[Ind-Arch] Fwd: Achievements of our Vedic-Hindu sage scientists

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IndiaArchaeology , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved

wrote:

 

Dear Group,

Namaskar!

" Vedic astrologers " claim that they can " pre-see (hind-sight!?) " the previous

janmas and " foresee " the future janmas as well, but they are actually blind as a

bat regading scriptual matters!

 

The following comment from a member is very interesting in this context, " So why

should Avtarji and others insist that Makar Sankranti should be observed on the

Uttarayana day. Let these festivals such as the Makar Sankranti and the Tula

Sankranti be observed as usual when the Sun enters the Nirayana Makar rashi and

Nirayana Tula rashi. This should not be taken an excuse to derail the making of

the authentic Hindu Calendar " .

 

I wish the member concerned had shunned his tamoguni budhi, and purused at least

the following excerpts from my post ( " Problem of 30 days " ) No.8373 of Feb

25,09--hardly of a few days back! And I quote just a few relevant paras:

 

" 4. It is thus futile to talk about the Vedic rashis being so called sayana or

so called nirayana since you cannot discuss the qualities and qualifications of

a non-existent entity! Such gimmicks are used only in predictive astrology like

kala-sarpa yoga/dosha by " invisible " lunar nodes, which are just mathematical

points--- or imaginary Dreshkana and saptamasha and what not divisions of

imaginary twelve equal divisions of Mesha etc. rashis and " correct phalita "

through imaginary vimshotari and ashtotari and yogini and kalachakra and

hundreds of such dashas etc. etc.! Such gimmicks, however, cannot work in

astronomy, which demands proofs for any claims made!

 

 

" The nirayana versus sayana mess that has derailed the Hindu calendar is

actually a creation of Hindu jyotishis (who call themselves Vedic astrologers

(sic!) these days! It is actually the difference of the calculated longitudes

of the Surya Sidhanta vis-à-vis the actual phenomena of Winter Solstice etc.

that is known as Ayanamsha! For example, the Surya Sidhanta says categorically,

" Bhanor Makara Sankranteh shanmanasa Uttarayana, Karkyades tathaiva syat

shanmasa dakshinayanam " i.e. " The six months of Uttarayana start with the

ingress of the sun into Makara Rashi and the six months of Dakshinayana start

with its ingress into Karkata rashi " but when it comes to its calculation, there

is a difference of about 24 days/degrees between the actual Uttarayana-cum-Makar

Sankranti and the Surya Sidhanta calculated Makar Sankranti as on date! "

.....

...

 

" 7. Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis, therefore, are a direct import from Babylonia via

the Greeks and all the sidhantas, right from the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the

mlechha to the last sidhanta of Bhaskara-II viz. the Sidhanta Shiromani have

invariably talked about Makara Sankranti being another name of Uttarayana and

Karkata Sankranti being another name of Dakshinayana and so on. As I have gone

through almost all the sidhantas, I can assure you that none of the

sidhanta-kars had any idea about the phenomenon of precession!

" However, all the Puranas like Bhagavata, Shiva, Linga, Devi etc. etc. also

talk of the same phenomena as the sidhantas i.e. " Makar Sankranti is another

name of Uttarayana and Karkata Sankranti another name of Dakshinayana " and so

on. (Pl. see 1999b.doc). As such, the Pauranic rahis are an after thought and a

development of post-Surya-Sidhanta era! ...... "

*** **** ***** ***** ****

And the most important point that appears to be the nightmare of the " Vedic

astrologers " is (from the same post):

 

" Thus if we really want to streamline our calendars in accordance with the Vedas

and Puranas, the earlier we come out of the stupor of Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashsis

the better! If at all it is a necessary evil to have rashis included in the

calendar, the only alternative is that we have to include the so called sayana

Rashis, since they are the ones found in the Puranas and sidhantas (and not in

the Vedas or the VJ etc.) but we have to simultaneously de-link Ashvini, Bharni

etc. nakshatras from the same.

 

That is the only and only way to streamline the Hindu calendar as per the Vedas

and the Vedanga Jyotisha and even Puranas. "

** **** *** ***

Then again, on perusal of post No.8374 and the " list of correct dates of

festivals in 2009-10 " in the files section, things will be all the more clear

that Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis, being actually non-existent divisions, are

imaginary and are being clubbed with Uttarayana etc. only as a substitute of the

baseless and useless nirayana mess! It is only to " choose the lesser of two

evils " ---since if some states take Meshadi as the start of the new solar year,

they have to be informed that it must be a so called sayana Meshadi since

Vishuva (Vernal Equinox) and not Meshadi is the real start of new solar year,

and so on.

Hope these " Vedic astrologers " will not make a laughing stock of themselves any

more by creating nirayana versus sayana controversies and so on.

I also pray to God that He save the Hindus from the clutches of " Vedic

astrologers " ---whetehr sayana Vedic or nirayana Vedic so that we can streamline

our calendars in accordance with the scriputres and not as per the whims of

Lahiri-walas and Ramana-walas and Chandra-Hariwalas and so on.

With regards,

A K Kaul

 

 

 

IndiaArchaeology , Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya@> wrote:

>

> Thank you Iyengarji,

>

> So you agree that Makar Sankranti could not have been linked to Uttarayana in

the ancient past as Makara Sankramana itself was not mentioned in the literature

of the ancient past. So why should Avtarji and others insist that Makar

Sankranti should be observed on the Uttarayana day. Let these festivals such as

the Makar Sankranti and the Tula Sankranti be observed as usual when the Sun

enters the Nirayana Makar rashi and Nirayana Tula rashi. This should not be

taken an excuse to derail the making of the authentic Hindu Calendar.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

>

>

> --- On Wed, 3/4/09, aareni <aareni@> wrote:

>

> aareni <aareni@>

> [ind-Arch] Fwd: Re: Achievements of our Vedic-Hindu sage scientists

> IndiaArchaeology

> Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 4:55 PM

This is a leading question of Lawyers who are supposed to ask " when did you

stop beating your wife? " . Firstly where in the whole of canonical Vedic

literature (Samhita, Brahmana, Aranyaka, Vedanga) Makara Sakramana is

mentioned??! !!

>

> RNI

>

> IndiaArchaeology, " sunil_bhattacharjy a "

<sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> >

> > Dear Avtarji,

> >

> > May I request both you and Dr. Iyengar to please let us know, by

> > giving the actual reference only, as to where is it said in the Vedic

> > literature that the Uttarayana must always coincide with the Makar

> > Sankramana just because there was such a coincidence at one time.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> >

> > IndiaArchaeology, " jyotirved " <jyotirved@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dr. R. N. Iyengarji,

> > >

> > > Namaskar!

> > >

> >