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Dear All, Indian and American FlagsI don't mind or worry about a self proclaimed god like the lady of Sahaja dyana advt. But I have the following doubts - * Who the hell are these fanatics who falsely proclaim that Indian flag is like god to them! They are not sincere at all, since for almost all human beings with piece of cloth is simply a piece of cloth in their personal life, whether it be Indian flag or shirt or a sari. If some 'shows' or 'acts' special respect to some piece of cloth in public - usually that is with a purpose, usually because the situation demands it, and not natural feeling coming from within (because it is not required). So the first point to understand is that, those who are showing exaggerated reaction are either people with an agenda acting as per script, or people without consciousness re-acting misguided by others! This is one important point we should remember. * We and even American use American Flag for anything and everything; American flag does not require any special respect even as per Americans it seems! Same is the case with British Flag. May be this the reason behind the popularity of American and British flag in each and everything - in caps, bags, hankies and what not. It seems that we are even free to use American flag like and Indian tie :). This means that they all know what a flag is (simply a piece of cloth) and they realize that allowing people to do what they want to do with it is the best way to popularize it! (May be that is why American flag is this popular). It seems that we have a lesson to learn from them on this issue. Vedic and Nirayana systems---- May the above issue has some similarity with astrology as well. The Vedic Tropical system is like the Indian flag revered too much without purpose, and gone out of popularity due to this very reason. The Nirayana system was like the American flag, any one was free to do anything with it - yes, even to use an Indian tie. But the power and popularity it gained due to this freedom allowed (involved/inherent) was so great that it became so popular and powerful and simply out numbered the feeble supporters of the Vedic tropical system. Only some outdated orthodox AKK with a unique mix of orthodox vedic brahmanic attitude and a huge shit of name calling and blaming culture within, is there to haul all the time. I am not against AKK and is in support of him as far as the truth of Tropical system goes - but my doubt is are not becoming non-sincere and making too much noise, noise and nuisance that was not required, but with rather degrades, and out dates us?

Note: I know that there would about one or two present of people who may support this argument, publicly. But I know inherently that almost 98% present of sincere people will agree to it in private. So I don’t worry much about the response I may get for this mail.

(Be sincere to ourselves and that makes the life funny, and helps us to enjoy it a lot. )Regards,Maheswara Varma

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Dear Maheswara Varmaji,

Namaskar!

Your post is great cry but little wool!

 

You have said, " The Vedic Tropical system is like the Indian flag

revered too much without purpose, and gone out of popularity due to

this very reason. The Nirayana system was like the American flag, any

one was free to do anything with it - yes, even to use an Indian

tie. But the power and popularity it gained due to this freedom

allowed (involved/inherent) was so great that it became so popular

and powerful and simply out numbered the feeble supporters of the

Vedic tropical system. "

 

Obviously, you have read neither the Vedas nor the Vedanga Jyotisha

nor Yajur Jyotisha nor Atharva Jyotisha nor Atharva-Veda-

Parishishta! These books in a nutshell are supposed to deal with

predictive gimmicks according to you, on the basis of some predictive

system which you would like to call Tropical!

 

The confusion of Tropical and nirayana arises only when you talk

about Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis! Since there are no such curses in

any of the Vedas or any of the Vedangas as enumerated above, it is

thus just a ploy on the part of imported " Vamadevas " and

local " Parasharas " to talk of Tropical (or even nirayana!) rashis in

the Vedas! They have succeded in their ploy only because they know

that none of the Hindus will deny it since the majority of Hindus do

not know even ABC of the Vedas, and the ones who know will not go

against " His Master's Voice " ---the " masters " being imported Vamadevas

and local " Varahamihiras " and " Parasharas " and his holiness of art of

something or the other---milllions and billions of them!

 

What is all the more pathetic about your post is that you do not

appear to have any knowledge of astronomy either! For your

information, I may repeat here for the umpteenth time that there are

no neat twelve equal divisions in the zodiac astronomically either!

In fact, there cannot be any such equal divisions---whether twelve or

twenty-seven----which percludes the possibility of Mesha etc. twelve

Rashis (equal divisions) or Ashvini, Bharni etc. 27 equal nakshatra

divisions (equal, mind you!) and so on.

 

Now coming to Puranas! They do talk of Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis--

all of them! You can say that those rashis are so called Sayana

(what you call Tropical)--since Mesha Rashi according to all the

puranas is another name of (solar) Vaishakha, which is yet another

name of Vedic Madhava---when the day and night are equal---the day of

Vernal Equinox---Vasanta Sampat! Similarly, Makar Sankranti,

according to all the Puranas, is another name of Uttarayana, the

shortest day of the year, also known as Vedic month Tapah and solar

Magha....and so on and so forth!

But then that is what exactly the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha

says--- " bhanor Makar Sankranteh, shanmasa uttarayanam,

karktyadestathaiva syat shanmasa dakshinayanam " . i.e. the six months

starting from the Makara Snkranti of the sun are known as (the six

months of) Uttarayana and the six months from the start of Karka

Snakranti are known as (six months of) Dakshinayana " ...and so on!

 

You could have thus said that the so called Tropical Rashis are

Pauranic but since prior to the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha,

we do not find any mention of any Mesha,Vrisha etc. rashis in any

indigenous astronomical work, the question that begs an answer is as

to wherefrom would the Puranas have calculated those ingresses in

Mesha, Vrsiha etc. rashis, even if they were so called sayana! Thus

the only conclusion we arrive at is that all these Mesha, Vrisha etc.

Rashis in the Puranas are post Surya Sidhanta interpolations! This

fact gets confirmed further since we do not find any Mesha, Vrisha

etc. Rashis in the Mbh either, though we find Ashvini, Bharni etc.

nakshatras therein times without number.

 

Yet another proof supporting that the Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis in

the Puranas are post Surya Sidhanta is the sordid fact that the

planetary elements in the Narada Purana and Agni Purana etc. are a

ditto copy of some of the sholkas from the Surya Sidhanta---so much

so that even the interpolated shlokas about Ayanamsha in the Surya

Sidhanta---those interpolations in the SS are post nith century CE!---

have been incorporated in Narada Purana! That means that that Purana

is a compilation of at least tenth century CE.

 

Similarly, in the Vishnudharmotarapurana, the planetary elements have

been lifted without bating an eyelid from Brahma-Sphuta-Sidhanta of

Brahma-Gupta! That in itself confirms that that work is a concoction

of post seveth century CE!

 

Thus your point that, " I am not against AKK and is in support of him

as far as the truth of Tropical system goes - but my doubt is are not

becoming non-sincere and making too much noise, noise and nuisance

that was not required, but with rather degrades, and out dates us? "

itself goes against you since it is people like you who classify the

Vedic Rashis as Tropical or nirayana etc. etc. when the fact of the

matter is that there are no such curses in them!

 

What you are thus advocating as Vedic---the Tropical Mesha, Vrisha

etc. Rashis--are in fact Sanskrit equivalents of Greek constellations

Aries, Taurus etc. which were incorporated by Maya the mlechha in his

Surya Sidhanta and later propagated by one of the worst charlatans

viz. Varahamihra!

So the million dollar question is as to who is degrading the Vedas

and the real Vamadevas? You and others of your clan or AKK the

crusader against such adharma of celebrating Pitra-Amavasya on the

day of actual Dipavali and Navratras later by one month and so on?

Why are you doing so and why do you want to continue to do so---

degrading the Vedas and celebrating all your festivals on worng days?-

- all in the name of your self-created confusion of Tropical versus

nirayana and so on?

Have some fear of God in your heart, after all! You have to face Him

one day! He is really very ruthless--- " bheesha asmad vatah

pavtge....mrityur dhavati panchamah " (It is out of fear of THAT that

the winds keep on blowing and even YAMA keeps on doing His duty--

killing one and sundry). As such, for God's sake, don't propagate

adharma as dharma i.e. predictive gimmicks as Vedic astrology and

don't celebrate festivals and muhurtas on worng days!

With regards,

A K Kaul

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " maheswara_varma "

<maheswara_varma wrote:

>

>

> Dear All,

> Indian and American Flags

>

> I don't mind or worry about a self proclaimed god like the lady of

> Sahaja dyana advt. But I have the following doubts -

> * Who the hell are these fanatics who falsely proclaim that

Indian

> flag is like god to them! They are not sincere at all, since for

almost

> all human beings with piece of cloth is simply a piece of cloth in

their

> personal life, whether it be Indian flag or shirt or a sari. If

some

> 'shows' or 'acts' special respect to some piece of cloth in public -

> usually that is with a purpose, usually because the situation

demands

> it, and not natural feeling coming from within (because it is not

> required). So the first point to understand is that, those who are

> showing exaggerated reaction are either people with an agenda

acting as

> per script, or people without consciousness re-acting misguided by

> others! This is one important point we should remember.

> * We and even American use American Flag for anything and

everything;

> American flag does not require any special respect even as per

Americans

> it seems! Same is the case with British Flag. May be this the reason

> behind the popularity of American and British flag in each and

> everything - in caps, bags, hankies and what not. It seems that we

are

> even free to use American flag like and Indian tie :). This means

that

> they all know what a flag is (simply a piece of cloth) and they

realize

> that allowing people to do what they want to do with it is the best

way

> to popularize it! (May be that is why American flag is this

popular). It

> seems that we have a lesson to learn from them on this issue.

>

> Vedic and Nirayana systems

> ----

> May the above issue has some similarity with astrology as

well.

> The Vedic Tropical system is like the Indian flag revered too much

> without purpose, and gone out of popularity due to this very

reason. The

> Nirayana system was like the American flag, any one was free to do

> anything with it - yes, even to use an Indian tie. But the power

and

> popularity it gained due to this freedom allowed

(involved/inherent) was

> so great that it became so popular and powerful and simply out

numbered

> the feeble supporters of the Vedic tropical system. Only some

outdated

> orthodox AKK with a unique mix of orthodox vedic brahmanic attitude

and

> a huge shit of name calling and blaming culture within, is there to

haul

> all the time. I am not against AKK and is in support of him as far

as

> the truth of Tropical system goes - but my doubt is are not becoming

> non-sincere and making too much noise, noise and nuisance that was

not

> required, but with rather degrades, and out dates us?

>

> Note: I know that there would about one or two present of people

who may

> support this argument, publicly. But I know inherently that almost

98%

> present of sincere people will agree to it in private. So I don’t

> worry much about the response I may get for this mail.

>

> (Be sincere to ourselves and that makes the life funny, and

helps us

> to enjoy it a lot. [:)] )

> Regards,

> Maheswara Varma

>

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Dear AKK,

As usual you howl again, as usual without purpose, and on

wrong instance and individual!!!

// it is thus just a ploy on the part of imported "Vamadevas"

and local "Parasharas" to talk ..//

// the ones who know will not go against "His Master's

Voice"---the "masters" being imported Vamadevas and

local "Varahamihiras" and "Parasharas" and his holiness of

art of something or the other//

// incorporated by Maya the mlechha in his Surya Sidhanta and later

propagated by one of the worst charlatans viz. Varahamihra!//

 

Pathetic! Alas, poor man! What else I can say?!! I didn't say anything in

support or against neither the Tropicalists or the Nirayana favorists - I was

just speaking about the common human attitudes and results (by taking American/Indian

flags and Tropical/Nirayana astrology as examples).

But you cannot save yourself from the hard grown habits. Look at yourself

man! Where this inherent boiling hatred will lead you to?!! Just relax!!!//> Obviously, you have read neither the Vedas nor the Vedanga Jyotisha > nor Yajur Jyotisha nor Atharva Jyotisha nor Atharva-Veda-> Parishishta! These books in a nutshell are supposed to deal with > predictive gimmicks according to you, on the basis of some predictive > system which you would like to call Tropical!// What is all this nonsense?!! Where did I say all this? How can

you judge from a single mail, what I read and what not? From where you got the

Idea that I ever spoke about some stupid parisishtas etc, in this group or

other?! Just don't be psychedelic or psychiatric. Just relax, and respond

to the mail based on this written in the mail. Please don't imagine and over

react too much - that may cause you to end up in an asylum. I or anyone else in this group may not wish

such things to happen for an individual who might have dedicated many of his

years for the study of 'vedic tropical calendar system'. Please....Please relax....and be realistic..

Regards,

Maheswara Varma , "Avtar Krishen Kaul" <jyotirved wrote:>> Dear Maheswara Varmaji,> Namaskar!> Your post is great cry but little wool!> > You have said, "The Vedic Tropical system is like the Indian flag > revered too much without purpose, and gone out of popularity due to > this very reason. The Nirayana system was like the American flag, any > one was free to do anything with it - yes, even to use an Indian > tie. But the power and popularity it gained due to this freedom > allowed (involved/inherent) was so great that it became so popular > and powerful and simply out numbered the feeble supporters of the > Vedic tropical system."> > Obviously, you have read neither the Vedas nor the Vedanga Jyotisha > nor Yajur Jyotisha nor Atharva Jyotisha nor Atharva-Veda-> Parishishta! These books in a nutshell are supposed to deal with > predictive gimmicks according to you, on the basis of some predictive > system which you would like to call Tropical!> > The confusion of Tropical and nirayana arises only when you talk > about Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis! Since there are no such curses in > any of the Vedas or any of the Vedangas as enumerated above, it is > thus just a ploy on the part of imported "Vamadevas" and > local "Parasharas" to talk of Tropical (or even nirayana!) rashis in > the Vedas! They have succeded in their ploy only because they know > that none of the Hindus will deny it since the majority of Hindus do > not know even ABC of the Vedas, and the ones who know will not go > against "His Master's Voice"---the "masters" being imported Vamadevas > and local "Varahamihiras" and "Parasharas" and his holiness of art of > something or the other---milllions and billions of them!> > What is all the more pathetic about your post is that you do not > appear to have any knowledge of astronomy either! For your > information, I may repeat here for the umpteenth time that there are > no neat twelve equal divisions in the zodiac astronomically either! > In fact, there cannot be any such equal divisions---whether twelve or > twenty-seven----which percludes the possibility of Mesha etc. twelve > Rashis (equal divisions) or Ashvini, Bharni etc. 27 equal nakshatra > divisions (equal, mind you!) and so on.> > Now coming to Puranas! They do talk of Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis--> all of them! You can say that those rashis are so called Sayana > (what you call Tropical)--since Mesha Rashi according to all the > puranas is another name of (solar) Vaishakha, which is yet another > name of Vedic Madhava---when the day and night are equal---the day of > Vernal Equinox---Vasanta Sampat! Similarly, Makar Sankranti, > according to all the Puranas, is another name of Uttarayana, the > shortest day of the year, also known as Vedic month Tapah and solar > Magha....and so on and so forth!> But then that is what exactly the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha > says---"bhanor Makar Sankranteh, shanmasa uttarayanam, > karktyadestathaiva syat shanmasa dakshinayanam". i.e. the six months > starting from the Makara Snkranti of the sun are known as (the six > months of) Uttarayana and the six months from the start of Karka > Snakranti are known as (six months of) Dakshinayana"...and so on!> > You could have thus said that the so called Tropical Rashis are > Pauranic but since prior to the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha, > we do not find any mention of any Mesha,Vrisha etc. rashis in any > indigenous astronomical work, the question that begs an answer is as > to wherefrom would the Puranas have calculated those ingresses in > Mesha, Vrsiha etc. rashis, even if they were so called sayana! Thus > the only conclusion we arrive at is that all these Mesha, Vrisha etc. > Rashis in the Puranas are post Surya Sidhanta interpolations! This > fact gets confirmed further since we do not find any Mesha, Vrisha > etc. Rashis in the Mbh either, though we find Ashvini, Bharni etc. > nakshatras therein times without number.> > Yet another proof supporting that the Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis in > the Puranas are post Surya Sidhanta is the sordid fact that the > planetary elements in the Narada Purana and Agni Purana etc. are a > ditto copy of some of the sholkas from the Surya Sidhanta---so much > so that even the interpolated shlokas about Ayanamsha in the Surya > Sidhanta---those interpolations in the SS are post nith century CE!---> have been incorporated in Narada Purana! That means that that Purana > is a compilation of at least tenth century CE.> > Similarly, in the Vishnudharmotarapurana, the planetary elements have > been lifted without bating an eyelid from Brahma-Sphuta-Sidhanta of > Brahma-Gupta! That in itself confirms that that work is a concoction > of post seveth century CE!> > Thus your point that, "I am not against AKK and is in support of him > as far as the truth of Tropical system goes - but my doubt is are not > becoming non-sincere and making too much noise, noise and nuisance > that was not required, but with rather degrades, and out dates us?" > itself goes against you since it is people like you who classify the > Vedic Rashis as Tropical or nirayana etc. etc. when the fact of the > matter is that there are no such curses in them!> > What you are thus advocating as Vedic---the Tropical Mesha, Vrisha > etc. Rashis--are in fact Sanskrit equivalents of Greek constellations > Aries, Taurus etc. which were incorporated by Maya the mlechha in his > Surya Sidhanta and later propagated by one of the worst charlatans > viz. Varahamihra!> So the million dollar question is as to who is degrading the Vedas > and the real Vamadevas? You and others of your clan or AKK the > crusader against such adharma of celebrating Pitra-Amavasya on the > day of actual Dipavali and Navratras later by one month and so on? > Why are you doing so and why do you want to continue to do so---> degrading the Vedas and celebrating all your festivals on worng days?-> - all in the name of your self-created confusion of Tropical versus > nirayana and so on?> Have some fear of God in your heart, after all! You have to face Him > one day! He is really very ruthless---"bheesha asmad vatah > pavtge....mrityur dhavati panchamah" (It is out of fear of THAT that > the winds keep on blowing and even YAMA keeps on doing His duty--> killing one and sundry). As such, for God's sake, don't propagate > adharma as dharma i.e. predictive gimmicks as Vedic astrology and > don't celebrate festivals and muhurtas on worng days!> With regards,> A K Kaul> > > > > > > , "maheswara_varma" > maheswara_varma@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear All,> > Indian and American Flags> > > > I don't mind or worry about a self proclaimed god like the lady of> > Sahaja dyana advt. But I have the following doubts -> > * Who the hell are these fanatics who falsely proclaim that > Indian> > flag is like god to them! They are not sincere at all, since for > almost> > all human beings with piece of cloth is simply a piece of cloth in > their> > personal life, whether it be Indian flag or shirt or a sari. If > some> > 'shows' or 'acts' special respect to some piece of cloth in public -> > usually that is with a purpose, usually because the situation > demands> > it, and not natural feeling coming from within (because it is not> > required). So the first point to understand is that, those who are> > showing exaggerated reaction are either people with an agenda > acting as> > per script, or people without consciousness re-acting misguided by> > others! This is one important point we should remember.> > * We and even American use American Flag for anything and > everything;> > American flag does not require any special respect even as per > Americans> > it seems! Same is the case with British Flag. May be this the reason> > behind the popularity of American and British flag in each and> > everything - in caps, bags, hankies and what not. It seems that we > are> > even free to use American flag like and Indian tie :). This means > that> > they all know what a flag is (simply a piece of cloth) and they > realize> > that allowing people to do what they want to do with it is the best > way> > to popularize it! (May be that is why American flag is this > popular). It> > seems that we have a lesson to learn from them on this issue.> > > > Vedic and Nirayana systems> > ----> > May the above issue has some similarity with astrology as > well. > > The Vedic Tropical system is like the Indian flag revered too much> > without purpose, and gone out of popularity due to this very > reason. The> > Nirayana system was like the American flag, any one was free to do> > anything with it - yes, even to use an Indian tie. But the power > and> > popularity it gained due to this freedom allowed > (involved/inherent) was> > so great that it became so popular and powerful and simply out > numbered> > the feeble supporters of the Vedic tropical system. Only some > outdated> > orthodox AKK with a unique mix of orthodox vedic brahmanic attitude > and> > a huge shit of name calling and blaming culture within, is there to > haul> > all the time. I am not against AKK and is in support of him as far > as> > the truth of Tropical system goes - but my doubt is are not becoming> > non-sincere and making too much noise, noise and nuisance that was > not> > required, but with rather degrades, and out dates us?> > > > Note: I know that there would about one or two present of people > who may> > support this argument, publicly. But I know inherently that almost > 98%> > present of sincere people will agree to it in private. So I don’t> > worry much about the response I may get for this mail.> > > > (Be sincere to ourselves and that makes the life funny, and > helps us> > to enjoy it a lot. [:)] )> > Regards,> > Maheswara Varma> >>

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Dear Well-wisher!

In your original post you had said " The Vedic Tropical system is

like the Indian flag " . Now you have said " such things to

>happen for an individual who might have dedicated many of his years

for the study of 'vedic tropical calendar system "

And above all you say, you have not said anythng like that!

But then such denials from " Vedic astrologers " are nothing new for as

I am well accustomed to them. In fact, I would be surprised if there

were no such denials.

Dhanyavad.

AKK

, " maheswara_varma "

<maheswara_varma wrote:

>

> Dear AKK,

> As usual you howl again, as usual without purpose, and on wrong

> instance and individual!!!

> // it is thus just a ploy on the part of imported " Vamadevas " and

> local " Parasharas " to talk ..//

> // the ones who know will not go against " His Master's Voice " ---

the

> " masters " being imported Vamadevas and local " Varahamihiras " and

> " Parasharas " and his holiness of art of something or the other//

> // incorporated by Maya the mlechha in his Surya Sidhanta and

later

> propagated by one of the worst charlatans viz. Varahamihra!//

>

> Pathetic! Alas, poor man! What else I can say?!! I didn't say

anything

> in support or against neither the Tropicalists or the Nirayana

favorists

> - I was just speaking about the common human attitudes and results

(by

> taking American/Indian flags and Tropical/Nirayana astrology as

> examples). [:)]

> But you cannot save yourself from the hard grown habits. Look at

> yourself man! Where this inherent boiling hatred will lead you to?!!

> Just relax!!!

> //> Obviously, you have read neither the Vedas nor the Vedanga

Jyotisha

> > nor Yajur Jyotisha nor Atharva Jyotisha nor Atharva-Veda-

> > Parishishta! These books in a nutshell are supposed to deal with

> > predictive gimmicks according to you, on the basis of some

predictive

> > system which you would like to call Tropical!//

>

> What is all this nonsense?!! Where did I say all this? How can

you

> judge from a single mail, what I read and what not? From where you

got

> the Idea that I ever spoke about some stupid parisishtas etc, in

this

> group or other?! Just don't be psychedelic or psychiatric. Just

relax,

> and respond to the mail based on this written in the mail. Please

don't

> imagine and over react too much - that may cause you to end up in an

> asylum. I or anyone else in this group may not wish such things to

> happen for an individual who might have dedicated many of his years

for

> the study of 'vedic tropical calendar system'. Please....Please

> relax....and be realistic..

> Regards,

> Maheswara Varma

>

> , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> <jyotirved@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Maheswara Varmaji,

> > Namaskar!

> > Your post is great cry but little wool!

> >

> > You have said, " The Vedic Tropical system is like the Indian flag

> > revered too much without purpose, and gone out of popularity due

to

> > this very reason. The Nirayana system was like the American flag,

any

> > one was free to do anything with it - yes, even to use an Indian

> > tie. But the power and popularity it gained due to this freedom

> > allowed (involved/inherent) was so great that it became so popular

> > and powerful and simply out numbered the feeble supporters of the

> > Vedic tropical system. "

> >

> > Obviously, you have read neither the Vedas nor the Vedanga

Jyotisha

> > nor Yajur Jyotisha nor Atharva Jyotisha nor Atharva-Veda-

> > Parishishta! These books in a nutshell are supposed to deal with

> > predictive gimmicks according to you, on the basis of some

predictive

> > system which you would like to call Tropical!

> >

> > The confusion of Tropical and nirayana arises only when you talk

> > about Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis! Since there are no such curses

in

> > any of the Vedas or any of the Vedangas as enumerated above, it is

> > thus just a ploy on the part of imported " Vamadevas " and

> > local " Parasharas " to talk of Tropical (or even nirayana!) rashis

in

> > the Vedas! They have succeded in their ploy only because they

know

> > that none of the Hindus will deny it since the majority of Hindus

do

> > not know even ABC of the Vedas, and the ones who know will not go

> > against " His Master's Voice " ---the " masters " being imported

Vamadevas

> > and local " Varahamihiras " and " Parasharas " and his holiness of

art of

> > something or the other---milllions and billions of them!

> >

> > What is all the more pathetic about your post is that you do not

> > appear to have any knowledge of astronomy either! For your

> > information, I may repeat here for the umpteenth time that there

are

> > no neat twelve equal divisions in the zodiac astronomically

either!

> > In fact, there cannot be any such equal divisions---whether

twelve or

> > twenty-seven----which percludes the possibility of Mesha etc.

twelve

> > Rashis (equal divisions) or Ashvini, Bharni etc. 27 equal

nakshatra

> > divisions (equal, mind you!) and so on.

> >

> > Now coming to Puranas! They do talk of Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis-

-

> > all of them! You can say that those rashis are so called Sayana

> > (what you call Tropical)--since Mesha Rashi according to all the

> > puranas is another name of (solar) Vaishakha, which is yet another

> > name of Vedic Madhava---when the day and night are equal---the

day of

> > Vernal Equinox---Vasanta Sampat! Similarly, Makar Sankranti,

> > according to all the Puranas, is another name of Uttarayana, the

> > shortest day of the year, also known as Vedic month Tapah and

solar

> > Magha....and so on and so forth!

> > But then that is what exactly the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the

mlechha

> > says--- " bhanor Makar Sankranteh, shanmasa uttarayanam,

> > karktyadestathaiva syat shanmasa dakshinayanam " . i.e. the six

months

> > starting from the Makara Snkranti of the sun are known as (the six

> > months of) Uttarayana and the six months from the start of Karka

> > Snakranti are known as (six months of) Dakshinayana " ...and so on!

> >

> > You could have thus said that the so called Tropical Rashis are

> > Pauranic but since prior to the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the

mlechha,

> > we do not find any mention of any Mesha,Vrisha etc. rashis in any

> > indigenous astronomical work, the question that begs an answer is

as

> > to wherefrom would the Puranas have calculated those ingresses in

> > Mesha, Vrsiha etc. rashis, even if they were so called sayana!

Thus

> > the only conclusion we arrive at is that all these Mesha, Vrisha

etc.

> > Rashis in the Puranas are post Surya Sidhanta interpolations!

This

> > fact gets confirmed further since we do not find any Mesha, Vrisha

> > etc. Rashis in the Mbh either, though we find Ashvini, Bharni etc.

> > nakshatras therein times without number.

> >

> > Yet another proof supporting that the Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis in

> > the Puranas are post Surya Sidhanta is the sordid fact that the

> > planetary elements in the Narada Purana and Agni Purana etc. are a

> > ditto copy of some of the sholkas from the Surya Sidhanta---so

much

> > so that even the interpolated shlokas about Ayanamsha in the Surya

> > Sidhanta---those interpolations in the SS are post nith century

CE!---

> > have been incorporated in Narada Purana! That means that that

Purana

> > is a compilation of at least tenth century CE.

> >

> > Similarly, in the Vishnudharmotarapurana, the planetary elements

have

> > been lifted without bating an eyelid from Brahma-Sphuta-Sidhanta

of

> > Brahma-Gupta! That in itself confirms that that work is a

concoction

> > of post seveth century CE!

> >

> > Thus your point that, " I am not against AKK and is in support of

him

> > as far as the truth of Tropical system goes - but my doubt is are

not

> > becoming non-sincere and making too much noise, noise and nuisance

> > that was not required, but with rather degrades, and out dates

us? "

> > itself goes against you since it is people like you who classify

the

> > Vedic Rashis as Tropical or nirayana etc. etc. when the fact of

the

> > matter is that there are no such curses in them!

> >

> > What you are thus advocating as Vedic---the Tropical Mesha, Vrisha

> > etc. Rashis--are in fact Sanskrit equivalents of Greek

constellations

> > Aries, Taurus etc. which were incorporated by Maya the mlechha in

his

> > Surya Sidhanta and later propagated by one of the worst charlatans

> > viz. Varahamihra!

> > So the million dollar question is as to who is degrading the Vedas

> > and the real Vamadevas? You and others of your clan or AKK the

> > crusader against such adharma of celebrating Pitra-Amavasya on the

> > day of actual Dipavali and Navratras later by one month and so on?

> > Why are you doing so and why do you want to continue to do so---

> > degrading the Vedas and celebrating all your festivals on worng

days?-

> > - all in the name of your self-created confusion of Tropical

versus

> > nirayana and so on?

> > Have some fear of God in your heart, after all! You have to face

Him

> > one day! He is really very ruthless--- " bheesha asmad vatah

> > pavtge....mrityur dhavati panchamah " (It is out of fear of THAT

that

> > the winds keep on blowing and even YAMA keeps on doing His duty--

> > killing one and sundry). As such, for God's sake, don't propagate

> > adharma as dharma i.e. predictive gimmicks as Vedic astrology and

> > don't celebrate festivals and muhurtas on worng days!

> > With regards,

> > A K Kaul

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " maheswara_varma "

> > maheswara_varma@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > > Indian and American Flags

> > >

> > > I don't mind or worry about a self proclaimed god like the lady

of

> > > Sahaja dyana advt. But I have the following doubts -

> > > * Who the hell are these fanatics who falsely proclaim that

> > Indian

> > > flag is like god to them! They are not sincere at all, since

for

> > almost

> > > all human beings with piece of cloth is simply a piece of cloth

in

> > their

> > > personal life, whether it be Indian flag or shirt or a sari. If

> > some

> > > 'shows' or 'acts' special respect to some piece of cloth in

public -

> > > usually that is with a purpose, usually because the situation

> > demands

> > > it, and not natural feeling coming from within (because it is

not

> > > required). So the first point to understand is that, those who

are

> > > showing exaggerated reaction are either people with an agenda

> > acting as

> > > per script, or people without consciousness re-acting misguided

by

> > > others! This is one important point we should remember.

> > > * We and even American use American Flag for anything and

> > everything;

> > > American flag does not require any special respect even as per

> > Americans

> > > it seems! Same is the case with British Flag. May be this the

reason

> > > behind the popularity of American and British flag in each and

> > > everything - in caps, bags, hankies and what not. It seems that

we

> > are

> > > even free to use American flag like and Indian tie :). This

means

> > that

> > > they all know what a flag is (simply a piece of cloth) and they

> > realize

> > > that allowing people to do what they want to do with it is the

best

> > way

> > > to popularize it! (May be that is why American flag is this

> > popular). It

> > > seems that we have a lesson to learn from them on this issue.

> > >

> > > Vedic and Nirayana systems

> > > ----

> > > May the above issue has some similarity with astrology as

> > well.

> > > The Vedic Tropical system is like the Indian flag revered too

much

> > > without purpose, and gone out of popularity due to this very

> > reason. The

> > > Nirayana system was like the American flag, any one was free to

do

> > > anything with it - yes, even to use an Indian tie. But the

power

> > and

> > > popularity it gained due to this freedom allowed

> > (involved/inherent) was

> > > so great that it became so popular and powerful and simply out

> > numbered

> > > the feeble supporters of the Vedic tropical system. Only some

> > outdated

> > > orthodox AKK with a unique mix of orthodox vedic brahmanic

attitude

> > and

> > > a huge shit of name calling and blaming culture within, is

there to

> > haul

> > > all the time. I am not against AKK and is in support of him as

far

> > as

> > > the truth of Tropical system goes - but my doubt is are not

becoming

> > > non-sincere and making too much noise, noise and nuisance that

was

> > not

> > > required, but with rather degrades, and out dates us?

> > >

> > > Note: I know that there would about one or two present of people

> > who may

> > > support this argument, publicly. But I know inherently that

almost

> > 98%

> > > present of sincere people will agree to it in private. So I

> don’t

> > > worry much about the response I may get for this mail.

> > >

> > > (Be sincere to ourselves and that makes the life funny, and

> > helps us

> > > to enjoy it a lot. [:)] )

> > > Regards,

> > > Maheswara Varma

> > >

> >

>

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