[Ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Americanised(Westernised) Ramayana

July 8, 2009

Dear Pandey ji,

YOU have posted nice dialogue, it is good to read at.

The calender making and its reform are serious matters

and decided on scientific basis.

A civil and seasonal calender has to be based on tropical

co-ordinates. This was recognised since Vadic era.

The predictive astrology needed different co-ordinates and tools:

!. Since ancient days , the sages observed, recognised and evolved various stars

and constellations .They had also recorded the effects of transit of planets in

constellations.

These are given in vast independent literature still available , which is

called Mahurta shastra.

These references are also extensively quoted in Vedas' , Puranas' etc.

2. After Mahabharata era , Panchag was come into existence and in extensive use

..( In those days

it was not possible to pin-point the location of V.E.Point on ecliptic.)

Panchang has five limbs:

a. Vara -week days- In Indian Astrology , week day starts from Sun rise.Sun

rise was calculated

with help of charantra and velantra.

Knowledge of vara prolongs life as it gives life and energy.

b. Tithi -As all of us know it is angular difference in the arc of Moon and

Sun

Knowledge of tithi brings prosperity as it strengthen marital relationship ,

passion and love life.

c. KARAN - Karan represent half of the TITHI.It has a big importance as it

controls the Karma.

Knowledge of karna leads to success in all endeavours as it indicates

activity,work in society,and achievements,

d. Nakshatra - As Moon takes a round of the earth in about 27.32 days , they

have divided

Zodiac in 27 equal parts each of 13deg 20 min. They had also

visualised(or introduced )

28th Nakshatra , but without disturbing basic division of 27

Nakshatras-28th the ancient nakshatra

carved out of last pada of Uttarasadha and 1st portion of 53'20 " of

Sarvan.Taittirya Samhita 4.4.10 gives the names of Naksharas . We are using

the same names without any deviation.

Similarly , Richika 3.11.1 of Taittrya Brahman contains all the names like

Sun .Moon, Nakshatra,

Samvatsar, Ritu ,Masa,Arthmasa,Ahoratri, Purnamasi ,Astami , Amavasya etc.It

also says that division of Nakshatra is based on Moon.

Nakshatra was used as one limb of Panchang since time immemorial.Varaha

Mihiri in Surya siddhanta

also indicates the commencing point of each Nakshatra from its yogatara,

Yogatara of nakshatra Chitra i.e star chitra is exactly in the middle of

this nakshatra and as such

1st point of sidereal zodiac is commences opposite to star Chitra.This fact

was also recognised by Calender Committee , Most of Panchang makers agree

with this.

Knowledge of nakshatra removes sins as it is indicator of disease, death .

bodily ailments.

e, YOGA - This is the sum of the longitudes of Sun and Moon (Atma + Manha =

Jeevha) ,They are also

27 in number and 1st Yoga- Visvakumbha commences from star Pushya.This is

the reason that

there is a Puranic lore that Jupiter (Jeeva) was born in Pushya.

Knowledge of yoga gives immunity from diseases as it is indicator of general

relationships, the company one keeps , friendship circle.

Next step was to develop branch known as Jataka .In this we require a birth

chart and its analysis.

BPHS PROVIDES US UNIQUE TECHNIQUES TO ANALYSE A BIRTH NATIVITIES . It is

unfortunate

that some savants (though in poor minority ) are not able to see its merits.

They are more interested in

chronological order than the contents. Such persons wish to reform others

without first reforming themselves.

No person can appreciate the depth of sidereal astrology without understanding

Mahurta shastra.

Vikram Samvats-sar calender is totally based on astronomical norms and

completely suitable

and meets the requirements of our ancient astrology which is developed in last

5000 years.

The present calender is in continuous use for over 2000 years.

No one calender can meet all the requirement of society,as such the present

panchangs are amalgamation

of many calenders meets the requirement of all division of society.As an example

you pick up Martand Panchang,

it gives all necessary information on sidereal , tropical as well as other

calender. one can pick up information according to its need.

Regards,

G.K.GOEL

Ph: 09350311433

Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

NEW DELHI-110 076

INDIA

________________________________

Prashant Pandey <praspandey

indian_astrology_group_daily_digest

Tuesday, 7 July, 2009 10:02:48 PM

[ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Americanised(Westernised) Ramayana

HinduCalendar, " ramkileela " <ramkileela@ ...> wrote:

Americanised Ramayan

A young second generation Indian in the US was asked by his mother to

explain the significance of " Diwali " to his younger brother, this is

how he went about it...

" So, like this dude had, like, a big cool kingdom and people liked

him. But, like, his step-mom, or something, was kind of a bitch, and

she forced her husband to, like, send this cool-dude, he was Ram, to

some national forest or something... Since he was going, for like,

something like more than 10 years or so... he decided to get his wife

and his bro along... you know...so that they could all chill out

together.. But Dude, the forest was reeeeal scary shit... really

man...they had monkeys and devil s and shit like that. But this dude,

Ram, kicked with darts and bows and arrows... so it was fine.

But then some bad gangsta boys, some jerk called Ravan, picks up his

babe (Sita) and lures her away to his hood. And boy, was our man, and

also his bro, Laxman, pissed... all the gods were with him... So

anyways, you don't mess with gods. So, Ram, and his bro get an army of

monkeys... Dude, don't ask me how they trained the damn monkeys...

just go along with me, ok...

So, Ram, Lax and their monkeys whip this gangsta's ass in his own

hood... Anyways, by this time, their time's up in the forest... and

anyways... it gets kinda boring, you know... no TV or malls or shit

like that. So,they decided to hitch a ride back home... and when the

people realize that our dude, his bro and the wife are back home...

they thought, well, you know, at least they deserve something nice...

and they didn't have any bars or clubs in those days... so they

couldn't take them out for a drink, so they, like, decided to smoke

and shit... and since they also had some lamps, they lit the lamps

also...so it was pretty cooool... you know with all those

fireworks... . Really, they even had some local band play along with

the fireworks... and you know, what, dude, that was the very first, no

kidding.., thatwas the very first music-synchronized fireworks... you

know, like the 4th of July stuff, but just, more cooler and stuff, you

know. And, so dude,

that was how, like, this festival started. "

The mother fainted..

--- End forwarded message ---

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July 10, 2009

Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved wrote:

Shri Gopal Goel ji,

Namaskar!

I am really glad to hear from an astrologer of repute like you that, " A civil

and seasonal calender has to be based on tropical

co-ordinates. This was recognised since Vadic era. "

Even if we agree, without any rhyme or reasons to your next statement that, " The

predictive astrology needed different co-ordinates and tools " , it means that

calendar making and predictive gimmicks are entirely two different things. As

such, would you kindly make an appeal to all the " Vedic " , " non-Vedic " and even

" Anti-Vedic " astrologers not to meddle with calendar making and just concentrate

on predictive gimmicks! I hope, against hope, that you will definitely make

such an appeal, and I further hope, again against hope, that predictive

astrologers will leave calendar making to real Vedic scholars and scientists

instead of poking their " not-too-clean " noses into such affairs.

In other words, they, I mean the jyotishis, including you, will celebrate Makar

Sankranti on the shortest day of the year and Mesha Sankranti on the Venal

Exuinox day and so on, whatever or whchever Rashichakra they, including you, use

for their predictive gimmicks.

With regrads,

A K Kaul

Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest , Gopal Goel

<gkgoel1937@> wrote:

>

> Dear Pandey ji,

> YOU have posted nice dialogue, it is good to read at.

> The calender making and its reform are serious matters

> and decided on scientific basis.

> A civil and seasonal calender has to be based on tropical

> co-ordinates. This was recognised since Vadic era.

> The predictive astrology needed different co-ordinates and tools:

> !. Since ancient days , the sages observed, recognised and evolved various

stars

> and constellations .They had also recorded the effects of transit of planets

in constellations.

> These are given in vast independent literature still available , which is

called Mahurta shastra.

> These references are also extensively quoted in Vedas' , Puranas' etc.

> 2. After Mahabharata era , Panchag was come into existence and in extensive

use .( In those days

> it was not possible to pin-point the location of V.E.Point on ecliptic.)

> Panchang has five limbs:

>

> a. Vara -week days- In Indian Astrology , week day starts from Sun rise.Sun

rise was calculated

> with help of charantra and velantra.

> Knowledge of vara prolongs life as it gives life and energy.

> b. Tithi -As all of us know it is angular difference in the arc of Moon

and Sun

> Knowledge of tithi brings prosperity as it strengthen marital relationship ,

passion and love life.

> c. KARAN - Karan represent half of the TITHI.It has a big importance as it

controls the Karma.

> Knowledge of karna leads to success in all endeavours as it indicates

activity,work in society,and achievements,

> d. Nakshatra - As Moon takes a round of the earth in about 27.32 days ,

they have divided

> Zodiac in 27 equal parts each of 13deg 20 min. They had also

visualised(or introduced )

> 28th Nakshatra , but without disturbing basic division of 27

Nakshatras-28th the ancient nakshatra

> carved out of last pada of Uttarasadha and 1st portion of 53'20 " of

Sarvan.Taittirya Samhita 4.4.10 gives the names of Naksharas . We are using

the same names without any deviation.

> Similarly , Richika 3.11.1 of Taittrya Brahman contains all the names like

Sun .Moon, Nakshatra,

> Samvatsar, Ritu ,Masa,Arthmasa,Ahoratri, Purnamasi ,Astami , Amavasya

etc.It also says that division of Nakshatra is based on Moon.

> Nakshatra was used as one limb of Panchang since time immemorial.Varaha

Mihiri in Surya siddhanta

> also indicates the commencing point of each Nakshatra from its yogatara,

> Yogatara of nakshatra Chitra i.e star chitra is exactly in the middle of

this nakshatra and as such

> 1st point of sidereal zodiac is commences opposite to star Chitra.This fact

was also recognised by Calender Committee , Most of Panchang makers agree

with this.

> Knowledge of nakshatra removes sins as it is indicator of disease, death .

bodily ailments.

> e, YOGA - This is the sum of the longitudes of Sun and Moon (Atma + Manha =

Jeevha) ,They are also

> 27 in number and 1st Yoga- Visvakumbha commences from star Pushya.This is

the reason that

> there is a Puranic lore that Jupiter (Jeeva) was born in Pushya.

> Knowledge of yoga gives immunity from diseases as it is indicator of general

relationships, the company one keeps , friendship circle.

> Next step was to develop branch known as Jataka .In this we require a birth

chart and its analysis.

> BPHS PROVIDES US UNIQUE TECHNIQUES TO ANALYSE A BIRTH NATIVITIES . It is

unfortunate

> that some savants (though in poor minority ) are not able to see its merits.

They are more interested in

> chronological order than the contents. Such persons wish to reform others

without first reforming themselves.

> No person can appreciate the depth of sidereal astrology without understanding

Mahurta shastra.

> Vikram Samvats-sar calender is totally based on astronomical norms and

completely suitable

> and meets the requirements of our ancient astrology which is developed in last

5000 years.

> The present calender is in continuous use for over 2000 years.

> No one calender can meet all the requirement of society,as such the present

panchangs are amalgamation

> of many calenders meets the requirement of all division of society.As an

example you pick up Martand Panchang,

> it gives all necessary information on sidereal , tropical as well as other

calender. one can pick up information according to its need.

> Regards,

>

> G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

>

> ________________________________

> Prashant Pandey <praspandey@>

> indian_astrology_group_daily_digest

> Tuesday, 7 July, 2009 10:02:48 PM

> [ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Americanised(Westernised) Ramayana

>

> HinduCalendar, " ramkileela " <ramkileela@ ...> wrote:

>

> Americanised Ramayan

>

> A young second generation Indian in the US was asked by his mother to

> explain the significance of " Diwali " to his younger brother, this is

> how he went about it...

>

> " So, like this dude had, like, a big cool kingdom and people liked

> him. But, like, his step-mom, or something, was kind of a bitch, and

> she forced her husband to, like, send this cool-dude, he was Ram, to

> some national forest or something... Since he was going, for like,

> something like more than 10 years or so... he decided to get his wife

> and his bro along... you know...so that they could all chill out

> together.. But Dude, the forest was reeeeal scary shit... really

> man...they had monkeys and devil s and shit like that. But this dude,

> Ram, kicked with darts and bows and arrows... so it was fine.

>

> But then some bad gangsta boys, some jerk called Ravan, picks up his

> babe (Sita) and lures her away to his hood. And boy, was our man, and

> also his bro, Laxman, pissed... all the gods were with him... So

> anyways, you don't mess with gods. So, Ram, and his bro get an army of

> monkeys... Dude, don't ask me how they trained the damn monkeys...

> just go along with me, ok...

>

> So, Ram, Lax and their monkeys whip this gangsta's ass in his own

> hood... Anyways, by this time, their time's up in the forest... and

> anyways... it gets kinda boring, you know... no TV or malls or shit

> like that. So,they decided to hitch a ride back home... and when the

> people realize that our dude, his bro and the wife are back home...

> they thought, well, you know, at least they deserve something nice...

> and they didn't have any bars or clubs in those days... so they

> couldn't take them out for a drink, so they, like, decided to smoke

> and shit... and since they also had some lamps, they lit the lamps

> also...so it was pretty cooool... you know with all those

> fireworks... . Really, they even had some local band play along with

> the fireworks... and you know, what, dude, that was the very first, no

> kidding.., thatwas the very first music-synchronized fireworks... you

> know, like the 4th of July stuff, but just, more cooler and stuff, you

> know. And, so dude,

> that was how, like, this festival started. "

>

> The mother fainted..

>

> --- End forwarded message ---

>

> Looking for local information? Find it on Local

http://in.local./

>

--- End forwarded message ---

July 10, 2009

Dear Kaul ji ,

It is unfortunate that a simple fact is not clear to you that tropical signs

were named on the basis of PRE -EXISTING SIDEREAL SIGNS.

You are un-necessarily trying to name the day of WINTER SOLSTICE as

Tropical Makar sankranti . In Vadic era they had given importance to day

of occurrence of winter solstice but it was not called as day of Makar

sankranti ,

which was always linked with sidereal zodiac based on the division of

27nakshatras',

Best regards,

G.K.GOEL

Ph: 09350311433

Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

NEW DELHI-110 076

INDIA

________________________________

Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved

Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest

Friday, 10 July, 2009 1:27:43 PM

Re: [ind. & West.. Astrology] Fwd: Americanised(Westernised) Ramayana

Shri Gopal Goel ji,

Namaskar!

I am really glad to hear from an astrologer of repute like you that, " A civil

and seasonal calender has to be based on tropical

co-ordinates. This was recognised since Vadic era. "

Even if we agree, without any rhyme or reasons to your next statement that, " The

predictive astrology needed different co-ordinates and tools " , it means that

calendar making and predictive gimmicks are entirely two different things. As

such, would you kindly make an appeal to all the " Vedic " , " non-Vedic " and even

" Anti-Vedic " astrologers not to meddle with calendar making and just concentrate

on predictive gimmicks! I hope, against hope, that you will definitely make such

an appeal, and I further hope, again against hope, that predictive astrologers

will leave calendar making to real Vedic scholars and scientists instead of

poking their " not-too-clean " noses into such affairs..

In other words, they, I mean the jyotishis, including you, will celebrate Makar

Sankranti on the shortest day of the year and Mesha Sankranti on the Venal

Exuinox day and so on, whatever or whchever Rashichakra they, including you, use

for their predictive gimmicks.

With regrads,

A K Kaul

Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, Gopal Goel

<gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Pandey ji,

> YOU have posted nice dialogue, it is good to read at.

> The calender making and its reform are serious matters

> and decided on scientific basis.

> A civil and seasonal calender has to be based on tropical

> co-ordinates. This was recognised since Vadic era.

> The predictive astrology needed different co-ordinates and tools:

> !. Since ancient days , the sages observed, recognised and evolved various

stars

> and constellations .They had also recorded the effects of transit of planets

in constellations.

> These are given in vast independent literature still available , which is

called Mahurta shastra.

> These references are also extensively quoted in Vedas' , Puranas' etc.

> 2. After Mahabharata era , Panchag was come into existence and in extensive

use .( In those days

> it was not possible to pin-point the location of V.E.Point on ecliptic.)

> Panchang has five limbs:

>

> a. Vara -week days- In Indian Astrology , week day starts from Sun rise.Sun

rise was calculated

> with help of charantra and velantra.

> Knowledge of vara prolongs life as it gives life and energy.

> b. Tithi -As all of us know it is angular difference in the arc of Moon

and Sun

> Knowledge of tithi brings prosperity as it strengthen marital relationship ,

passion and love life.

> c. KARAN - Karan represent half of the TITHI.It has a big importance as it

controls the Karma.

> Knowledge of karna leads to success in all endeavours as it indicates

activity,work in society,and achievements,

> d. Nakshatra - As Moon takes a round of the earth in about 27.32 days ,

they have divided

> Zodiac in 27 equal parts each of 13deg 20 min. They had also

visualised(or introduced )

> 28th Nakshatra , but without disturbing basic division of 27

Nakshatras-28th the ancient nakshatra

> carved out of last pada of Uttarasadha and 1st portion of 53'20 " of

Sarvan.Taittirya Samhita 4.4.10 gives the names of Naksharas . We are using

the same names without any deviation.

> Similarly , Richika 3.11.1 of Taittrya Brahman contains all the names like

Sun .Moon, Nakshatra,

> Samvatsar, Ritu ,Masa,Arthmasa, Ahoratri, Purnamasi ,Astami , Amavasya

etc.It also says that division of Nakshatra is based on Moon.

> Nakshatra was used as one limb of Panchang since time immemorial.Varaha

Mihiri in Surya siddhanta

> also indicates the commencing point of each Nakshatra from its yogatara,

> Yogatara of nakshatra Chitra i..e star chitra is exactly in the middle of

this nakshatra and as such

> 1st point of sidereal zodiac is commences opposite to star Chitra.This fact

was also recognised by Calender Committee , Most of Panchang makers agree

with this.

> Knowledge of nakshatra removes sins as it is indicator of disease, death .

bodily ailments.

> e, YOGA - This is the sum of the longitudes of Sun and Moon (Atma + Manha =

Jeevha) ,They are also

> 27 in number and 1st Yoga- Visvakumbha commences from star Pushya.This is

the reason that

> there is a Puranic lore that Jupiter (Jeeva) was born in Pushya.

> Knowledge of yoga gives immunity from diseases as it is indicator of general

relationships, the company one keeps , friendship circle.

> Next step was to develop branch known as Jataka .In this we require a birth

chart and its analysis.

> BPHS PROVIDES US UNIQUE TECHNIQUES TO ANALYSE A BIRTH NATIVITIES . It is

unfortunate

> that some savants (though in poor minority ) are not able to see its merits.

They are more interested in

> chronological order than the contents. Such persons wish to reform others

without first reforming themselves.

> No person can appreciate the depth of sidereal astrology without understanding

Mahurta shastra.

> Vikram Samvats-sar calender is totally based on astronomical norms and

completely suitable

> and meets the requirements of our ancient astrology which is developed in last

5000 years.

> The present calender is in continuous use for over 2000 years.

> No one calender can meet all the requirement of society,as such the present

panchangs are amalgamation

> of many calenders meets the requirement of all division of society.As an

example you pick up Martand Panchang,

> it gives all necessary information on sidereal , tropical as well as other

calender. one can pick up information according to its need.

> Regards,

>

> G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...>

> indian_astrology_ group_daily_ digest@grou ps.com

> Tuesday, 7 July, 2009 10:02:48 PM

> [ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Americanised( Westernised) Ramayana