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Guest guest Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 Resp. Members, As usual some new members have joined. I welcome all new members in our forum. I find that this month some prominent members have joined the forum. They are Mr. Mark Kincaid, Yograj Prabhakar, mindsutra and srajesh ji. We welcome and hope that new members may please come forward about their views on astrology after going through first msg of March-08 and some SOA______files in the file section. We are waiting for the observations Thanks once again for joining the forum. Yours truly, Sanat Sanat Kumar Jain Gwalior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Respected Sanat Kumar jain Sahib,Thanks a lot for your kind words, I am a student of one of the most wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal Kitab. The originator and author of this five divine scriptures is Pt. Roop Chand Joshi ji of village Pharwala (Distt Jalandhar) of Punjab. I joined this august group to learn from the vast experience of the luminaries present here, including your good-self. RespectfullyYograj Prabhakar--- On Thu, 9/11/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote:sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain Welcome Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 11:06 PM Resp. Members, As usual some new members have joined. I welcome all new members in our forum. I find that this month some prominent members have joined the forum. They are Mr. Mark Kincaid, Yograj Prabhakar, mindsutra and srajesh ji. We welcome and hope that new members may please come forward about their views on astrology after going through first msg of March-08 and some SOA______files in the file section. We are waiting for the observations Thanks once again for joining the forum. Yours truly, Sanat Sanat Kumar Jain Gwalior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 I've been studying astrology now for about a year and a half. I haven't posted for a while, and I've made this comment before, although I don't quite remember what responses were given. Is astrology beyond our current scientific methods? We're talking about the energies of the zodiac here, not simply what we perceive with the senses. I am fascinated by astrology - and I think about the zodiac itself a lot, and try to observe people manifesting the different energies of the zodiac. I have a sense that the twelve competing energies must resolve their differences in the eternal cosmic dance and we are servants or messengers for the twelve different superenergies. But how do you prove something like this? Does conventional science ignore it because it feels threatened, or because it cannot handle astrology, or because it "knows" (based on the scientific method) that it is faulty? My answer of course is, I don't understand it and I've discovered for myself that the universe is a weird place. But I use it! econ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 Resp. Prabhakar ji, Namaskar, Thanks for your reply. So let us start from your msg it-self. I am not agree with your observation >>>>> I am a student of one of the most wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal Kitab.<<<<< Because every body is student means every body is learning some thing or other till death. So your comment is rather submissive in nature instead of factual position. Hi Hi. Because one may be student of Ph.D., but when he teach middle class student then he is teacher and he must have knowledge to answer the various questions of middle class. So for us you are respected teacher. OK, let us be serious. We in this forum (which is only forum of this type) are discussing scientific admissibility of any predictive / remedial astrological (related to planet) principals. So you can discuss astrology (you may read first msg of march-08) or Lal Kitab etc., as you please. To start with your Lal Kitab let us have some preliminary questions. 1 – What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? 2 – Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system say lal kitab? I am waiting for your observations and on the basis of answer to these basic questions we will move further or even if you devise some other way for discussion. I have no objection. I hope our discussion will be fruitful and you will continue to interact. Thanking you, Yours truly, Sanat Gwalior 0751-2626868 , Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Respected Sanat Kumar jain Sahib, > > Thanks a lot for your kind words, I am a student of one of the most wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal Kitab. The originator and author of this five divine scriptures is Pt. Roop Chand Joshi ji of village Pharwala (Distt Jalandhar) of Punjab. I joined this august group to learn from the vast experience of the luminaries present here, including your good-self. > > Respectfully > Yograj Prabhakar > > --- On Thu, 9/11/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote: > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain > Welcome > > Thursday, September 11, 2008, 11:06 PM > > > > > Resp. Members, > > As usual some new members have joined. I welcome all new members in > > our forum. I find that this month some prominent members have joined > > the forum. They are Mr. Mark Kincaid, Yograj Prabhakar, mindsutra and > > srajesh ji. > > > > We welcome and hope that new members may please come forward about > > their views on astrology after going through first msg of March-08 > > and some SOA______files in the file section. > > > > We are waiting for the observations > > > > Thanks once again for joining the forum. > > > > Yours truly, > > Sanat > > Sanat Kumar Jain > > Gwalior > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Respected Sanat Kumar JiSa'daar Pranaam.Sir, my humble answers to your questions:"1 - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable?"No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the destiny. "2 – Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system say lal kitab?Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles.RespectfullyYograj Prabhakar--- On Sun, 9/14/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote:sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain Re: Welcome Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 11:09 PM Resp. Prabhakar ji, Namaskar, Thanks for your reply. So let us start from your msg it-self. I am not agree with your observation >>>>> I am a student of one of the most wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal Kitab.<<<<< Because every body is student means every body is learning some thing or other till death. So your comment is rather submissive in nature instead of factual position. Hi Hi. Because one may be student of Ph.D., but when he teach middle class student then he is teacher and he must have knowledge to answer the various questions of middle class. So for us you are respected teacher. OK, let us be serious. We in this forum (which is only forum of this type) are discussing scientific admissibility of any predictive / remedial astrological (related to planet) principals. So you can discuss astrology (you may read first msg of march-08) or Lal Kitab etc., as you please. To start with your Lal Kitab let us have some preliminary questions. 1 – What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? 2 – Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system say lal kitab? I am waiting for your observations and on the basis of answer to these basic questions we will move further or even if you devise some other way for discussion. I have no objection. I hope our discussion will be fruitful and you will continue to interact. Thanking you, Yours truly, Sanat Gwalior 0751-2626868 , Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > Respected Sanat Kumar jain Sahib, > > Thanks a lot for your kind words, I am a student of one of the most wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal Kitab. The originator and author of this five divine scriptures is Pt. Roop Chand Joshi ji of village Pharwala (Distt Jalandhar) of Punjab. I joined this august group to learn from the vast experience of the luminaries present here, including your good-self. > > Respectfully > Yograj Prabhakar > > --- On Thu, 9/11/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain wrote: > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain > Welcome > > Thursday, September 11, 2008, 11:06 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Members, > > As usual some new members have joined. I welcome all new members in > > our forum. I find that this month some prominent members have joined > > the forum. They are Mr. Mark Kincaid, Yograj Prabhakar, mindsutra and > > srajesh ji. > > > > We welcome and hope that new members may please come forward about > > their views on astrology after going through first msg of March-08 > > and some SOA______files in the file section. > > > > We are waiting for the observations > > > > Thanks once again for joining the forum. > > > > Yours truly, > > Sanat > > Sanat Kumar Jain > > Gwalior > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 Resp. Prabhakar ji, Namaskar, Thanks for your reply. Please do not be so humble, so I may not be able to reciprocate. Now I am digging further both points, which may trigger many points in due course (like point no 3) 1 S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the destiny. S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence of event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do some remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? 2 S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system say lal kitab? P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future event instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western, tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on? 3 S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction can correctly be known? I Hope you will continue to share your views and we will slowly move in this direction. Thanks, Yours truly, Sanat PS: I am not receiving any reply from Sh. Ghopal ji, Nathani ji, Mark, Jagannathan ji, Vijayshankar ji since long. I hope they will come out with their comments instead of observing silence. They must support there stand logically, scientifically etc.. Otherwise there is no use of interaction and one may continue with his own system of exploitation if it is bread and butter for him. I will like to request other silent members to take part in interaction and they may join from this msg. it-self. There msg will immediately be entered in the forum without any interference from the moderator or if they have any problem even then they must come out so that their problem may be sorted out. I will also like to request Dr. Sasikumar Ji as to why " Department of Space " (which was once explored by our sages through ved, puran and came our with some physical structure of the Universe, though it may now be not acceptable.) is not coming forward to educate our society, which is in the grip of blind faith, created by predictive astrologers, through Doordarshan etc. Because it is also written in our constitution that Govt will develop scientific aptitude in the society. I hope to get his reply in due course. , Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Respected Sanat Kumar Ji > Sa'daar Pranaam. > > Sir, my humble answers to your questions: > " 1 - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? " > No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the destiny. > > > " 2 – Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system > > say lal kitab? > Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > > Respectfully > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > --- On Sun, 9/14/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote: > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain > Re: Welcome > > Sunday, September 14, 2008, 11:09 PM > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > Namaskar, > > Thanks for your reply. So let us start from your msg it-self. > > > > I am not agree with your observation >>>>> I am a student of one of > > the most wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal > > Kitab.<<<<< Because every body is student means every body is > > learning some thing or other till death. So your comment is rather > > submissive in nature instead of factual position. Hi Hi. Because one > > may be student of Ph.D., but when he teach middle class student then > > he is teacher and he must have knowledge to answer the various > > questions of middle class. So for us you are respected teacher. > > > > OK, let us be serious. We in this forum (which is only forum of this > > type) are discussing scientific admissibility of any predictive / > > remedial astrological (related to planet) principals. So you can > > discuss astrology (you may read first msg of march-08) or Lal Kitab > > etc., as you please. > > > > To start with your Lal Kitab let us have some preliminary questions. > > > > 1 – What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? > > 2 – Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system > > say lal kitab? > > > > I am waiting for your observations and on the basis of answer to > > these basic questions we will move further or even if you devise some > > other way for discussion. I have no objection. > > > > I hope our discussion will be fruitful and you will continue to > > interact. > > > > Thanking you, > > Yours truly, > > > > Sanat > > Gwalior > > 0751-2626868 > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Sanat Kumar jain Sahib, > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your kind words, I am a student of one of the most > > wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal Kitab. The > > originator and author of this five divine scriptures is Pt. Roop > > Chand Joshi ji of village Pharwala (Distt Jalandhar) of Punjab. I > > joined this august group to learn from the vast experience of the > > luminaries present here, including your good-self. > > > > > > Respectfully > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > --- On Thu, 9/11/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote: > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> > > > Welcome > > > > > > Thursday, September 11, 2008, 11:06 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Members, > > > > > > As usual some new members have joined. I welcome all new members in > > > > > > our forum. I find that this month some prominent members have > > joined > > > > > > the forum. They are Mr. Mark Kincaid, Yograj Prabhakar, mindsutra > > and > > > > > > srajesh ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > We welcome and hope that new members may please come forward about > > > > > > their views on astrology after going through first msg of March- 08 > > > > > > and some SOA______files in the file section. > > > > > > > > > > > > We are waiting for the observations > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks once again for joining the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > Sanat > > > > > > Sanat Kumar Jain > > > > > > Gwalior > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 Respected Sabat Kumar Jain Sahib,Sa'adar PranaamI have answered under each of your question.RespectfullyYograj PrabhakarResp. Prabhakar ji,Namaskar,Thanks for your reply. Please do not be so humble, so I may not beable to reciprocate.YRP - You need not to reciprocate at all, but it is my right and the teachings of my Gurus to give full respect to a scholar, kindly do not deprive me of this right. Now I am digging further both points, which may trigger many pointsin due course (like point no 3)1S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable?P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter thedestiny.S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use ofknowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence ofevent is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do someremedy; say remedy of lal kitab?YRP - Respected Sir, suppose a person is destined to found a decent job, but can he/she afford to skip the interview? It is beyond anyone's power to stop rainfall, but what is wrong in protecting yourself under an umbrella? Knowing the future is just like the curiosity of a student who browse newspaper daily to see the result of his examination, and in my humble opinion It is not bad at all, because there are certain qualification examination for job seekers where participants are not informed individually. So if one forget to respond within time he/she may loose a potential chance of getting a job. 2S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system saylal kitab?P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles.S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future eventinstead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western,tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on?YRP - Sir, I have a bundle of arguments in favor, but I am bound by one of the dictum of this divine scripture called Lal Kitab that advised its followers never to criticize other streams of knowledge or its scholars to prove their point. I am reproducing the exact text in Roman Urdu:"Baat kee asliyat paaney ke liye, kisi doosrey ilm ya aalim ki badkhoyee se parhez chahiye."3S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction cancorrectly be known?YRP - There are different principles/methods defined in Lal Kitab for different events, It will be more appropriate if you can pinpoint to a particular aspect.I Hope you will continue to share your views and we will slowly movein this direction.YRP - Sir, I joined this august group to learn from you and other scholars. I will continue to share my views, whenever necessary.Thanks,Yours truly,Sanat--- On Tue, 9/16/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote:sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain Re: Welcome Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 11:00 PM Resp. Prabhakar ji, Namaskar, Thanks for your reply. Please do not be so humble, so I may not be able to reciprocate. Now I am digging further both points, which may trigger many points in due course (like point no 3) 1 S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the destiny. S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence of event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do some remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? 2 S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system say lal kitab? P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future event instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western, tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on? 3 S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction can correctly be known? I Hope you will continue to share your views and we will slowly move in this direction. Thanks, Yours truly, Sanat PS: I am not receiving any reply from Sh. Ghopal ji, Nathani ji, Mark, Jagannathan ji, Vijayshankar ji since long. I hope they will come out with their comments instead of observing silence. They must support there stand logically, scientifically etc.. Otherwise there is no use of interaction and one may continue with his own system of exploitation if it is bread and butter for him. I will like to request other silent members to take part in interaction and they may join from this msg. it-self. There msg will immediately be entered in the forum without any interference from the moderator or if they have any problem even then they must come out so that their problem may be sorted out. I will also like to request Dr. Sasikumar Ji as to why "Department of Space" (which was once explored by our sages through ved, puran and came our with some physical structure of the Universe, though it may now be not acceptable.) is not coming forward to educate our society, which is in the grip of blind faith, created by predictive astrologers, through Doordarshan etc. Because it is also written in our constitution that Govt will develop scientific aptitude in the society. I hope to get his reply in due course. , Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > Respected Sanat Kumar Ji > Sa'daar Pranaam. > > Sir, my humble answers to your questions: > "1 - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable?" > No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the destiny. > > > "2 – Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system > > say lal kitab? > Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > > Respectfully > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 9/14/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain wrote: > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain > Re: Welcome > > Sunday, September 14, 2008, 11:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > Namaskar, > > Thanks for your reply. So let us start from your msg it-self. > > > > I am not agree with your observation >>>>> I am a student of one of > > the most wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal > > Kitab.<<<<< Because every body is student means every body is > > learning some thing or other till death. So your comment is rather > > submissive in nature instead of factual position. Hi Hi. Because one > > may be student of Ph.D., but when he teach middle class student then > > he is teacher and he must have knowledge to answer the various > > questions of middle class. So for us you are respected teacher. > > > > OK, let us be serious. We in this forum (which is only forum of this > > type) are discussing scientific admissibility of any predictive / > > remedial astrological (related to planet) principals. So you can > > discuss astrology (you may read first msg of march-08) or Lal Kitab > > etc., as you please. > > > > To start with your Lal Kitab let us have some preliminary questions. > > > > 1 – What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? > > 2 – Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system > > say lal kitab? > > > > I am waiting for your observations and on the basis of answer to > > these basic questions we will move further or even if you devise some > > other way for discussion. I have no objection. > > > > I hope our discussion will be fruitful and you will continue to > > interact. > > > > Thanking you, > > Yours truly, > > > > Sanat > > Gwalior > > 0751-2626868 > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Sanat Kumar jain Sahib, > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your kind words, I am a student of one of the most > > wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal Kitab. The > > originator and author of this five divine scriptures is Pt. Roop > > Chand Joshi ji of village Pharwala (Distt Jalandhar) of Punjab. I > > joined this august group to learn from the vast experience of the > > luminaries present here, including your good-self. > > > > > > Respectfully > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > --- On Thu, 9/11/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote: > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> > > > Welcome > > > > > > Thursday, September 11, 2008, 11:06 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Members, > > > > > > As usual some new members have joined. I welcome all new members in > > > > > > our forum. I find that this month some prominent members have > > joined > > > > > > the forum. They are Mr. Mark Kincaid, Yograj Prabhakar, mindsutra > > and > > > > > > srajesh ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > We welcome and hope that new members may please come forward about > > > > > > their views on astrology after going through first msg of March- 08 > > > > > > and some SOA______files in the file section. > > > > > > > > > > > > We are waiting for the observations > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks once again for joining the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > Sanat > > > > > > Sanat Kumar Jain > > > > > > Gwalior > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Shri Yograj Prabhakarji, Namaskar! Would you kindly clarify a few points about your post: <S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the destiny.> What is the definition of destiny according to you? Is it something that has been thrust on us by some supernatural power for no fault or merit of ours? Or is it something that we have earned ourselves for ourselves by dint of our own good or bad deeds? Pl. quote the concerned authorites---scriptures--in support of your answer. <S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system say lal kitab? P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles.> To the best of my knowledge, Lal Kitab principles of prediction are entirely different from and even contradictory to the usual " Vedic astrology " . It is also a very recent " discovery " (or is it an " invention " ?). Do you mean to say that all the systems of prognostication that are/were being followed apart from Lal Kitab are meaningless and useless? If not, then how can the two contradictory streams be reconciled? We must also not forget that we have several other systems like Jaimini, Tazika, Prashna etc. as well that are being followed by " Vedic astrologers " side by side! How do those systems gell with Lal Kitab? < YRP - Respected Sir, suppose a person is destined to found a decent job, but can he/she afford to skip the interview? It is beyond anyone's power to stop rainfall, but what is wrong in protecting yourself under an umbrella? Knowing the future is just like the curiosity of a student who browse newspaper daily to see the result of his examination, and in my humble opinion It is not bad at all, because there are certain qualification examination for job seekers where participants are not informed individually. So if one forget to respond within time he/she may loose a potential chance of getting a job.> I beg your pardon! On the one hand, you have said catagorically that desitny cannot be altered! That means if I am destined to get the job, I will get it even without appearing for an interview! On the other hand, in the same breath, you are saying that if the participant has an umbrealla and if it rains, he cannot miss the interview! But then what is the use of his/her appearing in the interview if he/she is not " desitned " to get the job? How can any Lal or Kali or Peele or even Safed Kitab help him/her then in getting the job which he/she is not detined to get at all--- according to your own theory? Don't you think it is all a jargon to make a fool of a gullible person and to confuse him/her all the more who is/are already confused with hundreds of ayanamshas and dasha bhuktis and so many systems? Is that the motive of Lal Kitab and its followers? With regards, AKK , Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Respected Sabat Kumar Jain Sahib, > Sa'adar Pranaam > > I have answered under each of your question. > > Respectfully > Yograj Prabhakar > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > Namaskar, > Thanks for your reply. Please do not be so humble, so I may not be > able to reciprocate. > > YRP - You need not to reciprocate at all, but it is my right and the teachings of my Gurus to give full respect to a scholar, kindly do not deprive me of this right. > > Now I am digging further both points, which may trigger many points > in due course (like point no 3) > > 1 > S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? > P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > destiny. > > S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of > knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence of > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do some > remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? > > YRP - Respected Sir, suppose a person is destined to found a decent job, but can he/she afford to skip the interview? It is beyond anyone's power to stop rainfall, but what is wrong in protecting yourself under an umbrella? Knowing the future is just like the curiosity of a student who browse newspaper daily to see the result of his examination, and in my humble opinion It is not bad at all, because there are certain qualification examination for job seekers where participants are not informed individually. So if one forget to respond within time he/she may loose a potential chance of getting a job. > > 2 > S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system say > lal kitab? > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future event > instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western, > tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on? > > YRP - Sir, I have a bundle of arguments in favor, but I am bound by one of the dictum of this divine scripture called Lal Kitab that advised its followers never to criticize other streams of knowledge or its scholars to prove their point. I am > > reproducing the exact text in Roman Urdu: > > " Baat kee asliyat paaney ke liye, kisi doosrey ilm ya aalim ki badkhoyee se parhez > chahiye. " > > 3 > S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction can > correctly be known? > > YRP - There are different principles/methods defined in Lal Kitab for different events, It will be more appropriate if you can pinpoint to a particular aspect. > > I Hope you will continue to share your views and we will slowly move > in this direction. > > YRP - Sir, I joined this august group to learn from you and other scholars. I will continue to share my views, whenever necessary. > > > Thanks, > > Yours truly, > Sanat > > > --- On Tue, 9/16/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote: > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain > Re: Welcome > > Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 11:00 PM > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > Namaskar, > > Thanks for your reply. Please do not be so humble, so I may not be > > able to reciprocate. > > > > Now I am digging further both points, which may trigger many points > > in due course (like point no 3) > > > > 1 > > S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? > > P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > > destiny. > > > > S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of > > knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence of > > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do some > > remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? > > > > 2 > > S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system say > > lal kitab? > > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > > > > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future event > > instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western, > > tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on? > > > > 3 > > S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction can > > correctly be known? > > > > I Hope you will continue to share your views and we will slowly move > > in this direction. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Yours truly, > > Sanat > > > > PS: I am not receiving any reply from Sh. Ghopal ji, Nathani ji, > > Mark, Jagannathan ji, Vijayshankar ji since long. I hope they will > > come out with their comments instead of observing silence. They must > > support there stand logically, scientifically etc.. Otherwise there > > is no use of interaction and one may continue with his own system of > > exploitation if it is bread and butter for him. > > > > I will like to request other silent members to take part in > > interaction and they may join from this msg. it-self. There msg will > > immediately be entered in the forum without any interference from the > > moderator or if they have any problem even then they must come out so > > that their problem may be sorted out. > > > > I will also like to request Dr. Sasikumar Ji as to why " Department of > > Space " (which was once explored by our sages through ved, puran and > > came our with some physical structure of the Universe, though it may > > now be not acceptable.) is not coming forward to educate our society, > > which is in the grip of blind faith, created by predictive > > astrologers, through Doordarshan etc. Because it is also written in > > our constitution that Govt will develop scientific aptitude in the > > society. I hope to get his reply in due course. > > > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Sanat Kumar Ji > > > Sa'daar Pranaam. > > > > > > Sir, my humble answers to your questions: > > > " 1 - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or > > variable? " > > > No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > > destiny. > > > > > > > > > " 2 – Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system > > > > > > say lal kitab? > > > Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > > > > > > Respectfully > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 9/14/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote: > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> > > > Re: Welcome > > > > > > Sunday, September 14, 2008, 11:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. So let us start from your msg it-self. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not agree with your observation >>>>> I am a student of one of > > > > > > the most wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal > > > > > > Kitab.<<<<< Because every body is student means every body is > > > > > > learning some thing or other till death. So your comment is rather > > > > > > submissive in nature instead of factual position. Hi Hi. Because > > one > > > > > > may be student of Ph.D., but when he teach middle class student > > then > > > > > > he is teacher and he must have knowledge to answer the various > > > > > > questions of middle class. So for us you are respected teacher. > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, let us be serious. We in this forum (which is only forum of > > this > > > > > > type) are discussing scientific admissibility of any predictive / > > > > > > remedial astrological (related to planet) principals. So you can > > > > > > discuss astrology (you may read first msg of march-08) or Lal Kitab > > > > > > etc., as you please. > > > > > > > > > > > > To start with your Lal Kitab let us have some preliminary questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 – What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? > > > > > > 2 – Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system > > > > > > say lal kitab? > > > > > > > > > > > > I am waiting for your observations and on the basis of answer to > > > > > > these basic questions we will move further or even if you devise > > some > > > > > > other way for discussion. I have no objection. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope our discussion will be fruitful and you will continue to > > > > > > interact. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat > > > > > > Gwalior > > > > > > 0751-2626868 > > > > > > > > > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sanat Kumar jain Sahib, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your kind words, I am a student of one of the > > most > > > > > > wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal Kitab. The > > > > > > originator and author of this five divine scriptures is Pt. Roop > > > > > > Chand Joshi ji of village Pharwala (Distt Jalandhar) of Punjab. I > > > > > > joined this august group to learn from the vast experience of the > > > > > > luminaries present here, including your good-self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 9/11/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote: > > > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> > > > > > > > Welcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, September 11, 2008, 11:06 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As usual some new members have joined. I welcome all new members > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our forum. I find that this month some prominent members have > > > > > > joined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the forum. They are Mr. Mark Kincaid, Yograj Prabhakar, mindsutra > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > srajesh ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We welcome and hope that new members may please come forward > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their views on astrology after going through first msg of March- > > 08 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and some SOA______files in the file section. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are waiting for the observations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks once again for joining the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat Kumar Jain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gwalior > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Respected Kaul Sahib Namaskar.Sir, I will be more than happy to answer each of your question, but before proceeding further I would like to ask you one simple question - have you ever read Lal Kitab? If yes, only then it will be appropriate for me to answer. Otherwise, it is my humble request to you to read the Lal Kitab and only then raise question on this Granth. RespectfullyYograj Prabhakar--- On Sat, 9/20/08, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved wrote:Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved Re: Welcome Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 5:35 PM Shri Yograj Prabhakarji, Namaskar! Would you kindly clarify a few points about your post: <S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the destiny.> What is the definition of destiny according to you? Is it something that has been thrust on us by some supernatural power for no fault or merit of ours? Or is it something that we have earned ourselves for ourselves by dint of our own good or bad deeds? Pl. quote the concerned authorites-- -scriptures- -in support of your answer. <S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system say lal kitab? P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles.> To the best of my knowledge, Lal Kitab principles of prediction are entirely different from and even contradictory to the usual "Vedic astrology". It is also a very recent "discovery" (or is it an "invention"? ). Do you mean to say that all the systems of prognostication that are/were being followed apart from Lal Kitab are meaningless and useless? If not, then how can the two contradictory streams be reconciled? We must also not forget that we have several other systems like Jaimini, Tazika, Prashna etc. as well that are being followed by "Vedic astrologers" side by side! How do those systems gell with Lal Kitab? < YRP - Respected Sir, suppose a person is destined to found a decent job, but can he/she afford to skip the interview? It is beyond anyone's power to stop rainfall, but what is wrong in protecting yourself under an umbrella? Knowing the future is just like the curiosity of a student who browse newspaper daily to see the result of his examination, and in my humble opinion It is not bad at all, because there are certain qualification examination for job seekers where participants are not informed individually. So if one forget to respond within time he/she may loose a potential chance of getting a job.> I beg your pardon! On the one hand, you have said catagorically that desitny cannot be altered! That means if I am destined to get the job, I will get it even without appearing for an interview! On the other hand, in the same breath, you are saying that if the participant has an umbrealla and if it rains, he cannot miss the interview! But then what is the use of his/her appearing in the interview if he/she is not "desitned" to get the job? How can any Lal or Kali or Peele or even Safed Kitab help him/her then in getting the job which he/she is not detined to get at all--- according to your own theory? Don't you think it is all a jargon to make a fool of a gullible person and to confuse him/her all the more who is/are already confused with hundreds of ayanamshas and dasha bhuktis and so many systems? Is that the motive of Lal Kitab and its followers? With regards, AKK , Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > Respected Sabat Kumar Jain Sahib, > Sa'adar Pranaam > > I have answered under each of your question. > > Respectfully > Yograj Prabhakar > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > Namaskar, > Thanks for your reply. Please do not be so humble, so I may not be > able to reciprocate. > > YRP - You need not to reciprocate at all, but it is my right and the teachings of my Gurus to give full respect to a scholar, kindly do not deprive me of this right. > > Now I am digging further both points, which may trigger many points > in due course (like point no 3) > > 1 > S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? > P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > destiny. > > S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of > knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence of > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do some > remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? > > YRP - Respected Sir, suppose a person is destined to found a decent job, but can he/she afford to skip the interview? It is beyond anyone's power to stop rainfall, but what is wrong in protecting yourself under an umbrella? Knowing the future is just like the curiosity of a student who browse newspaper daily to see the result of his examination, and in my humble opinion It is not bad at all, because there are certain qualification examination for job seekers where participants are not informed individually. So if one forget to respond within time he/she may loose a potential chance of getting a job. > > 2 > S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system say > lal kitab? > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future event > instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western, > tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on? > > YRP - Sir, I have a bundle of arguments in favor, but I am bound by one of the dictum of this divine scripture called Lal Kitab that advised its followers never to criticize other streams of knowledge or its scholars to prove their point. I am > > reproducing the exact text in Roman Urdu: > > "Baat kee asliyat paaney ke liye, kisi doosrey ilm ya aalim ki badkhoyee se parhez > chahiye." > > 3 > S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction can > correctly be known? > > YRP - There are different principles/methods defined in Lal Kitab for different events, It will be more appropriate if you can pinpoint to a particular aspect. > > I Hope you will continue to share your views and we will slowly move > in this direction. > > YRP - Sir, I joined this august group to learn from you and other scholars. I will continue to share my views, whenever necessary. > > > Thanks, > > Yours truly, > Sanat > > > --- On Tue, 9/16/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain wrote: > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain > Re: Welcome > > Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 11:00 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > Namaskar, > > Thanks for your reply. Please do not be so humble, so I may not be > > able to reciprocate. > > > > Now I am digging further both points, which may trigger many points > > in due course (like point no 3) > > > > 1 > > S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? > > P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > > destiny. > > > > S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of > > knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence of > > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do some > > remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? > > > > 2 > > S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system say > > lal kitab? > > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > > > > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future event > > instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western, > > tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on? > > > > 3 > > S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction can > > correctly be known? > > > > I Hope you will continue to share your views and we will slowly move > > in this direction. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Yours truly, > > Sanat > > > > PS: I am not receiving any reply from Sh. Ghopal ji, Nathani ji, > > Mark, Jagannathan ji, Vijayshankar ji since long. I hope they will > > come out with their comments instead of observing silence. They must > > support there stand logically, scientifically etc.. Otherwise there > > is no use of interaction and one may continue with his own system of > > exploitation if it is bread and butter for him. > > > > I will like to request other silent members to take part in > > interaction and they may join from this msg. it-self. There msg will > > immediately be entered in the forum without any interference from the > > moderator or if they have any problem even then they must come out so > > that their problem may be sorted out. > > > > I will also like to request Dr. Sasikumar Ji as to why "Department of > > Space" (which was once explored by our sages through ved, puran and > > came our with some physical structure of the Universe, though it may > > now be not acceptable.) is not coming forward to educate our society, > > which is in the grip of blind faith, created by predictive > > astrologers, through Doordarshan etc. Because it is also written in > > our constitution that Govt will develop scientific aptitude in the > > society. I hope to get his reply in due course. > > > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Sanat Kumar Ji > > > Sa'daar Pranaam. > > > > > > Sir, my humble answers to your questions: > > > "1 - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or > > variable?" > > > No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > > destiny. > > > > > > > > > "2 – Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system > > > > > > say lal kitab? > > > Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > > > > > > Respectfully > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 9/14/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote: > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> > > > Re: Welcome > > > > > > Sunday, September 14, 2008, 11:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. So let us start from your msg it-self. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not agree with your observation >>>>> I am a student of one of > > > > > > the most wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal > > > > > > Kitab.<<<<< Because every body is student means every body is > > > > > > learning some thing or other till death. So your comment is rather > > > > > > submissive in nature instead of factual position. Hi Hi. Because > > one > > > > > > may be student of Ph.D., but when he teach middle class student > > then > > > > > > he is teacher and he must have knowledge to answer the various > > > > > > questions of middle class. So for us you are respected teacher. > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, let us be serious. We in this forum (which is only forum of > > this > > > > > > type) are discussing scientific admissibility of any predictive / > > > > > > remedial astrological (related to planet) principals. So you can > > > > > > discuss astrology (you may read first msg of march-08) or Lal Kitab > > > > > > etc., as you please. > > > > > > > > > > > > To start with your Lal Kitab let us have some preliminary questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 – What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? > > > > > > 2 – Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system > > > > > > say lal kitab? > > > > > > > > > > > > I am waiting for your observations and on the basis of answer to > > > > > > these basic questions we will move further or even if you devise > > some > > > > > > other way for discussion. I have no objection. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope our discussion will be fruitful and you will continue to > > > > > > interact. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat > > > > > > Gwalior > > > > > > 0751-2626868 > > > > > > > > > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sanat Kumar jain Sahib, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your kind words, I am a student of one of the > > most > > > > > > wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal Kitab. The > > > > > > originator and author of this five divine scriptures is Pt. Roop > > > > > > Chand Joshi ji of village Pharwala (Distt Jalandhar) of Punjab. I > > > > > > joined this august group to learn from the vast experience of the > > > > > > luminaries present here, including your good-self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 9/11/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote: > > > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> > > > > > > > Welcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, September 11, 2008, 11:06 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As usual some new members have joined. I welcome all new members > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our forum. I find that this month some prominent members have > > > > > > joined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the forum. They are Mr. Mark Kincaid, Yograj Prabhakar, mindsutra > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > srajesh ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We welcome and hope that new members may please come forward > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their views on astrology after going through first msg of March- > > 08 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and some SOA______files in the file section. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are waiting for the observations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks once again for joining the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat Kumar Jain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gwalior > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Shri Yograj Prabhakarji, Namaskar! Thanks for the reply. You have said <it is my humble request to you to read the Lal Kitab and only then raise question on this Granth.> Kindly read my post again! The questions I have asked have nothing to do with Lal Kitab or Kali Kitab etc. but they are about the fundamental ethos of Hindu culture and " Vedic astrology " . I repeat the questions again: <What is the definition of destiny according to you? Is it something that has been thrust on us by some supernatural power for no fault or merit of ours? Or is it something that we have earned ourselves for ourselves by dint of our own good or bad deeds? Pl. quote the concerned authorites-- -scriptures- -in support of your answer.> What has this question to do with Lal Kitab or Peeli kitab etc.? My second question is: <To the best of my knowledge, Lal Kitab principles of prediction are entirely different from and even contradictory to the usual " Vedic astrology " . It is also a very recent " discovery " (or is it an " invention " ? ). Do you mean to say that all the systems of prognostication that are/were being followed apart from Lal Kitab are meaningless and useless? If not, then how can the two contradictory streams be reconciled?> This question also is about the relevance/accuracy of astrological principles that are supposed to have been practised in India over the last several thousand years vis-a-vis Lal Kitab! Obviously, the " invention " or " discovery " of the principles of Lal Kitab means that the Jyotishis themselves were disgusted and dis-satisfied with the prevailing systems of prognostication and one jyotishi among them " invented " a new system just as Jaimini system was invented in the name of Jaimini Rishi and Krishnamurti Padhati in the name of the founder of that Paddhati! Same is the case with several Ayanamshas---every Ayanamsha " inventor " praises his ayanamsha for accuracy in the results! As far as my studying Lal Kitab is concerned personaly, I have gone through it cursorily, since in a tans-Yamnua Posh colony in East Delhi, where I was residing till a few years back, I had a next door neighbou, a retired Professor of Psychology, who was an ardent follower of Lal Kitab for at least thirty years! I glanced through the pages of that book at his house. He was a tantrik also! People flocked to him like moths to a flame! The poor jyotishi's daughter, however, was a spinster even at the age of 33 in spite of the jyotishi-cum-tantrik having done all the remedial measures as per all the " Lal and Kali and Peeli " kitabs etc.! I also learn that even that Lal Kitab jyotishi-cum-tantrik himself had got paralytic later and was unable to speak at all! All his clients are said to have desrted him in his old age! That reminded of the words of poor Lord Cllve, " Had I served my God with half the zeal as I served my king He would not have deserted me in my old age " . Thus if that Lal Kitab jyotishi-cum-Tantrik had served God even with half the zeal as he " served " the " Lal Kitab " , He would certainly not have deserted that jyotishi when he became paralytic! Hence my humble request to jyotishis: Mother Nature does not like her secrtes about the future to be pried open! If she had wanted to keep everything before us like an open book, there was no need for her to go to absurd lengths to obliterate the memory of our earlier janmas from our psyche! You are, as such, requested to kindly do answer my questions. With regards, A K Kaul , Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Respected Kaul Sahib > Namaskar. > > Sir, I will be more than happy to answer each of your question, but before proceeding further I would like to ask you one simple question - have you ever read Lal Kitab? If yes, only then it will be appropriate for me to answer. Otherwise, it is my humble request to you to read the Lal Kitab and only then raise question on this Granth. > > > > Respectfully > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > --- On Sat, 9/20/08, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved wrote: > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved > Re: Welcome > > Saturday, September 20, 2008, 5:35 PM > > > > > Shri Yograj Prabhakarji, > > Namaskar! > > Would you kindly clarify a few points about your post: > > <S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? > > P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > > destiny.> > > > > What is the definition of destiny according to you? Is it something > > that has been thrust on us by some supernatural power for no fault > > or merit of ours? Or is it something that we have earned ourselves > > for ourselves by dint of our own good or bad deeds? > > > > Pl. quote the concerned authorites-- -scriptures- -in support of your > > answer. > > > > <S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system > > say lal kitab? > > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles.> > > > > To the best of my knowledge, Lal Kitab principles of prediction are > > entirely different from and even contradictory to the usual " Vedic > > astrology " . It is also a very recent " discovery " (or is it > > an " invention " ? ). Do you mean to say that all the systems of > > prognostication that are/were being followed apart from Lal Kitab > > are meaningless and useless? If not, then how can the two > > contradictory streams be reconciled? > > > > We must also not forget that we have several other systems like > > Jaimini, Tazika, Prashna etc. as well that are being followed > > by " Vedic astrologers " side by side! How do those systems gell with > > Lal Kitab? > > > > < YRP - Respected Sir, suppose a person is destined to found a > > decent job, but can he/she afford to skip the interview? It is > > beyond anyone's power to stop rainfall, but what is wrong in > > protecting yourself under an umbrella? Knowing the future is just > > like the curiosity of a student who browse newspaper daily to see > > the result of his examination, and in my humble opinion It is not > > bad at all, because there are certain qualification examination for > > job seekers where participants are not informed individually. So if > > one forget to respond within time he/she may loose a potential > > chance of getting a job.> > > > > I beg your pardon! On the one hand, you have said catagorically > > that desitny cannot be altered! That means if I am destined to get > > the job, I will get it even without appearing for an interview! On > > the other hand, in the same breath, you are saying that if the > > participant has an umbrealla and if it rains, he cannot miss the > > interview! But then what is the use of his/her appearing in the > > interview if he/she is not " desitned " to get the job? How can any > > Lal or Kali or Peele or even Safed Kitab help him/her then in > > getting the job which he/she is not detined to get at all--- > > according to your own theory? > > > > Don't you think it is all a jargon to make a fool of a gullible > > person and to confuse him/her all the more who is/are already > > confused with hundreds of ayanamshas and dasha bhuktis and so many > > systems? > > > > Is that the motive of Lal Kitab and its followers? > > With regards, > > AKK > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Sabat Kumar Jain Sahib, > > > Sa'adar Pranaam > > > > > > I have answered under each of your question. > > > > > > Respectfully > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > > Namaskar, > > > Thanks for your reply. Please do not be so humble, so I may not be > > > able to reciprocate. > > > > > > YRP - You need not to reciprocate at all, but it is my right and > > the teachings of my Gurus to give full respect to a scholar, kindly > > do not deprive me of this right. > > > > > > Now I am digging further both points, which may trigger many points > > > in due course (like point no 3) > > > > > > 1 > > > S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or > > variable? > > > P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > > > destiny. > > > > > > S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of > > > knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence of > > > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do > > some > > > remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? > > > > > > YRP - Respected Sir, suppose a person is destined to found a > > decent job, but can he/she afford to skip the interview? It is > > beyond anyone's power to stop rainfall, but what is wrong in > > protecting yourself under an umbrella? Knowing the future is just > > like the curiosity of a student who browse newspaper daily to see > > the result of his examination, and in my humble opinion It is not > > bad at all, because there are certain qualification examination for > > job seekers where participants are not informed individually. So if > > one forget to respond within time he/she may loose a potential > > chance of getting a job. > > > > > > 2 > > > S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system > > say > > > lal kitab? > > > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab > > principles. > > > > > > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future event > > > instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western, > > > tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on? > > > > > > YRP - Sir, I have a bundle of arguments in favor, but I am bound > > by one of the dictum of this divine scripture called Lal Kitab that > > advised its followers never to criticize other streams of knowledge > > or its scholars to prove their point. I am > > > > > > reproducing the exact text in Roman Urdu: > > > > > > " Baat kee asliyat paaney ke liye, kisi doosrey ilm ya aalim ki > > badkhoyee se parhez > > > chahiye. " > > > > > > 3 > > > S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction can > > > correctly be known? > > > > > > YRP - There are different principles/methods defined in Lal Kitab > > for different events, It will be more appropriate if you can > > pinpoint to a particular aspect. > > > > > > I Hope you will continue to share your views and we will slowly > > move > > > in this direction. > > > > > > YRP - Sir, I joined this august group to learn from you and other > > scholars. I will continue to share my views, whenever necessary. > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 9/16/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote: > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> > > > Re: Welcome > > > > > > Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 11:00 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. Please do not be so humble, so I may not be > > > > > > able to reciprocate. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I am digging further both points, which may trigger many > > points > > > > > > in due course (like point no 3) > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 > > > > > > S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or > > variable? > > > > > > P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter > > the > > > > > > destiny. > > > > > > > > > > > > S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of > > > > > > knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence of > > > > > > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do > > some > > > > > > remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 > > > > > > S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system > > say > > > > > > lal kitab? > > > > > > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab > > principles. > > > > > > > > > > > > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future > > event > > > > > > instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western, > > > > > > tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on? > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 > > > > > > S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction > > can > > > > > > correctly be known? > > > > > > > > > > > > I Hope you will continue to share your views and we will slowly > > move > > > > > > in this direction. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: I am not receiving any reply from Sh. Ghopal ji, Nathani ji, > > > > > > Mark, Jagannathan ji, Vijayshankar ji since long. I hope they > > will > > > > > > come out with their comments instead of observing silence. They > > must > > > > > > support there stand logically, scientifically etc.. Otherwise > > there > > > > > > is no use of interaction and one may continue with his own system > > of > > > > > > exploitation if it is bread and butter for him. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will like to request other silent members to take part in > > > > > > interaction and they may join from this msg. it-self. There msg > > will > > > > > > immediately be entered in the forum without any interference from > > the > > > > > > moderator or if they have any problem even then they must come out > > so > > > > > > that their problem may be sorted out. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will also like to request Dr. Sasikumar Ji as to why " Department > > of > > > > > > Space " (which was once explored by our sages through ved, puran > > and > > > > > > came our with some physical structure of the Universe, though it > > may > > > > > > now be not acceptable.) is not coming forward to educate our > > society, > > > > > > which is in the grip of blind faith, created by predictive > > > > > > astrologers, through Doordarshan etc. Because it is also written > > in > > > > > > our constitution that Govt will develop scientific aptitude in the > > > > > > society. I hope to get his reply in due course. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sanat Kumar Ji > > > > > > > Sa'daar Pranaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, my humble answers to your questions: > > > > > > > " 1 - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or > > > > > > variable? " > > > > > > > No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > > > > > > destiny. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " 2 – Is it possible to know any event of the future with any > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say lal kitab? > > > > > > > Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 9/14/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote: > > > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> > > > > > > > Re: Welcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 14, 2008, 11:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. So let us start from your msg it-self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not agree with your observation >>>>> I am a student of one > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the most wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kitab.<<<<< Because every body is student means every body is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learning some thing or other till death. So your comment is > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > submissive in nature instead of factual position. Hi Hi. Because > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may be student of Ph.D., but when he teach middle class student > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is teacher and he must have knowledge to answer the various > > > > > > > > > > > > > > questions of middle class. So for us you are respected teacher. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, let us be serious. We in this forum (which is only forum of > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > type) are discussing scientific admissibility of any > > predictive / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remedial astrological (related to planet) principals. So you can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss astrology (you may read first msg of march-08) or Lal > > Kitab > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc., as you please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To start with your Lal Kitab let us have some preliminary > > questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 – What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or > > variable? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 – Is it possible to know any event of the future with any > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say lal kitab? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am waiting for your observations and on the basis of answer to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these basic questions we will move further or even if you devise > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other way for discussion. I have no objection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope our discussion will be fruitful and you will continue to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gwalior > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0751-2626868 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sanat Kumar jain Sahib, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your kind words, I am a student of one of the > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal Kitab. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > originator and author of this five divine scriptures is Pt. Roop > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chand Joshi ji of village Pharwala (Distt Jalandhar) of Punjab. > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > joined this august group to learn from the vast experience of > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > luminaries present here, including your good-self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 9/11/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, September 11, 2008, 11:06 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As usual some new members have joined. I welcome all new > > members > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our forum. I find that this month some prominent members have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > joined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the forum. They are Mr. Mark Kincaid, Yograj Prabhakar, > > mindsutra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > srajesh ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We welcome and hope that new members may please come forward > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their views on astrology after going through first msg of > > March- > > > > > > 08 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and some SOA______files in the file section. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are waiting for the observations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks once again for joining the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat Kumar Jain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gwalior > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved wrote: Shri Yograj Prabhakarji, Namaskar! Thanks for the reply. You have said <it is my humble request to you to read the Lal Kitab and only then raise question on this Granth.> Kindly read my post again! The questions I have asked have nothing to do with Lal Kitab or Kali Kitab etc. but they are about the fundamental ethos of Hindu culture and " Vedic astrology " . I repeat the questions again: <What is the definition of destiny according to you? Is it something that has been thrust on us by some supernatural power for no fault or merit of ours? Or is it something that we have earned ourselves for ourselves by dint of our own good or bad deeds? Pl. quote the concerned authorites-- -scriptures- -in support of your answer.> What has this question to do with Lal Kitab or Peeli kitab etc.? My second question is: <To the best of my knowledge, Lal Kitab principles of prediction are entirely different from and even contradictory to the usual " Vedic astrology " . It is also a very recent " discovery " (or is it an " invention " ? ). Do you mean to say that all the systems of prognostication that are/were being followed apart from Lal Kitab are meaningless and useless? If not, then how can the two contradictory streams be reconciled?> This question also is about the relevance/accuracy of astrological principles that are supposed to have been practised in India over the last several thousand years vis-a-vis Lal Kitab! Obviously, the " invention " or " discovery " of the principles of Lal Kitab means that the Jyotishis themselves were disgusted and dis-satisfied with the prevailing systems of prognostication and one jyotishi among them " invented " a new system just as Jaimini system was invented in the name of Jaimini Rishi and Krishnamurti Padhati in the name of the founder of that Paddhati! Same is the case with several Ayanamshas---every Ayanamsha " inventor " praises his ayanamsha for accuracy in the results! As far as my studying Lal Kitab is concerned personaly, I have gone through it cursorily, since in a tans-Yamnua Posh colony in East Delhi, where I was residing till a few years back, I had a next door neighbou, a retired Professor of Psychology, who was an ardent follower of Lal Kitab for at least thirty years! I glanced through the pages of that book at his house. He was a tantrik also! People flocked to him like moths to a flame! The poor jyotishi's daughter, however, was a spinster even at the age of 33 in spite of the jyotishi-cum-tantrik having done all the remedial measures as per all the " Lal and Kali and Peeli " kitabs etc.! I also learn that even that Lal Kitab jyotishi-cum-tantrik himself had got paralytic later and was unable to speak at all! All his clients are said to have desrted him in his old age! That reminded of the words of poor Lord Cllve, " Had I served my God with half the zeal as I served my king He would not have deserted me in my old age " . Thus if that Lal Kitab jyotishi-cum-Tantrik had served God even with half the zeal as he " served " the " Lal Kitab " , He would certainly not have deserted that jyotishi when he became paralytic! Hence my humble request to jyotishis: Mother Nature does not like her secrtes about the future to be pried open! If she had wanted to keep everything before us like an open book, there was no need for her to go to absurd lengths to obliterate the memory of our earlier janmas from our psyche! You are, as such, requested to kindly do answer my questions. With regards, A K Kaul , Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@> wrote: > > Respected Kaul Sahib > Namaskar. > > Sir, I will be more than happy to answer each of your question, but before proceeding further I would like to ask you one simple question - have you ever read Lal Kitab? If yes, only then it will be appropriate for me to answer. Otherwise, it is my humble request to you to read the Lal Kitab and only then raise question on this Granth. > > > > Respectfully > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > --- On Sat, 9/20/08, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@> wrote: > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@> > Re: Welcome > > Saturday, September 20, 2008, 5:35 PM > > > > > Shri Yograj Prabhakarji, > > Namaskar! > > Would you kindly clarify a few points about your post: > > <S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or variable? > > P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > > destiny.> > > > > What is the definition of destiny according to you? Is it something > > that has been thrust on us by some supernatural power for no fault > > or merit of ours? Or is it something that we have earned ourselves > > for ourselves by dint of our own good or bad deeds? > > > > Pl. quote the concerned authorites-- -scriptures- -in support of your > > answer. > > > > <S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system > > say lal kitab? > > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles.> > > > > To the best of my knowledge, Lal Kitab principles of prediction are > > entirely different from and even contradictory to the usual " Vedic > > astrology " . It is also a very recent " discovery " (or is it > > an " invention " ? ). Do you mean to say that all the systems of > > prognostication that are/were being followed apart from Lal Kitab > > are meaningless and useless? If not, then how can the two > > contradictory streams be reconciled? > > > > We must also not forget that we have several other systems like > > Jaimini, Tazika, Prashna etc. as well that are being followed > > by " Vedic astrologers " side by side! How do those systems gell with > > Lal Kitab? > > > > < YRP - Respected Sir, suppose a person is destined to found a > > decent job, but can he/she afford to skip the interview? It is > > beyond anyone's power to stop rainfall, but what is wrong in > > protecting yourself under an umbrella? Knowing the future is just > > like the curiosity of a student who browse newspaper daily to see > > the result of his examination, and in my humble opinion It is not > > bad at all, because there are certain qualification examination for > > job seekers where participants are not informed individually. So if > > one forget to respond within time he/she may loose a potential > > chance of getting a job.> > > > > I beg your pardon! On the one hand, you have said catagorically > > that desitny cannot be altered! That means if I am destined to get > > the job, I will get it even without appearing for an interview! On > > the other hand, in the same breath, you are saying that if the > > participant has an umbrealla and if it rains, he cannot miss the > > interview! But then what is the use of his/her appearing in the > > interview if he/she is not " desitned " to get the job? How can any > > Lal or Kali or Peele or even Safed Kitab help him/her then in > > getting the job which he/she is not detined to get at all--- > > according to your own theory? > > > > Don't you think it is all a jargon to make a fool of a gullible > > person and to confuse him/her all the more who is/are already > > confused with hundreds of ayanamshas and dasha bhuktis and so many > > systems? > > > > Is that the motive of Lal Kitab and its followers? > > With regards, > > AKK > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Sabat Kumar Jain Sahib, > > > Sa'adar Pranaam > > > > > > I have answered under each of your question. > > > > > > Respectfully > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > > Namaskar, > > > Thanks for your reply. Please do not be so humble, so I may not be > > > able to reciprocate. > > > > > > YRP - You need not to reciprocate at all, but it is my right and > > the teachings of my Gurus to give full respect to a scholar, kindly > > do not deprive me of this right. > > > > > > Now I am digging further both points, which may trigger many points > > > in due course (like point no 3) > > > > > > 1 > > > S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or > > variable? > > > P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > > > destiny. > > > > > > S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of > > > knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence of > > > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do > > some > > > remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? > > > > > > YRP - Respected Sir, suppose a person is destined to found a > > decent job, but can he/she afford to skip the interview? It is > > beyond anyone's power to stop rainfall, but what is wrong in > > protecting yourself under an umbrella? Knowing the future is just > > like the curiosity of a student who browse newspaper daily to see > > the result of his examination, and in my humble opinion It is not > > bad at all, because there are certain qualification examination for > > job seekers where participants are not informed individually. So if > > one forget to respond within time he/she may loose a potential > > chance of getting a job. > > > > > > 2 > > > S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system > > say > > > lal kitab? > > > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab > > principles. > > > > > > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future event > > > instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western, > > > tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on? > > > > > > YRP - Sir, I have a bundle of arguments in favor, but I am bound > > by one of the dictum of this divine scripture called Lal Kitab that > > advised its followers never to criticize other streams of knowledge > > or its scholars to prove their point. I am > > > > > > reproducing the exact text in Roman Urdu: > > > > > > " Baat kee asliyat paaney ke liye, kisi doosrey ilm ya aalim ki > > badkhoyee se parhez > > > chahiye. " > > > > > > 3 > > > S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction can > > > correctly be known? > > > > > > YRP - There are different principles/methods defined in Lal Kitab > > for different events, It will be more appropriate if you can > > pinpoint to a particular aspect. > > > > > > I Hope you will continue to share your views and we will slowly > > move > > > in this direction. > > > > > > YRP - Sir, I joined this august group to learn from you and other > > scholars. I will continue to share my views, whenever necessary. > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 9/16/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote: > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> > > > Re: Welcome > > > > > > Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 11:00 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. Please do not be so humble, so I may not be > > > > > > able to reciprocate. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I am digging further both points, which may trigger many > > points > > > > > > in due course (like point no 3) > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 > > > > > > S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or > > variable? > > > > > > P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter > > the > > > > > > destiny. > > > > > > > > > > > > S – When we are not able to change destiny then what is the use of > > > > > > knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where every sequence of > > > > > > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any thing or do > > some > > > > > > remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 > > > > > > S– Is it possible to know any event of the future with any system > > say > > > > > > lal kitab? > > > > > > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab > > principles. > > > > > > > > > > > > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction for future > > event > > > > > > instead of so many other systems like traditional, KP, western, > > > > > > tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so on? > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 > > > > > > S – Is there any single principle in LK by which any prediction > > can > > > > > > correctly be known? > > > > > > > > > > > > I Hope you will continue to share your views and we will slowly > > move > > > > > > in this direction. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: I am not receiving any reply from Sh. Ghopal ji, Nathani ji, > > > > > > Mark, Jagannathan ji, Vijayshankar ji since long. I hope they > > will > > > > > > come out with their comments instead of observing silence. They > > must > > > > > > support there stand logically, scientifically etc.. Otherwise > > there > > > > > > is no use of interaction and one may continue with his own system > > of > > > > > > exploitation if it is bread and butter for him. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will like to request other silent members to take part in > > > > > > interaction and they may join from this msg. it-self. There msg > > will > > > > > > immediately be entered in the forum without any interference from > > the > > > > > > moderator or if they have any problem even then they must come out > > so > > > > > > that their problem may be sorted out. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will also like to request Dr. Sasikumar Ji as to why " Department > > of > > > > > > Space " (which was once explored by our sages through ved, puran > > and > > > > > > came our with some physical structure of the Universe, though it > > may > > > > > > now be not acceptable.) is not coming forward to educate our > > society, > > > > > > which is in the grip of blind faith, created by predictive > > > > > > astrologers, through Doordarshan etc. Because it is also written > > in > > > > > > our constitution that Govt will develop scientific aptitude in the > > > > > > society. I hope to get his reply in due course. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sanat Kumar Ji > > > > > > > Sa'daar Pranaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, my humble answers to your questions: > > > > > > > " 1 - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or > > > > > > variable? " > > > > > > > No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings capacity to alter the > > > > > > destiny. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " 2 – Is it possible to know any event of the future with any > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say lal kitab? > > > > > > > Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal Kitab principles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 9/14/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote: > > > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> > > > > > > > Re: Welcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 14, 2008, 11:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. So let us start from your msg it-self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not agree with your observation >>>>> I am a student of one > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the most wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kitab.<<<<< Because every body is student means every body is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learning some thing or other till death. So your comment is > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > submissive in nature instead of factual position. Hi Hi. Because > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may be student of Ph.D., but when he teach middle class student > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is teacher and he must have knowledge to answer the various > > > > > > > > > > > > > > questions of middle class. So for us you are respected teacher. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, let us be serious. We in this forum (which is only forum of > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > type) are discussing scientific admissibility of any > > predictive / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remedial astrological (related to planet) principals. So you can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss astrology (you may read first msg of march-08) or Lal > > Kitab > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc., as you please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To start with your Lal Kitab let us have some preliminary > > questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 – What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it fixed or > > variable? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 – Is it possible to know any event of the future with any > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say lal kitab? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am waiting for your observations and on the basis of answer to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these basic questions we will move further or even if you devise > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other way for discussion. I have no objection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope our discussion will be fruitful and you will continue to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gwalior > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0751-2626868 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sanat Kumar jain Sahib, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your kind words, I am a student of one of the > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonderful stream of indian Astrology known as Lal Kitab. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > originator and author of this five divine scriptures is Pt. Roop > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chand Joshi ji of village Pharwala (Distt Jalandhar) of Punjab. > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > joined this august group to learn from the vast experience of > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > luminaries present here, including your good-self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 9/11/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, September 11, 2008, 11:06 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As usual some new members have joined. I welcome all new > > members > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our forum. I find that this month some prominent members have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > joined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the forum. They are Mr. Mark Kincaid, Yograj Prabhakar, > > mindsutra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > srajesh ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We welcome and hope that new members may please come forward > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their views on astrology after going through first msg of > > March- > > > > > > 08 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and some SOA______files in the file section. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are waiting for the observations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks once again for joining the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanat Kumar Jain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gwalior > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 My dear Sanatji, Dear Sanatji, What is your idea about DESTINY /FATE / Kismat/ Luck/Bhagya ? Are these related words in any sense ? Is there any scientific definition or explanation for any them ? Is this information available in any of your files in the group? Since you are a learned person, we look forward to reading your views. Thanks & regds, VBD sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote: > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > Namaskar, > Thanks for your reply. Please do not be so humble, > so I may not be > able to reciprocate. > > Now I am digging further both points, which may > trigger many points > in due course (like point no 3) > > 1 > S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it > fixed or variable? > P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings > capacity to alter the > destiny. > > S – When we are not able to change destiny then > what is the use of > knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where > every sequence of > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any > thing or do some > remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? > > 2 > S– Is it possible to know any event of the future > with any system say > lal kitab? > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal > Kitab principles. > > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction > for future event > instead of so many other systems like traditional, > KP, western, > tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so > on? > > 3 > S – Is there any single principle in LK by which > any prediction can > correctly be known? > > I Hope you will continue to share your views and we > will slowly move > in this direction. > > Thanks, > > Yours truly, > Sanat > > > PS: I am not receiving any reply from Sh. Ghopal ji, > Nathani ji, > Mark, Jagannathan ji, Vijayshankar ji since long. I > hope they will > come out with their comments instead of observing > silence. They must > support there stand logically, scientifically etc.. > Otherwise there > is no use of interaction and one may continue with > his own system of > exploitation if it is bread and butter for him. > > I will like to request other silent members to take > part in > interaction and they may join from this msg. > it-self. There msg will > immediately be entered in the forum without any > interference from the > moderator or if they have any problem even then they > must come out so > that their problem may be sorted out. > > I will also like to request Dr. Sasikumar Ji as to > why " Department of > Space " (which was once explored by our sages through > ved, puran and > came our with some physical structure of the > Universe, though it may > now be not acceptable.) is not coming forward to > educate our society, > which is in the grip of blind faith, created by > predictive > astrologers, through Doordarshan etc. Because it is > also written in > our constitution that Govt will develop scientific > aptitude in the > society. I hope to get his reply in due course. > > > > > , Yograj > Prabhakar > <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > > > Respected Sanat Kumar Ji > > Sa'daar Pranaam. > > > > Sir, my humble answers to your questions: > > " 1 - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it > fixed or > variable? " > > No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings > capacity to alter the > destiny. > > > > > > " 2 – Is it possible to know any event of the > future with any system > > > > say lal kitab? > > Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal > Kitab principles. > > > > Respectfully > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 9/14/08, sanat2221 > <sanatkumar_jain wrote: > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain > > Re: Welcome > > > > Sunday, September 14, 2008, 11:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > > > Namaskar, > > > > Thanks for your reply. So let us start from your > msg it-self. > > > > > > > > I am not agree with your observation >>>>> I am a > student of one of > > > > the most wonderful stream of indian Astrology > known as Lal > > > > Kitab.<<<<< Because every body is student means > every body is > > > > learning some thing or other till death. So your > comment is rather > > > > submissive in nature instead of factual position. > Hi Hi. Because > one > > > > may be student of Ph.D., but when he teach middle > class student > then > > > > he is teacher and he must have knowledge to answer > the various > > > > questions of middle class. So for us you are > respected teacher. > > > > > > > > OK, let us be serious. We in this forum (which is > only forum of > this > > > > type) are discussing scientific admissibility of > any predictive / > > > > remedial astrological (related to planet) > principals. So you can > > > > discuss astrology (you may read first msg of > march-08) or Lal Kitab > > > > etc., as you please. > > > === message truncated === Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 My dear Sanatji, Dear Sanatji, What is your idea about DESTINY /FATE / Kismat/ Luck/Bhagya ? Are these related words in any sense ? Is there any scientific definition or explanation for any them ? Is this information available in any of your files in the group? Since you are a learned person, we look forward to reading your views. Thanks & regds, VBD sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote: > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > Namaskar, > Thanks for your reply. Please do not be so humble, > so I may not be > able to reciprocate. > > Now I am digging further both points, which may > trigger many points > in due course (like point no 3) > > 1 > S - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it > fixed or variable? > P- No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings > capacity to alter the > destiny. > > S – When we are not able to change destiny then > what is the use of > knowing destiny? If it is like a film show where > every sequence of > event is fixed then where is the necessity to do any > thing or do some > remedy; say remedy of lal kitab? > > 2 > S– Is it possible to know any event of the future > with any system say > lal kitab? > P- Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal > Kitab principles. > > S- What do you say, is LK is perfect in prediction > for future event > instead of so many other systems like traditional, > KP, western, > tarot, palmistry, numerology, vaastu, Nadi and so > on? > > 3 > S – Is there any single principle in LK by which > any prediction can > correctly be known? > > I Hope you will continue to share your views and we > will slowly move > in this direction. > > Thanks, > > Yours truly, > Sanat > > > PS: I am not receiving any reply from Sh. Ghopal ji, > Nathani ji, > Mark, Jagannathan ji, Vijayshankar ji since long. I > hope they will > come out with their comments instead of observing > silence. They must > support there stand logically, scientifically etc.. > Otherwise there > is no use of interaction and one may continue with > his own system of > exploitation if it is bread and butter for him. > > I will like to request other silent members to take > part in > interaction and they may join from this msg. > it-self. There msg will > immediately be entered in the forum without any > interference from the > moderator or if they have any problem even then they > must come out so > that their problem may be sorted out. > > I will also like to request Dr. Sasikumar Ji as to > why " Department of > Space " (which was once explored by our sages through > ved, puran and > came our with some physical structure of the > Universe, though it may > now be not acceptable.) is not coming forward to > educate our society, > which is in the grip of blind faith, created by > predictive > astrologers, through Doordarshan etc. Because it is > also written in > our constitution that Govt will develop scientific > aptitude in the > society. I hope to get his reply in due course. > > > > > , Yograj > Prabhakar > <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > > > Respected Sanat Kumar Ji > > Sa'daar Pranaam. > > > > Sir, my humble answers to your questions: > > " 1 - What is your opinion about the destiny? Is it > fixed or > variable? " > > No, It is beyond any ordinary human beings > capacity to alter the > destiny. > > > > > > " 2 – Is it possible to know any event of the > future with any system > > > > say lal kitab? > > Yes, events of the future can be known with Lal > Kitab principles. > > > > Respectfully > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 9/14/08, sanat2221 > <sanatkumar_jain wrote: > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain > > Re: Welcome > > > > Sunday, September 14, 2008, 11:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Prabhakar ji, > > > > Namaskar, > > > > Thanks for your reply. So let us start from your > msg it-self. > > > > > > > > I am not agree with your observation >>>>> I am a > student of one of > > > > the most wonderful stream of indian Astrology > known as Lal > > > > Kitab.<<<<< Because every body is student means > every body is > > > > learning some thing or other till death. So your > comment is rather > > > > submissive in nature instead of factual position. > Hi Hi. Because > one > > > > may be student of Ph.D., but when he teach middle > class student > then > > > > he is teacher and he must have knowledge to answer > the various > > > > questions of middle class. So for us you are > respected teacher. > > > > > > > > OK, let us be serious. We in this forum (which is > only forum of > this > > > > type) are discussing scientific admissibility of > any predictive / > > > > remedial astrological (related to planet) > principals. So you can > > > > discuss astrology (you may read first msg of > march-08) or Lal Kitab > > > > etc., as you please. > > > === message truncated === Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. Go to http://in.webmessenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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