The real Vedic calendar vis-a-vis predictive astrology!

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Dear Prashantji Pandeyji,

Namaskar!

I am really glad to read your

comments, " Excellent mail with Vedic Facts!! This tells that what

nakshatra we should use to erect Vedic Calendar instead which we are

considering now-a-days (Jyotishi fraternities nks concept).

Good mail to streamline Vedic

Calendar " .

What is all the more pleasing is

that you have arrived at such a conclusion after following the discussions and

going through most of the documents in the files section etc. and not with your

eyes shut!

My experience has been till date

that quite a few people are either averse to or deliberately misinterpret the

scriptural injunctions or show a passivity to sift grain from the chaff, which

is quite surprising. Several scholars, who have understood the travesty,

are silent perhaps because they do not want to annoy the “Vedic

astrologer” fraternity!

As you are yourself an astrologer

-- probably an amateur, and also the Owner/Moderator of an astrology forum,

having studied both Indian and Western systems, and in spite of the same, your

words, " Astrology has nothing to do with streamlining Vedic Calendar.

Dharma comes before astrology,….it has nothing to do with Hindu

Dharma " shows a refreshing contradistinction to the usual mental setup of

astrologers, for whom " predictive astrology is above all and everything

else, including the streamlining of the Vedic calendar, is subservient to the

same " .

I do not blame them either

actually, since I was sailing in the same boat myself a couple of decades back

and whatever was written in Brihat Parashari or Brihat Jatakam etc. astrology

books or whatever guidelines were given by late Dr. B. V. Raman etc. were

brahma-vakya for me.

It is only with His grace that I

realized the disturbing truth that astrology was anything but Vedic and it was

only because of the innumerable rashichakras, thanks to Surya Sidhanta of Maya

the mlechha, that we have invented hundreds of rashichakras, including the so

called sayana one, the Lahiri one etc., that we are celebrating all our

festivals and muhurtas on wrong days.

I approached all the leading

astrologers like late Dr. B. V. Raman, late R. Santhanam, Shri K. N. Rao, Shri

Sanjay Rath, Smti Gayatri Devi Vasudev, Prof. P. S. Sastri etc. etc. to name a

few of them, personally keeping all the facts before them as to how we were

celebrating all the festivals on wrong days.

I used to go to Bharatiya Vidya

Bhavan in Connaught Place, New Delhi, and presented complimentary copies of my

panchangas to all the teachers/faculty members there, with a request that they

go through the contents of the same and let me have their views about the fact

that we were celebrating all the festivals on wrong days. Most of the contents

of those panchangas are condensed in 1999b.doc. I regret to say that all

of them just kept quiet on such a " controversial issue " .

Same was the case with Jagadgurus

and other Acharyas etc.

Till then I was under the

impression that we were celebrating all the festivals on wrong days only

because the facts had not been brought to the notice of these stalwarts or the

Jagatgurus etc., but I realized, very late in the day, that all those stalwarts

etc. were only interested in making " correct predictions " , at the

cost of the real Vedic calendar. Even I was awarded NOSTRADUMS AWARD,

sponsored by Express Star Teller, by the Swamigal of Kanchi Kamakoti, for my

correct predictions on mundane astrology through so called Sayana Rashichakra

Secondary Progressions/transits etc., in 1995. As I had stared learning

Sayana astrology in around 1984 or so for quite some time after that award, I

was under the impression that my predictions were successful only because

Sayana Rashichakra was the Vedic Rashichakra and Secondary Progressions were

the Vedic way of delineation! What a misconception that too was!

Ironically, all those stalwarts

etc. continued to call the predictive techniques " Vedic astrology " !

To cut a long story short, there

is a very miniscule number of people who have understood thoroughly the gamut

of the Vedic calendar, and as to how " Vedic astrology " is the main

hurdle in the same. WE must, as such, try to enlarge that miniscule

number.

I also suggest that we form a new

" Calendar Reform Committee " and get the same registered with the GOI,

so that we can make a formal representation to the powers that be and try to

streamline the Hindu calendar IN THE SAME MANNER AS IS BEING DONE IN NEPAL.

I am copying this mail to several

other forums also, to elicit the views of their members about joining our heads

together, for streamlining the Vedic/Hindu calendar.

With regards,

A K Kaul

 

 

 

 

--- In

Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest , " Prashant

Pandey " <praspandey wrote:

Excellent mail with Vedic

Facts!!

 

This tells that what nakshatra we

should use to erect Vedic Calendar instead which we are considering

now-a-days(Jyotishis fraternities nks concept).

 

Good mail to streamline Vedic

Calendar.

 

We can make many types of

permutation and combination just to make calendar on the basis of Moon's, Sun's

or both's movements.Any logician can advise various types of calendar just to

track down the events.

 

Thing is what the calendar we were

using and on which our religion is standing,, we should follow that.In the same

way our Muslim Bretherns use Lunar Calendar so they enjoy their festivals

according to that,,if they dont use their Vedic Calendar then they should not

be counted as Muslims.

 

Astrology has nothing to do with

streamlining Vedic Calendar.Dharma comes before the astrology,,BTW astrology is

science,, it has nothing to do with Hindu Dharma.

Good mail indeed !!

Regs,

Prashant Pandey

 

--- In

hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved@> wrote:

 

Dear Moderator,

Namaskar!

<Shri Kaul goes on repeating the

same long stuff like a parrot without any new ideas being thrown in.>

I am in full agreement with you

myself that there are no new ideas since the real Vedic calendar has nothing

new to offer!

<Since most of us

here in this group to my understanding

is not that keen to debate on

astrology/new calendar etc >

The real Vedic calendar is

extremely simple, and can be summarized in a few lines:

1. The Vedic solar year started

from Uttarayana, now it starts (actually should start) from Vernal Equinox

(Vasanta Sampat).

2. Vedic Lunar New year started

from the first lunar month of Shishira Ritu, i.e. Magha with the first New Moon

after Uttarayana. Now a days it starts (actually should start!) with the first

New Moon after the start of Vasanta Ritu, that was on February 26, 2009.

3. The names of Vedic months are

Madhu/Chaitra, Madhava/Vaishakha, Shukra/Jyeshtha, Shuchih/Ashadha,

Nabhas/Shravana, Nabhasya/Bhadra, Isha/Ashvayuja, Urja/Kartika,

Sahas/Agrahayana (Margasheersha), Sahasya/Pausha, Tapah/Magha, Tapasya/Phalguna.

These names get interchanged with

solar as well as lunar months in our shastras.

4. Lunar Adhika-masa must be

decided vis-a-vis solar Madhu, Madhava etc.

5. In ancient times Nakshatra

division started from Krittika as the Vernal Equinox was in that nakshatra

division then. Thus these days it must start from Purva-Bhadra because

the VE is in almost exact conjunction with Beta Pegassi star these days.

6. Nakshatras have an

independent existence i.e. they are not clubbed with any month. Thus when the

moon is hovering around Ashvini Star, in any month, it is Ashvini nakshatra on

that day and so on.

This was the system followed till

about first centuries of CE, i.e. till the advent of the Surya Sidhanta by Maya

the mlechha, when Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis came into vogue.

7. Those rashis were lapped

by jyotishis for predictive purposes and they started having their finger in

the calendar making pie as well.

8. That was the start of the

downfall of the Vedic calendar. However, stalwarts and scholars like

Acharya Sayana continued to ignore Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis for calendric

months till about fifteenth century AD.

This will be evident from npj3.doc

in the files section. Kindly do take some time out and go through it to

see for yourself the mayhem that the Vedic calendar is being subjected to.

The problem, therefore, is that

since " Vedic astrologers " cannot do without Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis

and that also the so called nirayana ones for predictive purposes, they,

however, do not want the calendar reform to let go out of their hands, since

nobody will believe their hotch-potch then if the " Makar Sankrantis "

of " Vedic astrologers " are not recognized for religious festivals and

so on.

What is most ironical is

that the zodiac which is supposed to comprise these Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis

of 12 equal (twelve) division, is non-existent in the Vedas, the Vedanga

Jyotisha and even astronomically! Scientifically, Zodiac itself is an

imaginary belt, which means that the twelve equal divisions named Mesha, Vrisha

etc. of that imaginary belt are all the more imaginary!

And it is those very

imaginary Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis that are being thrust on the Vedic months

Madhu, Madhava etc. In fact, the real dimensions of time in the shape of

Madhu, Madhava etc. real seasonal months and the four cardinal points are

being replaced by these plethora of Rashis. On top of it, there is a

cacaphony going on about the Sayana versus nirayana! If the rashis

themselves are non-existent, it is all the more pathetic to call them sidereal

or tropical or sayana or nirayana etc. etc.

As such, all I am requesting

these " Vedic astrologers " is that let them continue to make

" absolutely correct predictions from Varaha Hora or Shambu Hora or any

other Hora on the basis of any sayana or nirayana rashis and so on, but for

God's sake, leave the calendar alone, and do not thrust your non-existent Mesha

etc. rashis on the same " .

That is the only request to all

the Hindus, 90 per cent of whom are " Vedic astrologers " .

<it is better left to

experts to have a detailed arguments amongst themselves>

We have been leaving this issue

" to experts " till date and that is why we are celeberating Navratras

from today i.e. March 27 instead of Feburayr 26. IMHO We should not

repeat the same mistake now but decide the issue ourselves.

With regards,

A K Kaul

--- In

hinducivilization , " Ravi "

<ravi7640@> wrote:

I certainly agree with you

Shankarji. Shri Kaul goes on repeating the same

long stuff like a parrot

without any new ideas being thrown in. Although it

is not going to make any

difference,I hardly read them but mostly delete

these upon its arrival in my

PC. However we did not see anyone trying to

rebut him in a convincing

way. Hence it was a stalemate. Sunil was unable to

rebut his arguments in a

succinct and coherent way and hence took to

personal insults which you

will agree is not the right thing to do.All

members have freedom of

expressions here especially since this is an

un-moderated list.

Since most of us here in this group to my understanding

is not that keen to debate

on astrology/new calendar etc it is better left

to experts to have a detailed

arguments amongst themselves. Hence my

suggestion to Sunil to take this

issue else where. This applies to Kaul too.

He is not welcome to go on

with his repeated posts like a stuck gramophone

plate (which of course only

the older generation understands !).

Moderator

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" shankarabharadwaj " <shankarabharadwaj@>

<hinducivilization >

Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:31 AM

[hc] Re: Fw:

[WAVES-Vedic] UNSUBSCRIBE

I think it will be

fair only when both Sri AKK and his opponents are asked

to do that. The former is no fair,

only his language and presentation are

better. While people mostly

respond to him, he is the one who usually (even

deliberately) provokes any such

" fight " with his never ending sequence of

postings on the same things over

and over again (with no improvement or

correction).

 

There are about 600 postings by

him on this subject, and the what all he

said (let us forget for now its

right/wrong/validity) without repetition

can be reduced to much less

than 50 posts. And it has become clear to

almost everyone who tried to

discuss with him, that it is not possible to

get to any logical

conclusions.

His bhramara keetaka tactic will

only make more members lose their temper.

Decency cannot be about language

alone.

--- In

hinducivilization , " Ravi "

<ravi7640@> wrote:

I would suggest you take up your

fight with Shri Kaul else where since we

are quite bored with your in

coherent outpourings.

Moderator

 

 

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