[Ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Is astrology a science or a religious myth? in which aspect?

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Shri Haresh Nathani ji,

Namaskar!

From yr post it appears that our Rishis had nothing else to do except to

propound predictive gimmicks that jyotishis call Vedic astrology these days!

However, in spite of requesting time and again, u have yet to quote even a

single mantra from any of the Vedas or the Vedanga Jyotisha etc. that talks of

Mesha, Vrsiha etc. rashis, leave alone predictive gimmicks!

Then again,u have yet to reply the point as to why u are following a so called

nirayana Rashichakra when all the Puranas talk of a so called Sayana

Rashichakra?

Unless u answer these points, u are only making a fool of yourself under the

impression that u are making a fool of others!

Dhanyavad.

A K Kaul

PS

Yr certain personal comments in the post are in a very bad taste! But then may

be that is the halmark of " Vedic astrologers " these days that they must abuse

anyone who tries to point out the adharma that is being commited in the name of

the Vedas and Vedic astrology! U must not forget that u can make fool of some

people for all the time, all the people for some time, but u cannot make a fool

of all the people for all the time! " Vedic astrologers " are under the

impression that they will be able to conitnue their pranks for an indefinite

number of years, but they are certainly mistaken!

AKK

 

, " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani "

<haresh1405 wrote:

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> Mr AKK & Mr. Sannaat Kumar

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> Their is no point in me debating with u people as this mail was not addressed

to u, it was replied to other member who had raised the question

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> We all are aware u r keen in hvg the proof of the source of vedas. Well u

people are misinterpreting the vedas & are misguiding the people. What proof do

u want. When u were born did u ask any proof from ur parents that ur parents are

ur parents. When u had ur own children did u ask ur wifes any proof that the

child is ur own child.

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> What kind of evidence u r asking. Mr. AKK is asking for qualifications of

knowing & learning vedas. the Lord has never said u need to qualify to learn

vedas. Even a sudra or a vasya who has love & faith for God is elligible to

learn & know vedas. Vedas are to be understood and encourage to people from its

learning. U people are misguiding the people and spreading the misconception.

It is mentioned in the ved puranas that some anti elements will dicourage &

misinterpret the vedas. U r the proof &  Ved Vyas has correctly mentioned in the

Puranas.

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> Vedas has been given to us by the Rishis's & Acharya's to understand human

life & also how to live the human life, & burn all the bad karmas for which we

all r sufferring, how to burn them by following the laid principles in the

vedas. Bhagwat Geeta is basically a manual in how to effectively lead this human

birth, it is a ready reckockner manual to human body  & Srimad Bhagwatam gives

us all the Leela's performed by the Lord in his avtar as Sree Krishna. 

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> Bhagwatam also describes all the atrocaties done by the demons like, Hiranya,

Hiranyakashpu, Ravan, Kumbh Karan, Kansa, Shreepal, but the Lord after

elliminating them had delivered them. U people do not have this fortune of

being elliminated by the Lord, as the Lord has already appeared as Chaitanya

Maha Prabhu over 500 yrs ago. Infact this Kalyug is a curse to all people who

misinterpret the puranas and misguide people

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> We are inviting the wrong doings and the curse.

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> If u cannot change urself even the Lord will be helpless. Pray to Lord to give

u some sadbhudhi

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> Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved

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> [ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or a

religious myth? in which aspect?

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> , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved@

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> Shri Haesh Nathani ji,

> Namaskar!

> U have said, " Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific results based

on placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve houses or bhava’s

in a horoscope. "

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> Well, that is a good joke but it is a cruel one since it is at the cost of the

sanctity of the Vedas! This joke has been going on for that last several

centuries. As such, pl. coin some new joke now since people have become bored to

death by such joke being repeated time and again!

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> I know u know it in your heart of hearts that the so called Vedic astrology is

actually the greatest fraud on the Vedas but u have no courage to say so openly!

Pl. do brush up your knowledge by going through Rotary.doc in the files section

> Regards,

> A K Kaul

> , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani "

<haresh1405@ > wrote:

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> > Dear heathermarie. hayes heathermarie. hayes@

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> > Pls read this article written by me.

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> > What Vedic Astrology is all about?

> > Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific results based on

placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve houses or bhava’s in a

horoscope. In good old days Rishi Munni’s had divya gyan and complete

knowledge of the placement of all the planets through which they could predict

and tell everything about the past, present & future of an individual.

> > When a person is born at a particular day, time and place, he is born with

his past, present & future. Everybody wants to know about his or her past,

present & what his future will be. Even the Demigods were keen to know the same

and when they approached Lord Brahma, Brahmaji replied that Demigods could know

about their past, present & future through Brahma and the manushya in this

universe will know the same through astrology. Our horoscope is our complete Bio

Data in reality.

> > God gave us a human form or Shareer, but God said now a person in this human

form cannot live alone he needs a family to give him company, so God gave him a

family. Now God said that this person needs money/dhan in order to sustain

himself He gave him money/dhan. Now in order to grow he needs bothers/sisters/

friends/contacts /relatives, so God gave him younger siblings, friends,

relatives, contacts.

> > Now with family, money, siblings, and friend’s man needs some place

where he can live, he needs some luxuries of life, so God gave him house &

luxuries. In good old days a bullock cart was a luxury & now in present days it

a two or four wheeler. Now when he has a house to live he needs intelligence and

children for the family to grow. God gave him intelligence and capability to

have children.

> > Now when God gave us human form, money, family, siblings, luxuries,

intelligence, children God also wanted to ensure that if person has all the

comforts of life there will be no difference between hell and heaven so God gave

him sufferings in the form of disease and enemies. Now if a person has

sufferings he needs someone to look after him and he will also have some kind of

lust to enjoy the senses so he gave him a spouse to look after and support and

satisfy our lust.  God also gave us a certain life span or longevity.

> > Now after getting all these things God gave us our destiny in the form of

fortune or bhagya and also gave us spiritual consciousness to remember God. Then

God said that manushya has to do some kind of karma or activity to sustain

oneself and the family, He gave us various ways of executing our karma by

engaging ourselves in working or doing business and that is how we earn money by

selecting the profession as either working for someonelse(service) or doing our

own profession. God also gave gave us some losses to be borne by us as whatever

we do is not 100% beneficial some part of it always goes as waste which is our

loss.

> > In astrology we have twelve houses or bhava’s. From the first house

we see ourselves, from 2nd house we see our family and money/dhan, and from 3rd

house we see our siblings, friends, relatives, contacts. From the 4th house we

see our luxuries, from 5th house we see our intelligence and our children, from

6th house we see our enemies and our disease state, from 7th house our sexual

relationships and our spouse, from 8th house we see our longevity.

> > Our 9th house shows how fortunate we are and our devotional service, from

10th house what kind of karma we will execute, from 11th house how will we earn

money by business or working and our 12th house says what will be our losses and

up to what extent.

> > There are seven planets and two shadow planets or nodes. Sun or Surya is the

king of all the planets who is also our father, Moon or Chandra is the queen of

all the planets who is also our mother. Mars or Mangal is our defense minister

or our physical strength, our younger siblings and our friends. Mercury or Budh

is the Prince of the king and queen and is also our intelligence. Jupiter or

Brihaspati is the teacher or Guru will show us our direction, give us knowledge

or gyan and also show our prosperity.  Venus or Shukra is our greed, lust our

sexual relationships, spouse and Saturn or Sani is the servant who will do all

the work. Rahu & Ketu are the shadow planets who disguise themselves in the form

in which house they sit or with whichever planet & house they sit.

> > Sun being king planet will do his task in 6 yrs,  moon in 10 yrs, mars in

7 yrs, mercury in 17 yrs, Jupiter in 16 yrs, Venus in 20 yrs, Saturn in 19 yrs,

Rahu in 18yrs & Ketu in 7 yrs. These are our maha dasha’s.

> > This is what Vedic astrology is all about. Our horoscope tells us what are

our good times of life our bad times of our life and our sufferings.

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> > Haresh Nathani

> > Cell +91 9867214103

> > Tele/Fax +91 22 24031469

> > E mail hareshgnathani@

> > Mumbai (India)

> > The author of this article is a professional Vedic Astrologer.

> >  

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> > Is astrology a science or a religious myth?

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