Fwd: Reference for Rashi's in Vedas

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WAVES-Vedic , Avinash Sathaye <sohum wrote:

 

After watching a long exchange between Sunil Bhattacharya (SB) and

Avatar Krishna Kaul(AKK),

I finally found something I can look into: an explicit reference to the

rAshis in RV.

 

The reference from SB was:

) Vrshabha Rashi in Rig Veda (8.93.1). There are more Rashis in Rig Veda.

 

2) Meena Rashi in Yajur Vedanga Jyotisha (Verse No. 5)

 

3) Brahma Rashi in the Mahabharata had Abhijit Nakshatra. At that time

the 28 Nakshatras were considered including Abhijt. Later on the

Abhijit is dropped and 27 Nakshatras were counted and the Rashi

containing Abhijit became the Makar Rashi.Any knowledgeable astrologer

should know the earlier location of the Abhijit in the ecliptic.

 

I checked the first reference and found the following:

The padapATha form in 8.93.1 gives (using ITRANS notation):

ut | gha | it | abhi | shruta.amabham | vRRiShabham | narya.aapasam |

astAram | eShi | sUryam || 1 ||

sAyaNa seems to say that sUkta refers to Indra and says: " indro.api

sUryAtmanA paThitaH " - Indra is counted among the 12 Suns.

 

His translation gives no hint that a rAshi is involved here, he consider

" bull " as a symbol of wealth.

Here is his paraphrase transformed in English with Sanskrit in parenthesis:

 

the best known form of wealth (shrutamagham sarvathA deyatvena

vikhyAtadhanam ata ), thus the Bull, (vRRiShabham ) - showering on the

people requesting (yAchamAnAnAm dhanasya varShitAram ), bes tower of

beneficial things (narya.aapasam)

etc.

I don't see any reasonable way to interpret the vRRiShabha as a rAshi.

If there is a different explanation, please enlighten us.

 

I tried to check the second reference. I could not find it.

I possess a handwritten transcript of the text from the Chaukhamba book

called yajuHshAstrIya jyotiSha and it contains 44 verses.

The one numbered 5 is

mAghashuklaprapannasya pauShakRRiShNa samApinaH |

yugasya pa~nchavarShasya kAlaj~nAnaM prachakShate ||

 

I did not find the " Meena " rAshi yet.

Somebody please give the verse and a convincing translation, unless it

is clear.

I do not possess the whole book, but if there is a convincing reference

in it, I can get the relevant copy.

 

 

I did not bother with mahabharata, since there is no concrete reference.

The reference does not even claim that Makara rAshi is mentioned there,

but only stipulates that any " knowledgeable astrologer " should know the

earliest location of Abhijit.

Since the references are to decide the date of introduction of rAshis,

" the knowledge " of an astrologer should be waived as partisan evidence.

 

Now, I partly understand why AKK kept on insisting a reference with a

translation(:-))

 

P.S. I have one request for people who engage in long drawn out debates.

Often, the messages and counter messages are all kept in the body and

the author's response is hard to find. It is also hard to sort out the

new arguments from the old.Please, quote only the relevant portions,

indicating if you have omitted parts . The interested reader can always

go back and review the messages from the past(:-))

 

 

 

 

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With Best Regards,

Avinash Sathaye

 

Web: www.msc.uky.edu/sohum

 

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