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Dear Venkata ji,

Namaskar,

Thanks for your msg.

I welcome you in the forum in response of my invitation. I am

continuously inviting members, who may be interested in astrology for

proper discussion with different views on astrology.

 

You are a Vedic scholar; hence your views may also have some weight.

 

To start our discussion I am just picking your views :

 

>>>>>>> Vedic Astrology is a science but the Astrologers frauds.They

are ignorant, commercialied and money m inded.As such they make wrong

predictions.I am not a professional astrologer but I am a

Astrologer.Astronomy is a science and Vedic astrology is based on

Astronomy.<<<<<<<<<<

 

So I will like to know as to why Vedic Astrology is science? Here I

am taking astrology as predictive astrology and not astronomy (which

is Vedic as well as scientific and human civilization is continuously

learning in this direction). As you are astrologer and Vedic scholar

too hence you can explain, in which ved / slok predictive astrology

has been referred. You may be right in your statement that

astrologers are ignorant, commercialized and money minded. As such

they make wrong predictions. So will you please refer some predictive

principle from Ved. By following that principle let us make some

correct predictions using Ved without any commercial attitude or

money.

 

Hope to have a good interaction. For proper linking I am also

changing the subject.

 

Thanks

Yours truly,

Sanat

 

, venkata krishnan

<bcvk71 wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>              I am a Vedic scholar, Historian, Mathematician, Writer

and a Businessman by Profession.Vedic Astrology is a science but the

Astrologers frauds.They are ignorant, commercialied and money m

inded.As such they make wrong predictions.I am not a professional

astrologer but I am a Astrologer.Astronomy is a science and Vedic

astrology is based on Astronomy.The heavenley bodies have impact on

terrestial human life.But one can over come the effects of Planets on

the person which is based on ones Horoscope which was at the time of

ones birth.The various Devas and Asuras mentioned in Vedas are Aliens

to earth who visited earth frequently.They are Presiding Deities of

various heavenly bodies .I guess there was a hitch in this group.I

was invited to join this group by one Mr.Sanatkumar.Hence, I joined

this group.I am a new member of this group.Whatever may be the cause

of the hitch in this group,I request all the members to be friendly

> mutually and avoid quarrelling.After all one must exchange

knowledge with eachother.This is my personal request as a New member

of this group.

> Yours faithfully,

> B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN.

> website: www.vedascience.com

>

> maheswara_varma <maheswara_varma

> Re: Message to all

>

> Sunday, October 19, 2008, 2:11 PM

>

 dear sanat ji and group .

> poor vijayaraghavan ,he thought this is a logical forum ,he

mentioned everything but the moderaters r not for seeing the truth

deliberately  ,they r putting one science in shoes of other

science .Or simply brushing aside with statements it is common or

fluke or accidental like this (esp sri kaul ji ) .

>  

> because the aim is diffrnt i also blv ,what ever points he raised

is true and valid but his lack of time ( when i contcted him he also

told me he cannot wait till end of the world ,as he told me they r

simply passing time ).he posted diffrnt things even  on futility of

sri  kaul's reserch and so called claims  ,he also asked him to show

his understanding of vedas .he even told he will explain everything

later as it needs lot of time to explain all their questions ( as

useless countering questions will also strt which  happened in many

others case ,as the main question is ,is astrology is usefull than is

it is a science or myth or wheter we got frm greek or US ) ,so he

made it a point to see collectively the results of all those rishi 's

dictums ( all grp shud participate and he was not imposing any

conditions other than this  )  ,so first see results and then let us

go to  basics .As it is more easy for novice s who joined to know

what is

> astrology than going round the world with

mutable/twistable  answers .Then simply asking questions to

prolongate the discussions .But once results r known then basics r

easy to to exlain too .Then every one may not wait for answers too .

>  

> he waited for 20 days to get a positiv reply or a effort to see in

actual way .

> then strted getting voilent as any man blvs in quality time will

do .

>  

> even he dont use any bad languge other than words fool or fraud

which i think is true ,because when some one rejects all the worlds

exprnces how can we act  cooly .Fist of all where was

quality  discussion ( search of truth ) frm the moderaters side than

repeating some pseudo intellectual points which is ready made too or

twisting the points and giving answers for the queries  he raised ,

>  

>   asking others to see or answer only in our way is not logic or

scientific if some one wants to see the truth ( for exmple swami

vivekanda and sri ramakrishna paramahamsa dailogues ) ,it is

adamance ,unscientific and i think  we can call those ppl with having

some secret missions /agenda.

> now if some one wants why this days it has  happend (i mean why

they faced this carpet bombing in this grp )  i will explain to u

all  in the lite of astro .

> but write to me personaly .

>  

> maheswara varma .

> ps --I wrote this as my opinion and further discussion on this i

may or may not participate depending on constructv approach raised by

queriests .

>  also sri sanat ji -dont count on some one who posted a mail is a

support for u ,any intelligent persons can see it is a way to flash

his address and some future business ,pls ban all address or personal

links which is  self promoting in future communications in grp,if u r

serious in ur approach ( again it is my suggestions only ) .

>

> , " sanat2221 "

<sanatkumar_jain@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ghopal Ji and members,

> > Namaskar,

> > Yes, episode is over. Actually I do not want to ban any member,

> > otherwise very purpose of discussion is defeated. But after all

we

> > have to maintain some discipline. We all are educated and there

are

> > many lady members, senior as well as junior members. What they

will

> > think about us? Hence we must have some etiquette while writing

and

> > must maintain a mutual regard.

> >

> > I have already mentioned in my welcome note that we may have

> > difference, but it does not mean that we may behave like street

dogs.

> > I have always encouraged that every one may support his stand

with

> > strong logic. Since the beginning of the forum I am only

discussing

> > about various points, which is being raised or supported by

> > astrologer, hence when I ask for further clarification on their

point

> > then they either left, or observe silence or use abusive

language. I

> > do not know what they want to prove with their blind faith

supported

> > by filthy language. Since the very beginning no astrologer has

> > answered my basic question narrated in my blog " astrology a

science

> > or myth " . They used to divert the matter and even then they are

not

> > able to substantiate their own points.

> >

> > Actually it makes no difference as to how many persons are

following

> > predictive astrology or how many are against astrology. Main

point is

> > both must have their logic. I have never disclosed my stand,

which is

> > already in my book. I am simply asking astrologer so that they

may

> > substantiate as to how astrology is science or Vedic.

> >

> > Till then general public may be aware as to what procedure was

> > adopted for formulating the principle till then every one may

> > continue to follow his own way, which are quite opposite to each

> > other. Like some one say traditional astrology is good some will

say

> > KP, some say western and some say Lal kitab and so on. Thus every

one

> > is behaving like blind persons who have been asked to describe

> > elephant.

> >

> > General public thinks that it is science, it is vedic it is

created

> > by our sages. But neither predictive astrology is science nor it

is

> > vedic nor it is created by our sages (yes it was only developed

by

> > our sages). Even sign like Taurus, Cancer, Virgo, Scorpio,

> > Sagittarius etc. has no significance in any Indian religion,

> > tradition, stories etc. So how these signs may be creation of our

> > sages. We are actually degrading them with linking their names

with

> > some other religious concept. Whereas every sign has religious

> > background of Greece. Likewise there is no mention of any

principle

> > in Ved nor they know about the solar system and so on.

> >

> > When we are analyzing then we must know as to whether our faith,

is

> > based on some truth or it is just a blind faith promoted by

> > astrologer for their livelihood.

> >

> > I have many points to discuss. But I will continue my version

after

> > receiving some reaction of the members.

> >

> > I find that so many new members have joined the forum, and most

of

> > them are quite young. I welcome every new member in our forum.

They

> > have just entered in the struggle of life in the form of job,

> > marriage, promotion, salary etc. In this age every one has dreams

but

> > without struggling capacity, like a kid who want to see every

thing

> > in trade-fair but he is not having sufficient skill to save him

in

> > the crowd and thus he become easy pray. Likewise new generation

have

> > dreams but not the self-confidence, ability to accept the

challenges,

> > hard work, patience and so on. Thus they become easy prey of

> > astrologer. Who either infuse fear complex or some distant dreams

> > along with some remedy circus. Thus their tender mind is polluted

for

> > life long and they continue to think that every planet is behind

him

> > and his only job to create problems. Thus he is in search of some

> > remedy or some consolation from astrologer that your period will

be

> > good, and he looses his struggling capacity.

> >

> > My mission is very clear that every one must have courage to face

odd

> > situation, he must acquire knowledge, must improve his logic,

must

> > have scientific aptitude, ready to work hard, have patience,

> > regularly try for his success, have some clear dream to achieve

etc.

> > Astrology is our heritage like a fort but we can not remain safe

in

> > fort in the era of missile. Likewise ancient knowledge is our

> > heritage, we must have proud over it but we can neither go back

to

> > forest / hut nor we can survive with that knowledge. So I will

like

> > to request all young members that never fall in the trap of

> > astrologer (this I am saying after +35 years of study on

astrology),

> > and I am also not going to earn any thing from this alert signal.

No

> > doubt astronomy is a good subject (which is Vedic too) hence try

to

> > learn about it but not predictive astrology for deciding

important

> > factors of life, because astrology is merely a form of magic or

> > psychological game.

> >

> > I am inviting every young member to come forward and raise their

> > question on astrology either inquisitive or learning or

supportive

> > etc….Always remember that every unanswered question is the

gateway of

> > knowledge and discussion is the best way to improve your logic

hence

> > never kill your inquisitiveness. So do not be a silent reader

take

> > active part in discussion.

> >

> > I will also like to know as to how many members will like to

follow

> > my advise, and what is the opinion of elder members, so that we

may

> > continue our interaction.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Sanat

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