Fwd: [Ind. & West. Astrology] Astrology and Astronomy two different subjects

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HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved

wrote:

 

Shri Hari Malla ji,

Namastey!

<No, I do not think ayanamsa is a paper>

You are right! Ayanamsha cannot be a " paper " since a piece of paper has at

least some substance whereas Ayanamsha is the will-o'-the wisp. If Acharya

Shankar had been around these days, he would certainly have quoted " ayanamsha "

as a real example of Maya--which exists but does not exist!

I hope you know by now that ayanamsha is a myth created by jyotishis, and a myth

being a myth, can never exist whereas " Vedic astrologers " cannot make any

correct (sic!) predictions without that myth! And that is real Maya---which does

not exist in reality but without which the universe itself cannot justify its

existence!

As such, you must keep up your efforts in making " ayanamsha-maya " a permanent

fixture on the Hindu ethos! If you succeed in your efforts, which I am

doubtful, jyotishis will worship you like the Hindus worship Aadi Shankara!

These jyotishis may even bestow on you an honorary title of " twenty-first

century Shankara of Jyotisha " which they have not bestowed on anyone till date.

With regards,

A K Kaul

HinduCalendar , " harimalla@ " <harimalla@> wrote:

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> Dear Darshaney lokeshji,

> No, I do not think ayanamsa is a paper, but I do know that if mesh sankranti

is shifted by 30 degrees,the new ayanamsa becomes only -6 degrees, which is a

very much acceptable value, since it will give a much better accuracy to our

festivals.Shifting the name of the rashi is allowed by the sayan or the tropical

method.The negative value of ayanamsa is also allowed even by Surya

sidhanta.More so, since the related fullmoon fluctuates both plus and minus 15

degrees from the respective sankrantis, giving undisputed seasonal value to the

lunar tithi as well.The only purpose of addhimas is to give this seasonal value

to the luanr tithis.

> Thus it is perfectly Ok to call Chaitra as Vaisakh, so we maintain our dharma

shastras as it is.Then both our jyotish and dharma shastras will again be

correct, when the new epochal nirayan makar sankranti again becomes the

authentic uttarayan.

> This compromise is the best way to satisfy our prevalent dharma shastra, whose

festivals are celebrated by the nirayan sankrantis.Do not doubt it. This was the

method in Vedanga Jyotish too.so even if it takes some time,it is all the

better, since we will surely succeed one day.Your positive tone is quite

laudable.Thank you,

> Regards,

> Hari Malla

>

> HinduCalendar , darshaney lokesh <darshaneylokesh@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant Pandey ji, Namastey.

> >                Of course, to keep up the spirit, it is beter to  maintain

optimisticaly and positively.Some times and in view of the some mails

> > Delhi seems still distantive ( . . .lagata hai ki delhi abhi kafi door

hai.).

> >                 Harimalla ji thinks ayanamsha like a paper that can be

folded

> > any way to suit the size of the pocket. He is, confidently, suggesting

members to accept the calendar in as it is form by changing, simply, the name of

the Chaitra as Baisakh. It appears that by calling a 'Bhediya'

> > (Wolf) as 'Bhed' (Sheep) he plans to be free from the fair of the wolf.He

feels no problem in accepting  ayanamsha suitably and within the limitations of

15 degree and for that he advises us to accept such changes in future or

whenever needed. In my thnking, he asks us- " Hawa lene ke liye hath ke pankhe ko

ek position men sthir karke gardun ko jhulao " We are definitely in a very hard

situation because ' Beeran e gulistan karne ko ek hi ullu kafi hai, anjame

gulistan kya hoga - har shakh pe ullu baitha hai. Kya kahun! kabhi kabhi to

likhne ka nahin, kuchh bhi na likhne ka man karta hai. some times for hours

together, I  meditate on open sky. There is only one thought that croses my mind

again again and that is- " Gum ki poochho to mera bus yahi gum tha, kashti meri

wahan dubi jahan pani bahut kam tha. "

> >              Alam ati vistaren!

> >                                                                          

Darshaney Lokesh

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> > Prashant Pandey <praspandey@>

> > Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest

> > Monday, 27 July, 2009 7:17:50 PM

> > [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: Astrology and Astronomy two different

subjects

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> > Dear Shri Lokeshji,

> >

> > By our concerted efforts we have to spread the truth.

> >

> > I appreciate the work at grass route level, which is very much needed.There

are many hard truths which ppl doesnt know, slowly-slowly through discussions

those will surface on this and other forums.

> >

> > Regs,

> > Prashant Pandey

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> > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, darshaney

lokesh <darshaneylokesh@ ...> wrote:

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> > > Dear Sushil ji, Namastey.

> > > ??????????? Till a few weeks back you were of the totaly different

opinion. How did you come to that change? Please let know since the same may be

good in the interest of all. Is it not that you have realised difficulties in

favouring present astrology with the support of factful nakshtras etc? Thanking

you, in advance for sharing your expiriences.

> > > ???????????? ????????? ????????? ????????? ????????? ????????? ?????????

????????? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? Darshaney Lokesh

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> > > --- On Fri, 24/7/09, Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...> wrote:

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> > > Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...>

> > > [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: Astrology and Astronomy two

different subjects

> > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com

> > > Friday, 24 July, 2009, 11:38 PM

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> > > Dear Shri Sushilji,

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> > > Namaskar!

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> > > Your subject of the mail is really nice ie " Astrology and Astronomy two

different subjects " .

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> > > And your last line of the mail is also really very interesting ie " Sorry

to say that we have to coose one among science and astrology " .

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> > > Please also write same thing in some national News-Paper of Delhi

edition.The same thing i want to spread but nobody understands. But now i think

after having answers of all things which are related to astrology, i will have

to take verification from 4-5 ambassodrs of NASA then i will put all things to

read very free to all ppl on internet.

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> > > Our Shri K N Raoji also says same and our New very influential Internet

Guru Shri Sanjay Rath(Very famous between Ladies and Gals, basically he is

Kanaiyah(Gopal, Nandlal), he says i am roadside Goon) also holds same view that

science, astronomy should not be mixed up with astrology.

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> > > I also think same!!!

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> > > Regs,

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> > > Prashant Pandey

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> > > PS:- I am looking forward for the same article in any News-Paper ie

" Astrology and Astronomy two different subjects " and " Sorry to say that we have

to coose one among science and astrology " .

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> > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com,

" sushilkumar. singh69 " <astrosushil@ ...> wrote:

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> > > > I saw that few astrologers said that solar eclipse was an astrological

phenomenon.i do agree with them.but they should choose themselves either a

physicist or an astrologer.if they are astrologers then they can not laugh on

debilitation or exaltation of MOON.our great saints told about

" grahana " {eclipses} .

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> > > > The whole indian astrology believes in Rahu and Ketu.i have been also a

science student.but when i am an astrologer i have to follow the rules of our

Great Astrologers like PARASHARA.because we have had to predict on the basis of

those rules which were given by these astrologers.

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> > > > Many of successfull predictions were done on the basis of eclipses.as

during " mahabharata " period.

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> > > > If some one raises the credibility questions about authenticity of great

epics like " RAMAYANA " and " MAHABHARATA " because of lack of historical

evidences,then they have no right to call themselves " ASTROLOGERS " .because

still we have no proof how does astrology woeks.but we have enough proof that

this works.

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> > > > Yes " western astrology " does not believe in RAHU AND KETU.then may i

know that how they predict.yes they also use NEPTUNE and PLATO.ok but there are

many planets yet to be searched.does western astyrology believes that they nust

have been giving their impact on us.but when we have not even invented them HOW

THEY PREDICT ON THE BASIS OF THEM WHOM THEY ARE NOT EVEN AWARE.

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> > > > But " INDIAN ASTROLOGY " is able enough to predict on the basis of only

nine planets sice decades and those have gone correct,how?

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> > > > Actually these were the concepts based on the experiences of our great

saints .and on the bsis of these 9 planets,dashas, and transits they used to

give prediction not behaved like a psychologist as western astrology does.

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> > > > Sorry to say that we have to coose one among science and astrology

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> > > > Regards,

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> > > > SUSHIL KUMAR SINGH

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> > > > Blog:www.astrosushi l.blogspot. com

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