Guest guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 vedic_research_institute , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved wrote: Dear Group, Namaskar! Some people have an extremely bad habbit of twisting facts in such a manner deliberately so that the other party gets exasperated and leaves in a frustration! For example: 1. if " Vedic astrologers " cry from housetops that predictive gimmicks are Vedic, why on earth can't they quote even a single mantra from any of the four Vedas or the Vedanga Jyotisha that talks of Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis or Mangal, Shani etc. planets? 2. If Manu has said that a king must consult soothsayers, why in the name of God can't they quote the exact shloka! 3. If our ancestors indulged in predictive hotch-potch of Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis, what were the astronomical works they used for calculating their planetary posiions, since we do not have any such work prior to the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha? 4. When all the Indian translators and commentators of Pancha Sidhantika and Aryabhatiti etc. who had no axe to grind have proved in one voice that Varahamihira was a contemporary of Aryabhata in around fifth/sixth century AD, what is preventing these jyotishis of " Satyayuga " from quoting the exact astronomical parameters which contradict the statements of all those translators/commentators? 4. When Maya the mlechha claims that he learnt planetary astronomy vis-a-vis Mesha etc. rashis direct from Sury Bhagwan millions of years back -- in the fag end of Satya Yuga---and not from some Hindu Purvacharya, why cna't these " Vedic astrologers " see through his tricks that he was taking the Hindus for a ride? 5. Why can't these " Vedic astrologers " show any astrological work of indigenous origin prior to Sphujidwaja's Yavanajatakam? Vaahamihira's Brihat Jatakam is almost a ditto copy of the same! To make a long story short, " Vedic astrologers " are reading the Vedas actually upside down and that is why they are finding Greek Aries, Taurus etc. astrological signs therein instead of Krittika, Rohini, Mrigashira etc. nakshatras---of unequal lengths at that! But then that is what tamogunidbudhi is---to see adharma as dharma and vice-versa and as has been proved hundreds of times, predictive gimmicks are against the letter and spirit of the Vedic ethos--but praised highly by Chaldean culture where Delphi was worshipped! And Babylonia (Chaldea) is yesteryears' Iraq! You can draw your own conclusions about the intentions of these imported " Vamadevas " and local " Parasharas " ---to decimate the real Vedic culture by making the Hindus celebrate all their festivals and muhurtas on wrong days---all in the name of " Vedic astrology " , whether so called Sayana Vedic or so called Nirayana Vedic! With regards, A K Kaul vedic_research_institute , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@> wrote: > > Dear Robertsonji, > > Namaste, > > Avtarji is trying to shoot at me over your shoulders. He is calling me as your mentor. You must appreciate this joke. > > Anyway at first he said that Rashi is not mentioned in Veda. Now he admits that Vrishbha is indeed mentioned in Veda. Good that at last he learnt that what he has been proclaiming so far was false that Rashi is not mentioned in Veda When you cook rice you dont have to press all the grains to see if all the rice grains are cooked. You can know that by pressing a single grain. Now you know from the above instance alone that Avtarji claims things without knowing the facts. > > One more example. Earlier he thought that there was no mention of astrology in the ancient Indian texts and that the Indians learnt astrology from the Greeks. In an earlier mailI I mentioned that the ancient Dharma-sashtra Manu Smriti says that king should consult astrologer. I hope he will gracefully retract his earlier statements in this regard. > > I have already said about the Varahamihira's mentioning of the Shakanta-kala and its implication in dating of Varahamihira, whom Avtarji calls as the greatest Charlatan, without knowing the true date of Varahamihira. Avtarji owes an open apology to Varahamihira, though posthumously. > > Everybody knows that the Zodiac is an imaginary belt, whether it is The Sideraeal or the Tropical. That the word " Zodiac " is derived from the Greek word " Zodiakos " meaning " a circle of animals " does not prove that the Indians did not know about the twelve rashis. By being verbose and writing big mails Avtarji cannot confuse the knowledgeable people. A knowledgeable person will discover the hollowness in the verbisity from anybody. > > In his mail he mentions about the changing of the shape of the rashi due to the motion of the fixed stars. What can be more preposterous that this statement of his? > > I can go on and on about the misconceptions that Avtarji has but hopre the above examples will suffice. Can you have any guess asto why Avtarji is out to malign Hindu astronomy and astrology? > > Regards, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@> wrote: > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@> > [VRI] Re: Fwd: An Important Matter > vedic_research_institute > Monday, March 2, 2009, 10:53 PM > > > > > > WAVES-Vedic, " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > <jyotirved@ ..> wrote: > > > > Shri Robert E. Wilkinsonji, > > Namaskar! > > Your discussion with Shri Bhattaharjya regarding " An important > > matter " is very confusing though interesting! > > > > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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