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Dear heathermarie.hayes heathermarie.hayes

 

 

Pls read this article written by me.

 

 

What Vedic Astrology is all about?

Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific results based on placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve houses or bhava’s in a horoscope. In good old days Rishi Munni’s had divya gyan and complete knowledge of the placement of all the planets through which they could predict and tell everything about the past, present & future of an individual.

When a person is born at a particular day, time and place, he is born with his past, present & future. Everybody wants to know about his or her past, present & what his future will be. Even the Demigods were keen to know the same and when they approached Lord Brahma, Brahmaji replied that Demigods could know about their past, present & future through Brahma and the manushya in this universe will know the same through astrology. Our horoscope is our complete Bio Data in reality.

God gave us a human form or Shareer, but God said now a person in this human form cannot live alone he needs a family to give him company, so God gave him a family. Now God said that this person needs money/dhan in order to sustain himself He gave him money/dhan. Now in order to grow he needs bothers/sisters/friends/contacts/relatives, so God gave him younger siblings, friends, relatives, contacts.

Now with family, money, siblings, and friend’s man needs some place where he can live, he needs some luxuries of life, so God gave him house & luxuries. In good old days a bullock cart was a luxury & now in present days it a two or four wheeler. Now when he has a house to live he needs intelligence and children for the family to grow. God gave him intelligence and capability to have children.

Now when God gave us human form, money, family, siblings, luxuries, intelligence, children God also wanted to ensure that if person has all the comforts of life there will be no difference between hell and heaven so God gave him sufferings in the form of disease and enemies. Now if a person has sufferings he needs someone to look after him and he will also have some kind of lust to enjoy the senses so he gave him a spouse to look after and support and satisfy our lust. God also gave us a certain life span or longevity.

Now after getting all these things God gave us our destiny in the form of fortune or bhagya and also gave us spiritual consciousness to remember God. Then God said that manushya has to do some kind of karma or activity to sustain oneself and the family, He gave us various ways of executing our karma by engaging ourselves in working or doing business and that is how we earn money by selecting the profession as either working for someonelse(service) or doing our own profession. God also gave gave us some losses to be borne by us as whatever we do is not 100% beneficial some part of it always goes as waste which is our loss.

In astrology we have twelve houses or bhava’s. From the first house we see ourselves, from 2nd house we see our family and money/dhan, and from 3rd house we see our siblings, friends, relatives, contacts. From the 4th house we see our luxuries, from 5th house we see our intelligence and our children, from 6th house we see our enemies and our disease state, from 7th house our sexual relationships and our spouse, from 8th house we see our longevity.

Our 9th house shows how fortunate we are and our devotional service, from 10th house what kind of karma we will execute, from 11th house how will we earn money by business or working and our 12th house says what will be our losses and up to what extent.

There are seven planets and two shadow planets or nodes. Sun or Surya is the king of all the planets who is also our father, Moon or Chandra is the queen of all the planets who is also our mother. Mars or Mangal is our defense minister or our physical strength, our younger siblings and our friends. Mercury or Budh is the Prince of the king and queen and is also our intelligence. Jupiter or Brihaspati is the teacher or Guru will show us our direction, give us knowledge or gyan and also show our prosperity. Venus or Shukra is our greed, lust our sexual relationships, spouse and Saturn or Sani is the servant who will do all the work. Rahu & Ketu are the shadow planets who disguise themselves in the form in which house they sit or with whichever planet & house they sit.

 

Sun being king planet will do his task in 6 yrs, moon in 10 yrs, mars in 7 yrs, mercury in 17 yrs, Jupiter in 16 yrs, Venus in 20 yrs, Saturn in 19 yrs, Rahu in 18yrs & Ketu in 7 yrs. These are our maha dasha’s.

This is what Vedic astrology is all about. Our horoscope tells us what are our good times of life our bad times of our life and our sufferings.

 

Haresh Nathani

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Dear Nathani Ji,

Namaskar,

Your entire article is based on religious myth but like all businessmen

astrologers you have started your article with " Vedic astrology is science,

which gives scientific results… " , just to misguide new generation, who is

attractive towards the word " Science " . So I am sorry to say that like all others

you are promoting astrological myth in the coverup of science.

 

But perhaps you are not aware like all other astrologers that science and

scientific concept is always open for critical analysis and they have definite

data and procedure behind formulating any principle. But you and other

astrologers are expert in selling the word `science' and never prepared for any

academic discussion neither in this forum nor in any other forum.

 

During our earlier interaction I want to discuss some points (refer msg 10-8-8)

but you have disappeared and again I supplied those points on your request

(refer msg 5-4-9) but since then you are observing silence.

 

In this situation I will like to say that you and all astrologers may not use

the word Scientific astrology etc. or be prepared for proper discussion for the

benefit of astrology it-self.

 

However I have picked some point from your article and hope you will come out

with satisfactory and scientific / Vedic explanation instead of long silence. If

you want then you can take help of your friends in different forums, for

replying following few points. Some more points will follow on hearing from you.

Because it is science then discussion is a must and if it is blindfaith then no

question only followers.

 

My points are :-

 

1 If Vedic astrology is science then please intimate reference of Ved where

principles of predictive astrology is available including horoscope.

 

2 If in good old days Rishi Munni’s had divya gyan then why they were not even

able to find with his divya gyan that Earth is rotating around the Sun and it is

not stationary and Sun is not near the Earth in comparison of Moon. Do you know

that Rishi munis including sage Parashar (on whose shoulders predictive

astrology is resting) says that Sun is one lakh yojan from the Earth and Moon is

two lakh yojan from the Earth.

 

3 If on the basis of placement of all the planets through which they could

predict and tell everything about the past, present & future of an individual,

then please quote any prediction based on application of astrological principles

on placement of planets etc. If it would have been so then Janak would have not

married his daughter Sita to Shri Ram or Dasharath would have not marry Kakai,

Or Duryodhan would have consulted an astrologer before fighting or gambling.

 

4 If manushya in this universe will know the same (past present future) through

astrology hence are you not interfering with the work of God by leaking the

destiny and that too without any fruitful result. Otherwise Shri Bajpai Ji

would have never been unmarried for life, if astrologer would have been able to

see that one day he will be PM. In that situation every Janak of the city

(father of daughter) would have been prepared for such marriage; Or Shri Kalaam

(our Ex President) would have not unmarried. Still, astrologers like you

scattered in length and breadth of the country, have ample scope to pick young

boys of 25-30 age-group for their daughters, who may be PM, CM, MP and so on.

Because every would be PM, CM, MP etc. after 2020 or his parents may have

consulted an astrologer by now. So do you or other astrologers have any one like

this in 100 crores population.

 

5 If there are two shadow planets or nodes then you may have proper reference of

scriptures or Puran etc. where it is mentioned.

 

6 If Moon or Chandra is the queen of all the planets who is also our mother then

Moon must be lesbian otherwise King Daksh would have not married his 27

daughters to him (with her). Please be fair and do not put Greek concept in the

mouth of our sages.

 

7 If Mercury or Budh is the Prince of the king and queen then he/she may have

both sex.

 

8 What is the task which Sun being king planet will do (his) task in 6 yrs and

other planets will do in different years (Vinshottary dasha years). How these

years have been concluded by sages? If it is science then you may have data and

procedure for such conclusion.

 

I hope that you will come out with your stand if you really want to substantiate

that astrology is science otherwise there is ample chance that as-usual you may

again go in long silence. Thus I am also requesting other members to come out

with their stand for proper and healthy discussion on astrology.

 

Thanks,

 

Yours truly,

 

Sanat kumar Jain

 

3-5-9

 

 

PS

 

1 I welcome all new members and request to take active part in exchanging views

even though they may have different views. Because forum is meant for exchanging

the views of any side and not for supporting blind-faith.

 

2 Ms. Deepika Ji, hope to hear your views.

 

 

 

, " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani "

<haresh1405 wrote:

>

> Dear heathermarie.hayes heathermarie.hayes

>

>

> Pls read this article written by me.

>

> What Vedic Astrology is all about?

> Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific results based on placement

of the nine planets in any of the twelve houses or bhava’s in a horoscope. In

good old days Rishi Munni’s had divya gyan and complete knowledge of the

placement of all the planets through which they could predict and tell

everything about the past, present & future of an individual.

> When a person is born at a particular day, time and place, he is born with his

past, present & future. Everybody wants to know about his or her past, present &

what his future will be. Even the Demigods were keen to know the same and when

they approached Lord Brahma, Brahmaji replied that Demigods could know about

their past, present & future through Brahma and the manushya in this universe

will know the same through astrology. Our horoscope is our complete Bio Data in

reality.

> God gave us a human form or Shareer, but God said now a person in this human

form cannot live alone he needs a family to give him company, so God gave him a

family. Now God said that this person needs money/dhan in order to sustain

himself He gave him money/dhan. Now in order to grow he needs

bothers/sisters/friends/contacts/relatives, so God gave him younger siblings,

friends, relatives, contacts.

> Now with family, money, siblings, and friend’s man needs some place where he

can live, he needs some luxuries of life, so God gave him house & luxuries. In

good old days a bullock cart was a luxury & now in present days it a two or four

wheeler. Now when he has a house to live he needs intelligence and children for

the family to grow. God gave him intelligence and capability to have children.

> Now when God gave us human form, money, family, siblings, luxuries,

intelligence, children God also wanted to ensure that if person has all the

comforts of life there will be no difference between hell and heaven so God gave

him sufferings in the form of disease and enemies. Now if a person has

sufferings he needs someone to look after him and he will also have some kind of

lust to enjoy the senses so he gave him a spouse to look after and support and

satisfy our lust.  God also gave us a certain life span or longevity.

> Now after getting all these things God gave us our destiny in the form of

fortune or bhagya and also gave us spiritual consciousness to remember God. Then

God said that manushya has to do some kind of karma or activity to sustain

oneself and the family, He gave us various ways of executing our karma by

engaging ourselves in working or doing business and that is how we earn money by

selecting the profession as either working for someonelse(service) or doing our

own profession. God also gave gave us some losses to be borne by us as whatever

we do is not 100% beneficial some part of it always goes as waste which is our

loss.

> In astrology we have twelve houses or bhava’s. From the first house we see

ourselves, from 2nd house we see our family and money/dhan, and from 3rd house

we see our siblings, friends, relatives, contacts. From the 4th house we see our

luxuries, from 5th house we see our intelligence and our children, from 6th

house we see our enemies and our disease state, from 7th house our sexual

relationships and our spouse, from 8th house we see our longevity.

> Our 9th house shows how fortunate we are and our devotional service, from 10th

house what kind of karma we will execute, from 11th house how will we earn money

by business or working and our 12th house says what will be our losses and up to

what extent.

> There are seven planets and two shadow planets or nodes. Sun or Surya is the

king of all the planets who is also our father, Moon or Chandra is the queen of

all the planets who is also our mother. Mars or Mangal is our defense minister

or our physical strength, our younger siblings and our friends. Mercury or Budh

is the Prince of the king and queen and is also our intelligence. Jupiter or

Brihaspati is the teacher or Guru will show us our direction, give us knowledge

or gyan and also show our prosperity.  Venus or Shukra is our greed, lust our

sexual relationships, spouse and Saturn or Sani is the servant who will do all

the work. Rahu & Ketu are the shadow planets who disguise themselves in the form

in which house they sit or with whichever planet & house they sit.

> Sun being king planet will do his task in 6 yrs,  moon in 10 yrs, mars in 7

yrs, mercury in 17 yrs, Jupiter in 16 yrs, Venus in 20 yrs, Saturn in 19 yrs,

Rahu in 18yrs & Ketu in 7 yrs. These are our maha dasha’s.

> This is what Vedic astrology is all about. Our horoscope tells us what are our

good times of life our bad times of our life and our sufferings.

>  

> Haresh Nathani

> Cell +91 9867214103

> Tele/Fax +91 22 24031469

> E mail hareshgnathani

> Mumbai (India)

> The author of this article is a professional Vedic Astrologer.

>  

> HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER  CELL +919867214103

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> heathermarie.hayes <heathermarie.hayes

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> Friday, 1 May, 2009 9:11:21 PM

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Shri Haesh Nathani ji,

Namaskar!

U have said, " Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific results based

on placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve houses or bhava’s in a

horoscope. "

 

Well, that is a good joke but it is a cruel one since it is at the cost of the

sanctity of the Vedas! This joke has been going on for that last several

centuries. As such, pl. coin some new joke now since people have become bored

to death by such joke being repeated time and again!

 

I know u know it in your heart of hearts that the so called Vedic astrology is

actually the greatest fraud on the Vedas but u have no courage to say so openly!

Pl. do brush up your knowledge by going through Rotary.doc in the files section

Regards,

A K Kaul

, " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani "

<haresh1405 wrote:

>

> Dear heathermarie.hayes heathermarie.hayes

>

>

> Pls read this article written by me.

>

> What Vedic Astrology is all about?

> Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific results based on placement

of the nine planets in any of the twelve houses or bhava’s in a horoscope. In

good old days Rishi Munni’s had divya gyan and complete knowledge of the

placement of all the planets through which they could predict and tell

everything about the past, present & future of an individual.

> When a person is born at a particular day, time and place, he is born with his

past, present & future. Everybody wants to know about his or her past, present &

what his future will be. Even the Demigods were keen to know the same and when

they approached Lord Brahma, Brahmaji replied that Demigods could know about

their past, present & future through Brahma and the manushya in this universe

will know the same through astrology. Our horoscope is our complete Bio Data in

reality.

> God gave us a human form or Shareer, but God said now a person in this human

form cannot live alone he needs a family to give him company, so God gave him a

family. Now God said that this person needs money/dhan in order to sustain

himself He gave him money/dhan. Now in order to grow he needs

bothers/sisters/friends/contacts/relatives, so God gave him younger siblings,

friends, relatives, contacts.

> Now with family, money, siblings, and friend’s man needs some place where he

can live, he needs some luxuries of life, so God gave him house & luxuries. In

good old days a bullock cart was a luxury & now in present days it a two or four

wheeler. Now when he has a house to live he needs intelligence and children for

the family to grow. God gave him intelligence and capability to have children.

> Now when God gave us human form, money, family, siblings, luxuries,

intelligence, children God also wanted to ensure that if person has all the

comforts of life there will be no difference between hell and heaven so God gave

him sufferings in the form of disease and enemies. Now if a person has

sufferings he needs someone to look after him and he will also have some kind of

lust to enjoy the senses so he gave him a spouse to look after and support and

satisfy our lust.  God also gave us a certain life span or longevity.

> Now after getting all these things God gave us our destiny in the form of

fortune or bhagya and also gave us spiritual consciousness to remember God. Then

God said that manushya has to do some kind of karma or activity to sustain

oneself and the family, He gave us various ways of executing our karma by

engaging ourselves in working or doing business and that is how we earn money by

selecting the profession as either working for someonelse(service) or doing our

own profession. God also gave gave us some losses to be borne by us as whatever

we do is not 100% beneficial some part of it always goes as waste which is our

loss.

> In astrology we have twelve houses or bhava’s. From the first house we see

ourselves, from 2nd house we see our family and money/dhan, and from 3rd house

we see our siblings, friends, relatives, contacts. From the 4th house we see our

luxuries, from 5th house we see our intelligence and our children, from 6th

house we see our enemies and our disease state, from 7th house our sexual

relationships and our spouse, from 8th house we see our longevity.

> Our 9th house shows how fortunate we are and our devotional service, from 10th

house what kind of karma we will execute, from 11th house how will we earn money

by business or working and our 12th house says what will be our losses and up to

what extent.

> There are seven planets and two shadow planets or nodes. Sun or Surya is the

king of all the planets who is also our father, Moon or Chandra is the queen of

all the planets who is also our mother. Mars or Mangal is our defense minister

or our physical strength, our younger siblings and our friends. Mercury or Budh

is the Prince of the king and queen and is also our intelligence. Jupiter or

Brihaspati is the teacher or Guru will show us our direction, give us knowledge

or gyan and also show our prosperity.  Venus or Shukra is our greed, lust our

sexual relationships, spouse and Saturn or Sani is the servant who will do all

the work. Rahu & Ketu are the shadow planets who disguise themselves in the form

in which house they sit or with whichever planet & house they sit.

> Sun being king planet will do his task in 6 yrs,  moon in 10 yrs, mars in 7

yrs, mercury in 17 yrs, Jupiter in 16 yrs, Venus in 20 yrs, Saturn in 19 yrs,

Rahu in 18yrs & Ketu in 7 yrs. These are our maha dasha’s.

> This is what Vedic astrology is all about. Our horoscope tells us what are our

good times of life our bad times of our life and our sufferings.

>  

> Haresh Nathani

> Cell +91 9867214103

> Tele/Fax +91 22 24031469

> E mail hareshgnathani

> Mumbai (India)

> The author of this article is a professional Vedic Astrologer.

>  

> HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER  CELL +919867214103

>

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> heathermarie.hayes <heathermarie.hayes

>

> Friday, 1 May, 2009 9:11:21 PM

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Dear Gopi ji,

 

As elaborated later by Vinay Jee about friend and enemy both being within our

Universe of duality -- perhaps resonates with all this business about dark

matter, dark energy and so on that is getting the attention of modern physicists

that are focused on the Universe or more appropriately on the quest of: Whither

Universe?

 

RR

 

 

, " gopi_b927 " <gopi_b927 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Rohiniji,

>

> well said.

>

> regards,

>

> gopi.

>

>

>

>

> , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Dada,

> >

> > If our personal belief is firm and we are fully at peace with same, we

> shall not sway readily in the winds created by the uncertainties of

> others!

> >

> > It is when we take up the formidable task of transforming others

> without even knowing or getting to know who the 'others' are is when we

> run into problems that Internet and particularly Jyotish fora are

> experiencing!

> >

> > You can never make an enemy see your point! First make him a friend,

> because really in the very short time that we human beings are given to

> spend a lifetime, there is not enough time to make enemies, although

> when we stretch our hands to make friends, TIME stretches!

> >

> > Must be one of those quantum realities or something ... What do I

> know?

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> sunil_bhattacharjya@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rohini,

> > > Â

> > > I do not call astrology as science as there are some esoteric

> elements in it. If some people do not believe in it one has to

> leave them alone. In the same way one should not object to anybody's

> believing in astrology. The Grahas and the Nakshatras may effect us

> either in inperceptible or in imperceptible ways. The Jupiter is

> protecting us by diverting to itself some stray heavenly bodies, which

> otherwise would have hit the Earth. We see the effect of the Sun

> and the Moon on water when go to the sea-side and we should not forget

> that our bodies have more water than anything else.  If one one

> wants to evaluate these effects anew on statistical basis we should not

> object to it. But if one condemns astrology just because he thinks

> that the Grahas and the Nakshatras cannot affect us or that any relation

> between the heavenly bodies and us cannot exist then that

> condemnation is unpardonable.

> > > Â

> > > Moreover the Hindus are right in getting upset when AKK and his

> likes  are trying their best  to distort the antiquity of

> Hindu astrology and that is an attack on Hinduism itself as Jyotish is a

> subject which has sanction from the ancient Dharmashastra Manu Smriti.

> > > Â

> > > Best wishes,

> > > Â

> > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > > Â

> > > Â

> > > Â

> > > Â

> > > Â

> > > Â

> > > Â

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@

> > > [VRI] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or a

> religious myth? in which aspect?

> > >

> > > Thursday, May 14, 2009, 6:35 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Dada-bhai,

> > >

> > > Perhaps I am sticking my nose in the wrong gun-slinging but over the

> short teen-chaar decades of dabbling with jyotish etc what I have

> noticed is that there seems to be a tendency to claim before prooving!

> Scientists doing such would get killed, metaphorically at least in the

> real world out there, even if some may call it 'phani' (or the way a

> Bangali $wamiji that I came across long ago would have pronounced

> " funny " if you catch my drift!)!

> > >

> > > If astrology is indeed science and astrologers seem to be overeager

> to claim and prove it to be, and that is perfectly fine, but did Science

> get established as a MAJOR force to be reckoned with in modern reality

> by going back to its scriptures (papers written in 1700s or 1800s?).

> > >

> > > NO! It (and scientists) built upon what was created by Giants of

> Yore but with reasonable caution! While *LATER-DAY* Scientists

> gratefully climbed on the shoulders of their GIANT pioneers, they always

> made sure that they packed a working parachute before the climb! Being

> pragmatic by disposition, they took into account the 'risk': What if the

> ancient cookie crumbles!! Cookies are known to biodegrade over long

> periods of time. Yes??

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Hareshji,

> > > > ÂÂ

> > > > Namaste,

> > > > ÂÂ

> > > > There are many people who may not believe in rebirth and

> the karma theory because you cannot prove these to them. Many of us

> including you believe in the karma theory and in rebirth. So also

> we believe in astrology and that the natal charts tell us about past

> karma and in this life we reap according to our past karma and the

> present karma together and that is why some present karmas do

> influence on our past karmaphal. In the Mahabharata also there

> umpteen instances of omens (effect of the grahas and

> nakhsatras). Hindus believe in all these. Astrology was there in

> the Hindu culture from the beginning and it is mentioned in the Manu

> Smriti. Besides Hindus the other religions and communities also

> have such beliefs. The christians believe that Jesus Christ himself

> predicted that he would resurrect after death and that he accordingly

> resurrected yet after his death he could appear before some of

> his disciples in flesh amd blood.

> > > They also believe

> > > > that Jesus was born of a virgin mother and that Jesus could walk

> on water. Christians also believe that the soul dies on death. Islam

> also believes that the Moon was split into two parts by Prophet Muhammad

> and that prophet Muhammad had once journeyed to some distant far-away

> inaccessible regions in one night.

> > > > ÂÂ

> > > > Mr. Kaul may call all these as nonsense. So leave him alone. He

> may find some supporters like him in many fora and we need not bother

> about that. But he is spreading some lies such as the Rashis are

> not there in the Veda and Vedanga and that astrology was not known to

> the Hindus in the ancient times. We sould be on our guard only against

> his such mischievous lies.

> > > > ÂÂ

> > > > Regards,

> > > > ÂÂ

> > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@ ..>

> > > > [VRI] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or a religious

> myth? in which aspect?

> > > > vedic_research_ institute

> > > > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 9:28 AM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Shri Haesh Nathani ji,

> > > > Namaskar!

> > > > U have said, " Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific

> results based on placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve

> houses or bhava’s in a horoscope. "

> > > >

> > > > Well, that is a good joke but it is a cruel one since it is at the

> cost of the sanctity of the Vedas! This joke has been going on for that

> last several centuries. As such, pl. coin some new joke now since people

> have become bored to death by such joke being repeated time and again!

> > > >

> > > > I know u know it in your heart of hearts that the so called Vedic

> astrology is actually the greatest fraud on the Vedas but u have no

> courage to say so openly! Pl. do brush up your knowledge by going

> through Rotary.doc in the files section

> > > > Regards,

> > > > A K Kaul

> > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\)

> Nathani " <haresh1405@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear heathermarie. hayes heathermarie. hayes@

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Pls read this article written by me.

> > > > >

> > > > > What Vedic Astrology is all about?

> > > > > Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific results based

> on placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve houses or

> bhava’s in a horoscope. In good old days Rishi

> Munni’s had divya gyan and complete knowledge

> of the placement of all the planets through which they could predict and

> tell everything about the past, present & future of an individual.

> > > > > When a person is born at a particular day, time and place, he is

> born with his past, present & future. Everybody wants to know about his

> or her past, present & what his future will be. Even the Demigods were

> keen to know the same and when they approached Lord Brahma, Brahmaji

> replied that Demigods could know about their past, present & future

> through Brahma and the manushya in this universe will know the same

> through astrology. Our horoscope is our complete Bio Data in reality.

> > > > > God gave us a human form or Shareer, but God said now a person

> in this human form cannot live alone he needs a family to give him

> company, so God gave him a family. Now God said that this person needs

> money/dhan in order to sustain himself He gave him money/dhan. Now in

> order to grow he needs bothers/sisters/ friends/contacts /relatives, so

> God gave him younger siblings, friends, relatives, contacts.

> > > > > Now with family, money, siblings, and

> friend’s man needs some place where he can

> live, he needs some luxuries of life, so God gave him house & luxuries.

> In good old days a bullock cart was a luxury & now in present days it a

> two or four wheeler. Now when he has a house to live he needs

> intelligence and children for the family to grow. God gave him

> intelligence and capability to have children.

> > > > > Now when God gave us human form, money, family, siblings,

> luxuries, intelligence, children God also wanted to ensure that if

> person has all the comforts of life there will be no difference between

> hell and heaven so God gave him sufferings in the form of disease and

> enemies. Now if a person has sufferings he needs someone to look after

> him and he will also have some kind of lust to enjoy the senses so he

> gave him a spouse to look after and support and satisfy our

> lust. God also gave us a certain life span or longevity.

> > > > > Now after getting all these things God gave us our destiny in

> the form of fortune or bhagya and also gave us spiritual consciousness

> to remember God. Then God said that manushya has to do some kind of

> karma or activity to sustain oneself and the family, He gave us various

> ways of executing our karma by engaging ourselves in working or doing

> business and that is how we earn money by selecting the profession as

> either working for someonelse(service) or doing our own profession. God

> also gave gave us some losses to be borne by us as whatever we do is not

> 100% beneficial some part of it always goes as waste which is our loss.

> > > > > In astrology we have twelve houses or

> bhava’s. From the first house we see ourselves,

> from 2nd house we see our family and money/dhan, and from 3rd house we

> see our siblings, friends, relatives, contacts. From the 4th house we

> see our luxuries, from 5th house we see our intelligence and our

> children, from 6th house we see our enemies and our disease state, from

> 7th house our sexual relationships and our spouse, from 8th house we see

> our longevity.

> > > > > Our 9th house shows how fortunate we are and our devotional

> service, from 10th house what kind of karma we will execute, from 11th

> house how will we earn money by business or working and our 12th house

> says what will be our losses and up to what extent.

> > > > > There are seven planets and two shadow planets or nodes. Sun or

> Surya is the king of all the planets who is also our father, Moon or

> Chandra is the queen of all the planets who is also our mother. Mars or

> Mangal is our defense minister or our physical strength, our younger

> siblings and our friends. Mercury or Budh is the Prince of the king and

> queen and is also our intelligence. Jupiter or Brihaspati is the teacher

> or Guru will show us our direction, give us knowledge or gyan and also

> show our prosperity.  Venus or Shukra is our greed, lust

> our sexual relationships, spouse and Saturn or Sani is the servant who

> will do all the work. Rahu & Ketu are the shadow planets who disguise

> themselves in the form in which house they sit or with whichever planet

> & house they sit.

> > > > > Sun being king planet will do his task in 6 yrs,ÂÂÂ

> moon in 10 yrs, mars in 7 yrs, mercury in 17 yrs, Jupiter in 16 yrs,

> Venus in 20 yrs, Saturn in 19 yrs, Rahu in 18yrs & Ketu in 7 yrs. These

> are our maha dasha’s.

> > > > > This is what Vedic astrology is all about. Our horoscope tells

> us what are our good times of life our bad times of our life and our

> sufferings.

> > > > > ÂÂÂ

> > > > > Haresh Nathani

> > > > > Cell +91 9867214103

> > > > > Tele/Fax +91 22 24031469

> > > > > E mail hareshgnathani@

> > > > > Mumbai (India)

> > > > > The author of this article is a professional Vedic Astrologer.

> > > > > ÂÂÂ

> > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL

> +919867214103

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> > > > > heathermarie. hayes <heathermarie. hayes@>

> > > > >

> > > > > Friday, 1 May, 2009 9:11:21 PM

> > > > > Is astrology a science or a

> religious myth? in which aspect?

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> > > > > is there anyone that can answer me?

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