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Respected Ravi and Bhashyam Ji,

Namaskar,

I will like to intensify the points raised by you that if we are not

able to work out the correct time of birth then how astrologers are

preparing the horoscopes for predicting so-called correct forecast.

In primitive time when there was no watch or modern system of knowing

the time, latitude etc. then how they are casting the horoscope with

correct forecast as is being claimed. Can't we draw a reference from

such anomaly that astrologers are expert since primitive age in

forecasting socalled correct prediction with wrong horoscopes.

 

Other members may continue to share their views on Ravi Ji's point.

Yours truly,

 

Sanat

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Dear Sanatji Bashyamji and other membersIn continuation of my question I would like to add the following.1. Even though our ancestors did not have accurate clocks, they were casting horoscopes and predicting events more or less accurately. This may be due to their Thapas or divine power of sixth sense or intution as people may call it. There was also what is known as nimitha, that is certain events taking place around the time of birth, which also go to indicate what will happen in the future, either with reference to an individual or for the country as such.However the start of life for a human being is supposed to be from the start of the heart beat, rather than breathing, Of course I am not a medical doctor to say which comes first - the heart beat or the breath. Or do they both start simultaneously. But according to vedic scripts, it is when the female egg fertilizes after joining the male sperm.May be some medical doctors can

elucidate on this point, as to when exactly life starts.According to medical lessons the normal period of pregnancy is 9 months and 9 days. Of course some children are born premature and some are delayed. I However the present practice of casting horoscopes is from the time of birth in this world ( i.e. when the child gets separated from the mother or when the umbilical cord is cut.)May be there are some corrections included to provide for these 9 months and 9 days.I request respected members to actively debate on the above and share their knowledge.PranamsRavichandran

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Ancient Vedic Astrologer had knowledge of longitude, latitude,

planetary motion etc otherwise they would not have been able to

calcualte Solar or Lunar Eclipse correctly.

 

sushil

 

, " sanat2221 "

<sanatkumar_jain wrote:

>

>

>

> Respected Ravi and Bhashyam Ji,

> Namaskar,

> I will like to intensify the points raised by you that if we are

not

> able to work out the correct time of birth then how astrologers are

> preparing the horoscopes for predicting so-called correct forecast.

> In primitive time when there was no watch or modern system of

knowing

> the time, latitude etc. then how they are casting the horoscope

with

> correct forecast as is being claimed. Can't we draw a reference

from

> such anomaly that astrologers are expert since primitive age in

> forecasting socalled correct prediction with wrong horoscopes.

>

> Other members may continue to share their views on Ravi Ji's point.

> Yours truly,

>

> Sanat

>

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Respected Sushil ji,

Namaskar,

Like astrologers who always try to divert the issue so that they may

not be caught, you have diverted the thread reg " what shd be the

correct time of birth " , which has nothing to do with long/lati,

eclipse etc. Hi Hi.

 

I am trying to be very brief. Is there any mention of longitude,

latitude or planetary motion (except sun and moon) in Ved. I am sure

you may have not gone through the Ved. I have gone through and

saying that there is no mention of these parameters.

Solar and Lunar eclipses were prominent events hence our sages

devised the concept of Rahu Ketu and their retrograde motion. Though

they were not aware with the orbit of Earth (you may say orbit of

Sun).

 

Suppose they have knowledge of long/lati. then what Ptolemy was doing

in 2nd AD by devising a crude form of long/lati. He can simply borrow

the research of our sages. Why Varahmihir has not taken these

parameters for calculating Eclipse etc. and relied upon the

prevailing concept of Rahu ketu. Though he and Aryabhatt were very

much of the opinion that it is shadow of Moon and Earth. Even then

they can not reply the queries raised by the supporter of the then

prevailing concept. In ved too there is no mention of specific

planetary motion (Sun and Moon). Even upto Grahlaghav and thereafter

we were following the system of average motion instead of actual

variable motion of every planet including Sun and Moon for working

out their position on the basis of ahargan.

 

Presently astrologer means a person who can analyze the horo. and

can predict, and can provide a way to avert some unfavourable event

or quickly invite some favourable event. But in ancient time there

were system of forecasting attached to astrologer. In those days

astrologer means a person who knows about the movement of Sun and

Moon to work out the tithi, auspitious time for yagya etc. and so on,

which is now known as astronomy. Thus actually which was the

knowledge or direction etc of our sages has been taken by NASA and we

are using their data instead of the data derived by the method of our

sages. And on the other hand, predictive part of astrology which was

adopted by our sages during the inscription of Puran around 200 BC to

200 AD after exposure with Greek astrology / astronomy, which was

subsequently strengthen by Varahmihir mainly on the basis of Greek

knowledge (panchsidhhantika) has been promoted by the astrologer to

exploit the weak mentality; under the name of Vedic astrology which

was coined by Sh SS Gupta 20 years back. Thus we have lost our

knowledge, tradition and promoting the imported knowledge on the

shoulder of our sages.

 

In your another mail you have asked the reason to learn the

astrology. Though I have skipped that msg. But now I want to say that

initially I was attached with this knowledge in my early 20s only

because I was informed and I was impressed with such a knowledge by

which you can peep in to future. But during my 35+ years study I

found that predictive astrology is only myth and you cant forecast,

only you can randomly draw some direction like head and tail of a

coin which may or may not be correct. That's why I tried to think

differently and after lot of labour, found that all principles are

based on primitive knowledge and so on (which I mentioned in msg1).

So I will like to say that you may also try to think differently and

set all type of knowledge and historical development in this field in

chronological order according the development of human civilization

(without any blind faith) then you will your-self found the hidden

part of astrology.

 

Remember my comments are not personal and it is only academic so

continue with any topic as you like.

 

Thanks for your observation,

 

Yours truly,

sanat

 

 

 

 

, " Sushil Dikshit "

<sushil.dikshit wrote:

>

>

> Ancient Vedic Astrologer had knowledge of longitude, latitude,

> planetary motion etc otherwise they would not have been able to

> calcualte Solar or Lunar Eclipse correctly.

>

> sushil

>

> , " sanat2221 "

> <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Respected Ravi and Bhashyam Ji,

> > Namaskar,

> > I will like to intensify the points raised by you that if we are

> not

> > able to work out the correct time of birth then how astrologers

are

> > preparing the horoscopes for predicting so-called correct

forecast.

> > In primitive time when there was no watch or modern system of

> knowing

> > the time, latitude etc. then how they are casting the horoscope

> with

> > correct forecast as is being claimed. Can't we draw a reference

> from

> > such anomaly that astrologers are expert since primitive age in

> > forecasting socalled correct prediction with wrong horoscopes.

> >

> > Other members may continue to share their views on Ravi Ji's

point.

> > Yours truly,

> >

> > Sanat

> >

>

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