work. Why at all we need to pursue the horoscope is to tell the native the suffering he/she undergoes can come to an end in a short while or so.It is to give him/her a moral boost and what else. Even Gandhi was reciprocated,why should we give a matinee idol treatment to Gurujis.The disciples of KSK have said that he asked us to improve the said principle,and he is reciprocated by nook and corner. You met Sanat ok ,Kriplani, " Today i have met you, it is because of the good karmas i have done,that i have come across such lovable and nice people. " but why this prasies;one day you would feel like abusing him;then!! So try to be yourself.I think this is also said by some big ppl. Regards tkp On 9/18/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote: Resp. Prabhakar ji,Namaskar,Thanks for your reply.Sk - Please do not be so humble, so I may not beable to reciprocate.YRP - You need not to reciprocate at all, but it is my right and the teachings of my Gurus to give full respect to a scholar, kindly do not deprive me of this right. Sk – Now I can only say that my Guru ji also says that do not take any thing which you can not reciprocate. So I hope you may be very normal to me. HiOk, now our points 1S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable?P- (a) No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter thedestiny.S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence ofevent is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do someremedy; say remedy of lal kitab?YRP - Respected Sir, suppose a person is destined to found a decent job, but can he/she afford to skip the interview? It is beyond anyone's power to stop rainfall, but what is wrong in protecting yourself under an umbrella? Knowing the future is just like the curiosity of a student who browse newspaper daily to see the result of his examination, and in my humble opinion It is not bad at all, because there are certain qualification examination for job seekers where participants are not informed individually. So if one forget to respond within time he/she may loose a potential chance of getting a job. Sk – At one side you are saying that we have no capacity to alter thedestiny (refer P(1) above) and now you are saying that there is no wrong in protecting ourselves under an umbrella; Or browsing newspaper daily to see the result of his examination. Now, what do you say; Is it not destined that we will protect ourselves under an umbrella or we will read newspaper to see the result. I mean to say that are these actions are within our limit and not covered by destiny?2S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system saylal kitab?P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles.S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future event instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western,tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on?YRP - Sir, I have a bundle of arguments in favor, but I am bound by one of the dictum of this divine scripture called Lal Kitab that advised its followers never to criticize other streams of knowledge or its scholars to prove their point. I am reproducing the exact text in Roman Urdu: " Baat kee asliyat paaney ke liye, kisi doosrey ilm ya aalim ki badkhoyee se parhez chahiye. " Sk – You have a bundle of arguments in favor, it means you are supporting LK and may not be in favour of other streams. OK. However I will like to say that analyzing any knowledge, system, principle etc. including LK is not criticism. Because only by analyzing we can improve our knowledge and can see the basic foundation. Suppose you have to advise a friend for his treatment through some doctor. Then will you not advise him best doctor, or will you like to say that I will not advise you because it is criticism of other doctors. So do not take it otherwise. We are only analyzing the systems. We are not creators of the principles but definitely want to know about the viability, science and logic of these predictive system. So I am putting 4th question. And it is a different issue if you do not want to open the gate of traditional astrology. It is up to you. 3S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction cancorrectly be known? YRP - There are different principles/methods defined in Lal Kitab for different events, It will be more appropriate if you can pinpoint to a particular aspect.Sk- I offer you following categories for supporting LK principles, I mean to say that you may intimate any principle by which you can predict thatA any horoscope belongs to Male or Female, because sex has very vital role in the life of some one (through out the world and in all religion), and it affect whole sequence of event.B When he will be married or just have sexual relationship. Do planet knows that it is marriage and it is sexual relationship without marriage?C How many marriages. Because in India we have mostly only one marriage and one partner for sexual relationship, where as Muslim countries have mostly more then one marriages at a time and western countries may mostly have more then one marriage (one by one) at a time but mostly have many partner for sexual relationship. So how any planet who is responsible for marriage know and affect as to who may have to lead with one wife, who may with more wives and who may have one by one many wives.D How many childrens (male or female) and when. How planet differentiate that a tribal man or osama may have more children then most of the persons of the world.E About his Education, profession, Finance and of-course about his death.4 Sk – Do you think LK is scientifically correct or it is your faith on LK because Pt. Roop Chand Joshi ji belongs to Punjab (your state)?Regarding your observation " I joined this august group to learn from you and other scholars. " I will like to say that we are churning predictive astrology and it is up to a member as whether he may be able to digest the nectar or not.Remember that nothing is personal and it is only academic discussion.Thanks for very good interaction and if you want then you can also pass it on to other forums/friends to support you. Beside this I am changing the heading for proper linking.Yours truly,SanatPS : If members are reading these msgs then they may also take part with their views. Remember interaction is the only way to find the way and to streamline your views. So I will like to invite every member for interaction. They can also invite their astrologer/internet/forum friends to this forum or they may intimate their email to me on sanatkumar_jain and I will personally invite them for interaction. , Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: >> Respected Sabat Kumar Jain Sahib,> Sa'adar Pranaam> > I have answered under each of your question.> > Respectfully> Yograj Prabhakar> > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > Namaskar,> Thanks for your reply. Please do not be so humble, so I may not be> able to reciprocate.> > YRP - You need not to reciprocate at all, but it is my right and the teachings of my Gurus to give full respect to a scholar, kindly do not deprive me of this right. > > Now I am digging further both points, which may trigger many points> in due course (like point no 3)> > 1> S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? > P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the> destiny.> > S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of> knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence of > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do some> remedy; say remedy of lal kitab?> > YRP - Respected Sir, suppose a person is destined to found a decent job, but can he/she afford to skip the interview? It is beyond anyone's power to stop rainfall, but what is wrong in protecting yourself under an umbrella? Knowing the future is just like the curiosity of a student who browse newspaper daily to see the result of his examination, and in my humble opinion It is not bad at all, because there are certain qualification examination for job seekers where participants are not informed individually. So if one forget to respond within time he/she may loose a potential chance of getting a job. > > 2> S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system say> lal kitab?> P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles.> > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future event > instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western,> tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on?> > YRP - Sir, I have a bundle of arguments in favor, but I am bound by one of the dictum of this divine scripture called Lal Kitab that advised its followers never to criticize other streams of knowledge or its scholars to prove their point. I am > > reproducing the exact text in Roman Urdu:> > " Baat kee asliyat paaney ke liye, kisi doosrey ilm ya aalim ki badkhoyee se parhez > chahiye. " > > 3> S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction can> correctly be known?> > YRP - There are different principles/methods defined in Lal Kitab for different events, It will be more appropriate if you can pinpoint to a particular aspect.> > I Hope you will continue to share your views and we will slowly move> in this direction.> > YRP - Sir, I joined this august group to learn from you and other scholars. I will continue to share my views, whenever necessary.> > > Thanks,> > Yours truly,> Sanat > > > --- On Tue, 9/16/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote:> sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain> Re: Welcome> > Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 11:00 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji,> > Namaskar,> > Thanks for your reply. Please do not be so humble, so I may not be > > able to reciprocate.> > > > Now I am digging further both points, which may trigger many points > > in due course (like point no 3)> > > > 1 > > S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable?> > P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > > destiny.> > > > S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of > > knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence of > > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do some > > remedy; say remedy of lal kitab?> > > > 2 > > S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system say > > lal kitab?> > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles.> > > > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future event > > instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western, > > tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on?> > > > 3> > S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction can > > correctly be known? > > > > I Hope you will continue to share your views and we will slowly move > > in this direction.> > > > Thanks,> > > > Yours truly, > > Sanat> > > > PS: I am not receiving any reply from Sh. Ghopal ji, Nathani ji, > > Mark, Jagannathan ji, Vijayshankar ji since long. I hope they will > > come out with their comments instead of observing silence. They must > > support there stand logically, scientifically etc.. Otherwise there > > is no use of interaction and one may continue with his own system of > > exploitation if it is bread and butter for him. > > > > I will like to request other silent members to take part in > > interaction and they may join from this msg. it-self. There msg will > > immediately be entered in the forum without any interference from the > > moderator or if they have any problem even then they must come out so > > that their problem may be sorted out.> > > > I will also like to request Dr. Sasikumar Ji as to why " Department of > > Space " (which was once explored by our sages through ved, puran and > > came our with some physical structure of the Universe, though it may > > now be not acceptable.) is not coming forward to educate our society, > > which is in the grip of blind faith, created by predictive > > astrologers, through Doordarshan etc. Because it is also written in > > our constitution that Govt will develop scientific aptitude in the > > society. I hope to get his reply in due course.> > > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > >> > > Respected Sanat Kumar Ji> > > Sa'daar Pranaam.> > > > > > Sir, my humble answers to your questions:> > > " 1 - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or > > variable? " > > > No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > > destiny.> > > > > > > > > " 2 – Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system > > > > > > say lal kitab?> > > Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles.> > > > > > Respectfully> > > Yograj Prabhakar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 9/14/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote:> > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> > > > Re: Welcome> > > > > > Sunday, September 14, 2008, 11:09 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji,> > > > > > Namaskar,> > > > > > Thanks for your reply. So let us start from your msg it-self.> > > > > > > > > > > > I am not agree with your observation >>>>> I am a student of one of > > > > > > the most wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal > > > > > > Kitab.<<<<< Because every body is student means every body is > > > > > > learning some thing or other till death. So your comment is rather > > > > > > submissive in nature instead of factual position. Hi Hi. Because > > one > > > > > > may be student of Ph.D., but when he teach middle class student > > then > > > > > > he is teacher and he must have knowledge to answer the various > > > > > > questions of middle class. So for us you are respected teacher. > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, let us be serious. We in this forum (which is only forum of > > this > > > > > > type) are discussing scientific admissibility of any predictive / > > > > > > remedial astrological (related to planet) principals. So you can > > > > > > discuss astrology (you may read first msg of march-08) or Lal Kitab > > > > > > etc., as you please.> > > > > > > > > > > > To start with your Lal Kitab let us have some preliminary questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 – What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable?> > > > > > 2 – Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system > > > > > > say lal kitab?> > > > > > > > > > > > I am waiting for your observations and on the basis of answer to > > > > > > these basic questions we will move further or even if you devise > > some > > > > > > other way for discussion. I have no objection. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope our discussion will be fruitful and you will continue to > > > > > > interact.> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you,> > > > > > Yours truly,> > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat > > > > > > Gwalior> > > > > > 0751-2626868> > > > > > > > > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Respected Sanat Kumar jain Sahib,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your kind words, I am a student of one of the > > most > > > > > > wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal Kitab. The > > > > > > originator and author of this five divine scriptures is Pt. Roop > > > > > > Chand Joshi ji of village Pharwala (Distt Jalandhar) of Punjab. I > > > > > > joined this august group to learn from the vast experience of the > > > > > > luminaries present here, including your good-self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully> > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 9/11/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote:> > > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@>> > > > > > > Welcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, September 11, 2008, 11:06 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Members,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > As usual some new members have joined. I welcome all new members > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our forum. I find that this month some prominent members have > > > > > > joined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the forum. They are Mr. Mark Kincaid, Yograj Prabhakar, mindsutra > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > srajesh ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We welcome and hope that new members may please come forward > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their views on astrology after going through first msg of March-> > 08 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and some SOA______files in the file section. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are waiting for the observations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks once again for joining the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat Kumar Jain> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gwalior> > > > > > >> > >> -- TKP Ghopal32.2/40 Rajaratnam St.,Riverside Road, I Agraharam,SALEM-636 00193666 23444 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Dear Kripalani, Thanks for your msg. and we welcome you in our forum. Hope you will enjoy with a difference. Though you have supported Karma theory but I think that personally you are not believing in Karm. As you have generated a mind set that number will do every thing for you keeping aside your knowledge and karm. So you have fallen in another trap. Remember there are so many traps created for livelihood, recognition, publicity etc. So you have to be very logical, scientific and rational for saving your self. Strengthen your will power, knowledge, skill, self-confidence, patience and in last satisfaction. Waiting for your comments on my first msg " astrology a science or myth " and various SOA_____ files and so on. Hope you will continue to share your views. Remember, nothing is personal and it is academic discussion. Thanks Yours truly, Sanat PS : We are still waiting for the comments of Sh. Prabhakar ji, who was very prompt in replying. We hope he may be quite OK. If he has no reply then please do not bother. Only try to find out the answer. Read " Astrology a science or myth " . Story of Sh. Nathani ji, is also the same and he is observing long silence only in this forum, whereas he is active in other forums. We hope he will also turn up in due course. , vasdev kripalani udharam <binnumero wrote: > > Sir, > I beleive in one things that is Karmas, just like ten commandments laid down by the God to follow., and one who follows are protected by the God.But yes if one doesnt follow then he has to depend on his judgement, which may be right or wrong.e.g. the moderator decide which is printable or non printable issue.Hence just one should follow his own scripture.Like Lord Krishna has said " Do your duty,and leave the fruit for the god to give. > Today i have met you, it is because of the good karmas i have done,that i have come across such lovable and nice people. > Thanks > Binode Kripalani > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote: Resp. Prabhakar ji, > Namaskar, > Thanks for your reply. > > Sk - Please do not be so humble, so I may not be > able to reciprocate. > YRP - You need not to reciprocate at all, but it is my right and the > teachings of my Gurus to give full respect to a scholar, kindly do > not deprive me of this right. > Sk – Now I can only say that my Guru ji also says that do not take > any thing which you can not reciprocate. So I hope you may be very > normal to me. Hi > > Ok, now our points > > 1 > S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? > P- (a) No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter > the > destiny. > S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of > knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence of > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do some > remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? > YRP - Respected Sir, suppose a person is destined to found a decent > job, but can he/she afford to skip the interview? It is beyond > anyone's power to stop rainfall, but what is wrong in protecting > yourself under an umbrella? Knowing the future is just like the > curiosity of a student who browse newspaper daily to see the result > of his examination, and in my humble opinion It is not bad at all, > because there are certain qualification examination for job seekers > where participants are not informed individually. So if one forget to > respond within time he/she may loose a potential chance of getting a > job. > > Sk – At one side you are saying that we have no capacity to alter the > destiny (refer P(1) above) and now you are saying that there is no > wrong in protecting ourselves under an umbrella; Or browsing > newspaper daily to see the result of his examination. Now, what do > you say; Is it not destined that we will protect ourselves under an > umbrella or we will read newspaper to see the result. I mean to say > that are these actions are within our limit and not covered by > destiny? > > 2 > S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system say > lal kitab? > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future event > instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western, > tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on? > YRP - Sir, I have a bundle of arguments in favor, but I am bound by > one of the dictum of this divine scripture called Lal Kitab that > advised its followers never to criticize other streams of knowledge > or its scholars to prove their point. I am reproducing the exact text > in Roman Urdu: " Baat kee asliyat paaney ke liye, kisi doosrey ilm ya > aalim ki badkhoyee se parhez chahiye. " > > Sk – You have a bundle of arguments in favor, it means you are > supporting LK and may not be in favour of other streams. OK. However > I will like to say that analyzing any knowledge, system, principle > etc. including LK is not criticism. Because only by analyzing we can > improve our knowledge and can see the basic foundation. Suppose you > have to advise a friend for his treatment through some doctor. Then > will you not advise him best doctor, or will you like to say that I > will not advise you because it is criticism of other doctors. So do > not take it otherwise. We are only analyzing the systems. We are not > creators of the principles but definitely want to know about the > viability, science and logic of these predictive system. So I am > putting 4th question. And it is a different issue if you do not want > to open the gate of traditional astrology. It is up to you. > > 3 > S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction can > correctly be known? > YRP - There are different principles/methods defined in Lal Kitab for > different events, It will be more appropriate if you can pinpoint to > a particular aspect. > Sk- I offer you following categories for supporting LK principles, I > mean to say that you may intimate any principle by which you can > predict that > > A any horoscope belongs to Male or Female, because sex has very vital > role in the life of some one (through out the world and in all > religion), and it affect whole sequence of event. > B When he will be married or just have sexual relationship. Do planet > knows that it is marriage and it is sexual relationship without > marriage? > C How many marriages. Because in India we have mostly only one > marriage and one partner for sexual relationship, where as Muslim > countries have mostly more then one marriages at a time and western > countries may mostly have more then one marriage (one by one) at a > time but mostly have many partner for sexual relationship. So how any > planet who is responsible for marriage know and affect as to who may > have to lead with one wife, who may with more wives and who may have > one by one many wives. > D How many childrens (male or female) and when. How planet > differentiate that a tribal man or osama may have more children then > most of the persons of the world. > E About his Education, profession, Finance and of-course about his > death. > > 4 > Sk – Do you think LK is scientifically correct or it is your faith on > LK because Pt. Roop Chand Joshi ji belongs to Punjab (your state)? > > Regarding your observation " I joined this august group to learn from > you and other scholars. " I will like to say that we are churning > predictive astrology and it is up to a member as whether he may be > able to digest the nectar or not. > > Remember that nothing is personal and it is only academic discussion. > Thanks for very good interaction and if you want then you can also > pass it on to other forums/friends to support you. Beside this I am > changing the heading for proper linking. > > Yours truly, > Sanat > > PS : If members are reading these msgs then they may also take part > with their views. Remember interaction is the only way to find the > way and to streamline your views. So I will like to invite every > member for interaction. They can also invite their > astrologer/internet/forum friends to this forum or they may intimate > their email to me on sanatkumar_jain and I will > personally invite them for interaction. > > , Yograj Prabhakar > <yr_prabhakar@> wrote: > > > > Respected Sabat Kumar Jain Sahib, > > Sa'adar Pranaam > > > > I have answered under each of your question. > > > > Respectfully > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > Namaskar, > > Thanks for your reply. Please do not be so humble, so I may not be > > able to reciprocate. > > > > YRP - You need not to reciprocate at all, but it is my right and > the teachings of my Gurus to give full respect to a scholar, kindly > do not deprive me of this right. > > > > Now I am digging further both points, which may trigger many points > > in due course (like point no 3) > > > > 1 > > S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? > > P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > > destiny. > > > > S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of > > knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence of > > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do > some > > remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? > > > > YRP - Respected Sir, suppose a person is destined to found a decent > job, but can he/she afford to skip the interview? It is beyond > anyone's power to stop rainfall, but what is wrong in protecting > yourself under an umbrella? Knowing the future is just like the > curiosity of a student who browse newspaper daily to see the result > of his examination, and in my humble opinion It is not bad at all, > because there are certain qualification examination for job seekers > where participants are not informed individually. So if one forget to > respond within time he/she may loose a potential chance of getting a > job. > > > > 2 > > S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system > say > > lal kitab? > > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > > > > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future event > > instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western, > > tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on? > > > > YRP - Sir, I have a bundle of arguments in favor, but I am bound by > one of the dictum of this divine scripture called Lal Kitab that > advised its followers never to criticize other streams of knowledge > or its scholars to prove their point. I am > > > > reproducing the exact text in Roman Urdu: > > > > " Baat kee asliyat paaney ke liye, kisi doosrey ilm ya aalim ki > badkhoyee se parhez > > chahiye. " > > > > 3 > > S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction can > > correctly be known? > > > > YRP - There are different principles/methods defined in Lal Kitab > for different events, It will be more appropriate if you can pinpoint > to a particular aspect. > > > > I Hope you will continue to share your views and we will slowly move > > in this direction. > > > > YRP - Sir, I joined this august group to learn from you and other > scholars. I will continue to share my views, whenever necessary. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Yours truly, > > Sanat > > > > > > --- On Tue, 9/16/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote: > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain@> > > Re: Welcome > > > > Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 11:00 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > > > Namaskar, > > > > Thanks for your reply. Please do not be so humble, so I may not be > > > > able to reciprocate. > > > > > > > > Now I am digging further both points, which may trigger many points > > > > in due course (like point no 3) > > > > > > > > 1 > > > > S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? > > > > P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > > > > destiny. > > > > > > > > S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of > > > > knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence of > > > > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do > some > > > > remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? > > > > > > > > 2 > > > > S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system > say > > > > lal kitab? > > > > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > > > > > > > > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future event > > > > instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western, > > > > tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on? > > > > > > > > 3 > > > > S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction can > > > > correctly be known? > > > > > > > > I Hope you will continue to share your views and we will slowly > move > > > > in this direction. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > PS: I am not receiving any reply from Sh. Ghopal ji, Nathani ji, > > > > Mark, Jagannathan ji, Vijayshankar ji since long. I hope they will > > > > come out with their comments instead of observing silence. They > must > > > > support there stand logically, scientifically etc.. Otherwise there > > > > is no use of interaction and one may continue with his own system > of > > > > exploitation if it is bread and butter for him. > > > > > > > > I will like to request other silent members to take part in > > > > interaction and they may join from this msg. it-self. There msg > will > > > > immediately be entered in the forum without any interference from > the > > > > moderator or if they have any problem even then they must come out > so > > > > that their problem may be sorted out. > > > > > > > > I will also like to request Dr. Sasikumar Ji as to why " Department > of > > > > Space " (which was once explored by our sages through ved, puran and > > > > came our with some physical structure of the Universe, though it > may > > > > now be not acceptable.) is not coming forward to educate our > society, > > > > which is in the grip of blind faith, created by predictive > > > > astrologers, through Doordarshan etc. Because it is also written in > > > > our constitution that Govt will develop scientific aptitude in the > > > > society. I hope to get his reply in due course. > > > > > > > > > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > > > <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sanat Kumar Ji > > > > > Sa'daar Pranaam. > > > > > > > > > > Sir, my humble answers to your questions: > > > > > " 1 - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or > > > > variable? " > > > > > No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > > > > destiny. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " 2 – Is it possible to know any event of the future with any > system > > > > > > > > > > say lal kitab? > > > > > Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 9/14/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote: > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> > > > > > Re: Welcome > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 14, 2008, 11:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. So let us start from your msg it-self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not agree with your observation >>>>> I am a student of one > of > > > > > > > > > > the most wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal > > > > > > > > > > Kitab.<<<<< Because every body is student means every body is > > > > > > > > > > learning some thing or other till death. So your comment is > rather > > > > > > > > > > submissive in nature instead of factual position. Hi Hi. Because > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > may be student of Ph.D., but when he teach middle class student > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > he is teacher and he must have knowledge to answer the various > > > > > > > > > > questions of middle class. So for us you are respected teacher. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, let us be serious. We in this forum (which is only forum of > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > type) are discussing scientific admissibility of any predictive / > > > > > > > > > > remedial astrological (related to planet) principals. So you can > > > > > > > > > > discuss astrology (you may read first msg of march-08) or Lal > Kitab > > > > > > > > > > etc., as you please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To start with your Lal Kitab let us have some preliminary > questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 – What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or > variable? > > > > > > > > > > 2 – Is it possible to know any event of the future with any > system > > > > > > > > > > say lal kitab? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am waiting for your observations and on the basis of answer to > > > > > > > > > > these basic questions we will move further or even if you devise > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > other way for discussion. I have no objection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope our discussion will be fruitful and you will continue to > > > > > > > > > > interact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > > Gwalior > > > > > > > > > > 0751-2626868 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sanat Kumar jain Sahib, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your kind words, I am a student of one of the > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal Kitab. The > > > > > > > > > > originator and author of this five divine scriptures is Pt. Roop > > > > > > > > > > Chand Joshi ji of village Pharwala (Distt Jalandhar) of Punjab. I > > > > > > > > > > joined this august group to learn from the vast experience of the > > > > > > > > > > luminaries present here, including your good-self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > > > > > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 9/11/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, September 11, 2008, 11:06 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As usual some new members have joined. I welcome all new > members > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our forum. I find that this month some prominent members have > > > > > > > > > > joined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the forum. They are Mr. Mark Kincaid, Yograj Prabhakar, > mindsutra > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > srajesh ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We welcome and hope that new members may please come forward > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their views on astrology after going through first msg of March- > > > > 08 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and some SOA______files in the file section. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are waiting for the observations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks once again for joining the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat Kumar Jain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gwalior > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > binode kripalani > numerologist 9831664581(Kolkata) > binodeuk > binode_kripalani > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Respected Sanat Kumar Jain jiSir, I am well and alive, was over busy due to heavy workload at my office. I have answered your previous mail separately. Thanks for your concern. RespectfullyYograj Prabhakar--- On Sun, 9/21/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote:sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain Re: Lal kitab Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 11:07 PM Dear Kripalani, Thanks for your msg. and we welcome you in our forum. Hope you will enjoy with a difference. Though you have supported Karma theory but I think that personally you are not believing in Karm. As you have generated a mind set that number will do every thing for you keeping aside your knowledge and karm. So you have fallen in another trap. Remember there are so many traps created for livelihood, recognition, publicity etc. So you have to be very logical, scientific and rational for saving your self. Strengthen your will power, knowledge, skill, self-confidence, patience and in last satisfaction. Waiting for your comments on my first msg "astrology a science or myth" and various SOA_____ files and so on. Hope you will continue to share your views. Remember, nothing is personal and it is academic discussion. Thanks Yours truly, Sanat PS : We are still waiting for the comments of Sh. Prabhakar ji, who was very prompt in replying. We hope he may be quite OK. If he has no reply then please do not bother. Only try to find out the answer. Read "Astrology a science or myth". Story of Sh. Nathani ji, is also the same and he is observing long silence only in this forum, whereas he is active in other forums. We hope he will also turn up in due course. , vasdev kripalani udharam <binnumero@. ..> wrote: > > Sir, > I beleive in one things that is Karmas, just like ten commandments laid down by the God to follow., and one who follows are protected by the God.But yes if one doesnt follow then he has to depend on his judgement, which may be right or wrong.e.g. the moderator decide which is printable or non printable issue.Hence just one should follow his own scripture.Like Lord Krishna has said "Do your duty,and leave the fruit for the god to give. > Today i have met you, it is because of the good karmas i have done,that i have come across such lovable and nice people. > Thanks > Binode Kripalani > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain wrote: Resp. Prabhakar ji, > Namaskar, > Thanks for your reply. > > Sk - Please do not be so humble, so I may not be > able to reciprocate. > YRP - You need not to reciprocate at all, but it is my right and the > teachings of my Gurus to give full respect to a scholar, kindly do > not deprive me of this right. > Sk – Now I can only say that my Guru ji also says that do not take > any thing which you can not reciprocate. So I hope you may be very > normal to me. Hi > > Ok, now our points > > 1 > S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? > P- (a) No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter > the > destiny. > S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of > knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence of > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do some > remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? > YRP - Respected Sir, suppose a person is destined to found a decent > job, but can he/she afford to skip the interview? It is beyond > anyone's power to stop rainfall, but what is wrong in protecting > yourself under an umbrella? Knowing the future is just like the > curiosity of a student who browse newspaper daily to see the result > of his examination, and in my humble opinion It is not bad at all, > because there are certain qualification examination for job seekers > where participants are not informed individually. So if one forget to > respond within time he/she may loose a potential chance of getting a > job. > > Sk – At one side you are saying that we have no capacity to alter the > destiny (refer P(1) above) and now you are saying that there is no > wrong in protecting ourselves under an umbrella; Or browsing > newspaper daily to see the result of his examination. Now, what do > you say; Is it not destined that we will protect ourselves under an > umbrella or we will read newspaper to see the result. I mean to say > that are these actions are within our limit and not covered by > destiny? > > 2 > S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system say > lal kitab? > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future event > instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western, > tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on? > YRP - Sir, I have a bundle of arguments in favor, but I am bound by > one of the dictum of this divine scripture called Lal Kitab that > advised its followers never to criticize other streams of knowledge > or its scholars to prove their point. I am reproducing the exact text > in Roman Urdu: "Baat kee asliyat paaney ke liye, kisi doosrey ilm ya > aalim ki badkhoyee se parhez chahiye." > > Sk – You have a bundle of arguments in favor, it means you are > supporting LK and may not be in favour of other streams. OK. However > I will like to say that analyzing any knowledge, system, principle > etc. including LK is not criticism. Because only by analyzing we can > improve our knowledge and can see the basic foundation. Suppose you > have to advise a friend for his treatment through some doctor. Then > will you not advise him best doctor, or will you like to say that I > will not advise you because it is criticism of other doctors. So do > not take it otherwise. We are only analyzing the systems. We are not > creators of the principles but definitely want to know about the > viability, science and logic of these predictive system. So I am > putting 4th question. And it is a different issue if you do not want > to open the gate of traditional astrology. It is up to you. > > 3 > S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction can > correctly be known? > YRP - There are different principles/methods defined in Lal Kitab for > different events, It will be more appropriate if you can pinpoint to > a particular aspect. > Sk- I offer you following categories for supporting LK principles, I > mean to say that you may intimate any principle by which you can > predict that > > A any horoscope belongs to Male or Female, because sex has very vital > role in the life of some one (through out the world and in all > religion), and it affect whole sequence of event. > B When he will be married or just have sexual relationship. Do planet > knows that it is marriage and it is sexual relationship without > marriage? > C How many marriages. Because in India we have mostly only one > marriage and one partner for sexual relationship, where as Muslim > countries have mostly more then one marriages at a time and western > countries may mostly have more then one marriage (one by one) at a > time but mostly have many partner for sexual relationship. So how any > planet who is responsible for marriage know and affect as to who may > have to lead with one wife, who may with more wives and who may have > one by one many wives. > D How many childrens (male or female) and when. How planet > differentiate that a tribal man or osama may have more children then > most of the persons of the world. > E About his Education, profession, Finance and of-course about his > death. > > 4 > Sk – Do you think LK is scientifically correct or it is your faith on > LK because Pt. Roop Chand Joshi ji belongs to Punjab (your state)? > > Regarding your observation "I joined this august group to learn from > you and other scholars." I will like to say that we are churning > predictive astrology and it is up to a member as whether he may be > able to digest the nectar or not. > > Remember that nothing is personal and it is only academic discussion. > Thanks for very good interaction and if you want then you can also > pass it on to other forums/friends to support you. Beside this I am > changing the heading for proper linking. > > Yours truly, > Sanat > > PS : If members are reading these msgs then they may also take part > with their views. Remember interaction is the only way to find the > way and to streamline your views. So I will like to invite every > member for interaction. They can also invite their > astrologer/internet /forum friends to this forum or they may intimate > their email to me on sanatkumar_jain@ ... and I will > personally invite them for interaction. > > , Yograj Prabhakar > <yr_prabhakar@ > wrote: > > > > Respected Sabat Kumar Jain Sahib, > > Sa'adar Pranaam > > > > I have answered under each of your question. > > > > Respectfully > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > Namaskar, > > Thanks for your reply. Please do not be so humble, so I may not be > > able to reciprocate. > > > > YRP - You need not to reciprocate at all, but it is my right and > the teachings of my Gurus to give full respect to a scholar, kindly > do not deprive me of this right. > > > > Now I am digging further both points, which may trigger many points > > in due course (like point no 3) > > > > 1 > > S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? > > P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > > destiny. > > > > S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of > > knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence of > > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do > some > > remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? > > > > YRP - Respected Sir, suppose a person is destined to found a decent > job, but can he/she afford to skip the interview? It is beyond > anyone's power to stop rainfall, but what is wrong in protecting > yourself under an umbrella? Knowing the future is just like the > curiosity of a student who browse newspaper daily to see the result > of his examination, and in my humble opinion It is not bad at all, > because there are certain qualification examination for job seekers > where participants are not informed individually. So if one forget to > respond within time he/she may loose a potential chance of getting a > job. > > > > 2 > > S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system > say > > lal kitab? > > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > > > > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future event > > instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western, > > tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on? > > > > YRP - Sir, I have a bundle of arguments in favor, but I am bound by > one of the dictum of this divine scripture called Lal Kitab that > advised its followers never to criticize other streams of knowledge > or its scholars to prove their point. I am > > > > reproducing the exact text in Roman Urdu: > > > > "Baat kee asliyat paaney ke liye, kisi doosrey ilm ya aalim ki > badkhoyee se parhez > > chahiye." > > > > 3 > > S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction can > > correctly be known? > > > > YRP - There are different principles/methods defined in Lal Kitab > for different events, It will be more appropriate if you can pinpoint > to a particular aspect. > > > > I Hope you will continue to share your views and we will slowly move > > in this direction. > > > > YRP - Sir, I joined this august group to learn from you and other > scholars. I will continue to share my views, whenever necessary. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Yours truly, > > Sanat > > > > > > --- On Tue, 9/16/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote: > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> > > Re: Welcome > > > > Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 11:00 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > > > Namaskar, > > > > Thanks for your reply. Please do not be so humble, so I may not be > > > > able to reciprocate. > > > > > > > > Now I am digging further both points, which may trigger many points > > > > in due course (like point no 3) > > > > > > > > 1 > > > > S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? > > > > P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > > > > destiny. > > > > > > > > S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of > > > > knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence of > > > > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do > some > > > > remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? > > > > > > > > 2 > > > > S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system > say > > > > lal kitab? > > > > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > > > > > > > > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future event > > > > instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western, > > > > tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on? > > > > > > > > 3 > > > > S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction can > > > > correctly be known? > > > > > > > > I Hope you will continue to share your views and we will slowly > move > > > > in this direction. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > PS: I am not receiving any reply from Sh. Ghopal ji, Nathani ji, > > > > Mark, Jagannathan ji, Vijayshankar ji since long. I hope they will > > > > come out with their comments instead of observing silence. They > must > > > > support there stand logically, scientifically etc.. Otherwise there > > > > is no use of interaction and one may continue with his own system > of > > > > exploitation if it is bread and butter for him. > > > > > > > > I will like to request other silent members to take part in > > > > interaction and they may join from this msg. it-self. There msg > will > > > > immediately be entered in the forum without any interference from > the > > > > moderator or if they have any problem even then they must come out > so > > > > that their problem may be sorted out. > > > > > > > > I will also like to request Dr. Sasikumar Ji as to why "Department > of > > > > Space" (which was once explored by our sages through ved, puran and > > > > came our with some physical structure of the Universe, though it > may > > > > now be not acceptable.) is not coming forward to educate our > society, > > > > which is in the grip of blind faith, created by predictive > > > > astrologers, through Doordarshan etc. Because it is also written in > > > > our constitution that Govt will develop scientific aptitude in the > > > > society. I hope to get his reply in due course. > > > > > > > > > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > > > <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sanat Kumar Ji > > > > > Sa'daar Pranaam. > > > > > > > > > > Sir, my humble answers to your questions: > > > > > "1 - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or > > > > variable?" > > > > > No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > > > > destiny. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "2 – Is it possible to know any event of the future with any > system > > > > > > > > > > say lal kitab? > > > > > Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 9/14/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote: > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> > > > > > Re: Welcome > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 14, 2008, 11:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. So let us start from your msg it-self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not agree with your observation >>>>> I am a student of one > of > > > > > > > > > > the most wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal > > > > > > > > > > Kitab.<<<<< Because every body is student means every body is > > > > > > > > > > learning some thing or other till death. So your comment is > rather > > > > > > > > > > submissive in nature instead of factual position. Hi Hi. Because > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > may be student of Ph.D., but when he teach middle class student > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > he is teacher and he must have knowledge to answer the various > > > > > > > > > > questions of middle class. So for us you are respected teacher. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, let us be serious. We in this forum (which is only forum of > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > type) are discussing scientific admissibility of any predictive / > > > > > > > > > > remedial astrological (related to planet) principals. So you can > > > > > > > > > > discuss astrology (you may read first msg of march-08) or Lal > Kitab > > > > > > > > > > etc., as you please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To start with your Lal Kitab let us have some preliminary > questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 – What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or > variable? > > > > > > > > > > 2 – Is it possible to know any event of the future with any > system > > > > > > > > > > say lal kitab? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am waiting for your observations and on the basis of answer to > > > > > > > > > > these basic questions we will move further or even if you devise > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > other way for discussion. I have no objection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope our discussion will be fruitful and you will continue to > > > > > > > > > > interact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > > Gwalior > > > > > > > > > > 0751-2626868 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sanat Kumar jain Sahib, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your kind words, I am a student of one of the > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal Kitab. The > > > > > > > > > > originator and author of this five divine scriptures is Pt. Roop > > > > > > > > > > Chand Joshi ji of village Pharwala (Distt Jalandhar) of Punjab. I > > > > > > > > > > joined this august group to learn from the vast experience of the > > > > > > > > > > luminaries present here, including your good-self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > > > > > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 9/11/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, September 11, 2008, 11:06 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As usual some new members have joined. I welcome all new > members > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our forum. I find that this month some prominent members have > > > > > > > > > > joined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the forum. They are Mr. Mark Kincaid, Yograj Prabhakar, > mindsutra > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > srajesh ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We welcome and hope that new members may please come forward > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their views on astrology after going through first msg of March- > > > > 08 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and some SOA______files in the file section. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are waiting for the observations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks once again for joining the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat Kumar Jain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gwalior > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > binode kripalani > numerologist 9831664581(Kolkata) > binodeuk > binode_kripalani@ ... > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Respected Sanat Jain ji, Namaskar I am sorry for responding late as I was over busy during the last few days due to heavy workload. My answers are right below your questions. , " sanat2221 " <sanatkumar_jain wrote: > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > Namaskar, > Thanks for your reply. > > Sk - Please do not be so humble, so I may not be > able to reciprocate. > YRP - You need not to reciprocate at all, but it is my right and the > teachings of my Gurus to give full respect to a scholar, kindly do > not deprive me of this right. > Sk – Now I can only say that my Guru ji also says that do not take > any thing which you can not reciprocate. So I hope you may be very > normal to me. Hi My answer : As you please sir. > > Ok, now our points > > 1 > S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? > P- (a) No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter > the > destiny. > S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of > knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence of > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do some > remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? > YRP - Respected Sir, suppose a person is destined to found a decent > job, but can he/she afford to skip the interview? It is beyond > anyone's power to stop rainfall, but what is wrong in protecting > yourself under an umbrella? Knowing the future is just like the > curiosity of a student who browse newspaper daily to see the result > of his examination, and in my humble opinion It is not bad at all, > because there are certain qualification examination for job seekers > where participants are not informed individually. So if one forget to > respond within time he/she may loose a potential chance of getting a > job. > > Sk – At one side you are saying that we have no capacity to alter the > destiny (refer P(1) above) and now you are saying that there is no > wrong in protecting ourselves under an umbrella; Or browsing > newspaper daily to see the result of his examination. Now, what do > you say; Is it not destined that we will protect ourselves under an > umbrella or we will read newspaper to see the result. I mean to say > that are these actions are within our limit and not covered by > destiny? My answer : Although destiny is fixed, but What is wrong in protecting yourself? What one should do if someone from the family suffers a massive heart attack? is it against the destiny to give him artificial breaths? Is this the violation of some divine dictum? > 2 > S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system say > lal kitab? > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future event > instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western, > tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on? > YRP - Sir, I have a bundle of arguments in favor, but I am bound by > one of the dictum of this divine scripture called Lal Kitab that > advised its followers never to criticize other streams of knowledge > or its scholars to prove their point. I am reproducing the exact text > in Roman Urdu: " Baat kee asliyat paaney ke liye, kisi doosrey ilm ya > aalim ki badkhoyee se parhez chahiye. " > > Sk – You have a bundle of arguments in favor, it means you are > supporting LK and may not be in favour of other streams. OK. However > I will like to say that analyzing any knowledge, system, principle > etc. including LK is not criticism. Because only by analyzing we can > improve our knowledge and can see the basic foundation. Suppose you > have to advise a friend for his treatment through some doctor. Then > will you not advise him best doctor, or will you like to say that I > will not advise you because it is criticism of other doctors. So do > not take it otherwise. We are only analyzing the systems. We are not > creators of the principles but definitely want to know about the > viability, science and logic of these predictive system. So I am > putting 4th question. And it is a different issue if you do not want > to open the gate of traditional astrology. It is up to you. Amy answer: I am neither supporting nor rejecting any stream of knowledge, if my words suggests so - I am sorry. > > 3 > S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction can > correctly be known? > YRP - There are different principles/methods defined in Lal Kitab for > different events, It will be more appropriate if you can pinpoint to > a particular aspect. > Sk- I offer you following categories for supporting LK principles, I > mean to say that you may intimate any principle by which you can > predict that > > A any horoscope belongs to Male or Female, because sex has very vital > role in the life of some one (through out the world and in all > religion), and it affect whole sequence of event. > B When he will be married or just have sexual relationship. Do planet > knows that it is marriage and it is sexual relationship without > marriage? > C How many marriages. Because in India we have mostly only one > marriage and one partner for sexual relationship, where as Muslim > countries have mostly more then one marriages at a time and western > countries may mostly have more then one marriage (one by one) at a > time but mostly have many partner for sexual relationship. So how any > planet who is responsible for marriage know and affect as to who may > have to lead with one wife, who may with more wives and who may have > one by one many wives. > D How many childrens (male or female) and when. How planet > differentiate that a tribal man or osama may have more children then > most of the persons of the world. > E About his Education, profession, Finance and of-course about his > death. My answer : I am not aware if there is some specific principles to find the sex of the native through Lal Kitab. But time of marriage, number of marriages, sexual relations, number of kids, education, profession and finance and death can be predicted. Regarding the rest of your points, I am still learning these things, once I found the answers I will share with this august forum. If you really want to know the answers, I would request you to procure the original books and study for a couple of years. > > 4 > Sk – Do you think LK is scientifically correct or it is your faith on > LK because Pt. Roop Chand Joshi ji belongs to Punjab (your state)? > > Regarding your observation " I joined this august group to learn from > you and other scholars. " I will like to say that we are churning > predictive astrology and it is up to a member as whether he may be > able to digest the nectar or not. My answer : For me, faith is greater than any science of the universe. By the ways, not only Lal Kitab but Sri Bhagwat Geeta too came into being on the sacred land from where I belong. And I am proud of it - but certainly not Biased, rest asured. > Remember that nothing is personal and it is only academic discussion. > Thanks for very good interaction and if you want then you can also > pass it on to other forums/friends to support you. Beside this I am > changing the heading for proper linking. My answer : I wish you good luck for your endeavors. My services for the cause are available to you 24x7. > Yours truly, > Sanat > > PS : If members are reading these msgs then they may also take part > with their views. Remember interaction is the only way to find the > way and to streamline your views. So I will like to invite every > member for interaction. They can also invite their > astrologer/internet/forum friends to this forum or they may intimate > their email to me on sanatkumar_jain and I will > personally invite them for interaction. Respectfully Yograj Prabakar > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > <yr_prabhakar@> wrote: > > > > Respected Sabat Kumar Jain Sahib, > > Sa'adar Pranaam > > > > I have answered under each of your question. > > > > Respectfully > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > Namaskar, > > Thanks for your reply. Please do not be so humble, so I may not be > > able to reciprocate. > > > > YRP - You need not to reciprocate at all, but it is my right and > the teachings of my Gurus to give full respect to a scholar, kindly > do not deprive me of this right. > > > > Now I am digging further both points, which may trigger many points > > in due course (like point no 3) > > > > 1 > > S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? > > P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > > destiny. > > > > S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of > > knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence of > > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do > some > > remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? > > > > YRP - Respected Sir, suppose a person is destined to found a decent > job, but can he/she afford to skip the interview? It is beyond > anyone's power to stop rainfall, but what is wrong in protecting > yourself under an umbrella? Knowing the future is just like the > curiosity of a student who browse newspaper daily to see the result > of his examination, and in my humble opinion It is not bad at all, > because there are certain qualification examination for job seekers > where participants are not informed individually. So if one forget to > respond within time he/she may loose a potential chance of getting a > job. > > > > 2 > > S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system > say > > lal kitab? > > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > > > > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future event > > instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western, > > tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on? > > > > YRP - Sir, I have a bundle of arguments in favor, but I am bound by > one of the dictum of this divine scripture called Lal Kitab that > advised its followers never to criticize other streams of knowledge > or its scholars to prove their point. I am > > > > reproducing the exact text in Roman Urdu: > > > > " Baat kee asliyat paaney ke liye, kisi doosrey ilm ya aalim ki > badkhoyee se parhez > > chahiye. " > > > > 3 > > S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction can > > correctly be known? > > > > YRP - There are different principles/methods defined in Lal Kitab > for different events, It will be more appropriate if you can pinpoint > to a particular aspect. > > > > I Hope you will continue to share your views and we will slowly move > > in this direction. > > > > YRP - Sir, I joined this august group to learn from you and other > scholars. I will continue to share my views, whenever necessary. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Yours truly, > > Sanat > > > > > > --- On Tue, 9/16/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote: > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain@> > > Re: Welcome > > > > Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 11:00 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > > > Namaskar, > > > > Thanks for your reply. Please do not be so humble, so I may not be > > > > able to reciprocate. > > > > > > > > Now I am digging further both points, which may trigger many points > > > > in due course (like point no 3) > > > > > > > > 1 > > > > S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? > > > > P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > > > > destiny. > > > > > > > > S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of > > > > knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence of > > > > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do > some > > > > remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? > > > > > > > > 2 > > > > S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system > say > > > > lal kitab? > > > > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > > > > > > > > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future event > > > > instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western, > > > > tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on? > > > > > > > > 3 > > > > S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction can > > > > correctly be known? > > > > > > > > I Hope you will continue to share your views and we will slowly > move > > > > in this direction. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > PS: I am not receiving any reply from Sh. Ghopal ji, Nathani ji, > > > > Mark, Jagannathan ji, Vijayshankar ji since long. I hope they will > > > > come out with their comments instead of observing silence. They > must > > > > support there stand logically, scientifically etc.. Otherwise there > > > > is no use of interaction and one may continue with his own system > of > > > > exploitation if it is bread and butter for him. > > > > > > > > I will like to request other silent members to take part in > > > > interaction and they may join from this msg. it-self. There msg > will > > > > immediately be entered in the forum without any interference from > the > > > > moderator or if they have any problem even then they must come out > so > > > > that their problem may be sorted out. > > > > > > > > I will also like to request Dr. Sasikumar Ji as to why " Department > of > > > > Space " (which was once explored by our sages through ved, puran and > > > > came our with some physical structure of the Universe, though it > may > > > > now be not acceptable.) is not coming forward to educate our > society, > > > > which is in the grip of blind faith, created by predictive > > > > astrologers, through Doordarshan etc. Because it is also written in > > > > our constitution that Govt will develop scientific aptitude in the > > > > society. I hope to get his reply in due course. > > > > > > > > > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > > > <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sanat Kumar Ji > > > > > Sa'daar Pranaam. > > > > > > > > > > Sir, my humble answers to your questions: > > > > > " 1 - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or > > > > variable? " > > > > > No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > > > > destiny. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " 2 – Is it possible to know any event of the future with any > system > > > > > > > > > > say lal kitab? > > > > > Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 9/14/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote: > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> > > > > > Re: Welcome > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 14, 2008, 11:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. So let us start from your msg it-self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not agree with your observation >>>>> I am a student of one > of > > > > > > > > > > the most wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal > > > > > > > > > > Kitab.<<<<< Because every body is student means every body is > > > > > > > > > > learning some thing or other till death. So your comment is > rather > > > > > > > > > > submissive in nature instead of factual position. Hi Hi. Because > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > may be student of Ph.D., but when he teach middle class student > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > he is teacher and he must have knowledge to answer the various > > > > > > > > > > questions of middle class. So for us you are respected teacher. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, let us be serious. We in this forum (which is only forum of > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > type) are discussing scientific admissibility of any predictive / > > > > > > > > > > remedial astrological (related to planet) principals. So you can > > > > > > > > > > discuss astrology (you may read first msg of march-08) or Lal > Kitab > > > > > > > > > > etc., as you please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To start with your Lal Kitab let us have some preliminary > questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 – What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or > variable? > > > > > > > > > > 2 – Is it possible to know any event of the future with any > system > > > > > > > > > > say lal kitab? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am waiting for your observations and on the basis of answer to > > > > > > > > > > these basic questions we will move further or even if you devise > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > other way for discussion. I have no objection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope our discussion will be fruitful and you will continue to > > > > > > > > > > interact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > > Gwalior > > > > > > > > > > 0751-2626868 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sanat Kumar jain Sahib, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your kind words, I am a student of one of the > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal Kitab. The > > > > > > > > > > originator and author of this five divine scriptures is Pt. Roop > > > > > > > > > > Chand Joshi ji of village Pharwala (Distt Jalandhar) of Punjab. I > > > > > > > > > > joined this august group to learn from the vast experience of the > > > > > > > > > > luminaries present here, including your good-self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > > > > > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 9/11/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, September 11, 2008, 11:06 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As usual some new members have joined. I welcome all new > members > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our forum. I find that this month some prominent members have > > > > > > > > > > joined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the forum. They are Mr. Mark Kincaid, Yograj Prabhakar, > mindsutra > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > srajesh ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We welcome and hope that new members may please come forward > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their views on astrology after going through first msg of March- > > > > 08 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and some SOA______files in the file section. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are waiting for the observations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks once again for joining the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat Kumar Jain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gwalior > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Dear Ghopal ji, Namaskar, Thanks for your msg. Yes, Lal Kitab was written by Sh. Roop Chand ji, during 1942 and 1952. It was not famous since then. But after 1990 when new generation came with so many hardship then astrologer picked up this LK as a business with simple remedy. It is popular and providing business due to remedy for those persons who never believe in Karm (despite following Gita). I am waiting for comments of Sh Prabhakar ji. I don't know why he is silent because he can very well come forward with his stand. I don't think there is any harm if a person support his stand. But simultaneously he must have some logical and scientific approach if he claims that it is science. >>>>> Kriplani, " Today i have met you, it is because of the good karmas i have done,that i have come across such lovable and nice people. " but why this prasies;one day you would feel like abusing him;then!!<<<<<< Yes, you are right. I agree with your views. I am waiting for your comments on blog " Astrology a science or myth " . Thanks, Sanat. , " TKP Ghopal " <astrogopalji wrote: > > Dear Sanatji > Pt. Roop Chand Joshi ji-you mentioned his name,is he the one responsible > LalKitab? > Really I am not aware except the name LalaKitab. > I would like to apraise Mr.Prabhakar if the destiny is final,absolutely no > 'parihaaram' can work ;rather should not work. > Why at all we need to pursue the horoscope is to tell the native the > suffering he/she undergoes can come to an end in a short while or so.It is > to give him/her a moral boost and what else. > Even Gandhi was reciprocated,why should we give a matinee idol treatment to > Gurujis.The disciples of KSK have said that he asked us to improve the > said principle,and he is reciprocated by nook and corner. > You met Sanat ok ,Kriplani, " Today i have met you, it is because of the good > karmas i have done,that i have come across such lovable and nice people. " > but why this prasies;one day you would feel like abusing him;then!! > So try to be yourself.I think this is also said by some big ppl. > Regards > tkp > > > > On 9/18/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote: > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > Namaskar, > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > Sk - Please do not be so humble, so I may not be > > able to reciprocate. > > YRP - You need not to reciprocate at all, but it is my right and the > > teachings of my Gurus to give full respect to a scholar, kindly do > > not deprive me of this right. > > Sk – Now I can only say that my Guru ji also says that do not take > > any thing which you can not reciprocate. So I hope you may be very > > normal to me. Hi > > > > Ok, now our points > > > > 1 > > S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? > > P- (a) No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter > > the > > destiny. > > S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of > > knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence of > > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do some > > remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? > > YRP - Respected Sir, suppose a person is destined to found a decent > > job, but can he/she afford to skip the interview? It is beyond > > anyone's power to stop rainfall, but what is wrong in protecting > > yourself under an umbrella? Knowing the future is just like the > > curiosity of a student who browse newspaper daily to see the result > > of his examination, and in my humble opinion It is not bad at all, > > because there are certain qualification examination for job seekers > > where participants are not informed individually. So if one forget to > > respond within time he/she may loose a potential chance of getting a > > job. > > > > Sk – At one side you are saying that we have no capacity to alter the > > destiny (refer P(1) above) and now you are saying that there is no > > wrong in protecting ourselves under an umbrella; Or browsing > > newspaper daily to see the result of his examination. Now, what do > > you say; Is it not destined that we will protect ourselves under an > > umbrella or we will read newspaper to see the result. I mean to say > > that are these actions are within our limit and not covered by > > destiny? > > > > 2 > > S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system say > > lal kitab? > > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future event > > instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western, > > tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on? > > YRP - Sir, I have a bundle of arguments in favor, but I am bound by > > one of the dictum of this divine scripture called Lal Kitab that > > advised its followers never to criticize other streams of knowledge > > or its scholars to prove their point. I am reproducing the exact text > > in Roman Urdu: " Baat kee asliyat paaney ke liye, kisi doosrey ilm ya > > aalim ki badkhoyee se parhez chahiye. " > > > > Sk – You have a bundle of arguments in favor, it means you are > > supporting LK and may not be in favour of other streams. OK. However > > I will like to say that analyzing any knowledge, system, principle > > etc. including LK is not criticism. Because only by analyzing we can > > improve our knowledge and can see the basic foundation. Suppose you > > have to advise a friend for his treatment through some doctor. Then > > will you not advise him best doctor, or will you like to say that I > > will not advise you because it is criticism of other doctors. So do > > not take it otherwise. We are only analyzing the systems. We are not > > creators of the principles but definitely want to know about the > > viability, science and logic of these predictive system. So I am > > putting 4th question. And it is a different issue if you do not want > > to open the gate of traditional astrology. It is up to you. > > > > 3 > > S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction can > > correctly be known? > > YRP - There are different principles/methods defined in Lal Kitab for > > different events, It will be more appropriate if you can pinpoint to > > a particular aspect. > > Sk- I offer you following categories for supporting LK principles, I > > mean to say that you may intimate any principle by which you can > > predict that > > > > A any horoscope belongs to Male or Female, because sex has very vital > > role in the life of some one (through out the world and in all > > religion), and it affect whole sequence of event. > > B When he will be married or just have sexual relationship. Do planet > > knows that it is marriage and it is sexual relationship without > > marriage? > > C How many marriages. Because in India we have mostly only one > > marriage and one partner for sexual relationship, where as Muslim > > countries have mostly more then one marriages at a time and western > > countries may mostly have more then one marriage (one by one) at a > > time but mostly have many partner for sexual relationship. So how any > > planet who is responsible for marriage know and affect as to who may > > have to lead with one wife, who may with more wives and who may have > > one by one many wives. > > D How many childrens (male or female) and when. How planet > > differentiate that a tribal man or osama may have more children then > > most of the persons of the world. > > E About his Education, profession, Finance and of-course about his > > death. > > > > 4 > > Sk – Do you think LK is scientifically correct or it is your faith on > > LK because Pt. Roop Chand Joshi ji belongs to Punjab (your state)? > > > > Regarding your observation " I joined this august group to learn from > > you and other scholars. " I will like to say that we are churning > > predictive astrology and it is up to a member as whether he may be > > able to digest the nectar or not. > > > > Remember that nothing is personal and it is only academic discussion. > > Thanks for very good interaction and if you want then you can also > > pass it on to other forums/friends to support you. Beside this I am > > changing the heading for proper linking. > > > > Yours truly, > > Sanat > > > > PS : If members are reading these msgs then they may also take part > > with their views. Remember interaction is the only way to find the > > way and to streamline your views. So I will like to invite every > > member for interaction. They can also invite their > > astrologer/internet/forum friends to this forum or they may intimate > > their email to me on sanatkumar_jain<sanatkumar_jain% 40rediffmail.com>and I will > > personally invite them for interaction. > > > > <% 40>, > > Yograj Prabhakar > > <yr_prabhakar@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Sabat Kumar Jain Sahib, > > > Sa'adar Pranaam > > > > > > I have answered under each of your question. > > > > > > Respectfully > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > > Namaskar, > > > Thanks for your reply. Please do not be so humble, so I may not be > > > able to reciprocate. > > > > > > YRP - You need not to reciprocate at all, but it is my right and > > the teachings of my Gurus to give full respect to a scholar, kindly > > do not deprive me of this right. > > > > > > Now I am digging further both points, which may trigger many points > > > in due course (like point no 3) > > > > > > 1 > > > S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? > > > P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > > > destiny. > > > > > > S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of > > > knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence of > > > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do > > some > > > remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? > > > > > > YRP - Respected Sir, suppose a person is destined to found a decent > > job, but can he/she afford to skip the interview? It is beyond > > anyone's power to stop rainfall, but what is wrong in protecting > > yourself under an umbrella? Knowing the future is just like the > > curiosity of a student who browse newspaper daily to see the result > > of his examination, and in my humble opinion It is not bad at all, > > because there are certain qualification examination for job seekers > > where participants are not informed individually. So if one forget to > > respond within time he/she may loose a potential chance of getting a > > job. > > > > > > 2 > > > S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system > > say > > > lal kitab? > > > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > > > > > > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future event > > > instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western, > > > tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on? > > > > > > YRP - Sir, I have a bundle of arguments in favor, but I am bound by > > one of the dictum of this divine scripture called Lal Kitab that > > advised its followers never to criticize other streams of knowledge > > or its scholars to prove their point. I am > > > > > > reproducing the exact text in Roman Urdu: > > > > > > " Baat kee asliyat paaney ke liye, kisi doosrey ilm ya aalim ki > > badkhoyee se parhez > > > chahiye. " > > > > > > 3 > > > S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction can > > > correctly be known? > > > > > > YRP - There are different principles/methods defined in Lal Kitab > > for different events, It will be more appropriate if you can pinpoint > > to a particular aspect. > > > > > > I Hope you will continue to share your views and we will slowly move > > > in this direction. > > > > > > YRP - Sir, I joined this august group to learn from you and other > > scholars. I will continue to share my views, whenever necessary. > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 9/16/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote: > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain@> > > > Re: Welcome > > > <% 40> > > > Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 11:00 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. Please do not be so humble, so I may not be > > > > > > able to reciprocate. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I am digging further both points, which may trigger many points > > > > > > in due course (like point no 3) > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 > > > > > > S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? > > > > > > P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > > > > > > destiny. > > > > > > > > > > > > S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of > > > > > > knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence of > > > > > > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do > > some > > > > > > remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 > > > > > > S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system > > say > > > > > > lal kitab? > > > > > > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > > > > > > > > > > > > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future event > > > > > > instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western, > > > > > > tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on? > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 > > > > > > S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction can > > > > > > correctly be known? > > > > > > > > > > > > I Hope you will continue to share your views and we will slowly > > move > > > > > > in this direction. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: I am not receiving any reply from Sh. Ghopal ji, Nathani ji, > > > > > > Mark, Jagannathan ji, Vijayshankar ji since long. I hope they will > > > > > > come out with their comments instead of observing silence. They > > must > > > > > > support there stand logically, scientifically etc.. Otherwise there > > > > > > is no use of interaction and one may continue with his own system > > of > > > > > > exploitation if it is bread and butter for him. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will like to request other silent members to take part in > > > > > > interaction and they may join from this msg. it-self. There msg > > will > > > > > > immediately be entered in the forum without any interference from > > the > > > > > > moderator or if they have any problem even then they must come out > > so > > > > > > that their problem may be sorted out. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will also like to request Dr. Sasikumar Ji as to why " Department > > of > > > > > > Space " (which was once explored by our sages through ved, puran and > > > > > > came our with some physical structure of the Universe, though it > > may > > > > > > now be not acceptable.) is not coming forward to educate our > > society, > > > > > > which is in the grip of blind faith, created by predictive > > > > > > astrologers, through Doordarshan etc. Because it is also written in > > > > > > our constitution that Govt will develop scientific aptitude in the > > > > > > society. I hope to get his reply in due course. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sanat Kumar Ji > > > > > > > Sa'daar Pranaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, my humble answers to your questions: > > > > > > > " 1 - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or > > > > > > variable? " > > > > > > > No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > > > > > > destiny. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " 2 – Is it possible to know any event of the future with any > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say lal kitab? > > > > > > > Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 9/14/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote: > > > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> > > > > > > > Re: Welcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 14, 2008, 11:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. So let us start from your msg it-self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not agree with your observation >>>>> I am a student of one > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the most wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kitab.<<<<< Because every body is student means every body is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learning some thing or other till death. So your comment is > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > submissive in nature instead of factual position. Hi Hi. Because > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may be student of Ph.D., but when he teach middle class student > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is teacher and he must have knowledge to answer the various > > > > > > > > > > > > > > questions of middle class. So for us you are respected teacher. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, let us be serious. We in this forum (which is only forum of > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > type) are discussing scientific admissibility of any predictive / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remedial astrological (related to planet) principals. So you can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss astrology (you may read first msg of march-08) or Lal > > Kitab > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc., as you please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To start with your Lal Kitab let us have some preliminary > > questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 – What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or > > variable? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 – Is it possible to know any event of the future with any > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say lal kitab? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am waiting for your observations and on the basis of answer to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these basic questions we will move further or even if you devise > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other way for discussion. I have no objection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope our discussion will be fruitful and you will continue to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gwalior > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0751-2626868 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sanat Kumar jain Sahib, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your kind words, I am a student of one of the > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal Kitab. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > originator and author of this five divine scriptures is Pt. Roop > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chand Joshi ji of village Pharwala (Distt Jalandhar) of Punjab. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > joined this august group to learn from the vast experience of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > luminaries present here, including your good-self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 9/11/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, September 11, 2008, 11:06 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As usual some new members have joined. I welcome all new > > members > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our forum. I find that this month some prominent members have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > joined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the forum. They are Mr. Mark Kincaid, Yograj Prabhakar, > > mindsutra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > srajesh ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We welcome and hope that new members may please come forward > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their views on astrology after going through first msg of March- > > > > > > 08 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and some SOA______files in the file section. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are waiting for the observations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks once again for joining the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat Kumar Jain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gwalior > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > TKP Ghopal > 32.2/40 Rajaratnam St.,Riverside Road, > I Agraharam,SALEM-636 001 > 93666 23444 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Resp. Prabhakar ji, Namaskar, Thanks for your reply and happy to know that you are quite OK. I was anxious only due to seasonal problems, as this is the time of Maleria etc. Please do not take it otherwise. Because, generally I can sense as to when some one will stop interaction. Then I am not worried. But your msg. suddenly stopped after a very prompt and regular reply, hence I was little anxious and our discussion was also not at such point, where you can skip interaction. Hope you would not take it otherwise. By the way in which office you are working. Because we must also be aware about each other step wise step for proper interaction. Ok, now our points (I am trimming the msg. so that msg may not be bulky. Please keep record for referencing) 1 Sk – At one side you are saying that we have no capacity to alter the destiny (refer P(1) above) and now you are saying that there is no wrong in protecting ourselves under an umbrella; Or browsing newspaper daily to see the result of his examination. Now, what do you say; Is it not destined that we will protect ourselves under an umbrella or we will read newspaper to see the result. I mean to say that are these actions are within our limit and not covered by destiny? P : Although destiny is fixed, but What is wrong in protecting yourself? What one should do if someone from the family suffers a massive heart attack? is it against the destiny to give him artificial breaths? Is this the violation of some divine dictum? Sk : You have not followed my point. I was saying as to whether >> give him artificial breaths <<<<<<< is destined or not. In other words it is our Karm without any support from destiny (which is being known with the help of LK or say any other branch); or to be more specific I can say as to whether some major events (you have to mention these events for further interaction) are destined with fill in the blank for our remedial exercises. Otherwise, in view of your comments it appears as if we are sitting in theater where a film show is going on; and when villain follow heroin with some bad intention then audience raised there voice or fist in support of heroin with saying " what is the harm if we are raising our voice or first " (or to >> give him artificial breaths <<<). Then certainly viewers of Balcony (like Narad ji) will say that they are sitting in lower class (like Martya Lok) with lower mentality (like humans) and can not see the film (which is already drafted according to the wishes of director) (or destiny). Narayan Narayan Hi Hi. 2 Sk – You have a bundle of arguments in favor, it means you are supporting LK and may not be in favour of other streams. OK. However I will like to say that analyzing any knowledge, system, principle etc. including LK is not criticism. Because only by analyzing we can improve our knowledge and can see the basic foundation. Suppose you have to advise a friend for his treatment through some doctor. Then will you not advise him best doctor, or will you like to say that I will not advise you because it is criticism of other doctors. So do not take it otherwise. We are only analyzing the systems. We are not creators of the principles but definitely want to know about the viability, science and logic of these predictive system. So I am putting 4th question. And it is a different issue if you do not want to open the gate of traditional astrology. It is up to you. P: I am neither supporting nor rejecting any stream of knowledge, if my words suggests so - I am sorry. Sk : We can now drop this point with a conclusion that you are only in support of LK and do not want to talk about other systems. OK. 3 YRP (a) - There are different principles/methods defined in Lal Kitab for different events, It will be more appropriate if you can pinpoint to a particular aspect. Sk- I offer you following categories for supporting LK principles, I mean to say that you may intimate any principle by which you can predict that ……. ……… P : I am not aware if there is some specific principles to find the sex of the native through Lal Kitab. But time of marriage, number of marriages, sexual relations, number of kids, education, profession and finance and death can be predicted. Regarding the rest of your points, I am still learning these things, once I found the answers I will share with this august forum. If you really want to know the answers, I would request you to procure the original books and study for a couple of years. SK : OK. You may take your own time for specific principle regarding sex of native. We can drop this sub-point for the present. But I will like to inform you that I have gone through many versions of LK and I do not find any specific principle by which time of marriage, number of marriages, sexual relations, number of kids, education, profession and finance and death can be " specifically predicted " . Because main approach of the book is towards remedy. However you have not provided any principle for such predicitive principle for further movement of our discussion as indicated in YRP(a) above. 4 Sk – Do you think LK is scientifically correct or it is your faith on LK because Pt. Roop Chand Joshi ji belongs to Punjab (your state)? P : For me, faith is greater than any science of the universe. By the ways, not only Lal Kitab but Sri Bhagwat Geeta too came into being on the sacred land from where I belong. And I am proud of it - but certainly not Biased, rest asured. SK: Geeta, Ramayan, Puran, Ved etc. are our heritage, religion and we may have proud over it. But it does not mean that any book published in last 50-60 years can be put under our heritage or even regarded as equal. Because neither it is religious book nor scientific book nor ancestral book. So how you can categorize content of such book equal to Geeta. You can at the most say that it is discovery, research, new dimension to astronomy or to predictive astrology and so on but certainly in my opinion you are degrading the heritage and religious value of Geeta by equating it with LK. Because Geeta is in support of Karm whereas LK is in support of remedy without doing any Karm (i.e. knowledge, self confidence, hard work etc.). So far your faith is concerned, I will like to say that knowledge improves in steps. First we have some fear mixed knowledge (when we do not know any thing about the reasons for any mishap like wildfire or storm or eclipse) then we simply save our self without knowing in deep. Gradually it become faith. But when we know any reason for any mishap even then we follow our primitive faith then it is only blind faith and if it is supported by some religious stories then it is myth + blind faith. Thus any faith which is still prevailing in the society despite scientific knowledge can only be categorized as blind faith, and any faith which can be scientifically supported then there is no question of faith. Because it is scientifically proved. I think you do not have blind faith on LK and will like to analyze its principles. Hence I am moving our discussion further by introducing another point. Because if you have blind faith then there is no question of analysis. 5 Do you have faith in existence of Rahu Ketu (as they are in LK with same location as in planetary astrology) or they are scientifically proved. Remember that nothing is personal and it is only academic discussion. Thanks for very good interaction. Hope this interaction will continue and members will read it with interest. Yours truly, Sanat PS : Members may join interaction from any point and on any side. As we are having a very good interaction with Sh Prabhakar Ji. And I am sure he will educate the members and will like to share his stand. - In , " Yograj Prabhakar " <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Respected Sanat Jain ji, > Namaskar > > I am sorry for responding late as I was over busy during the last few > days due to heavy workload. My answers are right below your questions. > > , " sanat2221 " > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote: > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > Namaskar, > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > Sk - Please do not be so humble, so I may not be > > able to reciprocate. > > YRP - You need not to reciprocate at all, but it is my right and the > > teachings of my Gurus to give full respect to a scholar, kindly do > > not deprive me of this right. > > Sk – Now I can only say that my Guru ji also says that do not take > > any thing which you can not reciprocate. So I hope you may be very > > normal to me. Hi > > My answer : As you please sir. > > > > Ok, now our points > > > > 1 > > S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? > > P- (a) No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter > > the > > destiny. > > S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of > > knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence of > > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do some > > remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? > > YRP - Respected Sir, suppose a person is destined to found a decent > > job, but can he/she afford to skip the interview? It is beyond > > anyone's power to stop rainfall, but what is wrong in protecting > > yourself under an umbrella? Knowing the future is just like the > > curiosity of a student who browse newspaper daily to see the result > > of his examination, and in my humble opinion It is not bad at all, > > because there are certain qualification examination for job seekers > > where participants are not informed individually. So if one forget to > > respond within time he/she may loose a potential chance of getting a > > job. > > > > Sk – At one side you are saying that we have no capacity to alter the > > destiny (refer P(1) above) and now you are saying that there is no > > wrong in protecting ourselves under an umbrella; Or browsing > > newspaper daily to see the result of his examination. Now, what do > > you say; Is it not destined that we will protect ourselves under an > > umbrella or we will read newspaper to see the result. I mean to say > > that are these actions are within our limit and not covered by > > destiny? > > My answer : Although destiny is fixed, but What is wrong in protecting > yourself? What one should do if someone from the family suffers a > massive heart attack? is it against the destiny to give him artificial > breaths? Is this the violation of some divine dictum? > > > 2 > > S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system say > > lal kitab? > > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future event > > instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western, > > tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on? > > YRP - Sir, I have a bundle of arguments in favor, but I am bound by > > one of the dictum of this divine scripture called Lal Kitab that > > advised its followers never to criticize other streams of knowledge > > or its scholars to prove their point. I am reproducing the exact text > > in Roman Urdu: " Baat kee asliyat paaney ke liye, kisi doosrey ilm ya > > aalim ki badkhoyee se parhez chahiye. " > > > > Sk – You have a bundle of arguments in favor, it means you are > > supporting LK and may not be in favour of other streams. OK. However > > I will like to say that analyzing any knowledge, system, principle > > etc. including LK is not criticism. Because only by analyzing we can > > improve our knowledge and can see the basic foundation. Suppose you > > have to advise a friend for his treatment through some doctor. Then > > will you not advise him best doctor, or will you like to say that I > > will not advise you because it is criticism of other doctors. So do > > not take it otherwise. We are only analyzing the systems. We are not > > creators of the principles but definitely want to know about the > > viability, science and logic of these predictive system. So I am > > putting 4th question. And it is a different issue if you do not want > > to open the gate of traditional astrology. It is up to you. > > Amy answer: I am neither supporting nor rejecting any stream of > knowledge, if my words suggests so - I am sorry. > > > > 3 > > S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction can > > correctly be known? > > YRP - There are different principles/methods defined in Lal Kitab for > > different events, It will be more appropriate if you can pinpoint to > > a particular aspect. > > Sk- I offer you following categories for supporting LK principles, I > > mean to say that you may intimate any principle by which you can > > predict that > > > > A any horoscope belongs to Male or Female, because sex has very vital > > role in the life of some one (through out the world and in all > > religion), and it affect whole sequence of event. > > B When he will be married or just have sexual relationship. Do planet > > knows that it is marriage and it is sexual relationship without > > marriage? > > C How many marriages. Because in India we have mostly only one > > marriage and one partner for sexual relationship, where as Muslim > > countries have mostly more then one marriages at a time and western > > countries may mostly have more then one marriage (one by one) at a > > time but mostly have many partner for sexual relationship. So how any > > planet who is responsible for marriage know and affect as to who may > > have to lead with one wife, who may with more wives and who may have > > one by one many wives. > > D How many childrens (male or female) and when. How planet > > differentiate that a tribal man or osama may have more children then > > most of the persons of the world. > > E About his Education, profession, Finance and of-course about his > > death. > > My answer : I am not aware if there is some specific principles to > find the sex of the native through Lal Kitab. But time of marriage, > number of marriages, sexual relations, number of kids, education, > profession and finance and death can be predicted. Regarding the rest > of your points, I am still learning these things, once I found the > answers I will share with this august forum. If you really want to > know the answers, I would request you to procure the original books > and study for a couple of years. > > > > > 4 > > Sk – Do you think LK is scientifically correct or it is your faith on > > LK because Pt. Roop Chand Joshi ji belongs to Punjab (your state)? > > > > Regarding your observation " I joined this august group to learn from > > you and other scholars. " I will like to say that we are churning > > predictive astrology and it is up to a member as whether he may be > > able to digest the nectar or not. > > My answer : For me, faith is greater than any science of the universe. > By the ways, not only Lal Kitab but Sri Bhagwat Geeta too came into > being on the sacred land from where I belong. And I am proud of it - > but certainly not Biased, rest asured. > > > Remember that nothing is personal and it is only academic discussion. > > Thanks for very good interaction and if you want then you can also > > pass it on to other forums/friends to support you. Beside this I am > > changing the heading for proper linking. > > My answer : I wish you good luck for your endeavors. My services for > the cause are available to you 24x7. > > > Yours truly, > > Sanat > > > > PS : If members are reading these msgs then they may also take part > > with their views. Remember interaction is the only way to find the > > way and to streamline your views. So I will like to invite every > > member for interaction. They can also invite their > > astrologer/internet/forum friends to this forum or they may intimate > > their email to me on sanatkumar_jain@ and I will > > personally invite them for interaction. > > Respectfully > Yograj Prabakar > > > > > > > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > <yr_prabhakar@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Sabat Kumar Jain Sahib, > > > Sa'adar Pranaam > > > > > > I have answered under each of your question. > > > > > > Respectfully > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > > Namaskar, > > > Thanks for your reply. Please do not be so humble, so I may not be > > > able to reciprocate. > > > > > > YRP - You need not to reciprocate at all, but it is my right and > > the teachings of my Gurus to give full respect to a scholar, kindly > > do not deprive me of this right. > > > > > > Now I am digging further both points, which may trigger many points > > > in due course (like point no 3) > > > > > > 1 > > > S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? > > > P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > > > destiny. > > > > > > S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of > > > knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence of > > > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do > > some > > > remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? > > > > > > YRP - Respected Sir, suppose a person is destined to found a decent > > job, but can he/she afford to skip the interview? It is beyond > > anyone's power to stop rainfall, but what is wrong in protecting > > yourself under an umbrella? Knowing the future is just like the > > curiosity of a student who browse newspaper daily to see the result > > of his examination, and in my humble opinion It is not bad at all, > > because there are certain qualification examination for job seekers > > where participants are not informed individually. So if one forget to > > respond within time he/she may loose a potential chance of getting a > > job. > > > > > > 2 > > > S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system > > say > > > lal kitab? > > > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > > > > > > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future event > > > instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western, > > > tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on? > > > > > > YRP - Sir, I have a bundle of arguments in favor, but I am bound by > > one of the dictum of this divine scripture called Lal Kitab that > > advised its followers never to criticize other streams of knowledge > > or its scholars to prove their point. I am > > > > > > reproducing the exact text in Roman Urdu: > > > > > > " Baat kee asliyat paaney ke liye, kisi doosrey ilm ya aalim ki > > badkhoyee se parhez > > > chahiye. " > > > > > > 3 > > > S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction can > > > correctly be known? > > > > > > YRP - There are different principles/methods defined in Lal Kitab > > for different events, It will be more appropriate if you can pinpoint > > to a particular aspect. > > > > > > I Hope you will continue to share your views and we will slowly move > > > in this direction. > > > > > > YRP - Sir, I joined this august group to learn from you and other > > scholars. I will continue to share my views, whenever necessary. > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 9/16/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote: > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain@> > > > Re: Welcome > > > > > > Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 11:00 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. Please do not be so humble, so I may not be > > > > > > able to reciprocate. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I am digging further both points, which may trigger many points > > > > > > in due course (like point no 3) > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 > > > > > > S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? > > > > > > P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > > > > > > destiny. > > > > > > > > > > > > S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of > > > > > > knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence of > > > > > > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do > > some > > > > > > remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 > > > > > > S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system > > say > > > > > > lal kitab? > > > > > > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > > > > > > > > > > > > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future event > > > > > > instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western, > > > > > > tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on? > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 > > > > > > S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction can > > > > > > correctly be known? > > > > > > > > > > > > I Hope you will continue to share your views and we will slowly > > move > > > > > > in this direction. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: I am not receiving any reply from Sh. Ghopal ji, Nathani ji, > > > > > > Mark, Jagannathan ji, Vijayshankar ji since long. I hope they will > > > > > > come out with their comments instead of observing silence. They > > must > > > > > > support there stand logically, scientifically etc.. Otherwise there > > > > > > is no use of interaction and one may continue with his own system > > of > > > > > > exploitation if it is bread and butter for him. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will like to request other silent members to take part in > > > > > > interaction and they may join from this msg. it-self. There msg > > will > > > > > > immediately be entered in the forum without any interference from > > the > > > > > > moderator or if they have any problem even then they must come out > > so > > > > > > that their problem may be sorted out. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will also like to request Dr. Sasikumar Ji as to why " Department > > of > > > > > > Space " (which was once explored by our sages through ved, puran and > > > > > > came our with some physical structure of the Universe, though it > > may > > > > > > now be not acceptable.) is not coming forward to educate our > > society, > > > > > > which is in the grip of blind faith, created by predictive > > > > > > astrologers, through Doordarshan etc. Because it is also written in > > > > > > our constitution that Govt will develop scientific aptitude in the > > > > > > society. I hope to get his reply in due course. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sanat Kumar Ji > > > > > > > Sa'daar Pranaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, my humble answers to your questions: > > > > > > > " 1 - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or > > > > > > variable? " > > > > > > > No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > > > > > > destiny. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " 2 – Is it possible to know any event of the future with any > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say lal kitab? > > > > > > > Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 9/14/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote: > > > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> > > > > > > > Re: Welcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 14, 2008, 11:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. So let us start from your msg it-self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not agree with your observation >>>>> I am a student of one > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the most wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kitab.<<<<< Because every body is student means every body is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learning some thing or other till death. So your comment is > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > submissive in nature instead of factual position. Hi Hi. Because > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may be student of Ph.D., but when he teach middle class student > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is teacher and he must have knowledge to answer the various > > > > > > > > > > > > > > questions of middle class. So for us you are respected teacher. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, let us be serious. We in this forum (which is only forum of > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > type) are discussing scientific admissibility of any predictive / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remedial astrological (related to planet) principals. So you can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss astrology (you may read first msg of march-08) or Lal > > Kitab > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc., as you please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To start with your Lal Kitab let us have some preliminary > > questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 – What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or > > variable? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 – Is it possible to know any event of the future with any > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say lal kitab? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am waiting for your observations and on the basis of answer to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these basic questions we will move further or even if you devise > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other way for discussion. I have no objection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope our discussion will be fruitful and you will continue to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gwalior > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0751-2626868 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sanat Kumar jain Sahib, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your kind words, I am a student of one of the > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal Kitab. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > originator and author of this five divine scriptures is Pt. Roop > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chand Joshi ji of village Pharwala (Distt Jalandhar) of Punjab. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > joined this august group to learn from the vast experience of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > luminaries present here, including your good-self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 9/11/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, September 11, 2008, 11:06 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As usual some new members have joined. I welcome all new > > members > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our forum. I find that this month some prominent members have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > joined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the forum. They are Mr. Mark Kincaid, Yograj Prabhakar, > > mindsutra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > srajesh ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We welcome and hope that new members may please come forward > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their views on astrology after going through first msg of March- > > > > > > 08 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and some SOA______files in the file section. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are waiting for the observations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks once again for joining the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat Kumar Jain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gwalior > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Dear Yogita ji, I echo the similar thoughts, as put forward by you. Actually I had tried starting a common discussion on planetary aspects and coined some of my doubts on kundali interpretations. But, sadly, hardly anyone contributed to the same, and the topic disappeared in thin air. I believe this group constitutes of many learned and experienced individuals, who may have utilised the divine light emitted by Lal Kitab to brighten up the peoples lives. We, as the students of this "Samundrik gyan" called Astrology would be glad to hear & learn from such case studies, and would strive to do our bit for the mankind in our own possible ways. Regards Dinesh From: yog_ita2003Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:42:07 +0530Re: Price of lal kitab 1952 edition ..... Dear Kulbir Ji, Sensitivity level of every human being is different, you are very much sensitive and caring for LAL Kitab. Instead of using your sensitive creative energy in small matters like this, please use your energy for LaL kitab Research , I have not seen these days any research work in LaLKitab in our Group. Which is very much required. A practical approach is very much required. Many senior members of our group have done individual research in this field, applied remedial measures of LaL Kitab. But they may have not shared the following: 1. Kundali interpretations 2. Remedial Measure Effect (duration) 3. If fail why 4. Correct way to do remedial measure 5. Logic behind remedial measure 6. Warnings/precautions If in a scientific/ egoless way we can share our experience, we can give new heights to Astrology. Dear Neelkamal ji, If you just say it’s typing mistake. It is sufficient, we are all brothers and sisters join this group for enhancing and sharing knowledge. Regard’s Yogita The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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