Fwed: Jyotishis Vs Shri Avtar Krishen Kaul - 2

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Shri A Sharmaji,

Jai Shri Ram!

Many thanks indeed for your query, "Does the Sanskrit verse mention "shortest" and "longest" day in this above Sanskrit verse given by AKKji?" which means you want to be sure as to whether the Surya Sidhanta has really talked of Makar Sankranti being the shortet day of the year and so on. I wish we had many more enquiring minds like you around who did not accept everthing with eyes closed and ears plugged with cotton wool! That would definitely help us to streamline our calendars more swiftly than the snail's pace at which it is proceeding right now!

I am posting below some excerpts from my 1997 Shri Krishen Universal Ephemeris & Panchang, pages 13-14 and it must put to rest not only your misgivings but of all the genuine seekers of truth that we are really celebrating all our festivals and muhurtas neither as per the Vedas nor as per the Puranas and not even as per the Sidhantas!

Jai Shri Ram!

A K Kaul

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The "Acharya" must really be feeling aghast at the nonsense we are making of his verses!

To hammer the same thing that the Surya sidhantakara had nothing but a tropical year and Sankranti in his mind in his whole treatise, he says further in the same (i.e. Mana) Adhyaya — Shlokas 7 to 10:

HkpØukHka fo"kqon~ f}r;a lelw=kxe~ A v;uf}r;a pSo prlz% izfFkrkLrq rk%A7A

rnUrjs"kq ladzkfUr f}r;a f}r;a iqu%A uSjUr;kZr~ rq ladzkUrsKZs;e~ fo".kqinh};e~A8A

HkkukseZdjlØzkUrs% "k.eklk mRrjk;.k~ A dD;ZknsLrq rFkSso L;kr~ "k.eklk nf+{k.kk;ue~A9A

f}jkf'kukFkk_roLrrksfi f'kf'kjkn;% A es"kkn;k }kn'kSrs eklSLrSjso oRlj% A10A

Meaning that: "In the midst of the zodiac (bhachakra) are the two equinoxes (Vishuvat), situated upon the same diameter (Samasutraga) and likewise the two solstices (Ayanas); these four are well known. Between these are, in each case, two entrances (Sankrantis) into Capricorn, (from the beginning of which) six months are his northern progress (Uttarayana) , so likewise, from the beginning of Cancer, six months are his Southern progress (Dakshinayana). Thence also are reckoned the seasons (Ritu) the cool season (Shishir) and the next each prevailing through two signs. These twelve (Rashis) commencing with Aries (Mesha) are the months; of them is made up the year".

Surya Sidhanta and Panchasidhantika are talking of tropical and not sidereal solstices and equinoxes: Now if the "Acharya" (Maya, the Yavana!) had been talking about Nirayana Sankrantis i.e., Nirayana Rashis—or a Nirayana year, he certainly would have not linked them to the Ritus—seasons—and solstices and equinoxes! For if he has consciously done so i.e. linked Nirayana Samkrantis with the solstices and equinoxes—it means he did not know even a b c of astronomy and the earlier we consign the works by such ignorant "Acharyas" to dustbin, the better for our Vedic culture it will be!.

But the "Acharya" (Maya) knew what he was talking about for this is what he has to say in Bhugol Adhyaya:

es"kknkS rq lnk o`f)jqnxqRrjrksvf/kdk A nsoka'ks p {kik gkfufoZijhra rFkklqjsA57A

rqyknkS |qfu'kksokZea {k;o`}kS r;ksjqHks A nslaØkfUr o'kkfUuR;a rf}Kkua iqjksfnre~A58A

v;ukUrsfoyksesu nsoklqjfoHkkx;ks% A ukMh'k"Vîk ld`ngfuZ'kkI;fLeu~ ld`r~ A61A

rnUrjs vfi "k"B~;Urs {k;o`)kS vgfuZ'kks% A ijrks foijhrks v;a Hkxksy% ifjorZrs A62A

"During the half revolution beginning with Aries, there is always an excess of day to the north, in the hemisphere of the gods—greater according to distance north—and a corresponding deficiency of the night, In the hemisphere of the demons, the reverse. In the half revolution beginning with Libra both the deficiency and excess of day and night in the two hemispheres are the opposite of this; the method of determining them, which is always dependent upon situation (desha) and declination, has been before explained.

`There occurs once, at the end of the sun's half revolution from solstice to solstice, a day of sixty nadis, and a night of the same length mutually opposed to one another, in the two hemispheres of the gods and of the demons. In the intermediate region, the deficiency and excess of day and night are within the limit of sixty nadis beyond this sphere of asterisms (bha) revolves perversely".

As any reader with a sound mind and even a trifling knowledge of geography taught at primary school level about the phenomenon of seasons knows, it is only around March 21 every year that the length of days in the northern hemisphere starts increasing (and that of the nights decreasing) whereas around September 20 every year the length of nights starts increasing (and the length of days decreasing) and in the same order the day being the shortest around December 21 and longest around June 21. And it is only Sayana Aries (Mesha), Cancer (Karkata) , Libra (Tula) and Capricorn (Makara) Sankrantis that start around these days—and not Nirayana because these are the Equinoctial and solstitial points!

The same fact has been reiterated by the much talked about Panchasidhantika :

edjknkS xq.k ;qDrks] es"kknkS frfFk;qDrks josfnZol%A ddZVkfn"kq lRlq p;fL=kdk% 'koZjhekue~AA

ddZVkfn"kq HkqDra f}xq.ka e/;afnuh HkosPNk;k A edjkfn"kq okI;soa] fdapkfLeUeaMykPNks/;aAA

And this is how Mahamahopadhyaya Pt. Sudhakar Dwivedi has interpreted it:

**bnkuha fnuekuekgA edjknkfofrA edjknkS fnus fnus HkwLoxZfr frfFkfer ,duoiapSdfer% 1951 f=kfHkfL=kfHk% iyS;ZqrLrnk fnuekua Hkosnsoa ddZVknkS rnso 'koZjhekua jkf=kekua HkofrA v=kksiifRr%A vofUrdk;ka edjknkS ijedYifnuekua iykReda Hkqou iapSdfer izdYI; rr% izfrfnua iy=k;L; o`f)% ifjdfYirk fnuekus A vFk edjknkS ;n~fnuekua rnso ddZVknkS 'koZjhekueqfnrekpk;Zs.ksfr loZaa fujo|e~A —iapfl)kfUrdk 33@8] 34@9

In a nutshell it means that "On Makara Samkranti the day is the shortest— about thirteen ghatikas - 1951 palas - and from that day onwards there is an increase of three Palas everyday. Whatever is the duration of a day at Makara Samkranti is the duration of night at the time of Karka Samkranti i.e. day is the longest then". If all these are Nirayana Samkrantis, pray, what are the Sayana Samkrantis then? And is the day ever shortest on any other day excepting Makara Samkranti - Sayana, of course?

Though we talk authoritatively about Varahamihira, who holds the "Surya Sidhanta" as the most accurate Sidhanta Li"Vrjks lkfo=k% as on that date; we also say that Varahamihira was aware of the precession of equinoxes (which he was not!) but even he in the very first chapter of his Panchasidhantika, verses 61-63 has this to say:

es"k rqyknkS fo"kqor~"kM'khfreq[ka rqykfnHkkxs"kqA'kM'khfreq[ks"kq jos% fir`fnolk ;s vo'ks"kk% L;q%A

mnx;ua edjknko`ro% f'kf'kjkn;'p lw;Zo'kkr~Af}Hkoudyklekua nf{k.ke;u'p ddZVkr~AA

which, again, in a nutshell means, "when the sun is in Mesha and Tula these are the equinoctial points and Uttarayana starts with Makara Samkranti together with Shishir season and Dakshinayana with Karka Sankranti ".

Now for the sake of argument (to satisfy some die-hard "fundamentalists!") if the "Acharya" (Maya) had been talking about a Nirayana zodiac then to work out the Sayana Mesha Samkranti, we shall have to subtract further 23 degrees (as per the example method of finding out Ayanamsha as given in the Panchasidhantika) from Nirayana Mesha Samkranti which falls around April 13 these days. That means on that date the Surya Sidhanta tropical sun should be 0 i.e. 360 minus 23 degree = 337 degrees so the Vernal Equinox would have been then around May 7 instead of March 21 when actually such Nirayana Panchangas as are based on Surya Sidhanta show Vernal Equinox also around April 14. Evidently such Panchangakaras have no faith in the Surya Sidhanta either and they just want heads I win and tail you lose when actually those panchangas have neither head nor tail so there is hardly any question of losing or gaining anything excepting their ignorance!——And as again even a dull student of geography should know, days never start increasing from February 26! Certainly, the "Acharya" of the S.S. did know that much of geography as not to contradict the hard reality and try to make the impossible possible——as is being done by some of our traditional Panchangakara "Acharyas" these days. WE ARE THUS GOING NEITHER BY THE S.S., NOR BY MODERN ASTRONOMY, NOR BY ANY NIRAYANA OR SAYANA SYSTEM ACTUALLY——we ARE ONLY GOING BY our CONFUSED AND MUDDLED IMAGINATION AND INTERPRETATION because as we have seen above the SS proclaims very boldly

HkkukseZdjladzkUrs% "k.eklk mRrjk;.k~A dD;ZknsLrq rFkSso L;kr~ ""k.eklk nf+{k.kk;ue~A9A

f}jkf'kukFkk_roLrrksfi f'kf'kjkn;% A es"kkn;k }kn'kSrs eklSLrSjso oRlj% A10A

.."....two entrances (Samkrantis) into Capricorn, (from the beginning of which) six months are his northern progress (Uttarayana) , so likewise, from the beginning of Cancer, six months are his Southern progress (Dakshinayana). Thence also are reckoned the seasons (Ritu) the cool season (Shishir) and the next each prevailing through two signs. These twelve (Rashis) commencing with Aries (Mesha) are the months; of them is made up the year".

******* ********** ******** ******* ********HinduCalendar , A Sharma <asharmanz wrote:>> To all sanskrit scholars, >  > AKKji you wrote: > " The SS has said " Bhanor Makar Sankranteh shanmasa uttarayana,> karkyadestathaiva syat shanmasa dakshinayanam" which means that the six> months of Uttarayana start from the day of Makar Sankranti, when the day> is the shortest and the six months of Dakshinayna start with Karkata> Sankrantih when the day is the longest ... .>  ". > > Does the Sanskrit verse mention "shortest" and "longest" day in this above Sanskrit verse given by AKKji? > > --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Krishen jyotirved wrote:> > > Krishen jyotirved [HinduCalendar] Fwd: Re: Jyotishis Vs Shri Avtar Krishen Kaul - 2> hinducalendar > Sunday, October 18, 2009, 10:06 PM> >