Time of birth

[Guest guest]

Dear Su,

 

It's a growing practice to delay cutting the umbilical cord for several

hours, and, in what's known as a 'Lotus Birth', the placenta is left, often

for several days, to fall off naturally. We cannot therefore say that T.O.B.

is synonymous with the cutting of umbilical cord.

 

I have maintained that Birth occurs when the child is delivered from the

mother. This normally coincides with the cutting of umbilical cord i.e. the

cord is cut before the placenta itself has been delivered, but is not

necessarily so.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

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Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:55 AM

time of birth

 

 

 

 

Dear All,

 

I am new to this group and enjoy reading yr postings silently. I hve however

a query which I hope you could help clarify.

 

When is the exact time of birth of a person? Below are some email exchanges

on the subject.

 

thank you

 

Su

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Dera Sue,

 

Thank you for your email, since the verse is from Srimad Bhagavatam, it

cannot be contested !! It is the ultimate.

 

After going thru' your email, I referred an old book in which there is a

reference on birth. It states from " Dhruvanadi by Satyacharya " , who states

: " Horoscope should be cast for the time at which the child falls to the

ground - Bhusparsa (touching the earth) " .

 

Here your statement is correct in a way, i.e., a child falls on earth when

the umblical cord is cut. (or maybe vice versa too ??)

 

Shailesh

 

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Dear Shailesh

Thank you for your reply. I had always been under the impression that the

correct time was as you mentioned (when the child is fully out of the birth

canal), but I came across the foll in Brihaspati.net (quoted here below),

according to which it is the time when the chord is cut. Would like to hear

yr thoughts on it. Thank you

 

" According to Sanjay and Srila Prabhupada, the time of birth is when the

body of the child is fully separated from the body of the mother, i.e. the

umbilical chord is cut. Let me quote here from Srila Prabhupada's purport to

Srimad Bhagavatam verse 2.10.28.

Äsisåpsoù puraù puryä

näbhi-dväram apänataù

taträpänas tato måtyuù

påthaktvam ubhayäçrayam

TRANSLATION

Thereafter, when He desired to move from one body to another, the

navel and the air of departure and death were jointly created. The navel is

the shelter for both, namely death and the separating force.

PURPORT

The präëa-väyu continues the life, and the apäna-väyu stops the

living force. Both the vibrations are generated from the abdominal hole, the

navel. This navel is the joint from one body to the other. Lord Brahmä was

born of the abdominal hole of Garbhodakaçäyé Viñëu as a separate body, and

the same principle is followed even in the birth of any ordinary body. The

body of the child develops from the body of the mother, and when the child

is separated from the body of the mother, it is separated by cutting the

navel joint. And that is the way the Supreme Lord manifested Himself as

separated many. The living entities are therefore separated parts, and thus

they have no independence.But if we would take an ideal case of accurate

data, I'm sure they will confirm Maharishi Jamini's principles. "

 

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[Guest guest]

Respected Ravichandran Ji,

Namaskar,

From your admission " Even though our ancestors did not have accurate

clocks, they were casting horoscopes and predicting events more or

less accurately. This may be due to their Thapas or divine power of

sixth sense or intution as people may call it. " , you are indirectly

accepting that there is no need of correct time of birth and further

no need of correctness of any astrological principle. What is more

and only important is divine power or intuition. Thus if we have to

apply our intuition then certainly there is no need of any

astrological principle. But do you find any so-called astrologer,

coming out like mushrooms, who may have divine power and rely upon

his divine power instead of business tactics.

 

Your 2nd point about the start of life for a human being is also

interesting with a view to have interaction. So before we may find

the start of life we must know that what is life. We will limit

ourselves to scientific field wrt to astrology, instead of religious

dogma. Scientifically fertilization of egg will sperm ie bifurcation

of cell of egg to two cells is foundation of life and all other

system of body including heart and so on is only a developmental part

as we continue to grow throughout the life. In this situation how

you can work out the time of birth (except test tube babies. Even in

this case you have to watch the time of bifurcation of cell after

injecting the sperm in to egg). A complicated matter. But during the

initial phase of development of astrological principles these

questions were not a matter of concern. As predictive astrology was

limited to sages who were also busy in finding out a way so that

destiny may be decoded and their words were final due to faith. Even

today many ignorant individuals are regularly exploited only due to

faith on the words of some astrologer. We are only discussing because

some where in our subconscious mind we think or know that astrology

is bogus but on the other hand we have faith too. Thus we are

complex humans, who wants to know the truth but do not want to hear

some thing against our faith.

 

By the way Ved says that pregnancy period is 10 months.

 

Sleeping members may please wake up and offer comments, Ravi (Sun)

has come. Hi Hi

 

Yours truly,

Sanat

 

6-4-2008

 

Posted by: " Jagadisan Ravichandran " jnravi jnravi

Fri Apr 4, 2008 11:16 am (PDT)

Dear Sanatji Bashyamji and other members

 

In continuation of my question I would like to add the following.

 

1. Even though our ancestors did not have accurate clocks, they were

casting horoscopes and predicting events more or less accurately.

This may be due to their Thapas or divine power of sixth sense or

intution as people may call it. There was also what is known as

nimitha, that is certain events taking place around the time of

birth, which also go to indicate what will happen in the future,

either with reference to an individual or for the country as such.

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[Guest guest]

- MANISH

vedic astrology

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 1:54 PM

[vedic astrology] TIME OF BIRTH

 

 

DEAR LEARNED ASTROLOGERSON 31 ST JAN 2009 (BASANT PANCHAMI ) a lady came to me at around 9.07 pm and asked me to find the time of birth of her adopted son .The missionary from where the boy was adopted gave the date of birth as 29 sep 1990 .Can anyone give the guidance to find the time of birth .regardsManish Rathi

[Guest guest]

 

 

om paramesthi gurave namah

Dear Manish

Make a prashna chart for the time and also one for the sunrise

time for the tentative dte given. Using the standard techniques you should be

able to do it. If you don;t know, then learn them.

With Warm Regards

Sanjay Rath

http://srath.com http://sohamsa.com http://.org

15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi, 110060, India

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of MANISH

03 February 2009 14:16

 

[Om Krishna Guru] Fw: [vedic astrology] TIME OF BIRTH

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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MANISH

 

 

vedic astrology

 

 

Tuesday, February

03, 2009 1:54 PM

 

 

[vedic astrology]

TIME OF BIRTH

 

 

 

 

 

 

DEAR LEARNED ASTROLOGERS

 

ON 31 ST JAN 2009 (BASANT PANCHAMI ) a lady came to me at around 9.07 pm and

asked me to find the time of birth of her adopted son .The missionary from where

the boy was adopted gave the date of birth as 29 sep 1990 .

Can anyone give the guidance to find the time of birth .

 

regards

 

Manish Rathi