Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Respected Ravi and Bhashyam Ji, Namaskar, I will like to intensify the points raised by you that if we are not able to work out the correct time of birth then how astrologers are preparing the horoscopes for predicting so-called correct forecast. In primitive time when there was no watch or modern system of knowing the time, latitude etc. then how they are casting the horoscope with correct forecast as is being claimed. Can't we draw a reference from such anomaly that astrologers are expert since primitive age in forecasting socalled correct prediction with wrong horoscopes. Other members may continue to share their views on Ravi Ji's point. Yours truly, Sanat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Dear Sanatji Bashyamji and other membersIn continuation of my question I would like to add the following.1. Even though our ancestors did not have accurate clocks, they were casting horoscopes and predicting events more or less accurately. This may be due to their Thapas or divine power of sixth sense or intution as people may call it. There was also what is known as nimitha, that is certain events taking place around the time of birth, which also go to indicate what will happen in the future, either with reference to an individual or for the country as such.However the start of life for a human being is supposed to be from the start of the heart beat, rather than breathing, Of course I am not a medical doctor to say which comes first - the heart beat or the breath. Or do they both start simultaneously. But according to vedic scripts, it is when the female egg fertilizes after joining the male sperm.May be some medical doctors can elucidate on this point, as to when exactly life starts.According to medical lessons the normal period of pregnancy is 9 months and 9 days. Of course some children are born premature and some are delayed. I However the present practice of casting horoscopes is from the time of birth in this world ( i.e. when the child gets separated from the mother or when the umbilical cord is cut.)May be there are some corrections included to provide for these 9 months and 9 days.I request respected members to actively debate on the above and share their knowledge.PranamsRavichandran You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Ancient Vedic Astrologer had knowledge of longitude, latitude, planetary motion etc otherwise they would not have been able to calcualte Solar or Lunar Eclipse correctly. sushil , " sanat2221 " <sanatkumar_jain wrote: > > > > Respected Ravi and Bhashyam Ji, > Namaskar, > I will like to intensify the points raised by you that if we are not > able to work out the correct time of birth then how astrologers are > preparing the horoscopes for predicting so-called correct forecast. > In primitive time when there was no watch or modern system of knowing > the time, latitude etc. then how they are casting the horoscope with > correct forecast as is being claimed. Can't we draw a reference from > such anomaly that astrologers are expert since primitive age in > forecasting socalled correct prediction with wrong horoscopes. > > Other members may continue to share their views on Ravi Ji's point. > Yours truly, > > Sanat > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 Respected Sushil ji, Namaskar, Like astrologers who always try to divert the issue so that they may not be caught, you have diverted the thread reg " what shd be the correct time of birth " , which has nothing to do with long/lati, eclipse etc. Hi Hi. I am trying to be very brief. Is there any mention of longitude, latitude or planetary motion (except sun and moon) in Ved. I am sure you may have not gone through the Ved. I have gone through and saying that there is no mention of these parameters. Solar and Lunar eclipses were prominent events hence our sages devised the concept of Rahu Ketu and their retrograde motion. Though they were not aware with the orbit of Earth (you may say orbit of Sun). Suppose they have knowledge of long/lati. then what Ptolemy was doing in 2nd AD by devising a crude form of long/lati. He can simply borrow the research of our sages. Why Varahmihir has not taken these parameters for calculating Eclipse etc. and relied upon the prevailing concept of Rahu ketu. Though he and Aryabhatt were very much of the opinion that it is shadow of Moon and Earth. Even then they can not reply the queries raised by the supporter of the then prevailing concept. In ved too there is no mention of specific planetary motion (Sun and Moon). Even upto Grahlaghav and thereafter we were following the system of average motion instead of actual variable motion of every planet including Sun and Moon for working out their position on the basis of ahargan. Presently astrologer means a person who can analyze the horo. and can predict, and can provide a way to avert some unfavourable event or quickly invite some favourable event. But in ancient time there were system of forecasting attached to astrologer. In those days astrologer means a person who knows about the movement of Sun and Moon to work out the tithi, auspitious time for yagya etc. and so on, which is now known as astronomy. Thus actually which was the knowledge or direction etc of our sages has been taken by NASA and we are using their data instead of the data derived by the method of our sages. And on the other hand, predictive part of astrology which was adopted by our sages during the inscription of Puran around 200 BC to 200 AD after exposure with Greek astrology / astronomy, which was subsequently strengthen by Varahmihir mainly on the basis of Greek knowledge (panchsidhhantika) has been promoted by the astrologer to exploit the weak mentality; under the name of Vedic astrology which was coined by Sh SS Gupta 20 years back. Thus we have lost our knowledge, tradition and promoting the imported knowledge on the shoulder of our sages. In your another mail you have asked the reason to learn the astrology. Though I have skipped that msg. But now I want to say that initially I was attached with this knowledge in my early 20s only because I was informed and I was impressed with such a knowledge by which you can peep in to future. But during my 35+ years study I found that predictive astrology is only myth and you cant forecast, only you can randomly draw some direction like head and tail of a coin which may or may not be correct. That's why I tried to think differently and after lot of labour, found that all principles are based on primitive knowledge and so on (which I mentioned in msg1). So I will like to say that you may also try to think differently and set all type of knowledge and historical development in this field in chronological order according the development of human civilization (without any blind faith) then you will your-self found the hidden part of astrology. Remember my comments are not personal and it is only academic so continue with any topic as you like. Thanks for your observation, Yours truly, sanat , " Sushil Dikshit " <sushil.dikshit wrote: > > > Ancient Vedic Astrologer had knowledge of longitude, latitude, > planetary motion etc otherwise they would not have been able to > calcualte Solar or Lunar Eclipse correctly. > > sushil > > , " sanat2221 " > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Ravi and Bhashyam Ji, > > Namaskar, > > I will like to intensify the points raised by you that if we are > not > > able to work out the correct time of birth then how astrologers are > > preparing the horoscopes for predicting so-called correct forecast. > > In primitive time when there was no watch or modern system of > knowing > > the time, latitude etc. then how they are casting the horoscope > with > > correct forecast as is being claimed. Can't we draw a reference > from > > such anomaly that astrologers are expert since primitive age in > > forecasting socalled correct prediction with wrong horoscopes. > > > > Other members may continue to share their views on Ravi Ji's point. > > Yours truly, > > > > Sanat > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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