Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Ms Mrinalini, A Naadi reader in Hyderabd was stunningly accurate when he told my wife that she has one elder and one younger brother.He also correctly gave her father's and mother's name as also husband's ie my name without beating around the bush. But the climaxing point was when he told her that she was the first daughter from the first wife of her father who had married again on the premature death of his first wife ! While the past events were correctly given out however, none of the predictions made for the ensuing years came true. Not only that but there was not a single hint or a warning about a very serious renal surgical operation for which my wife was hospitalised the very next year.This was followed by another serious COPD problem in which she went into coma and was on ventilators for 3days in ICU.causing considerable loss of health and wealth-few lacs of rupees down the drain.I do not know why such life threatening events were not disclosed nor any remedies advised. May be we were not destined to know but to go through the sufferings as part of our fate. Then what is the purpose of Naadi? Is it meant to be a perinial source of livelihood for Naadi owners and those who do all the pariharas- the remedial measures and benifit all those connected with this activity directly or indirecrly ? Is this a part of some socio- economic programme which keeps money in circulation and prevents stagnation in economic activities ? Well,There are so many questions about Naadi for which we do not get answersfrom the Naadi owners or from those who have been trying to unravel the mystery of Naadi Shastra for several years.It is very intriguing and I wonder if we will ever know the full story.I would therefore suggest not to worry too much about what you get or do not get in Naadi reading. Take it as the Divine Wiil if you believe in one.And I am saying this with my experience of meeting several Naadi/ Samhita readers throughout our country for over two decades. God Bless. VB Deshmukh. --- mrinalini thapliyal <minthaps wrote: > > kindly enlighten me as to why --------------- >  > 1)  some readings hav some years missing ? eg > ... one friend who got his done --there was no > mention of the years from 42 to 49 and then the > mention starts after that. also the general kandam > was very sketchy and too general. he found his naadi > in pune. > would it be advisable to hav another naadi reading > done in the first case ? >  > 2) another person who died a few yrs back - > untimely death in an aircrash had got his naadi > reading in hyderabad and there was no mention of > death in that. > is it possible that death cant really be predicted > accurately even by the naadi or that the reader may > hav chosen not to mention it . >  >  >  >  > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! > Go to http://messenger./invite/ Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Yatchni is a demigod by pursuing which and keeping under your control you can find out the past of any customer approaching you.It is learnt that these spirits would tell in the ears of the foreteller about the oncoming persons.This kind of practises are mainly among the Thottia community of Tamilnadu who toils for 6 months and go as gypsys for 6 months.They are also called " kudukuduppaikkaran " in Tamil.They normally visit the houses in the early hours of 2 or 3 o'clock .They give out some prediction of their own and walk off.Next day morning they would visit the house and tell the owner mainly ladies that his Bommakka (demigod) said you ve this or that problem and will give remedies and fool them. The very exact practise is made by the Nadi astrologers. Thats why our Guru KSK said Nadi is 100%right ;but the nadi handlers are 99% wrong.I wonder how come Deshmukh was after these people for 2 decades. Once failure,twice tolerable,thrice unbearable.How come 20 years? God alone can help. Another point to probe-Nadi might ve been useful when the population was little and tolerable. Now with this mind throbing population using Nadi for finding your future is like 10 gms of asofetida dissolved in sea. Regards tkp NB::I would be happy if Deshmukh changes his stance of probing Nadi and wasting his precious time. On 11/11/08, vbdeshmukh <deshmukhv wrote: Ms Mrinalini,A Naadi reader in Hyderabd was stunningly accuratewhen he told my wife that she has one elder and oneyounger brother.He also correctly gave her father'sand mother's name as also husband's ie my name without beating around the bush. But the climaxing point waswhen he told her that she was the first daughter fromthe first wife of her father who had married again onthe premature death of his first wife ! While the past events were correctly given out however, none of thepredictions made for the ensuing years came true. Notonly that but there was not a single hint or a warningabout a very serious renal surgical operation for which my wife was hospitalised the very next year.Thiswas followed by another serious COPD problem in whichshe went into coma and was on ventilators for 3days inICU.causing considerable loss of health and wealth-few lacs of rupees down the drain.I do not know why suchlife threatening events were not disclosed nor anyremedies advised. May be we were not destined to knowbut to go through the sufferings as part of our fate. Then what is the purpose of Naadi? Is it meant to be aperinial source of livelihood for Naadi owners andthose who do all the pariharas- the remedial measuresand benifit all those connected with this activity directly or indirecrly ? Is this a part of some socio-economic programme which keeps money in circulationand prevents stagnation in economic activities ?Well,There are so many questions about Naadi for which we do not get answersfrom the Naadi owners or fromthose who have been trying to unravel the mystery ofNaadi Shastra for several years.It is very intriguingand I wonder if we will ever know the full story.I would therefore suggest not to worry too much aboutwhat you get or do not get in Naadi reading. Take itas the Divine Wiil if you believe in one.And I amsaying this with my experience of meeting severalNaadi/ Samhita readers throughout our country for over two decades.God Bless.VB Deshmukh.--- mrinalini thapliyal <minthaps wrote: > > kindly enlighten me as to why ---------------> > 1) some readings hav some years missing ? eg> ... one friend who got his done --there was no> mention of the years from 42 to 49 and then the > mention starts after that. also the general kandam> was very sketchy and too general. he found his naadi> in pune.> would it be advisable to hav another naadi reading> done in the first case ? > > 2) another person who died a few yrs back -> untimely death in an aircrash had got his naadi> reading in hyderabad and there was no mention of> death in that.> is it possible that death cant really be predicted > accurately even by the naadi or that the reader may> hav chosen not to mention it .> > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy!> Go to http://messenger./invite/ Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ -- TKP Ghopal32.2/40 Rajaratnam St.,Riverside Road, I Agraharam,SALEM-636 00193666 23444 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 Respected Shri Ghopalji, Namaskaram. I am both surprised and happy that you not only took note of my reply to Ms Mrinalini but also found time in your busy schedule abroad to offer your comments and advice on utilising my time, may be for a better purpose.Thanks.But it is rather late because at age 75 I hardly have any energy or the stamina to go after Naadi/ Samhita readers! By the way the tragedy with any advice is- the fools do not take it and the wise do not need it! So, the best course in my humble opinion is to keep our advice to ourselves.We are in this forum to discuss ,exchange and share our views, experience etc for furthering the objectives of this group and therefore it is upto us to maintain group discipline and decorum.Hope, you do not take me- good seventeen years senior to you amiss ! Coming back to Yatchini a demigod mentioned by you I would like to say that I did come across a person calling himself as Jyotishi hailing from Karnataka-Maharashtra border and moving in high society in Hyderabad.I was introduced to him by a friend and needless to say he did indeed surprise me by narating a very recent but very significant incident that had taken place in my life among other thigs.Later on, a learned individual enlightened me that such predictions are given with help of what is called " Karna-Pishacha - Karna is Ear and Pishacha is evil spirit or ghost who is worshipped and befriended.This whole business is termed as Aghori Vidya in Maharashtra.( I am sure Sanatji if he is reading this would find it difficult to stomach it!)But what is your personal experience if any in this regard ? Pl. quote from your first-hand experience. Who is Guru KSK ? How did he come to such a conclusion viz Naadi is 100% right but the handlers are 99% wrong ? How do you say that Naadi readers resort to Karna-Pishacha or Yatchini practice ? How many Naadi Readers you have met so far and most importantly are you saying all this with your personal experience? Can you please substantiate your stand on Naadi by better means than hearsays? If not, I am sorry you are talking about the taste of pudding which you have not eaten ! You are only giving the opinions of others which do not add up to much in justifying your stand. I understand from KP System followers that only geocentric Lunar longitudes are used in chart casting.Could you as a KP Bhakta kindly explain why topocentric longitudes are not used when the difference between the two may at times come to near about 1 degree ? Anyway, as our learned member Shri Kaulji says " you can make correct predictions only from incorrect planetary data " And KP Bhaktas claim that they make the most correct predictions ! ( proving Shri Kaulji right ? ) Shri Ghopalji, pl forget and forgive the bickerings and enjoy your Malasiyan experience. Wishing you the very best in your assgnment, Regds. VB Deshmukh --- KP Ghopal <astrogopalji wrote: > Yatchni is a demigod by pursuing which and keeping > under your control you > can find out the past of any customer approaching > you.It is learnt that > these spirits would tell in the ears of the > foreteller about the oncoming > persons.This kind of practises are mainly among the > Thottia community of > Tamilnadu who toils for 6 months and go as gypsys > for 6 months.They are also > called " kudukuduppaikkaran " in Tamil.They normally > visit the houses in the > early hours of 2 or 3 o'clock .They give out some > prediction of their own > and walk off.Next day morning they would visit the > house and tell the owner > mainly ladies that his Bommakka (demigod) said you > ve this or that problem > and will give remedies and fool them. > > The very exact practise is made by the Nadi > astrologers. > Thats why our Guru KSK said Nadi is 100%right ;but > the nadi handlers are 99% > wrong. > I wonder how come Deshmukh was after these people > for 2 decades. > Once failure,twice tolerable,thrice unbearable.How > come 20 years? > God alone can help. > Another point to probe-Nadi might ve been useful > when the population was > little and tolerable. > Now with this mind throbing population using Nadi > for finding your future is > like 10 gms of asofetida dissolved in sea. > Regards > tkp > NB::I would be happy if Deshmukh changes his stance > of probing Nadi and > wasting his precious time. > > On 11/11/08, vbdeshmukh <deshmukhv > wrote: > > > > Ms Mrinalini, > > A Naadi reader in Hyderabd was stunningly accurate > > when he told my wife that she has one elder and > one > > younger brother.He also correctly gave her > father's > > and mother's name as also husband's ie my name > without > > beating around the bush. But the climaxing point > was > > when he told her that she was the first daughter > from > > the first wife of her father who had married again > on > > the premature death of his first wife ! While the > past > > events were correctly given out however, none of > the > > predictions made for the ensuing years came true. > Not > > only that but there was not a single hint or a > warning > > about a very serious renal surgical operation for > > which my wife was hospitalised the very next > year.This > > was followed by another serious COPD problem in > which > > she went into coma and was on ventilators for > 3days in > > ICU.causing considerable loss of health and > wealth-few > > lacs of rupees down the drain.I do not know why > such > > life threatening events were not disclosed nor any > > remedies advised. May be we were not destined to > know > > but to go through the sufferings as part of our > fate. > > Then what is the purpose of Naadi? Is it meant to > be a > > perinial source of livelihood for Naadi owners and > > those who do all the pariharas- the remedial > measures > > and benifit all those connected with this activity > > directly or indirecrly ? Is this a part of some > socio- > > economic programme which keeps money in > circulation > > and prevents stagnation in economic activities ? > > Well,There are so many questions about Naadi for > which > > we do not get answersfrom the Naadi owners or from > > those who have been trying to unravel the mystery > of > > Naadi Shastra for several years.It is very > intriguing > > and I wonder if we will ever know the full story.I > > would therefore suggest not to worry too much > about > > what you get or do not get in Naadi reading. Take > it > > as the Divine Wiil if you believe in one.And I am > > saying this with my experience of meeting several > > Naadi/ Samhita readers throughout our country for > over > > two decades. > > God Bless. > > VB Deshmukh. > > > > --- mrinalini thapliyal <minthaps > <minthaps%40.co.in>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > kindly enlighten me as to why --------------- > > > > > > 1) some readings hav some years missing ? eg > > > ... one friend who got his done --there was no > > > mention of the years from 42 to 49 and then the > > > mention starts after that. also the general > kandam > > > was very sketchy and too general. he found his > naadi > > > in pune. > > > would it be advisable to hav another naadi > reading > > > done in the first case ? > > > > > > 2) another person who died a few yrs back - > > > untimely death in an aircrash had got his naadi > > > reading in hyderabad and there was no mention of > > > death in that. > > > is it possible that death cant really be > predicted > > > accurately even by the naadi or that the reader > may > > > hav chosen not to mention it . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! > > > Go to http://messenger./invite/ > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go > to > > http://messenger./invite/ > > > > > > > > -- > TKP Ghopal > 32.2/40 Rajaratnam St.,Riverside Road, > I Agraharam,SALEM-636 001 > 93666 23444 > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 Thank you Shri Deshmukhji So kind of you to come online at this age,I probably visualise you must be quite hale and healthy at 75 and I wish you to be. KSK is the father of KP sysem .The way you call me bhaktha clearls that you are anti KP. You use either geocentric or geographic, ultimate end is to obtain a fair amount of reading for the native. I had been to Nadi ppl only thrice ,once for myself and other times by the invitation of others. Exactly the same way you explained to MS.Mrinalini, I too experianced with him. And again absolutely nothing happened in future prediction . Why waste time,money and energy? In the meanwhile I came across Kp. Kindly not to be misunderstood with me that I went on with advises. You were very clear in stating what happened with your wife. May be that infuriated me to say why waste 20 long years after the no good system. And certainly I ll keep my advise with me as you rightly said-fools dont take it ;wises dont need it. I am really happy to have come across wit you. With kind reagards tkp On 11/14/08, vbdeshmukh <deshmukhv wrote: Respected Shri Ghopalji,Namaskaram.I am both surprised and happy that you not only tooknote of my reply to Ms Mrinalini but also found timein your busy schedule abroad to offer your commentsand advice on utilising my time, may be for a better purpose.Thanks.But it is rather late because at age 75I hardly have any energy or the stamina to go afterNaadi/ Samhita readers! By the way the tragedy withany advice is- the fools do not take it and the wise do not need it! So, the best course in my humble opinion is to keep our advice to ourselves.We are inthis forum to discuss ,exchange and share our views,experience etc for furthering the objectives of this group and therefore it is upto us to maintain groupdiscipline and decorum.Hope, you do not take me- goodseventeen years senior to you amiss !Coming back to Yatchini a demigod mentioned by you Iwould like to say that I did come across a person calling himself as Jyotishi hailing fromKarnataka-Maharashtra border and moving in highsociety in Hyderabad.I was introduced to him by afriend and needless to say he did indeed surprise meby narating a very recent but very significant incident that had taken place in my life among otherthigs.Later on, a learned individual enlightened methat such predictions are given with help of what iscalled " Karna-Pishacha - Karna is Ear and Pishacha is evil spirit or ghost who is worshipped andbefriended.This whole business is termed as AghoriVidya in Maharashtra.( I am sure Sanatji if he isreading this would find it difficult to stomachit!)But what is your personal experience if any in this regard ? Pl. quote from your first-handexperience.Who is Guru KSK ? How did he come to such a conclusionviz Naadi is 100% right but the handlers are 99% wrong? How do you say that Naadi readers resort to Karna-Pishacha or Yatchini practice ?How many Naadi Readers you have met so far and mostimportantly are you saying all this with your personalexperience? Can you please substantiate your stand onNaadi by better means than hearsays? If not, I am sorry you are talking about the taste of pudding whichyou have not eaten ! You are only giving the opinionsof others which do not add up to much in justifyingyour stand.I understand from KP System followers that only geocentric Lunar longitudes are used in chartcasting.Could you as a KP Bhakta kindly explain whytopocentric longitudes are not used when thedifference between the two may at times come to nearabout 1 degree ? Anyway, as our learned member Shri Kaulji says " youcan make correct predictions only from incorrectplanetary data " And KP Bhaktas claim that they makethe most correct predictions ! ( proving Shri Kaulji right ? ) Shri Ghopalji, pl forget and forgive the bickeringsand enjoy your Malasiyan experience.Wishing you the very best in your assgnment,Regds.VB Deshmukh --- KP Ghopal <astrogopalji wrote: > Yatchni is a demigod by pursuing which and keeping> under your control you> can find out the past of any customer approaching> you.It is learnt that> these spirits would tell in the ears of the > foreteller about the oncoming> persons.This kind of practises are mainly among the> Thottia community of> Tamilnadu who toils for 6 months and go as gypsys> for 6 months.They are also> called " kudukuduppaikkaran " in Tamil.They normally > visit the houses in the> early hours of 2 or 3 o'clock .They give out some> prediction of their own> and walk off.Next day morning they would visit the> house and tell the owner> mainly ladies that his Bommakka (demigod) said you > ve this or that problem> and will give remedies and fool them.> > The very exact practise is made by the Nadi> astrologers.> Thats why our Guru KSK said Nadi is 100%right ;but> the nadi handlers are 99% > wrong.> I wonder how come Deshmukh was after these people> for 2 decades.> Once failure,twice tolerable,thrice unbearable.How> come 20 years?> God alone can help.> Another point to probe-Nadi might ve been useful > when the population was> little and tolerable.> Now with this mind throbing population using Nadi> for finding your future is> like 10 gms of asofetida dissolved in sea.> Regards > tkp> NB::I would be happy if Deshmukh changes his stance> of probing Nadi and> wasting his precious time.> > On 11/11/08, vbdeshmukh <deshmukhv > wrote:> >> > Ms Mrinalini,> > A Naadi reader in Hyderabd was stunningly accurate> > when he told my wife that she has one elder and> one> > younger brother.He also correctly gave her > father's> > and mother's name as also husband's ie my name> without> > beating around the bush. But the climaxing point> was> > when he told her that she was the first daughter > from> > the first wife of her father who had married again> on> > the premature death of his first wife ! While the> past> > events were correctly given out however, none of > the> > predictions made for the ensuing years came true.> Not> > only that but there was not a single hint or a> warning> > about a very serious renal surgical operation for > > which my wife was hospitalised the very next> year.This> > was followed by another serious COPD problem in> which> > she went into coma and was on ventilators for> 3days in > > ICU.causing considerable loss of health and> wealth-few> > lacs of rupees down the drain.I do not know why> such> > life threatening events were not disclosed nor any> > remedies advised. May be we were not destined to > know> > but to go through the sufferings as part of our> fate.> > Then what is the purpose of Naadi? Is it meant to> be a> > perinial source of livelihood for Naadi owners and > > those who do all the pariharas- the remedial> measures> > and benifit all those connected with this activity> > directly or indirecrly ? Is this a part of some> socio-> > economic programme which keeps money in > circulation> > and prevents stagnation in economic activities ?> > Well,There are so many questions about Naadi for> which> > we do not get answersfrom the Naadi owners or from > > those who have been trying to unravel the mystery> of> > Naadi Shastra for several years.It is very> intriguing> > and I wonder if we will ever know the full story.I> > would therefore suggest not to worry too much > about> > what you get or do not get in Naadi reading. Take> it> > as the Divine Wiil if you believe in one.And I am> > saying this with my experience of meeting several> > Naadi/ Samhita readers throughout our country for > over> > two decades.> > God Bless.> > VB Deshmukh.> >> > --- mrinalini thapliyal <minthaps > <minthaps%40.co.in>> > > wrote:> >> > >> > > kindly enlighten me as to why ---------------> > >> > > 1) some readings hav some years missing ? eg > > > ... one friend who got his done --there was no> > > mention of the years from 42 to 49 and then the> > > mention starts after that. also the general> kandam> > > was very sketchy and too general. he found his > naadi> > > in pune.> > > would it be advisable to hav another naadi> reading> > > done in the first case ?> > >> > > 2) another person who died a few yrs back - > > > untimely death in an aircrash had got his naadi> > > reading in hyderabad and there was no mention of> > > death in that.> > > is it possible that death cant really be > predicted> > > accurately even by the naadi or that the reader> may> > > hav chosen not to mention it .> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >> > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy!> > > Go to http://messenger./invite/ > >> > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go> to> > http://messenger./invite/ > > > >> > > > -- > TKP Ghopal> 32.2/40 Rajaratnam St.,Riverside Road,> I Agraharam,SALEM-636 001> 93666 23444> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ -- TKP Ghopal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Dear Deshmukhji, (I am hesitant to address you as Deshmukh-bhai these days---and I am sure you know why!) Namaskar! < Karna-Pishacha - Karna is Ear and Pishacha is evil spirit or ghost who is worshipped and befriended.This whole business is termed as Aghori Vidya in Maharashtra.> It was reported in a Tamil magazine several years back that a world famous palmist from Europe had " subjugated " some " Karna-Pishachika " and that is why he was able to predict things quite accurately in every case. That palmist has written several books on palmistry and also numerology etc. and I have studied most of them. The way his predictions were successful could never have been the case if those had been based just on the principles he has adumbrated in his books! He definitely did have something up his sleeve! Ironically, that world famous palmist is said to have died in a gutter while muttering some incomprehensible words, as he was overpowered by the same " karna-pishachika " that had made him world famous and rich! While being subjugated, Karna-pishachikas impose certain conditions, which are very very horrible, the first and foremost being that you have to give up your sacred thread (janyevu) and not recite Gayatri Mantra or Maha Mrityunjaya Mantra etc. in any case at all! All this had been narrated as a first hand experience by a " sadhaka " in a book published most probably by OUP about thirty years back, and that book had been reviewed by the Hindustan Times. It is from that review that these incidents are being quoted by me! < Anyway, as our learned member Shri Kaulji says " you can make correct predictions only from incorrect planetary data " And KP Bhaktas claim that they make the most correct predictions ! ( proving Shri Kaulji right ? )> As already explained in my earlier post, what intrigues me most about KP Padhdhati is as to how can both the ayanamshas---the original Krishnamurti and the Lahiri---be correct simultaneously, since with a difference of six arc-minutes in the two Ayanamshas, almost all subs get transferred to a different lord, which means a difference of heaven and earth in results! For example, in Horary Astrology,6th Reader, Krishnamurti has given the list of subs on page 89. The first sub ruled by Mars is from 0-0-0 to 0-46-40 whereas from 0-46-0 to 3-0-0 it is Venus. Thus if the longitude of a planet is 0-43-0 it will be in the sub of Mars as per Krishnamurti Ayanamsha. However, the same will have a longitude of 0-49-0 as per Lahiri Ayanamsha, making it in the sub of Venus! Same is the case with quite a few other subs! But both Krishnamurthi Ayanamsha wala followers of KP as well as Lahiri Ayanamsha followers of KP claim accurate results! THAT IS AN IMPOSSIBILITY! In other words, both are making correct predictions from incorrect data! <Could you as a KP Bhakta kindly explain why topocentric longitudes are not used when the difference between the two may at times come to near about 1 degree ?> You can rest assured that almost 90 per cent of " Vedic astrologers " or even KP astrologers have no idea about " topocentric " longitudes---since after all, they are supposed to get Doctorates in predictive jyotish --- for which all you need is that you must have mugged the " principles " (sic!) of phalita as explained by stalwarts---especially BVR and KNR or even " shodhitha Manan Jyotish Martand K. S. Krishnamurti " . You do not need any knowledge of astronomy--at least not the real astronomy! There is every possibility that if these jyotishis started using correct planetary longitudes, may be none of their predictions will come true---as the predictions they make have also geared themselves to Kali-yuga---yield correct results only from incorrect knowledge and data! With regards, A K Kaul , vbdeshmukh <deshmukhv wrote: > > Respected Shri Ghopalji, > Namaskaram. > I am both surprised and happy that you not only took > note of my reply to Ms Mrinalini but also found time > in your busy schedule abroad to offer your comments > and advice on utilising my time, may be for a better > purpose.Thanks.But it is rather late because at age 75 > I hardly have any energy or the stamina to go after > Naadi/ Samhita readers! By the way the tragedy with > any advice is- the fools do not take it and the wise > do not need it! So, the best course in my humble > opinion is to keep our advice to ourselves.We are in > this forum to discuss ,exchange and share our views, > experience etc for furthering the objectives of this > group and therefore it is upto us to maintain group > discipline and decorum.Hope, you do not take me- good > seventeen years senior to you amiss ! > Coming back to Yatchini a demigod mentioned by you I > would like to say that I did come across a person > calling himself as Jyotishi hailing from > Karnataka-Maharashtra border and moving in high > society in Hyderabad.I was introduced to him by a > friend and needless to say he did indeed surprise me > by narating a very recent but very significant > incident that had taken place in my life among other > thigs.Later on, a learned individual enlightened me > that such predictions are given with help of what is > called " Karna-Pishacha - Karna is Ear and Pishacha is > evil spirit or ghost who is worshipped and > befriended.This whole business is termed as Aghori > Vidya in Maharashtra.( I am sure Sanatji if he is > reading this would find it difficult to stomach > it!)But what is your personal experience if any in > this regard ? Pl. quote from your first-hand > experience. > Who is Guru KSK ? How did he come to such a conclusion > viz Naadi is 100% right but the handlers are 99% wrong > ? How do you say that Naadi readers resort to > Karna-Pishacha or Yatchini practice ? > How many Naadi Readers you have met so far and most > importantly are you saying all this with your personal > experience? Can you please substantiate your stand on > Naadi by better means than hearsays? If not, I am > sorry you are talking about the taste of pudding which > you have not eaten ! You are only giving the opinions > of others which do not add up to much in justifying > your stand. > I understand from KP System followers that only > geocentric Lunar longitudes are used in chart > casting.Could you as a KP Bhakta kindly explain why > topocentric longitudes are not used when the > difference between the two may at times come to near > about 1 degree ? > Anyway, as our learned member Shri Kaulji says " you > can make correct predictions only from incorrect > planetary data " And KP Bhaktas claim that they make > the most correct predictions ! ( proving Shri Kaulji > right ? ) > Shri Ghopalji, pl forget and forgive the bickerings > and enjoy your Malasiyan experience. > Wishing you the very best in your assgnment, > Regds. > VB Deshmukh > > > --- KP Ghopal <astrogopalji wrote: > > > Yatchni is a demigod by pursuing which and keeping > > under your control you > > can find out the past of any customer approaching > > you.It is learnt that > > these spirits would tell in the ears of the > > foreteller about the oncoming > > persons.This kind of practises are mainly among the > > Thottia community of > > Tamilnadu who toils for 6 months and go as gypsys > > for 6 months.They are also > > called " kudukuduppaikkaran " in Tamil.They normally > > visit the houses in the > > early hours of 2 or 3 o'clock .They give out some > > prediction of their own > > and walk off.Next day morning they would visit the > > house and tell the owner > > mainly ladies that his Bommakka (demigod) said you > > ve this or that problem > > and will give remedies and fool them. > > > > The very exact practise is made by the Nadi > > astrologers. > > Thats why our Guru KSK said Nadi is 100%right ;but > > the nadi handlers are 99% > > wrong. > > I wonder how come Deshmukh was after these people > > for 2 decades. > > Once failure,twice tolerable,thrice unbearable.How > > come 20 years? > > God alone can help. > > Another point to probe-Nadi might ve been useful > > when the population was > > little and tolerable. > > Now with this mind throbing population using Nadi > > for finding your future is > > like 10 gms of asofetida dissolved in sea. > > Regards > > tkp > > NB::I would be happy if Deshmukh changes his stance > > of probing Nadi and > > wasting his precious time. > > > > On 11/11/08, vbdeshmukh <deshmukhv > > wrote: > > > > > > Ms Mrinalini, > > > A Naadi reader in Hyderabd was stunningly accurate > > > when he told my wife that she has one elder and > > one > > > younger brother.He also correctly gave her > > father's > > > and mother's name as also husband's ie my name > > without > > > beating around the bush. But the climaxing point > > was > > > when he told her that she was the first daughter > > from > > > the first wife of her father who had married again > > on > > > the premature death of his first wife ! While the > > past > > > events were correctly given out however, none of > > the > > > predictions made for the ensuing years came true. > > Not > > > only that but there was not a single hint or a > > warning > > > about a very serious renal surgical operation for > > > which my wife was hospitalised the very next > > year.This > > > was followed by another serious COPD problem in > > which > > > she went into coma and was on ventilators for > > 3days in > > > ICU.causing considerable loss of health and > > wealth-few > > > lacs of rupees down the drain.I do not know why > > such > > > life threatening events were not disclosed nor any > > > remedies advised. May be we were not destined to > > know > > > but to go through the sufferings as part of our > > fate. > > > Then what is the purpose of Naadi? Is it meant to > > be a > > > perinial source of livelihood for Naadi owners and > > > those who do all the pariharas- the remedial > > measures > > > and benifit all those connected with this activity > > > directly or indirecrly ? Is this a part of some > > socio- > > > economic programme which keeps money in > > circulation > > > and prevents stagnation in economic activities ? > > > Well,There are so many questions about Naadi for > > which > > > we do not get answersfrom the Naadi owners or from > > > those who have been trying to unravel the mystery > > of > > > Naadi Shastra for several years.It is very > > intriguing > > > and I wonder if we will ever know the full story.I > > > would therefore suggest not to worry too much > > about > > > what you get or do not get in Naadi reading. Take > > it > > > as the Divine Wiil if you believe in one.And I am > > > saying this with my experience of meeting several > > > Naadi/ Samhita readers throughout our country for > > over > > > two decades. > > > God Bless. > > > VB Deshmukh. > > > > > > --- mrinalini thapliyal <minthaps > > <minthaps%40.co.in>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > kindly enlighten me as to why --------------- > > > > > > > > 1) some readings hav some years missing ? eg > > > > ... one friend who got his done --there was no > > > > mention of the years from 42 to 49 and then the > > > > mention starts after that. also the general > > kandam > > > > was very sketchy and too general. he found his > > naadi > > > > in pune. > > > > would it be advisable to hav another naadi > > reading > > > > done in the first case ? > > > > > > > > 2) another person who died a few yrs back - > > > > untimely death in an aircrash had got his naadi > > > > reading in hyderabad and there was no mention of > > > > death in that. > > > > is it possible that death cant really be > > predicted > > > > accurately even by the naadi or that the reader > > may > > > > hav chosen not to mention it . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! > > > > Go to http://messenger./invite/ > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go > > to > > > http://messenger./invite/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > TKP Ghopal > > 32.2/40 Rajaratnam St.,Riverside Road, > > I Agraharam,SALEM-636 001 > > 93666 23444 > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 BIRTH AND DEATH INFORMATION AstroDatabank gives the following data, rated A, from memory, as given to Kraum by him. He was born on November 1, 1866, at 10:53 LMT in Dublin, Ireland. However, in a page devoted to the history of palmistry, Jon St. Germain notes that Cheiro was born in Bray, just south of Dublin. Cheiro died on October 8, 1936, in Hollywood, CA, at the age of 69. Cheiro (November 1, 1866 - October 8, 1936), was one of the most famous and colorful occult figures of the early Twentieth Century. Born in Dublin, Ireland as William John Warner, Cheiro also went by the name Count Louis Hamon (or Count Leigh de Hamong), claiming a noble ancestry that may or may not have been accurate. His name, Cheiro, derives from the word cheiromancy -- meaning palmistry. Cheiro was a supposed clairvoyant who taught palmistry (or cheiromancy), astrology, and Chaldean numerology, and used these forms of divination to make predictions, both personal ones for clients, and more general ones about coming world events. Biography As mentioned in his memoirs, Cheiro acquired his magnificent expertise in India. He went to India and landed at the Bombay port when he was a teenager. There he met his Guru, an Indian Brahmin, who took him to his village situated in the valley of the Konkan region of Maharashtra. After studying thoroughly for two years there he came back to London and started his career as a palmist. Cheiro had a wide following of famous European and American clients during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. He read the palms and told the fortunes of famous celebrities like Mark Twain, W. T. Stead, Sarah Bernhardt, Mata Hari, Oscar Wilde, Grover Cleveland, Thomas Edison, the Prince of Wales, General Kitchener, William Gladstone, and Joseph Chamberlain. He documented his sittings with these clients by asking them to sign a guest book he kept for the purpose, in which he encouraged them to comment on their experiences as subjects of his character analyses and predictions. In his own autobiographical book, "Cheiro's Memoirs: The Reminiscences of a Society Palmist", he included accounts of his interviews with King Edward VII, William Gladstone, Charles Stewart Parnell, Henry Morton Stanley, Sarah Bernhardt, Oscar Wilde, Professor Max Muller, Blanche Roosevelt, the Comte de Paris, Joseph Chamberlain, Lord Russell of Killowen, Robert Ingersoll, Ella Wheeler Wilcox, Lillie Langtry, Mark Twain, W.T. Stead (of Titanic fame), Richard Croker, Natalia Janotha, and other prominent people of his era. In the book Titanic's Last Secrets is a detailed account of one of Cheiro's palm readings with William Pirrie, chairman of Harland and Wolf, builders of the Titanic. Cheiro predicted that he would soon be in a fight for his life, talking about the battle surrounding the Titanic sinking. So popular was Cheiro as a "Society Palmist" that even those who were not believers in the occult had their hands read by him. The skeptical Mark Twain wrote in Cheiro's visitor's book: "Cheiro has exposed my character to me with humiliating accuracy. I ought not to confess this accuracy, still I am moved to do so." - Mark Twain. After some years in London, and many world travels, Cheiro moved to America. He spent his final years in Hollywood, seeing as many as twenty clients a day and doing some screenwriting before his death there in 1936 at the age of 69. The occult books Cheiro wrote centered on fortune telling. They include two on astrology: "When Were You Born?" and "You and Your Stars"; four on palmistry: "Cheiro's Language of the Hand" (first self-published in 1897), "Cheiro's Guide to the Hand", "You and Your Hand" and "Cheiro's Palmistry for All"; one on numerology: "Cheiro's Book of Numbers"; and one book of prognostications: "Cheiro's Book of World Predictions". In addition, he wrote a collection of attested tales of paranormal experiences called "True Ghost Stories." His only work of fiction, "A Study of Destiny" (also published as "The Hand of Fate"), was first released in 1898. Many of Cheiro's books on occultism and fortune telling are still in print today and are available in both English and foreign language editions. In 2006 the University of Tampa Press issued a critical new edition of his fictional work, "A Study of Destiny", as the second volume of "Insistent Visions", a series dedicated to reprinting little-known or neglected works of supernatural fiction, science fiction, mysteries, or adventure stories from the 19th century. The new edition is edited with an introduction, afterword, and notes by Sean Donnelly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheiro ========================================================== Tail peice --Karna pisachini worshippers keep a cloth or cotton soaked in stool or urine in their ears .Also most of them drinks and eats raw meat as demanded by karna pisachini as it her food to keep her happy ,offcource they die a miserable death .due to raw meat use and continous drinking and finaly she will strt giving troubles to him and also there will b continous noice in his ear which will b highly intolerable to him a good yogi or tantric can reliev him out of this clutches and miserable death .It depnds on his good karma ============================================================ , "Avtar Krishen Kaul" <jyotirved wrote:>> Dear Deshmukhji, (I am hesitant to address you as Deshmukh-bhai these> days---and I am sure you know why!)> Namaskar!> < Karna-Pishacha - Karna is Ear and Pishacha is evil spirit or ghost> who is worshipped and befriended.This whole business is termed as> Aghori Vidya in Maharashtra.>> It was reported in a Tamil magazine several years back that a world> famous palmist from Europe had "subjugated" some "Karna-Pishachika"> and that is why he was able to predict things quite accurately in> every case. That palmist has written several books on palmistry and> also numerology etc. and I have studied most of them. The way his> predictions were successful could never have been the case if those> had been based just on the principles he has adumbrated in his books!> He definitely did have something up his sleeve!> > Ironically, that world famous palmist is said to have died in a gutter> while muttering some incomprehensible words, as he was overpowered by> the same "karna-pishachika" that had made him world famous and rich! > While being subjugated, Karna-pishachikas impose certain conditions,> which are very very horrible, the first and foremost being that you> have to give up your sacred thread (janyevu) and not recite Gayatri> Mantra or Maha Mrityunjaya Mantra etc. in any case at all! > All this had been narrated as a first hand experience by a "sadhaka"> in a book published most probably by OUP about thirty years back, and> that book had been reviewed by the Hindustan Times. It is from that> review that these incidents are being quoted by me!> > < Anyway, as our learned member Shri Kaulji says " you can make> correct predictions only from incorrect planetary data " And KP> Bhaktas claim that they make the most correct predictions ! ( proving> Shri Kaulji right ? )>> As already explained in my earlier post, what intrigues me most about> KP Padhdhati is as to how can both the ayanamshas---the original> Krishnamurti and the Lahiri---be correct simultaneously, since with a> difference of six arc-minutes in the two Ayanamshas, almost all subs> get transferred to a different lord, which means a difference of> heaven and earth in results! For example, in Horary Astrology,6th> Reader, Krishnamurti has given the list of subs on page 89. The first> sub ruled by Mars is from 0-0-0 to 0-46-40 whereas from 0-46-0 to> 3-0-0 it is Venus. Thus if the longitude of a planet is 0-43-0 it> will be in the sub of Mars as per Krishnamurti Ayanamsha. However,> the same will have a longitude of 0-49-0 as per Lahiri Ayanamsha,> making it in the sub of Venus!> Same is the case with quite a few other subs! But both Krishnamurthi> Ayanamsha wala followers of KP as well as Lahiri Ayanamsha followers> of KP claim accurate results! THAT IS AN IMPOSSIBILITY!> In other words, both are making correct predictions from incorrect data!> <Could you as a KP Bhakta kindly explain why topocentric longitudes> are not used when the difference between the two may at times come to> near about 1 degree ?>> You can rest assured that almost 90 per cent of "Vedic astrologers" or> even KP astrologers have no idea about "topocentric"> longitudes---since after all, they are supposed to get Doctorates in> predictive jyotish --- for which all you need is that you must have> mugged the "principles" (sic!) of phalita as explained by> stalwarts---especially BVR and KNR or even "shodhitha Manan Jyotish> Martand K. S. Krishnamurti". You do not need any knowledge of> astronomy--at least not the real astronomy! There is every> possibility that if these jyotishis started using correct planetary> longitudes, may be none of their predictions will come true---as the> predictions they make have also geared themselves to Kali-yuga---yield> correct results only from incorrect knowledge and data!> With regards,> A K Kaul> > > > , vbdeshmukh deshmukhv@> wrote:> >> > Respected Shri Ghopalji,> > Namaskaram.> > I am both surprised and happy that you not only took> > note of my reply to Ms Mrinalini but also found time> > in your busy schedule abroad to offer your comments> > and advice on utilising my time, may be for a better> > purpose.Thanks.But it is rather late because at age 75> > I hardly have any energy or the stamina to go after> > Naadi/ Samhita readers! By the way the tragedy with> > any advice is- the fools do not take it and the wise> > do not need it! So, the best course in my humble > > opinion is to keep our advice to ourselves.We are in> > this forum to discuss ,exchange and share our views,> > experience etc for furthering the objectives of this> > group and therefore it is upto us to maintain group> > discipline and decorum.Hope, you do not take me- good> > seventeen years senior to you amiss !> > Coming back to Yatchini a demigod mentioned by you I> > would like to say that I did come across a person> > calling himself as Jyotishi hailing from> > Karnataka-Maharashtra border and moving in high> > society in Hyderabad.I was introduced to him by a> > friend and needless to say he did indeed surprise me> > by narating a very recent but very significant> > incident that had taken place in my life among other> > thigs.Later on, a learned individual enlightened me> > that such predictions are given with help of what is> > called " Karna-Pishacha - Karna is Ear and Pishacha is> > evil spirit or ghost who is worshipped and> > befriended.This whole business is termed as Aghori> > Vidya in Maharashtra.( I am sure Sanatji if he is> > reading this would find it difficult to stomach> > it!)But what is your personal experience if any in> > this regard ? Pl. quote from your first-hand> > experience.> > Who is Guru KSK ? How did he come to such a conclusion> > viz Naadi is 100% right but the handlers are 99% wrong> > ? How do you say that Naadi readers resort to> > Karna-Pishacha or Yatchini practice ?> > How many Naadi Readers you have met so far and most> > importantly are you saying all this with your personal> > experience? Can you please substantiate your stand on> > Naadi by better means than hearsays? If not, I am> > sorry you are talking about the taste of pudding which> > you have not eaten ! You are only giving the opinions> > of others which do not add up to much in justifying> > your stand.> > I understand from KP System followers that only> > geocentric Lunar longitudes are used in chart> > casting.Could you as a KP Bhakta kindly explain why> > topocentric longitudes are not used when the> > difference between the two may at times come to near> > about 1 degree ?> > Anyway, as our learned member Shri Kaulji says " you> > can make correct predictions only from incorrect> > planetary data " And KP Bhaktas claim that they make> > the most correct predictions ! ( proving Shri Kaulji> > right ? ) > > Shri Ghopalji, pl forget and forgive the bickerings> > and enjoy your Malasiyan experience.> > Wishing you the very best in your assgnment,> > Regds.> > VB Deshmukh> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Shri Prashanth Nairji, Was Cheiro also a " Vedic astrologer " ? AKK , " prashanthnair999 " <prashanthnair999 wrote: > > BIRTH AND DEATH INFORMATION > AstroDatabank <http://www.astrodatabank.com/> gives the following data, > rated A, from memory, as given to Kraum by him. He was born on November > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 ==========================================================Tail peice --Karna pisachini worshippers keep a cloth or cotton soaked in stool or urine in their ears .Also most of them drinks and eats raw meat as demanded by karna pisachini as it her food to keep her happy ,offcource they die a miserable death .due to raw meat use and continous drinking and finaly she will strt giving troubles to him and also there will b continous noice in his ear which will b highly intolerable to him a good yogi or tantric can reliev him out of this clutches and miserable death .It depnds on his good karma ============================== On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 10:45 AM, prashanthnair999 <prashanthnair999 wrote: BIRTH AND DEATH INFORMATION AstroDatabank gives the following data, rated A, from memory, as given to Kraum by him. He was born on November 1, 1866, at 10:53 LMT in Dublin, Ireland. However, in a page devoted to the history of palmistry, Jon St. Germain notes that Cheiro was born in Bray, just south of Dublin. Cheiro died on October 8, 1936, in Hollywood, CA, at the age of 69. Cheiro (November 1, 1866 - October 8, 1936), was one of the most famous and colorful occult figures of the early Twentieth Century. Born in Dublin, Ireland as William John Warner, Cheiro also went by the name Count Louis Hamon (or Count Leigh de Hamong), claiming a noble ancestry that may or may not have been accurate. His name, Cheiro, derives from the word cheiromancy -- meaning palmistry. Cheiro was a supposed clairvoyant who taught palmistry (or cheiromancy), astrology, and Chaldean numerology, and used these forms of divination to make predictions, both personal ones for clients, and more general ones about coming world events. Biography As mentioned in his memoirs, Cheiro acquired his magnificent expertise in India. He went to India and landed at the Bombay port when he was a teenager. There he met his Guru, an Indian Brahmin, who took him to his village situated in the valley of the Konkan region of Maharashtra. After studying thoroughly for two years there he came back to London and started his career as a palmist. Cheiro had a wide following of famous European and American clients during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. He read the palms and told the fortunes of famous celebrities like Mark Twain, W. T. Stead, Sarah Bernhardt, Mata Hari, Oscar Wilde, Grover Cleveland, Thomas Edison, the Prince of Wales, General Kitchener, William Gladstone, and Joseph Chamberlain. He documented his sittings with these clients by asking them to sign a guest book he kept for the purpose, in which he encouraged them to comment on their experiences as subjects of his character analyses and predictions. In his own autobiographical book, " Cheiro's Memoirs: The Reminiscences of a Society Palmist " , he included accounts of his interviews with King Edward VII, William Gladstone, Charles Stewart Parnell, Henry Morton Stanley, Sarah Bernhardt, Oscar Wilde, Professor Max Muller, Blanche Roosevelt, the Comte de Paris, Joseph Chamberlain, Lord Russell of Killowen, Robert Ingersoll, Ella Wheeler Wilcox, Lillie Langtry, Mark Twain, W.T. Stead (of Titanic fame), Richard Croker, Natalia Janotha, and other prominent people of his era. In the book Titanic's Last Secrets is a detailed account of one of Cheiro's palm readings with William Pirrie, chairman of Harland and Wolf, builders of the Titanic. Cheiro predicted that he would soon be in a fight for his life, talking about the battle surrounding the Titanic sinking. So popular was Cheiro as a " Society Palmist " that even those who were not believers in the occult had their hands read by him. The skeptical Mark Twain wrote in Cheiro's visitor's book: " Cheiro has exposed my character to me with humiliating accuracy. I ought not to confess this accuracy, still I am moved to do so. " - Mark Twain. After some years in London, and many world travels, Cheiro moved to America. He spent his final years in Hollywood, seeing as many as twenty clients a day and doing some screenwriting before his death there in 1936 at the age of 69. The occult books Cheiro wrote centered on fortune telling. They include two on astrology: " When Were You Born? " and " You and Your Stars " ; four on palmistry: " Cheiro's Language of the Hand " (first self-published in 1897), " Cheiro's Guide to the Hand " , " You and Your Hand " and " Cheiro's Palmistry for All " ; one on numerology: " Cheiro's Book of Numbers " ; and one book of prognostications: " Cheiro's Book of World Predictions " . In addition, he wrote a collection of attested tales of paranormal experiences called " True Ghost Stories. " His only work of fiction, " A Study of Destiny " (also published as " The Hand of Fate " ), was first released in 1898. Many of Cheiro's books on occultism and fortune telling are still in print today and are available in both English and foreign language editions. In 2006 the University of Tampa Press issued a critical new edition of his fictional work, " A Study of Destiny " , as the second volume of " Insistent Visions " , a series dedicated to reprinting little-known or neglected works of supernatural fiction, science fiction, mysteries, or adventure stories from the 19th century. The new edition is edited with an introduction, afterword, and notes by Sean Donnelly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheiro ========================================================== Tail peice --Karna pisachini worshippers keep a cloth or cotton soaked in stool or urine in their ears .Also most of them drinks and eats raw meat as demanded by karna pisachini as it her food to keep her happy ,offcource they die a miserable death .due to raw meat use and continous drinking and finaly she will strt giving troubles to him and also there will b continous noice in his ear which will b highly intolerable to him a good yogi or tantric can reliev him out of this clutches and miserable death .It depnds on his good karma ============================================================ , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved wrote:>> Dear Deshmukhji, (I am hesitant to address you as Deshmukh-bhai these > days---and I am sure you know why!)> Namaskar!> < Karna-Pishacha - Karna is Ear and Pishacha is evil spirit or ghost> who is worshipped and befriended.This whole business is termed as> Aghori Vidya in Maharashtra.> > It was reported in a Tamil magazine several years back that a world> famous palmist from Europe had " subjugated " some " Karna-Pishachika " > and that is why he was able to predict things quite accurately in > every case. That palmist has written several books on palmistry and> also numerology etc. and I have studied most of them. The way his> predictions were successful could never have been the case if those > had been based just on the principles he has adumbrated in his books!> He definitely did have something up his sleeve!> > Ironically, that world famous palmist is said to have died in a gutter > while muttering some incomprehensible words, as he was overpowered by> the same " karna-pishachika " that had made him world famous and rich! > While being subjugated, Karna-pishachikas impose certain conditions, > which are very very horrible, the first and foremost being that you> have to give up your sacred thread (janyevu) and not recite Gayatri> Mantra or Maha Mrityunjaya Mantra etc. in any case at all! > All this had been narrated as a first hand experience by a " sadhaka " > in a book published most probably by OUP about thirty years back, and> that book had been reviewed by the Hindustan Times. It is from that> review that these incidents are being quoted by me!> > < Anyway, as our learned member Shri Kaulji says " you can make> correct predictions only from incorrect planetary data " And KP> Bhaktas claim that they make the most correct predictions ! ( proving > Shri Kaulji right ? )>> As already explained in my earlier post, what intrigues me most about> KP Padhdhati is as to how can both the ayanamshas---the original> Krishnamurti and the Lahiri---be correct simultaneously, since with a > difference of six arc-minutes in the two Ayanamshas, almost all subs> get transferred to a different lord, which means a difference of> heaven and earth in results! For example, in Horary Astrology,6th > Reader, Krishnamurti has given the list of subs on page 89. The first> sub ruled by Mars is from 0-0-0 to 0-46-40 whereas from 0-46-0 to> 3-0-0 it is Venus. Thus if the longitude of a planet is 0-43-0 it > will be in the sub of Mars as per Krishnamurti Ayanamsha. However,> the same will have a longitude of 0-49-0 as per Lahiri Ayanamsha,> making it in the sub of Venus!> Same is the case with quite a few other subs! But both Krishnamurthi > Ayanamsha wala followers of KP as well as Lahiri Ayanamsha followers> of KP claim accurate results! THAT IS AN IMPOSSIBILITY!> In other words, both are making correct predictions from incorrect data! > <Could you as a KP Bhakta kindly explain why topocentric longitudes> are not used when the difference between the two may at times come to> near about 1 degree ?>> You can rest assured that almost 90 per cent of " Vedic astrologers " or > even KP astrologers have no idea about " topocentric " > longitudes---since after all, they are supposed to get Doctorates in> predictive jyotish --- for which all you need is that you must have > mugged the " principles " (sic!) of phalita as explained by> stalwarts---especially BVR and KNR or even " shodhitha Manan Jyotish> Martand K. S. Krishnamurti " . You do not need any knowledge of > astronomy--at least not the real astronomy! There is every> possibility that if these jyotishis started using correct planetary> longitudes, may be none of their predictions will come true---as the> predictions they make have also geared themselves to Kali-yuga---yield > correct results only from incorrect knowledge and data!> With regards,> A K Kaul> > > > , vbdeshmukh deshmukhv@ > wrote:> >> > Respected Shri Ghopalji,> > Namaskaram.> > I am both surprised and happy that you not only took> > note of my reply to Ms Mrinalini but also found time > > in your busy schedule abroad to offer your comments> > and advice on utilising my time, may be for a better> > purpose.Thanks.But it is rather late because at age 75> > I hardly have any energy or the stamina to go after > > Naadi/ Samhita readers! By the way the tragedy with> > any advice is- the fools do not take it and the wise> > do not need it! So, the best course in my humble > > opinion is to keep our advice to ourselves.We are in > > this forum to discuss ,exchange and share our views,> > experience etc for furthering the objectives of this> > group and therefore it is upto us to maintain group> > discipline and decorum.Hope, you do not take me- good > > seventeen years senior to you amiss !> > Coming back to Yatchini a demigod mentioned by you I> > would like to say that I did come across a person> > calling himself as Jyotishi hailing from > > Karnataka-Maharashtra border and moving in high> > society in Hyderabad.I was introduced to him by a> > friend and needless to say he did indeed surprise me> > by narating a very recent but very significant > > incident that had taken place in my life among other> > thigs.Later on, a learned individual enlightened me> > that such predictions are given with help of what is> > called " Karna-Pishacha - Karna is Ear and Pishacha is > > evil spirit or ghost who is worshipped and> > befriended.This whole business is termed as Aghori> > Vidya in Maharashtra.( I am sure Sanatji if he is> > reading this would find it difficult to stomach > > it!)But what is your personal experience if any in> > this regard ? Pl. quote from your first-hand> > experience.> > Who is Guru KSK ? How did he come to such a conclusion> > viz Naadi is 100% right but the handlers are 99% wrong > > ? How do you say that Naadi readers resort to> > Karna-Pishacha or Yatchini practice ?> > How many Naadi Readers you have met so far and most> > importantly are you saying all this with your personal > > experience? Can you please substantiate your stand on> > Naadi by better means than hearsays? If not, I am> > sorry you are talking about the taste of pudding which> > you have not eaten ! You are only giving the opinions > > of others which do not add up to much in justifying> > your stand.> > I understand from KP System followers that only> > geocentric Lunar longitudes are used in chart> > casting.Could you as a KP Bhakta kindly explain why > > topocentric longitudes are not used when the> > difference between the two may at times come to near> > about 1 degree ?> > Anyway, as our learned member Shri Kaulji says " you > > can make correct predictions only from incorrect> > planetary data " And KP Bhaktas claim that they make> > the most correct predictions ! ( proving Shri Kaulji> > right ? ) > > Shri Ghopalji, pl forget and forgive the bickerings> > and enjoy your Malasiyan experience.> > Wishing you the very best in your assgnment,> > Regds.> > VB Deshmukh> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 same age old ignorent ramayana question ,ramanukku eppadi seetha ?? who is seetha ji for raman , "Avtar Krishen Kaul" <jyotirved wrote:>> Shri Prashanth Nairji,> Was Cheiro also a "Vedic astrologer"?> AKK> , "prashanthnair999" > prashanthnair999@ wrote:> >> > BIRTH AND DEATH INFORMATION> > AstroDatabank <http://www.astrodatabank.com/> gives the following > data,> > rated A, from memory, as given to Kraum by him. He was born on > November> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 you have already erroneously answered as karna-pisachas seetha aur geetha. On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 9:30 PM, prashanthnair999 <prashanthnair999 wrote: same age old ignorent ramayana question ,ramanukku eppadi seetha ?? who is seetha ji for raman , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved wrote:> > Shri Prashanth Nairji,> Was Cheiro also a " Vedic astrologer " ?> AKK> , " prashanthnair999 " > prashanthnair999@ wrote:> >> > BIRTH AND DEATH INFORMATION> > AstroDatabank <http://www.astrodatabank.com/> gives the following > data,> > rated A, from memory, as given to Kraum by him. He was born on > November> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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