Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 hello!! not sure what to make out of what i read. all i know is that there is some truth in the astrology , as we know for years. i am not into predictive astrology as a science, but do know from experience how transits of planets make an impact on the native. i find that interesting and amazing. we learn behaviour patterns from reading charts. so there is some truth there. predictions and remedial measures are still a grey area for me, as my astro guru put it, IF WE WERE TO WEAR GEMS AND STONES IN ALL OUR FINGERS, WE WOULD HAVE NO TROUBLE AND PROBLEMS...but that is not the case. no one would suffer, THAT IS NOT THE CASE i feel very strongly about ENERGY HEALING instead. THAT HELPS! god knows if anything i have written here makes sense...just my thoughts!! __,_a very._,___also a a powerful prayer for all I'M SORRY PLEASE FORGIVE ME I LOVE YOU THANK YOU with best regards and intentions Rhoda Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Dear aspirant, Your doubts dont surprise me at all, since they are most common feelings of people about astrology. Even I have passed out of premier institutes but my career isnt going anywhere. The reason for this is that my siddhamsha chart (chrat for education) is quite strong along with my 9th and 3rd house in my natal chart. But its interesting to see that my dashamsha chart (chart for profession) and also my 10th house in natal chart are not powerful. But if I had shown just my natal chart to a beginner in astrology he would have predicted grand rajayogas for me, but when I am failing miserably in life I would have blamed astrology not the astrologer. A good astrologer MUST see the divisional charts, the dashas, the transits, the drishtis of planets, the strength of planets ,etc. Only then should he predict. For example I have good rajayoga with venus, but since venus dasha doesnt come in my lifetime, the effect of this rajayoga isnt seen in my life, but seen only in small measures when venus antardashas pass. Hence there are numerous things to be seen in a horoscope not just the natal chart that a road-side astrologer sees and predicts. Please understand that if someone says " 1+2 = 5 " , you should call him a fool rather than call arithmetic a hoax subject. This is the mistake the so-called rational thinkers are doing. Regards, Vijay. g-ing g-ang bang bang <blr.aspirant wrote: Dear Rhoda, Thanks for your honest opinion. Just like you, I was also a believer but having been a silent observer on this forum and elsewhere, I am starting to have some doubts on astrology. Maybe this is because of my personal experience where my horoscope (and my educational background BE+MBA both from premier institutes) promises a lot in terms of raj yog etc but in reality my career is going nowhere. Maybe i am waiting for some divine help... Still, I -as well as others- are awaiting the opinion/coments/suggestions of the learned gurus and other students of this forum. Om Tat Sat On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Rhoda Reporter <rhodes10 wrote: > > > hello!! > not sure what to make out of what i read. > all i know is that there is some truth in the astrology , as we know for > years. > i am not into predictive astrology as a science, but do know from > experience how transits of planets make an impact on the native. > i find that interesting and amazing. > we learn behaviour patterns from reading charts. so there is some truth > there. > predictions and remedial measures are still a grey area for me, as my > astro guru put it, > IF WE WERE TO WEAR GEMS AND STONES IN ALL OUR FINGERS, WE WOULD HAVE NO > TROUBLE AND PROBLEMS...but that is not the case. > no one would suffer, > THAT IS NOT THE CASE > i feel very strongly about ENERGY HEALING instead. > THAT HELPS! > > god knows if anything i have written here makes sense...just my thoughts!! > > __,_a very._,___also a > a powerful prayer for all > > I'M SORRY > PLEASE FORGIVE ME > I LOVE YOU > THANK YOU > > with best regards and intentions > Rhoda > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it > now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 *kleem namah narasimhaaya* Dear Vijay , Namaskar Well said. Regards, Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal Vijayanarasimha H Pakka napisa?(a): > > Dear aspirant, > > Your doubts dont surprise me at all, since they are most common > feelings of people about astrology. Even I have passed out of premier > institutes but my career isnt going anywhere. The reason for this is > that my siddhamsha chart (chrat for education) is quite strong along > with my 9th and 3rd house in my natal chart. But its interesting to > see that my dashamsha chart (chart for profession) and also my 10th > house in natal chart are not powerful. But if I had shown just my > natal chart to a beginner in astrology he would have predicted grand > rajayogas for me, but when I am failing miserably in life I would have > blamed astrology not the astrologer. > > A good astrologer MUST see the divisional charts, the dashas, the > transits, the drishtis of planets, the strength of planets ,etc. Only > then should he predict. For example I have good rajayoga with venus, > but since venus dasha doesnt come in my lifetime, the effect of this > rajayoga isnt seen in my life, but seen only in small measures when > venus antardashas pass. Hence there are numerous things to be seen in > a horoscope not just the natal chart that a road-side astrologer sees > and predicts. Please understand that if someone says " 1+2 = 5 " , you > should call him a fool rather than call arithmetic a hoax subject. > This is the mistake the so-called rational thinkers are doing. > > Regards, > Vijay. > > g-ing g-ang bang bang <blr.aspirant@ gmail.com > <blr.aspirant%40gmail.com>> wrote: Dear Rhoda, > > Thanks for your honest opinion. Just like you, I was also a believer but > having been a silent observer on this forum and elsewhere, I am > starting to > have some doubts on astrology. Maybe this is because of my personal > experience where my horoscope (and my educational background BE+MBA both > from premier institutes) promises a lot in terms of raj yog etc but in > reality my career is going nowhere. Maybe i am waiting for some divine > help... > > Still, I -as well as others- are awaiting the opinion/coments/ > suggestions of > the learned gurus and other students of this forum. > > Om Tat Sat > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Rhoda Reporter <rhodes10 > <rhodes10%40>> wrote: > > > > > > > hello!! > > not sure what to make out of what i read. > > all i know is that there is some truth in the astrology , as we know for > > years. > > i am not into predictive astrology as a science, but do know from > > experience how transits of planets make an impact on the native. > > i find that interesting and amazing. > > we learn behaviour patterns from reading charts. so there is some truth > > there. > > predictions and remedial measures are still a grey area for me, as my > > astro guru put it, > > IF WE WERE TO WEAR GEMS AND STONES IN ALL OUR FINGERS, WE WOULD HAVE NO > > TROUBLE AND PROBLEMS...but that is not the case. > > no one would suffer, > > THAT IS NOT THE CASE > > i feel very strongly about ENERGY HEALING instead. > > THAT HELPS! > > > > god knows if anything i have written here makes sense...just my > thoughts!! > > > > __,_a very._,___also a > > a powerful prayer for all > > > > I'M SORRY > > PLEASE FORGIVE ME > > I LOVE YOU > > THANK YOU > > > > with best regards and intentions > > Rhoda > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. > Try it > > now. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Well, I found some questions worth asking w.r.t vedic astrology regds dipika Astrology a science or myth *HinduCalendar/message/2276 * Astrological principles are based on primitive knowledge that Sun is nearer to the Earth and Moon is far away from the Earth and so on…. Respected Shri Kaul sahib ji, Namaskar, I was reading your archives and find interesting interaction. I also find as to how some (so called) scholars are befooling simple minded Indians with their socalled translation, interpretation and explanation of some sloks of Ved or Vedang Jyotish and so on. I agree with your findings that there is nothing in Ved or Vedang Jyotish about Rashi, prediction etc.. I will like to say that all this traditions was developed after interaction of our civilisation with Greek civilisation. Our sages, who were able to pre-calculate eclipse ie. Problems to deity; then it was a common development of idea as to when we (sage) can calculate about the problems of deity (Sun /Moon) then why we can't calculate about the problems of humans (King and so on). With this though in mind they have an opportunity to know about the concept of Sign from Greek. Thus they were able to develop some predictive principles after fusing the concept of our religious myth about the Universe with sign etc. and formulated all basic principles of the astrology. I am enclosing a blog about predictive astrology. I know that this forum is fully devoted on calculation part. But because predictive astrology is popular and it is applied form of astronomy hence I am doing this trespass in your territory and request the readers that do not disturb the serious interaction, which is going on this forum. But if they want then they may please write to me on my email sanatkumar_jain. I once again request to readers that they may not disturb the interaction of the forum. I fully support your views that concept of sign was not Indian. I will like to add that if it would have been Indian then our sages could not approve the shape of Aries (Ram), Scorpio, Sagittarious (half horse half man) etc. because these shapes do not have any religious (Indian ie. Hindu, Jain, Bodh etc.) support, and our sages cannot draw an imaginary shape. But some scholars are in the habit of teaching some own explanation during translation of a slok. They can add any modern concept of solar-system or planetary information during explanation of any slok. By above I want to say that translation (in the form of explanation) can not be according to latest knowledge. It must be only translation and nothing else. Thus suppose if it is mentioned in the Ved that " Mein vaahan se aaya " or " I came on my vehicle " then it can not be translated that I came on Mercedez or Maruti or Motorcycle or aeroplane etc. If you do such translation than it is only modern explanation to lure public. Correct translation will only be " I came on my vehicle " . If you want to explain it then you have to study that which vaahan I have in those days. If you don't know that which vaahan I have in those days than you can at the most use those vaahan which were available in those days and say that I came on Horse, Rath, Paslki etc..But even than it is only explanation and not the translation. But you are not allowed to use Maruti, Mercedez etc. for vaahan. In view of this I am saying that socalled many scholars are doing the translation in the form of modern explanation. I hope reader will like listen what you (Sh. Kaul Ji) is saying after so much of self study and remember that basically you are not against any shastra but you are against the so called astrologer who are befooling others without reading or translating slok with vested interest. I think little hint is enough for those who has some logical power other wise it is of no use to pour a river over turned pot. In this situation we must try to save those who are not affected and who have some scientific temperament, instead of curing the dead wood. Waiting for some more usefull interaction between intelligent members. Thanks, Sanat Sanatkumar_jain 0751-2626868 My blog is as under. Readers may Pl interacts on my email and do not disturb the forum. Thanks ASTROLOGY A SCIENCE OR MYTH Readers who have faith on astrology may please read following lines, ponder and instead of sticking to some misconcept regarding astrology on which you have not studied in depth but you only have faith, because you have been informed like this. So come out and think with open mind and decide yourself as to whether astrology is scientific or is being given coverup of science due to some vested interest. At the time of formulating the astrological principles in early Primitive age, it was the concept that every living being has capacity to move, whereas lifeless thing cannot move. This religious philosophy leads sages to classify all so-called planet (Sun, Moon, Mars etc.) as super living being (Deities). In those days only sages had social sanction to study religious scriptures. Thus after prolonged observation of the sky they developed the skill to predict solar and lunar eclipse, which was the result of so-called grabbing the Sun and Moon by imaginary shadow planets Rahu and Ketu. They were also able to predict the timing of eclipse and its duration. They have devised an ingenious way to offer donations etc. to get them free from the clutches of Rahu and Ketu, which is still being followed. It was also religious concept that fate of everybody is pre-decided according to their deeds. Thus in this situation, it was common wisdom as to when sages were able to predict the fate of deities like Sun and Moon then why they could not predict the fate of King and so on. Thus procedure was devised to formulate various astrological principles on the basis of the then knowledge of sages based on scriptures and their celestial observation. These principles were the key factors for deciding the fate. Procedure adopted to formulate these principles was never percolated in the Indian society due to illiteracy and hard barrier to learn such knowledge by other castes. Subsequently these principles were spread to other civilisation and later on developed as Western system. What is happening nowadays that there are two groups. One group belongs to astrologers who always try to support astrology due to their business considerations, whereas other group (say scientist) try to raise some logical questions against astrology. But none of them have ever tried to investigate as to what was the level of information of sages about the Universe, who developed astrological principles in primitive age and what procedure was adopted to formulate various principles relating to Lordship, Friendship-enmity, Exalted-debilitated, Aspect, Vinshottary periodicity etc. If we analyse whole set of principles then following questions may be raised 1 What procedure was adopted to allot twelve signs among seven planets (as Mars is lord of Aries, Scorpio etc.) ? 2 What procedure was adopted to decide that there is enmity and friendship between some planets (as Sun and Saturn are enemy of each other) ? 3 What procedure was adopted to decide various aspect (full, quarter to full, half and quarter), (as planets have full aspect on seventh house) ? 4 What procedure was adopted to decide that planets are exalted and debilitated at some degree (as Sun is exalted at 10 deg. of Aries sign) ? 5 What procedure was adopted to decide that most powerful and hub of our solar system, Sun has 6 years vinshottary dasha whereas Venus (a small planet) has 20 years ? 6 What procedure was adopted to allot various constellations between nine planets with different vinshottary dasha ? 7 What procedure was adopted to decide order of days of a week (Sunday, Monday etc.) ? 8 What procedure was adopted to decide fixed retrograde motion of Rahu Ketu (3-11 minute-second per day)? 9 What procedure was adopted to decide that Rahu, Ketu are 180 deg. apart? 10 What procedure was adopted to decide timings of eclipse ? Thus there may be endless questions, with a final question as to whether present form of astrology is correct? If some one gave answers to these questions then he will realise that entire astrological principles are totally based on wrong concept of Universe. Everybody may agree that every research is based on the then knowledge. In the same way, when astrology was developed by sage Parashar etc. At that time it was believed that Earth is in the centre of the Universe and stationary (it is also believed in all religions). Beside this it was also believed (you may read any old scriptures) that Sun is nearer from the Earth, whereas Moon is beyond Sun. All constellations are situated in between Mercury and Moon. You may be surprised to know that all astrological principles are actually fabricated around this concept. I my-self studying astrology since last 35 years and developed softwares to conclude correct prediction. But if it is true at one time then same combination is not true in other case. It leads me to think afresh logically and systematically over this subject and I find that Primitive concept (when astrology was developed) requires full overhauling in view of modern scientific astronomy, according to which primitive concept of Universe (basis of astrology) was totally changed. After lot of research I wrote an original book on astrology " Jyotish - Kitna sahi kitna galat " in Hindi (330 pages). This book contains the detailed procedure adopted to formulate these principles on the basis of the then knowledge about the Universe, which leads our sages to formulate these principles. This book was also published in English with the title " Astrology a science or myth " (450 pages). You can realize that this is revolutionary book and will change the face of predictive astrology in due course. If you interested to know more about the book or description of various chapters then you may send email to me. At that time our sages were neither aware of Uranus, Neptune nor they were aware that solar and lunar eclipses occurred due to presence of Moon and shadow of Earth. That's why they have developed the concept of Rahu and Ketu with retrograde motion of 3'11 " . It was mentioned in the Grahlaghav that eclipse occurred when Rahu/Ketu came within 14 degree on Amavasya (dark night) or Puranmashi (full Moon). But nobody will be able to answer that why there was no lunar eclipse when Sun, Moon and Rahu were at 203.01, 23.01 and 34.43 degree respectively on 08-11-1984 (Rahu was within 11.42 degree) or when Sun, Moon and Ketu were at 319.74, 139.74 and 150.26 degree respectively on 03-03-1988 ( Ketu was within 10.52 degree). Likewise I find that Solar eclipses occurred even when difference between Moon and Rahu was more then 14°. Sun and Moon were at 94.24 deg., whereas Rahu was at 79.04deg. on 21-07-1982 (Rahu was 15.20 deg. away). Sun and Moon were at 76.49 deg., whereas Rahu was at 91.93deg. on 02-07-2000 (Rahu was 15.14 deg. away). To give a modern scientific colour to the astrology, you will also find in many modern astrological books that eclipse occurred at the intersection point of orbit of the Sun and Moon (though it was not known to our sages and Rahu Ketu were created on the basis of myth). Thus it is clear that at the time of full solar eclipse, when Moon happens to be just over the Sun than Rahu must also be there. But As per almanac Ketu was shown at 194 and 177 degree on 12-11-1985 and 3-10-1986 (refer any almanac) respectively when there were full solar eclipse and position of Sun/Moon were at 206 and 166 degree respectively. You will agree that when there were full solar eclipses then on these dates either Rahu or Ketu must be at 206 and 166 degree respectively, because only then full solar eclipse may possible. Whereas Ketu was being shown at 194 and 177 degrees in almanac. Thus there was clear mistake of about 12 and 11 degrees respectively. All horoscopes are defective in this light and due to this fundamental positional variation, prediction is also effected. If you want then I can give many more examples and very simple method of detecting them. I fully support that astrology (predictive) is not a science but in primitive age predictive astrology was a mixture of astronomy + psychology + faith. Because astronomy is a science, psychology (recently discovered and it was not known in primitive age) played an important role in handling a person by the astrologer due to immense faith over astrology+astrologer hence predictive astrology appears to be correct due to combined effect of all three. You will also agree with the above observation after going through my original revolutionary research. Because if everything is pre-decided as was contention of sages then why we may take pains, why we may try to do some thing, because every thing will take place according to pre-written destiny. Secondly, there is no question of modifying that pre-written destiny, because if we try to change only our fate, even then all attached happening will automatically change creating a cascading effect, which in turn will change the pre-written fate of every person. In another case, if destiny is not pre-written or say pre-defined than it is not possible to detect it. Because when every Tom, Dick and Harry are changing their destiny due to worship, good deed etc. then destiny of every one will continue remain under change. You will agree that astrology is totally based on mathematical calculation regarding planets, whose transit is fixed and can never and never be altered. Now when transit or birth chart cannot be altered it means result of calculation or say prediction is also fixed. Then how one may change his destiny (if it is ever prewritten) by adopting some means like offering, ring, vastu etc. because in that case, if you like to say, then future events will be altered but how a calculation of planetary transit or linked prediction can be changed, which is fixed due to birth chart or fixed transit of planets? Those who think that astrology is a science may be rest assured that actually predictive astrology is not a science at all. Only astronomy and psychology (discovered only in last 200 years) were used unknowingly by our sages for some prediction and it appears correct. Hence predictive astrology is bogus and astrology is a myth. Because modern technologies like computer, TV, Newspaper etc. are being used to spread this myth in the cover up of science with vested business interest. Hence it requires a logical approach to fight this sort of ignorance. My book has vital scientific information in this regard and readers of the book are fully convinced that astrology (predictive) is bogus, because procedure adopted to formulate principles was neither logical nor based on correct information of Universe, solar system. Still if you have a faith on astrology then why don't you contact The James Randi Educational Foundation who offeres a US $1000000 prize to anyone who can demonstrate that astrology works. His e-mail and website is jref and http://www.randi.org I will like to have your critical comments for further interaction on my email sanatkumar_jain . It would be better to know the roots of astrology and facts, data behind it before falling in the trap and come forward to join hands because of AIDS (Astrology Is Damaging Society). Sanat Kumar Jain India 0751-2626868 * * On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 5:08 AM, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > Dear Vijay , Namaskar > > Well said. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal <rafal%40rohinaa.com> > > Vijayanarasimha H Pakka napisa?(a): > > > > > Dear aspirant, > > > > Your doubts dont surprise me at all, since they are most common > > feelings of people about astrology. Even I have passed out of premier > > institutes but my career isnt going anywhere. The reason for this is > > that my siddhamsha chart (chrat for education) is quite strong along > > with my 9th and 3rd house in my natal chart. But its interesting to > > see that my dashamsha chart (chart for profession) and also my 10th > > house in natal chart are not powerful. But if I had shown just my > > natal chart to a beginner in astrology he would have predicted grand > > rajayogas for me, but when I am failing miserably in life I would have > > blamed astrology not the astrologer. > > > > A good astrologer MUST see the divisional charts, the dashas, the > > transits, the drishtis of planets, the strength of planets ,etc. Only > > then should he predict. For example I have good rajayoga with venus, > > but since venus dasha doesnt come in my lifetime, the effect of this > > rajayoga isnt seen in my life, but seen only in small measures when > > venus antardashas pass. Hence there are numerous things to be seen in > > a horoscope not just the natal chart that a road-side astrologer sees > > and predicts. Please understand that if someone says " 1+2 = 5 " , you > > should call him a fool rather than call arithmetic a hoax subject. > > This is the mistake the so-called rational thinkers are doing. > > > > Regards, > > Vijay. > > > > g-ing g-ang bang bang <blr.aspirant@ gmail.com > > <blr.aspirant%40gmail.com>> wrote: Dear Rhoda, > > > > Thanks for your honest opinion. Just like you, I was also a believer but > > having been a silent observer on this forum and elsewhere, I am > > starting to > > have some doubts on astrology. Maybe this is because of my personal > > experience where my horoscope (and my educational background BE+MBA both > > from premier institutes) promises a lot in terms of raj yog etc but in > > reality my career is going nowhere. Maybe i am waiting for some divine > > help... > > > > Still, I -as well as others- are awaiting the opinion/coments/ > > suggestions of > > the learned gurus and other students of this forum. > > > > Om Tat Sat > > > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Rhoda Reporter <rhodes10 > > <rhodes10%40>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > hello!! > > > not sure what to make out of what i read. > > > all i know is that there is some truth in the astrology , as we know > for > > > years. > > > i am not into predictive astrology as a science, but do know from > > > experience how transits of planets make an impact on the native. > > > i find that interesting and amazing. > > > we learn behaviour patterns from reading charts. so there is some > truth > > > there. > > > predictions and remedial measures are still a grey area for me, as my > > > astro guru put it, > > > IF WE WERE TO WEAR GEMS AND STONES IN ALL OUR FINGERS, WE WOULD HAVE > NO > > > TROUBLE AND PROBLEMS...but that is not the case. > > > no one would suffer, > > > THAT IS NOT THE CASE > > > i feel very strongly about ENERGY HEALING instead. > > > THAT HELPS! > > > > > > god knows if anything i have written here makes sense...just my > > thoughts!! > > > > > > __,_a very._,___also a > > > a powerful prayer for all > > > > > > I'M SORRY > > > PLEASE FORGIVE ME > > > I LOVE YOU > > > THANK YOU > > > > > > with best regards and intentions > > > Rhoda > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. > > Try it > > > now. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Dear dipika, The validity of Vedic astrology cant be discussed like this through emails. Its like asking someone to explain the works of einstein thru some few stupid questions. To know what our great sages have done, you have to know a,b,c of astronomy first, which persons like sanatkumar and kaul havent studied, otherwise they wouldnt ask such stupid questions. People dont bother answering such idiotic questions because its like asking a mathematician to prove sin+cos=tan, which is absurd. Hence please stop asking such questions and try to study astrology from basics, then all your silly questions will be automatically answered. People who call astrology a hoax, wouldnt even have studied the a,b,c of astrology. Then how can they put forth any question relating to astrology. How would it look if a layman is arguing with einstein about his theory of relativity. He will just laugh and think what a stupid and arrogant person this man is. Hence, please study things first, then let us see if you have any questions. If you are a astrology-basher like kaul or sanatkumar (who just lick the white a**), please leave this forum and start a new forum where you can put forth his stupid questions. Cheers, Vijay. dipika blr <blr.aspirant wrote: Well, I found some questions worth asking w.r.t vedic astrology regds dipika Astrology a science or myth *HinduCalendar/message/2276 * Astrological principles are based on primitive knowledge that Sun is nearer to the Earth and Moon is far away from the Earth and so on…. Respected Shri Kaul sahib ji, Namaskar, I was reading your archives and find interesting interaction. I also find as to how some (so called) scholars are befooling simple minded Indians with their socalled translation, interpretation and explanation of some sloks of Ved or Vedang Jyotish and so on. I agree with your findings that there is nothing in Ved or Vedang Jyotish about Rashi, prediction etc.. I will like to say that all this traditions was developed after interaction of our civilisation with Greek civilisation. Our sages, who were able to pre-calculate eclipse ie. Problems to deity; then it was a common development of idea as to when we (sage) can calculate about the problems of deity (Sun /Moon) then why we can't calculate about the problems of humans (King and so on). With this though in mind they have an opportunity to know about the concept of Sign from Greek. Thus they were able to develop some predictive principles after fusing the concept of our religious myth about the Universe with sign etc. and formulated all basic principles of the astrology. I am enclosing a blog about predictive astrology. I know that this forum is fully devoted on calculation part. But because predictive astrology is popular and it is applied form of astronomy hence I am doing this trespass in your territory and request the readers that do not disturb the serious interaction, which is going on this forum. But if they want then they may please write to me on my email sanatkumar_jain. I once again request to readers that they may not disturb the interaction of the forum. I fully support your views that concept of sign was not Indian. I will like to add that if it would have been Indian then our sages could not approve the shape of Aries (Ram), Scorpio, Sagittarious (half horse half man) etc. because these shapes do not have any religious (Indian ie. Hindu, Jain, Bodh etc.) support, and our sages cannot draw an imaginary shape. But some scholars are in the habit of teaching some own explanation during translation of a slok. They can add any modern concept of solar-system or planetary information during explanation of any slok. By above I want to say that translation (in the form of explanation) can not be according to latest knowledge. It must be only translation and nothing else. Thus suppose if it is mentioned in the Ved that " Mein vaahan se aaya " or " I came on my vehicle " then it can not be translated that I came on Mercedez or Maruti or Motorcycle or aeroplane etc. If you do such translation than it is only modern explanation to lure public. Correct translation will only be " I came on my vehicle " . If you want to explain it then you have to study that which vaahan I have in those days. If you don't know that which vaahan I have in those days than you can at the most use those vaahan which were available in those days and say that I came on Horse, Rath, Paslki etc..But even than it is only explanation and not the translation. But you are not allowed to use Maruti, Mercedez etc. for vaahan. In view of this I am saying that socalled many scholars are doing the translation in the form of modern explanation. I hope reader will like listen what you (Sh. Kaul Ji) is saying after so much of self study and remember that basically you are not against any shastra but you are against the so called astrologer who are befooling others without reading or translating slok with vested interest. I think little hint is enough for those who has some logical power other wise it is of no use to pour a river over turned pot. In this situation we must try to save those who are not affected and who have some scientific temperament, instead of curing the dead wood. Waiting for some more usefull interaction between intelligent members. Thanks, Sanat Sanatkumar_jain 0751-2626868 My blog is as under. Readers may Pl interacts on my email and do not disturb the forum. Thanks ASTROLOGY A SCIENCE OR MYTH Readers who have faith on astrology may please read following lines, ponder and instead of sticking to some misconcept regarding astrology on which you have not studied in depth but you only have faith, because you have been informed like this. So come out and think with open mind and decide yourself as to whether astrology is scientific or is being given coverup of science due to some vested interest. At the time of formulating the astrological principles in early Primitive age, it was the concept that every living being has capacity to move, whereas lifeless thing cannot move. This religious philosophy leads sages to classify all so-called planet (Sun, Moon, Mars etc.) as super living being (Deities). In those days only sages had social sanction to study religious scriptures. Thus after prolonged observation of the sky they developed the skill to predict solar and lunar eclipse, which was the result of so-called grabbing the Sun and Moon by imaginary shadow planets Rahu and Ketu. They were also able to predict the timing of eclipse and its duration. They have devised an ingenious way to offer donations etc. to get them free from the clutches of Rahu and Ketu, which is still being followed. It was also religious concept that fate of everybody is pre-decided according to their deeds. Thus in this situation, it was common wisdom as to when sages were able to predict the fate of deities like Sun and Moon then why they could not predict the fate of King and so on. Thus procedure was devised to formulate various astrological principles on the basis of the then knowledge of sages based on scriptures and their celestial observation. These principles were the key factors for deciding the fate. Procedure adopted to formulate these principles was never percolated in the Indian society due to illiteracy and hard barrier to learn such knowledge by other castes. Subsequently these principles were spread to other civilisation and later on developed as Western system. What is happening nowadays that there are two groups. One group belongs to astrologers who always try to support astrology due to their business considerations, whereas other group (say scientist) try to raise some logical questions against astrology. But none of them have ever tried to investigate as to what was the level of information of sages about the Universe, who developed astrological principles in primitive age and what procedure was adopted to formulate various principles relating to Lordship, Friendship-enmity, Exalted-debilitated, Aspect, Vinshottary periodicity etc. If we analyse whole set of principles then following questions may be raised 1 What procedure was adopted to allot twelve signs among seven planets (as Mars is lord of Aries, Scorpio etc.) ? 2 What procedure was adopted to decide that there is enmity and friendship between some planets (as Sun and Saturn are enemy of each other) ? 3 What procedure was adopted to decide various aspect (full, quarter to full, half and quarter), (as planets have full aspect on seventh house) ? 4 What procedure was adopted to decide that planets are exalted and debilitated at some degree (as Sun is exalted at 10 deg. of Aries sign) ? 5 What procedure was adopted to decide that most powerful and hub of our solar system, Sun has 6 years vinshottary dasha whereas Venus (a small planet) has 20 years ? 6 What procedure was adopted to allot various constellations between nine planets with different vinshottary dasha ? 7 What procedure was adopted to decide order of days of a week (Sunday, Monday etc.) ? 8 What procedure was adopted to decide fixed retrograde motion of Rahu Ketu (3-11 minute-second per day)? 9 What procedure was adopted to decide that Rahu, Ketu are 180 deg. apart? 10 What procedure was adopted to decide timings of eclipse ? Thus there may be endless questions, with a final question as to whether present form of astrology is correct? If some one gave answers to these questions then he will realise that entire astrological principles are totally based on wrong concept of Universe. Everybody may agree that every research is based on the then knowledge. In the same way, when astrology was developed by sage Parashar etc. At that time it was believed that Earth is in the centre of the Universe and stationary (it is also believed in all religions). Beside this it was also believed (you may read any old scriptures) that Sun is nearer from the Earth, whereas Moon is beyond Sun. All constellations are situated in between Mercury and Moon. You may be surprised to know that all astrological principles are actually fabricated around this concept. I my-self studying astrology since last 35 years and developed softwares to conclude correct prediction. But if it is true at one time then same combination is not true in other case. It leads me to think afresh logically and systematically over this subject and I find that Primitive concept (when astrology was developed) requires full overhauling in view of modern scientific astronomy, according to which primitive concept of Universe (basis of astrology) was totally changed. After lot of research I wrote an original book on astrology " Jyotish - Kitna sahi kitna galat " in Hindi (330 pages). This book contains the detailed procedure adopted to formulate these principles on the basis of the then knowledge about the Universe, which leads our sages to formulate these principles. This book was also published in English with the title " Astrology a science or myth " (450 pages). You can realize that this is revolutionary book and will change the face of predictive astrology in due course. If you interested to know more about the book or description of various chapters then you may send email to me. At that time our sages were neither aware of Uranus, Neptune nor they were aware that solar and lunar eclipses occurred due to presence of Moon and shadow of Earth. That's why they have developed the concept of Rahu and Ketu with retrograde motion of 3'11 " . It was mentioned in the Grahlaghav that eclipse occurred when Rahu/Ketu came within 14 degree on Amavasya (dark night) or Puranmashi (full Moon). But nobody will be able to answer that why there was no lunar eclipse when Sun, Moon and Rahu were at 203.01, 23.01 and 34.43 degree respectively on 08-11-1984 (Rahu was within 11.42 degree) or when Sun, Moon and Ketu were at 319.74, 139.74 and 150.26 degree respectively on 03-03-1988 ( Ketu was within 10.52 degree). Likewise I find that Solar eclipses occurred even when difference between Moon and Rahu was more then 14°. Sun and Moon were at 94.24 deg., whereas Rahu was at 79.04deg. on 21-07-1982 (Rahu was 15.20 deg. away). Sun and Moon were at 76.49 deg., whereas Rahu was at 91.93deg. on 02-07-2000 (Rahu was 15.14 deg. away). To give a modern scientific colour to the astrology, you will also find in many modern astrological books that eclipse occurred at the intersection point of orbit of the Sun and Moon (though it was not known to our sages and Rahu Ketu were created on the basis of myth). Thus it is clear that at the time of full solar eclipse, when Moon happens to be just over the Sun than Rahu must also be there. But As per almanac Ketu was shown at 194 and 177 degree on 12-11-1985 and 3-10-1986 (refer any almanac) respectively when there were full solar eclipse and position of Sun/Moon were at 206 and 166 degree respectively. You will agree that when there were full solar eclipses then on these dates either Rahu or Ketu must be at 206 and 166 degree respectively, because only then full solar eclipse may possible. Whereas Ketu was being shown at 194 and 177 degrees in almanac. Thus there was clear mistake of about 12 and 11 degrees respectively. All horoscopes are defective in this light and due to this fundamental positional variation, prediction is also effected. If you want then I can give many more examples and very simple method of detecting them. I fully support that astrology (predictive) is not a science but in primitive age predictive astrology was a mixture of astronomy + psychology + faith. Because astronomy is a science, psychology (recently discovered and it was not known in primitive age) played an important role in handling a person by the astrologer due to immense faith over astrology+astrologer hence predictive astrology appears to be correct due to combined effect of all three. You will also agree with the above observation after going through my original revolutionary research. Because if everything is pre-decided as was contention of sages then why we may take pains, why we may try to do some thing, because every thing will take place according to pre-written destiny. Secondly, there is no question of modifying that pre-written destiny, because if we try to change only our fate, even then all attached happening will automatically change creating a cascading effect, which in turn will change the pre-written fate of every person. In another case, if destiny is not pre-written or say pre-defined than it is not possible to detect it. Because when every Tom, Dick and Harry are changing their destiny due to worship, good deed etc. then destiny of every one will continue remain under change. You will agree that astrology is totally based on mathematical calculation regarding planets, whose transit is fixed and can never and never be altered. Now when transit or birth chart cannot be altered it means result of calculation or say prediction is also fixed. Then how one may change his destiny (if it is ever prewritten) by adopting some means like offering, ring, vastu etc. because in that case, if you like to say, then future events will be altered but how a calculation of planetary transit or linked prediction can be changed, which is fixed due to birth chart or fixed transit of planets? Those who think that astrology is a science may be rest assured that actually predictive astrology is not a science at all. Only astronomy and psychology (discovered only in last 200 years) were used unknowingly by our sages for some prediction and it appears correct. Hence predictive astrology is bogus and astrology is a myth. Because modern technologies like computer, TV, Newspaper etc. are being used to spread this myth in the cover up of science with vested business interest. Hence it requires a logical approach to fight this sort of ignorance. My book has vital scientific information in this regard and readers of the book are fully convinced that astrology (predictive) is bogus, because procedure adopted to formulate principles was neither logical nor based on correct information of Universe, solar system. Still if you have a faith on astrology then why don't you contact The James Randi Educational Foundation who offeres a US $1000000 prize to anyone who can demonstrate that astrology works. His e-mail and website is jref and http://www.randi.org I will like to have your critical comments for further interaction on my email sanatkumar_jain . It would be better to know the roots of astrology and facts, data behind it before falling in the trap and come forward to join hands because of AIDS (Astrology Is Damaging Society). Sanat Kumar Jain India 0751-2626868 * * On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 5:08 AM, Rafal Gendarz wrote: > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > Dear Vijay , Namaskar > > Well said. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > > Vijayanarasimha H Pakka napisa?(a): > > > > > Dear aspirant, > > > > Your doubts dont surprise me at all, since they are most common > > feelings of people about astrology. Even I have passed out of premier > > institutes but my career isnt going anywhere. The reason for this is > > that my siddhamsha chart (chrat for education) is quite strong along > > with my 9th and 3rd house in my natal chart. But its interesting to > > see that my dashamsha chart (chart for profession) and also my 10th > > house in natal chart are not powerful. But if I had shown just my > > natal chart to a beginner in astrology he would have predicted grand > > rajayogas for me, but when I am failing miserably in life I would have > > blamed astrology not the astrologer. > > > > A good astrologer MUST see the divisional charts, the dashas, the > > transits, the drishtis of planets, the strength of planets ,etc. Only > > then should he predict. For example I have good rajayoga with venus, > > but since venus dasha doesnt come in my lifetime, the effect of this > > rajayoga isnt seen in my life, but seen only in small measures when > > venus antardashas pass. Hence there are numerous things to be seen in > > a horoscope not just the natal chart that a road-side astrologer sees > > and predicts. Please understand that if someone says " 1+2 = 5 " , you > > should call him a fool rather than call arithmetic a hoax subject. > > This is the mistake the so-called rational thinkers are doing. > > > > Regards, > > Vijay. > > > > g-ing g-ang bang bang > > > wrote: Dear Rhoda, > > > > Thanks for your honest opinion. Just like you, I was also a believer but > > having been a silent observer on this forum and elsewhere, I am > > starting to > > have some doubts on astrology. Maybe this is because of my personal > > experience where my horoscope (and my educational background BE+MBA both > > from premier institutes) promises a lot in terms of raj yog etc but in > > reality my career is going nowhere. Maybe i am waiting for some divine > > help... > > > > Still, I -as well as others- are awaiting the opinion/coments/ > > suggestions of > > the learned gurus and other students of this forum. > > > > Om Tat Sat > > > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Rhoda Reporter > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > hello!! > > > not sure what to make out of what i read. > > > all i know is that there is some truth in the astrology , as we know > for > > > years. > > > i am not into predictive astrology as a science, but do know from > > > experience how transits of planets make an impact on the native. > > > i find that interesting and amazing. > > > we learn behaviour patterns from reading charts. so there is some > truth > > > there. > > > predictions and remedial measures are still a grey area for me, as my > > > astro guru put it, > > > IF WE WERE TO WEAR GEMS AND STONES IN ALL OUR FINGERS, WE WOULD HAVE > NO > > > TROUBLE AND PROBLEMS...but that is not the case. > > > no one would suffer, > > > THAT IS NOT THE CASE > > > i feel very strongly about ENERGY HEALING instead. > > > THAT HELPS! > > > > > > god knows if anything i have written here makes sense...just my > > thoughts!! > > > > > > __,_a very._,___also a > > > a powerful prayer for all > > > > > > I'M SORRY > > > PLEASE FORGIVE ME > > > I LOVE YOU > > > THANK YOU > > > > > > with best regards and intentions > > > Rhoda > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. > > Try it > > > now. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Dear Sanat Kumar Jain Sorry to tell you something. Dont you get upset. Honestly I have not met a man of idiotic nature as you who deserves to be banned from any astrological forum. " Little knowledge is always dangerous " D. T. Ganesh --- Vijayanarasimha H Pakka <hpvijaynarasimha wrote: > Dear dipika, > > The validity of Vedic astrology cant be discussed > like this through emails. Its like asking someone to > explain the works of einstein thru some few stupid > questions. To know what our great sages have done, > you have to know a,b,c of astronomy first, which > persons like sanatkumar and kaul havent studied, > otherwise they wouldnt ask such stupid questions. > People dont bother answering such idiotic questions > because its like asking a mathematician to prove > sin+cos=tan, which is absurd. Hence please stop > asking such questions and try to study astrology > from basics, then all your silly questions will be > automatically answered. People who call astrology a > hoax, wouldnt even have studied the a,b,c of > astrology. Then how can they put forth any question > relating to astrology. How would it look if a layman > is arguing with einstein about his theory of > relativity. He will just laugh and think what a > stupid and arrogant person this man is. Hence, > please study things first, then let us see > if you have any questions. If you are a > astrology-basher like kaul or sanatkumar (who just > lick the white a**), please leave this forum and > start a new forum where you can put forth his stupid > questions. > > Cheers, > Vijay. > > dipika blr <blr.aspirant wrote: Well, I > found some questions worth asking w.r.t vedic > astrology > > regds > > dipika > > > > Astrology a science or myth > > *HinduCalendar/message/2276 > > * Astrological principles are based on primitive > knowledge that Sun is > nearer to the Earth and Moon is far away from the > Earth and so on…. > > Respected Shri Kaul sahib ji, > Namaskar, > I was reading your archives and find interesting > interaction. I also find > as to how some (so called) scholars are befooling > simple minded Indians > with their socalled translation, interpretation and > explanation of some > sloks of Ved or Vedang Jyotish and so on. > > I agree with your findings that there is nothing in > Ved or Vedang Jyotish > about Rashi, prediction etc.. I will like to say > that all this traditions > was developed after interaction of our civilisation > with Greek civilisation. > Our sages, who were able to pre-calculate eclipse > ie. Problems to deity; > then it was a common development of idea as to when > we (sage) can calculate > about the problems of deity (Sun /Moon) then why we > can't calculate about > the problems of humans (King and so on). With this > though in mind they have > an opportunity to know about the concept of Sign > from Greek. Thus they were > able to develop some predictive principles after > fusing the concept of our > religious myth about the Universe with sign etc. and > formulated all basic > principles of the astrology. > > I am enclosing a blog about predictive astrology. I > know that this forum is > fully devoted on calculation part. But because > predictive astrology is > popular and it is applied form of astronomy hence I > am doing this trespass > in your territory and request the readers that do > not disturb the serious > interaction, which is going on this forum. But if > they want then they may > please write to me on my email sanatkumar_jain. > I once again request to > readers that they may not disturb the interaction of > the forum. > > I fully support your views that concept of sign was > not Indian. I will like > to add that if it would have been Indian then our > sages could not approve > the shape of Aries (Ram), Scorpio, Sagittarious > (half horse half man) etc. > because these shapes do not have any religious > (Indian ie. Hindu, Jain, Bodh > etc.) support, and our sages cannot draw an > imaginary shape. But some > scholars are in the habit of teaching some own > explanation during > translation of a slok. They can add any modern > concept of solar-system or > planetary information during explanation of any > slok. > By above I want to say that translation (in the form > of explanation) can not > be according to latest knowledge. It must be only > translation and nothing > else. Thus suppose if it is mentioned in the Ved > that " Mein vaahan se aaya " > or " I came on my vehicle " then it can not be > translated that I came on > Mercedez or Maruti or Motorcycle or aeroplane etc. > If you do such > translation than it is only modern explanation to > lure public. Correct > translation will only be " I came on my vehicle " . If > you want to explain it > then you have to study that which vaahan I have in > those days. If you don't > know that which vaahan I have in those days than you > can at the most use > those vaahan which were available in those days and > say that I came on > Horse, Rath, Paslki etc..But even than it is only > explanation and not the > translation. But you are not allowed to use Maruti, > Mercedez etc. for > vaahan. In view of this I am saying that socalled > many scholars are doing > the translation in the form of modern explanation. > > I hope reader will like listen what you (Sh. Kaul > Ji) is saying after so > much of self study and remember that basically you > are not against any > shastra but you are against the so called astrologer > who are befooling > others without reading or translating slok with > vested interest. I think > little hint is enough for those who has some logical > power other wise it is > of no use to pour a river over turned pot. In this > situation we must try to > save those who are not affected and who have some > scientific temperament, > instead of curing the dead wood. > > Waiting for some more usefull interaction between > intelligent members. > > Thanks, > Sanat > Sanatkumar_jain > 0751-2626868 > > My blog is as under. Readers may Pl interacts on my > email and do not disturb > the forum. Thanks > > ASTROLOGY A SCIENCE OR MYTH > > Readers who have faith on astrology may please read > following lines, ponder > and instead of sticking to some misconcept regarding > astrology on which you > have not studied in depth but you only have faith, > because you have been > informed like this. So come out and think with open > mind and decide yourself > as to whether astrology is scientific or is being > given coverup of science > due to some vested interest. > > At the time of formulating the astrological > principles in early Primitive > age, it was the concept that every living being has > capacity to move, > whereas lifeless thing cannot move. This religious > philosophy leads sages to > classify all so-called planet (Sun, Moon, Mars etc.) > as super living being > (Deities). In those days only sages had social > sanction to study religious > scriptures. Thus after prolonged observation of the > sky they developed the > skill to predict solar and lunar eclipse, which was > the result of so-called > grabbing the Sun and Moon by imaginary shadow > planets Rahu and Ketu. They > were also able to predict the timing of eclipse and > its duration. They have > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Respected Sirs, “Vedic astrology” – the greatest fraud on the Vedas Namaskar! The following speech was delivered in September 2006 at Rotary Club, West Delhi. The same talk appeared later as an article in the souvenir of the seminar on “Vedic astronomy & Cosmology”—December 2006. I am sure you will find it interesting. Regards, A K Kaul Om tat sat brahmarpanamastu! Om Brahmanandam Parama sukhadam kevalam gyan moortim, dwandvateetam gagana sadrisham tat-tvam asyadi lakshyam ekam nityam vimalam achalamsarva dhee sakshi bhootam, bhavateetam triguna rahitam shree gurum tam namami " Vedic Astrology " - the greatest fraud on the Vedas! Dear friends. Good evening to everybody! I feel highly honoured to have been invited by Shri Ajay Bhasin for sharing my views about astrology and related topics with respected personalities assembled here. As most of us already know, we call these predictive gimmicks as “Vedic astrology” these days. When I was asked by Shri Bhasin about the heading of my talk, I had thought of making it as “Vedic Astrology – the greatest fraud on the Vedas”. On second thoughts, fearing that it would be too explosive a heading, I made it a sugar coated bitter pill by changing it to “Do we celebrate our festivals on correct days?”. Well, actually, both i.e., the fraud known as “Vedic astrology” and “our celebrating all our festivals on wrong days” are inter-related. Let me start with “Vedic astrology” - as to why I call it a fraud! There is hardly anyone in India, who does not want to know as to when his “sade–sati” will start or end or as to which Dasha-antardasha he is running and when that will end etc. etc. even if he does not know ABC of jyotisha. I have gone through all those pangs myself and made a thorough study of all the astrological works besides a lot of astronomical books! I studied Western system of astrology also and had become a sort of famous astrologer, though my predictions were as correct as anybody else’s i.e. hardly 50%. However, this is a secret that no “jyotishi” shares with anybody -- that his/her predictions are hardly more correct than fifty per cent, whatever logic or Ayanamsha he/she may use! When I analyzed the reasons for such a dismal rate of success, the conclusions were startling! And I am keeping those very conclusions before you! Before proceeding further, I must, however, say something about myself since you are well within your rights to ask me as to what “qualifications” I have to demolish astrology that is being practised over the last several centuries, nay even millennia! My credentials Though I am not laying any claims to being a scholar, however, I have actually studied all the four Vedas in original “archaic” Sanskrit with their different “Bhashyas”, besides the various Brahmanas like Shatapatha, Aitreya, Tatiriya etc. etc. I have studied, (in original Sanskrit!) about two hundred all the important Upanishads as well! I have also gone through both the epics viz. the Valmiki Ramayana and the Mahabharata --- in Sanskrit and from cover to cover, besides Adhyatma Ramayana, Ramacharitamanasa etc. etc.! There is hardly any Purana whether the Bhagavata, Shivapurana, Vishnu, Narada, Devi, Varaha, Matsya and Vishnudharmotara etc. etc. that I have not gone through in original Sanskrit. I have also studied exhaustively all the ancient astronomical works like the Vedanga Jyotisha, Panchasidhantika, Surya Sidhanta, Arya Bhati, Sidhanta Shiromani etc. etc. To crown it all, I was not a born renegade against the established traditions. On the other hand, I was initially “hypnotized” by “Vedic astrology” and “panchangas” myself and there is hardly any “text-book” of astrology either in Sanskrit or Urdu or English or Hindi that I have not studied with due reverence, as if I was studying the Vedas! Having established my credentials thus, I CAN DECLARE IT WITHOUT ANY HESITATION AND WITH ALL THE EMPHASIS AT MY COMMAND, THAT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO PREDICTIVE ASTROLOGY IN ANY OF THE VEDAS, UPANISHADAS OR BRAHMANAS. There are, however, some references to some odd types of predictions in some of the Puranas and the epics and therefore calling it as really a post-Vedic astrology is more correct. There is a rider there also, and that is that according to these scriptures, Makara Sankranti i.e. Pongal is nothing but a synonym of Uttarayana (the shortest day of the year) i.e. Winter Solstice and as everybody knows, it can take place these days only on or around December 21 every year. Thus the Uttarayana-cum-Makar Sankranti that we are celebrating now-a-days on January 14 is absolutely wrong and does not have any authority from any shastra or even modern astronomy. Similarly, the Vaishakhi that is being celebrated on April 14 or so also is wrong since Mesha Sankranti is nothing but Vishuva (Vernal Equinox) or Vasant Sampat and it cannot take place on any day other than March 21/22, when the day and night are equal. Actually these Makara etc. sankrantis were known as Tapah etc. months during the Vedic period as there are no rashis in the Vedas but just six seasons and Madhu, Madhava etc. twelve months. As such, we are celebrating all our fasts, fairs and muhurtas on wrong days -- thanks to “Vedic astrologers” and their “Vedic astrology”. The first and foremost thing I learnt from our shastras is that no system of predictions has any sanction either from the Vedas or even Puranas least of all our dharmashastras etc. since all our shastras admonish us from consulting “nakshatra jeevis” so much so that the Manusmriti calls these nakshatrasoochis as outcastes and not fit to sit in any sabha of learned people. Those who can foresee our future do not reveal it to us beforehand: All the Ramayanas, whether Valmiki or Adhyatma or Ramacharitamanasa etc. etc. say that before deciding about the coronation of Bhagwan Rama, Dashratha wanted his guru Vasishtha to confirm the suitable muhurta for that function. It was on the advice of Vasishtha Muni that Dasharatha decided to anoint Rama as the Yuvraja the very next day, as it was “Tishya” i.e. Pushya nakshata then. From this anecdote, it is clear that either Vasishtha Muni did not know as to what was going to happen to Dasharatha by declaring Bhagwan Rama as a crown-prince or Vasishtha kept quiet deliberately since he did not want to interfere in the divine dispensation! Obviously, being the son of Brahmaji and a highly exalted yogi as well as a jnyani, Vasishtha-muni could peep into past as well as future. It means that even if some exalted souls can foresee as to what is going to happen, they do not reveal our “bhavishya” before hand, unlike some of the astrologers of today, who masquerade as “Parasharas” and “Vamadevas” to tell us even our past and future janmas just by glancing at our birth-charts, even if those charts are wrong! The Gita is said to be the gist of all our shastras. When Arjuna expressed his doubt by saying naitadvidmah katarnno gareeyo, yadva jayema yadi va no jayeyuh “I do not know what is good for me nor do I know whether we will win or the Kauravas will win the war”, Bhagwan Krishna neither asked him to consult some soothsayer nor did He tell him to wear some ruby! He just advised Arjuna ”hato va prapsyasi swargam jitva va bokshyase maheem” i.e. “You must fight. If you get killed in the war, you will go to the heavens and if you win it you will be the lord of the whole world”. Thus all it boils down to is the fact that those who know (including Lord Krishna Himself!) as to what is going to happen and when do not divulge such “secrets” before hand to us. Remedial measures are a farce: Almost all the jyotishis suggest one or the other remedial measure to their clients, and mostly these are gems like diamond or ruby or sapphire etc. etc. What is surprising is that we have become so obsessed with Jyotish that we forget the entire itihasa of our past! (i) If these gems are that efficacious, why was then Dasharatha not suggested some “ruby” or “coral” to ward off the evil Dasha that was going to kill him when Rama would leave for the forests? Well, because our Rishis did not believe in such gimmicks at all! (ii) Bhagwan Krishna was born in a prison --- I wonder why He could not use some “sapphire” to be born in a palace! (iii) Vasudeva and Devaki---the parents of Bhagwan Krishna--- were in chains when He was born! It is said that Lord Krishna was a complete – 16 kala sampoorna --- divine incarnation of Vishnu and was thus really Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient! But in spite of His Omniscience, Omnipotence and Omnipresence, Lord Krishna could not relieve the miseries of his parents, Vasudeva and Devaki, who had to remain in chains till Krishna killed Kansa! What does it demonstrate? Just the fact that if the Omniscient, Omnipresent and Omnipotent Krishna could not relieve the miseries of His own father or mother before the appointed time, how can a ruby or a sapphire---or some Mangala or Shani yagya--- remove all our miseries or fulfil all our ambitions? Obviously, we are being taken for a ride by such Jyotishis! iv) Then not in the distant past, Smti Indira Gandhi would run after astrologers for knowing her future. She wore a rare and original ekamukhi rudraksha, which only either the Maharaja of Nepal had or she was wearing! It is said that some top-notch jyotishis had suggested that rudraksha to her! Ironically, both the King of Nepal as well Mrs. Indira Gandhi were assassinated “by the people” they “had trusted”----ekamukhi rudraksha not withstanding! What does it prove? That we should not be hoodwinked by soothsayers! v) Then again a well known Tantrik of yore---highly respected by the then PM--- is out on bail, not by dint of his “Tantra-Kriya” but because of some legal loopholes in FERA! Similarly, Dhirendra Brahmachari, another high profile “Tantrik”, met with an accident in the plane he was flying himself! If he could not see his own death looming large how could he forewarn others! What does that prove? Obviously, it warns us against relying on any soothsayers, especially if they call themselves “Vedic Jyotishis” since they are taking us for a ride literally. Kalasarpa Dosha -- a non-existent fear psychosis: These days we hear a lot about Kalasarpa Dosha! It is said to be present in any horoscope if all the planets are between Rahu and Ketu! My God! What a humbug! Rahu and Ketu are actually nodes of the Moon! That means they are just mathematical points without any dimensions ---therefore without any physical existence whatsoever! So according to “Vedic astrologers” even such “non-existent” phenomena can make our lives miserable for which we must do some upay! Do you need any other proofs for the jugglery that these cheats are indulging in? THE ONLY EFFECTIVE REMEDY, or UPAY, THEREFORE, IS THAT WE MUST REMEMBER HIM, THE ALMIGHTY, EVERY MOMENT OF OUR LIVES AND LEAVE EVERY THING TO HIS DIVINE WILL!. Fake Brighu Samhitas and Parasharis: We find a Brighu Samhita or a nadi Jyotishi or Aruna Samhita etc. in every Muhalla these days! However, there is no mention in any of the Puranas or shastras that any Rishi like Vasishtha or Garga or Brighu etc. have ever written any books on predictive astrology. The Vishnu Purana by Parashara is full of astronomical references ---and that also sayana i.e. the seasonal year when Mesha sankranti is another name of Spring Equinox and so on, but we do not find any mention of any Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra there! Obviously, it is the worst concoction that can ever be had, and may be that is why such a Parashari is the bible of “Vedic astrologers” India has gone downhill because of astrology and astrologers: In India, we have started going downhill ever since our rulers started running after Jyotishis. In ancient days, during the time of the Mahabharata, it was a dharma yudha that we had to fight against our own Duryodhanas but ever since the advent of astrology almost simultaneously with the invasion of Alexander the Great, and then the “Yavana Jatakam” of Sphujidwaja and the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the Yavana (mlechha!), we had to fight outsiders! The more the foreigners invaded us the more our rulers, instead of making a united effort against the invaders, started consulting soothsayers whom they called Rajajyotishis! Varahamihira the worst culprit: The maximum credit for creating such a fear psychosis of omens and ghosts and ghouls and storms and even clouds goes to Varahamihira of 5th century AD through his Brihat Samita and Brihat Jatakam and Panchasidhantika! Before venturing into the battlefield, our monarchs would ask their soothsayers to prepare “narpati jaya charya” and consult Brihat Samhita etc. to see whether the “ketuchara” was favourable at that time or not! No wonder with such a preliminary and hopeless knowledge of astronomical facts, we were being pushed back into dark ages by Varahamihira and his followers! Our historical records are witness to the fact that we were vanquished in every battle, whether it was with Alexander the Great or Muhamud of Gazni or Chengiz Khan or Nadir Shah or the Moguls or finally the East India Company, thanks to the dependence of our monarchs on soothsayers (Rajajyotishis, huh!) instead of the principles of war strategy and statecraft as adumbrated by the Vedas, the Manu and even Chanakya, who chided kings for consulting soothsayers! BJP the latest example: The fate of the BJP has not been any better than that of our earlier monarchs by depending more on their “Vedic Jyotishis” who were responsible for getting “Vedic Jyotisha (sic!)” prescribed in Indian Universities! It is that very move that boomeranged on the party and even the “Minister of astrology” did not win his own parliamentary seat from Allahabad, let alone being the Union Minister again. Do you need any other proofs of the fact that these “Vedic Jyotishis” will make you lose your seat of power well before the appointed day just by making you advance your elections? If we continue to follow the trend of our “monarchs” of having blind faith in our soothsayers, then sooner than later we will become Babylon of yesteryears, which is known as Iraq today! Kashmiri Pandits were the worst affected by their blind faith in Jyotishis: Another reason for my revolt against the so called “Vedic astrology” is that as a Kashmiri Pandit, I have more to blame panchanga makers and soothsayers and their predictive gimmicks than anything or anybody else since they never forewarned us about any calamities that were going to befall us! On the other hand, just to prove their astrological gimmicks, they just made ---and are still making --- us celebrate all our festivals, including Mahashivaratri, Vasanti Navratras, Ramanavami, Janmashtami and Sharadiya navratras etc. on wrong days. It is these very jyotishis, whom we had treated as our friends, philosophers and guides, who are responsible for our downfall as Kahsmiri Pandits, since they proved neither our friends, nor philosophers least of all our guides! These Panchanga makers/jyotishis were the first to flee from Kashmir in 1990--- like the king Hari Singh at the time of Pakistani raid in 1948--- since they had already made their alternate homes in safer places like Jammu and Delhi. Those Jyotishis just proved to be Shylocks, who were only interested in their Pound of flesh by way of Dakshinas for janmapatris and matching of horoscopes -- all cheating and nothing else! These soothsayers have such a hypnotic grip on us that initially even I was brain washed to believe that the Vedas had nothing else to do excepting teaching us predictive astrology! I was so convinced that it appeared that even the principle of Secondary Progressions must have been exported from India to Western countries as the principle of “A day equals a year” was mentioned in our Vedas! But thank God, I woke up to the situation and could see through their tricks. There are no Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis in the Vedas: Leave alone predictive gimmicks, actually there are neither rashis like Mesha, Vrisha etc. nor planets like Mangal, Shani etc. in the Vedas, Upanishads, Brahmanas etc. Similarly, the Vedanga Jyotisha, the first indigenous astronomical work of 14th century BCE, just tells us only as to how to calculate tithi, nakshatra and Uttarayana-cum-Tapah-cum Magha etc. months. It does not list any Mesha etc. rashis nor any planets like Mangal, Budha etc. Same is the case with Yajur Jyotisha of about 11th century BCE and later Atharva Jyotisha of about 5th century BCE, which does not have any Rashis though it talks of planets. As such, it is really a fraud on the Vedas being played by some charlatans to call any predictive gimmicks as Vedic astrology and hail themselves as “Vedic Jyotishis”. It is a crime under “The Consumer Protection Act” as it is a misrepresentation of facts to a client and is thus a deficiency in service. Our predictions in the past also could never have been correct: It is said that over the past about 2000 years, our ancestors like Varahamihira or his son Prithuyashas etc., could make marvellously correct predictions. THAT IS NOTHING BUT HOGWASH! Let us see how: prior to the advent of scientific astronomy into India, i.e. about a couple of centuries back, panchangas were based on astronomical works like the Surya Sidhanta or Aryabhati or Sidhanta Shirmoani etc. etc. I have prepared a software called “Mahesh”. It calculates, apart from the actual tithi, nakshatra, yoga, karna etc., the mean longitudes of all the planets from 10000 BCE to 12030 AD i.e. for more than 22,000 years as per the Surya Sidhanta, Aryabhati or Sidhanta Shiromani etc. besides comparing them with the longitudes as per modern astronomy. Anybody can download it freely from my discussion forum HinduCalendar Unfortunately for these jyotishis, we find that the very fundamental arguments of these sidahntas like the Surya Sidhanta, the Aryabhati, the Sidhanta Shiromani etc. etc. are absolutely wrong! . That naturally means that any panchanga based on them would also be wrong, with the result that any horoscope prepared on the basis of those panchangas could never be correct. Thus it is impossible for any astrological predictions to have been correct in the past! As such, it is all like the famous couplet of Ghalib “yoon to hai hamko janat ki haqeeqat maloom lekin; dil ke bahlane ko Ghalib yeh khayal achha hai” Astrology cannot be a science Predictive astrology is supposed to be a “science”! What a preposterous statement! When the data on which predictions were based or are based these days are not correct, how can the results be correct and how can we call it a science at all? Stars do not affect us: It is said that stars affect us! It appears either these astrologers have gone honkers themselves or they suppose that the whole world has really gone mad! Let us see how: I am a puny human being on this small planet called earth. The sun is hundreds of thousands of times larger than the earth! And there are other stars of our nakshatra/rashichakra that are supposed to affect me individually as per the Dasha-Bhukti that is running in my horoscope! However, this fantastic statement has no leg to stand upon since the nearest star of that Rashichakra is Shravana! And do you know its distance from me? It is seventeen light years! And it is several times larger than our sun! In other words, if that star wants i.e. Shravana wants to “affect” me individually, it will take it at least seventeen years to do so even if that “effect” travels at the speed of light! And by then, my Rahu or Shani or whatever Dasha it may be must have been over! Then how can such a star which is trillions of times larger than me send its rays in a concentrated form just to haunt me at a particular point of time! Can you imagine what type of laughing stocks we are making of ourselves by believing in such hocus pocus! Similarly, the next nearest star of our Rashichakra is Swati ! It is away by 26 light years from me and is again several times larger than our sun!! It thus defies imagination as to how we can call astrology a science or how it can be said that the “Stars affect us”. Patri Melapak (Horoscope Matching) is not warranted by shastras nor astrology books: Now coming to the fad called Patri Melapak i.e. horoscope matching! This fad is the rage of the day! You will be surprised to know that none of our shastras, whether the Manusmriti or the Ramayana or the Mahabharata, leave alone the Vedas, have anything to do with Patri Melapak even by mistake! We do not find any instances that any Vedic Rishi was addicted to such a fad, since may be then most of them would still have been looking for a “suitable Patri” for melapak! Not to speak of Dharma shastras, there is no mention of this type of a malady in any of the astrology books like the so called Parashari, or Mansagari or Phala Deepika or Jataka Parijata or any other work! It appears to be a creation of the jyotishis of over the last one hundred years or so. Aleberuni, who visited India in 1030 AD and recorded quite faithfully all his experiences about Jyotisha and other things in India also has not mentioned anything of any “Melapak” in his work! “All India Calendar Reform Committee”: Summing up, as we have just seen, not only are we subjected to non-existent fear psychosis like Kalasarpa Dosha and Patri Melapak etc. but we are compelled to celebrate all our festivals on worng days. There are quite a few people who agree with my point of view that these days we are celebrating Pitra Amavasya on the day of Dipavali and marriages during Pitra-Paksha! Similarly, we never celebrate Makar Sankranti on correct days i.e. December 21/22 but we celebrate it on January 14. We also celebrate Vaishakhi on April 14 instead of the day of Spring Equinox i.e., March 21 or so. This has been all because of the so called “Vedic astrology” To put our festivals back on the right track, I made quite a few representations to the Hon’ble President of India, the Prime Minister of India, various ministries besides the Positional Astronomy Centre at Calcutta, who publish our Rashtriya Panchanga. I also made similar representations to all the reverred Shankaracharyas of all the six peethas, besides other saints and Mahatmas, but sorry to say, there has been absolutely no response from any quarter! We have now formed an “All India Calendar Reform Committee” and are enrolling members for the same. Those interested can log on to HinduCalendar for entering into discussions regarding the same. You can also get a list of correct dates of festivals for 2006 and 2007 from that forum. As an alternative, you can get in touch with me whenever you want to for any further clarifications. Thank you very much for listening to this “exhortation” against “Vedic astrology” and the efforts I am making to streamline our calendars. Om tat sat brahmarpanam astu Avtar Krishen Kaul President All India Calendar Reform Committee H. No. 5, MIG, 00-A, Sector-2, Avantika, Rohini, Delhi-110085. Email:jyotirved; a_krishen; Tel. 011-27516483 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 , " jyotirved " <jyotirved wrote: Respected Sirs, " Vedic astrology " - the greatest fraud on the Vedas Namaskar! The following speech was delivered in September 2006 at Rotary Club, West Delhi. The same talk appeared later as an article in the souvenir of the seminar on " Vedic astronomy & Cosmology " -December 2006. I am sure you will find it interesting. Regards, A K Kaul Om tat sat brahmarpanamastu! Om Brahmanandam Parama sukhadam kevalam gyan moortim, dwandvateetam gagana sadrisham tat-tvam asyadi lakshyam ekam nityam vimalam achalamsarva dhee sakshi bhootam, bhavateetam triguna rahitam shree gurum tam namami " Vedic Astrology " - the greatest fraud on the Vedas! Dear friends. Good evening to everybody! I feel highly honoured to have been invited by Shri Ajay Bhasin for sharing my views about astrology and related topics with respected personalities assembled here. As most of us already know, we call these predictive gimmicks as " Vedic astrology " these days. When I was asked by Shri Bhasin about the heading of my talk, I had thought of making it as " Vedic Astrology - the greatest fraud on the Vedas " . On second thoughts, fearing that it would be too explosive a heading, I made it a sugar coated bitter pill by changing it to " Do we celebrate our festivals on correct days? " . Well, actually, both i.e., the fraud known as " Vedic astrology " and " our celebrating all our festivals on wrong days " are inter-related. Let me start with " Vedic astrology " - as to why I call it a fraud! There is hardly anyone in India, who does not want to know as to when his " sade-sati " will start or end or as to which Dasha-antardasha he is running and when that will end etc. etc. even if he does not know ABC of jyotisha. I have gone through all those pangs myself and made a thorough study of all the astrological works besides a lot of astronomical books! I studied Western system of astrology also and had become a sort of famous astrologer, though my predictions were as correct as anybody else's i.e. hardly 50%. However, this is a secret that no " jyotishi " shares with anybody -- that his/her predictions are hardly more correct than fifty per cent, whatever logic or Ayanamsha he/she may use! When I analyzed the reasons for such a dismal rate of success, the conclusions were startling! And I am keeping those very conclusions before you! Before proceeding further, I must, however, say something about myself since you are well within your rights to ask me as to what " qualifications " I have to demolish astrology that is being practised over the last several centuries, nay even millennia! My credentials Though I am not laying any claims to being a scholar, however, I have actually studied all the four Vedas in original " archaic " Sanskrit with their different " Bhashyas " , besides the various Brahmanas like Shatapatha, Aitreya, Tatiriya etc. etc. I have studied, (in original Sanskrit!) about two hundred all the important Upanishads as well! I have also gone through both the epics viz. the Valmiki Ramayana and the Mahabharata --- in Sanskrit and from cover to cover, besides Adhyatma Ramayana, Ramacharitamanasa etc. etc.! There is hardly any Purana whether the Bhagavata, Shivapurana, Vishnu, Narada, Devi, Varaha, Matsya and Vishnudharmotara etc. etc. that I have not gone through in original Sanskrit. I have also studied exhaustively all the ancient astronomical works like the Vedanga Jyotisha, Panchasidhantika, Surya Sidhanta, Arya Bhati, Sidhanta Shiromani etc. etc. To crown it all, I was not a born renegade against the established traditions. On the other hand, I was initially " hypnotized " by " Vedic astrology " and " panchangas " myself and there is hardly any " text-book " of astrology either in Sanskrit or Urdu or English or Hindi that I have not studied with due reverence, as if I was studying the Vedas! Having established my credentials thus, I CAN DECLARE IT WITHOUT ANY HESITATION AND WITH ALL THE EMPHASIS AT MY COMMAND, THAT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO PREDICTIVE ASTROLOGY IN ANY OF THE VEDAS, UPANISHADAS OR BRAHMANAS. There are, however, some references to some odd types of predictions in some of the Puranas and the epics and therefore calling it as really a post-Vedic astrology is more correct. There is a rider there also, and that is that according to these scriptures, Makara Sankranti i.e. Pongal is nothing but a synonym of Uttarayana (the shortest day of the year) i.e. Winter Solstice and as everybody knows, it can take place these days only on or around December 21 every year. Thus the Uttarayana-cum-Makar Sankranti that we are celebrating now-a-days on January 14 is absolutely wrong and does not have any authority from any shastra or even modern astronomy. Similarly, the Vaishakhi that is being celebrated on April 14 or so also is wrong since Mesha Sankranti is nothing but Vishuva (Vernal Equinox) or Vasant Sampat and it cannot take place on any day other than March 21/22, when the day and night are equal. Actually these Makara etc. sankrantis were known as Tapah etc. months during the Vedic period as there are no rashis in the Vedas but just six seasons and Madhu, Madhava etc. twelve months. As such, we are celebrating all our fasts, fairs and muhurtas on wrong days -- thanks to " Vedic astrologers " and their " Vedic astrology " . The first and foremost thing I learnt from our shastras is that no system of predictions has any sanction either from the Vedas or even Puranas least of all our dharmashastras etc. since all our shastras admonish us from consulting " nakshatra jeevis " so much so that the Manusmriti calls these nakshatrasoochis as outcastes and not fit to sit in any sabha of learned people. Those who can foresee our future do not reveal it to us beforehand: All the Ramayanas, whether Valmiki or Adhyatma or Ramacharitamanasa etc. etc. say that before deciding about the coronation of Bhagwan Rama, Dashratha wanted his guru Vasishtha to confirm the suitable muhurta for that function. It was on the advice of Vasishtha Muni that Dasharatha decided to anoint Rama as the Yuvraja the very next day, as it was " Tishya " i.e. Pushya nakshata then. From this anecdote, it is clear that either Vasishtha Muni did not know as to what was going to happen to Dasharatha by declaring Bhagwan Rama as a crown-prince or Vasishtha kept quiet deliberately since he did not want to interfere in the divine dispensation! Obviously, being the son of Brahmaji and a highly exalted yogi as well as a jnyani, Vasishtha-muni could peep into past as well as future. It means that even if some exalted souls can foresee as to what is going to happen, they do not reveal our " bhavishya " before hand, unlike some of the astrologers of today, who masquerade as " Parasharas " and " Vamadevas " to tell us even our past and future janmas just by glancing at our birth-charts, even if those charts are wrong! The Gita is said to be the gist of all our shastras. When Arjuna expressed his doubt by saying naitadvidmah katarnno gareeyo, yadva jayema yadi va no jayeyuh " I do not know what is good for me nor do I know whether we will win or the Kauravas will win the war " , Bhagwan Krishna neither asked him to consult some soothsayer nor did He tell him to wear some ruby! He just advised Arjuna " hato va prapsyasi swargam jitva va bokshyase maheem " i.e. " You must fight. If you get killed in the war, you will go to the heavens and if you win it you will be the lord of the whole world " . Thus all it boils down to is the fact that those who know (including Lord Krishna Himself!) as to what is going to happen and when do not divulge such " secrets " before hand to us. Remedial measures are a farce: Almost all the jyotishis suggest one or the other remedial measure to their clients, and mostly these are gems like diamond or ruby or sapphire etc. etc. What is surprising is that we have become so obsessed with Jyotish that we forget the entire itihasa of our past! (i) If these gems are that efficacious, why was then Dasharatha not suggested some " ruby " or " coral " to ward off the evil Dasha that was going to kill him when Rama would leave for the forests? Well, because our Rishis did not believe in such gimmicks at all! (ii) Bhagwan Krishna was born in a prison --- I wonder why He could not use some " sapphire " to be born in a palace! (iii) Vasudeva and Devaki---the parents of Bhagwan Krishna--- were in chains when He was born! It is said that Lord Krishna was a complete - 16 kala sampoorna --- divine incarnation of Vishnu and was thus really Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient! But in spite of His Omniscience, Omnipotence and Omnipresence, Lord Krishna could not relieve the miseries of his parents, Vasudeva and Devaki, who had to remain in chains till Krishna killed Kansa! What does it demonstrate? Just the fact that if the Omniscient, Omnipresent and Omnipotent Krishna could not relieve the miseries of His own father or mother before the appointed time, how can a ruby or a sapphire---or some Mangala or Shani yagya--- remove all our miseries or fulfil all our ambitions? Obviously, we are being taken for a ride by such Jyotishis! iv) Then not in the distant past, Smti Indira Gandhi would run after astrologers for knowing her future. She wore a rare and original ekamukhi rudraksha, which only either the Maharaja of Nepal had or she was wearing! It is said that some top-notch jyotishis had suggested that rudraksha to her! Ironically, both the King of Nepal as well Mrs. Indira Gandhi were assassinated " by the people " they " had trusted " ----ekamukhi rudraksha not withstanding! What does it prove? That we should not be hoodwinked by soothsayers! v) Then again a well known Tantrik of yore---highly respected by the then PM--- is out on bail, not by dint of his " Tantra-Kriya " but because of some legal loopholes in FERA! Similarly, Dhirendra Brahmachari, another high profile " Tantrik " , met with an accident in the plane he was flying himself! If he could not see his own death looming large how could he forewarn others! What does that prove? Obviously, it warns us against relying on any soothsayers, especially if they call themselves " Vedic Jyotishis " since they are taking us for a ride literally. Kalasarpa Dosha -- a non-existent fear psychosis: These days we hear a lot about Kalasarpa Dosha! It is said to be present in any horoscope if all the planets are between Rahu and Ketu! My God! What a humbug! Rahu and Ketu are actually nodes of the Moon! That means they are just mathematical points without any dimensions ---therefore without any physical existence whatsoever! So according to " Vedic astrologers " even such " non-existent " phenomena can make our lives miserable for which we must do some upay! Do you need any other proofs for the jugglery that these cheats are indulging in? THE ONLY EFFECTIVE REMEDY, or UPAY, THEREFORE, IS THAT WE MUST REMEMBER HIM, THE ALMIGHTY, EVERY MOMENT OF OUR LIVES AND LEAVE EVERY THING TO HIS DIVINE WILL!. Fake Brighu Samhitas and Parasharis: We find a Brighu Samhita or a nadi Jyotishi or Aruna Samhita etc. in every Muhalla these days! However, there is no mention in any of the Puranas or shastras that any Rishi like Vasishtha or Garga or Brighu etc. have ever written any books on predictive astrology. The Vishnu Purana by Parashara is full of astronomical references ---and that also sayana i.e. the seasonal year when Mesha sankranti is another name of Spring Equinox and so on, but we do not find any mention of any Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra there! Obviously, it is the worst concoction that can ever be had, and may be that is why such a Parashari is the bible of " Vedic astrologers " India has gone downhill because of astrology and astrologers: In India, we have started going downhill ever since our rulers started running after Jyotishis. In ancient days, during the time of the Mahabharata, it was a dharma yudha that we had to fight against our own Duryodhanas but ever since the advent of astrology almost simultaneously with the invasion of Alexander the Great, and then the " Yavana Jatakam " of Sphujidwaja and the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the Yavana (mlechha!), we had to fight outsiders! The more the foreigners invaded us the more our rulers, instead of making a united effort against the invaders, started consulting soothsayers whom they called Rajajyotishis! Varahamihira the worst culprit: The maximum credit for creating such a fear psychosis of omens and ghosts and ghouls and storms and even clouds goes to Varahamihira of 5th century AD through his Brihat Samita and Brihat Jatakam and Panchasidhantika! Before venturing into the battlefield, our monarchs would ask their soothsayers to prepare " narpati jaya charya " and consult Brihat Samhita etc. to see whether the " ketuchara " was favourable at that time or not! No wonder with such a preliminary and hopeless knowledge of astronomical facts, we were being pushed back into dark ages by Varahamihira and his followers! Our historical records are witness to the fact that we were vanquished in every battle, whether it was with Alexander the Great or Muhamud of Gazni or Chengiz Khan or Nadir Shah or the Moguls or finally the East India Company, thanks to the dependence of our monarchs on soothsayers (Rajajyotishis, huh!) instead of the principles of war strategy and statecraft as adumbrated by the Vedas, the Manu and even Chanakya, who chided kings for consulting soothsayers! BJP the latest example: The fate of the BJP has not been any better than that of our earlier monarchs by depending more on their " Vedic Jyotishis " who were responsible for getting " Vedic Jyotisha (sic!) " prescribed in Indian Universities! It is that very move that boomeranged on the party and even the " Minister of astrology " did not win his own parliamentary seat from Allahabad, let alone being the Union Minister again. Do you need any other proofs of the fact that these " Vedic Jyotishis " will make you lose your seat of power well before the appointed day just by making you advance your elections? If we continue to follow the trend of our " monarchs " of having blind faith in our soothsayers, then sooner than later we will become Babylon of yesteryears, which is known as Iraq today! Kashmiri Pandits were the worst affected by their blind faith in Jyotishis: Another reason for my revolt against the so called " Vedic astrology " is that as a Kashmiri Pandit, I have more to blame panchanga makers and soothsayers and their predictive gimmicks than anything or anybody else since they never forewarned us about any calamities that were going to befall us! On the other hand, just to prove their astrological gimmicks, they just made ---and are still making --- us celebrate all our festivals, including Mahashivaratri, Vasanti Navratras, Ramanavami, Janmashtami and Sharadiya navratras etc. on wrong days. It is these very jyotishis, whom we had treated as our friends, philosophers and guides, who are responsible for our downfall as Kahsmiri Pandits, since they proved neither our friends, nor philosophers least of all our guides! These Panchanga makers/jyotishis were the first to flee from Kashmir in 1990--- like the king Hari Singh at the time of Pakistani raid in 1948--- since they had already made their alternate homes in safer places like Jammu and Delhi. Those Jyotishis just proved to be Shylocks, who were only interested in their Pound of flesh by way of Dakshinas for janmapatris and matching of horoscopes -- all cheating and nothing else! These soothsayers have such a hypnotic grip on us that initially even I was brain washed to believe that the Vedas had nothing else to do excepting teaching us predictive astrology! I was so convinced that it appeared that even the principle of Secondary Progressions must have been exported from India to Western countries as the principle of " A day equals a year " was mentioned in our Vedas! But thank God, I woke up to the situation and could see through their tricks. There are no Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis in the Vedas: Leave alone predictive gimmicks, actually there are neither rashis like Mesha, Vrisha etc. nor planets like Mangal, Shani etc. in the Vedas, Upanishads, Brahmanas etc. Similarly, the Vedanga Jyotisha, the first indigenous astronomical work of 14th century BCE, just tells us only as to how to calculate tithi, nakshatra and Uttarayana-cum-Tapah-cum Magha etc. months. It does not list any Mesha etc. rashis nor any planets like Mangal, Budha etc. Same is the case with Yajur Jyotisha of about 11th century BCE and later Atharva Jyotisha of about 5th century BCE, which does not have any Rashis though it talks of planets. As such, it is really a fraud on the Vedas being played by some charlatans to call any predictive gimmicks as Vedic astrology and hail themselves as " Vedic Jyotishis " . It is a crime under " The Consumer Protection Act " as it is a misrepresentation of facts to a client and is thus a deficiency in service. Our predictions in the past also could never have been correct: It is said that over the past about 2000 years, our ancestors like Varahamihira or his son Prithuyashas etc., could make marvellously correct predictions. THAT IS NOTHING BUT HOGWASH! Let us see how: prior to the advent of scientific astronomy into India, i.e. about a couple of centuries back, panchangas were based on astronomical works like the Surya Sidhanta or Aryabhati or Sidhanta Shirmoani etc. etc. I have prepared a software called " Mahesh " . It calculates, apart from the actual tithi, nakshatra, yoga, karna etc., the mean longitudes of all the planets from 10000 BCE to 12030 AD i.e. for more than 22,000 years as per the Surya Sidhanta, Aryabhati or Sidhanta Shiromani etc. besides comparing them with the longitudes as per modern astronomy. Anybody can download it freely from my discussion forum HinduCalendar Unfortunately for these jyotishis, we find that the very fundamental arguments of these sidahntas like the Surya Sidhanta, the Aryabhati, the Sidhanta Shiromani etc. etc. are absolutely wrong! . That naturally means that any panchanga based on them would also be wrong, with the result that any horoscope prepared on the basis of those panchangas could never be correct. Thus it is impossible for any astrological predictions to have been correct in the past! As such, it is all like the famous couplet of Ghalib " yoon to hai hamko janat ki haqeeqat maloom lekin; dil ke bahlane ko Ghalib yeh khayal achha hai " Astrology cannot be a science Predictive astrology is supposed to be a " science " ! What a preposterous statement! When the data on which predictions were based or are based these days are not correct, how can the results be correct and how can we call it a science at all? Stars do not affect us: It is said that stars affect us! It appears either these astrologers have gone honkers themselves or they suppose that the whole world has really gone mad! Let us see how: I am a puny human being on this small planet called earth. The sun is hundreds of thousands of times larger than the earth! And there are other stars of our nakshatra/rashichakra that are supposed to affect me individually as per the Dasha-Bhukti that is running in my horoscope! However, this fantastic statement has no leg to stand upon since the nearest star of that Rashichakra is Shravana! And do you know its distance from me? It is seventeen light years! And it is several times larger than our sun! In other words, if that star wants i.e. Shravana wants to " affect " me individually, it will take it at least seventeen years to do so even if that " effect " travels at the speed of light! And by then, my Rahu or Shani or whatever Dasha it may be must have been over! Then how can such a star which is trillions of times larger than me send its rays in a concentrated form just to haunt me at a particular point of time! Can you imagine what type of laughing stocks we are making of ourselves by believing in such hocus pocus! Similarly, the next nearest star of our Rashichakra is Swati ! It is away by 26 light years from me and is again several times larger than our sun!! It thus defies imagination as to how we can call astrology a science or how it can be said that the " Stars affect us " . Patri Melapak (Horoscope Matching) is not warranted by shastras nor astrology books: Now coming to the fad called Patri Melapak i.e. horoscope matching! This fad is the rage of the day! You will be surprised to know that none of our shastras, whether the Manusmriti or the Ramayana or the Mahabharata, leave alone the Vedas, have anything to do with Patri Melapak even by mistake! We do not find any instances that any Vedic Rishi was addicted to such a fad, since may be then most of them would still have been looking for a " suitable Patri " for melapak! Not to speak of Dharma shastras, there is no mention of this type of a malady in any of the astrology books like the so called Parashari, or Mansagari or Phala Deepika or Jataka Parijata or any other work! It appears to be a creation of the jyotishis of over the last one hundred years or so. Aleberuni, who visited India in 1030 AD and recorded quite faithfully all his experiences about Jyotisha and other things in India also has not mentioned anything of any " Melapak " in his work! " All India Calendar Reform Committee " : Summing up, as we have just seen, not only are we subjected to non-existent fear psychosis like Kalasarpa Dosha and Patri Melapak etc. but we are compelled to celebrate all our festivals on worng days. There are quite a few people who agree with my point of view that these days we are celebrating Pitra Amavasya on the day of Dipavali and marriages during Pitra-Paksha! Similarly, we never celebrate Makar Sankranti on correct days i.e. December 21/22 but we celebrate it on January 14. We also celebrate Vaishakhi on April 14 instead of the day of Spring Equinox i.e., March 21 or so. This has been all because of the so called " Vedic astrology " To put our festivals back on the right track, I made quite a few representations to the Hon'ble President of India, the Prime Minister of India, various ministries besides the Positional Astronomy Centre at Calcutta, who publish our Rashtriya Panchanga. I also made similar representations to all the reverred Shankaracharyas of all the six peethas, besides other saints and Mahatmas, but sorry to say, there has been absolutely no response from any quarter! We have now formed an " All India Calendar Reform Committee " and are enrolling members for the same. Those interested can log on to HinduCalendar for entering into discussions regarding the same. You can also get a list of correct dates of festivals for 2006 and 2007 from that forum. As an alternative, you can get in touch with me whenever you want to for any further clarifications. Thank you very much for listening to this " exhortation " against " Vedic astrology " and the efforts I am making to streamline our calendars. Om tat sat brahmarpanam astu Avtar Krishen Kaul President All India Calendar Reform Committee H. No. 5, MIG, 00-A, Sector-2, Avantika, Rohini, Delhi-110085. Email:jyotirved; a_krishen; Tel. 011-27516483 --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 jyotirved [jyotirved] Saturday, July 12, 2008 5:49 PM 'info'; 'support' Cc: 'HinduCalendar ' " Vedic astrology " -- the greatest fraud on the Vedas! Dear Sirs, I was amused to see your below ad about Hindu astrology!! To the best of my knowledge, Vedic Hindus never believed in predictive gimmicks much less the ones based on Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis! I am also intrigued to see your ad addressed to “all lovers of Hindu/Vedic astrology”. It appears that today’s “Vedic astrologers” are quite ignorant about the real Vedic lore in spite of claiming to be “Vedic astrologers”! They claim that predictive gimmicks are “Vedic astrology” since “Jyotisham is one of the six angas of the Vedas”. As a proof in support of their argument, they claim further “The Vedanga Jyotisha by Lagadha is a Vedanga” hence predictive astrology is Vedic! As a matter of fact, we do not find any mention of Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis nor planets like Budha and/or the much dreaded Mangal and Shani etc. in any of the Vedas or the Brahmanas or the Upanishadas etc. Nor for that matter do we find any of these ingredients of “Vedic astrology” in the presumed “most ancient bible” of “Vedic astrologers” viz. the Vedagna Jyotsiha! The latter is actually the oldest indigenous work of about 14th century BCE explaining the methodology of just calculating mean tithi, nakshatra and Tapah, Tapasya etc. months apart from the phenomena of the two Solstices and Equinoxes! As such, to say that predictive gimmicks are Vedic astrology is simply like putting on public display our ignorance of the real Vedic and Vedanga Jyotisha lore! This “science” of predictive gimmicks was thrust down the throat of Hindus by Greeks almost simultaneously with the invasion of Alexander the Great! And the Greeks were actually practicing Babylonian astrology themselves! That is why we find mention of Mesha etc. rashis for the first time in the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha! Prior to that work, there are no Mesha etc. Rashis nor Mangal, Shani etc. planets in any of the sidhantas either! As you would be aware, yesteryears’ Babylon was today’s Iraq! Similarly, a neighbouring country of ours was the only Hindu kingdom in the whole world of yesteryears where the king was the Incarnation of Vishnu!! And now nobody is sure as to what type of a “kingdom” it is today! Yesteryear’s “Vishnu” is a recluse/refugee in his own “Vishnuloka” which no longer belongs to him! BOTH THESE COUNTRIES HAD TO PAY DARELY FOR THEIR BELIEFS/FAITH IN “VEDIC ASTROLGY” AND “VEDIC ATROLOGERS”! I had to pay darely for the same folly as a Kashmir Pandit myself, since I (in fact the whole KP community!) treated “Vedic astrologers” as our friends, philosophers and guides who were supposed to be able to peep into future in a jiffy! We had expected that we would certainly be warned by these jyotishis if anything evil had to befall the Kashmiri community! But then those jyotishis were all frauds and crooks ---who could not see anything else except their surging bank balance! I only hope and pray to Almighty that India i.e., Bharatavarsha also does not meet a similar fate, thanks to the untiring efforts of overseas “Vamadevas” and indigenous “Parasharas” and “Varahamihiras” etc. who are hell bent to propagate the fraud they call “Vedic astrology”! It is a fraud since there are no Mesha etc. rashis or Mangal, Shani etc. planets in any of the Vedas nor have we ever been advised by any of our shastras that we must consult soothsayers before embarking on any plan! All this will be clear from the talk “Vedic astrology”---the greatest fraud on the Vedas, which I am sending herewith! With regards, Avtar Krishen Kaul Learn Vedic Astrology! These lessons are based on the famous PAC DARES Method of Shri KN RAO, World's Foremost Vedic Astrologer and Researcher. The lessons are adapted from Shri KN RAO " S book " Learn Hindu Astrology Easily " . And the the lessons are free for all lovers of Hindu/Vedic Astrology. Visit www.learnjyotishnow.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Respected Sh Kaul Ji, Namaskar, Today I saw your msg in our forum and glad to see you in our forum. I alongwith members of the forum welcome you and hope to have your valuable views on astrology in response to the observation of the members regarding astrology. Thanks once again for joining the forum. Yours sanat On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 jyotirved wrote : > >Respected Sirs, > > > " Vedic astrology " - the greatest fraud on the Vedas > > >Namaskar! > > >The following speech was delivered in September 2006 at Rotary Club, West >Delhi. The same talk appeared later as an article in the souvenir of the >seminar on " Vedic astronomy & Cosmology " -December 2006. I am sure you will >find it interesting. > > >Regards, > > >A K Kaul > > > > > >Om tat sat brahmarpanamastu! > > >Om Brahmanandam Parama sukhadam kevalam gyan moortim, dwandvateetam gagana >sadrisham tat-tvam asyadi lakshyam ekam >nityam vimalam achalamsarva dhee sakshi bhootam, bhavateetam triguna rahitam >shree gurum tam namami > > > " Vedic Astrology " - the greatest fraud on the Vedas! > > >Dear friends. Good evening to everybody! > >I feel highly honoured to have been invited by Shri Ajay Bhasin for sharing >my views about astrology and related topics with respected personalities >assembled here. As most of us already know, we call these predictive >gimmicks as " Vedic astrology " these days. > > > >When I was asked by Shri Bhasin about the heading of my talk, I had thought >of making it as " Vedic Astrology - the greatest fraud on the Vedas " . On >second thoughts, fearing that it would be too explosive a heading, I made it >a sugar coated bitter pill by changing it to " Do we celebrate our festivals >on correct days? " . > > > >Well, actually, both i.e., the fraud known as " Vedic astrology " and " our >celebrating all our festivals on wrong days " are inter-related. > >Let me start with " Vedic astrology " - as to why I call it a fraud! > >There is hardly anyone in India, who does not want to know as to when his > " sade-sati " will start or end or as to which Dasha-antardasha he is running >and when that will end etc. etc. even if he does not know ABC of jyotisha. >I have gone through all those pangs myself and made a thorough study of all >the astrological works besides a lot of astronomical books! I studied >Western system of astrology also and had become a sort of famous astrologer, >though my predictions were as correct as anybody else's i.e. hardly 50%. >However, this is a secret that no " jyotishi " shares with anybody -- that >his/her predictions are hardly more correct than fifty per cent, whatever >logic or Ayanamsha he/she may use! When I analyzed the reasons for such a >dismal rate of success, the conclusions were startling! And I am keeping >those very conclusions before you! > > > >Before proceeding further, I must, however, say something about myself since >you are well within your rights to ask me as to what " qualifications " I have >to demolish astrology that is being practised over the last several >centuries, nay even millennia! > > > >My credentials Though I am not laying any claims to being a scholar, >however, I have actually studied all the four Vedas in original " archaic " >Sanskrit with their different " Bhashyas " , besides the various Brahmanas >like Shatapatha, Aitreya, Tatiriya etc. etc. I have studied, (in original >Sanskrit!) about two hundred all the important Upanishads as well! I have >also gone through both the epics viz. the Valmiki Ramayana and the >Mahabharata --- in Sanskrit and from cover to cover, besides Adhyatma >Ramayana, Ramacharitamanasa etc. etc.! There is hardly any Purana whether >the Bhagavata, Shivapurana, Vishnu, Narada, Devi, Varaha, Matsya and >Vishnudharmotara etc. etc. that I have not gone through in original >Sanskrit. I have also studied exhaustively all the ancient astronomical >works like the Vedanga Jyotisha, Panchasidhantika, Surya Sidhanta, Arya >Bhati, Sidhanta Shiromani etc. etc. To crown it all, I was not a born >renegade against the established traditions. On the other hand, I was >initially " hypnotized " by " Vedic astrology " and " panchangas " myself and >there is hardly any " text-book " of astrology either in Sanskrit or Urdu or >English or Hindi that I have not studied with due reverence, as if I was >studying the Vedas! > > > >Having established my credentials thus, I CAN DECLARE IT WITHOUT ANY >HESITATION AND WITH ALL THE EMPHASIS AT MY COMMAND, THAT THERE IS >ABSOLUTELY NO PREDICTIVE ASTROLOGY IN ANY OF THE VEDAS, UPANISHADAS OR >BRAHMANAS. There are, however, some references to some odd types of >predictions in some of the Puranas and the epics and therefore calling it as >really a post-Vedic astrology is more correct. There is a rider there also, >and that is that according to these scriptures, Makara Sankranti i.e. Pongal >is nothing but a synonym of Uttarayana (the shortest day of the year) i.e. >Winter Solstice and as everybody knows, it can take place these days only on >or around December 21 every year. Thus the Uttarayana-cum-Makar Sankranti >that we are celebrating now-a-days on January 14 is absolutely wrong and >does not have any authority from any shastra or even modern astronomy. >Similarly, the Vaishakhi that is being celebrated on April 14 or so also is >wrong since Mesha Sankranti is nothing but Vishuva (Vernal Equinox) or >Vasant Sampat and it cannot take place on any day other than March 21/22, >when the day and night are equal. Actually these Makara etc. sankrantis were >known as Tapah etc. months during the Vedic period as there are no rashis in >the Vedas but just six seasons and Madhu, Madhava etc. twelve months. As >such, we are celebrating all our fasts, fairs and muhurtas on wrong days -- >thanks to " Vedic astrologers " and their " Vedic astrology " . > > > > The first and foremost thing I learnt from our shastras is that no system >of predictions has any sanction either from the Vedas or even Puranas >least of all our dharmashastras etc. since all our shastras admonish us from >consulting " nakshatra jeevis " so much so that the Manusmriti calls these >nakshatrasoochis as outcastes and not fit to sit in any sabha of learned >people. > >Those who can foresee our future do not reveal it to us beforehand: > >All the Ramayanas, whether Valmiki or Adhyatma or Ramacharitamanasa etc. >etc. say that before deciding about the coronation of Bhagwan Rama, >Dashratha wanted his guru Vasishtha to confirm the suitable muhurta for that >function. It was on the advice of Vasishtha Muni that Dasharatha decided >to anoint Rama as the Yuvraja the very next day, as it was " Tishya " i.e. >Pushya nakshata then. From this anecdote, it is clear that either Vasishtha >Muni did not know as to what was going to happen to Dasharatha by declaring >Bhagwan Rama as a crown-prince or Vasishtha kept quiet deliberately since he >did not want to interfere in the divine dispensation! > > > >Obviously, being the son of Brahmaji and a highly exalted yogi as well as a >jnyani, Vasishtha-muni could peep into past as well as future. It means >that even if some exalted souls can foresee as to what is going to happen, >they do not reveal our " bhavishya " before hand, unlike some of the >astrologers of today, who masquerade as " Parasharas " and " Vamadevas " to tell >us even our past and future janmas just by glancing at our birth-charts, >even if those charts are wrong! > > > >The Gita is said to be the gist of all our shastras. When Arjuna expressed >his doubt by saying naitadvidmah katarnno gareeyo, yadva jayema yadi va no >jayeyuh " I do not know what is good for me nor do I know whether we will win >or the Kauravas will win the war " , Bhagwan Krishna neither asked him to >consult some soothsayer nor did He tell him to wear some ruby! He just >advised Arjuna " hato va prapsyasi swargam jitva va bokshyase maheem " i.e. > " You must fight. If you get killed in the war, you will go to the heavens >and if you win it you will be the lord of the whole world " . > >Thus all it boils down to is the fact that those who know (including Lord >Krishna Himself!) as to what is going to happen and when do not divulge such > " secrets " before hand to us. > > > >Remedial measures are a farce: Almost all the jyotishis suggest one or the >other remedial measure to their clients, and mostly these are gems like >diamond or ruby or sapphire etc. etc. What is surprising is that we have >become so obsessed with Jyotish that we forget the entire itihasa of our >past! > >(i) If these gems are that efficacious, why was then Dasharatha not >suggested some " ruby " or " coral " to ward off the evil Dasha that was going >to kill him when Rama would leave for the forests? Well, because our Rishis >did not believe in such gimmicks at all! > >(ii) Bhagwan Krishna was born in a prison --- I wonder why He could not >use some " sapphire " to be born in a palace! > > (iii) Vasudeva and Devaki---the parents of Bhagwan Krishna--- were in >chains when He was born! It is said that Lord Krishna was a complete - 16 >kala sampoorna --- divine incarnation of Vishnu and was thus really >Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient! But in spite of His Omniscience, >Omnipotence and Omnipresence, Lord Krishna could not relieve the miseries of >his parents, Vasudeva and Devaki, who had to remain in chains till Krishna >killed Kansa! > > > >What does it demonstrate? Just the fact that if the Omniscient, Omnipresent >and Omnipotent Krishna could not relieve the miseries of His own father or >mother before the appointed time, how can a ruby or a sapphire---or some >Mangala or Shani yagya--- remove all our miseries or fulfil all our >ambitions? Obviously, we are being taken for a ride by such Jyotishis! > > > >iv) Then not in the distant past, Smti Indira Gandhi would run after >astrologers for knowing her future. She wore a rare and original ekamukhi >rudraksha, which only either the Maharaja of Nepal had or she was wearing! >It is said that some top-notch jyotishis had suggested that rudraksha to >her! Ironically, both the King of Nepal as well Mrs. Indira Gandhi were >assassinated " by the people " they " had trusted " ----ekamukhi rudraksha not >withstanding! What does it prove? That we should not be hoodwinked by >soothsayers! > > > >v) Then again a well known Tantrik of yore---highly respected by the then >PM--- is out on bail, not by dint of his " Tantra-Kriya " but because of some >legal loopholes in FERA! >Similarly, Dhirendra Brahmachari, another high profile " Tantrik " , met with >an accident in the plane he was flying himself! If he could not see his own >death looming large how could he forewarn others! > > >What does that prove? Obviously, it warns us against relying on any >soothsayers, especially if they call themselves " Vedic Jyotishis " since they >are taking us for a ride literally. > >Kalasarpa Dosha -- a non-existent fear psychosis: These days we hear a lot >about Kalasarpa Dosha! It is said to be present in any horoscope if all the >planets are between Rahu and Ketu! My God! What a humbug! Rahu and Ketu >are actually nodes of the Moon! That means they are just mathematical >points without any dimensions ---therefore without any physical existence >whatsoever! So according to " Vedic astrologers " even such " non-existent " >phenomena can make our lives miserable for which we must do some upay! Do >you need any other proofs for the jugglery that these cheats are indulging >in? > >THE ONLY EFFECTIVE REMEDY, or UPAY, THEREFORE, IS THAT WE MUST REMEMBER HIM, >THE ALMIGHTY, EVERY MOMENT OF OUR LIVES AND LEAVE EVERY THING TO HIS DIVINE >WILL!. > > > >Fake Brighu Samhitas and Parasharis: > >We find a Brighu Samhita or a nadi Jyotishi or Aruna Samhita etc. in every >Muhalla these days! However, there is no mention in any of the Puranas or >shastras that any Rishi like Vasishtha or Garga or Brighu etc. have ever >written any books on predictive astrology. The Vishnu Purana by Parashara >is full of astronomical references ---and that also sayana i.e. the >seasonal year when Mesha sankranti is another name of Spring Equinox and so >on, but we do not find any mention of any Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra >there! Obviously, it is the worst concoction that can ever be had, and may >be that is why such a Parashari is the bible of " Vedic astrologers " > > >India has gone downhill because of astrology and astrologers: In India, we >have started going downhill ever since our rulers started running after >Jyotishis. In ancient days, during the time of the Mahabharata, it was a >dharma yudha that we had to fight against our own Duryodhanas but ever since >the advent of astrology almost simultaneously with the invasion of Alexander >the Great, and then the " Yavana Jatakam " of Sphujidwaja and the Surya >Sidhanta of Maya the Yavana (mlechha!), we had to fight outsiders! The >more the foreigners invaded us the more our rulers, instead of making a >united effort against the invaders, started consulting soothsayers whom they >called Rajajyotishis! > > > >Varahamihira the worst culprit: > >The maximum credit for creating such a fear psychosis of omens and ghosts >and ghouls and storms and even clouds goes to Varahamihira of 5th century >AD through his Brihat Samita and Brihat Jatakam and Panchasidhantika! >Before venturing into the battlefield, our monarchs would ask their >soothsayers to prepare " narpati jaya charya " and consult Brihat Samhita etc. >to see whether the " ketuchara " was favourable at that time or not! No >wonder with such a preliminary and hopeless knowledge of astronomical facts, >we were being pushed back into dark ages by Varahamihira and his followers! > > > >Our historical records are witness to the fact that we were vanquished in >every battle, whether it was with Alexander the Great or Muhamud of Gazni or >Chengiz Khan or Nadir Shah or the Moguls or finally the East India Company, >thanks to the dependence of our monarchs on soothsayers (Rajajyotishis, >huh!) instead of the principles of war strategy and statecraft as adumbrated >by the Vedas, the Manu and even Chanakya, who chided kings for consulting >soothsayers! > > >BJP the latest example: > >The fate of the BJP has not been any better than that of our earlier >monarchs by depending more on their " Vedic Jyotishis " who were responsible >for getting " Vedic Jyotisha (sic!) " prescribed in Indian Universities! It >is that very move that boomeranged on the party and even the " Minister of >astrology " did not win his own parliamentary seat from Allahabad, let alone >being the Union Minister again. Do you need any other proofs of the fact >that these " Vedic Jyotishis " will make you lose your seat of power well >before the appointed day just by making you advance your elections? > > > > If we continue to follow the trend of our " monarchs " of having blind faith >in our soothsayers, then sooner than later we will become Babylon of >yesteryears, which is known as Iraq today! > > > >Kashmiri Pandits were the worst affected by their blind faith in Jyotishis: > > Another reason for my revolt against the so called " Vedic astrology " is >that as a Kashmiri Pandit, I have more to blame panchanga makers and >soothsayers and their predictive gimmicks than anything or anybody else >since they never forewarned us about any calamities that were going to >befall us! On the other hand, just to prove their astrological gimmicks, >they just made ---and are still making --- us celebrate all our festivals, >including Mahashivaratri, Vasanti Navratras, Ramanavami, Janmashtami and >Sharadiya navratras etc. on wrong days. It is these very jyotishis, whom we >had treated as our friends, philosophers and guides, who are responsible for >our downfall as Kahsmiri Pandits, since they proved neither our friends, nor >philosophers least of all our guides! These Panchanga makers/jyotishis were >the first to flee from Kashmir in 1990--- like the king Hari Singh at the >time of Pakistani raid in 1948--- since they had already made their >alternate homes in safer places like Jammu and Delhi. Those Jyotishis >just proved to be Shylocks, who were only interested in their Pound of flesh >by way of Dakshinas for janmapatris and matching of horoscopes -- all >cheating and nothing else! > > > >These soothsayers have such a hypnotic grip on us that initially even I was >brain washed to believe that the Vedas had nothing else to do excepting >teaching us predictive astrology! I was so convinced that it appeared that >even the principle of Secondary Progressions must have been exported from >India to Western countries as the principle of " A day equals a year " was >mentioned in our Vedas! But thank God, I woke up to the situation and could >see through their tricks. > > > >There are no Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis in the Vedas: > > Leave alone predictive gimmicks, actually there are neither rashis like >Mesha, Vrisha etc. nor planets like Mangal, Shani etc. in the Vedas, >Upanishads, Brahmanas etc. Similarly, the Vedanga Jyotisha, the first >indigenous astronomical work of 14th century BCE, just tells us only as to >how to calculate tithi, nakshatra and Uttarayana-cum-Tapah-cum Magha etc. >months. It does not list any Mesha etc. rashis nor any planets like Mangal, >Budha etc. Same is the case with Yajur Jyotisha of about 11th century BCE >and later Atharva Jyotisha of about 5th century BCE, which does not have any >Rashis though it talks of planets. As such, it is really a fraud on the >Vedas being played by some charlatans to call any predictive gimmicks as >Vedic astrology and hail themselves as " Vedic Jyotishis " . It is a crime >under " The Consumer Protection Act " as it is a misrepresentation of facts to >a client and is thus a deficiency in service. > > > >Our predictions in the past also could never have been correct: > > It is said that over the past about 2000 years, our ancestors like >Varahamihira or his son Prithuyashas etc., could make marvellously correct >predictions. THAT IS NOTHING BUT HOGWASH! Let us see how: prior to the >advent of scientific astronomy into India, i.e. about a couple of centuries >back, panchangas were based on astronomical works like the Surya Sidhanta or >Aryabhati or Sidhanta Shirmoani etc. etc. I have prepared a software called > " Mahesh " . It calculates, apart from the actual tithi, nakshatra, yoga, >karna etc., the mean longitudes of all the planets from 10000 BCE to 12030 >AD i.e. for more than 22,000 years as per the Surya Sidhanta, Aryabhati or >Sidhanta Shiromani etc. besides comparing them with the longitudes as per >modern astronomy. Anybody can download it freely from my discussion forum > > HinduCalendar > >Unfortunately for these jyotishis, we find that the very fundamental >arguments of these sidahntas like the Surya Sidhanta, the Aryabhati, the >Sidhanta Shiromani etc. etc. are absolutely wrong! . > >That naturally means that any panchanga based on them would also be wrong, >with the result that any horoscope prepared on the basis of those panchangas >could never be correct. Thus it is impossible for any astrological >predictions to have been correct in the past! As such, it is all like the >famous couplet of Ghalib " yoon to hai hamko janat ki haqeeqat maloom >lekin; dil ke bahlane ko Ghalib yeh khayal achha hai " > > > >Astrology cannot be a science Predictive astrology is supposed to be a > " science " ! What a preposterous statement! When the data on which >predictions were based or are based these days are not correct, how can the >results be correct and how can we call it a science at all? > > > >Stars do not affect us: > > It is said that stars affect us! It appears either these astrologers have >gone honkers themselves or they suppose that the whole world has really gone >mad! Let us see how: >I am a puny human being on this small planet called earth. The sun is >hundreds of thousands of times larger than the earth! And there are other >stars of our nakshatra/rashichakra that are supposed to affect me >individually as per the Dasha-Bhukti that is running in my horoscope! >However, this fantastic statement has no leg to stand upon since the nearest >star of that Rashichakra is Shravana! And do you know its distance from me? >It is seventeen light years! And it is several times larger than our sun! >In other words, if that star wants i.e. Shravana wants to " affect " me >individually, it will take it at least seventeen years to do so even if that > " effect " travels at the speed of light! And by then, my Rahu or Shani or >whatever Dasha it may be must have been over! Then how can such a star which >is trillions of times larger than me send its rays in a concentrated form >just to haunt me at a particular point of time! Can you imagine what type >of laughing stocks we are making of ourselves by believing in such hocus >pocus! >Similarly, the next nearest star of our Rashichakra is Swati ! It is away >by 26 light years from me > >and is again several times larger than our sun!! > >It thus defies imagination as to how we can call astrology a science or how >it can be said that the " Stars affect us " . > > > >Patri Melapak (Horoscope Matching) is not warranted by shastras nor >astrology books: > > Now coming to the fad called Patri Melapak i.e. horoscope matching! This >fad is the rage of the day! You will be surprised to know that none of our >shastras, whether the Manusmriti or the Ramayana or the Mahabharata, leave >alone the Vedas, have anything to do with Patri Melapak even by mistake! We >do not find any instances that any Vedic Rishi was addicted to such a fad, >since may be then most of them would still have been looking for a " suitable >Patri " for melapak! Not to speak of Dharma shastras, there is no mention of >this type of a malady in any of the astrology books like the so called >Parashari, or Mansagari or Phala Deepika or Jataka Parijata or any other >work! It appears to be a creation of the jyotishis of over the last one >hundred years or so. Aleberuni, who visited India in 1030 AD and recorded >quite faithfully all his experiences about Jyotisha and other things in >India also has not mentioned anything of any " Melapak " in his work! > > " All India Calendar Reform Committee " : > >Summing up, as we have just seen, not only are we subjected to non-existent >fear psychosis like Kalasarpa Dosha and Patri Melapak etc. but we are >compelled to celebrate all our festivals on worng days. There are quite >a few people who agree with my point of view that these days we are >celebrating Pitra Amavasya on the day of Dipavali and marriages during >Pitra-Paksha! Similarly, we never celebrate Makar Sankranti on correct days >i.e. December 21/22 but we celebrate it on January 14. We also celebrate >Vaishakhi on April 14 instead of the day of Spring Equinox i.e., March 21 or >so. This has been all because of the so called " Vedic astrology " > >To put our festivals back on the right track, I made quite a few >representations to the Hon'ble President of India, the Prime Minister of >India, various ministries besides the Positional Astronomy Centre at >Calcutta, who publish our Rashtriya Panchanga. I also made similar >representations to all the reverred Shankaracharyas of all the six peethas, >besides other saints and Mahatmas, but sorry to say, there has been >absolutely no response from any quarter! > >We have now formed an " All India Calendar Reform Committee " and are >enrolling members for the same. Those interested can log on to >HinduCalendar for entering into discussions >regarding the same. You can also get a list of correct dates of festivals >for 2006 and 2007 from that forum. As an alternative, you can get in touch >with me whenever you want to for any further clarifications. > >Thank you very much for listening to this " exhortation " against " Vedic >astrology " and the efforts I am making to streamline our calendars. >Om tat sat brahmarpanam astu > >Avtar Krishen Kaul > >President > >All India Calendar Reform Committee > >H. No. 5, MIG, 00-A, > >Sector-2, Avantika, Rohini, Delhi-110085. > >Email:jyotirved; a_krishen; Tel. 011-27516483 > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 This is a very good article but erroneous....THOSE WHO HAVE EITHER BEEN A VICTIM OF FRAUD ASTROLOGERS........or those who did not have in their stars to study/predict through astrology....may start believing in the RATIONAL ???? PART of the article. Please explain rationally why even thogh I work as hard as anyone .......I do not become the owner of crores...while a child easily becomes the inheritor of billions just because he was born to rich parents. Please dont answer ---that life is a game of Heads and tails and that chance determines our life --- On Wed, 7/16/08, jyotishi2001 <jyotishi2001 wrote: jyotishi2001 <jyotishi2001 [vedic astrology] Fwd: " Vedic astrology " -- the greatest fraud on the Vedas! vedic astrology Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 7:56 AM , " jyotirved " <jyotirved@. ..> wrote: Respected Sirs, " Vedic astrology " - the greatest fraud on the Vedas Namaskar! The following speech was delivered in September 2006 at Rotary Club, West Delhi. The same talk appeared later as an article in the souvenir of the seminar on " Vedic astronomy & Cosmology " -December 2006. I am sure you will find it interesting. Regards, A K Kaul Om tat sat brahmarpanamastu! Om Brahmanandam Parama sukhadam kevalam gyan moortim, dwandvateetam gagana sadrisham tat-tvam asyadi lakshyam ekam nityam vimalam achalamsarva dhee sakshi bhootam, bhavateetam triguna rahitam shree gurum tam namami " Vedic Astrology " - the greatest fraud on the Vedas! Dear friends. Good evening to everybody! I feel highly honoured to have been invited by Shri Ajay Bhasin for sharing my views about astrology and related topics with respected personalities assembled here. As most of us already know, we call these predictive gimmicks as " Vedic astrology " these days. When I was asked by Shri Bhasin about the heading of my talk, I had thought of making it as " Vedic Astrology - the greatest fraud on the Vedas " . On second thoughts, fearing that it would be too explosive a heading, I made it a sugar coated bitter pill by changing it to " Do we celebrate our festivals on correct days? " . Well, actually, both i.e., the fraud known as " Vedic astrology " and " our celebrating all our festivals on wrong days " are inter-related. Let me start with " Vedic astrology " - as to why I call it a fraud! There is hardly anyone in India, who does not want to know as to when his " sade-sati " will start or end or as to which Dasha-antardasha he is running and when that will end etc. etc. even if he does not know ABC of jyotisha. I have gone through all those pangs myself and made a thorough study of all the astrological works besides a lot of astronomical books! I studied Western system of astrology also and had become a sort of famous astrologer, though my predictions were as correct as anybody else's i.e. hardly 50%. However, this is a secret that no " jyotishi " shares with anybody -- that his/her predictions are hardly more correct than fifty per cent, whatever logic or Ayanamsha he/she may use! When I analyzed the reasons for such a dismal rate of success, the conclusions were startling! And I am keeping those very conclusions before you! Before proceeding further, I must, however, say something about myself since you are well within your rights to ask me as to what " qualifications " I have to demolish astrology that is being practised over the last several centuries, nay even millennia! My credentials Though I am not laying any claims to being a scholar, however, I have actually studied all the four Vedas in original " archaic " Sanskrit with their different " Bhashyas " , besides the various Brahmanas like Shatapatha, Aitreya, Tatiriya etc. etc. I have studied, (in original Sanskrit!) about two hundred all the important Upanishads as well! I have also gone through both the epics viz. the Valmiki Ramayana and the Mahabharata --- in Sanskrit and from cover to cover, besides Adhyatma Ramayana, Ramacharitamanasa etc. etc.! There is hardly any Purana whether the Bhagavata, Shivapurana, Vishnu, Narada, Devi, Varaha, Matsya and Vishnudharmotara etc. etc. that I have not gone through in original Sanskrit. I have also studied exhaustively all the ancient astronomical works like the Vedanga Jyotisha, Panchasidhantika, Surya Sidhanta, Arya Bhati, Sidhanta Shiromani etc. etc. To crown it all, I was not a born renegade against the established traditions. On the other hand, I was initially " hypnotized " by " Vedic astrology " and " panchangas " myself and there is hardly any " text-book " of astrology either in Sanskrit or Urdu or English or Hindi that I have not studied with due reverence, as if I was studying the Vedas! Having established my credentials thus, I CAN DECLARE IT WITHOUT ANY HESITATION AND WITH ALL THE EMPHASIS AT MY COMMAND, THAT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO PREDICTIVE ASTROLOGY IN ANY OF THE VEDAS, UPANISHADAS OR BRAHMANAS. There are, however, some references to some odd types of predictions in some of the Puranas and the epics and therefore calling it as really a post-Vedic astrology is more correct. There is a rider there also, and that is that according to these scriptures, Makara Sankranti i.e. Pongal is nothing but a synonym of Uttarayana (the shortest day of the year) i.e. Winter Solstice and as everybody knows, it can take place these days only on or around December 21 every year. Thus the Uttarayana-cum- Makar Sankranti that we are celebrating now-a-days on January 14 is absolutely wrong and does not have any authority from any shastra or even modern astronomy. Similarly, the Vaishakhi that is being celebrated on April 14 or so also is wrong since Mesha Sankranti is nothing but Vishuva (Vernal Equinox) or Vasant Sampat and it cannot take place on any day other than March 21/22, when the day and night are equal. Actually these Makara etc. sankrantis were known as Tapah etc. months during the Vedic period as there are no rashis in the Vedas but just six seasons and Madhu, Madhava etc. twelve months. As such, we are celebrating all our fasts, fairs and muhurtas on wrong days -- thanks to " Vedic astrologers " and their " Vedic astrology " . The first and foremost thing I learnt from our shastras is that no system of predictions has any sanction either from the Vedas or even Puranas least of all our dharmashastras etc. since all our shastras admonish us from consulting " nakshatra jeevis " so much so that the Manusmriti calls these nakshatrasoochis as outcastes and not fit to sit in any sabha of learned people. Those who can foresee our future do not reveal it to us beforehand: All the Ramayanas, whether Valmiki or Adhyatma or Ramacharitamanasa etc. etc. say that before deciding about the coronation of Bhagwan Rama, Dashratha wanted his guru Vasishtha to confirm the suitable muhurta for that function. It was on the advice of Vasishtha Muni that Dasharatha decided to anoint Rama as the Yuvraja the very next day, as it was " Tishya " i.e. Pushya nakshata then. From this anecdote, it is clear that either Vasishtha Muni did not know as to what was going to happen to Dasharatha by declaring Bhagwan Rama as a crown-prince or Vasishtha kept quiet deliberately since he did not want to interfere in the divine dispensation! Obviously, being the son of Brahmaji and a highly exalted yogi as well as a jnyani, Vasishtha-muni could peep into past as well as future. It means that even if some exalted souls can foresee as to what is going to happen, they do not reveal our " bhavishya " before hand, unlike some of the astrologers of today, who masquerade as " Parasharas " and " Vamadevas " to tell us even our past and future janmas just by glancing at our birth-charts, even if those charts are wrong! The Gita is said to be the gist of all our shastras. When Arjuna expressed his doubt by saying naitadvidmah katarnno gareeyo, yadva jayema yadi va no jayeyuh " I do not know what is good for me nor do I know whether we will win or the Kauravas will win the war " , Bhagwan Krishna neither asked him to consult some soothsayer nor did He tell him to wear some ruby! He just advised Arjuna " hato va prapsyasi swargam jitva va bokshyase maheem " i.e. " You must fight. If you get killed in the war, you will go to the heavens and if you win it you will be the lord of the whole world " . Thus all it boils down to is the fact that those who know (including Lord Krishna Himself!) as to what is going to happen and when do not divulge such " secrets " before hand to us. Remedial measures are a farce: Almost all the jyotishis suggest one or the other remedial measure to their clients, and mostly these are gems like diamond or ruby or sapphire etc. etc. What is surprising is that we have become so obsessed with Jyotish that we forget the entire itihasa of our past! (i) If these gems are that efficacious, why was then Dasharatha not suggested some " ruby " or " coral " to ward off the evil Dasha that was going to kill him when Rama would leave for the forests? Well, because our Rishis did not believe in such gimmicks at all! (ii) Bhagwan Krishna was born in a prison --- I wonder why He could not use some " sapphire " to be born in a palace! (iii) Vasudeva and Devaki---the parents of Bhagwan Krishna--- were in chains when He was born! It is said that Lord Krishna was a complete - 16 kala sampoorna --- divine incarnation of Vishnu and was thus really Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient! But in spite of His Omniscience, Omnipotence and Omnipresence, Lord Krishna could not relieve the miseries of his parents, Vasudeva and Devaki, who had to remain in chains till Krishna killed Kansa! What does it demonstrate? Just the fact that if the Omniscient, Omnipresent and Omnipotent Krishna could not relieve the miseries of His own father or mother before the appointed time, how can a ruby or a sapphire---or some Mangala or Shani yagya--- remove all our miseries or fulfil all our ambitions? Obviously, we are being taken for a ride by such Jyotishis! iv) Then not in the distant past, Smti Indira Gandhi would run after astrologers for knowing her future. She wore a rare and original ekamukhi rudraksha, which only either the Maharaja of Nepal had or she was wearing! It is said that some top-notch jyotishis had suggested that rudraksha to her! Ironically, both the King of Nepal as well Mrs. Indira Gandhi were assassinated " by the people " they " had trusted " ---- ekamukhi rudraksha not withstanding! What does it prove? That we should not be hoodwinked by soothsayers! v) Then again a well known Tantrik of yore---highly respected by the then PM--- is out on bail, not by dint of his " Tantra-Kriya " but because of some legal loopholes in FERA! Similarly, Dhirendra Brahmachari, another high profile " Tantrik " , met with an accident in the plane he was flying himself! If he could not see his own death looming large how could he forewarn others! What does that prove? Obviously, it warns us against relying on any soothsayers, especially if they call themselves " Vedic Jyotishis " since they are taking us for a ride literally. Kalasarpa Dosha -- a non-existent fear psychosis: These days we hear a lot about Kalasarpa Dosha! It is said to be present in any horoscope if all the planets are between Rahu and Ketu! My God! What a humbug! Rahu and Ketu are actually nodes of the Moon! That means they are just mathematical points without any dimensions ---therefore without any physical existence whatsoever! So according to " Vedic astrologers " even such " non-existent " phenomena can make our lives miserable for which we must do some upay! Do you need any other proofs for the jugglery that these cheats are indulging in? THE ONLY EFFECTIVE REMEDY, or UPAY, THEREFORE, IS THAT WE MUST REMEMBER HIM, THE ALMIGHTY, EVERY MOMENT OF OUR LIVES AND LEAVE EVERY THING TO HIS DIVINE WILL!. Fake Brighu Samhitas and Parasharis: We find a Brighu Samhita or a nadi Jyotishi or Aruna Samhita etc. in every Muhalla these days! However, there is no mention in any of the Puranas or shastras that any Rishi like Vasishtha or Garga or Brighu etc. have ever written any books on predictive astrology. The Vishnu Purana by Parashara is full of astronomical references ---and that also sayana i.e. the seasonal year when Mesha sankranti is another name of Spring Equinox and so on, but we do not find any mention of any Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra there! Obviously, it is the worst concoction that can ever be had, and may be that is why such a Parashari is the bible of " Vedic astrologers " India has gone downhill because of astrology and astrologers: In India, we have started going downhill ever since our rulers started running after Jyotishis. In ancient days, during the time of the Mahabharata, it was a dharma yudha that we had to fight against our own Duryodhanas but ever since the advent of astrology almost simultaneously with the invasion of Alexander the Great, and then the " Yavana Jatakam " of Sphujidwaja and the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the Yavana (mlechha!), we had to fight outsiders! The more the foreigners invaded us the more our rulers, instead of making a united effort against the invaders, started consulting soothsayers whom they called Rajajyotishis! Varahamihira the worst culprit: The maximum credit for creating such a fear psychosis of omens and ghosts and ghouls and storms and even clouds goes to Varahamihira of 5th century AD through his Brihat Samita and Brihat Jatakam and Panchasidhantika! Before venturing into the battlefield, our monarchs would ask their soothsayers to prepare " narpati jaya charya " and consult Brihat Samhita etc. to see whether the " ketuchara " was favourable at that time or not! No wonder with such a preliminary and hopeless knowledge of astronomical facts, we were being pushed back into dark ages by Varahamihira and his followers! Our historical records are witness to the fact that we were vanquished in every battle, whether it was with Alexander the Great or Muhamud of Gazni or Chengiz Khan or Nadir Shah or the Moguls or finally the East India Company, thanks to the dependence of our monarchs on soothsayers (Rajajyotishis, huh!) instead of the principles of war strategy and statecraft as adumbrated by the Vedas, the Manu and even Chanakya, who chided kings for consulting soothsayers! BJP the latest example: The fate of the BJP has not been any better than that of our earlier monarchs by depending more on their " Vedic Jyotishis " who were responsible for getting " Vedic Jyotisha (sic!) " prescribed in Indian Universities! It is that very move that boomeranged on the party and even the " Minister of astrology " did not win his own parliamentary seat from Allahabad, let alone being the Union Minister again. Do you need any other proofs of the fact that these " Vedic Jyotishis " will make you lose your seat of power well before the appointed day just by making you advance your elections? If we continue to follow the trend of our " monarchs " of having blind faith in our soothsayers, then sooner than later we will become Babylon of yesteryears, which is known as Iraq today! Kashmiri Pandits were the worst affected by their blind faith in Jyotishis: Another reason for my revolt against the so called " Vedic astrology " is that as a Kashmiri Pandit, I have more to blame panchanga makers and soothsayers and their predictive gimmicks than anything or anybody else since they never forewarned us about any calamities that were going to befall us! On the other hand, just to prove their astrological gimmicks, they just made ---and are still making --- us celebrate all our festivals, including Mahashivaratri, Vasanti Navratras, Ramanavami, Janmashtami and Sharadiya navratras etc. on wrong days. It is these very jyotishis, whom we had treated as our friends, philosophers and guides, who are responsible for our downfall as Kahsmiri Pandits, since they proved neither our friends, nor philosophers least of all our guides! These Panchanga makers/jyotishis were the first to flee from Kashmir in 1990--- like the king Hari Singh at the time of Pakistani raid in 1948--- since they had already made their alternate homes in safer places like Jammu and Delhi. Those Jyotishis just proved to be Shylocks, who were only interested in their Pound of flesh by way of Dakshinas for janmapatris and matching of horoscopes -- all cheating and nothing else! These soothsayers have such a hypnotic grip on us that initially even I was brain washed to believe that the Vedas had nothing else to do excepting teaching us predictive astrology! I was so convinced that it appeared that even the principle of Secondary Progressions must have been exported from India to Western countries as the principle of " A day equals a year " was mentioned in our Vedas! But thank God, I woke up to the situation and could see through their tricks. There are no Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis in the Vedas: Leave alone predictive gimmicks, actually there are neither rashis like Mesha, Vrisha etc. nor planets like Mangal, Shani etc. in the Vedas, Upanishads, Brahmanas etc. Similarly, the Vedanga Jyotisha, the first indigenous astronomical work of 14th century BCE, just tells us only as to how to calculate tithi, nakshatra and Uttarayana-cum- Tapah-cum Magha etc. months. It does not list any Mesha etc. rashis nor any planets like Mangal, Budha etc. Same is the case with Yajur Jyotisha of about 11th century BCE and later Atharva Jyotisha of about 5th century BCE, which does not have any Rashis though it talks of planets. As such, it is really a fraud on the Vedas being played by some charlatans to call any predictive gimmicks as Vedic astrology and hail themselves as " Vedic Jyotishis " . It is a crime under " The Consumer Protection Act " as it is a misrepresentation of facts to a client and is thus a deficiency in service. Our predictions in the past also could never have been correct: It is said that over the past about 2000 years, our ancestors like Varahamihira or his son Prithuyashas etc., could make marvellously correct predictions. THAT IS NOTHING BUT HOGWASH! Let us see how: prior to the advent of scientific astronomy into India, i.e. about a couple of centuries back, panchangas were based on astronomical works like the Surya Sidhanta or Aryabhati or Sidhanta Shirmoani etc. etc. I have prepared a software called " Mahesh " . It calculates, apart from the actual tithi, nakshatra, yoga, karna etc., the mean longitudes of all the planets from 10000 BCE to 12030 AD i.e. for more than 22,000 years as per the Surya Sidhanta, Aryabhati or Sidhanta Shiromani etc. besides comparing them with the longitudes as per modern astronomy. Anybody can download it freely from my discussion forum http://groups. / group/HinduCalen dar Unfortunately for these jyotishis, we find that the very fundamental arguments of these sidahntas like the Surya Sidhanta, the Aryabhati, the Sidhanta Shiromani etc. etc. are absolutely wrong! . That naturally means that any panchanga based on them would also be wrong, with the result that any horoscope prepared on the basis of those panchangas could never be correct. Thus it is impossible for any astrological predictions to have been correct in the past! As such, it is all like the famous couplet of Ghalib " yoon to hai hamko janat ki haqeeqat maloom lekin; dil ke bahlane ko Ghalib yeh khayal achha hai " Astrology cannot be a science Predictive astrology is supposed to be a " science " ! What a preposterous statement! When the data on which predictions were based or are based these days are not correct, how can the results be correct and how can we call it a science at all? Stars do not affect us: It is said that stars affect us! It appears either these astrologers have gone honkers themselves or they suppose that the whole world has really gone mad! Let us see how: I am a puny human being on this small planet called earth. The sun is hundreds of thousands of times larger than the earth! And there are other stars of our nakshatra/rashichak ra that are supposed to affect me individually as per the Dasha-Bhukti that is running in my horoscope! However, this fantastic statement has no leg to stand upon since the nearest star of that Rashichakra is Shravana! And do you know its distance from me? It is seventeen light years! And it is several times larger than our sun! In other words, if that star wants i.e. Shravana wants to " affect " me individually, it will take it at least seventeen years to do so even if that " effect " travels at the speed of light! And by then, my Rahu or Shani or whatever Dasha it may be must have been over! Then how can such a star which is trillions of times larger than me send its rays in a concentrated form just to haunt me at a particular point of time! Can you imagine what type of laughing stocks we are making of ourselves by believing in such hocus pocus! Similarly, the next nearest star of our Rashichakra is Swati ! It is away by 26 light years from me and is again several times larger than our sun!! It thus defies imagination as to how we can call astrology a science or how it can be said that the " Stars affect us " . Patri Melapak (Horoscope Matching) is not warranted by shastras nor astrology books: Now coming to the fad called Patri Melapak i.e. horoscope matching! This fad is the rage of the day! You will be surprised to know that none of our shastras, whether the Manusmriti or the Ramayana or the Mahabharata, leave alone the Vedas, have anything to do with Patri Melapak even by mistake! We do not find any instances that any Vedic Rishi was addicted to such a fad, since may be then most of them would still have been looking for a " suitable Patri " for melapak! Not to speak of Dharma shastras, there is no mention of this type of a malady in any of the astrology books like the so called Parashari, or Mansagari or Phala Deepika or Jataka Parijata or any other work! It appears to be a creation of the jyotishis of over the last one hundred years or so. Aleberuni, who visited India in 1030 AD and recorded quite faithfully all his experiences about Jyotisha and other things in India also has not mentioned anything of any " Melapak " in his work! " All India Calendar Reform Committee " : Summing up, as we have just seen, not only are we subjected to non-existent fear psychosis like Kalasarpa Dosha and Patri Melapak etc. but we are compelled to celebrate all our festivals on worng days. There are quite a few people who agree with my point of view that these days we are celebrating Pitra Amavasya on the day of Dipavali and marriages during Pitra-Paksha! Similarly, we never celebrate Makar Sankranti on correct days i.e. December 21/22 but we celebrate it on January 14. We also celebrate Vaishakhi on April 14 instead of the day of Spring Equinox i.e., March 21 or so. This has been all because of the so called " Vedic astrology " To put our festivals back on the right track, I made quite a few representations to the Hon'ble President of India, the Prime Minister of India, various ministries besides the Positional Astronomy Centre at Calcutta, who publish our Rashtriya Panchanga. I also made similar representations to all the reverred Shankaracharyas of all the six peethas, besides other saints and Mahatmas, but sorry to say, there has been absolutely no response from any quarter! We have now formed an " All India Calendar Reform Committee " and are enrolling members for the same. Those interested can log on to http://groups. / group/HinduCalen dar for entering into discussions regarding the same. You can also get a list of correct dates of festivals for 2006 and 2007 from that forum. As an alternative, you can get in touch with me whenever you want to for any further clarifications. Thank you very much for listening to this " exhortation " against " Vedic astrology " and the efforts I am making to streamline our calendars. Om tat sat brahmarpanam astu Avtar Krishen Kaul President All India Calendar Reform Committee H. No. 5, MIG, 00-A, Sector-2, Avantika, Rohini, Delhi-110085. Email:jyotirved@ ...; a_krishen@.. .; Tel. 011-27516483 --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Dear Jain Sahib, Many thanks for your hearty welcome to me as a group member. I joined this forum because the posts are not moderated and anybody can express his/her views without any censorship. It is a healthy trend in any discussion so long as some member does not start either hitting below the belt or using highly offensive/obnoxious and unparliamentary language in an academic discussion. In that case, the only way out is to quietly remove that member after giving him/her a couple of warnings! That is what I have to do sometimes in HinduCalendar forum! Regarding astrology being a branch of the Vedas or being connected with astrophysics, there is absolutely no possibility of anything like that. The former is clear from the fact that I have not come acorss any predictive gimmikcs in any of the Vedas or Puranas or Itihasa etc. etc. And regarding the latter, i.e. the theory that predictive gimmicks are something like astronomy, it has been bashed mercilessly by no other person than the Nobel Laureate Prof. Jayant Narlikar, the noted astrophysicist of India. Normally, when asked to substantiate their arguments, " Vedic astrologers " either beat a hasty retreat or try to bulldoze by using highly offensive language. In any case, let us see what any of the members of the forum have to say in " defence " of astrology! I may put on record that I have become a renegade about predictive gimmicks because of the fact that " Vedic astrology " has made all the festivals and muhurtas of the Vedic hindus spin on its head, so much so that we are celebrating all our festivals and muhurtas on wrong days on account of the confusion regarding sayana-nirayana etc. rashis and nakshatras! With regards, A K Kaul , " sanatkumar jain " <sanatkumar_jain wrote: > > Respected Sh Kaul Ji, > Namaskar, > Today I saw your msg in our forum and glad to see you in our forum. I alongwith members of the forum welcome you and hope to have your valuable views on astrology in response to the observation of the members regarding astrology. > Thanks once again for joining the forum. > > > Yours > sanat > > > On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 jyotirved wrote : > > > >Respected Sirs, > > > > > > " Vedic astrology " - the greatest fraud on the Vedas > > > > > >Namaskar! > > > > > >The following speech was delivered in September 2006 at Rotary Club, West > >Delhi. The same talk appeared later as an article in the souvenir of the > >seminar on " Vedic astronomy & Cosmology " -December 2006. I am sure you will > >find it interesting. > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > >A K Kaul > > > > > > > > > > > >Om tat sat brahmarpanamastu! > > > > > >Om Brahmanandam Parama sukhadam kevalam gyan moortim, dwandvateetam gagana > >sadrisham tat-tvam asyadi lakshyam ekam > >nityam vimalam achalamsarva dhee sakshi bhootam, bhavateetam triguna rahitam > >shree gurum tam namami > > > > > > " Vedic Astrology " - the greatest fraud on the Vedas! > > > > > >Dear friends. Good evening to everybody! > > > >I feel highly honoured to have been invited by Shri Ajay Bhasin for sharing > >my views about astrology and related topics with respected personalities > >assembled here. As most of us already know, we call these predictive > >gimmicks as " Vedic astrology " these days. > > > > > > > >When I was asked by Shri Bhasin about the heading of my talk, I had thought > >of making it as " Vedic Astrology - the greatest fraud on the Vedas " . On > >second thoughts, fearing that it would be too explosive a heading, I made it > >a sugar coated bitter pill by changing it to " Do we celebrate our festivals > >on correct days? " . > > > > > > > >Well, actually, both i.e., the fraud known as " Vedic astrology " and " our > >celebrating all our festivals on wrong days " are inter-related. > > > >Let me start with " Vedic astrology " - as to why I call it a fraud! > > > >There is hardly anyone in India, who does not want to know as to when his > > " sade-sati " will start or end or as to which Dasha-antardasha he is running > >and when that will end etc. etc. even if he does not know ABC of jyotisha. > >I have gone through all those pangs myself and made a thorough study of all > >the astrological works besides a lot of astronomical books! I studied > >Western system of astrology also and had become a sort of famous astrologer, > >though my predictions were as correct as anybody else's i.e. hardly 50%. > >However, this is a secret that no " jyotishi " shares with anybody - - that > >his/her predictions are hardly more correct than fifty per cent, whatever > >logic or Ayanamsha he/she may use! When I analyzed the reasons for such a > >dismal rate of success, the conclusions were startling! And I am keeping > >those very conclusions before you! > > > > > > > >Before proceeding further, I must, however, say something about myself since > >you are well within your rights to ask me as to what " qualifications " I have > >to demolish astrology that is being practised over the last several > >centuries, nay even millennia! > > > > > > > >My credentials Though I am not laying any claims to being a scholar, > >however, I have actually studied all the four Vedas in original " archaic " > >Sanskrit with their different " Bhashyas " , besides the various Brahmanas > >like Shatapatha, Aitreya, Tatiriya etc. etc. I have studied, (in original > >Sanskrit!) about two hundred all the important Upanishads as well! I have > >also gone through both the epics viz. the Valmiki Ramayana and the > >Mahabharata --- in Sanskrit and from cover to cover, besides Adhyatma > >Ramayana, Ramacharitamanasa etc. etc.! There is hardly any Purana whether > >the Bhagavata, Shivapurana, Vishnu, Narada, Devi, Varaha, Matsya and > >Vishnudharmotara etc. etc. that I have not gone through in original > >Sanskrit. I have also studied exhaustively all the ancient astronomical > >works like the Vedanga Jyotisha, Panchasidhantika, Surya Sidhanta, Arya > >Bhati, Sidhanta Shiromani etc. etc. To crown it all, I was not a born > >renegade against the established traditions. On the other hand, I was > >initially " hypnotized " by " Vedic astrology " and " panchangas " myself and > >there is hardly any " text-book " of astrology either in Sanskrit or Urdu or > >English or Hindi that I have not studied with due reverence, as if I was > >studying the Vedas! > > > > > > > >Having established my credentials thus, I CAN DECLARE IT WITHOUT ANY > >HESITATION AND WITH ALL THE EMPHASIS AT MY COMMAND, THAT THERE IS > >ABSOLUTELY NO PREDICTIVE ASTROLOGY IN ANY OF THE VEDAS, UPANISHADAS OR > >BRAHMANAS. There are, however, some references to some odd types of > >predictions in some of the Puranas and the epics and therefore calling it as > >really a post-Vedic astrology is more correct. There is a rider there also, > >and that is that according to these scriptures, Makara Sankranti i.e. Pongal > >is nothing but a synonym of Uttarayana (the shortest day of the year) i.e. > >Winter Solstice and as everybody knows, it can take place these days only on > >or around December 21 every year. Thus the Uttarayana-cum-Makar Sankranti > >that we are celebrating now-a-days on January 14 is absolutely wrong and > >does not have any authority from any shastra or even modern astronomy. > >Similarly, the Vaishakhi that is being celebrated on April 14 or so also is > >wrong since Mesha Sankranti is nothing but Vishuva (Vernal Equinox) or > >Vasant Sampat and it cannot take place on any day other than March 21/22, > >when the day and night are equal. Actually these Makara etc. sankrantis were > >known as Tapah etc. months during the Vedic period as there are no rashis in > >the Vedas but just six seasons and Madhu, Madhava etc. twelve months. As > >such, we are celebrating all our fasts, fairs and muhurtas on wrong days -- > >thanks to " Vedic astrologers " and their " Vedic astrology " . > > > > > > > > The first and foremost thing I learnt from our shastras is that no system > >of predictions has any sanction either from the Vedas or even Puranas > >least of all our dharmashastras etc. since all our shastras admonish us from > >consulting " nakshatra jeevis " so much so that the Manusmriti calls these > >nakshatrasoochis as outcastes and not fit to sit in any sabha of learned > >people. > > > >Those who can foresee our future do not reveal it to us beforehand: > > > >All the Ramayanas, whether Valmiki or Adhyatma or Ramacharitamanasa etc. > >etc. say that before deciding about the coronation of Bhagwan Rama, > >Dashratha wanted his guru Vasishtha to confirm the suitable muhurta for that > >function. It was on the advice of Vasishtha Muni that Dasharatha decided > >to anoint Rama as the Yuvraja the very next day, as it was " Tishya " i.e. > >Pushya nakshata then. From this anecdote, it is clear that either Vasishtha > >Muni did not know as to what was going to happen to Dasharatha by declaring > >Bhagwan Rama as a crown-prince or Vasishtha kept quiet deliberately since he > >did not want to interfere in the divine dispensation! > > > > > > > >Obviously, being the son of Brahmaji and a highly exalted yogi as well as a > >jnyani, Vasishtha-muni could peep into past as well as future. It means > >that even if some exalted souls can foresee as to what is going to happen, > >they do not reveal our " bhavishya " before hand, unlike some of the > >astrologers of today, who masquerade as " Parasharas " and " Vamadevas " to tell > >us even our past and future janmas just by glancing at our birth- charts, > >even if those charts are wrong! > > > > > > > >The Gita is said to be the gist of all our shastras. When Arjuna expressed > >his doubt by saying naitadvidmah katarnno gareeyo, yadva jayema yadi va no > >jayeyuh " I do not know what is good for me nor do I know whether we will win > >or the Kauravas will win the war " , Bhagwan Krishna neither asked him to > >consult some soothsayer nor did He tell him to wear some ruby! He just > >advised Arjuna " hato va prapsyasi swargam jitva va bokshyase maheem " i.e. > > " You must fight. If you get killed in the war, you will go to the heavens > >and if you win it you will be the lord of the whole world " . > > > >Thus all it boils down to is the fact that those who know (including Lord > >Krishna Himself!) as to what is going to happen and when do not divulge such > > " secrets " before hand to us. > > > > > > > >Remedial measures are a farce: Almost all the jyotishis suggest one or the > >other remedial measure to their clients, and mostly these are gems like > >diamond or ruby or sapphire etc. etc. What is surprising is that we have > >become so obsessed with Jyotish that we forget the entire itihasa of our > >past! > > > >(i) If these gems are that efficacious, why was then Dasharatha not > >suggested some " ruby " or " coral " to ward off the evil Dasha that was going > >to kill him when Rama would leave for the forests? Well, because our Rishis > >did not believe in such gimmicks at all! > > > >(ii) Bhagwan Krishna was born in a prison --- I wonder why He could not > >use some " sapphire " to be born in a palace! > > > > (iii) Vasudeva and Devaki---the parents of Bhagwan Krishna--- were in > >chains when He was born! It is said that Lord Krishna was a complete - 16 > >kala sampoorna --- divine incarnation of Vishnu and was thus really > >Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient! But in spite of His Omniscience, > >Omnipotence and Omnipresence, Lord Krishna could not relieve the miseries of > >his parents, Vasudeva and Devaki, who had to remain in chains till Krishna > >killed Kansa! > > > > > > > >What does it demonstrate? Just the fact that if the Omniscient, Omnipresent > >and Omnipotent Krishna could not relieve the miseries of His own father or > >mother before the appointed time, how can a ruby or a sapphire--- or some > >Mangala or Shani yagya--- remove all our miseries or fulfil all our > >ambitions? Obviously, we are being taken for a ride by such Jyotishis! > > > > > > > >iv) Then not in the distant past, Smti Indira Gandhi would run after > >astrologers for knowing her future. She wore a rare and original ekamukhi > >rudraksha, which only either the Maharaja of Nepal had or she was wearing! > >It is said that some top-notch jyotishis had suggested that rudraksha to > >her! Ironically, both the King of Nepal as well Mrs. Indira Gandhi were > >assassinated " by the people " they " had trusted " ----ekamukhi rudraksha not > >withstanding! What does it prove? That we should not be hoodwinked by > >soothsayers! > > > > > > > >v) Then again a well known Tantrik of yore---highly respected by the then > >PM--- is out on bail, not by dint of his " Tantra-Kriya " but because of some > >legal loopholes in FERA! > >Similarly, Dhirendra Brahmachari, another high profile " Tantrik " , met with > >an accident in the plane he was flying himself! If he could not see his own > >death looming large how could he forewarn others! > > > > > >What does that prove? Obviously, it warns us against relying on any > >soothsayers, especially if they call themselves " Vedic Jyotishis " since they > >are taking us for a ride literally. > > > >Kalasarpa Dosha -- a non-existent fear psychosis: These days we hear a lot > >about Kalasarpa Dosha! It is said to be present in any horoscope if all the > >planets are between Rahu and Ketu! My God! What a humbug! Rahu and Ketu > >are actually nodes of the Moon! That means they are just mathematical > >points without any dimensions ---therefore without any physical existence > >whatsoever! So according to " Vedic astrologers " even such " non- existent " > >phenomena can make our lives miserable for which we must do some upay! Do > >you need any other proofs for the jugglery that these cheats are indulging > >in? > > > >THE ONLY EFFECTIVE REMEDY, or UPAY, THEREFORE, IS THAT WE MUST REMEMBER HIM, > >THE ALMIGHTY, EVERY MOMENT OF OUR LIVES AND LEAVE EVERY THING TO HIS DIVINE > >WILL!. > > > > > > > >Fake Brighu Samhitas and Parasharis: > > > >We find a Brighu Samhita or a nadi Jyotishi or Aruna Samhita etc. in every > >Muhalla these days! However, there is no mention in any of the Puranas or > >shastras that any Rishi like Vasishtha or Garga or Brighu etc. have ever > >written any books on predictive astrology. The Vishnu Purana by Parashara > >is full of astronomical references ---and that also sayana i.e. the > >seasonal year when Mesha sankranti is another name of Spring Equinox and so > >on, but we do not find any mention of any Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra > >there! Obviously, it is the worst concoction that can ever be had, and may > >be that is why such a Parashari is the bible of " Vedic astrologers " > > > > > >India has gone downhill because of astrology and astrologers: In India, we > >have started going downhill ever since our rulers started running after > >Jyotishis. In ancient days, during the time of the Mahabharata, it was a > >dharma yudha that we had to fight against our own Duryodhanas but ever since > >the advent of astrology almost simultaneously with the invasion of Alexander > >the Great, and then the " Yavana Jatakam " of Sphujidwaja and the Surya > >Sidhanta of Maya the Yavana (mlechha!), we had to fight outsiders! The > >more the foreigners invaded us the more our rulers, instead of making a > >united effort against the invaders, started consulting soothsayers whom they > >called Rajajyotishis! > > > > > > > >Varahamihira the worst culprit: > > > >The maximum credit for creating such a fear psychosis of omens and ghosts > >and ghouls and storms and even clouds goes to Varahamihira of 5th century > >AD through his Brihat Samita and Brihat Jatakam and Panchasidhantika! > >Before venturing into the battlefield, our monarchs would ask their > >soothsayers to prepare " narpati jaya charya " and consult Brihat Samhita etc. > >to see whether the " ketuchara " was favourable at that time or not! No > >wonder with such a preliminary and hopeless knowledge of astronomical facts, > >we were being pushed back into dark ages by Varahamihira and his followers! > > > > > > > >Our historical records are witness to the fact that we were vanquished in > >every battle, whether it was with Alexander the Great or Muhamud of Gazni or > >Chengiz Khan or Nadir Shah or the Moguls or finally the East India Company, > >thanks to the dependence of our monarchs on soothsayers (Rajajyotishis, > >huh!) instead of the principles of war strategy and statecraft as adumbrated > >by the Vedas, the Manu and even Chanakya, who chided kings for consulting > >soothsayers! > > > > > >BJP the latest example: > > > >The fate of the BJP has not been any better than that of our earlier > >monarchs by depending more on their " Vedic Jyotishis " who were responsible > >for getting " Vedic Jyotisha (sic!) " prescribed in Indian Universities! It > >is that very move that boomeranged on the party and even the " Minister of > >astrology " did not win his own parliamentary seat from Allahabad, let alone > >being the Union Minister again. Do you need any other proofs of the fact > >that these " Vedic Jyotishis " will make you lose your seat of power well > >before the appointed day just by making you advance your elections? > > > > > > > > If we continue to follow the trend of our " monarchs " of having blind faith > >in our soothsayers, then sooner than later we will become Babylon of > >yesteryears, which is known as Iraq today! > > > > > > > >Kashmiri Pandits were the worst affected by their blind faith in Jyotishis: > > > > Another reason for my revolt against the so called " Vedic astrology " is > >that as a Kashmiri Pandit, I have more to blame panchanga makers and > >soothsayers and their predictive gimmicks than anything or anybody else > >since they never forewarned us about any calamities that were going to > >befall us! On the other hand, just to prove their astrological gimmicks, > >they just made ---and are still making --- us celebrate all our festivals, > >including Mahashivaratri, Vasanti Navratras, Ramanavami, Janmashtami and > >Sharadiya navratras etc. on wrong days. It is these very jyotishis, whom we > >had treated as our friends, philosophers and guides, who are responsible for > >our downfall as Kahsmiri Pandits, since they proved neither our friends, nor > >philosophers least of all our guides! These Panchanga makers/jyotishis were > >the first to flee from Kashmir in 1990--- like the king Hari Singh at the > >time of Pakistani raid in 1948--- since they had already made their > >alternate homes in safer places like Jammu and Delhi. Those Jyotishis > >just proved to be Shylocks, who were only interested in their Pound of flesh > >by way of Dakshinas for janmapatris and matching of horoscopes -- all > >cheating and nothing else! > > > > > > > >These soothsayers have such a hypnotic grip on us that initially even I was > >brain washed to believe that the Vedas had nothing else to do excepting > >teaching us predictive astrology! I was so convinced that it appeared that > >even the principle of Secondary Progressions must have been exported from > >India to Western countries as the principle of " A day equals a year " was > >mentioned in our Vedas! But thank God, I woke up to the situation and could > >see through their tricks. > > > > > > > >There are no Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis in the Vedas: > > > > Leave alone predictive gimmicks, actually there are neither rashis like > >Mesha, Vrisha etc. nor planets like Mangal, Shani etc. in the Vedas, > >Upanishads, Brahmanas etc. Similarly, the Vedanga Jyotisha, the first > >indigenous astronomical work of 14th century BCE, just tells us only as to > >how to calculate tithi, nakshatra and Uttarayana-cum-Tapah-cum Magha etc. > >months. It does not list any Mesha etc. rashis nor any planets like Mangal, > >Budha etc. Same is the case with Yajur Jyotisha of about 11th century BCE > >and later Atharva Jyotisha of about 5th century BCE, which does not have any > >Rashis though it talks of planets. As such, it is really a fraud on the > >Vedas being played by some charlatans to call any predictive gimmicks as > >Vedic astrology and hail themselves as " Vedic Jyotishis " . It is a crime > >under " The Consumer Protection Act " as it is a misrepresentation of facts to > >a client and is thus a deficiency in service. > > > > > > > >Our predictions in the past also could never have been correct: > > > > It is said that over the past about 2000 years, our ancestors like > >Varahamihira or his son Prithuyashas etc., could make marvellously correct > >predictions. THAT IS NOTHING BUT HOGWASH! Let us see how: prior to the > >advent of scientific astronomy into India, i.e. about a couple of centuries > >back, panchangas were based on astronomical works like the Surya Sidhanta or > >Aryabhati or Sidhanta Shirmoani etc. etc. I have prepared a software called > > " Mahesh " . It calculates, apart from the actual tithi, nakshatra, yoga, > >karna etc., the mean longitudes of all the planets from 10000 BCE to 12030 > >AD i.e. for more than 22,000 years as per the Surya Sidhanta, Aryabhati or > >Sidhanta Shiromani etc. besides comparing them with the longitudes as per > >modern astronomy. Anybody can download it freely from my discussion forum > > > > HinduCalendar > > > >Unfortunately for these jyotishis, we find that the very fundamental > >arguments of these sidahntas like the Surya Sidhanta, the Aryabhati, the > >Sidhanta Shiromani etc. etc. are absolutely wrong! . > > > >That naturally means that any panchanga based on them would also be wrong, > >with the result that any horoscope prepared on the basis of those panchangas > >could never be correct. Thus it is impossible for any astrological > >predictions to have been correct in the past! As such, it is all like the > >famous couplet of Ghalib " yoon to hai hamko janat ki haqeeqat maloom > >lekin; dil ke bahlane ko Ghalib yeh khayal achha hai " > > > > > > > >Astrology cannot be a science Predictive astrology is supposed to be a > > " science " ! What a preposterous statement! When the data on which > >predictions were based or are based these days are not correct, how can the > >results be correct and how can we call it a science at all? > > > > > > > >Stars do not affect us: > > > > It is said that stars affect us! It appears either these astrologers have > >gone honkers themselves or they suppose that the whole world has really gone > >mad! Let us see how: > >I am a puny human being on this small planet called earth. The sun is > >hundreds of thousands of times larger than the earth! And there are other > >stars of our nakshatra/rashichakra that are supposed to affect me > >individually as per the Dasha-Bhukti that is running in my horoscope! > >However, this fantastic statement has no leg to stand upon since the nearest > >star of that Rashichakra is Shravana! And do you know its distance from me? > >It is seventeen light years! And it is several times larger than our sun! > >In other words, if that star wants i.e. Shravana wants to " affect " me > >individually, it will take it at least seventeen years to do so even if that > > " effect " travels at the speed of light! And by then, my Rahu or Shani or > >whatever Dasha it may be must have been over! Then how can such a star which > >is trillions of times larger than me send its rays in a concentrated form > >just to haunt me at a particular point of time! Can you imagine what type > >of laughing stocks we are making of ourselves by believing in such hocus > >pocus! > >Similarly, the next nearest star of our Rashichakra is Swati ! It is away > >by 26 light years from me > > > >and is again several times larger than our sun!! > > > >It thus defies imagination as to how we can call astrology a science or how > >it can be said that the " Stars affect us " . > > > > > > > >Patri Melapak (Horoscope Matching) is not warranted by shastras nor > >astrology books: > > > > Now coming to the fad called Patri Melapak i.e. horoscope matching! This > >fad is the rage of the day! You will be surprised to know that none of our > >shastras, whether the Manusmriti or the Ramayana or the Mahabharata, leave > >alone the Vedas, have anything to do with Patri Melapak even by mistake! We > >do not find any instances that any Vedic Rishi was addicted to such a fad, > >since may be then most of them would still have been looking for a " suitable > >Patri " for melapak! Not to speak of Dharma shastras, there is no mention of > >this type of a malady in any of the astrology books like the so called > >Parashari, or Mansagari or Phala Deepika or Jataka Parijata or any other > >work! It appears to be a creation of the jyotishis of over the last one > >hundred years or so. Aleberuni, who visited India in 1030 AD and recorded > >quite faithfully all his experiences about Jyotisha and other things in > >India also has not mentioned anything of any " Melapak " in his work! > > > > " All India Calendar Reform Committee " : > > > >Summing up, as we have just seen, not only are we subjected to non-existent > >fear psychosis like Kalasarpa Dosha and Patri Melapak etc. but we are > >compelled to celebrate all our festivals on worng days. There are quite > >a few people who agree with my point of view that these days we are > >celebrating Pitra Amavasya on the day of Dipavali and marriages during > >Pitra-Paksha! Similarly, we never celebrate Makar Sankranti on correct days > >i.e. December 21/22 but we celebrate it on January 14. We also celebrate > >Vaishakhi on April 14 instead of the day of Spring Equinox i.e., March 21 or > >so. This has been all because of the so called " Vedic astrology " > > > >To put our festivals back on the right track, I made quite a few > >representations to the Hon'ble President of India, the Prime Minister of > >India, various ministries besides the Positional Astronomy Centre at > >Calcutta, who publish our Rashtriya Panchanga. I also made similar > >representations to all the reverred Shankaracharyas of all the six peethas, > >besides other saints and Mahatmas, but sorry to say, there has been > >absolutely no response from any quarter! > > > >We have now formed an " All India Calendar Reform Committee " and are > >enrolling members for the same. Those interested can log on to > >HinduCalendar for entering into discussions > >regarding the same. You can also get a list of correct dates of festivals > >for 2006 and 2007 from that forum. As an alternative, you can get in touch > >with me whenever you want to for any further clarifications. > > > >Thank you very much for listening to this " exhortation " against " Vedic > >astrology " and the efforts I am making to streamline our calendars. > >Om tat sat brahmarpanam astu > > > >Avtar Krishen Kaul > > > >President > > > >All India Calendar Reform Committee > > > >H. No. 5, MIG, 00-A, > > > >Sector-2, Avantika, Rohini, Delhi-110085. > > > >Email:jyotirved; a_krishen; Tel. 011-27516483 > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 Sir, I do not know very mcuh about astrology. I am not a Vedic scholar also. I saw this article of Shri jyotirved in several forums but no in this forum, I therefore sent it here. In my another post from another forum, even Shri K N Rao has admitted that there is no astrology in the Vedas. I am also confused that if there are no Mesha etc. rashis in the Vedas, how can we say that there is predictive astrology there. Nobody has proved that there are Rashis in the Vedas. Therefore, I do not know whether we can call predictive asrology Vedc-astrology at all. Thank you, sir, jyotishis2001 vedic astrology , " SID KR. " <ganeshsai76 wrote: > > This is a very good article but erroneous....THOSE WHO HAVE EITHER BEEN A VICTIM OF FRAUD ASTROLOGERS........or those who did not have in their stars to study/predict through astrology....may start believing in the RATIONAL ???? PART of the article. > > Please explain rationally why even thogh I work as hard as anyone .......I do not become the owner of crores...while a child easily becomes the inheritor of billions just because he was born to rich parents. > > Please dont answer ---that life is a game of Heads and tails and that chance determines our life > > --- On Wed, 7/16/08, jyotishi2001 <jyotishi2001 wrote: > > jyotishi2001 <jyotishi2001 > [vedic astrology] Fwd: " Vedic astrology " -- the greatest fraud on the Vedas! > vedic astrology > Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 7:56 AM > , " jyotirved " <jyotirved@ ..> > wrote: > > Respected Sirs, > > " Vedic astrology " - the greatest fraud on the Vedas > > Namaskar! > > The following speech was delivered in September 2006 at Rotary Club, > West > Delhi. The same talk appeared later as an article in the souvenir of the > seminar on " Vedic astronomy & Cosmology " -December 2006. I am sure you > will > find it interesting. > > Regards, > > A K Kaul > > Om tat sat brahmarpanamastu! > > Om Brahmanandam Parama sukhadam kevalam gyan moortim, dwandvateetam > gagana > sadrisham tat-tvam asyadi lakshyam ekam > nityam vimalam achalamsarva dhee sakshi bhootam, bhavateetam triguna > rahitam > shree gurum tam namami > > " Vedic Astrology " - the greatest fraud on the Vedas! > > Dear friends. Good evening to everybody! > > I feel highly honoured to have been invited by Shri Ajay Bhasin for > sharing > my views about astrology and related topics with respected personalities > assembled here. As most of us already know, we call these predictive > gimmicks as " Vedic astrology " these days. > > When I was asked by Shri Bhasin about the heading of my talk, I had > thought > of making it as " Vedic Astrology - the greatest fraud on the Vedas " . On > second thoughts, fearing that it would be too explosive a heading, I > made it > a sugar coated bitter pill by changing it to " Do we celebrate our > festivals > on correct days? " . > > Well, actually, both i.e., the fraud known as " Vedic astrology " and " our > celebrating all our festivals on wrong days " are inter-related. > > Let me start with " Vedic astrology " - as to why I call it a fraud! > > There is hardly anyone in India, who does not want to know as to when > his > " sade-sati " will start or end or as to which Dasha-antardasha he is > running > and when that will end etc. etc. even if he does not know ABC of > jyotisha. > I have gone through all those pangs myself and made a thorough study of > all > the astrological works besides a lot of astronomical books! I studied > Western system of astrology also and had become a sort of famous > astrologer, > though my predictions were as correct as anybody else's i.e. hardly 50%. > However, this is a secret that no " jyotishi " shares with anybody -- that > his/her predictions are hardly more correct than fifty per cent, > whatever > logic or Ayanamsha he/she may use! When I analyzed the reasons for such > a > dismal rate of success, the conclusions were startling! And I am > keeping > those very conclusions before you! > > Before proceeding further, I must, however, say something about myself > since > you are well within your rights to ask me as to what " qualifications " I > have > to demolish astrology that is being practised over the last several > centuries, nay even millennia! > > My credentials Though I am not laying any claims to being a scholar, > however, I have actually studied all the four Vedas in original > " archaic " > Sanskrit with their different " Bhashyas " , besides the various Brahmanas > like Shatapatha, Aitreya, Tatiriya etc. etc. I have studied, (in > original > Sanskrit!) about two hundred all the important Upanishads as well! I > have > also gone through both the epics viz. the Valmiki Ramayana and the > Mahabharata --- in Sanskrit and from cover to cover, besides Adhyatma > Ramayana, Ramacharitamanasa etc. etc.! There is hardly any Purana > whether > the Bhagavata, Shivapurana, Vishnu, Narada, Devi, Varaha, Matsya and > Vishnudharmotara etc. etc. that I have not gone through in original > Sanskrit. I have also studied exhaustively all the ancient astronomical > works like the Vedanga Jyotisha, Panchasidhantika, Surya Sidhanta, Arya > Bhati, Sidhanta Shiromani etc. etc. To crown it all, I was not a born > renegade against the established traditions. On the other hand, I was > initially " hypnotized " by " Vedic astrology " and " panchangas " myself and > there is hardly any " text-book " of astrology either in Sanskrit or Urdu > or > English or Hindi that I have not studied with due reverence, as if I was > studying the Vedas! > > Having established my credentials thus, I CAN DECLARE IT WITHOUT ANY > HESITATION AND WITH ALL THE EMPHASIS AT MY COMMAND, THAT THERE IS > ABSOLUTELY NO PREDICTIVE ASTROLOGY IN ANY OF THE VEDAS, UPANISHADAS OR > BRAHMANAS. There are, however, some references to some odd types of > predictions in some of the Puranas and the epics and therefore calling > it as > really a post-Vedic astrology is more correct. There is a rider there > also, > and that is that according to these scriptures, Makara Sankranti i.e. > Pongal > is nothing but a synonym of Uttarayana (the shortest day of the year) > i.e. > Winter Solstice and as everybody knows, it can take place these days > only on > or around December 21 every year. Thus the Uttarayana-cum- Makar > Sankranti > that we are celebrating now-a-days on January 14 is absolutely wrong and > does not have any authority from any shastra or even modern astronomy. > Similarly, the Vaishakhi that is being celebrated on April 14 or so also > is > wrong since Mesha Sankranti is nothing but Vishuva (Vernal Equinox) or > Vasant Sampat and it cannot take place on any day other than March > 21/22, > when the day and night are equal. Actually these Makara etc. sankrantis > were > known as Tapah etc. months during the Vedic period as there are no > rashis in > the Vedas but just six seasons and Madhu, Madhava etc. twelve months. > As > such, we are celebrating all our fasts, fairs and muhurtas on wrong days > -- > thanks to " Vedic astrologers " and their " Vedic astrology " . > > The first and foremost thing I learnt from our shastras is that no > system > of predictions has any sanction either from the Vedas or even Puranas > least of all our dharmashastras etc. since all our shastras admonish us > from > consulting " nakshatra jeevis " so much so that the Manusmriti calls these > nakshatrasoochis as outcastes and not fit to sit in any sabha of learned > people. > > Those who can foresee our future do not reveal it to us beforehand: > > All the Ramayanas, whether Valmiki or Adhyatma or Ramacharitamanasa etc. > etc. say that before deciding about the coronation of Bhagwan Rama, > Dashratha wanted his guru Vasishtha to confirm the suitable muhurta for > that > function. It was on the advice of Vasishtha Muni that Dasharatha > decided > to anoint Rama as the Yuvraja the very next day, as it was " Tishya " > i.e. > Pushya nakshata then. From this anecdote, it is clear that either > Vasishtha > Muni did not know as to what was going to happen to Dasharatha by > declaring > Bhagwan Rama as a crown-prince or Vasishtha kept quiet deliberately > since he > did not want to interfere in the divine dispensation! > > Obviously, being the son of Brahmaji and a highly exalted yogi as well > as a > jnyani, Vasishtha-muni could peep into past as well as future. It means > that even if some exalted souls can foresee as to what is going to > happen, > they do not reveal our " bhavishya " before hand, unlike some of the > astrologers of today, who masquerade as " Parasharas " and " Vamadevas " to > tell > us even our past and future janmas just by glancing at our birth- charts, > even if those charts are wrong! > > The Gita is said to be the gist of all our shastras. When Arjuna > expressed > his doubt by saying naitadvidmah katarnno gareeyo, yadva jayema yadi va > no > jayeyuh " I do not know what is good for me nor do I know whether we will > win > or the Kauravas will win the war " , Bhagwan Krishna neither asked him to > consult some soothsayer nor did He tell him to wear some ruby! He just > advised Arjuna " hato va prapsyasi swargam jitva va bokshyase maheem " > i.e. > " You must fight. If you get killed in the war, you will go to the > heavens > and if you win it you will be the lord of the whole world " . > > Thus all it boils down to is the fact that those who know (including > Lord > Krishna Himself!) as to what is going to happen and when do not divulge > such > " secrets " before hand to us. > > Remedial measures are a farce: Almost all the jyotishis suggest one or > the > other remedial measure to their clients, and mostly these are gems like > diamond or ruby or sapphire etc. etc. What is surprising is that we > have > become so obsessed with Jyotish that we forget the entire itihasa of our > past! > > (i) If these gems are that efficacious, why was then Dasharatha not > suggested some " ruby " or " coral " to ward off the evil Dasha that was > going > to kill him when Rama would leave for the forests? Well, because our > Rishis > did not believe in such gimmicks at all! > > (ii) Bhagwan Krishna was born in a prison --- I wonder why He could > not > use some " sapphire " to be born in a palace! > > (iii) Vasudeva and Devaki---the parents of Bhagwan Krishna--- were in > chains when He was born! It is said that Lord Krishna was a complete - > 16 > kala sampoorna --- divine incarnation of Vishnu and was thus really > Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient! But in spite of His > Omniscience, > Omnipotence and Omnipresence, Lord Krishna could not relieve the > miseries of > his parents, Vasudeva and Devaki, who had to remain in chains till > Krishna > killed Kansa! > > What does it demonstrate? Just the fact that if the Omniscient, > Omnipresent > and Omnipotent Krishna could not relieve the miseries of His own father > or > mother before the appointed time, how can a ruby or a sapphire---or some > Mangala or Shani yagya--- remove all our miseries or fulfil all our > ambitions? Obviously, we are being taken for a ride by such Jyotishis! > > iv) Then not in the distant past, Smti Indira Gandhi would run after > astrologers for knowing her future. She wore a rare and original > ekamukhi > rudraksha, which only either the Maharaja of Nepal had or she was > wearing! > It is said that some top-notch jyotishis had suggested that rudraksha to > her! Ironically, both the King of Nepal as well Mrs. Indira Gandhi were > assassinated " by the people " they " had trusted " ---- ekamukhi rudraksha > not > withstanding! What does it prove? That we should not be hoodwinked by > soothsayers! > > v) Then again a well known Tantrik of yore---highly respected by the > then > PM--- is out on bail, not by dint of his " Tantra-Kriya " but because of > some > legal loopholes in FERA! > Similarly, Dhirendra Brahmachari, another high profile " Tantrik " , met > with > an accident in the plane he was flying himself! If he could not see his > own > death looming large how could he forewarn others! > > What does that prove? Obviously, it warns us against relying on any > soothsayers, especially if they call themselves " Vedic Jyotishis " since > they > are taking us for a ride literally. > > Kalasarpa Dosha -- a non-existent fear psychosis: These days we hear a > lot > about Kalasarpa Dosha! It is said to be present in any horoscope if all > the > planets are between Rahu and Ketu! My God! What a humbug! Rahu and > Ketu > are actually nodes of the Moon! That means they are just mathematical > points without any dimensions ---therefore without any physical > existence > whatsoever! So according to " Vedic astrologers " even such > " non-existent " > phenomena can make our lives miserable for which we must do some upay! > Do > you need any other proofs for the jugglery that these cheats are > indulging > in? > > THE ONLY EFFECTIVE REMEDY, or UPAY, THEREFORE, IS THAT WE MUST REMEMBER > HIM, > THE ALMIGHTY, EVERY MOMENT OF OUR LIVES AND LEAVE EVERY THING TO HIS > DIVINE > WILL!. > > Fake Brighu Samhitas and Parasharis: > > We find a Brighu Samhita or a nadi Jyotishi or Aruna Samhita etc. in > every > Muhalla these days! However, there is no mention in any of the Puranas > or > shastras that any Rishi like Vasishtha or Garga or Brighu etc. have ever > written any books on predictive astrology. The Vishnu Purana by > Parashara > is full of astronomical references ---and that also sayana i.e. the > seasonal year when Mesha sankranti is another name of Spring Equinox and > so > on, but we do not find any mention of any Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra > there! Obviously, it is the worst concoction that can ever be had, and > may > be that is why such a Parashari is the bible of " Vedic astrologers " > > India has gone downhill because of astrology and astrologers: In India, > we > have started going downhill ever since our rulers started running after > Jyotishis. In ancient days, during the time of the Mahabharata, it was > a > dharma yudha that we had to fight against our own Duryodhanas but ever > since > the advent of astrology almost simultaneously with the invasion of > Alexander > the Great, and then the " Yavana Jatakam " of Sphujidwaja and the Surya > Sidhanta of Maya the Yavana (mlechha!), we had to fight outsiders! The > more the foreigners invaded us the more our rulers, instead of making a > united effort against the invaders, started consulting soothsayers whom > they > called Rajajyotishis! > > Varahamihira the worst culprit: > > The maximum credit for creating such a fear psychosis of omens and > ghosts > and ghouls and storms and even clouds goes to Varahamihira of 5th > century > AD through his Brihat Samita and Brihat Jatakam and Panchasidhantika! > Before venturing into the battlefield, our monarchs would ask their > soothsayers to prepare " narpati jaya charya " and consult Brihat Samhita > etc. > to see whether the " ketuchara " was favourable at that time or not! No > wonder with such a preliminary and hopeless knowledge of astronomical > facts, > we were being pushed back into dark ages by Varahamihira and his > followers! > > Our historical records are witness to the fact that we were vanquished > in > every battle, whether it was with Alexander the Great or Muhamud of > Gazni or > Chengiz Khan or Nadir Shah or the Moguls or finally the East India > Company, > thanks to the dependence of our monarchs on soothsayers (Rajajyotishis, > huh!) instead of the principles of war strategy and statecraft as > adumbrated > by the Vedas, the Manu and even Chanakya, who chided kings for > consulting > soothsayers! > > BJP the latest example: > > The fate of the BJP has not been any better than that of our earlier > monarchs by depending more on their " Vedic Jyotishis " who were > responsible > for getting " Vedic Jyotisha (sic!) " prescribed in Indian Universities! > It > is that very move that boomeranged on the party and even the " Minister > of > astrology " did not win his own parliamentary seat from Allahabad, let > alone > being the Union Minister again. Do you need any other proofs of the fact > that these " Vedic Jyotishis " will make you lose your seat of power well > before the appointed day just by making you advance your elections? > > If we continue to follow the trend of our " monarchs " of having blind > faith > in our soothsayers, then sooner than later we will become Babylon of > yesteryears, which is known as Iraq today! > > Kashmiri Pandits were the worst affected by their blind faith in > Jyotishis: > > Another reason for my revolt against the so called " Vedic astrology " is > that as a Kashmiri Pandit, I have more to blame panchanga makers and > soothsayers and their predictive gimmicks than anything or anybody else > since they never forewarned us about any calamities that were going to > befall us! On the other hand, just to prove their astrological > gimmicks, > they just made ---and are still making --- us celebrate all our > festivals, > including Mahashivaratri, Vasanti Navratras, Ramanavami, Janmashtami and > Sharadiya navratras etc. on wrong days. It is these very jyotishis, whom > we > had treated as our friends, philosophers and guides, who are responsible > for > our downfall as Kahsmiri Pandits, since they proved neither our friends, > nor > philosophers least of all our guides! These Panchanga makers/jyotishis > were > the first to flee from Kashmir in 1990--- like the king Hari Singh at > the > time of Pakistani raid in 1948--- since they had already made their > alternate homes in safer places like Jammu and Delhi. Those Jyotishis > just proved to be Shylocks, who were only interested in their Pound of > flesh > by way of Dakshinas for janmapatris and matching of horoscopes -- all > cheating and nothing else! > > These soothsayers have such a hypnotic grip on us that initially even I > was > brain washed to believe that the Vedas had nothing else to do excepting > teaching us predictive astrology! I was so convinced that it appeared > that > even the principle of Secondary Progressions must have been exported > from > India to Western countries as the principle of " A day equals a year " was > mentioned in our Vedas! But thank God, I woke up to the situation and > could > see through their tricks. > > There are no Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis in the Vedas: > > Leave alone predictive gimmicks, actually there are neither rashis like > Mesha, Vrisha etc. nor planets like Mangal, Shani etc. in the Vedas, > Upanishads, Brahmanas etc. Similarly, the Vedanga Jyotisha, the first > indigenous astronomical work of 14th century BCE, just tells us only as > to > how to calculate tithi, nakshatra and Uttarayana-cum- Tapah-cum Magha > etc. > months. It does not list any Mesha etc. rashis nor any planets like > Mangal, > Budha etc. Same is the case with Yajur Jyotisha of about 11th century > BCE > and later Atharva Jyotisha of about 5th century BCE, which does not have > any > Rashis though it talks of planets. As such, it is really a fraud on the > Vedas being played by some charlatans to call any predictive gimmicks as > Vedic astrology and hail themselves as " Vedic Jyotishis " . It is a crime > under " The Consumer Protection Act " as it is a misrepresentation of > facts to > a client and is thus a deficiency in service. > > Our predictions in the past also could never have been correct: > > It is said that over the past about 2000 years, our ancestors like > Varahamihira or his son Prithuyashas etc., could make marvellously > correct > predictions. THAT IS NOTHING BUT HOGWASH! Let us see how: prior to the > advent of scientific astronomy into India, i.e. about a couple of > centuries > back, panchangas were based on astronomical works like the Surya > Sidhanta or > Aryabhati or Sidhanta Shirmoani etc. etc. I have prepared a software > called > " Mahesh " . It calculates, apart from the actual tithi, nakshatra, yoga, > karna etc., the mean longitudes of all the planets from 10000 BCE to > 12030 > AD i.e. for more than 22,000 years as per the Surya Sidhanta, Aryabhati > or > Sidhanta Shiromani etc. besides comparing them with the longitudes as > per > modern astronomy. Anybody can download it freely from my discussion > forum > > http://groups. / group/HinduCalen dar > > Unfortunately for these jyotishis, we find that the very fundamental > arguments of these sidahntas like the Surya Sidhanta, the Aryabhati, the > Sidhanta Shiromani etc. etc. are absolutely wrong! . > > That naturally means that any panchanga based on them would also be > wrong, > with the result that any horoscope prepared on the basis of those > panchangas > could never be correct. Thus it is impossible for any astrological > predictions to have been correct in the past! As such, it is all like > the > famous couplet of Ghalib " yoon to hai hamko janat ki haqeeqat maloom > lekin; dil ke bahlane ko Ghalib yeh khayal achha hai " > > Astrology cannot be a science Predictive astrology is supposed to be a > " science " ! What a preposterous statement! When the data on which > predictions were based or are based these days are not correct, how can > the > results be correct and how can we call it a science at all? > > Stars do not affect us: > > It is said that stars affect us! It appears either these astrologers > have > gone honkers themselves or they suppose that the whole world has really > gone > mad! Let us see how: > I am a puny human being on this small planet called earth. The sun is > hundreds of thousands of times larger than the earth! And there are > other > stars of our nakshatra/rashichak ra that are supposed to affect me > individually as per the Dasha-Bhukti that is running in my horoscope! > However, this fantastic statement has no leg to stand upon since the > nearest > star of that Rashichakra is Shravana! And do you know its distance from > me? > It is seventeen light years! And it is several times larger than our > sun! > In other words, if that star wants i.e. Shravana wants to " affect " me > individually, it will take it at least seventeen years to do so even if > that > " effect " travels at the speed of light! And by then, my Rahu or Shani > or > whatever Dasha it may be must have been over! Then how can such a star > which > is trillions of times larger than me send its rays in a concentrated > form > just to haunt me at a particular point of time! Can you imagine what > type > of laughing stocks we are making of ourselves by believing in such > hocus > pocus! > Similarly, the next nearest star of our Rashichakra is Swati ! It is > away > by 26 light years from me > > and is again several times larger than our sun!! > > It thus defies imagination as to how we can call astrology a science or > how > it can be said that the " Stars affect us " . > > Patri Melapak (Horoscope Matching) is not warranted by shastras nor > astrology books: > > Now coming to the fad called Patri Melapak i.e. horoscope matching! > This > fad is the rage of the day! You will be surprised to know that none of > our > shastras, whether the Manusmriti or the Ramayana or the Mahabharata, > leave > alone the Vedas, have anything to do with Patri Melapak even by mistake! > We > do not find any instances that any Vedic Rishi was addicted to such a > fad, > since may be then most of them would still have been looking for a > " suitable > Patri " for melapak! Not to speak of Dharma shastras, there is no mention > of > this type of a malady in any of the astrology books like the so called > Parashari, or Mansagari or Phala Deepika or Jataka Parijata or any other > work! It appears to be a creation of the jyotishis of over the last > one > hundred years or so. Aleberuni, who visited India in 1030 AD and > recorded > quite faithfully all his experiences about Jyotisha and other things in > India also has not mentioned anything of any " Melapak " in his work! > > " All India Calendar Reform Committee " : > > Summing up, as we have just seen, not only are we subjected to > non-existent > fear psychosis like Kalasarpa Dosha and Patri Melapak etc. but we are > compelled to celebrate all our festivals on worng days. There are > quite > a few people who agree with my point of view that these days we are > celebrating Pitra Amavasya on the day of Dipavali and marriages during > Pitra-Paksha! Similarly, we never celebrate Makar Sankranti on correct > days > i.e. December 21/22 but we celebrate it on January 14. We also > celebrate > Vaishakhi on April 14 instead of the day of Spring Equinox i.e., March > 21 or > so. This has been all because of the so called " Vedic astrology " > > To put our festivals back on the right track, I made quite a few > representations to the Hon'ble President of India, the Prime Minister of > India, various ministries besides the Positional Astronomy Centre at > Calcutta, who publish our Rashtriya Panchanga. I also made similar > representations to all the reverred Shankaracharyas of all the six > peethas, > besides other saints and Mahatmas, but sorry to say, there has been > absolutely no response from any quarter! > > We have now formed an " All India Calendar Reform Committee " and are > enrolling members for the same. Those interested can log on to > http://groups. / group/HinduCalen dar for entering into > discussions > regarding the same. You can also get a list of correct dates of > festivals > for 2006 and 2007 from that forum. As an alternative, you can get in > touch > with me whenever you want to for any further clarifications. > > Thank you very much for listening to this " exhortation " against " Vedic > astrology " and the efforts I am making to streamline our calendars. > Om tat sat brahmarpanam astu > > Avtar Krishen Kaul > > President > > All India Calendar Reform Committee > > H. No. 5, MIG, 00-A, > > Sector-2, Avantika, Rohini, Delhi-110085. > > Email:jyotirved@ ...; a_krishen@ .; Tel. 011-27516483 > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 vedic astrology , " jyotishi2001 " <jyotishi2001 wrote: Sir, I do not know very mcuh about astrology. I am not a Vedic scholar also. I saw this article of Shri jyotirved in several forums but no in this forum, I therefore sent it here. In my another post from another forum, even Shri K N Rao has admitted that there is no astrology in the Vedas. I am also confused that if there are no Mesha etc. rashis in the Vedas, how can we say that there is predictive astrology there. Nobody has proved that there are Rashis in the Vedas. Therefore, I do not know whether we can call predictive asrology Vedc-astrology at all. Thank you, sir, jyotishis2001 vedic astrology , " SID KR. " <ganeshsai76@> wrote: > > This is a very good article but erroneous....THOSE WHO HAVE EITHER BEEN A VICTIM OF FRAUD ASTROLOGERS........or those who did not have in their stars to study/predict through astrology....may start believing in the RATIONAL ???? PART of the article. > > Please explain rationally why even thogh I work as hard as anyone .......I do not become the owner of crores...while a child easily becomes the inheritor of billions just because he was born to rich parents. > > Please dont answer ---that life is a game of Heads and tails and that chance determines our life > > --- On Wed, 7/16/08, jyotishi2001 <jyotishi2001@> wrote: > > jyotishi2001 <jyotishi2001@> > [vedic astrology] Fwd: " Vedic astrology " -- the greatest fraud on the Vedas! > vedic astrology > Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 7:56 AM > , " jyotirved " <jyotirved@ ..> > wrote: > > Respected Sirs, > > " Vedic astrology " - the greatest fraud on the Vedas > > Namaskar! > > The following speech was delivered in September 2006 at Rotary Club, > West > Delhi. The same talk appeared later as an article in the souvenir of the > seminar on " Vedic astronomy & Cosmology " -December 2006. I am sure you > will > find it interesting. > > Regards, > > A K Kaul > > Om tat sat brahmarpanamastu! > > Om Brahmanandam Parama sukhadam kevalam gyan moortim, dwandvateetam > gagana > sadrisham tat-tvam asyadi lakshyam ekam > nityam vimalam achalamsarva dhee sakshi bhootam, bhavateetam triguna > rahitam > shree gurum tam namami > > " Vedic Astrology " - the greatest fraud on the Vedas! > > Dear friends. Good evening to everybody! > > I feel highly honoured to have been invited by Shri Ajay Bhasin for > sharing > my views about astrology and related topics with respected personalities > assembled here. As most of us already know, we call these predictive > gimmicks as " Vedic astrology " these days. > > When I was asked by Shri Bhasin about the heading of my talk, I had > thought > of making it as " Vedic Astrology - the greatest fraud on the Vedas " . On > second thoughts, fearing that it would be too explosive a heading, I > made it > a sugar coated bitter pill by changing it to " Do we celebrate our > festivals > on correct days? " . > > Well, actually, both i.e., the fraud known as " Vedic astrology " and " our > celebrating all our festivals on wrong days " are inter-related. > > Let me start with " Vedic astrology " - as to why I call it a fraud! > > There is hardly anyone in India, who does not want to know as to when > his > " sade-sati " will start or end or as to which Dasha-antardasha he is > running > and when that will end etc. etc. even if he does not know ABC of > jyotisha. > I have gone through all those pangs myself and made a thorough study of > all > the astrological works besides a lot of astronomical books! I studied > Western system of astrology also and had become a sort of famous > astrologer, > though my predictions were as correct as anybody else's i.e. hardly 50%. > However, this is a secret that no " jyotishi " shares with anybody -- that > his/her predictions are hardly more correct than fifty per cent, > whatever > logic or Ayanamsha he/she may use! When I analyzed the reasons for such > a > dismal rate of success, the conclusions were startling! And I am > keeping > those very conclusions before you! > > Before proceeding further, I must, however, say something about myself > since > you are well within your rights to ask me as to what " qualifications " I > have > to demolish astrology that is being practised over the last several > centuries, nay even millennia! > > My credentials Though I am not laying any claims to being a scholar, > however, I have actually studied all the four Vedas in original > " archaic " > Sanskrit with their different " Bhashyas " , besides the various Brahmanas > like Shatapatha, Aitreya, Tatiriya etc. etc. I have studied, (in > original > Sanskrit!) about two hundred all the important Upanishads as well! I > have > also gone through both the epics viz. the Valmiki Ramayana and the > Mahabharata --- in Sanskrit and from cover to cover, besides Adhyatma > Ramayana, Ramacharitamanasa etc. etc.! There is hardly any Purana > whether > the Bhagavata, Shivapurana, Vishnu, Narada, Devi, Varaha, Matsya and > Vishnudharmotara etc. etc. that I have not gone through in original > Sanskrit. I have also studied exhaustively all the ancient astronomical > works like the Vedanga Jyotisha, Panchasidhantika, Surya Sidhanta, Arya > Bhati, Sidhanta Shiromani etc. etc. To crown it all, I was not a born > renegade against the established traditions. On the other hand, I was > initially " hypnotized " by " Vedic astrology " and " panchangas " myself and > there is hardly any " text-book " of astrology either in Sanskrit or Urdu > or > English or Hindi that I have not studied with due reverence, as if I was > studying the Vedas! > > Having established my credentials thus, I CAN DECLARE IT WITHOUT ANY > HESITATION AND WITH ALL THE EMPHASIS AT MY COMMAND, THAT THERE IS > ABSOLUTELY NO PREDICTIVE ASTROLOGY IN ANY OF THE VEDAS, UPANISHADAS OR > BRAHMANAS. There are, however, some references to some odd types of > predictions in some of the Puranas and the epics and therefore calling > it as > really a post-Vedic astrology is more correct. There is a rider there > also, > and that is that according to these scriptures, Makara Sankranti i.e. > Pongal > is nothing but a synonym of Uttarayana (the shortest day of the year) > i.e. > Winter Solstice and as everybody knows, it can take place these days > only on > or around December 21 every year. Thus the Uttarayana-cum- Makar > Sankranti > that we are celebrating now-a-days on January 14 is absolutely wrong and > does not have any authority from any shastra or even modern astronomy. > Similarly, the Vaishakhi that is being celebrated on April 14 or so also > is > wrong since Mesha Sankranti is nothing but Vishuva (Vernal Equinox) or > Vasant Sampat and it cannot take place on any day other than March > 21/22, > when the day and night are equal. Actually these Makara etc. sankrantis > were > known as Tapah etc. months during the Vedic period as there are no > rashis in > the Vedas but just six seasons and Madhu, Madhava etc. twelve months. > As > such, we are celebrating all our fasts, fairs and muhurtas on wrong days > -- > thanks to " Vedic astrologers " and their " Vedic astrology " . > > The first and foremost thing I learnt from our shastras is that no > system > of predictions has any sanction either from the Vedas or even Puranas > least of all our dharmashastras etc. since all our shastras admonish us > from > consulting " nakshatra jeevis " so much so that the Manusmriti calls these > nakshatrasoochis as outcastes and not fit to sit in any sabha of learned > people. > > Those who can foresee our future do not reveal it to us beforehand: > > All the Ramayanas, whether Valmiki or Adhyatma or Ramacharitamanasa etc. > etc. say that before deciding about the coronation of Bhagwan Rama, > Dashratha wanted his guru Vasishtha to confirm the suitable muhurta for > that > function. It was on the advice of Vasishtha Muni that Dasharatha > decided > to anoint Rama as the Yuvraja the very next day, as it was " Tishya " > i.e. > Pushya nakshata then. From this anecdote, it is clear that either > Vasishtha > Muni did not know as to what was going to happen to Dasharatha by > declaring > Bhagwan Rama as a crown-prince or Vasishtha kept quiet deliberately > since he > did not want to interfere in the divine dispensation! > > Obviously, being the son of Brahmaji and a highly exalted yogi as well > as a > jnyani, Vasishtha-muni could peep into past as well as future. It means > that even if some exalted souls can foresee as to what is going to > happen, > they do not reveal our " bhavishya " before hand, unlike some of the > astrologers of today, who masquerade as " Parasharas " and " Vamadevas " to > tell > us even our past and future janmas just by glancing at our birth- charts, > even if those charts are wrong! > > The Gita is said to be the gist of all our shastras. When Arjuna > expressed > his doubt by saying naitadvidmah katarnno gareeyo, yadva jayema yadi va > no > jayeyuh " I do not know what is good for me nor do I know whether we will > win > or the Kauravas will win the war " , Bhagwan Krishna neither asked him to > consult some soothsayer nor did He tell him to wear some ruby! He just > advised Arjuna " hato va prapsyasi swargam jitva va bokshyase maheem " > i.e. > " You must fight. If you get killed in the war, you will go to the > heavens > and if you win it you will be the lord of the whole world " . > > Thus all it boils down to is the fact that those who know (including > Lord > Krishna Himself!) as to what is going to happen and when do not divulge > such > " secrets " before hand to us. > > Remedial measures are a farce: Almost all the jyotishis suggest one or > the > other remedial measure to their clients, and mostly these are gems like > diamond or ruby or sapphire etc. etc. What is surprising is that we > have > become so obsessed with Jyotish that we forget the entire itihasa of our > past! > > (i) If these gems are that efficacious, why was then Dasharatha not > suggested some " ruby " or " coral " to ward off the evil Dasha that was > going > to kill him when Rama would leave for the forests? Well, because our > Rishis > did not believe in such gimmicks at all! > > (ii) Bhagwan Krishna was born in a prison --- I wonder why He could > not > use some " sapphire " to be born in a palace! > > (iii) Vasudeva and Devaki---the parents of Bhagwan Krishna--- were in > chains when He was born! It is said that Lord Krishna was a complete - > 16 > kala sampoorna --- divine incarnation of Vishnu and was thus really > Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient! But in spite of His > Omniscience, > Omnipotence and Omnipresence, Lord Krishna could not relieve the > miseries of > his parents, Vasudeva and Devaki, who had to remain in chains till > Krishna > killed Kansa! > > What does it demonstrate? Just the fact that if the Omniscient, > Omnipresent > and Omnipotent Krishna could not relieve the miseries of His own father > or > mother before the appointed time, how can a ruby or a sapphire---or some > Mangala or Shani yagya--- remove all our miseries or fulfil all our > ambitions? Obviously, we are being taken for a ride by such Jyotishis! > > iv) Then not in the distant past, Smti Indira Gandhi would run after > astrologers for knowing her future. She wore a rare and original > ekamukhi > rudraksha, which only either the Maharaja of Nepal had or she was > wearing! > It is said that some top-notch jyotishis had suggested that rudraksha to > her! Ironically, both the King of Nepal as well Mrs. Indira Gandhi were > assassinated " by the people " they " had trusted " ---- ekamukhi rudraksha > not > withstanding! What does it prove? That we should not be hoodwinked by > soothsayers! > > v) Then again a well known Tantrik of yore---highly respected by the > then > PM--- is out on bail, not by dint of his " Tantra-Kriya " but because of > some > legal loopholes in FERA! > Similarly, Dhirendra Brahmachari, another high profile " Tantrik " , met > with > an accident in the plane he was flying himself! If he could not see his > own > death looming large how could he forewarn others! > > What does that prove? Obviously, it warns us against relying on any > soothsayers, especially if they call themselves " Vedic Jyotishis " since > they > are taking us for a ride literally. > > Kalasarpa Dosha -- a non-existent fear psychosis: These days we hear a > lot > about Kalasarpa Dosha! It is said to be present in any horoscope if all > the > planets are between Rahu and Ketu! My God! What a humbug! Rahu and > Ketu > are actually nodes of the Moon! That means they are just mathematical > points without any dimensions ---therefore without any physical > existence > whatsoever! So according to " Vedic astrologers " even such > " non-existent " > phenomena can make our lives miserable for which we must do some upay! > Do > you need any other proofs for the jugglery that these cheats are > indulging > in? > > THE ONLY EFFECTIVE REMEDY, or UPAY, THEREFORE, IS THAT WE MUST REMEMBER > HIM, > THE ALMIGHTY, EVERY MOMENT OF OUR LIVES AND LEAVE EVERY THING TO HIS > DIVINE > WILL!. > > Fake Brighu Samhitas and Parasharis: > > We find a Brighu Samhita or a nadi Jyotishi or Aruna Samhita etc. in > every > Muhalla these days! However, there is no mention in any of the Puranas > or > shastras that any Rishi like Vasishtha or Garga or Brighu etc. have ever > written any books on predictive astrology. The Vishnu Purana by > Parashara > is full of astronomical references ---and that also sayana i.e. the > seasonal year when Mesha sankranti is another name of Spring Equinox and > so > on, but we do not find any mention of any Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra > there! Obviously, it is the worst concoction that can ever be had, and > may > be that is why such a Parashari is the bible of " Vedic astrologers " > > India has gone downhill because of astrology and astrologers: In India, > we > have started going downhill ever since our rulers started running after > Jyotishis. In ancient days, during the time of the Mahabharata, it was > a > dharma yudha that we had to fight against our own Duryodhanas but ever > since > the advent of astrology almost simultaneously with the invasion of > Alexander > the Great, and then the " Yavana Jatakam " of Sphujidwaja and the Surya > Sidhanta of Maya the Yavana (mlechha!), we had to fight outsiders! The > more the foreigners invaded us the more our rulers, instead of making a > united effort against the invaders, started consulting soothsayers whom > they > called Rajajyotishis! > > Varahamihira the worst culprit: > > The maximum credit for creating such a fear psychosis of omens and > ghosts > and ghouls and storms and even clouds goes to Varahamihira of 5th > century > AD through his Brihat Samita and Brihat Jatakam and Panchasidhantika! > Before venturing into the battlefield, our monarchs would ask their > soothsayers to prepare " narpati jaya charya " and consult Brihat Samhita > etc. > to see whether the " ketuchara " was favourable at that time or not! No > wonder with such a preliminary and hopeless knowledge of astronomical > facts, > we were being pushed back into dark ages by Varahamihira and his > followers! > > Our historical records are witness to the fact that we were vanquished > in > every battle, whether it was with Alexander the Great or Muhamud of > Gazni or > Chengiz Khan or Nadir Shah or the Moguls or finally the East India > Company, > thanks to the dependence of our monarchs on soothsayers (Rajajyotishis, > huh!) instead of the principles of war strategy and statecraft as > adumbrated > by the Vedas, the Manu and even Chanakya, who chided kings for > consulting > soothsayers! > > BJP the latest example: > > The fate of the BJP has not been any better than that of our earlier > monarchs by depending more on their " Vedic Jyotishis " who were > responsible > for getting " Vedic Jyotisha (sic!) " prescribed in Indian Universities! > It > is that very move that boomeranged on the party and even the " Minister > of > astrology " did not win his own parliamentary seat from Allahabad, let > alone > being the Union Minister again. Do you need any other proofs of the fact > that these " Vedic Jyotishis " will make you lose your seat of power well > before the appointed day just by making you advance your elections? > > If we continue to follow the trend of our " monarchs " of having blind > faith > in our soothsayers, then sooner than later we will become Babylon of > yesteryears, which is known as Iraq today! > > Kashmiri Pandits were the worst affected by their blind faith in > Jyotishis: > > Another reason for my revolt against the so called " Vedic astrology " is > that as a Kashmiri Pandit, I have more to blame panchanga makers and > soothsayers and their predictive gimmicks than anything or anybody else > since they never forewarned us about any calamities that were going to > befall us! On the other hand, just to prove their astrological > gimmicks, > they just made ---and are still making --- us celebrate all our > festivals, > including Mahashivaratri, Vasanti Navratras, Ramanavami, Janmashtami and > Sharadiya navratras etc. on wrong days. It is these very jyotishis, whom > we > had treated as our friends, philosophers and guides, who are responsible > for > our downfall as Kahsmiri Pandits, since they proved neither our friends, > nor > philosophers least of all our guides! These Panchanga makers/jyotishis > were > the first to flee from Kashmir in 1990--- like the king Hari Singh at > the > time of Pakistani raid in 1948--- since they had already made their > alternate homes in safer places like Jammu and Delhi. Those Jyotishis > just proved to be Shylocks, who were only interested in their Pound of > flesh > by way of Dakshinas for janmapatris and matching of horoscopes -- all > cheating and nothing else! > > These soothsayers have such a hypnotic grip on us that initially even I > was > brain washed to believe that the Vedas had nothing else to do excepting > teaching us predictive astrology! I was so convinced that it appeared > that > even the principle of Secondary Progressions must have been exported > from > India to Western countries as the principle of " A day equals a year " was > mentioned in our Vedas! But thank God, I woke up to the situation and > could > see through their tricks. > > There are no Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis in the Vedas: > > Leave alone predictive gimmicks, actually there are neither rashis like > Mesha, Vrisha etc. nor planets like Mangal, Shani etc. in the Vedas, > Upanishads, Brahmanas etc. Similarly, the Vedanga Jyotisha, the first > indigenous astronomical work of 14th century BCE, just tells us only as > to > how to calculate tithi, nakshatra and Uttarayana-cum- Tapah-cum Magha > etc. > months. It does not list any Mesha etc. rashis nor any planets like > Mangal, > Budha etc. Same is the case with Yajur Jyotisha of about 11th century > BCE > and later Atharva Jyotisha of about 5th century BCE, which does not have > any > Rashis though it talks of planets. As such, it is really a fraud on the > Vedas being played by some charlatans to call any predictive gimmicks as > Vedic astrology and hail themselves as " Vedic Jyotishis " . It is a crime > under " The Consumer Protection Act " as it is a misrepresentation of > facts to > a client and is thus a deficiency in service. > > Our predictions in the past also could never have been correct: > > It is said that over the past about 2000 years, our ancestors like > Varahamihira or his son Prithuyashas etc., could make marvellously > correct > predictions. THAT IS NOTHING BUT HOGWASH! Let us see how: prior to the > advent of scientific astronomy into India, i.e. about a couple of > centuries > back, panchangas were based on astronomical works like the Surya > Sidhanta or > Aryabhati or Sidhanta Shirmoani etc. etc. I have prepared a software > called > " Mahesh " . It calculates, apart from the actual tithi, nakshatra, yoga, > karna etc., the mean longitudes of all the planets from 10000 BCE to > 12030 > AD i.e. for more than 22,000 years as per the Surya Sidhanta, Aryabhati > or > Sidhanta Shiromani etc. besides comparing them with the longitudes as > per > modern astronomy. Anybody can download it freely from my discussion > forum > > http://groups. / group/HinduCalen dar > > Unfortunately for these jyotishis, we find that the very fundamental > arguments of these sidahntas like the Surya Sidhanta, the Aryabhati, the > Sidhanta Shiromani etc. etc. are absolutely wrong! . > > That naturally means that any panchanga based on them would also be > wrong, > with the result that any horoscope prepared on the basis of those > panchangas > could never be correct. Thus it is impossible for any astrological > predictions to have been correct in the past! As such, it is all like > the > famous couplet of Ghalib " yoon to hai hamko janat ki haqeeqat maloom > lekin; dil ke bahlane ko Ghalib yeh khayal achha hai " > > Astrology cannot be a science Predictive astrology is supposed to be a > " science " ! What a preposterous statement! When the data on which > predictions were based or are based these days are not correct, how can > the > results be correct and how can we call it a science at all? > > Stars do not affect us: > > It is said that stars affect us! It appears either these astrologers > have > gone honkers themselves or they suppose that the whole world has really > gone > mad! Let us see how: > I am a puny human being on this small planet called earth. The sun is > hundreds of thousands of times larger than the earth! And there are > other > stars of our nakshatra/rashichak ra that are supposed to affect me > individually as per the Dasha-Bhukti that is running in my horoscope! > However, this fantastic statement has no leg to stand upon since the > nearest > star of that Rashichakra is Shravana! And do you know its distance from > me? > It is seventeen light years! And it is several times larger than our > sun! > In other words, if that star wants i.e. Shravana wants to " affect " me > individually, it will take it at least seventeen years to do so even if > that > " effect " travels at the speed of light! And by then, my Rahu or Shani > or > whatever Dasha it may be must have been over! Then how can such a star > which > is trillions of times larger than me send its rays in a concentrated > form > just to haunt me at a particular point of time! Can you imagine what > type > of laughing stocks we are making of ourselves by believing in such > hocus > pocus! > Similarly, the next nearest star of our Rashichakra is Swati ! It is > away > by 26 light years from me > > and is again several times larger than our sun!! > > It thus defies imagination as to how we can call astrology a science or > how > it can be said that the " Stars affect us " . > > Patri Melapak (Horoscope Matching) is not warranted by shastras nor > astrology books: > > Now coming to the fad called Patri Melapak i.e. horoscope matching! > This > fad is the rage of the day! You will be surprised to know that none of > our > shastras, whether the Manusmriti or the Ramayana or the Mahabharata, > leave > alone the Vedas, have anything to do with Patri Melapak even by mistake! > We > do not find any instances that any Vedic Rishi was addicted to such a > fad, > since may be then most of them would still have been looking for a > " suitable > Patri " for melapak! Not to speak of Dharma shastras, there is no mention > of > this type of a malady in any of the astrology books like the so called > Parashari, or Mansagari or Phala Deepika or Jataka Parijata or any other > work! It appears to be a creation of the jyotishis of over the last > one > hundred years or so. Aleberuni, who visited India in 1030 AD and > recorded > quite faithfully all his experiences about Jyotisha and other things in > India also has not mentioned anything of any " Melapak " in his work! > > " All India Calendar Reform Committee " : > > Summing up, as we have just seen, not only are we subjected to > non-existent > fear psychosis like Kalasarpa Dosha and Patri Melapak etc. but we are > compelled to celebrate all our festivals on worng days. There are > quite > a few people who agree with my point of view that these days we are > celebrating Pitra Amavasya on the day of Dipavali and marriages during > Pitra-Paksha! Similarly, we never celebrate Makar Sankranti on correct > days > i.e. December 21/22 but we celebrate it on January 14. We also > celebrate > Vaishakhi on April 14 instead of the day of Spring Equinox i.e., March > 21 or > so. This has been all because of the so called " Vedic astrology " > > To put our festivals back on the right track, I made quite a few > representations to the Hon'ble President of India, the Prime Minister of > India, various ministries besides the Positional Astronomy Centre at > Calcutta, who publish our Rashtriya Panchanga. I also made similar > representations to all the reverred Shankaracharyas of all the six > peethas, > besides other saints and Mahatmas, but sorry to say, there has been > absolutely no response from any quarter! > > We have now formed an " All India Calendar Reform Committee " and are > enrolling members for the same. Those interested can log on to > http://groups. / group/HinduCalen dar for entering into > discussions > regarding the same. You can also get a list of correct dates of > festivals > for 2006 and 2007 from that forum. As an alternative, you can get in > touch > with me whenever you want to for any further clarifications. > > Thank you very much for listening to this " exhortation " against " Vedic > astrology " and the efforts I am making to streamline our calendars. > Om tat sat brahmarpanam astu > > Avtar Krishen Kaul > > President > > All India Calendar Reform Committee > > H. No. 5, MIG, 00-A, > > Sector-2, Avantika, Rohini, Delhi-110085. > > Email:jyotirved@ ...; a_krishen@ .; Tel. 011-27516483 > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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