The spirit of Astrology--Mumbai Attacked

December 3, 2008

Shri Prashant Nairji,

Namaskar!

Many thanks indeed for giving me yet another opportunity to expose

the methodology of top-notch jyotishis as to how they make a fool of

even well educated and well informed people like you!

I have gone through the article titled " Mumbai Attacked---India

disgraced " of Nov. 28, 2008, by Shri K. N. Rao in the Journal of

Astrology, regarding his so called astrological prediction (sic!) of

Mumbai terror attack. The article is available at the address (as

quoted by you)

http://www.journalofastrology.com/article.php?article_id=192

You have also quoted the same article in full in your post.

Honestly, it appears that you have neither assimilated the letter,

nor the spirit of the article that you have quoted with so much of

abusive language for anyone who dares ask as to why there was no

astrological assessment before hand about such an earth shaking

incident as Mumbai terror attacks!

And once again, you have given a proof of your lack of doing any real

homework but repeating exactly like a parrot the same words that

your " masters " have uttered! I am sure you know that a parrot does

not understand the real meaning of what he is " uttering " !

I have gone through this article several times to glean even a single

sentence that could be said to have hinted at such an attack before

hand, and here is what the article has actually done:

The main article of Nov. 28 is nothing but a long sermon as to what

the Govt. should have done or not done or what the TV channels were

doing and should actually have done or the opinion of some people

about India's un-preparedness for such an event etc. etc.! There is

absolutely nothing even as an astrological " post-mortem " of Mumbai

terrorist attacks---which the jyotishis usually do of such events!

By way of " astrological prediction " , all that the article does is

quote yet another article of July 31, 2008, by the same " learned

astrologer " , which again is a postmortem of Delhi terror attacks in

July 2008 (as usual, wise after the event!) instead of an

astrological assessment, leave alone a forewarning, of any future

attacks, much less the latest Mumbai attacks! Thus all that the

author has to offer us in his article of Nov. 28 is the following

snippet from his own article of July 31, 2008

" And it is the antardasha of Ketu in the seventh house in the

horoscope of India. I reminded the students that in 1981 I had

written in the Vishwa Vijay Panchanga (Hindi) that the Ketu dasha in

the Indian horoscope would be dreadful in many ways. "

I had been using several panchangas myself, but I hardly used Vishva-

Vijaya Panchanga, as it never had anything original but just a rehash

of who had said what, though in a changed phraseology! It was the

only panchanga which was published after every other panchanga had

appeared in the market—--maybe to glean from other " sources " as to

who had " predicted " what! And there are at least a thousand

panchangas in India being published in different languages!

Thus, in other words, the " learned author " has referred to some God

forsaken article in some God forsaken Panchang which he is supposed

to have written as back as 1981! And what he had " predicted " in that

article of July 31 is more amusing than informative, much less

a " forewarning " as this is what it has said, " And it is the

antardasha of Ketu in the seventh house in the horoscope of India. I

reminded the students that in 1981 I had written in the Vishwa Vijay

Panchanga (Hindi) that the Ketu dasha in the Indian horoscope would

be dreadful in many ways. " Thus even the " post-mortem " of July

attacks in Delhi is just as clumsy as it can get!

And Kethu Dasha, in Independent India's natal chart was from

September 11, 1982 to Sepember 11, 1989!

Thus in spite of his own encomium the " learned jyotishi " has not said

in those lines either that there would be terrorist attacks

but " Kethu Dasha in Indian horoscope would be dreadful in many

ways " ! And Kethu Dasha was already over in 1989! What a " marvelous "

prediction! No wonder that some " chamchas " are swooning on

such " accurate " and " pinpoint " predictions!

Same is the case with his article of July 29, 2008, titled Nuclear

Deal-1, to which he has referred to in his article of July 31. There

also the author has not said anywhere that there would be a terrorist

attack, but what he has done is yet another post-mortem! Let us hear

his " predictions " in his own words, " ...... And from 4th house Mars

is aspecting Ketu in the 7th house which makes situation very

explosive.... On 25/07/2008 explosions happened in the Banglore and

when I came back from class then I saw in the news that 17 blasts

happened in the Gujarat. "

Thus these articles by the " learned author " can be summarized as

follows:

All the State Governments as well as the Central Government should

have kept on scanning year after year Visvha Vijaya Panchanga of

1981, even if " the learned astrologer " had said just that " Kethu

dasha in Indian horoscope would be dreadful in many ways " and even if

Ketu Dasha was over in 1989. All the governments should have used

their Intelligence Agencies as to what the " wise and learned

astrologer " had " hinted at " and should have then waited patiently for

his further " hints " which he would never give, as to what he had

wanted to say, instead of what he had said!

Well, that is after all what we do with NOSTRADAMUS prophesies! Keep

on guessing as to what he should have said instead of what he had

said! And as is an open secret by now, NOSTRADAMUS PROPHESIES " come

true " only after some really earth shaking event has taken place!

Thus the " learned astrologer " has advised, by implication, that we

must have faith in our modern NOSTRADAMUS and " Prasharas "

and " Vamadevas " and forget about our Intelligence Agencies and employ

jyotishis to " guide us " with their " divine wisdom " . After all that

is what Varahamihira the great had suggested in his Brihat Samhita— " A

king must have a samvatsarika to guide him " (which means by

implication that there is no need for any spies and even armed

forces!)

And no wonder, you advocate that we must continue to celebrate our

festivals on the days " decreed " by such " learned astrologers " instead

of by our shastras!

Obviously, God only can save the largest democracy of the world from

such jyotishis and their chamchas.

Dhanyavad.

A K Kaul

, " prashanthnair999 "

<prashanthnair999 wrote:

>

> This is answer for ur blind eyes who dont see facts ( i ahv seen

> predictions but who will spread pearls b4 swines ) if predicted u

bash

> it ,if happened u generalise it But i am also converted dont

mind ,so

> i am 100% agreeing with u so long as i am getting money for it

> ,astrologers has no job or money their only aim is predict for free

for

> nations and individuals and then ppl like u who dont know head tail

of

> anything can bash it as it is more easy did u do spade work

which i

> told u and tell me what u find ,at least learn it in this old

age .

> long liv dollar and euro

> http://www.journalofastrology.com/article.php?article_id=192

> <http://www.journalofastrology.com/article.php?article_id=192>

> MUMBAI ATTACKED - INDIA DISGRACED

> [http://www.journalofastrology.com/images/tr.gif] KN

RAO 28

> November 2008, 8:28 AM

> No single incident in the history of independent India has

disgraced the

> nation as much as the terrorist attack on Bombay since the night of

26

> November. It continued for more than forty eight hours and the

Indian

> commandos were still operating and the terrorists had not been

killed or

> flushed out yet (6/26pm) at the time I started writing this piece.

>

> We were returning from Nathdwara and reached Jaipur on our way back

to

> Delhi on 26 November and it was there when I opened the internet

that I

> read about terrorists at Bombay. Some live pictures in the

television

> channels did show us some action pictures but we had to journey

back and

> it was only six hours after that we saw more of the television

pictures.

> As usual, the English televison channels were objective crisp and

> non-speculative in their coverage while the Hindi channels had many

> stupid women anchors (the eye ball formula) rattling off whatever

> nonsense it suited them to utter with some sentimental and patriotic

> looking stuff with fluency.

>

> What was the news ?Again one had to fall back on the English news

> channels to pick up some facts which were startling:

> (a) The terrorists had set up control rooms in these hotels. What

was

> the Bombay police doing and what has the UPA government to say in

its

> defence because it was happening in a Congress ruled state and not

a BJP

> ruled one which it could have blamed and patted its own back?

> b) Ammunition stored in these hotels used by the terrorists were

huge

> enough to wage a regular war for so many days.What was the Bombay

police

> doing and what has the UPA government to say in its defence because

it

> was happening in a Congress ruled state and not a BJP ruled one

which it

> could have blamed and patted its own back.

> c) The Bombay underworld helped the terrorists with full knowledge

of

> the layout of these hotels which commandos of Indian army did not

> know.These criminals also helped the terrorists with ammunition and

food

> to last for many days.

>

> A report from USA reads thus:

> US intelligence expert says Patil is incompetent

> Aziz Haniffa in Washington, DC November 28, 2008 11:28 IST

> Last Updated: November 28, 2008 11:29 IST

> Walter Andersen, a former senior Administration official, who

headed up

> the State Department's South Asia Division of the Intelligence and

> Research Bureau has said the Mumbai terrorist attacks showed

clearly a

> failure of India's intelligence and security apparatus and also the

> utter incompetence of Home Minister Shivraj Patil .

>

> " You have a totally incompetent home minister, and why he isn't

removed

> is beyond me, " he said, " He really doesn't know how to get the

> bureaucracy organised to have some sort of coordinated planning. " He

> acknowledged that in the wake of reports that the terrorists had

set up

> control rooms in the two hotels ahead of time, showed that " this

was a

> sophisticated, well planned set up. This is something that takes

months

> of planning. "

>

> It takes months of planning and the government of Maharastra and of

> India were not aware it ? Can there be a more disgraceful proof of

the

> inability of these governments to govern? They know, these

politicians,

> only the art of vote bank politics and cannot like USA,UK and other

> European pass stringent legislation and take ruthless action to

wipe out

> these. They will not and they cannot because they have to appease

some

> sections for their votes. They cannot see that their policies have

only

> encouraged the growth of home grown terrorists.

>

> And read thess two reports

> 1) Meanwhile, there are reports that Colaba police have impounded

four

> boats allegedly used by the terrorists to reach the Mumbai coast.

>

> 2) Thursday, Nov 27 2008

> Islamic terror group e-mailed threat to attack Mumbai two months ago

> By Daily Mail Reporter

> Last updated at 10:37 AM on 27th November 2008

> An Islamic terror group warned it was planning a massacre in Mumbai

two

> months ago, it emerged today.

>

> Combine it with what I had written in the following piece.

> THE NUCLEAR DEAL 2

> <http://www.journalofastrology.com/article.php?article_id=171> KN

RAO

> 31 July 2008, 12:50 AM

> " And it is the antardasha of Ketu in the seventh house in the

> horoscope of India. I reminded the students that in 1981 I had

written

> in the Vishwa Vijay Panchanga (Hindi) that the Ketu dasha in the

Indian

> horoscope would be dreadful in many ways. We had Punjab terrorist in

> spreading which USA was said to have a big hand and if USSR had not

> passed on the information, the Golden Temple tragedy would have more

> disastrous than what it was. But it did lead to the assassination of

> Indira Gandhi and killing of Sikhs in Delhi and elsewhere in India.

Now

> the Ketu antardasha and two eclipses falling in August, both

visible and

> both affecting the axis of religious/communal harmony how could

India

> remain complacent with unchecked growth of home grown terrorists?

>

> The nuclear deal had to trigger it off. The terrorists had prepared

very

> well as the events show. But will the television channels show any

sense

> of moral and national responsibility? (30 July 2008)

>

> " It has been said in a report that this terrorist act has been

> financed by Saudi Arabia and training has been given in Pakistan

with

> the help of Al Quaeda.

>

> And, without taking sides ask yourself will you agree with

> L.K.Advani's attack that the Manmohan Singh's is the most

> incompetent government and was totally responsible for the

inordinate

> growth of terrorists who can now operate freely in India?

Terrorists can

> set up a operation room and dump enough ammunition for months

inside a

> big city of India without being detected and then wage a battle!!

>

> India is now a disgraced nation with no need to seek such a

certificate

> from anyone in or outside India from its critics. History will

record

> what a US paper now says gleefully:

>

> " Attack forces India onto front lines of global war on terror "

>

> ( 28 Nov 2008)

>

> , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> <jyotirved@> wrote:

> >

> > Shri Prashanth Nairji,

> > Namaskar!

> >

> > < Very hard rules are prescribed by our masters for the persons

who

> > practice Astrology or for those too who want to consult an

> > astrologer......

> >

> > In fact the Internet Astrology or what is written in Books or

> > Magazines are the graves of the actual cases dealt by the

> > Astrologers that too with half information provided which is in

fact

> > available to the Astrologer at the time of consultation. Or those

are

> > the cases of Famous persons who never consulted an astrologer but

the

> > Astrologer wanted to ride a chart for his own interests....>

> >

> > Judging from the criteria that Inder Jit Sahni (IMHO the actual

word

> > should be " Inderjit " but then maybe some numerologist as advised

Shri

> > Sahni to break his name into two!)has laid down for astrologers,

it

> > is clear that all the jyotish forums and astrology groups and

> > jyotisha magazines and TV jyotishis etc. etc. must call it a day

and

> > close their shops!

> >

> > I, however, wonder whether Shri Sahni himself is following his

> > own " guidelines " , since he has himself put all these guidelines

(sic!)

> > on " Jyoishgroup " , from which you have forwarded

that

> > post! But again, may be William Shakespeare was right when he had

> > said, " I would easier teach twenty people what to do than to

follow

> > my own advice " !

> >

> > <What exactly astrology is all about; To relate your surroundings

> > changes within the Nature which can be calculated Mathematically

with

> > the Life sciences.?

> > So it is basically a Time science.>

> >

> > Great cry and little wool! In spite of tirllions of " Vedic

> > astrolgers " following the " Time Science " being around, apart from

KP-

> > walas and Lal Kitab-walas and Jaimini-walas and Mundane-astrology

> > experts, etc. etc. not a single one had predicted anything about

> > Mumbai carnage by terrorists! For that matter, no disasters or

> > floods or famines etc. are/were ever predicted by any jyotishi, in

> > spite of their quibblings about " Brihat Samhita " , which they

claim to

> > be full of such gems!

> >

> > There was, however, a comic relief on all the TV channels for the

> > last two days---no " Astro-uncle " or " Teen deviyan " or " tez-tare "

> > or " aapka-bhavishya " or " aapke-tare " etc. etc. on any of the

channels

> > since all of them were vying with one another to report the

terrorsit

> > activities " exclusively " ! After all, these TV channels are more

> > worried about their TRPs, and TV jyotishis, like so many other

> > things, are only a means to that end!

> > Dhanyavad.

> > A K Kaul

> >

> > , " prashanthnair999 "

> > prashanthnair999@ wrote:

> > >

> > > , " Inder Jit Sahni "

> > > <inder_jit_sahni@> wrote:

> > >

> > > What exactly astrology is all about; To relate your surroundings

> > changes

> > > within the Nature which can be calculated Mathematically with

the

> > Life

> > > sciences.?

> > >

> > > So it is basically a Time science.

> > >

> > > Very hard rules are prescribed by our masters for the persons

who

> > > practice

> > > Astrology or for those too who want to consult an astrologer.

> > >

> > > To whom one shall teach is also mentioned.

> > >

> > > When one need to consult an astrologer , it is his Karmic

activity

> > which

> > > brought to him to an astrologer.

> > >

> > > Think , how many forces act at that time?

> > >

> > > And when he consult an astrologer , the Divine Grace , the

Karmas

> > > negative

> > > or positive and the Strong will of the Astrologer , indirectly

of

> > the

> > > Supreme Lord help trace the things to the astrologer and

consultant

> > and

> > > the

> > > person if destined is to be helped , will be helped or will be

> > facing

> > > a

> > > cheater who will wash few of the sins of the consultant and will

> > add to

> > > his

> > > own negative Karmas.

> > >

> > > So can you compare an internet reading with a real Astrological

> > > Experience.

> > > Not at All.

> > >

> > > In fact the Internet Astrology or what is written in Books or

> > Magazines

> > > are

> > > the graves of the actual cases dealt by the Astrologers that too

> > with

> > > half

> > > information provided which is in fact available to the

Astrologer

> > at the

> > > time of consultation. Or those are the cases of Famous persons

who

> > never

> > > consulted an astrologer but the Astrologer wanted to ride a

chart

> > for

> > > his

> > > own interests.

> > >

> > > These are posted by those who sell themselves for fame or

money .

> > >

> > > Then there are others who run from this group to another to find

> > the

> > > answer

> > > of different astrologers, these are beggars moving under the

Mask of

> > > need

> > > and are answered by such astrologers either out of proud or

> > innocence.

> > > These persons do not match the minimum requirements and norms

that

> > how

> > > to

> > > pose a question to an astrologer. Money is not always a

> > consideration ,

> > > but

> > > a person must take other pains to help himself that his

questions

> > is

> > > addressed properly.

> > >

> > > Never ask in a group; never answer in a group to the personal

> > issues of

> > > others; a learned astrologer shall never answer to the

consultants

> > in

> > > group. A student of Astrology may try this by private answering

to

> > the

> > > persons asking in the group . The persons whose sub lords are

Moon

> > or

> > > Mercury stars will never have faith on any astrologer and will

move

> > > from

> > > this group to another .

> > >

> > > Do not believe in one minute astrology, any astrologer to check

some

> > > combination may ask some questions but this is in real

astrology,

> > > nothing

> > > can change your destiny, forget that purchasing Shoes or buying

> > > something

> > > else will brought good luck or bad luck. Instead these are

tricks to

> > > find if

> > > the particular planet had acted or not.

> > >

> > > I had seen these in abundance but who failed miserably in

predicting

> > > future.

> > >

> > > An astrologer now NO more from Jodhpur will give you your Date

of

> > Birth

> > > and

> > > time but everything else he predicted go wrong , he did not give

> > this

> > > even to his son.

> > >

> > > When an Astrologer Predict to a Consultant , the acting forces I

> > had

> > > explained above.

> > >

> > > But what when a Student wish to know ? His 9th house operates,

9this

> > > Destiny

> > > and 9th is Dharma.

> > >

> > > Destny is expenditure of Karmas it is expenditure of 10th house

but

> > > Dharma

> > > is independent identity an identity which shows the holding

nature

> > of

> > > the

> > > individual, it is again through the Guru , which is again an

> > independent

> > > identity, the 10th for Dharma and Guru are your collection of

> > deeds,

> > > see

> > > how beautifully the 9th and 10th are Collection and expenditure

to

> > each

> > > other the 9th give strength through Satwoguna to the Rajoguni

> > Lagna .

> > >

> > > He will be addressed as per his own intentions , one's own

> > submission

> > > to

> > > the almighty will produce a teacher for him. According to his

9th

> > house.

> > >

> > > So here it is only a learning experience and it is not the same

as

> > was

> > > the

> > > case when the person actually consulted an Astrologer.

> > >

> > > If he cannot gain , it is his own fault not of others , all

> > teachers

> > > are

> > > evolution of the Almighty, he who understands it never

frustrate,

> > > because

> > > frustration is , that you don't believe in almighty the Supreme

> > Lord.

> > >

> > > Also being an Astrologer if one cannot differentiate with the

time

> > of

> > > consultation and time of learning then he is a great Idiot in

the

> > > science

> > > of Astrology and such person shall not be answered by a wise

man.

> > >

> > > I will narrate two cases for the students of Astrology out of

> > answered

> > > on

> > > 23.11.2008 .

> > >

> > > A woman of 65 years of Age consulting at 30.12.N 75.00.E

appeared

> > > before

> > > me with no birth chart at 11.26 AM .

> > >

> > > She said that she was recommended by name by a villager around

50

> > KMs

> > > from

> > > here who got a son on the Date as was predicted by me.

> > >

> > > I asked her a no. from 1 to 249 and she gave me 65 No.

> > >

> > > The Saturn Antardasha was running in Moon Mahadsha.

> > >

> > > As per No. chart Jupiter was exact in 7th Cusp, Rahu too had

> > shifted in

> > > Cusp

> > > chart in 7th . For Vedic Astrologers shift the Lagna to 26.33

> > degrees

> > > Gemini

> > >

> > > Now look as the qualification of the woman as an consultant,

she had

> > > taken

> > > pains to travel through Busses for 40 Kms and then around 10

Km's

> > > through

> > > Rikshas , and is eager to pay the consultation charges, in such

a

> > > situation

> > > , even if one do not pay and had come for rescue the Astrologer

must

> > > answer

> > > .

> > >

> > > She did not tell me anything except that she is much in grief.

> > >

> > > Looking at Saturn in Venus star I 1st confirmed that you bought

a

> > > Buffalo

> > > from August 2007 to October 2007.

> > >

> > > And this Buffalo was in trouble or can be loss after 21

September.

> > >

> > > Now see , Can I ask this question to my Consultant at Delhi or

> > Bombay?

> > >

> > > No not at all.

> > >

> > > She confirmed that she purchased one which was worth 70 thousand

> > and it

> > > died

> > > in October.

> > >

> > > Rahu in the 7h Cusp and 1st Saturn in Venus star and Venus in

6th

> > Cusp.

> > >

> > > How many things could be said now ? Look at my narration.

> > >

> > > The house is progressing well since Moon Mahadasha ; Jupiter

Venus

> > in

> > > 4rth

> > > from Moon other three malefic in 3rd from Moon. But she is not

> > happy

> > > mentally because of the respect and care she expects from her

> > husband

> > > and

> > > Sons.

> > >

> > > Husband had a rise in Sun Mahadasha , may be in politics , but

from

> > > Moon

> > > Dasha only moving in proud of previous success wasting his time

with

> > > others

> > > and not caring about her and even beat her and had done so in

Rahu

> > > antra.

> > >

> > > She confirmed that her husband was elected Village

> > Sarpanch/Headman and

> > > remained So for Sun Mahadsha upto 2003, and other things I told

too

> > are

> > > correct.

> > >

> > > Sun in 11th from 7th and Jupiter in own house close to 7th cusp

> > shows

> > > her

> > > husband selfish behave, Its being in Sun Star and Sun in 5th

Cusp

> > shows

> > > Political success.

> > >

> > > IIt also speaks so many other things which after hearing and

after

> > > knowing

> > > the solution she returned back blessing.

> > >

> > > 2nd Case I am giving for others to calculate.

> > >

> > > This was a couple at 11.55 AM on 23.11.2008 at the same place.

> > >

> > > The Huband gave me his horoscope Date 26.11.1960 time 19.58

Hours

> > IST

> > > at

> > > Jaito 30.28.N 74.53.E

> > >

> > > To confirm time I only matched the personality with Sub lord

Sun in

> > > Saturn

> > > Star occupant of 5th Cusp.

> > >

> > > That he is a man of Ego , but introvert lazy , doing something

> > technical

> > > but

> > > had a revenue income or a workshop, all linking to 8th house.

> > >

> > > He confirmed that he is a owner of City Cable network and thus

earn

> > > through

> > > its revenue .

> > >

> > > Everything else was told by me and confirmed by him.

> > >

> > > I am posting this case , what will you say to the consultant at

> > this

> > > time.

> > >

> > > With Best Wishes,

> > >

> > > Inder Jit Sahni

> > >

December 3, 2008

The Mubmai incident was predicted by Mr Kanak Basmia, An Ahmedabad based

astrologer way back in 17-09- 2008. He predicted, confirmed and gave a

probable date of 18-12-2008, which is pretty close prediction based on

Horary.

His work sheet is based on some well established dictum of KP theory and

can be found in Astrolab_9 .

Regards

Suprakash

On Behalf Of Avtar Krishen

Kaul

Wednesday, December 03, 2008 10:56 PM

Re: The spirit of Astrology-- " Mumbai

Attacked "