Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Dear All, Indian and American FlagsI don't mind or worry about a self proclaimed god like the lady of Sahaja dyana advt. But I have the following doubts - * Who the hell are these fanatics who falsely proclaim that Indian flag is like god to them! They are not sincere at all, since for almost all human beings with piece of cloth is simply a piece of cloth in their personal life, whether it be Indian flag or shirt or a sari. If some 'shows' or 'acts' special respect to some piece of cloth in public - usually that is with a purpose, usually because the situation demands it, and not natural feeling coming from within (because it is not required). So the first point to understand is that, those who are showing exaggerated reaction are either people with an agenda acting as per script, or people without consciousness re-acting misguided by others! This is one important point we should remember. * We and even American use American Flag for anything and everything; American flag does not require any special respect even as per Americans it seems! Same is the case with British Flag. May be this the reason behind the popularity of American and British flag in each and everything - in caps, bags, hankies and what not. It seems that we are even free to use American flag like and Indian tie . This means that they all know what a flag is (simply a piece of cloth) and they realize that allowing people to do what they want to do with it is the best way to popularize it! (May be that is why American flag is this popular). It seems that we have a lesson to learn from them on this issue. Vedic and Nirayana systems---- May the above issue has some similarity with astrology as well. The Vedic Tropical system is like the Indian flag revered too much without purpose, and gone out of popularity due to this very reason. The Nirayana system was like the American flag, any one was free to do anything with it - yes, even to use an Indian tie. But the power and popularity it gained due to this freedom allowed (involved/inherent) was so great that it became so popular and powerful and simply out numbered the feeble supporters of the Vedic tropical system. Only some outdated orthodox AKK with a unique mix of orthodox vedic brahmanic attitude and a huge shit of name calling and blaming culture within, is there to haul all the time. I am not against AKK and is in support of him as far as the truth of Tropical system goes - but my doubt is are not becoming non-sincere and making too much noise, noise and nuisance that was not required, but with rather degrades, and out dates us? Note: I know that there would about one or two present of people who may support this argument, publicly. But I know inherently that almost 98% present of sincere people will agree to it in private. So I don’t worry much about the response I may get for this mail. (Be sincere to ourselves and that makes the life funny, and helps us to enjoy it a lot. )Regards,Maheswara Varma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Dear Maheswara Varmaji, Namaskar! Your post is great cry but little wool! You have said, " The Vedic Tropical system is like the Indian flag revered too much without purpose, and gone out of popularity due to this very reason. The Nirayana system was like the American flag, any one was free to do anything with it - yes, even to use an Indian tie. But the power and popularity it gained due to this freedom allowed (involved/inherent) was so great that it became so popular and powerful and simply out numbered the feeble supporters of the Vedic tropical system. " Obviously, you have read neither the Vedas nor the Vedanga Jyotisha nor Yajur Jyotisha nor Atharva Jyotisha nor Atharva-Veda- Parishishta! These books in a nutshell are supposed to deal with predictive gimmicks according to you, on the basis of some predictive system which you would like to call Tropical! The confusion of Tropical and nirayana arises only when you talk about Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis! Since there are no such curses in any of the Vedas or any of the Vedangas as enumerated above, it is thus just a ploy on the part of imported " Vamadevas " and local " Parasharas " to talk of Tropical (or even nirayana!) rashis in the Vedas! They have succeded in their ploy only because they know that none of the Hindus will deny it since the majority of Hindus do not know even ABC of the Vedas, and the ones who know will not go against " His Master's Voice " ---the " masters " being imported Vamadevas and local " Varahamihiras " and " Parasharas " and his holiness of art of something or the other---milllions and billions of them! What is all the more pathetic about your post is that you do not appear to have any knowledge of astronomy either! For your information, I may repeat here for the umpteenth time that there are no neat twelve equal divisions in the zodiac astronomically either! In fact, there cannot be any such equal divisions---whether twelve or twenty-seven----which percludes the possibility of Mesha etc. twelve Rashis (equal divisions) or Ashvini, Bharni etc. 27 equal nakshatra divisions (equal, mind you!) and so on. Now coming to Puranas! They do talk of Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis-- all of them! You can say that those rashis are so called Sayana (what you call Tropical)--since Mesha Rashi according to all the puranas is another name of (solar) Vaishakha, which is yet another name of Vedic Madhava---when the day and night are equal---the day of Vernal Equinox---Vasanta Sampat! Similarly, Makar Sankranti, according to all the Puranas, is another name of Uttarayana, the shortest day of the year, also known as Vedic month Tapah and solar Magha....and so on and so forth! But then that is what exactly the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha says--- " bhanor Makar Sankranteh, shanmasa uttarayanam, karktyadestathaiva syat shanmasa dakshinayanam " . i.e. the six months starting from the Makara Snkranti of the sun are known as (the six months of) Uttarayana and the six months from the start of Karka Snakranti are known as (six months of) Dakshinayana " ...and so on! You could have thus said that the so called Tropical Rashis are Pauranic but since prior to the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha, we do not find any mention of any Mesha,Vrisha etc. rashis in any indigenous astronomical work, the question that begs an answer is as to wherefrom would the Puranas have calculated those ingresses in Mesha, Vrsiha etc. rashis, even if they were so called sayana! Thus the only conclusion we arrive at is that all these Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis in the Puranas are post Surya Sidhanta interpolations! This fact gets confirmed further since we do not find any Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis in the Mbh either, though we find Ashvini, Bharni etc. nakshatras therein times without number. Yet another proof supporting that the Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis in the Puranas are post Surya Sidhanta is the sordid fact that the planetary elements in the Narada Purana and Agni Purana etc. are a ditto copy of some of the sholkas from the Surya Sidhanta---so much so that even the interpolated shlokas about Ayanamsha in the Surya Sidhanta---those interpolations in the SS are post nith century CE!--- have been incorporated in Narada Purana! That means that that Purana is a compilation of at least tenth century CE. Similarly, in the Vishnudharmotarapurana, the planetary elements have been lifted without bating an eyelid from Brahma-Sphuta-Sidhanta of Brahma-Gupta! That in itself confirms that that work is a concoction of post seveth century CE! Thus your point that, " I am not against AKK and is in support of him as far as the truth of Tropical system goes - but my doubt is are not becoming non-sincere and making too much noise, noise and nuisance that was not required, but with rather degrades, and out dates us? " itself goes against you since it is people like you who classify the Vedic Rashis as Tropical or nirayana etc. etc. when the fact of the matter is that there are no such curses in them! What you are thus advocating as Vedic---the Tropical Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis--are in fact Sanskrit equivalents of Greek constellations Aries, Taurus etc. which were incorporated by Maya the mlechha in his Surya Sidhanta and later propagated by one of the worst charlatans viz. Varahamihra! So the million dollar question is as to who is degrading the Vedas and the real Vamadevas? You and others of your clan or AKK the crusader against such adharma of celebrating Pitra-Amavasya on the day of actual Dipavali and Navratras later by one month and so on? Why are you doing so and why do you want to continue to do so--- degrading the Vedas and celebrating all your festivals on worng days?- - all in the name of your self-created confusion of Tropical versus nirayana and so on? Have some fear of God in your heart, after all! You have to face Him one day! He is really very ruthless--- " bheesha asmad vatah pavtge....mrityur dhavati panchamah " (It is out of fear of THAT that the winds keep on blowing and even YAMA keeps on doing His duty-- killing one and sundry). As such, for God's sake, don't propagate adharma as dharma i.e. predictive gimmicks as Vedic astrology and don't celebrate festivals and muhurtas on worng days! With regards, A K Kaul , " maheswara_varma " <maheswara_varma wrote: > > > Dear All, > Indian and American Flags > > I don't mind or worry about a self proclaimed god like the lady of > Sahaja dyana advt. But I have the following doubts - > * Who the hell are these fanatics who falsely proclaim that Indian > flag is like god to them! They are not sincere at all, since for almost > all human beings with piece of cloth is simply a piece of cloth in their > personal life, whether it be Indian flag or shirt or a sari. If some > 'shows' or 'acts' special respect to some piece of cloth in public - > usually that is with a purpose, usually because the situation demands > it, and not natural feeling coming from within (because it is not > required). So the first point to understand is that, those who are > showing exaggerated reaction are either people with an agenda acting as > per script, or people without consciousness re-acting misguided by > others! This is one important point we should remember. > * We and even American use American Flag for anything and everything; > American flag does not require any special respect even as per Americans > it seems! Same is the case with British Flag. May be this the reason > behind the popularity of American and British flag in each and > everything - in caps, bags, hankies and what not. It seems that we are > even free to use American flag like and Indian tie . This means that > they all know what a flag is (simply a piece of cloth) and they realize > that allowing people to do what they want to do with it is the best way > to popularize it! (May be that is why American flag is this popular). It > seems that we have a lesson to learn from them on this issue. > > Vedic and Nirayana systems > ---- > May the above issue has some similarity with astrology as well. > The Vedic Tropical system is like the Indian flag revered too much > without purpose, and gone out of popularity due to this very reason. The > Nirayana system was like the American flag, any one was free to do > anything with it - yes, even to use an Indian tie. But the power and > popularity it gained due to this freedom allowed (involved/inherent) was > so great that it became so popular and powerful and simply out numbered > the feeble supporters of the Vedic tropical system. Only some outdated > orthodox AKK with a unique mix of orthodox vedic brahmanic attitude and > a huge shit of name calling and blaming culture within, is there to haul > all the time. I am not against AKK and is in support of him as far as > the truth of Tropical system goes - but my doubt is are not becoming > non-sincere and making too much noise, noise and nuisance that was not > required, but with rather degrades, and out dates us? > > Note: I know that there would about one or two present of people who may > support this argument, publicly. But I know inherently that almost 98% > present of sincere people will agree to it in private. So I don’t > worry much about the response I may get for this mail. > > (Be sincere to ourselves and that makes the life funny, and helps us > to enjoy it a lot. [] ) > Regards, > Maheswara Varma > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Dear AKK, As usual you howl again, as usual without purpose, and on wrong instance and individual!!! // it is thus just a ploy on the part of imported "Vamadevas" and local "Parasharas" to talk ..// // the ones who know will not go against "His Master's Voice"---the "masters" being imported Vamadevas and local "Varahamihiras" and "Parasharas" and his holiness of art of something or the other// // incorporated by Maya the mlechha in his Surya Sidhanta and later propagated by one of the worst charlatans viz. Varahamihra!// Pathetic! Alas, poor man! What else I can say?!! I didn't say anything in support or against neither the Tropicalists or the Nirayana favorists - I was just speaking about the common human attitudes and results (by taking American/Indian flags and Tropical/Nirayana astrology as examples). But you cannot save yourself from the hard grown habits. Look at yourself man! Where this inherent boiling hatred will lead you to?!! Just relax!!!//> Obviously, you have read neither the Vedas nor the Vedanga Jyotisha > nor Yajur Jyotisha nor Atharva Jyotisha nor Atharva-Veda-> Parishishta! These books in a nutshell are supposed to deal with > predictive gimmicks according to you, on the basis of some predictive > system which you would like to call Tropical!// What is all this nonsense?!! Where did I say all this? How can you judge from a single mail, what I read and what not? From where you got the Idea that I ever spoke about some stupid parisishtas etc, in this group or other?! Just don't be psychedelic or psychiatric. Just relax, and respond to the mail based on this written in the mail. Please don't imagine and over react too much - that may cause you to end up in an asylum. I or anyone else in this group may not wish such things to happen for an individual who might have dedicated many of his years for the study of 'vedic tropical calendar system'. Please....Please relax....and be realistic.. Regards, Maheswara Varma , "Avtar Krishen Kaul" <jyotirved wrote:>> Dear Maheswara Varmaji,> Namaskar!> Your post is great cry but little wool!> > You have said, "The Vedic Tropical system is like the Indian flag > revered too much without purpose, and gone out of popularity due to > this very reason. The Nirayana system was like the American flag, any > one was free to do anything with it - yes, even to use an Indian > tie. But the power and popularity it gained due to this freedom > allowed (involved/inherent) was so great that it became so popular > and powerful and simply out numbered the feeble supporters of the > Vedic tropical system."> > Obviously, you have read neither the Vedas nor the Vedanga Jyotisha > nor Yajur Jyotisha nor Atharva Jyotisha nor Atharva-Veda-> Parishishta! These books in a nutshell are supposed to deal with > predictive gimmicks according to you, on the basis of some predictive > system which you would like to call Tropical!> > The confusion of Tropical and nirayana arises only when you talk > about Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis! Since there are no such curses in > any of the Vedas or any of the Vedangas as enumerated above, it is > thus just a ploy on the part of imported "Vamadevas" and > local "Parasharas" to talk of Tropical (or even nirayana!) rashis in > the Vedas! They have succeded in their ploy only because they know > that none of the Hindus will deny it since the majority of Hindus do > not know even ABC of the Vedas, and the ones who know will not go > against "His Master's Voice"---the "masters" being imported Vamadevas > and local "Varahamihiras" and "Parasharas" and his holiness of art of > something or the other---milllions and billions of them!> > What is all the more pathetic about your post is that you do not > appear to have any knowledge of astronomy either! For your > information, I may repeat here for the umpteenth time that there are > no neat twelve equal divisions in the zodiac astronomically either! > In fact, there cannot be any such equal divisions---whether twelve or > twenty-seven----which percludes the possibility of Mesha etc. twelve > Rashis (equal divisions) or Ashvini, Bharni etc. 27 equal nakshatra > divisions (equal, mind you!) and so on.> > Now coming to Puranas! They do talk of Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis--> all of them! You can say that those rashis are so called Sayana > (what you call Tropical)--since Mesha Rashi according to all the > puranas is another name of (solar) Vaishakha, which is yet another > name of Vedic Madhava---when the day and night are equal---the day of > Vernal Equinox---Vasanta Sampat! Similarly, Makar Sankranti, > according to all the Puranas, is another name of Uttarayana, the > shortest day of the year, also known as Vedic month Tapah and solar > Magha....and so on and so forth!> But then that is what exactly the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha > says---"bhanor Makar Sankranteh, shanmasa uttarayanam, > karktyadestathaiva syat shanmasa dakshinayanam". i.e. the six months > starting from the Makara Snkranti of the sun are known as (the six > months of) Uttarayana and the six months from the start of Karka > Snakranti are known as (six months of) Dakshinayana"...and so on!> > You could have thus said that the so called Tropical Rashis are > Pauranic but since prior to the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha, > we do not find any mention of any Mesha,Vrisha etc. rashis in any > indigenous astronomical work, the question that begs an answer is as > to wherefrom would the Puranas have calculated those ingresses in > Mesha, Vrsiha etc. rashis, even if they were so called sayana! Thus > the only conclusion we arrive at is that all these Mesha, Vrisha etc. > Rashis in the Puranas are post Surya Sidhanta interpolations! This > fact gets confirmed further since we do not find any Mesha, Vrisha > etc. Rashis in the Mbh either, though we find Ashvini, Bharni etc. > nakshatras therein times without number.> > Yet another proof supporting that the Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis in > the Puranas are post Surya Sidhanta is the sordid fact that the > planetary elements in the Narada Purana and Agni Purana etc. are a > ditto copy of some of the sholkas from the Surya Sidhanta---so much > so that even the interpolated shlokas about Ayanamsha in the Surya > Sidhanta---those interpolations in the SS are post nith century CE!---> have been incorporated in Narada Purana! That means that that Purana > is a compilation of at least tenth century CE.> > Similarly, in the Vishnudharmotarapurana, the planetary elements have > been lifted without bating an eyelid from Brahma-Sphuta-Sidhanta of > Brahma-Gupta! That in itself confirms that that work is a concoction > of post seveth century CE!> > Thus your point that, "I am not against AKK and is in support of him > as far as the truth of Tropical system goes - but my doubt is are not > becoming non-sincere and making too much noise, noise and nuisance > that was not required, but with rather degrades, and out dates us?" > itself goes against you since it is people like you who classify the > Vedic Rashis as Tropical or nirayana etc. etc. when the fact of the > matter is that there are no such curses in them!> > What you are thus advocating as Vedic---the Tropical Mesha, Vrisha > etc. Rashis--are in fact Sanskrit equivalents of Greek constellations > Aries, Taurus etc. which were incorporated by Maya the mlechha in his > Surya Sidhanta and later propagated by one of the worst charlatans > viz. Varahamihra!> So the million dollar question is as to who is degrading the Vedas > and the real Vamadevas? You and others of your clan or AKK the > crusader against such adharma of celebrating Pitra-Amavasya on the > day of actual Dipavali and Navratras later by one month and so on? > Why are you doing so and why do you want to continue to do so---> degrading the Vedas and celebrating all your festivals on worng days?-> - all in the name of your self-created confusion of Tropical versus > nirayana and so on?> Have some fear of God in your heart, after all! You have to face Him > one day! He is really very ruthless---"bheesha asmad vatah > pavtge....mrityur dhavati panchamah" (It is out of fear of THAT that > the winds keep on blowing and even YAMA keeps on doing His duty--> killing one and sundry). As such, for God's sake, don't propagate > adharma as dharma i.e. predictive gimmicks as Vedic astrology and > don't celebrate festivals and muhurtas on worng days!> With regards,> A K Kaul> > > > > > > , "maheswara_varma" > maheswara_varma@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear All,> > Indian and American Flags> > > > I don't mind or worry about a self proclaimed god like the lady of> > Sahaja dyana advt. But I have the following doubts -> > * Who the hell are these fanatics who falsely proclaim that > Indian> > flag is like god to them! They are not sincere at all, since for > almost> > all human beings with piece of cloth is simply a piece of cloth in > their> > personal life, whether it be Indian flag or shirt or a sari. If > some> > 'shows' or 'acts' special respect to some piece of cloth in public -> > usually that is with a purpose, usually because the situation > demands> > it, and not natural feeling coming from within (because it is not> > required). So the first point to understand is that, those who are> > showing exaggerated reaction are either people with an agenda > acting as> > per script, or people without consciousness re-acting misguided by> > others! This is one important point we should remember.> > * We and even American use American Flag for anything and > everything;> > American flag does not require any special respect even as per > Americans> > it seems! Same is the case with British Flag. May be this the reason> > behind the popularity of American and British flag in each and> > everything - in caps, bags, hankies and what not. It seems that we > are> > even free to use American flag like and Indian tie . This means > that> > they all know what a flag is (simply a piece of cloth) and they > realize> > that allowing people to do what they want to do with it is the best > way> > to popularize it! (May be that is why American flag is this > popular). It> > seems that we have a lesson to learn from them on this issue.> > > > Vedic and Nirayana systems> > ----> > May the above issue has some similarity with astrology as > well. > > The Vedic Tropical system is like the Indian flag revered too much> > without purpose, and gone out of popularity due to this very > reason. The> > Nirayana system was like the American flag, any one was free to do> > anything with it - yes, even to use an Indian tie. But the power > and> > popularity it gained due to this freedom allowed > (involved/inherent) was> > so great that it became so popular and powerful and simply out > numbered> > the feeble supporters of the Vedic tropical system. Only some > outdated> > orthodox AKK with a unique mix of orthodox vedic brahmanic attitude > and> > a huge shit of name calling and blaming culture within, is there to > haul> > all the time. I am not against AKK and is in support of him as far > as> > the truth of Tropical system goes - but my doubt is are not becoming> > non-sincere and making too much noise, noise and nuisance that was > not> > required, but with rather degrades, and out dates us?> > > > Note: I know that there would about one or two present of people > who may> > support this argument, publicly. But I know inherently that almost > 98%> > present of sincere people will agree to it in private. So I don’t> > worry much about the response I may get for this mail.> > > > (Be sincere to ourselves and that makes the life funny, and > helps us> > to enjoy it a lot. [] )> > Regards,> > Maheswara Varma> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Dear Well-wisher! In your original post you had said " The Vedic Tropical system is like the Indian flag " . Now you have said " such things to >happen for an individual who might have dedicated many of his years for the study of 'vedic tropical calendar system " And above all you say, you have not said anythng like that! But then such denials from " Vedic astrologers " are nothing new for as I am well accustomed to them. In fact, I would be surprised if there were no such denials. Dhanyavad. AKK , " maheswara_varma " <maheswara_varma wrote: > > Dear AKK, > As usual you howl again, as usual without purpose, and on wrong > instance and individual!!! > // it is thus just a ploy on the part of imported " Vamadevas " and > local " Parasharas " to talk ..// > // the ones who know will not go against " His Master's Voice " --- the > " masters " being imported Vamadevas and local " Varahamihiras " and > " Parasharas " and his holiness of art of something or the other// > // incorporated by Maya the mlechha in his Surya Sidhanta and later > propagated by one of the worst charlatans viz. Varahamihra!// > > Pathetic! Alas, poor man! What else I can say?!! I didn't say anything > in support or against neither the Tropicalists or the Nirayana favorists > - I was just speaking about the common human attitudes and results (by > taking American/Indian flags and Tropical/Nirayana astrology as > examples). [] > But you cannot save yourself from the hard grown habits. Look at > yourself man! Where this inherent boiling hatred will lead you to?!! > Just relax!!! > //> Obviously, you have read neither the Vedas nor the Vedanga Jyotisha > > nor Yajur Jyotisha nor Atharva Jyotisha nor Atharva-Veda- > > Parishishta! These books in a nutshell are supposed to deal with > > predictive gimmicks according to you, on the basis of some predictive > > system which you would like to call Tropical!// > > What is all this nonsense?!! Where did I say all this? How can you > judge from a single mail, what I read and what not? From where you got > the Idea that I ever spoke about some stupid parisishtas etc, in this > group or other?! Just don't be psychedelic or psychiatric. Just relax, > and respond to the mail based on this written in the mail. Please don't > imagine and over react too much - that may cause you to end up in an > asylum. I or anyone else in this group may not wish such things to > happen for an individual who might have dedicated many of his years for > the study of 'vedic tropical calendar system'. Please....Please > relax....and be realistic.. > Regards, > Maheswara Varma > > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > Dear Maheswara Varmaji, > > Namaskar! > > Your post is great cry but little wool! > > > > You have said, " The Vedic Tropical system is like the Indian flag > > revered too much without purpose, and gone out of popularity due to > > this very reason. The Nirayana system was like the American flag, any > > one was free to do anything with it - yes, even to use an Indian > > tie. But the power and popularity it gained due to this freedom > > allowed (involved/inherent) was so great that it became so popular > > and powerful and simply out numbered the feeble supporters of the > > Vedic tropical system. " > > > > Obviously, you have read neither the Vedas nor the Vedanga Jyotisha > > nor Yajur Jyotisha nor Atharva Jyotisha nor Atharva-Veda- > > Parishishta! These books in a nutshell are supposed to deal with > > predictive gimmicks according to you, on the basis of some predictive > > system which you would like to call Tropical! > > > > The confusion of Tropical and nirayana arises only when you talk > > about Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis! Since there are no such curses in > > any of the Vedas or any of the Vedangas as enumerated above, it is > > thus just a ploy on the part of imported " Vamadevas " and > > local " Parasharas " to talk of Tropical (or even nirayana!) rashis in > > the Vedas! They have succeded in their ploy only because they know > > that none of the Hindus will deny it since the majority of Hindus do > > not know even ABC of the Vedas, and the ones who know will not go > > against " His Master's Voice " ---the " masters " being imported Vamadevas > > and local " Varahamihiras " and " Parasharas " and his holiness of art of > > something or the other---milllions and billions of them! > > > > What is all the more pathetic about your post is that you do not > > appear to have any knowledge of astronomy either! For your > > information, I may repeat here for the umpteenth time that there are > > no neat twelve equal divisions in the zodiac astronomically either! > > In fact, there cannot be any such equal divisions---whether twelve or > > twenty-seven----which percludes the possibility of Mesha etc. twelve > > Rashis (equal divisions) or Ashvini, Bharni etc. 27 equal nakshatra > > divisions (equal, mind you!) and so on. > > > > Now coming to Puranas! They do talk of Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis- - > > all of them! You can say that those rashis are so called Sayana > > (what you call Tropical)--since Mesha Rashi according to all the > > puranas is another name of (solar) Vaishakha, which is yet another > > name of Vedic Madhava---when the day and night are equal---the day of > > Vernal Equinox---Vasanta Sampat! Similarly, Makar Sankranti, > > according to all the Puranas, is another name of Uttarayana, the > > shortest day of the year, also known as Vedic month Tapah and solar > > Magha....and so on and so forth! > > But then that is what exactly the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha > > says--- " bhanor Makar Sankranteh, shanmasa uttarayanam, > > karktyadestathaiva syat shanmasa dakshinayanam " . i.e. the six months > > starting from the Makara Snkranti of the sun are known as (the six > > months of) Uttarayana and the six months from the start of Karka > > Snakranti are known as (six months of) Dakshinayana " ...and so on! > > > > You could have thus said that the so called Tropical Rashis are > > Pauranic but since prior to the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha, > > we do not find any mention of any Mesha,Vrisha etc. rashis in any > > indigenous astronomical work, the question that begs an answer is as > > to wherefrom would the Puranas have calculated those ingresses in > > Mesha, Vrsiha etc. rashis, even if they were so called sayana! Thus > > the only conclusion we arrive at is that all these Mesha, Vrisha etc. > > Rashis in the Puranas are post Surya Sidhanta interpolations! This > > fact gets confirmed further since we do not find any Mesha, Vrisha > > etc. Rashis in the Mbh either, though we find Ashvini, Bharni etc. > > nakshatras therein times without number. > > > > Yet another proof supporting that the Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis in > > the Puranas are post Surya Sidhanta is the sordid fact that the > > planetary elements in the Narada Purana and Agni Purana etc. are a > > ditto copy of some of the sholkas from the Surya Sidhanta---so much > > so that even the interpolated shlokas about Ayanamsha in the Surya > > Sidhanta---those interpolations in the SS are post nith century CE!--- > > have been incorporated in Narada Purana! That means that that Purana > > is a compilation of at least tenth century CE. > > > > Similarly, in the Vishnudharmotarapurana, the planetary elements have > > been lifted without bating an eyelid from Brahma-Sphuta-Sidhanta of > > Brahma-Gupta! That in itself confirms that that work is a concoction > > of post seveth century CE! > > > > Thus your point that, " I am not against AKK and is in support of him > > as far as the truth of Tropical system goes - but my doubt is are not > > becoming non-sincere and making too much noise, noise and nuisance > > that was not required, but with rather degrades, and out dates us? " > > itself goes against you since it is people like you who classify the > > Vedic Rashis as Tropical or nirayana etc. etc. when the fact of the > > matter is that there are no such curses in them! > > > > What you are thus advocating as Vedic---the Tropical Mesha, Vrisha > > etc. Rashis--are in fact Sanskrit equivalents of Greek constellations > > Aries, Taurus etc. which were incorporated by Maya the mlechha in his > > Surya Sidhanta and later propagated by one of the worst charlatans > > viz. Varahamihra! > > So the million dollar question is as to who is degrading the Vedas > > and the real Vamadevas? You and others of your clan or AKK the > > crusader against such adharma of celebrating Pitra-Amavasya on the > > day of actual Dipavali and Navratras later by one month and so on? > > Why are you doing so and why do you want to continue to do so--- > > degrading the Vedas and celebrating all your festivals on worng days?- > > - all in the name of your self-created confusion of Tropical versus > > nirayana and so on? > > Have some fear of God in your heart, after all! You have to face Him > > one day! He is really very ruthless--- " bheesha asmad vatah > > pavtge....mrityur dhavati panchamah " (It is out of fear of THAT that > > the winds keep on blowing and even YAMA keeps on doing His duty-- > > killing one and sundry). As such, for God's sake, don't propagate > > adharma as dharma i.e. predictive gimmicks as Vedic astrology and > > don't celebrate festivals and muhurtas on worng days! > > With regards, > > A K Kaul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " maheswara_varma " > > maheswara_varma@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > Indian and American Flags > > > > > > I don't mind or worry about a self proclaimed god like the lady of > > > Sahaja dyana advt. But I have the following doubts - > > > * Who the hell are these fanatics who falsely proclaim that > > Indian > > > flag is like god to them! They are not sincere at all, since for > > almost > > > all human beings with piece of cloth is simply a piece of cloth in > > their > > > personal life, whether it be Indian flag or shirt or a sari. If > > some > > > 'shows' or 'acts' special respect to some piece of cloth in public - > > > usually that is with a purpose, usually because the situation > > demands > > > it, and not natural feeling coming from within (because it is not > > > required). So the first point to understand is that, those who are > > > showing exaggerated reaction are either people with an agenda > > acting as > > > per script, or people without consciousness re-acting misguided by > > > others! This is one important point we should remember. > > > * We and even American use American Flag for anything and > > everything; > > > American flag does not require any special respect even as per > > Americans > > > it seems! Same is the case with British Flag. May be this the reason > > > behind the popularity of American and British flag in each and > > > everything - in caps, bags, hankies and what not. It seems that we > > are > > > even free to use American flag like and Indian tie . This means > > that > > > they all know what a flag is (simply a piece of cloth) and they > > realize > > > that allowing people to do what they want to do with it is the best > > way > > > to popularize it! (May be that is why American flag is this > > popular). It > > > seems that we have a lesson to learn from them on this issue. > > > > > > Vedic and Nirayana systems > > > ---- > > > May the above issue has some similarity with astrology as > > well. > > > The Vedic Tropical system is like the Indian flag revered too much > > > without purpose, and gone out of popularity due to this very > > reason. The > > > Nirayana system was like the American flag, any one was free to do > > > anything with it - yes, even to use an Indian tie. But the power > > and > > > popularity it gained due to this freedom allowed > > (involved/inherent) was > > > so great that it became so popular and powerful and simply out > > numbered > > > the feeble supporters of the Vedic tropical system. Only some > > outdated > > > orthodox AKK with a unique mix of orthodox vedic brahmanic attitude > > and > > > a huge shit of name calling and blaming culture within, is there to > > haul > > > all the time. I am not against AKK and is in support of him as far > > as > > > the truth of Tropical system goes - but my doubt is are not becoming > > > non-sincere and making too much noise, noise and nuisance that was > > not > > > required, but with rather degrades, and out dates us? > > > > > > Note: I know that there would about one or two present of people > > who may > > > support this argument, publicly. But I know inherently that almost > > 98% > > > present of sincere people will agree to it in private. So I > don’t > > > worry much about the response I may get for this mail. > > > > > > (Be sincere to ourselves and that makes the life funny, and > > helps us > > > to enjoy it a lot. [] ) > > > Regards, > > > Maheswara Varma > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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