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vedic_research_institute , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved wrote:

 

Dear Group,

Namaskar!

Some people have an extremely bad habbit of twisting facts in such a manner

deliberately so that the other party gets exasperated and leaves in a

frustration! For example:

 

1. if " Vedic astrologers " cry from housetops that predictive gimmicks are Vedic,

why on earth can't they quote even a single mantra from any of the four Vedas or

the Vedanga Jyotisha that talks of Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis or Mangal, Shani

etc. planets?

 

2. If Manu has said that a king must consult soothsayers, why in the name of God

can't they quote the exact shloka!

 

3. If our ancestors indulged in predictive hotch-potch of Mesha, Vrisha etc.

Rashis, what were the astronomical works they used for calculating their

planetary posiions, since we do not have any such work prior to the Surya

Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha?

 

4. When all the Indian translators and commentators of Pancha Sidhantika and

Aryabhatiti etc. who had no axe to grind have proved in one voice that

Varahamihira was a contemporary of Aryabhata in around fifth/sixth century AD,

what is preventing these jyotishis of " Satyayuga " from quoting the exact

astronomical parameters which contradict the statements of all those

translators/commentators?

 

4. When Maya the mlechha claims that he learnt planetary astronomy vis-a-vis

Mesha etc. rashis direct from Sury Bhagwan millions of years back -- in the fag

end of Satya Yuga---and not from some Hindu Purvacharya, why cna't these " Vedic

astrologers " see through his tricks that he was taking the Hindus for a ride?

 

5. Why can't these " Vedic astrologers " show any astrological work of indigenous

origin prior to Sphujidwaja's Yavanajatakam? Vaahamihira's Brihat Jatakam is

almost a ditto copy of the same!

 

To make a long story short, " Vedic astrologers " are reading the Vedas

actually upside down and that is why they are finding Greek Aries, Taurus etc.

astrological signs therein instead of Krittika, Rohini, Mrigashira etc.

nakshatras---of unequal lengths at that!

 

But then that is what tamogunidbudhi is---to see adharma as dharma and

vice-versa and as has been proved hundreds of times, predictive gimmicks are

against the letter and spirit of the Vedic ethos--but praised highly by

Chaldean culture where Delphi was worshipped!

 

And Babylonia (Chaldea) is yesteryears' Iraq!

 

You can draw your own conclusions about the intentions of these imported

" Vamadevas " and local " Parasharas " ---to decimate the real Vedic culture by

making the Hindus celebrate all their festivals and muhurtas on wrong days---all

in the name of " Vedic astrology " , whether so called Sayana Vedic or so called

Nirayana Vedic!

With regards,

A K Kaul

vedic_research_institute , Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya@> wrote:

>

> Dear Robertsonji,

>

> Namaste,

>

> Avtarji is trying to shoot at me over your shoulders. He is calling me as

your mentor. You must appreciate this joke.

>

> Anyway at first he said that Rashi is not mentioned in Veda. Now he admits

that Vrishbha is indeed mentioned in Veda. Good that at last he learnt that what

he has been proclaiming so far was false that Rashi is not mentioned in VedaÂ

When you cook rice you dont have to press all the grains to see if all the rice

grains are cooked. You can know that by pressing a single grain. Now you know

from the above instance alone that Avtarji claims things without knowing the

facts.

>

> One more example. Earlier he thought that there was no mention of astrology

in the ancient Indian texts and that the Indians learnt astrology from the

Greeks. In an earlier mailI I mentioned that the ancient Dharma-sashtra Manu

Smriti says that king should consult astrologer. I hope he will gracefully

retract his earlier statements in this regard.

>

> I have already said about the Varahamihira's mentioning of the Shakanta-kala

and its implication in dating of Varahamihira, whom Avtarji calls as the

greatest Charlatan, without knowing the true date of Varahamihira. AvtarjiÂ

owes an open apology to Varahamihira, though posthumously.

>

> Everybody knows that the Zodiac is an imaginary belt, whether it is The

Sideraeal or the Tropical. That the word " Zodiac " is derived from the Greek word

" Zodiakos " meaning " a circle of animals " does not prove that the Indians did not

know about the twelve rashis. By being verbose and writing big mails Avtarji

cannot confuse the knowledgeable people. A knowledgeable person will discover

the hollowness in the verbisity from anybody.

>

> In his mail he mentions about the changing of the shape of the rashi due to

the motion of the fixed stars. What can be more preposterous that this statement

of his?

>

> I can go on and on about the misconceptions that Avtarji has but hopre the

above examples will suffice. Can you have any guess asto why Avtarji is out to

malign Hindu astronomy and astrology?

>

> Regards,

>

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

>

> --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@> wrote:

> Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@>

> [VRI] Re: Fwd: An Important Matter

> vedic_research_institute

> Monday, March 2, 2009, 10:53 PM

>

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WAVES-Vedic, " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

>

> <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:

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> Shri Robert E. Wilkinsonji,

>

> Namaskar!

>

> Your discussion with Shri Bhattaharjya regarding " An important

>

> matter " is very confusing though interesting!

>

>

>

>

 

--- End forwarded message ---

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