Fwd: [hc] Fw: [WAVES-Vedic] UNSUBSCRIBE

March 27, 2009

hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved

wrote:

Dear Moderator,

Namaskar!

<Shri Kaul goes on repeating the same long stuff like a parrot without any new

ideas being thrown in.>

I am in full agreement with you myself that there are no new ideas since the

real Vedic calendar has nothing new to offer!

<Since most of us here in this group to my understanding

is not that keen to debate on astrology/new calendar etc >

The real Vedic calendar is extremely simple, and can be summarized in a few

lines:

1. The Vedic solar year started from Uttarayana, now it starts (actually should

start) from Vernal Equinox (Vasanta Sampat).

2. Vedic Lunar New year started from the first lunar month of Shishira Ritu,

i.e. Magha with the first New Moon after Uttarayana. Now a days it starts

(actually should start!) with the first New Moon after the start of Vasanta

Ritu, that was on February 26, 2009.

3. The names of Vedic months are Madhu/Chaitra, Madhava/Vaishakha,

Shukra/Jyeshtha, Shuchih/Ashadha, Nabhas/Shravana, Nabhasya/Bhadra,

Isha/Ashvayuja, Urja/Kartika, Sahas/Agrahayana (Margasheersha), Sahasya/Pausha,

Tapah/Magha, Tapasya/Phalguna.

These names get interchanged with solar as well as lunar months in our shastras.

4. Lunar Adhika-masa must be decided vis-a-vis solar Madhu, Madhava etc.

5. In ancient times Nakshatra division started from Krittika as the Vernal

Equinox was in that nakshatra division then. Thus these days it must start from

Purva-Bhadra because the VE is in almost exact conjunction with Beta Pegassi

star these days.

8. Nakshatras have an independent existence i.e. they are not clubbed with any

month. Thus when the moon is hovering around Ashvini Star, in any month, it is

Ashvini nakshatra on that day and so on.

This was the system followed till about first centuries of CE, i.e. till the

advent of the Surya Sidhanta by Maya the mlechha, when Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis

came into vogue.

9. Those rashis were lapped by jyotishis for predictive purposes and they

started having their finger in the calendar making pie as well.

That was the start of the downfall of the Vedic calendar. However, stalwarts

and scholars like Acharya Sayana continued to ignore Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis

for calendric months till about fifteenth century AD.

This will be evident from npj3.doc in the files section. Kindly do take some

time out and go through it to see for yourself the mayhem that the Vedic

calendar is being subjected to.

The problem, therefore, is that since " Vedic astrologers " cannot do without

Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis and that also the so called nirayana ones for

predictive purposes, they, however, do not want the calendar reform to let go

out of their hands, since nobody will believe their hotch-potch then if the

" Makar Sankrantis " of " Vedic astrologers " are not recognized for religious

festivals and so on.

What is most ironical is that the zodiac which is supposed to comprise these

Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis of 12 equal (twelve) division, is non-existent in the

Vedas, the Vedanga Jyotisha and even astronomically! Scientifically, Zodiac

itself is an imaginary belt, which means that the twelve equal divisions named

Mesha, Vrisha etc. of that imaginary belt are all the more imaginary!

And it is those very imaginary Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis that are being thrust

on the Vedic months Madhu, Madhava etc. In fact, the real dimensions of time in

the shape of Madhu, Madhava etc. real seasonal months and the four cardinal

points are being replaced by these plethora of Rashis. On top of it, there is a

cacaphony going on about the Sayana versus nirayana! If the rashis themselves

are non-existent, it is all the more pathetic to call them sidereal or tropical

or sayana or nirayana etc. etc.

As such, all I am requesting these " Vedic astrologers " is that let them continue

to make " absolutely correct predictions from Varaha Hora or Shambu Hora or any

other Hora on the basis of any sayana or nirayana rashis and so on, but for

God's sake, leave the calendar alone, and do not thrust your non-existent Mesha

etc. rashis on the same " .

That is the only request to all the Hindus, 90 per cent of whom are " Vedic

astrologers " .

We have been leaving this issue " to experts " till date and that is why we are

celeberating Navratras from today i.e. March 27 instead of Feburayr 26. IMHO We

should not repeat the same mistake now but decide the issue ourselves.

With regards,

A K Kaul

hinducivilization , " Ravi " <ravi7640@> wrote:

>

> I certainly agree with you Shankarji. Shri Kaul goes on repeating the same

> long stuff like a parrot without any new ideas being thrown in. Although it

> is not going to make any difference,I hardly read them but mostly delete

> these upon its arrival in my PC. However we did not see anyone trying to

> rebut him in a convincing way. Hence it was a stalemate. Sunil was unable to

> rebut his arguments in a succinct and coherent way and hence took to

> personal insults which you will agree is not the right thing to do.All

> members have freedom of expressions here especially since this is an

> un-moderated list. Since most of us here in this group to my understanding

> is not that keen to debate on astrology/new calendar etc it is better left

> to experts to have a detailed arguments amongst themselves. Hence my

> suggestion to Sunil to take this issue else where. This applies to Kaul too.

> He is not welcome to go on with his repeated posts like a stuck gramophone

> plate (which of course only the older generation understands !).

> Moderator

> -

> " shankarabharadwaj " <shankarabharadwaj@>

> <hinducivilization >

> Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:31 AM

> [hc] Re: Fw: [WAVES-Vedic] UNSUBSCRIBE

>

> >I think it will be fair only when both Sri AKK and his opponents are asked

> >to do that. The former is no fair, only his language and presentation are

> >better. While people mostly respond to him, he is the one who usually (even

> >deliberately) provokes any such " fight " with his never ending sequence of

> >postings on the same things over and over again (with no improvement or

> >correction).

> >

> > There are about 600 postings by him on this subject, and the what all he

> > said (let us forget for now its right/wrong/validity) without repetition

> > can be reduced to much less than 50 posts. And it has become clear to

> > almost everyone who tried to discuss with him, that it is not possible to

> > get to any logical conclusions.

> >

> > His bhramara keetaka tactic will only make more members lose their temper.

> > Decency cannot be about language alone.

> >

> > hinducivilization , " Ravi " <ravi7640@> wrote:

> >>

> >> I would suggest you take up your fight with Shri Kaul else where since we

> >> are quite bored with your in coherent outpourings.

> >> Moderator

> >

> > ---

> >

> > Dharmo rakshati rakshitah

March 28, 2009

Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved wrote:

Shri Prashant Pandeyji,

Namaskar!

<I have one request to quote some slokas(not single one) for the above of your

point as it could give more clarity to your stand...>

" krittika nakshatram agnir devata...rohini nakshatram prajapatir devata,

mrigasheershe nakshatre somo devata, ardra nakshatram rudro devata, punarvasu

nakshatram aditir devata, tishyo nakshatram brihaspatir devata, shresha

nakshatram sarpa devata, magha nakshatra pitro devata, phalguni nakshatram

aryama deata, phalguni nakshatram bhago devata, hasto nakshatra savita devata,

chitra nakshatram indro devata, svati nakshatram vayur devata, vishakhe

nakshatram indragni devata, anuradha nakshatram mitro devata, rohini nakshatram

indro devata, vichritav nakshatram pitro devata, ashada nakshatram aapo devata,

ashadha nakshatram vishvedeva devata, shrona nakshatram vishnurdevata,

shravishtham vasavo devata, shatabhishan nakshatramindro devata, proshthapada

naksahtram aja eka-pad devata, revati nakshatram pusha devata ashvayujav

nakshatram ashivnav devata, bharni nakshatram yamo devata... " Taitiriya Samhita

4/4/10

Then again, in the Vedanga jyotisha--manras 25 to 27--all the 27 naksahtras,

starting from Krittika, have been enumerated/listed by the names of presiding

deities (and not nakshatras!). These are:

" agnih prajapatih somo rudrro aditir brihaspatih

sarpaschai pitarashchaiva, bhagashchaiv aryamapi cha

savita tvashtashcha vayuschendragnee mitra eva chai

indro nirritiraapav vai vishvedevas tathaiva chai

vishnurvaruno vasavo ajaekpat tathaiva chai

ahirbudnyastatha pusha ashvinav yama eva chai "

As per the Vedanga Jyotisha, 5th mantra, the year started from Winter Solstice,

but the nakshatras started from Krittika. We find a similar trend in the Vedas

also. They are quite unrelated to the names of months etc.

Hope this will serve your purpose.

Thanks for the comment. Honestly, I welcome every contrary view, because I

evaluate every point of such a mail and do a lot of re-thinking about my own

findings. If those contrary views are logical and scriptural, I duly

acknowledge my indebtedness to them and modify my earlier views.

With regards,

A K Kaul

Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest , " Prashant Pandey "

<praspandey@> wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Kaulji,

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> 8. Nakshatras have an independent existence i.e. they are not clubbed with any

month. Thus when the moon is hovering around Ashvini Star, in any month, it is

Ashvini nakshatra on that day and so on.This was the system followed till about

first centuries of CE, i.e. till the advent of the Surya Sidhanta by Maya the

mlechha, when Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis came into vogue.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

>

> I have one request to quote some slokas(not single one) for the above of your

point as it could give more clarity to your stand...

>

> I am very much mesmerized by your hard work and research.

>

> Regs,

> Prashant Pandey

>

> Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest , " Prashant Pandey "

<praspandey@> wrote:

> >

> > Excellent mail with Vedic Facts!!

> >

> > This tells that what nakshatra we should use to erect Vedic Calendar instead

which we are considering now-a-days(Jyotishis freternities nks concept).

> >

> > Good mail to streamline Vedic Calendar.

> >

> > We can make many types of permutation and combination just to make calendar

on the basis of Moon's, Sun's or both's movements.Any logician can advise

various types of calendar just to track down the events.

> >

> > Thing is what the calendar we were using and on which our religion is

standing,, we should follow that.In the same way our Muslim Bretherns use Lunar

Calendar so they enjoy their festivals according to that,,if they dont use their

Vedic Calendar then they should not be counted as Muslims.

> >

> > Astrology has nothing to do with streamlining Vedic Calendar.Dharma comes

before the astrology,,BTW astrology is science,, it has nothing to do with Hindu

Dharma.

> >

> > Good mail indeed !!

> >

> > Regs,

> > Prashant Pandey

> >

> > Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest , " Avtar Krishen

Kaul " <jyotirved@> wrote:

> > >

> > > hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Moderator,

> > > Namaskar!

> > > <Shri Kaul goes on repeating the same long stuff like a parrot without any

new ideas being thrown in.>

> > > I am in full agreement with you myself that there are no new ideas since

the real Vedic calendar has nothing new to offer!

> > >

> > > <Since most of us here in this group to my understanding

> > > is not that keen to debate on astrology/new calendar etc >

> > >

> > > The real Vedic calendar is extremely simple, and can be summarized in a

few lines:

> > > 1. The Vedic solar year started from Uttarayana, now it starts (actually

should start) from Vernal Equinox (Vasanta Sampat).

> > > 2. Vedic Lunar New year started from the first lunar month of Shishira

Ritu, i.e. Magha with the first New Moon after Uttarayana. Now a days it starts

(actually should start!) with the first New Moon after the start of Vasanta

Ritu, that was on February 26, 2009.

> > > 3. The names of Vedic months are Madhu/Chaitra, Madhava/Vaishakha,

Shukra/Jyeshtha, Shuchih/Ashadha, Nabhas/Shravana, Nabhasya/Bhadra,

Isha/Ashvayuja, Urja/Kartika, Sahas/Agrahayana (Margasheersha), Sahasya/Pausha,

Tapah/Magha, Tapasya/Phalguna.

> > > These names get interchanged with solar as well as lunar months in our

shastras.

> > > 4. Lunar Adhika-masa must be decided vis-a-vis solar Madhu, Madhava etc.

> > > 5. In ancient times Nakshatra division started from Krittika as the Vernal

Equinox was in that nakshatra division then. Thus these days it must start from

Purva-Bhadra because the VE is in almost exact conjunction with Beta Pegassi

star these days.

> > > 8. Nakshatras have an independent existence i.e. they are not clubbed with

any month. Thus when the moon is hovering around Ashvini Star, in any month, it

is Ashvini nakshatra on that day and so on.

> > > This was the system followed till about first centuries of CE, i.e. till

the advent of the Surya Sidhanta by Maya the mlechha, when Mesha, Vrisha etc.

rashis came into vogue.

> > > 9. Those rashis were lapped by jyotishis for predictive purposes and they

started having their finger in the calendar making pie as well.

> > > That was the start of the downfall of the Vedic calendar. However,

stalwarts and scholars like Acharya Sayana continued to ignore Mesha, Vrisha

etc. rashis for calendric months till about fifteenth century AD.

> > > This will be evident from npj3.doc in the files section. Kindly do take

some time out and go through it to see for yourself the mayhem that the Vedic

calendar is being subjected to.

> > > The problem, therefore, is that since " Vedic astrologers " cannot do

without Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis and that also the so called nirayana ones for

predictive purposes, they, however, do not want the calendar reform to let go

out of their hands, since nobody will believe their hotch-potch then if the

" Makar Sankrantis " of " Vedic astrologers " are not recognized for religious

festivals and so on.

> > >

> > > What is most ironical is that the zodiac which is supposed to comprise

these Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis of 12 equal (twelve) division, is non-existent

in the Vedas, the Vedanga Jyotisha and even astronomically! Scientifically,

Zodiac itself is an imaginary belt, which means that the twelve equal divisions

named Mesha, Vrisha etc. of that imaginary belt are all the more imaginary!

> > > And it is those very imaginary Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis that are being

thrust on the Vedic months Madhu, Madhava etc. In fact, the real dimensions of

time in the shape of Madhu, Madhava etc. real seasonal months and the four

cardinal points are being replaced by these plethora of Rashis. On top of it,

there is a cacaphony going on about the Sayana versus nirayana! If the rashis

themselves are non-existent, it is all the more pathetic to call them sidereal

or tropical or sayana or nirayana etc. etc.

> > > As such, all I am requesting these " Vedic astrologers " is that let them

continue to make " absolutely correct predictions from Varaha Hora or Shambu Hora

or any other Hora on the basis of any sayana or nirayana rashis and so on, but

for God's sake, leave the calendar alone, and do not thrust your non-existent

Mesha etc. rashis on the same " .

> > > That is the only request to all the Hindus, 90 per cent of whom are " Vedic

astrologers " .

> > > <it is better left to experts to have a detailed arguments amongst

themselves>

> > > We have been leaving this issue " to experts " till date and that is why we

are celeberating Navratras from today i.e. March 27 instead of Feburayr 26.

IMHO We should not repeat the same mistake now but decide the issue ourselves.

> > > With regards,

> > > A K Kaul

> > >

> > > hinducivilization , " Ravi " <ravi7640@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I certainly agree with you Shankarji. Shri Kaul goes on repeating the

same

> > > > long stuff like a parrot without any new ideas being thrown in. Although

it

> > > > is not going to make any difference,I hardly read them but mostly delete

> > > > these upon its arrival in my PC. However we did not see anyone trying to

> > > > rebut him in a convincing way. Hence it was a stalemate. Sunil was

unable to

> > > > rebut his arguments in a succinct and coherent way and hence took to

> > > > personal insults which you will agree is not the right thing to do.All

> > > > members have freedom of expressions here especially since this is an

> > > > un-moderated list. Since most of us here in this group to my

understanding

> > > > is not that keen to debate on astrology/new calendar etc it is better

left

> > > > to experts to have a detailed arguments amongst themselves. Hence my

> > > > suggestion to Sunil to take this issue else where. This applies to Kaul

too.

> > > > He is not welcome to go on with his repeated posts like a stuck

gramophone

> > > > plate (which of course only the older generation understands !).

> > > > Moderator

> > > > -

> > > > " shankarabharadwaj " <shankarabharadwaj@>

> > > > <hinducivilization >

> > > > Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:31 AM

> > > > [hc] Re: Fw: [WAVES-Vedic] UNSUBSCRIBE

> > > >

> > > > >I think it will be fair only when both Sri AKK and his opponents are

asked

> > > > >to do that. The former is no fair, only his language and presentation

are

> > > > >better. While people mostly respond to him, he is the one who usually

(even

> > > > >deliberately) provokes any such " fight " with his never ending sequence

of

> > > > >postings on the same things over and over again (with no improvement or

> > > > >correction).

> > > > >

> > > > > There are about 600 postings by him on this subject, and the what all

he

> > > > > said (let us forget for now its right/wrong/validity) without

repetition

> > > > > can be reduced to much less than 50 posts. And it has become clear to

> > > > > almost everyone who tried to discuss with him, that it is not possible

to

> > > > > get to any logical conclusions.

> > > > >

> > > > > His bhramara keetaka tactic will only make more members lose their

temper.

> > > > > Decency cannot be about language alone.

> > > > >

> > > > > hinducivilization , " Ravi " <ravi7640@> wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> I would suggest you take up your fight with Shri Kaul else where

since we

> > > > >> are quite bored with your in coherent outpourings.

> > > > >> Moderator

> > > > >

> > > > > ---

> > > > >

> > > > > Dharmo rakshati rakshitah

March 28, 2009

Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest , " Prashant Pandey "

<praspandey wrote:

Excellent mail with Vedic Facts!!

This tells that what nakshatra we should use to erect Vedic Calendar instead

which we are considering now-a-days(Jyotishis freternities nks concept).

Good mail to streamline Vedic Calendar.

We can make many types of permutation and combination just to make calendar on

the basis of Moon's, Sun's or both's movements.Any logician can advise various

types of calendar just to track down the events.

Thing is what the calendar we were using and on which our religion is standing,,

we should follow that.In the same way our Muslim Bretherns use Lunar Calendar so

they enjoy their festivals according to that,,if they dont use their Vedic

Calendar then they should not be counted as Muslims.

Astrology has nothing to do with streamlining Vedic Calendar.Dharma comes before

the astrology,,BTW astrology is science,, it has nothing to do with Hindu

Dharma.

Good mail indeed !!

Regs,

Prashant Pandey

Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved@> wrote:

>

> hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved@>

wrote:

>

> Dear Moderator,

> Namaskar!

> <Shri Kaul goes on repeating the same long stuff like a parrot without any new

ideas being thrown in.>

> I am in full agreement with you myself that there are no new ideas since the

real Vedic calendar has nothing new to offer!

>

> <Since most of us here in this group to my understanding

> is not that keen to debate on astrology/new calendar etc >

>

> The real Vedic calendar is extremely simple, and can be summarized in a few

lines:

> 1. The Vedic solar year started from Uttarayana, now it starts (actually

should start) from Vernal Equinox (Vasanta Sampat).

> 2. Vedic Lunar New year started from the first lunar month of Shishira Ritu,

i.e. Magha with the first New Moon after Uttarayana. Now a days it starts

(actually should start!) with the first New Moon after the start of Vasanta

Ritu, that was on February 26, 2009.

> 3. The names of Vedic months are Madhu/Chaitra, Madhava/Vaishakha,

Shukra/Jyeshtha, Shuchih/Ashadha, Nabhas/Shravana, Nabhasya/Bhadra,

Isha/Ashvayuja, Urja/Kartika, Sahas/Agrahayana (Margasheersha), Sahasya/Pausha,

Tapah/Magha, Tapasya/Phalguna.

> These names get interchanged with solar as well as lunar months in our

shastras.

> 4. Lunar Adhika-masa must be decided vis-a-vis solar Madhu, Madhava etc.

> 5. In ancient times Nakshatra division started from Krittika as the Vernal

Equinox was in that nakshatra division then. Thus these days it must start from

Purva-Bhadra because the VE is in almost exact conjunction with Beta Pegassi

star these days.

> 8. Nakshatras have an independent existence i.e. they are not clubbed with any

month. Thus when the moon is hovering around Ashvini Star, in any month, it is

Ashvini nakshatra on that day and so on.

> This was the system followed till about first centuries of CE, i.e. till the

advent of the Surya Sidhanta by Maya the mlechha, when Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis

came into vogue.

> 9. Those rashis were lapped by jyotishis for predictive purposes and they

started having their finger in the calendar making pie as well.

> That was the start of the downfall of the Vedic calendar. However, stalwarts

and scholars like Acharya Sayana continued to ignore Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis

for calendric months till about fifteenth century AD.

> This will be evident from npj3.doc in the files section. Kindly do take some

time out and go through it to see for yourself the mayhem that the Vedic

calendar is being subjected to.

> The problem, therefore, is that since " Vedic astrologers " cannot do without

Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis and that also the so called nirayana ones for

predictive purposes, they, however, do not want the calendar reform to let go

out of their hands, since nobody will believe their hotch-potch then if the

" Makar Sankrantis " of " Vedic astrologers " are not recognized for religious

festivals and so on.

>

> What is most ironical is that the zodiac which is supposed to comprise these

Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis of 12 equal (twelve) division, is non-existent in the

Vedas, the Vedanga Jyotisha and even astronomically! Scientifically, Zodiac

itself is an imaginary belt, which means that the twelve equal divisions named

Mesha, Vrisha etc. of that imaginary belt are all the more imaginary!

> And it is those very imaginary Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis that are being thrust

on the Vedic months Madhu, Madhava etc. In fact, the real dimensions of time in

the shape of Madhu, Madhava etc. real seasonal months and the four cardinal

points are being replaced by these plethora of Rashis. On top of it, there is a

cacaphony going on about the Sayana versus nirayana! If the rashis themselves

are non-existent, it is all the more pathetic to call them sidereal or tropical

or sayana or nirayana etc. etc.

> As such, all I am requesting these " Vedic astrologers " is that let them

continue to make " absolutely correct predictions from Varaha Hora or Shambu Hora

or any other Hora on the basis of any sayana or nirayana rashis and so on, but

for God's sake, leave the calendar alone, and do not thrust your non-existent

Mesha etc. rashis on the same " .

> That is the only request to all the Hindus, 90 per cent of whom are " Vedic

astrologers " .

> <it is better left to experts to have a detailed arguments amongst themselves>

> We have been leaving this issue " to experts " till date and that is why we are

celeberating Navratras from today i.e. March 27 instead of Feburayr 26. IMHO We

should not repeat the same mistake now but decide the issue ourselves.

> With regards,

> A K Kaul

>

> hinducivilization , " Ravi " <ravi7640@> wrote:

> >

> > I certainly agree with you Shankarji. Shri Kaul goes on repeating the same

> > long stuff like a parrot without any new ideas being thrown in. Although it

> > is not going to make any difference,I hardly read them but mostly delete

> > these upon its arrival in my PC. However we did not see anyone trying to

> > rebut him in a convincing way. Hence it was a stalemate. Sunil was unable to

> > rebut his arguments in a succinct and coherent way and hence took to

> > personal insults which you will agree is not the right thing to do.All

> > members have freedom of expressions here especially since this is an

> > un-moderated list. Since most of us here in this group to my understanding

> > is not that keen to debate on astrology/new calendar etc it is better left

> > to experts to have a detailed arguments amongst themselves. Hence my

> > suggestion to Sunil to take this issue else where. This applies to Kaul too.

> > He is not welcome to go on with his repeated posts like a stuck gramophone

> > plate (which of course only the older generation understands !).

> > Moderator

> > -

> > " shankarabharadwaj " <shankarabharadwaj@>

> > <hinducivilization >

> > Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:31 AM

> > [hc] Re: Fw: [WAVES-Vedic] UNSUBSCRIBE

> >

> > >I think it will be fair only when both Sri AKK and his opponents are asked

> > >to do that. The former is no fair, only his language and presentation are

> > >better. While people mostly respond to him, he is the one who usually (even

> > >deliberately) provokes any such " fight " with his never ending sequence of

> > >postings on the same things over and over again (with no improvement or

> > >correction).

> > >

> > > There are about 600 postings by him on this subject, and the what all he

> > > said (let us forget for now its right/wrong/validity) without repetition

> > > can be reduced to much less than 50 posts. And it has become clear to

> > > almost everyone who tried to discuss with him, that it is not possible to

> > > get to any logical conclusions.

> > >

> > > His bhramara keetaka tactic will only make more members lose their temper.

> > > Decency cannot be about language alone.

> > >

> > > hinducivilization , " Ravi " <ravi7640@> wrote:

> > >>

> > >> I would suggest you take up your fight with Shri Kaul else where since we

> > >> are quite bored with your in coherent outpourings.

> > >> Moderator

> > >

> > > ---

> > >

> > > Dharmo rakshati rakshitah

March 28, 2009

--- On Sat, 28/3/09, Prashant Pandey <praspandey wrote:

Prashant Pandey <praspandey

[ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: [hc] Re: Fw: [WAVES-Vedic] UNSUBSCRIBE

Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest

Saturday, 28 March, 2009, 11:08 PM

Thank you very much!!!

Now,,Everybody has read that whatever you are talking is not air talk without

having any truth...

Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, " Avtar Krishen

Kaul " <jyotirved@. ..> wrote:

>

> Shri Prashant Pandeyji,

> Namaskar!

> <I have one request to quote some slokas(not single one) for the above of your

point as it could give more clarity to your stand...>

>

> " krittika nakshatram agnir devata...rohini nakshatram prajapatir devata,