Fwd: Sri Mohan Krity Arsh Tithi Patrak -2067

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HinduCalendar , " Krishen " <jyotirved wrote:

 

 

 

Shri T. V. Sivaramanji,

 

Jai Shri Ram!

 

Your response to Shri Darshaney Lokeshji's Tithi-Patrak is quite

encouraging and heartening. Regarding your suggestion, " Meanwhile in

your latest 15th para after the sentence ....none of the nakshatras are

equal ... etc. i suggest you may add : " only 15 nakshatras are having

the span of 13 deg 20'. Six are of one and a half times higher than the

average span and six others have only fifty percent or the average span

and all these put togther and deducted from 360 degrees will be the

span of Abjit. " my views are:

 

Such a " system of nakshatra division " had been mentioned by Brahnmagupta

and has been discussed by Alberuni in his Alberuni's India. I

experimented with that system also but some of the Junction Stars, said

to be the mileposts of nakshatras, did not fall in that unequal division

either. As such, I left it at that. I am not very sure that alluding

to such a system will not create more acrimony than is already there for

the new nakshatra division especially since the mileposts cannot be

accommodated in the Brahmagupta's system either.

 

Besides, I am personally not sure at this stage about the veracity of

the nomenclature of Junction stars vis-a-vis their namesake nakshatra

divisions, since the earliest reference we find to these junction stars

is in the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha.

 

There is every possibility that he had taken those longitudes from the

work of Hipparchus etc. which may not necessarily have been those very

stars that the Vedic Seers had meant.

 

Regarding your suggestion, " Similarly you may mention : " In India the

saka era is more popular and this Patrak is using this era. Prabhavai

years are linked to Saka era but these years are linked to the movement

of Guru ( Juiter ) . Guru completes a rotation around the sun every 12

years and in the sixty year cycle it comes around 5 times. When it

transits the zodiac sign of Aquarius and when the sun enters Mesha then

Kumbha mela is celebrated at Haridwar. This famous Kumbha mela is shown

in the general erroneous panchangas to occur in 2010 when the Krodhi

samvastar previls and jupiter stays in Pisces "

 

there can be a small addition/correction in the sentence

 

" When it (Jupiter) transits actually the so called sayana Kumbha

Rashi/sign and when the sun enters so called sayana Mesha Rashi/sign

then and then only kumbha mela was celebrated at Haridwar in the past

as it has been thoroughly established that right from about first

century BC/AD till about sixteenth/seventeenth centuryAD, only so called

sayana rashis were followed in India . Therefore, this famous Kumbha

mela is shown in the so called nirayana panchangas, including the

Rashtirya panchanga, wrongly to occur in 2010 since Brihaspati was in

Sayana Kumbha Rashi at the time of the sun's ingress into sayana Mesha

Rashi on March 21, 2009. Brihaspait, on the other hand, will be in

(Sayana) Mina rashi in March 2010 and there cannot be, therefore, any

real Kumbha mela then i.e. in 2010 "

 

Jai Shri Ram

 

A K Kaul

 

HinduCalendar , darshaney lokesh

darshaneylokesh@ wrote:

>

> Dear TV Sivaraman ji,

> There seems nothig objectionable in accepting your suggession

in para 3 of your reply, hence accepted.

> But the matter of para 2nd is not correct, in fact. It is not

true to say that, " Only 15 nakshatras are having the span of 13 deg 20'.

Six are of one and a half times higher than the average span and six

others have only fifty percent or the average span and all these put

togther and deducted from 360 degrees will be the span of Abjit. "

> What I know, is that there is no nakshtra equal to the span of

13 degree and 20 minute.To suit the astrolgy this was an adjusting

calculation only. Such all adjustments have to be neglected and the

truth be brought forwarded please.

> Thanks.

>

Darshaney Lokesh.

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> SIVA EXPORIUM sivaexpo@

>

>

> Dear Darshaney Lokeshji:

> I received your latest mail effecting some corrections. I tried

to translate these into Tamil, but due to too technical words

> I feel it is better if a tamil translation is not used. As most

people who may use the Patrak can understand English it will not be

difficult. However I am attempting a near good translation and it would

take a few days.

> Meanwhile in your latest 15th para after the sentence ....none

of the nakshatras are equal ... etc. i suggest you may add : " only 15

nakshatras are having the span of 13 deg 20'. Six are of one and a half

times higher than the average span and six others have only fifty

percent or the average span and all these put togther and deducted from

360 degrees will be the span of Abjit. "

> Similarly you may mention : " In India the saka era is more

popular and this Patrak is using this era. Prabhavai years are linked to

Saka era but these years are linked to the movement of Guru ( Juiter )

.. Guru completes a rotation around the sun every 12 years and in the

sixty year cycle it comes around 5 times. When it transits the zodiac

sign of Aquarius and when the sun enters Mesha then Kumbha mela is

celebrated at Haridwar. This famous Kumbha mela is shown in the general

erroneous panchangas to occur in 2010 when the Krodhi samvastar previls

and jupiter stays in Pisces.

> What a travesty of the shastras. Also there is a difference of

14 years in the prabhavati years used between north and south India.

This has caused due to the error in initial fixation. This has been

corrected in our Patrak and therefore for all India 25th day of Madhu

(March16, 2010 ) will be the commencement of Krodhi samvatsar.

> I am also attaching your latest mail after spelling corrections

including in the table. The repetition of the word Gatey in the table

has been removed.

>

> Best regards - T.V.Sivaraman

>

>

> India has a new look. Take a sneak peek

http://in./trynew

>

 

--- End forwarded message ---

[Guest guest]

HinduCalendar , " Krishen " <jyotirved wrote:

 

 

 

Shri T. V. Sivaramanji,

 

Jai Shri Ram!

 

Your response to Shri Darshaney Lokeshji's Tithi-Patrak is quite

encouraging and heartening. Regarding your suggestion, " Meanwhile in

your latest 15th para after the sentence ....none of the nakshatras are

equal ... etc. i suggest you may add : " only 15 nakshatras are having

the span of 13 deg 20'. Six are of one and a half times higher than the

average span and six others have only fifty percent or the average span

and all these put togther and deducted from 360 degrees will be the

span of Abjit. " my views are:

 

Such a " system of nakshatra division " had been mentioned by Brahnmagupta

and has been discussed by Alberuni in his Alberuni's India. I

experimented with that system also but some of the Junction Stars, said

to be the mileposts of nakshatras, did not fall in that unequal division

either. As such, I left it at that. I am not very sure that alluding

to such a system will not create more acrimony than is already there for

the new nakshatra division especially since the mileposts cannot be

accommodated in the Brahmagupta's system either.

 

Besides, I am personally not sure at this stage about the veracity of

the nomenclature of Junction stars vis-a-vis their namesake nakshatra

divisions, since the earliest reference we find to these junction stars

is in the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha.

 

There is every possibility that he had taken those longitudes from the

work of Hipparchus etc. which may not necessarily have been those very

stars that the Vedic Seers had meant.

 

Regarding your suggestion, " Similarly you may mention : " In India the

saka era is more popular and this Patrak is using this era. Prabhavai

years are linked to Saka era but these years are linked to the movement

of Guru ( Juiter ) . Guru completes a rotation around the sun every 12

years and in the sixty year cycle it comes around 5 times. When it

transits the zodiac sign of Aquarius and when the sun enters Mesha then

Kumbha mela is celebrated at Haridwar. This famous Kumbha mela is shown

in the general erroneous panchangas to occur in 2010 when the Krodhi

samvastar previls and jupiter stays in Pisces "

 

there can be a small addition/correction in the sentence

 

" When it (Jupiter) transits actually the so called sayana Kumbha

Rashi/sign and when the sun enters so called sayana Mesha Rashi/sign

then and then only kumbha mela was celebrated at Haridwar in the past

as it has been thoroughly established that right from about first

century BC/AD till about sixteenth/seventeenth centuryAD, only so called

sayana rashis were followed in India . Therefore, this famous Kumbha

mela is shown in the so called nirayana panchangas, including the

Rashtirya panchanga, wrongly to occur in 2010 since Brihaspati was in

Sayana Kumbha Rashi at the time of the sun's ingress into sayana Mesha

Rashi on March 21, 2009. Brihaspait, on the other hand, will be in

(Sayana) Mina rashi in March 2010 and there cannot be, therefore, any

real Kumbha mela then i.e. in 2010 "

 

Jai Shri Ram

 

A K Kaul

 

HinduCalendar , darshaney lokesh

darshaneylokesh@ wrote:

>

> Dear TV Sivaraman ji,

> There seems nothig objectionable in accepting your suggession

in para 3 of your reply, hence accepted.

> But the matter of para 2nd is not correct, in fact. It is not

true to say that, " Only 15 nakshatras are having the span of 13 deg 20'.

Six are of one and a half times higher than the average span and six

others have only fifty percent or the average span and all these put

togther and deducted from 360 degrees will be the span of Abjit. "

> What I know, is that there is no nakshtra equal to the span of

13 degree and 20 minute.To suit the astrolgy this was an adjusting

calculation only. Such all adjustments have to be neglected and the

truth be brought forwarded please.

> Thanks.

>

Darshaney Lokesh.

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> SIVA EXPORIUM sivaexpo@

>

>

> Dear Darshaney Lokeshji:

> I received your latest mail effecting some corrections. I tried

to translate these into Tamil, but due to too technical words

> I feel it is better if a tamil translation is not used. As most

people who may use the Patrak can understand English it will not be

difficult. However I am attempting a near good translation and it would

take a few days.

> Meanwhile in your latest 15th para after the sentence ....none

of the nakshatras are equal ... etc. i suggest you may add : " only 15

nakshatras are having the span of 13 deg 20'. Six are of one and a half

times higher than the average span and six others have only fifty

percent or the average span and all these put togther and deducted from

360 degrees will be the span of Abjit. "

> Similarly you may mention : " In India the saka era is more

popular and this Patrak is using this era. Prabhavai years are linked to

Saka era but these years are linked to the movement of Guru ( Juiter )

.. Guru completes a rotation around the sun every 12 years and in the

sixty year cycle it comes around 5 times. When it transits the zodiac

sign of Aquarius and when the sun enters Mesha then Kumbha mela is

celebrated at Haridwar. This famous Kumbha mela is shown in the general

erroneous panchangas to occur in 2010 when the Krodhi samvastar previls

and jupiter stays in Pisces.

> What a travesty of the shastras. Also there is a difference of

14 years in the prabhavati years used between north and south India.

This has caused due to the error in initial fixation. This has been

corrected in our Patrak and therefore for all India 25th day of Madhu

(March16, 2010 ) will be the commencement of Krodhi samvatsar.

> I am also attaching your latest mail after spelling corrections

including in the table. The repetition of the word Gatey in the table

has been removed.

>

> Best regards - T.V.Sivaraman

>

>

> India has a new look. Take a sneak peek

http://in./trynew

>

 

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