Fwd: Jyotishis Vs Shri Avtar Krishen Kaul - 2

October 20, 2009

Fwd: Re: Jyotishis Vs Shri Avtar Krishen Kaul - 2

Shri A Sharmaji,

Jai Shri Ram!

Many thanks indeed for your query, " Does the Sanskrit verse mention

" shortest " and " longest " day in this above Sanskrit verse given by

AKKji? " which means you want to be sure as to whether the Surya

Sidhanta has really talked of Makar Sankranti being the shortet day of

the year and so on. I wish we had many more enquiring minds like you

around who did not accept everthing with eyes closed and ears plugged

with cotton wool! That would definitely help us to streamline our

calendars more swiftly than the snail's pace at which it is proceeding

right now!

I am posting below some excerpts from my 1997 Shri Krishen Universal

Ephemeris & Panchang, pages 13-14 and it must put to rest not only your

misgivings but of all the genuine seekers of truth that we are really

celebrating all our festivals and muhurtas neither as per the Vedas nor

as per the Puranas and not even as per the Sidhantas!

Jai Shri Ram!

A K Kaul

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The " Acharya " must really be feeling aghast at the nonsense we are

making of his verses!

To hammer the same thing that the Surya sidhantakara had nothing but a

tropical year and Sankranti in his mind in his whole treatise, he says

further in the same (i.e. Mana) Adhyaya — Shlokas 7 to 10:

HkpØukHka fo " kqon~ f}r;a lelw=kxe~ A v;uf}r;a pSo prlz%

izfFkrkLrq rk%A7A

rnUrjs " kq ladzkfUr f}r;a f}r;a iqu%A uSjUr;kZr~ rq

ladzkUrsKZs;e~ fo " .kqinh};e~A8A

HkkukseZdjlØzkUrs% " k.eklk mRrjk;.k~ A dD;ZknsLrq rFkSso L;kr~

" k.eklk nf+{k.kk;ue~A9A

f}jkf'kukFkk_roLrrksfi f'kf'kjkn;% A es " kkn;k }kn'kSrs

eklSLrSjso oRlj% A10A

Meaning that: " In the midst of the zodiac (bhachakra) are the two

equinoxes (Vishuvat), situated upon the same diameter (Samasutraga) and

likewise the two solstices (Ayanas); these four are

well known. Between these are, in each case, two entrances

(Sankrantis) into Capricorn, (from the beginning of which) six months

are his northern progress (Uttarayana) , so likewise, from the

beginning of Cancer, six months are his Southern progress

(Dakshinayana). Thence also are reckoned the seasons (Ritu) the cool

season (Shishir) and the next each prevailing through two signs. These

twelve (Rashis) commencing with Aries (Mesha) are the months; of them

is made up the year " .

Surya Sidhanta and Panchasidhantika are talking of tropical and not

sidereal solstices and equinoxes: Now if the " Acharya " (Maya, the

Yavana!) had been talking about Nirayana Sankrantis i.e., Nirayana

Rashis—or a Nirayana year, he certainly would have not linked them

to the Ritus—seasons—and solstices and equinoxes! For if he has

consciously done so i.e. linked Nirayana Samkrantis with the solstices

and equinoxes—it means he did not know even a b c of astronomy and

the earlier we consign the works by such ignorant " Acharyas " to dustbin,

the better for our Vedic culture it will be!.

But the " Acharya " (Maya) knew what he was talking about for

this is what he has to say in Bhugol Adhyaya:

es " kknkS rq lnk o`f)jqnxqRrjrksvf/kdk A nsoka'ks p {kik

gkfufoZijhra rFkklqjsA57A

rqyknkS |qfu'kksokZea {k;o`}kS r;ksjqHks A nslaØkfUr

o'kkfUuR;a rf}Kkua iqjksfnre~A58A

v;ukUrsfoyksesu nsoklqjfoHkkx;ks% A ukMh'k " Vîk

ld`ngfuZ'kkI;fLeu~ ld`r~ A61A

rnUrjs vfi " k " B~;Urs {k;o`)kS vgfuZ'kks% A ijrks foijhrks v;a

Hkxksy% ifjorZrs A62A

" During the half revolution beginning with Aries, there is always an

excess of day to the north, in the hemisphere of the gods—greater

according to distance north—and a corresponding deficiency of the

night, In the hemisphere of the demons, the reverse. In the half

revolution beginning with Libra both the deficiency and excess of day

and night in the two hemispheres are the opposite of this; the method of

determining them, which is always dependent upon situation (desha) and

declination, has been before explained.

`There occurs once, at the end of the sun's half revolution

from solstice to solstice, a day of sixty nadis, and a night of the same

length mutually opposed to one another, in the two hemispheres of the

gods and of the demons. In the intermediate region, the deficiency and

excess of day and night are within the limit of sixty nadis beyond this

sphere of asterisms (bha) revolves perversely " .

As any reader with a sound mind and even a trifling

knowledge of geography taught at primary school level about the

phenomenon of seasons knows, it is only around March 21 every year that

the length of days in the northern hemisphere starts increasing (and

that of the nights decreasing) whereas around September 20 every year

the length of nights starts increasing (and the length of days

decreasing) and in the same order the day being the shortest around

December 21 and longest around June 21. And it is only Sayana Aries

(Mesha), Cancer (Karkata) , Libra (Tula) and Capricorn (Makara)

Sankrantis that start around these days—and not Nirayana because

these are the Equinoctial and solstitial points!

The same fact has been reiterated by the much talked about

Panchasidhantika :

edjknkS xq.k ;qDrks] es " kknkS frfFk;qDrks josfnZol%A ddZVkfn " kq

lRlq p;fL=kdk% 'koZjhekue~AA

ddZVkfn " kq HkqDra f}xq.ka e/;afnuh HkosPNk;k A edjkfn " kq

okI;soa] fdapkfLeUeaMykPNks/;aAA

And this is how Mahamahopadhyaya Pt. Sudhakar Dwivedi has interpreted

it:

**bnkuha fnuekuekgA edjknkfofrA edjknkS fnus fnus HkwLoxZfr frfFkfer

,duoiapSdfer% 1951 f=kfHkfL=kfHk% iyS;ZqrLrnk fnuekua Hkosnsoa ddZVknkS

rnso 'koZjhekua jkf=kekua HkofrA v=kksiifRr%A vofUrdk;ka edjknkS

ijedYifnuekua iykReda Hkqou iapSdfer izdYI; rr% izfrfnua iy=k;L; o`f)%

ifjdfYirk fnuekus A vFk edjknkS ;n~fnuekua rnso ddZVknkS

'koZjhekueqfnrekpk;Zs.ksfr loZaa fujo|e~A —iapfl)kfUrdk 33@8] 34@9

In a nutshell it means that " On Makara Samkranti the day

is the shortest— about thirteen ghatikas - 1951 palas - and from

that day onwards there is an increase of three Palas everyday. Whatever

is the duration of a day at Makara Samkranti is the duration of night at

the time of Karka Samkranti i.e. day is the longest then " . If all these

are Nirayana Samkrantis, pray, what are the Sayana Samkrantis then? And

is the day ever shortest on any other day excepting Makara Samkranti -

Sayana, of course?

Though we talk authoritatively about Varahamihira, who holds

the " Surya Sidhanta " as the most accurate Sidhanta Li " Vrjks lkfo=k% as

on that date; we also say that Varahamihira was aware of the precession

of equinoxes (which he was not!) but even he in the very first chapter

of his Panchasidhantika, verses 61-63 has this to say:

es " k rqyknkS fo " kqor~ " kM'khfreq[ka rqykfnHkkxs " kqA'kM'khfreq[ks " kq

jos% fir`fnolk ;s vo'ks " kk% L;q%A

mnx;ua edjknko`ro% f'kf'kjkn;'p lw;Zo'kkr~Af}Hkoudyklekua

nf{k.ke;u'p ddZVkr~AA

which, again, in a nutshell means, " when the sun is in Mesha and Tula

these are the equinoctial points and Uttarayana starts with Makara

Samkranti together with Shishir season and Dakshinayana with Karka

Sankranti " .

Now for the sake of argument (to satisfy some die-hard

" fundamentalists! " ) if the " Acharya " (Maya) had been talking about a

Nirayana zodiac then to work out the Sayana Mesha Samkranti, we shall

have to subtract further 23 degrees (as per the example method of

finding out Ayanamsha as given in the Panchasidhantika) from Nirayana

Mesha Samkranti which falls around April 13 these days. That means on

that date the Surya Sidhanta tropical sun should be 0 i.e. 360 minus 23

degree = 337 degrees so the Vernal Equinox would have been then around

May 7 instead of March 21 when actually such Nirayana Panchangas as are

based on Surya Sidhanta show Vernal Equinox also around April 14.

Evidently such Panchangakaras have no faith in the Surya Sidhanta either

and they just want heads I win and tail you lose when actually those

panchangas have neither head nor tail so there is hardly any question

of losing or gaining anything excepting their ignorance!——And as

again even a dull student of geography should know, days never start

increasing from February 26! Certainly, the " Acharya " of the S.S. did

know that much of geography as not to contradict the hard reality and

try to make the impossible possible——as is being done by some

of our traditional Panchangakara " Acharyas " these days. WE ARE

THUS GOING NEITHER BY THE S.S., NOR BY MODERN ASTRONOMY, NOR BY ANY

NIRAYANA OR SAYANA SYSTEM ACTUALLY——we ARE ONLY GOING BY our

CONFUSED AND MUDDLED IMAGINATION AND INTERPRETATION because as we

have seen above the SS proclaims very boldly

HkkukseZdjladzkUrs% " k.eklk mRrjk;.k~A dD;ZknsLrq rFkSso L;kr~

" " k.eklk nf+{k.kk;ue~A9A

f}jkf'kukFkk_roLrrksfi f'kf'kjkn;% A es " kkn;k }kn'kSrs

eklSLrSjso oRlj% A10A

.. " ....two entrances (Samkrantis) into Capricorn, (from the beginning of

which) six months are his northern progress (Uttarayana) , so likewise,

from the beginning of Cancer, six months are his Southern progress

(Dakshinayana). Thence also are reckoned the seasons (Ritu) the cool

season (Shishir) and the next each prevailing through two signs. These

twelve (Rashis) commencing with Aries (Mesha) are the months; of them

is made up the year " .

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HinduCalendar , A Sharma <asharmanz wrote:

>

> To all sanskrit scholars,

> Â

> AKKji you wrote:

> " Â The SS has said " Bhanor Makar Sankranteh shanmasa uttarayana,

> karkyadestathaiva syat shanmasa dakshinayanam " which means that the

six

> months of Uttarayana start from the day of Makar Sankranti, when the

day

> is the shortest and the six months of Dakshinayna start with Karkata

> Sankrantih when the day is the longest ... .

> Â " .

>

> Does the Sanskrit verseÂ mentionÂ " shortest " and " longest " day

in this aboveÂ Sanskrit verse given by AKKji?

>

> --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Krishen jyotirved wrote:

>

> Krishen jyotirved

> [HinduCalendar] Fwd: Re: Jyotishis Vs Shri Avtar Krishen Kaul

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> hinducalendar

> Sunday, October 18, 2009, 10:06 PM

>

October 23, 2009

Dear friends,

The question asked by Shri A. Sharma was " Does the Sanskrit verse mention

" shortest " and " longest " day in this above Sanskrit verse given by AKKji? " . The

answer is clear " No " . As usualShri AKK had evaded the answer, rather he does not

have theÂ moral courage to admit that he made a false statement.Â The verse

does not mention the shortest or longest day at all. It says Bhanu (The Sun) in

Makara during the Uttarayana and any Jyotishi knows that the Uttarayana

continues to occur in a rashi for about 22 centuries before it shifts to the

next rashi. There is not need of burdeningÂ Shri Sharma with unsoloicited

informations, which have no bearing on the answer. I am sure Shri sharma wanted

a " to-the-point " reply.

Regards,

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

--- On Tue, 10/20/09, Krishen <jyotirved wrote:

Krishen <jyotirved

Fwd: Re: Jyotishis Vs Shri Avtar Krishen Kaul - 2

Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 6:57 AM

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