Mihira and ketumala and one fraud calender reformist (AKK)

October 14, 2008

Mihira and Guatemala

[Confession of a mistake and further clarification]

- Written by Sreenadh OG

In Pancha Siddhantika of Mihira, the place name `Ketumala' is given. Mis-guided by several transilators, I argued numerous times that Ketumala refers to Guatemala. I always expressed my wonder regarding the 6th century scholar Mihira's knowledge about a place 180 degree away from India, a place in America on the other side of the globe. I always presented this info with awe, as a clue towards the possible great tradition of India – as a possible geographical info coming down even to 6th century Mihira from the great ancient cultures like Sindhu-Sarasvati tradition having geographical knowledge about the whole earth. It all looked so magnificent!

I felt the need to look more closely on these quotes of Mihira – and that was the end to many of my misunderstandings. That clarified the big mistake I made! No, it was not Mihira who misguided me or misquoted something; it was the interpreter's misguidance and my own ignorance that caused the problem. What Mihira said and what I understood was entirely different. Better late than never; I am correcting my mistake – "The word Ketumala DOES NOT refer to Guatemala in America, but in Western Sahara, Africa". Let me clarify in detail. The quote provided by Mihira is as follows –

Madhyahnam bhadrasweshvastamayam kurushoottareshu ketumalanam

Kurute(a)rtharatramudhyanad bharatavarshe yugapadarkaH

(Pancha Siddhantika)

[sunrise in India (at Ujjain) is mid-day for the people of Bhadraswa; Sunset in Uttarakuru and mid-night in Ketumala]

Four locations on earth longitudinally 90 degree apart are mentioned in the above quote. As per Mihira the longitudes of these four places are –

India (Ujjain) = 0 deg.

Bhadraswa = 90 deg. East

Uttara Kuru = 180 deg. North

Ketumala = 90 deg. West

Now a days, we consider the longitude passing through England as the Prime Meridian (unlike Mihira who considered the longitude passing through Ujjain as Prime Meridian) and so the longitude of Ujjain would be 75 deg. 43 min (75.43 E). Thus – Ujjain = 75-43 E; Bhadraswa = 165-45 E; Uttara Kuru = 104-17 W; Ketumala = 14-17 W.

Earth

Bhadraswa (Mid-day)

23.09 N; 165.45 E [Pacific Ocean. No island here]

Ketumala (Mid-night)

23.09 N; 14.17 W [Western Sahara, Africa]

Uttara Kuru (Sunset)

23.09 N; 104.17 W [Guatemala, America]

Ujjain (Sunrise)

23.09 N; 75.43 E [india]

Prime Meridian

(Ref: http://www.satsig.net/maps/lat-long-finder.htm)

Please note that as per Mihira, `Ketumala' is not a place at 104.17 W (in America) but at 14.17 W (in Africa). Anyway it is not necessary that, Uttara Kuru, Bhadraswa, Ketumala are actual place names. It is not necessary that Mihira was geographically aware of the people and places in America and Africa. Since Mihira was well aware about the spherical shape of earth, this could be hypothetical names he ascribes to 4 places 90 deg. apart in globe.

Since Ujjain is at 23.09 N latitude, if there are real places they should be at corresponding latitudes as well.

Ujjain = 23.09 N; 75.43 E [24 N; 0 E as per Mihira]

Bhadraswa = 23.09 N; 165.45 E [24 N; 90 E as per Mihira]

Ketumala = 23.09 N; 14.17 W [24 N; 90 W as per Mihira]

Uttara Kuru = 23.09 N; 104.17 W [24 N; 180 W as per Mihira]

Mihira does not limit himself to the mention of these four hypothetical locations that lie 90 deg. apart in the same longitude as that of Ujjain; he also mentions four hypothetical locations that lie 90 deg. apart at 0 deg. latitude (at the equator) as well. The quote is as follows –

Udayo yo lankayam so(a)stamayaH sa vitureva siddhapure

Madhyahno yamakotyam romakavishaye artharatra saH

(Pancha siddhantika)

[sunrise in Lanka is Sunset in Siddhapura, mid-day in Yama Koti and mid-night in Romakapura]

For Mihira Lanka is the hypothetical place at 0 deg. (near Srilanka) latitude in equator, and at the same longitude as that of Ujjain. (i.e. a place in 0 deg lat – 0 deg. long as per Mihira's concepts). Converting it to modern long-lat. concepts and measurements we have –

Lanka = 00.00 N; 75.43 E [00.00 N; 00.00 E as per Mihira]

Yamakoti = 00.00 N; 165.45 E [00.00 N; 90 E as per Mihira]

Romakapura = 00.00 N; 14.17 W [00.00 N; 90 W as per Mihira]

Siddhapura = 00.00 N; 104.17 W [00.00 N; 180 W as per Mihira]

Earth

Prime Meridian

Siddhapura (Sunset)

00.00 N; 104.17 W [in Pacific Ocean, near Guatemala]

Yamakoti (Mid-day)

00.00 N; 165.45 E [Pacific Ocean. No island here]

Romakapura (Mid-night)

00.00 N; 14.17 W [south Atlantic Ocean. No island here]

Lanka (Sunrise)

00.00 N; 75.43 E [Near Lanka, in Indian Ocean]

Thus in total we have the details of 8 places as provided by Mihira as follows –

1

Ujjain

(23.09 N; 75.43 E)

Lanka (00.00 N; 75.43 E)

Asia

2

Bhadraswa

(23.09 N; 165.45 E)

Yamakoti

(00.00 N; 165.45 E)

Pacific Ocean.

3

Ketumala

(23.09 N; 14.17 W)

Romakapura

(00.00 N; 14.17 W)

Africa

4

Uttarakuru

(23.09 N; 104.17 W)

Siddhapura

(00.00 N; 104.17 W)

America

Ujjain

Uttarakuru

Bhadraswa

Yamakoti

Romakapura

Lanka

Siddhapura

Ketumala

N

SIf we represent it graphically –

Those who are interested can explore this subject further. Since I confessed my mistake and gave the necessory clarity to the subject under discussion, I stop here.

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October 15, 2008

Shri Vijaya Raghavanji,

Namaskar!

I have gone through your post, which you claim to have been written

by Shri Sreenadh.

I could not find anything regarding calendar, least of all calendar

reform, and still much less about " one fraud calendar reformits

(AKK) " .

Shri Sreenadh is a member of HinduCalendar forum. He has already

been requested that if he has anything to say about calendar or

calendar reform or even about " one fraud calendar reformist (AKK) " ,

he should post his views direct on that forum instead of indulging in

shadow boxing, especially since the posts there are not moderated

like that of in !

For your information, there is already one post awaiting his response

in that forum. Shri Sreenadh had " proved " (sic!) through the SJH

software that Bhagwan Shri Ram was born in 157 BCE. When he was

caught on the wrong foot and proved miserably off the mark by showing

the results from Swiss Ephemeris and Mahesh and JPL etc. data, he

just avoided the issue completely---like all the " Vedic astrologers "

do!

It may be news to you that Shri Sreenadh also is of the view that the

Hindu festivals etc. are being celebrated on wrong days, though he

does not express it openly out of the fear of " annoying "

his " colleagues " .

Dhanyavd.

A K Kaul

, " lion_draco1983 "

<lion_draco1983 wrote:

>

> Mihira and Guatemala

>

> [Confession of a mistake and further clarification]

>

> - Written by Sreenadh OG

>

> In Pancha Siddhantika of Mihira, the place name `Ketumala' is

> given. Mis-guided by several transilators, I argued numerous times

that

> Ketumala refers to Guatemala. I always expressed my wonder

regarding the

> 6th century scholar Mihira's knowledge about a place 180 degree away

> from India, a place in America on the other side of the globe. I

always

> presented this info with awe, as a clue towards the possible great

> tradition of India – as a possible geographical info coming down

> even to 6th century Mihira from the great ancient cultures like

> Sindhu-Sarasvati tradition having geographical knowledge about the

whole

> earth. It all looked so magnificent!

>

> I felt the need to look more closely on these quotes of

> Mihira – and that was the end to many of my misunderstandings. That

> clarified the big mistake I made! No, it was not Mihira who

misguided me

> or misquoted something; it was the interpreter's misguidance and my

> own ignorance that caused the problem. What Mihira said and what I

> understood was entirely different. Better late than never; I am

> correcting my mistake – " The word Ketumala DOES NOT refer to

> Guatemala in America, but in Western Sahara, Africa " . Let me clarify

> in detail. The quote provided by Mihira is as follows –

>

> Madhyahnam bhadrasweshvastamayam kurushoottareshu

> ketumalanam

>

> Kurute(a)rtharatramudhyanad bharatavarshe yugapadarkaH

>

> (Pancha Siddhantika)

>

> [sunrise in India (at Ujjain) is mid-day for the people of

Bhadraswa;

> Sunset in Uttarakuru and mid-night in Ketumala]

>

> Four locations on earth longitudinally 90 degree apart

are

> mentioned in the above quote. As per Mihira the longitudes of these

four

> places are –

>

> India (Ujjain) = 0 deg.

>

> Bhadraswa = 90 deg. East

>

> Uttara Kuru = 180 deg. North

>

> Ketumala = 90 deg. West

>

> Now a days, we consider the longitude passing through

> England as the Prime Meridian (unlike Mihira who considered the

> longitude passing through Ujjain as Prime Meridian) and so the

longitude

> of Ujjain would be 75 deg. 43 min (75.43 E). Thus – Ujjain = 75-43

> E; Bhadraswa = 165-45 E; Uttara Kuru = 104-17 W; Ketumala = 14-17 W.

>

> Earth

>

> Bhadraswa (Mid-day)

>

> 23.09 N; 165.45 E

> [Pacific Ocean. No island here]

>

> Ketumala (Mid-night)

>

> 23.09 N; 14.17 W

> [Western Sahara, Africa]

>

> Uttara Kuru (Sunset)

>

> 23.09 N; 104.17 W

> [Guatemala, America]

>

> Ujjain (Sunrise)

>

> 23.09 N; 75.43 E

> [india]

>

> Prime Meridian

>

(Ref: http://www.satsig.net/maps/lat-long-finder.htm

> <http://www.satsig.net/maps/lat-long-finder.htm> )

>

> Please note that as per Mihira, `Ketumala' is not a place at

> 104.17 W (in America) but at 14.17 W (in Africa). Anyway it is not

> necessary that, Uttara Kuru, Bhadraswa, Ketumala are actual place

names.

> It is not necessary that Mihira was geographically aware of the

people

> and places in America and Africa. Since Mihira was well aware about

the

> spherical shape of earth, this could be hypothetical names he

ascribes

> to 4 places 90 deg. apart in globe.

>

> Since Ujjain is at 23.09 N latitude, if there are real places they

> should be at corresponding latitudes as well.

>

> Ujjain = 23.09 N; 75.43 E [24 N; 0 E as per Mihira]

>

> Bhadraswa = 23.09 N; 165.45 E [24 N; 90 E as per Mihira]

>

> Ketumala = 23.09 N; 14.17 W [24 N; 90 W as per Mihira]

>

> Uttara Kuru = 23.09 N; 104.17 W [24 N; 180 W as per Mihira]

>

> Mihira does not limit himself to the mention of these four

hypothetical

> locations that lie 90 deg. apart in the same longitude as that of

> Ujjain; he also mentions four hypothetical locations that lie 90

deg.

> apart at 0 deg. latitude (at the equator) as well. The quote is as

> follows –

>

> Udayo yo lankayam so(a)stamayaH sa vitureva siddhapure

>

> Madhyahno yamakotyam romakavishaye artharatra saH

>

> (Pancha siddhantika)

>

> [sunrise in Lanka is Sunset in Siddhapura, mid-day in Yama Koti and

> mid-night in Romakapura]

>

> For Mihira Lanka is the hypothetical place at 0 deg.

(near

> Srilanka) latitude in equator, and at the same longitude as that of

> Ujjain. (i.e. a place in 0 deg lat – 0 deg. long as per Mihira's

> concepts). Converting it to modern long-lat. concepts and

measurements

> we have –

>

> Lanka = 00.00 N; 75.43 E [00.00 N; 00.00 E as per Mihira]

>

> Yamakoti = 00.00 N; 165.45 E [00.00 N; 90 E as per Mihira]

>

> Romakapura = 00.00 N; 14.17 W [00.00 N; 90 W as per Mihira]

>

> Siddhapura = 00.00 N; 104.17 W [00.00 N; 180 W as per Mihira]

>

> Earth

>

> Prime Meridian

>

> Siddhapura (Sunset)

>

> 00.00 N; 104.17 W

> [in Pacific Ocean, near Guatemala]

>

> Yamakoti (Mid-day)

>

> 00.00 N; 165.45 E

> [Pacific Ocean. No island here]

>

> Romakapura (Mid-night)

>

> 00.00 N; 14.17 W

> [south Atlantic Ocean. No island here]

>

> Lanka (Sunrise)

>

> 00.00 N; 75.43 E

> [Near Lanka, in Indian Ocean]

>

Thus in total we have the details of 8 places as provided by Mihira

as

> follows –

>

> 1

>

> Ujjain

>

> (23.09 N; 75.43 E)

>

> Lanka (00.00 N; 75.43 E)

>

> Asia

>

> 2

>

> Bhadraswa

>

> (23.09 N; 165.45 E)

>

> Yamakoti

>

> (00.00 N; 165.45 E)

>

> Pacific Ocean.

>

> 3

>

> Ketumala

>

> (23.09 N; 14.17 W)

>

> Romakapura

>

> (00.00 N; 14.17 W)

>

> Africa

>

> 4

>

> Uttarakuru

>

> (23.09 N; 104.17 W)

>

> Siddhapura

>

> (00.00 N; 104.17 W)

>

> America

>

> Ujjain

>

> Uttarakuru

>

> Bhadraswa

>

> Yamakoti

>

> Romakapura

>

> Lanka

>

> Siddhapura

>

> Ketumala

>

> N

>

> S

> If we represent it graphically –

>

Those who are interested can explore this subject further. Since I

> confessed my mistake and gave the necessory clarity to the subject

under

> discussion, I stop here.

>

> - 0 -

>

October 15, 2008

dear kaul ji

namaskar

i posted that article to show ur fraud concepts which u harbor for long time which was willfull and deliberate attempts to denegerate hindu systems and practises .

other wise if my knowledge is correct he ( sreenadh ) is a 30+ man with software and IT as profession and not a vedic astrologer which u claimes.For u any one try to answer u is vedic astrologer and thinks u can win ur claimes by calling so ( so that he collects money and part of livlyhood and that is why he is not admitting ) ,that is why i called u fraud calender man ,

why dont u answer me

1) why muhurtha is imp if there is no predictive value in veda or vedic littrture as u says .

2) what is use of fstivals if vedas r not devine as u claimes ??what is the era of vedas originated ??

answer me ,

dont call some one somebody so that u can win ,truth is truth .That is why vedic astrology has passed tru all this ages .unlike ur no man- follower calender .

it is highly unethical too

regrds vijayaraghavan

, "Avtar Krishen Kaul" <jyotirved wrote:>> Shri Vijaya Raghavanji,> Namaskar!> I have gone through your post, which you claim to have been written > by Shri Sreenadh.> I could not find anything regarding calendar, least of all calendar > reform, and still much less about "one fraud calendar reformits > (AKK)".> > Shri Sreenadh is a member of HinduCalendar forum. He has already > been requested that if he has anything to say about calendar or > calendar reform or even about "one fraud calendar reformist (AKK)", > he should post his views direct on that forum instead of indulging in > shadow boxing, especially since the posts there are not moderated > like that of in !> > For your information, there is already one post awaiting his response > in that forum. Shri Sreenadh had "proved" (sic!) through the SJH > software that Bhagwan Shri Ram was born in 157 BCE. When he was > caught on the wrong foot and proved miserably off the mark by showing > the results from Swiss Ephemeris and Mahesh and JPL etc. data, he > just avoided the issue completely---like all the "Vedic astrologers" > do!> It may be news to you that Shri Sreenadh also is of the view that the > Hindu festivals etc. are being celebrated on wrong days, though he > does not express it openly out of the fear of "annoying" > his "colleagues".> Dhanyavd.> A K Kaul> > , "lion_draco1983" > lion_draco1983@ wrote:> >> > > > Mihira and Guatemala> > > > [Confession of a mistake and further clarification]> > > > - Written by Sreenadh OG> > > > In Pancha Siddhantika of Mihira, the place name `Ketumala' is> > given. Mis-guided by several transilators, I argued numerous times > that> > Ketumala refers to Guatemala. I always expressed my wonder > regarding the> > 6th century scholar Mihira's knowledge about a place 180 degree away> > from India, a place in America on the other side of the globe. I > always> > presented this info with awe, as a clue towards the possible great> > tradition of India – as a possible geographical info coming down> > even to 6th century Mihira from the great ancient cultures like> > Sindhu-Sarasvati tradition having geographical knowledge about the > whole> > earth. It all looked so magnificent!> > > > I felt the need to look more closely on these quotes of> > Mihira – and that was the end to many of my misunderstandings. That> > clarified the big mistake I made! No, it was not Mihira who > misguided me> > or misquoted something; it was the interpreter's misguidance and my> > own ignorance that caused the problem. What Mihira said and what I> > understood was entirely different. Better late than never; I am> > correcting my mistake – "The word Ketumala DOES NOT refer to> > Guatemala in America, but in Western Sahara, Africa". Let me clarify> > in detail. The quote provided by Mihira is as follows –> > > > Madhyahnam bhadrasweshvastamayam kurushoottareshu> > ketumalanam> > > > Kurute(a)rtharatramudhyanad bharatavarshe yugapadarkaH> > > > (Pancha Siddhantika)> > > > [sunrise in India (at Ujjain) is mid-day for the people of > Bhadraswa;> > Sunset in Uttarakuru and mid-night in Ketumala]> > > > Four locations on earth longitudinally 90 degree apart > are> > mentioned in the above quote. As per Mihira the longitudes of these > four> > places are –> > > > India (Ujjain) = 0 deg.> > > > Bhadraswa = 90 deg. East> > > > Uttara Kuru = 180 deg. North> > > > Ketumala = 90 deg. West> > > > Now a days, we consider the longitude passing through> > England as the Prime Meridian (unlike Mihira who considered the> > longitude passing through Ujjain as Prime Meridian) and so the > longitude> > of Ujjain would be 75 deg. 43 min (75.43 E). Thus – Ujjain = 75-43> > E; Bhadraswa = 165-45 E; Uttara Kuru = 104-17 W; Ketumala = 14-17 W.> > > > > > > > > > > > Earth> > > > > > Bhadraswa (Mid-day)> > > > 23.09 N; 165.45 E> > [Pacific Ocean. No island here]> > > > Ketumala (Mid-night)> > > > 23.09 N; 14.17 W> > [Western Sahara, Africa]> > > > Uttara Kuru (Sunset)> > > > 23.09 N; 104.17 W> > [Guatemala, America]> > > > Ujjain (Sunrise)> > > > 23.09 N; 75.43 E> > [india]> > > > Prime Meridian> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Ref: http://www.satsig.net/maps/lat-long-finder.htm> > <http://www.satsig.net/maps/lat-long-finder.htm> )> > > > Please note that as per Mihira, `Ketumala' is not a place at> > 104.17 W (in America) but at 14.17 W (in Africa). Anyway it is not> > necessary that, Uttara Kuru, Bhadraswa, Ketumala are actual place > names.> > It is not necessary that Mihira was geographically aware of the > people> > and places in America and Africa. Since Mihira was well aware about > the> > spherical shape of earth, this could be hypothetical names he > ascribes> > to 4 places 90 deg. apart in globe.> > > > Since Ujjain is at 23.09 N latitude, if there are real places they> > should be at corresponding latitudes as well.> > > > Ujjain = 23.09 N; 75.43 E [24 N; 0 E as per Mihira]> > > > Bhadraswa = 23.09 N; 165.45 E [24 N; 90 E as per Mihira]> > > > Ketumala = 23.09 N; 14.17 W [24 N; 90 W as per Mihira]> > > > Uttara Kuru = 23.09 N; 104.17 W [24 N; 180 W as per Mihira]> > > > Mihira does not limit himself to the mention of these four > hypothetical> > locations that lie 90 deg. apart in the same longitude as that of> > Ujjain; he also mentions four hypothetical locations that lie 90 > deg.> > apart at 0 deg. latitude (at the equator) as well. The quote is as> > follows –> > > > Udayo yo lankayam so(a)stamayaH sa vitureva siddhapure> > > > Madhyahno yamakotyam romakavishaye artharatra saH> > > > (Pancha siddhantika)> > > > [sunrise in Lanka is Sunset in Siddhapura, mid-day in Yama Koti and> > mid-night in Romakapura]> > > > For Mihira Lanka is the hypothetical place at 0 deg. > (near> > Srilanka) latitude in equator, and at the same longitude as that of> > Ujjain. (i.e. a place in 0 deg lat – 0 deg. long as per Mihira's> > concepts). Converting it to modern long-lat. concepts and > measurements> > we have –> > > > Lanka = 00.00 N; 75.43 E [00.00 N; 00.00 E as per Mihira]> > > > Yamakoti = 00.00 N; 165.45 E [00.00 N; 90 E as per Mihira]> > > > Romakapura = 00.00 N; 14.17 W [00.00 N; 90 W as per Mihira]> > > > Siddhapura = 00.00 N; 104.17 W [00.00 N; 180 W as per Mihira]> > > > > > > > > > > > Earth> > > > > > Prime Meridian> > > > Siddhapura (Sunset)> > > > 00.00 N; 104.17 W> > [in Pacific Ocean, near Guatemala]> > > > Yamakoti (Mid-day)> > > > 00.00 N; 165.45 E> > [Pacific Ocean. No island here]> > > > Romakapura (Mid-night)> > > > 00.00 N; 14.17 W> > [south Atlantic Ocean. No island here]> > > > Lanka (Sunrise)> > > > 00.00 N; 75.43 E> > [Near Lanka, in Indian Ocean]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus in total we have the details of 8 places as provided by Mihira > as> > follows –> > > > 1> > > > Ujjain> > > > (23.09 N; 75.43 E)> > > > Lanka (00.00 N; 75.43 E)> > > > Asia> > > > 2> > > > Bhadraswa> > > > (23.09 N; 165.45 E)> > > > Yamakoti> > > > (00.00 N; 165.45 E)> > > > Pacific Ocean.> > > > 3> > > > Ketumala> > > > (23.09 N; 14.17 W)> > > > Romakapura> > > > (00.00 N; 14.17 W)> > > > Africa> > > > 4> > > > Uttarakuru> > > > (23.09 N; 104.17 W)> > > > Siddhapura> > > > (00.00 N; 104.17 W)> > > > America> > > > > > > > > > Ujjain> > > > Uttarakuru> > > > Bhadraswa> > > > Yamakoti> > > > Romakapura> > > > Lanka> > > > Siddhapura> > > > Ketumala> > > > N> > > > S> > If we represent it graphically –> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are interested can explore this subject further. Since I> > confessed my mistake and gave the necessory clarity to the subject > under> > discussion, I stop here.> > > > - 0 -> >>