[Ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Is astrology a science or a religious myth? in which aspect?

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hi dear anup this type discussion is not good 4 ur health ass well as our Sanskriti so avoid such type of discussion and also don't sent any one to disturb them OK byeeeeeeemy signature should be entered--- On Mon, 11/5/09, Anup Khanna <khannaanup32 wrote:Anup Khanna <khannaanup32Re: Re: [ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or a religious myth? in which aspect? Date: Monday, 11 May, 2009, 4:55 PM

 

abay randi ki aulaad haresh...

 

i will fuck whole lady in your family....

 

you are teaching astrology...

 

some astrologers already said that you are fake astrologer

 

you are the same astrologer who were laughing at divisional charts

 

abay harami you are the same you are the same person who were laughing at D-3 divisiional charts

 

suar teri maaa randi thiii--- On Mon, 11/5/09, Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405 > wrote:

Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405 > Re: [ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or a religious myth? in which aspect?Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.comCc: Monday, 11 May, 2009, 10:48 AM

 

 

 

 

Mr AKK & Mr. Sannaat Kumar

 

Their is no point in me debating with u people as this mail was not addressed to u, it was replied to other member who had raised the question

 

We all are aware u r keen in hvg the proof of the source of vedas. Well u people are misinterpreting the vedas & are misguiding the people. What proof do u want. When u were born did u ask any proof from ur parents that ur parents are ur parents. When u had ur own children did u ask ur wifes any proof that the child is ur own child.

 

What kind of evidence u r asking. Mr. AKK is asking for qualifications of knowing & learning vedas. the Lord has never said u need to qualify to learn vedas. Even a sudra or a vasya who has love & faith for God is elligible to learn & know vedas. Vedas are to be understood and encourage to people from its learning. U people are misguiding the people and spreading the misconception. It is mentioned in the ved puranas that some anti elements will dicourage & misinterpret the vedas. U r the proof & Ved Vyas has correctly mentioned in the Puranas.

 

Vedas has been given to us by the Rishis's & Acharya's to understand human life & also how to live the human life, & burn all the bad karmas for which we all r sufferring, how to burn them by following the laid principles in the vedas. Bhagwat Geeta is basically a manual in how to effectively lead this human birth, it is a ready reckockner manual to human body & Srimad Bhagwatam gives us all the Leela's performed by the Lord in his avtar as Sree Krishna.

 

Bhagwatam also describes all the atrocaties done by the demons like, Hiranya, Hiranyakashpu, Ravan, Kumbh Karan, Kansa, Shreepal, but the Lord after elliminating them had delivered them. U people do not have this fortune of being elliminated by the Lord, as the Lord has already appeared as Chaitanya Maha Prabhu over 500 yrs ago. Infact this Kalyug is a curse to all people who misinterpret the puranas and misguide people

 

We are inviting the wrong doings and the curse.

 

If u cannot change urself even the Lord will be helpless. Pray to Lord to give u some sadbhudhi

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, "Avtar Krishen Kaul" <jyotirved@. ..> wrote:Shri Haesh Nathani ji,Namaskar!U have said, "Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific results based on placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve houses or bhava’s in a horoscope."Well, that is a good joke but it is a cruel one since it is at the cost of the sanctity of the Vedas! This joke has been going on for that last several centuries. As such, pl. coin some new joke now since people have become bored to death by such joke being repeated time and again!I know u know it in your heart of hearts that the so called Vedic astrology is actually the greatest fraud on the Vedas but u have no courage to say so openly! Pl. do brush

up your knowledge by going through Rotary.doc in the files sectionRegards,A K Kaul, "Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani" <haresh1405@ > wrote:>> Dear heathermarie. hayes heathermarie. hayes@> > > Pls read this article written by me.> > What Vedic Astrology is all about?> Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific results based on placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve houses or bhava’s in a horoscope. In good old days Rishi Munni’s had divya gyan and complete knowledge of the placement of all the planets through which they could predict and tell everything about the past, present & future of an individual.> When a person is born

at a particular day, time and place, he is born with his past, present & future. Everybody wants to know about his or her past, present & what his future will be. Even the Demigods were keen to know the same and when they approached Lord Brahma, Brahmaji replied that Demigods could know about their past, present & future through Brahma and the manushya in this universe will know the same through astrology. Our horoscope is our complete Bio Data in reality. > God gave us a human form or Shareer, but God said now a person in this human form cannot live alone he needs a family to give him company, so God gave him a family. Now God said that this person needs money/dhan in order to sustain himself He gave him money/dhan. Now in order to grow he needs bothers/sisters/ friends/contacts /relatives, so God gave him younger siblings, friends, relatives, contacts. > Now with family, money, siblings, and friend’s man needs some

place where he can live, he needs some luxuries of life, so God gave him house & luxuries. In good old days a bullock cart was a luxury & now in present days it a two or four wheeler. Now when he has a house to live he needs intelligence and children for the family to grow. God gave him intelligence and capability to have children. > Now when God gave us human form, money, family, siblings, luxuries, intelligence, children God also wanted to ensure that if person has all the comforts of life there will be no difference between hell and heaven so God gave him sufferings in the form of disease and enemies. Now if a person has sufferings he needs someone to look after him and he will also have some kind of lust to enjoy the senses so he gave him a spouse to look after and support and satisfy our lust. God also gave us a certain life span or longevity.> Now after getting all these things God gave us our destiny in the form of

fortune or bhagya and also gave us spiritual consciousness to remember God. Then God said that manushya has to do some kind of karma or activity to sustain oneself and the family, He gave us various ways of executing our karma by engaging ourselves in working or doing business and that is how we earn money by selecting the profession as either working for someonelse(service) or doing our own profession. God also gave gave us some losses to be borne by us as whatever we do is not 100% beneficial some part of it always goes as waste which is our loss. > In astrology we have twelve houses or bhava’s. From the first house we see ourselves, from 2nd house we see our family and money/dhan, and from 3rd house we see our siblings, friends, relatives, contacts. From the 4th house we see our luxuries, from 5th house we see our intelligence and our children, from 6th house we see our enemies and our disease state, from 7th house our sexual

relationships and our spouse, from 8th house we see our longevity.> Our 9th house shows how fortunate we are and our devotional service, from 10th house what kind of karma we will execute, from 11th house how will we earn money by business or working and our 12th house says what will be our losses and up to what extent. > There are seven planets and two shadow planets or nodes. Sun or Surya is the king of all the planets who is also our father, Moon or Chandra is the queen of all the planets who is also our mother. Mars or Mangal is our defense minister or our physical strength, our younger siblings and our friends. Mercury or Budh is the Prince of the king and queen and is also our intelligence. Jupiter or Brihaspati is the teacher or Guru will show us our direction, give us knowledge or gyan and also show our prosperity. Â Venus or Shukra is our greed, lust our sexual relationships, spouse and Saturn or Sani is the servant who will

do all the work. Rahu & Ketu are the shadow planets who disguise themselves in the form in which house they sit or with whichever planet & house they sit. > Sun being king planet will do his task in 6 yrs, moon in 10 yrs, mars in 7 yrs, mercury in 17 yrs, Jupiter in 16 yrs, Venus in 20 yrs, Saturn in 19 yrs, Rahu in 18yrs & Ketu in 7 yrs. These are our maha dasha’s. > This is what Vedic astrology is all about. Our horoscope tells us what are our good times of life our bad times of our life and our sufferings. >  > Haresh Nathani> Cell +91 9867214103> Tele/Fax +91 22 24031469> E mail hareshgnathani@> Mumbai (India)> The author of this article is a professional Vedic Astrologer.>  > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +919867214103> Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ://in.groups. / search?query= chandra-adityaas

troremedies> http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies/database? method=reportRow s & tbl=1 & sortBy= 1 & sortDir= up> Â > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> heathermarie. hayes <heathermarie. hayes@>> > Friday, 1 May, 2009 9:11:21 PM> Is astrology a science or a religious myth? in which aspect?> > > > > > is there anyone that can answer me?> > >

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kaminay i have your written proofs in which you aksed 50 dollars

you dont know with in some months i am going to become lawyer

 

i will screw you in this way you will run all wround like a pig

 

 

tuu jaakay pahlay report ker saalaaayyy

 

 

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wrote:

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> asshole go and do the report

>

> i will show everbody that how you are evading tax policies by asking 50

dollars from clients

>

> idiot see who abuse first

>

> saalay tuu petaygaa nahin mareyga bhi

>

> sauar saalaa

>

> fraudia in the name of astrology

>

>

> you ask degrees from other persons of astrology what you know

>

> idiot harami

>

> saalay likh kooch batata hon tujhay main

>

> , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani "

<haresh1405@> wrote:

> >

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> > Anup Khanna <khannaanup32@>

> >

> > Monday, 11 May, 2009 4:55:37 PM

> > Re: Re: [ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Re: Is

astrology a science or a religious myth? in which aspect?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > abay randi ki aulaad haresh...

> >

> > i will fuck whole lady in your family....

> >

> > you are teaching astrology...

> >

> > some astrologers already said that you are fake astrologer

> >

> > you are the same astrologer who were laughing at divisional charts

> >

> > abay harami you are the same you are the same person who were laughing at

D-3 divisiional charts

> >

> > suar teri maaa randi thiii

> >

> > --- On Mon, 11/5/09, Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405 > wrote:

> >

> >

> > Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405 >

> > Re: [ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Re: Is

astrology a science or a religious myth? in which aspect?

> > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com

> > Cc:

> > Monday, 11 May, 2009, 10:48 AM

> >

> >

> > Mr AKK & Mr. Sannaat Kumar

> >

> > Their is no point in me debating with u people as this mail was not

addressed to u, it was replied to other member who had raised the question

> >

> > We all are aware u r keen in hvg the proof of the source of vedas. Well u

people are misinterpreting the vedas & are misguiding the people. What proof do

u want. When u were born did u ask any proof from ur parents that ur parents are

ur parents. When u had ur own children did u ask ur wifes any proof that the

child is ur own child.

> >

> > What kind of evidence u r asking. Mr. AKK is asking for qualifications of

knowing & learning vedas. the Lord has never said u need to qualify to learn

vedas. Even a sudra or a vasya who has love & faith for God is elligible to

learn & know vedas. Vedas are to be understood and encourage to people from its

learning. U people are misguiding the people and spreading the misconception.

It is mentioned in the ved puranas that some anti elements will dicourage &

misinterpret the vedas. U r the proof &  Ved Vyas has correctly mentioned in the

Puranas.

> >

> > Vedas has been given to us by the Rishis's & Acharya's to understand human

life & also how to live the human life, & burn all the bad karmas for which we

all r sufferring, how to burn them by following the laid principles in the

vedas. Bhagwat Geeta is basically a manual in how to effectively lead this human

birth, it is a ready reckockner manual to human body  & Srimad Bhagwatam gives

us all the Leela's performed by the Lord in his avtar as Sree Krishna. 

> >

> > Bhagwatam also describes all the atrocaties done by the demons like,

Hiranya, Hiranyakashpu, Ravan, Kumbh Karan, Kansa, Shreepal, but the Lord after

elliminating them had delivered them. U people do not have this fortune of

being elliminated by the Lord, as the Lord has already appeared as Chaitanya

Maha Prabhu over 500 yrs ago. Infact this Kalyug is a curse to all people who

misinterpret the puranas and misguide people

> >

> > We are inviting the wrong doings and the curse.

> >

> > If u cannot change urself even the Lord will be helpless. Pray to Lord to

give u some sadbhudhi

> >  

> > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER  CELL +919867214103

> > Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co.inhttp://in.groups. /

search?query= chandra-adityaas troremedies

> > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > http://in.groups. ..com/ group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies/database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=1 & sortBy=1 & sortDir=up

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com>

> > indian_astrology_ group_daily_ digest@grou ps.com

> > Sunday, 10 May, 2009 9:58:03 PM

> > [ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or a

religious myth? in which aspect?

> >

> >

> > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > Shri Haesh Nathani ji,

> > Namaskar!

> > U have said, " Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific results

based on placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve houses or

bhava’s in a horoscope. "

> >

> > Well, that is a good joke but it is a cruel one since it is at the cost of

the sanctity of the Vedas! This joke has been going on for that last several

centuries. As such, pl. coin some new joke now since people have become bored to

death by such joke being repeated time and again!

> >

> > I know u know it in your heart of hearts that the so called Vedic astrology

is actually the greatest fraud on the Vedas but u have no courage to say so

openly! Pl. do brush up your knowledge by going through Rotary.doc in the files

section

> > Regards,

> > A K Kaul

> > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani "

<haresh1405@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear heathermarie. hayes heathermarie. hayes@

> > >

> > >

> > > Pls read this article written by me.

> > >

> > > What Vedic Astrology is all about?

> > > Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific results based on

placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve houses or bhava’s in a

horoscope. In good old days Rishi Munni’s had divya gyan and complete

knowledge of the placement of all the planets through which they could predict

and tell everything about the past, present & future of an individual..

> > > When a person is born at a particular day, time and place, he is born with

his past, present & future. Everybody wants to know about his or her past,

present & what his future will be. Even the Demigods were keen to know the same

and when they approached Lord Brahma, Brahmaji replied that Demigods could know

about their past, present & future through Brahma and the manushya in this

universe will know the same through astrology. Our horoscope is our complete Bio

Data in reality.

> > > God gave us a human form or Shareer, but God said now a person in this

human form cannot live alone he needs a family to give him company, so God gave

him a family. Now God said that this person needs money/dhan in order to sustain

himself He gave him money/dhan. Now in order to grow he needs bothers/sisters/

friends/contacts /relatives, so God gave him younger siblings, friends,

relatives, contacts.

> > > Now with family, money, siblings, and friend’s man needs some place

where he can live, he needs some luxuries of life, so God gave him house &

luxuries. In good old days a bullock cart was a luxury & now in present days it

a two or four wheeler. Now when he has a house to live he needs intelligence and

children for the family to grow. God gave him intelligence and capability to

have children.

> > > Now when God gave us human form, money, family, siblings, luxuries,

intelligence, children God also wanted to ensure that if person has all the

comforts of life there will be no difference between hell and heaven so God gave

him sufferings in the form of disease and enemies. Now if a person has

sufferings he needs someone to look after him and he will also have some kind of

lust to enjoy the senses so he gave him a spouse to look after and support and

satisfy our lust.  God also gave us a certain life span or longevity.

> > > Now after getting all these things God gave us our destiny in the form of

fortune or bhagya and also gave us spiritual consciousness to remember God. Then

God said that manushya has to do some kind of karma or activity to sustain

oneself and the family, He gave us various ways of executing our karma by

engaging ourselves in working or doing business and that is how we earn money by

selecting the profession as either working for someonelse(service) or doing our

own profession. God also gave gave us some losses to be borne by us as whatever

we do is not 100% beneficial some part of it always goes as waste which is our

loss.

> > > In astrology we have twelve houses or bhava’s. From the first house

we see ourselves, from 2nd house we see our family and money/dhan, and from 3rd

house we see our siblings, friends, relatives, contacts. From the 4th house we

see our luxuries, from 5th house we see our intelligence and our children, from

6th house we see our enemies and our disease state, from 7th house our sexual

relationships and our spouse, from 8th house we see our longevity.

> > > Our 9th house shows how fortunate we are and our devotional service, from

10th house what kind of karma we will execute, from 11th house how will we earn

money by business or working and our 12th house says what will be our losses and

up to what extent.

> > > There are seven planets and two shadow planets or nodes.. Sun or Surya is

the king of all the planets who is also our father, Moon or Chandra is the queen

of all the planets who is also our mother. Mars or Mangal is our defense

minister or our physical strength, our younger siblings and our friends. Mercury

or Budh is the Prince of the king and queen and is also our intelligence.

Jupiter or Brihaspati is the teacher or Guru will show us our direction, give us

knowledge or gyan and also show our prosperity.  Venus or Shukra is our

greed, lust our sexual relationships, spouse and Saturn or Sani is the servant

who will do all the work. Rahu & Ketu are the shadow planets who disguise

themselves in the form in which house they sit or with whichever planet & house

they sit.

> > > Sun being king planet will do his task in 6 yrs,  moon in 10 yrs, mars

in 7 yrs, mercury in 17 yrs, Jupiter in 16 yrs, Venus in 20 yrs, Saturn in 19

yrs, Rahu in 18yrs & Ketu in 7 yrs. These are our maha dasha’s.

> > > This is what Vedic astrology is all about. Our horoscope tells us what are

our good times of life our bad times of our life and our sufferings.

> > >  

> > > Haresh Nathani

> > > Cell +91 9867214103

> > > Tele/Fax +91 22 24031469

> > > E mail hareshgnathani@

> > > Mumbai (India)

> > > The author of this article is a professional Vedic Astrologer.

> > >  

> > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER  CELL +919867214103

> > > Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ://in.groups. / search?query=

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> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > > heathermarie. hayes <heathermarie. hayes@>

> > >

> > > Friday, 1 May, 2009 9:11:21 PM

> > > Is astrology a science or a religious myth?

in which aspect?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > is there anyone that can answer me?

> > >

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