Guest guest Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Shri A. Sharmaji, Jai Shri Ram! Thank you for your response. #6444 dt. 28 Oct in Hinducalendar forum. You have said, “As AKKji wrote (see below), then why can't we go back to that Munjala's Laghumanasa corrected Panchaanga?†That is exactly what is being done these days by all the panchangamakers including the Rashtriya Pancdhanga, with the only difference that they are doing further  “beeja (ayanamsha) corrections to beeja corrected†longitudes! It appears you never use Rashtriya Panchanga in any language! It keeps on repeating year after year, on the page giving comparative figures of Surya Sidhanta mean longitudes vis-à -vis modern astronomy and the “Beeja corrections†resulting there from, and I quote, “The planetary position in the (Rashtriya) panchangas are given on the basis of the Surya Sidhanta longitudes with beeja corrections as given aboveâ€Â What the Rashtriya Panchanga calls beeja corrections is nothing but the difference between the mean longitudes of the Surya Sidhanta planets vis-à -vis that of modern astronomy which it gives in a separate column on that very page. And in the “Indian Astronomical Ephemeris†on the basis of which Rashtirya Panchangas are published, the same India Meteorlogical Department and Positional Astronomy Centre, Kolkatta, publishers of the Rashtriya Panchanga, keep on repeating, year after year, “By international agreement the basic ephemerides are shared between the ephemeris offices of several countries and the remaining countries receive them according to their requirements. Our sincere thanks are due to the Superintendent, British Nautical Almanac Office, The Directors of the Nautical Almanac Offices of U. S. A. and U. S. S. R and of the Astronomisches Rechen Institute, Heidelberg for the data furnished by themâ€. You must also be aware that 99.99 percent of Panchanga-makers get all their data, which theuy reproduce in their panchangas, from none other than from Positional Astronomy Centre, Kolkatta! So they are virtually “Munjala’s Laghumanasa corrected panchangas†because that was what Munjala had desired---to make planetary longitudes driktulya! Munjala was not himself sure that the ayanamsha correction suggested by him would hold correct for a long span of time! BHU in Varanasi and another university in Darbhanga are the only two universities/organizations, the world over that publish panchangas based on the Surya Sidhanta! And they also claim that it is with beeja corrections! However, they get the timings of Heliacal  rising and setting of planets apart from the timings of eclipses etc. from Positional Astronomy Centre, Kolkatta and they acknowledge the same in their panchangas! Swami Kannu Pillai’s Indian Ephemeris for several centuries in the past, that was based on the Surya Sidhanta, also was after beeja samskaras. And he has said it openly in his Preface of those ephemerides that he had worked the longitudes as per Ketakar Graha Ganitam! And those longitudes are so called nirayana---based on astronomical tables of overseas sources! Thus the aim of beeja corrections in the planetary longitudes of ancient sidhantas is to make them “drik-tulya†that is those “beeja samskrta†longitudes must tally exactly with the apparent phenomena! In other words, the longitudes of planets supplied from JPL/NASA are the most accurate “drik-tulya†longitudes, with the only difference that they are not based on the absolutely useless and wrong data of the Surya Sidhanta by Maya the mlechha but on real observations! The only confusion that “Vedic astrologers†are making worst confounded is by making yet another “beeja samskara†and that is ayanamsha tonsure! That way the “drik-tulya†longitudes remain neither real drik-tulya nor do they remain sidhantic nor Pauranic nor as per modern astronomy, and NOT EVEN AS PER PRIMARY SCHOOL LEVEL GEOGRAPHY! Kindly, therefore, use your good offices with jyotishis and ask them to desist from making a mockery of the sidhantas as well puranas and even modern astronomy by the ayanamsha mess---hundreds of them! Q.E.D (or is it QEF?) Jai Shri Ram A K Kaul PS Pl do not construe that I am advocating so called sayana longitudes. Astronomically and even as per the Vedas and the sidhantas and Puranas, the words Sayana and Nirayana and even ayanamsha do not exist at all. They are a post Munjala phenomenon! HinduCalendar] Re: Jyotishis Vs Shri Avtar Krishen Kaul - 2 Om Namaste to One & All. As AKKji wrote (see below), then why can't we go back to that Munjala's Laghumanasa corrected Panchaanga? ASharma. AKKji's Quote start: " Attempts were made to do “beeja correctionsâ€Â----a sinister word with an obnoxious meaning---in the Surya Sidhanta of Surya Bhagwan to some how or the other circumnavigate around the same SS calculations! Thus we find Brahmasphuta Sidhanta, Shishyadhivridhida etc. etc. sidhantas in the same vein. Munjala was the first Indian astronomer to understand the tragic state of affairs that the calculations of the SS were fundamentally wrong and he advised that the longitudes of the planets as per the Surya Sidhanta must be corrected by an amount of one arc-minute per year from Shaka 444 to make them tally with the exact phenomena. As per Alberuni’s India, we started celebrating festivals on correct days in India after Munjala’s Laghumanasa, since otherwise there was a difference of about one week between the dates of Makar Sankranti and Uttarayana. The Ayanamsha as per Munjala between Shaka 444 and Shaka 854, the gauge year of Munjala’s Laghumanasa, was 6° 50’ at the rate of 1’ per year. Thus after adding the ayanamsha of 6° 50’ to the surya Sidhanta longitudes of the sun, the Surya Sidhanta Makar Sankranti did actually coincide with Uttarayana i.e. Winter Solstice of Shaka 854 (932 AD). Similarly, the Vernal Equinox did coincide with Mesha Sankranti with that correction and so on. Alberuni has said in “Alberuni’s India†that Utpala of Kashmir had started making correct pancanga from Munjala’s Laghumanasa. We also learn from pages 50 and 51 of Laghumanasa of INSA edition that right from 930 AD through 1042 (Bhojaraja, a Parmara king of Dhara in Malava country, to Tamma Yajva (AD 1613) son of Mallaya Yajva, in his Grahaganita- bhastkara, all the Indian astronomers had used Munjala’s formula for finding the longitudes of plants etc. “Astronomer Achyuta of Kerala (died 1621), too has framed several of the rules given in his Karanottama on the model of those stated in the Laghumanasa†page 50 of Laghumanasa (INSA-1990). Thus whatever the “Vedic astrologers†right from Kashmir to Kerala or even Kanya Kumari may say today, whole of India was actually following a so called Sayana system, after making corrections of Munjala’s Ayanamsha in the Surya Sidhanta etc. sidhantas! It is only in around sixteenth/seventeen th century that tables got turned when the “great comet†of “Indian astrology†viz. Ganesha Daivajnya was born and he spawned the nastiest astronomical work known as Grahalaghava, that we are reeling under the so called nirayana and sayana confusion! " . Quote end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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