Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Shri Hari Mallaji, Jai Shri Ram! <Let us first finalise what was the vedic system wether it was sayan, nirayan or coordinated.> There is a joke about the famous fable of Laila-Majnu! A gentleman narrated the story of their love affiar which every body heard with rapt attention. In the end, a drunkard got upand said, "I enjoyed the story very much. But you have not told us as to what relation Laila had with Majnu". It is a similar case with you. You claim to read everything carefully about the Vedic calendar, but are as yet to grasp the fundamental fact the curse (or curses!) known as sayana and nirayana (or even coordinated!) is/are applicable only to NON-EXISTENT DIVISIONS known as Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis---or Aries, Taurus etc. astrological signs----and neither to seasonal year nor to seasons nor to seasonal months nor even to lunar synodic months etc. etc. And as informed hundreds of times, except for a "sayana tapasvini" and a "nirayana parokhsya professor", nobody has been able to decipher these accursed Rashis in any of the Vedas or the Vedanga Jyotisha or Atharva Jyotisha or even Atharva-Veda parishishta! Even that "tapasvini" and "parokshya preofessor" have done it only either in their "samadhi" or in their "parokshya somnambular state"! Similarly except for the owner of an Indian-astrology-group nobody has been able to stomach the fact that the Rashi shloka in the Vedanga Jyotisha is not spurious! A parokshya professor is parroting "his master's voice" about the VJ Rashi mantra time and again, but he is actually losing his own credibility by doing so! So when the curse known as Mesha etc. rashis was not prevailing in India till the time of Maya the mlechha's Surya Sidhanta, how can you talk of the Vedic calendar being sayana or nirayana or even coordinated! Vedic calendar comprised Uttarayana, Dakshinayana etc four cardinal points; Shishira, Vasanta etc. six ritus, Tapas, Tapasya etc.12 solar months and Magha, Phalguna etc.12/13 lunar months besides Krittika, Rohini etc. nakshatras! During the time of the Vedanga Jyotisha, the solar year started with Uttarayana-cum-solar Tapas, when the day was the shortest! Lunar months of Magha, Phalguna etc. followed the same, with the first New Moon after Uttarayana being known as Magha. Sometimes both the phenomena viz. the Uttarayana and the New Moon coincided and that was the start of a five year new yuga. Vedic nakshatras started, most probably, from the nakshatra where the Vernal equinox was located in the Vedic period. That is why we had it starting from Krittikas in the Yajurveda and the Vedanga Jyotisha. We have also references in the Mahabharata that the nakshatra-chakra started from Shravana (Shravanaadini rikkshyani)! But the riddle that has not been solved till date is as to wherefrom the Krittika or Shravana etc. nakshatras started and where did they end! For example, did the Krittika nakshatra start when the Vernal Equinox was in exact conjunction the Alcyone (Eta Tauri) or some other star or was it when that star was in the middle of particular division, which means that Krittika nakshatra started much before the Vernal Equinox being in exact conjunction with that star. What was the ending point of Krittika or Shravana etc. It could not have been an arbitrary equal division, in spite of the miserable claims of "Vedic astrologers". There had to be some logic as to why a particular nakshatra was having that nomenclature. Was it that some star clusters resembled "hasta" and that is why it was known as "hasta" or was it that there was some other reasons behind the same. If it was the former, it could never be an equal division one "shape" cannot be equal to another! Then the most irritating point is as to what relation did the stars of similar names, which are known as Junction stars these days, have with the actual nakshatras! It is doubtful that at least Chitra (Spica---Alpha Virginis) and Svati (Arctrus---Alpha Bootis) Stars could have had any relation with the actual nakshatra divisions of those names since they are away by less than a degree from one another, whereas Swati and Vishakha (Alpha Librae) are away by about 21 degrees from one another. How can it be that type an arbitrary and illogical and unscientific division? Further Ashvini division starts before ten degrees of Ashvnini (Sheratan---Beta Arietis) Star---even nirayana division---but Mula division starts with just Mula nakshatra (Schaula---Lambda Scorpii) Star, according to "Lahiri Vedic astrologers" themselves! According to "Muladhara Vedic astrologers", the story is somewhat different and still more different is it in the case of "Ramana Vedic astrologers". And nakshatras are an important part of the Vedic lore calendar for muhurtas etc.. As such, pl. leave the niradhara nirayana and sayana mess to "Vedic astrologers" and let them go on fighting among themselves to prove the "accuracy" of a particular rashichakra vis-a-vis their most accurate prediction. Pl. try to find some real solutions of the nakshatra problems and start celebrating the festivals in real Vedic months like Madhu-cum-Chaitra etc. instead of Lahiri or Ramana or even Harimalla months! <Let us know our goal first.> I hope you know it now. <Then we can know the truth we are searching in a better way and give importance to first thing first> Pl. set your priorities right now! Jai Shri Ram. A K Kaul HinduCalendar , "hari" <harimalla wrote:Dear shri Kaulji,Jaya shri Ram!May I request you to kindly talk on the past vedic calendar system and alsocalendar reform as done in the past. Let us know our goal first.Then we can knowthe truth we are searching in a better way and give importance to first thingfirst.Let us first finalise what was the vedic system wether it was sayan , nirayan orcoordinated. After we agree upon that we can search for the solutions, possiblyin a joint manner.If there is any other way to meet the vedic requirements thanthe method I have proposed, It is perfectly OK. So my first question is 'Do youagree that the vedic system was coordinative rather than sayan or nirayan?' ifyou agree to it we will proceed further, if you think otherwise,let us find whatwas the system they were following? Thank you andRegards,Hari MallaHinduCalendar , "Krishen" <jyotirved wrote:>>> Shri Hari Malla ji,> Jai Shri Ram!>> < Here you are completely in the dark! Sorry, but when you know that> makar sankranti is celebrated on the nirayan date every year,how have> you conjured up this fanstastic concept? Why are you blind to the> practice? Or do you think they have been mislead in the middle ages? if> so then is there any proof of this sudden change?>>> I suggest you keep up your crusade for a so called nirayana rashichakra!> I am sure you will succeed sooner than later---Not that you are going on> the right track, but becasue you have concieved the most uselss and> imaginary ayanamsha! And the more incorrect an ayanamsha is, the more> correct the predictions of "Vedic astrologers" are then!> As such, you ask all the "Vedic astrologers" the world over that they> must experiment with your ayanamsha! I am sure they will find> predictions coming correct more as per your ayanamsha than Lahiri or> Ramana or Muladhara, since all those ayanamshas do have a semblance of> some rational basis, whereas yours is an entirely imaginary one!> My best wishes for the success of your imaginary ayanamsha, in the filed> of anti-vedic "Vedic astrology".> Jai Shri Ram!> A K Kaul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Shri Hari Mallaji, Jai Shri Ram! <Let us first finalise what was the vedic system wether it was sayan, nirayan or coordinated.> There is a joke about the famous fable of Laila-Majnu! A gentleman narrated the story of their love affiar which every body heard with rapt attention. In the end, a drunkard got upand said, " I enjoyed the story very much. But you have not told us as to what relation Laila had with Majnu " . It is a similar case with you. You claim to read everything carefully about the Vedic calendar, but are as yet to grasp the fundamental fact the curse (or curses!) known as sayana and nirayana (or even coordinated!) is/are applicable only to NON-EXISTENT DIVISIONS known as Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis---or Aries, Taurus etc. astrological signs----and neither to seasonal year nor to seasons nor to seasonal months nor even to lunar synodic months etc. etc. And as informed hundreds of times, except for a " sayana tapasvini " and a " nirayana parokhsya professor " , nobody has been able to decipher these accursed Rashis in any of the Vedas or the Vedanga Jyotisha or Atharva Jyotisha or even Atharva-Veda parishishta! Even that " tapasvini " and " parokshya preofessor " have done it only either in their " samadhi " or in their " parokshya somnambular state " ! Similarly except for the owner of an Indian-astrology-group nobody has been able to stomach the fact that the Rashi shloka in the Vedanga Jyotisha is not spurious! A parokshya professor is parroting " his master's voice " about the VJ Rashi mantra time and again, but he is actually losing his own credibility by doing so! So when the curse known as Mesha etc. rashis was not prevailing in India till the time of Maya the mlechha's Surya Sidhanta, how can you talk of the Vedic calendar being sayana or nirayana or even coordinated! Vedic calendar comprised Uttarayana, Dakshinayana etc four cardinal points; Shishira, Vasanta etc. six ritus, Tapas, Tapasya etc.12 solar months and Magha, Phalguna etc.12/13 lunar months besides Krittika, Rohini etc. nakshatras! During the time of the Vedanga Jyotisha, the solar year started with Uttarayana-cum-solar Tapas, when the day was the shortest! Lunar months of Magha, Phalguna etc. followed the same, with the first New Moon after Uttarayana being known as Magha. Sometimes both the phenomena viz. the Uttarayana and the New Moon coincided and that was the start of a five year new yuga. Vedic nakshatras started, most probably, from the nakshatra where the Vernal equinox was located in the Vedic period. That is why we had it starting from Krittikas in the Yajurveda and the Vedanga Jyotisha. We have also references in the Mahabharata that the nakshatra-chakra started from Shravana (Shravanaadini rikkshyani)! But the riddle that has not been solved till date is as to wherefrom the Krittika or Shravana etc. nakshatras started and where did they end! For example, did the Krittika nakshatra start when the Vernal Equinox was in exact conjunction the Alcyone (Eta Tauri) or some other star or was it when that star was in the middle of particular division, which means that Krittika nakshatra started much before the Vernal Equinox being in exact conjunction with that star. What was the ending point of Krittika or Shravana etc. It could not have been an arbitrary equal division, in spite of the miserable claims of " Vedic astrologers " . There had to be some logic as to why a particular nakshatra was having that nomenclature. Was it that some star clusters resembled " hasta " and that is why it was known as " hasta " or was it that there was some other reasons behind the same. If it was the former, it could never be an equal division one " shape " cannot be equal to another! Then the most irritating point is as to what relation did the stars of similar names, which are known as Junction stars these days, have with the actual nakshatras! It is doubtful that at least Chitra (Spica---Alpha Virginis) and Svati (Arctrus---Alpha Bootis) Stars could have had any relation with the actual nakshatra divisions of those names since they are away by less than a degree from one another, whereas Swati and Vishakha (Alpha Librae) are away by about 21 degrees from one another. How can it be that type an arbitrary and illogical and unscientific division? Further Ashvini division starts before ten degrees of Ashvnini (Sheratan---Beta Arietis) Star---even nirayana division---but Mula division starts with just Mula nakshatra (Schaula---Lambda Scorpii) Star, according to " Lahiri Vedic astrologers " themselves! According to " Muladhara Vedic astrologers " , the story is somewhat different and still more different is it in the case of " Ramana Vedic astrologers " . And nakshatras are an important part of the Vedic lore calendar for muhurtas etc.. As such, pl. leave the niradhara nirayana and sayana mess to " Vedic astrologers " and let them go on fighting among themselves to prove the " accuracy " of a particular rashichakra vis-a-vis their most accurate prediction. Pl. try to find some real solutions of the nakshatra problems and start celebrating the festivals in real Vedic months like Madhu-cum-Chaitra etc. instead of Lahiri or Ramana or even Harimalla months! <Let us know our goal first.> I hope you know it now. <Then we can know the truth we are searching in a better way and give importance to first thing first> Pl. set your priorities right now! Jai Shri Ram. A K Kaul HinduCalendar , " hari " <harimalla wrote: Dear shri Kaulji, Jaya shri Ram! May I request you to kindly talk on the past vedic calendar system and also calendar reform as done in the past. Let us know our goal first.Then we can know the truth we are searching in a better way and give importance to first thing first. Let us first finalise what was the vedic system wether it was sayan , nirayan or coordinated. After we agree upon that we can search for the solutions, possibly in a joint manner.If there is any other way to meet the vedic requirements than the method I have proposed, It is perfectly OK. So my first question is 'Do you agree that the vedic system was coordinative rather than sayan or nirayan?' if you agree to it we will proceed further, if you think otherwise,let us find what was the system they were following? Thank you and Regards, Hari Malla HinduCalendar , " Krishen " <jyotirved wrote: > > > Shri Hari Malla ji, > Jai Shri Ram! > > < Here you are completely in the dark! Sorry, but when you know that > makar sankranti is celebrated on the nirayan date every year,how have > you conjured up this fanstastic concept? Why are you blind to the > practice? Or do you think they have been mislead in the middle ages? if > so then is there any proof of this sudden change?> > > I suggest you keep up your crusade for a so called nirayana rashichakra! > I am sure you will succeed sooner than later---Not that you are going on > the right track, but becasue you have concieved the most uselss and > imaginary ayanamsha! And the more incorrect an ayanamsha is, the more > correct the predictions of " Vedic astrologers " are then! > As such, you ask all the " Vedic astrologers " the world over that they > must experiment with your ayanamsha! I am sure they will find > predictions coming correct more as per your ayanamsha than Lahiri or > Ramana or Muladhara, since all those ayanamshas do have a semblance of > some rational basis, whereas yours is an entirely imaginary one! > My best wishes for the success of your imaginary ayanamsha, in the filed > of anti-vedic " Vedic astrology " . > Jai Shri Ram! > A K Kaul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 HinduCalendar , " Krishen " <jyotirved wrote: Dear friends, Jai Shri Ram! I am glad that quite a few members have started taking interest again in calendar reform! This is all due to Shri Hair Malla's untiring efforts to thrust down everybody's throat an imaginary ayanamsha, which he does not understand himself! But no doubt, his intentions are not selfish or evil. Moral of the story: If one works in a selfless manner for something, the results are always healthy, even if the methods adopted appear out of the box! In fact, I entered the calendar-reform fray only after I had become a " well known astrologer " through my Shri Krishen Universal Ephemeris and Panchang for several years! My aim was to arrive at Truth and nothing but Truth about jyotisha---and the Truth is that predictive gimmikcs are anti-Vedic and they have landed us in the mess of going off the track from the real Vedic calendar! Jai Shri Ram! AKK HinduCalendar , vishwamitra Rawat v_vishwamitra@ wrote: > > hari ji, may i know what are the two thins which are coordinated in your coordinated system and at what are they coordinated. > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 HinduCalendar , " Krishen " <jyotirved wrote: Shri Hai Malla ji, Jai Shri Ram! <Where is it said that Tapas is a solar month?> If Magha and Tapas, both are lunar months, that is a punarukti dosha and the Vedic seers abhored it! <To my knowledge, it is only a tropical synodic lunar month which has a 'sukla' pakshya.> Pl. improve your knowledge of astronomy! Synodic months are neither tropical nor sidereal! They are just Synodic! Pl. consult some good dictionary to know the meaning of synodic! <Perhaps the main problem lies in this understanding only. It is said in Vedanga jyotish that the year is lunar. So I am not able to digest it as solar year.Please clarify.> A lunar year means twelve synodic months. Each synodic month comprises 29.530589 days. Twelve Synodic months, therefore, means 29.530589 multiplied by 12 = 354.36707 days. If we include 29.530589 days of an adhika masa also, then the thirteen-month lunar year comprises 383.89766 days. The Tropical solar year comprises 365.24219 days wheereas the sidereal solar year comprises 365.256364 days. An anomalistic solar year comprises 365.2596 days. The Vedanga Jyotisha year comprises 366 days! You can deduce it for yourself as to what type of a year the VJ is talking about! Jai Shri Ram! AKK HinduCalendar , " hari " <harimalla@> wrote: > > Dear shri Kaulji, > > Namaskar! Another question please. > Where is it said that Tapas is a solar month? How can tapa sukla (pakshya or pratipada) be a solar month? To my knowledge, it is only a tropical synodic lunar month which has a 'sukla' pakshya. > > <During the time of the Vedanga Jyotisha, the solar year started with Uttarayana-cum-solar Tapas, when the day was the shortest! > > > Perhaps the main problem lies in this understanding only. It is said in Vedanga jyotish that the year is lunar. So I am not able to digest it as solar year.Please clarify. > thank you. > Regards, > Hari Malla > > > > HinduCalendar , " hari " <harimalla@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Kaulji, > > Namaskar! > > May I put a quick and short question in other words, since you seem to be allergic to the words sayan and nirayan? > > The question is, although uttaryan means the shortest day and the year started then,was uttaryan celebrated and the new year started on that day when it was the shortest or when it was magha sukla pratipada? > > or Did Maagha sukla pratipada always fall on the shortest day? > > Please answer.Thank you. > > Regards, > > Hari Malla > > > > HinduCalendar , " jyotirved " <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Shri Hari Mallaji, > > > Jai Shri Ram! > > > > > > <Let us first finalise what was the vedic system wether it was sayan, nirayan or coordinated.> > > > There is a joke about the famous fable of Laila-Majnu! A gentleman narrated the story of their love affiar which every body heard with rapt attention. In the end, a drunkard got upand said, " I enjoyed the story very much. But you have not told us as to what relation Laila had with Majnu " . > > > It is a similar case with you. You claim to read everything carefully about the Vedic calendar, but are as yet to grasp the fundamental fact the curse (or curses!) known as sayana and nirayana (or even coordinated!) is/are applicable only to NON-EXISTENT DIVISIONS known as Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis---or Aries, Taurus etc. astrological signs----and neither to seasonal year nor to seasons nor to seasonal months nor even to lunar synodic months etc. etc. > > > And as informed hundreds of times, except for a " sayana tapasvini " and a " nirayana parokhsya professor " , nobody has been able to decipher these accursed Rashis in any of the Vedas or the Vedanga Jyotisha or Atharva Jyotisha or even Atharva-Veda parishishta! Even that " tapasvini " and " parokshya preofessor " have done it only either in their " samadhi " or in their " parokshya somnambular state " ! Similarly except for the owner of an Indian-astrology-group nobody has been able to stomach the fact that the Rashi shloka in the Vedanga Jyotisha is not spurious! A parokshya professor is parroting " his master's voice " about the VJ Rashi mantra time and again, but he is actually losing his own credibility by doing so! > > > So when the curse known as Mesha etc. rashis was not prevailing in India till the time of Maya the mlechha's Surya Sidhanta, how can you talk of the Vedic calendar being sayana or nirayana or even coordinated! > > > Vedic calendar comprised Uttarayana, Dakshinayana etc four cardinal points; Shishira, Vasanta etc. six ritus, Tapas, Tapasya etc.12 solar months and Magha, Phalguna etc.12/13 lunar months besides Krittika, Rohini etc. nakshatras! > > > During the time of the Vedanga Jyotisha, the solar year started with Uttarayana-cum-solar Tapas, when the day was the shortest! Lunar months of Magha, Phalguna etc. followed the same, with the first New Moon after Uttarayana being known as Magha. Sometimes both the phenomena viz. the Uttarayana and the New Moon coincided and that was the start of a five year new yuga. > > > > > > Vedic nakshatras started, most probably, from the nakshatra where the Vernal equinox was located in the Vedic period. That is why we had it starting from Krittikas in the Yajurveda and the Vedanga Jyotisha. We have also references in the Mahabharata that the nakshatra-chakra started from Shravana (Shravanaadini rikkshyani)! But the riddle that has not been solved till date is as to wherefrom the Krittika or Shravana etc. nakshatras started and where did they end! For example, did the Krittika nakshatra start when the Vernal Equinox was in exact conjunction the Alcyone (Eta Tauri) or some other star or was it when that star was in the middle of particular division, which means that Krittika nakshatra started much before the Vernal Equinox being in exact conjunction with that star. What was the ending point of Krittika or Shravana etc. It could not have been an arbitrary equal division, in spite of the miserable claims of " Vedic astrologers " . There had to be some logic as to why a particular nakshatra was having that nomenclature. Was it that some star clusters resembled " hasta " and that is why it was known as " hasta " or was it that there was some other reasons behind the same. If it was the former, it could never be an equal division one " shape " cannot be equal to another! > > > Then the most irritating point is as to what relation did the stars of similar names, which are known as Junction stars these days, have with the actual nakshatras! It is doubtful that at least Chitra (Spica---Alpha Virginis) and Svati (Arctrus---Alpha Bootis) Stars could have had any relation with the actual nakshatra divisions of those names since they are away by less than a degree from one another, whereas Swati and Vishakha (Alpha Librae) are away by about 21 degrees from one another. How can it be that type an arbitrary and illogical and unscientific division? Further Ashvini division starts before ten degrees of Ashvnini (Sheratan---Beta Arietis) Star---even nirayana division---but Mula division starts with just Mula nakshatra (Schaula---Lambda Scorpii) Star, according to " Lahiri Vedic astrologers " themselves! According to " Muladhara Vedic astrologers " , the story is somewhat different and still more different is it in the case of " Ramana Vedic astrologers " . And nakshatras are an important part of the Vedic lore calendar for muhurtas etc.. > > > As such, pl. leave the niradhara nirayana and sayana mess to " Vedic astrologers " and let them go on fighting among themselves to prove the " accuracy " of a particular rashichakra vis-a-vis their most accurate prediction. Pl. try to find some real solutions of the nakshatra problems and start celebrating the festivals in real Vedic months like Madhu-cum-Chaitra etc. instead of Lahiri or Ramana or even Harimalla months! > > > <Let us know our goal first.> > > > I hope you know it now. > > > <Then we can know the truth we are searching in a better way and give importance to first thing first> > > > Pl. set your priorities right now! > > > Jai Shri Ram. > > > A K Kaul > > > > > > HinduCalendar , " hari " <harimalla@> wrote: > > > Dear shri Kaulji, > > > Jaya shri Ram! > > > May I request you to kindly talk on the past vedic calendar system and also > > > calendar reform as done in the past. Let us know our goal first.Then we can know > > > the truth we are searching in a better way and give importance to first thing > > > first. > > > Let us first finalise what was the vedic system wether it was sayan , nirayan or > > > coordinated. After we agree upon that we can search for the solutions, possibly > > > in a joint manner.If there is any other way to meet the vedic requirements than > > > the method I have proposed, It is perfectly OK. So my first question is 'Do you > > > agree that the vedic system was coordinative rather than sayan or nirayan?' if > > > you agree to it we will proceed further, if you think otherwise,let us find what > > > was the system they were following? Thank you and > > > Regards, > > > Hari Malla > > > > > > HinduCalendar , " Krishen " <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Hari Malla ji, > > > > Jai Shri Ram! > > > > > > > > < Here you are completely in the dark! Sorry, but when you know that > > > > makar sankranti is celebrated on the nirayan date every year,how have > > > > you conjured up this fanstastic concept? Why are you blind to the > > > > practice? Or do you think they have been mislead in the middle ages? if > > > > so then is there any proof of this sudden change?> > > > > > > > > I suggest you keep up your crusade for a so called nirayana rashichakra! > > > > I am sure you will succeed sooner than later---Not that you are going on > > > > the right track, but becasue you have concieved the most uselss and > > > > imaginary ayanamsha! And the more incorrect an ayanamsha is, the more > > > > correct the predictions of " Vedic astrologers " are then! > > > > As such, you ask all the " Vedic astrologers " the world over that they > > > > must experiment with your ayanamsha! I am sure they will find > > > > predictions coming correct more as per your ayanamsha than Lahiri or > > > > Ramana or Muladhara, since all those ayanamshas do have a semblance of > > > > some rational basis, whereas yours is an entirely imaginary one! > > > > My best wishes for the success of your imaginary ayanamsha, in the filed > > > > of anti-vedic " Vedic astrology " . > > > > Jai Shri Ram! > > > > A K Kaul > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 HinduCalendar , " Krishen " <jyotirved wrote: Dear friends, Jai Shri Ram! I am glad that quite a few members have started taking interest again in calendar reform! This is all due to Shri Hair Malla's untiring efforts to thrust down everybody's throat an imaginary ayanamsha, which he does not understand himself! But no doubt, his intentions are not selfish or evil. Moral of the story: If one works in a selfless manner for something, the results are always healthy, even if the methods adopted appear out of the box! In fact, I entered the calendar-reform fray only after I had become a " well known astrologer " through my Shri Krishen Universal Ephemeris and Panchang for several years! My aim was to arrive at Truth and nothing but Truth about jyotisha---and the Truth is that predictive gimmikcs are anti-Vedic and they have landed us in the mess of going off the track from the real Vedic calendar! Jai Shri Ram! AKK HinduCalendar , vishwamitra Rawat v_vishwamitra@ wrote: > > hari ji, may i know what are the two thins which are coordinated in your coordinated system and at what are they coordinated. > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 HinduCalendar , " Krishen " <jyotirved wrote: Shri Hai Malla ji, Jai Shri Ram! <Where is it said that Tapas is a solar month?> If Magha and Tapas, both are lunar months, that is a punarukti dosha and the Vedic seers abhored it! <To my knowledge, it is only a tropical synodic lunar month which has a 'sukla' pakshya.> Pl. improve your knowledge of astronomy! Synodic months are neither tropical nor sidereal! They are just Synodic! Pl. consult some good dictionary to know the meaning of synodic! <Perhaps the main problem lies in this understanding only. It is said in Vedanga jyotish that the year is lunar. So I am not able to digest it as solar year.Please clarify.> A lunar year means twelve synodic months. Each synodic month comprises 29.530589 days. Twelve Synodic months, therefore, means 29.530589 multiplied by 12 = 354.36707 days. If we include 29.530589 days of an adhika masa also, then the thirteen-month lunar year comprises 383.89766 days. The Tropical solar year comprises 365.24219 days wheereas the sidereal solar year comprises 365.256364 days. An anomalistic solar year comprises 365.2596 days. The Vedanga Jyotisha year comprises 366 days! You can deduce it for yourself as to what type of a year the VJ is talking about! Jai Shri Ram! AKK HinduCalendar , " hari " <harimalla@> wrote: > > Dear shri Kaulji, > > Namaskar! Another question please. > Where is it said that Tapas is a solar month? How can tapa sukla (pakshya or pratipada) be a solar month? To my knowledge, it is only a tropical synodic lunar month which has a 'sukla' pakshya. > > <During the time of the Vedanga Jyotisha, the solar year started with Uttarayana-cum-solar Tapas, when the day was the shortest! > > > Perhaps the main problem lies in this understanding only. It is said in Vedanga jyotish that the year is lunar. So I am not able to digest it as solar year.Please clarify. > thank you. > Regards, > Hari Malla > > > > HinduCalendar , " hari " <harimalla@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Kaulji, > > Namaskar! > > May I put a quick and short question in other words, since you seem to be allergic to the words sayan and nirayan? > > The question is, although uttaryan means the shortest day and the year started then,was uttaryan celebrated and the new year started on that day when it was the shortest or when it was magha sukla pratipada? > > or Did Maagha sukla pratipada always fall on the shortest day? > > Please answer.Thank you. > > Regards, > > Hari Malla > > > > HinduCalendar , " jyotirved " <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Shri Hari Mallaji, > > > Jai Shri Ram! > > > > > > <Let us first finalise what was the vedic system wether it was sayan, nirayan or coordinated.> > > > There is a joke about the famous fable of Laila-Majnu! A gentleman narrated the story of their love affiar which every body heard with rapt attention. In the end, a drunkard got upand said, " I enjoyed the story very much. But you have not told us as to what relation Laila had with Majnu " . > > > It is a similar case with you. You claim to read everything carefully about the Vedic calendar, but are as yet to grasp the fundamental fact the curse (or curses!) known as sayana and nirayana (or even coordinated!) is/are applicable only to NON-EXISTENT DIVISIONS known as Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis---or Aries, Taurus etc. astrological signs----and neither to seasonal year nor to seasons nor to seasonal months nor even to lunar synodic months etc. etc. > > > And as informed hundreds of times, except for a " sayana tapasvini " and a " nirayana parokhsya professor " , nobody has been able to decipher these accursed Rashis in any of the Vedas or the Vedanga Jyotisha or Atharva Jyotisha or even Atharva-Veda parishishta! Even that " tapasvini " and " parokshya preofessor " have done it only either in their " samadhi " or in their " parokshya somnambular state " ! Similarly except for the owner of an Indian-astrology-group nobody has been able to stomach the fact that the Rashi shloka in the Vedanga Jyotisha is not spurious! A parokshya professor is parroting " his master's voice " about the VJ Rashi mantra time and again, but he is actually losing his own credibility by doing so! > > > So when the curse known as Mesha etc. rashis was not prevailing in India till the time of Maya the mlechha's Surya Sidhanta, how can you talk of the Vedic calendar being sayana or nirayana or even coordinated! > > > Vedic calendar comprised Uttarayana, Dakshinayana etc four cardinal points; Shishira, Vasanta etc. six ritus, Tapas, Tapasya etc.12 solar months and Magha, Phalguna etc.12/13 lunar months besides Krittika, Rohini etc. nakshatras! > > > During the time of the Vedanga Jyotisha, the solar year started with Uttarayana-cum-solar Tapas, when the day was the shortest! Lunar months of Magha, Phalguna etc. followed the same, with the first New Moon after Uttarayana being known as Magha. Sometimes both the phenomena viz. the Uttarayana and the New Moon coincided and that was the start of a five year new yuga. > > > > > > Vedic nakshatras started, most probably, from the nakshatra where the Vernal equinox was located in the Vedic period. That is why we had it starting from Krittikas in the Yajurveda and the Vedanga Jyotisha. We have also references in the Mahabharata that the nakshatra-chakra started from Shravana (Shravanaadini rikkshyani)! But the riddle that has not been solved till date is as to wherefrom the Krittika or Shravana etc. nakshatras started and where did they end! For example, did the Krittika nakshatra start when the Vernal Equinox was in exact conjunction the Alcyone (Eta Tauri) or some other star or was it when that star was in the middle of particular division, which means that Krittika nakshatra started much before the Vernal Equinox being in exact conjunction with that star. What was the ending point of Krittika or Shravana etc. It could not have been an arbitrary equal division, in spite of the miserable claims of " Vedic astrologers " . There had to be some logic as to why a particular nakshatra was having that nomenclature. Was it that some star clusters resembled " hasta " and that is why it was known as " hasta " or was it that there was some other reasons behind the same. If it was the former, it could never be an equal division one " shape " cannot be equal to another! > > > Then the most irritating point is as to what relation did the stars of similar names, which are known as Junction stars these days, have with the actual nakshatras! It is doubtful that at least Chitra (Spica---Alpha Virginis) and Svati (Arctrus---Alpha Bootis) Stars could have had any relation with the actual nakshatra divisions of those names since they are away by less than a degree from one another, whereas Swati and Vishakha (Alpha Librae) are away by about 21 degrees from one another. How can it be that type an arbitrary and illogical and unscientific division? Further Ashvini division starts before ten degrees of Ashvnini (Sheratan---Beta Arietis) Star---even nirayana division---but Mula division starts with just Mula nakshatra (Schaula---Lambda Scorpii) Star, according to " Lahiri Vedic astrologers " themselves! According to " Muladhara Vedic astrologers " , the story is somewhat different and still more different is it in the case of " Ramana Vedic astrologers " . And nakshatras are an important part of the Vedic lore calendar for muhurtas etc.. > > > As such, pl. leave the niradhara nirayana and sayana mess to " Vedic astrologers " and let them go on fighting among themselves to prove the " accuracy " of a particular rashichakra vis-a-vis their most accurate prediction. Pl. try to find some real solutions of the nakshatra problems and start celebrating the festivals in real Vedic months like Madhu-cum-Chaitra etc. instead of Lahiri or Ramana or even Harimalla months! > > > <Let us know our goal first.> > > > I hope you know it now. > > > <Then we can know the truth we are searching in a better way and give importance to first thing first> > > > Pl. set your priorities right now! > > > Jai Shri Ram. > > > A K Kaul > > > > > > HinduCalendar , " hari " <harimalla@> wrote: > > > Dear shri Kaulji, > > > Jaya shri Ram! > > > May I request you to kindly talk on the past vedic calendar system and also > > > calendar reform as done in the past. Let us know our goal first.Then we can know > > > the truth we are searching in a better way and give importance to first thing > > > first. > > > Let us first finalise what was the vedic system wether it was sayan , nirayan or > > > coordinated. After we agree upon that we can search for the solutions, possibly > > > in a joint manner.If there is any other way to meet the vedic requirements than > > > the method I have proposed, It is perfectly OK. So my first question is 'Do you > > > agree that the vedic system was coordinative rather than sayan or nirayan?' if > > > you agree to it we will proceed further, if you think otherwise,let us find what > > > was the system they were following? Thank you and > > > Regards, > > > Hari Malla > > > > > > HinduCalendar , " Krishen " <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Hari Malla ji, > > > > Jai Shri Ram! > > > > > > > > < Here you are completely in the dark! Sorry, but when you know that > > > > makar sankranti is celebrated on the nirayan date every year,how have > > > > you conjured up this fanstastic concept? Why are you blind to the > > > > practice? Or do you think they have been mislead in the middle ages? if > > > > so then is there any proof of this sudden change?> > > > > > > > > I suggest you keep up your crusade for a so called nirayana rashichakra! > > > > I am sure you will succeed sooner than later---Not that you are going on > > > > the right track, but becasue you have concieved the most uselss and > > > > imaginary ayanamsha! And the more incorrect an ayanamsha is, the more > > > > correct the predictions of " Vedic astrologers " are then! > > > > As such, you ask all the " Vedic astrologers " the world over that they > > > > must experiment with your ayanamsha! I am sure they will find > > > > predictions coming correct more as per your ayanamsha than Lahiri or > > > > Ramana or Muladhara, since all those ayanamshas do have a semblance of > > > > some rational basis, whereas yours is an entirely imaginary one! > > > > My best wishes for the success of your imaginary ayanamsha, in the filed > > > > of anti-vedic " Vedic astrology " . > > > > Jai Shri Ram! > > > > A K Kaul > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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