Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 HinduCalendar , SIVA EXPORIUM <sivaexpo wrote: - aareni hinducivilization Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:26 PM [hc] Re: new vedic panchanga Good Luck! What you say is correct. At least some of the errors should be corrected. I am in particular referring to UttarAyaNa PuNyakAla which has to coincide with the onset of the northern movement of Sun which happens around 22 December and not on 14th January. This would set right the other three important solar points and the monthly SankramaNa. Apart from errors in religious observances, farmers following the rainy asterisms (Sun's position among the stars)for seed sowing are misled by the current almanacs. There is an error of about three weeks which is too large a margin in agricultural operations. RN Iyengar hinducivilization , SIVA EXPORIUM <sivaexpo wrote: > > Should we continue to celebrate all our festivals on wrong days? > > > > Do you know that we Hindus are celebrating all our festivals now on wrong dates? Do you know that when you are said to be born under a particular star ( nakshatra), actually your birth star may be some thing else and not the one you are supposed to have been born under? Do you realise that due to such a discrepancy in taking correct star (nakshatra ), we are unable to select a proper muhurth for any purpose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 HinduCalendar , SIVA EXPORIUM <sivaexpo wrote: - aareni <HinduCalendar/post?postID=AaiAWJfHpsttLVcTOfX r-cNp4GRO3LFKV0Fs1j2vWqi7WFkyQYIs4aBt3XoiChP9h6s3ZMBi-Zc18vU> hinducivilization <HinduCalendar/post?postID=7REaWjWJdC4z-LhwHej q3ESw1cWdLUAUggvzf40PDEicH9YvTg222TSSnX6L3NLIGK4oqIHS6HOP3dENk4ty9pbS426I3ba EcEIr> Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:26 PM [hc] Re: new vedic panchanga Good Luck! What you say is correct. At least some of the errors should be corrected. I am in particular referring to UttarAyaNa PuNyakAla which has to coincide with the onset of the northern movement of Sun which happens around 22 December and not on 14th January. This would set right the other three important solar points and the monthly SankramaNa. Apart from errors in religious observances, farmers following the rainy asterisms (Sun's position among the stars)for seed sowing are misled by the current almanacs. There is an error of about three weeks which is too large a margin in agricultural operations. RN Iyengar hinducivilization <HinduCalendar/post?postID=zi-WHJAQMHFEJabkQc4 z9q8hv18c_3XDCq_hest-cptvFjaQLzbv87g9g2Hm3wwQpRzAchjeE77QPxpJA_-gmoOXSmiAWnh Wtbg> , SIVA EXPORIUM <sivaexpo wrote: > > Should we continue to celebrate all our festivals on wrong days? > > > > Do you know that we Hindus are celebrating all our festivals now on wrong dates? Do you know that when you are said to be born under a particular star ( nakshatra), actually your birth star may be some thing else and not the one you are supposed to have been born under? Do you realise that due to such a discrepancy in taking correct star (nakshatra ), we are unable to select a proper muhurth for any purpose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Dear friends, Jyotirved has failed to give reference to Makar Rekha in ancient Indian texts and this is his usual practice. He makes unsubstantiated statements. At least he could have told the name of the text and there is no need to quote the exact verse, if it was a fact. Now kindly look at the following well-meant suggestion of Dr. R.N.Iyengar, with all the seriousness it deserves.. In our calendar we give the dates for the day of Ganesh Jayanti as well as for the Ganesh Chaturthi. So also we can give include the date of Uttarayana Punyakala on the shortest day in December along with the usual day of Makar Sankranti in January when the Sun enters the Makar Rashi. The December date can be called Uttarayana Punyakala or should we call it Surya Jayanti? What does Dr. iyengar say? The Romans were observing the birthday of Mitra (the Sungod) on the Winter Solstice day. One Roman emperor decided to please the Christians by observing the birth day of Jesus Christ on that day though Jesus Christ was born about three months earlier. That is how the Christmas came to be observed around that time. The Hindus will be able to observe the Winter Solstice day (ie. the Uttarayana punyakala) almost at the time the Christians are observing their Christmas. It will be nice if the Government authorities will also declare the Uttarayana punyakala as a holiday. Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Wed, 11/18/09, jyotirved <jyotirved wrote: jyotirved <jyotirved Fw: [hc] Re: new vedic panchanga Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 7:23 AM  HinduCalendar, SIVA EXPORIUM <sivaexpo@.. .> wrote: - aareni <http://groups. / group/HinduCalen dar/post? postID=AaiAWJfHp sttLVcTOfX r-cNp4GRO3LFKV0Fs1j 2vWqi7WFkyQYIs4a Bt3XoiChP9h6s3ZM Bi-Zc18vU> hinducivilization <http://groups. / group/HinduCalen dar/post? postID=7REaWjWJd C4z-LhwHej q3ESw1cWdLUAUggvzf4 0PDEicH9YvTg222T SSnX6L3NLIGK4oqI HS6HOP3dENk4ty9p bS426I3ba EcEIr> Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:26 PM [hc] Re: new vedic panchanga Good Luck! What you say is correct. At least some of the errors should be corrected. I am in particular referring to UttarAyaNa PuNyakAla which has to coincide with the onset of the northern movement of Sun which happens around 22 December and not on 14th January. This would set right the other three important solar points and the monthly SankramaNa. Apart from errors in religious observances, farmers following the rainy asterisms (Sun's position among the stars)for seed sowing are misled by the current almanacs. There is an error of about three weeks which is too large a margin in agricultural operations. RN Iyengar hinducivilization <http://groups. / group/HinduCalen dar/post? postID=zi- WHJAQMHFEJabkQc4 z9q8hv18c_3XDCq_ hest-cptvFjaQLzb v87g9g2Hm3wwQpRz AchjeE77QPxpJA_ -gmoOXSmiAWnh Wtbg> , SIVA EXPORIUM <sivaexpo@.. .> wrote: > > Should we continue to celebrate all our festivals on wrong days? > > > > Do you know that we Hindus are celebrating all our festivals now on wrong dates? Do you know that when you are said to be born under a particular star ( nakshatra), actually your birth star may be some thing else and not the one you are supposed to have been born under? Do you realise that due to such a discrepancy in taking correct star (nakshatra ), we are unable to select a proper muhurth for any purpose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Dear friends, Jyotirved has failed to give reference to Makar Rekha in ancient Indian texts and this is his usual practice. He makes unsubstantiated statements. At least he could have told the name of the text and there is no need to quote the exact verse, if it was a fact. Now kindly look at the following well-meant suggestion of Dr. R.N.Iyengar, with all the seriousness it deserves.. In our calendar we give the dates for the day of Ganesh Jayanti as well as for the Ganesh Chaturthi. So also we can give include the date of Uttarayana Punyakala on the shortest day in December along with the usual day of Makar Sankranti in January when the Sun enters the Makar Rashi. The December date can be called Uttarayana Punyakala or should we call it Surya Jayanti? What does Dr. iyengar say? The Romans were observing the birthday of Mitra (the Sungod) on the Winter Solstice day. One Roman emperor decided to please the Christians by observing the birth day of Jesus Christ on that day though Jesus Christ was born about three months earlier. That is how the Christmas came to be observed around that time. The Hindus will be able to observe the Winter Solstice day (ie. the Uttarayana punyakala) almost at the time the Christians are observing their Christmas. It will be nice if the Government authorities will also declare the Uttarayana punyakala as a holiday. Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Wed, 11/18/09, jyotirved <jyotirved wrote: jyotirved <jyotirved Fw: [hc] Re: new vedic panchanga Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 7:23 AM  HinduCalendar, SIVA EXPORIUM <sivaexpo@.. .> wrote: - aareni <http://groups. / group/HinduCalen dar/post? postID=AaiAWJfHp sttLVcTOfX r-cNp4GRO3LFKV0Fs1j 2vWqi7WFkyQYIs4a Bt3XoiChP9h6s3ZM Bi-Zc18vU> hinducivilization <http://groups. / group/HinduCalen dar/post? postID=7REaWjWJd C4z-LhwHej q3ESw1cWdLUAUggvzf4 0PDEicH9YvTg222T SSnX6L3NLIGK4oqI HS6HOP3dENk4ty9p bS426I3ba EcEIr> Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:26 PM [hc] Re: new vedic panchanga Good Luck! What you say is correct. At least some of the errors should be corrected. I am in particular referring to UttarAyaNa PuNyakAla which has to coincide with the onset of the northern movement of Sun which happens around 22 December and not on 14th January. This would set right the other three important solar points and the monthly SankramaNa. Apart from errors in religious observances, farmers following the rainy asterisms (Sun's position among the stars)for seed sowing are misled by the current almanacs. There is an error of about three weeks which is too large a margin in agricultural operations. RN Iyengar hinducivilization <http://groups. / group/HinduCalen dar/post? postID=zi- WHJAQMHFEJabkQc4 z9q8hv18c_3XDCq_ hest-cptvFjaQLzb v87g9g2Hm3wwQpRz AchjeE77QPxpJA_ -gmoOXSmiAWnh Wtbg> , SIVA EXPORIUM <sivaexpo@.. .> wrote: > > Should we continue to celebrate all our festivals on wrong days? > > > > Do you know that we Hindus are celebrating all our festivals now on wrong dates? Do you know that when you are said to be born under a particular star ( nakshatra), actually your birth star may be some thing else and not the one you are supposed to have been born under? Do you realise that due to such a discrepancy in taking correct star (nakshatra ), we are unable to select a proper muhurth for any purpose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Sunil-da, Many modern jyotishis, unless they are into religious services aspect of astrology (and karma-kandi priests using muhurta etc which are personal practices, hardly documented, validated or proven...) do not waste their time with many of these panchaanga things! RR_, vedic astrology , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > Dear friends, > > Jyotirved has failed to give reference to Makar Rekha in ancient Indian texts and this is his usual practice. He makes unsubstantiated statements. At least he could have told the name of the text and there is no need to quote the exact verse, if it was a fact. > > Now kindly look at the following well-meant suggestion of Dr. R.N.Iyengar, with all the seriousness it deserves.. > > In our calendar we give the dates for the day of Ganesh Jayanti as well as for the Ganesh Chaturthi. So also we can give include the date of Uttarayana Punyakala on the shortest day in December along with the usual day of Makar Sankranti in January when the Sun enters the Makar Rashi. > > The December date can be called Uttarayana Punyakala or should we call it Surya Jayanti? What does Dr. iyengar say? The Romans were observing the birthday of Mitra (the Sungod) on the Winter Solstice day. One Roman emperor decided to please the Christians by observing the birth day of Jesus Christ on that day though Jesus Christ was born about three months earlier. That is how the Christmas came to be observed around that time. The Hindus will be able to observe the Winter Solstice day (ie. the Uttarayana punyakala) almost at the time the Christians are observing their Christmas. It will be nice if the Government authorities will also declare the Uttarayana punyakala as a holiday. > > Regards, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > --- On Wed, 11/18/09, jyotirved <jyotirved wrote: > > jyotirved <jyotirved > Fw: [hc] Re: new vedic panchanga > > Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 7:23 AM >  > > > HinduCalendar, SIVA EXPORIUM <sivaexpo@ .> wrote: > > > > - > > > > aareni > > <http://groups. / group/HinduCalen dar/post? postID=AaiAWJfHp sttLVcTOfX > > r-cNp4GRO3LFKV0Fs1j 2vWqi7WFkyQYIs4a Bt3XoiChP9h6s3ZM Bi-Zc18vU> > > > > hinducivilization > > <http://groups. / group/HinduCalen dar/post? postID=7REaWjWJd C4z-LhwHej > > q3ESw1cWdLUAUggvzf4 0PDEicH9YvTg222T SSnX6L3NLIGK4oqI HS6HOP3dENk4ty9p bS426I3ba > > EcEIr> > > > > Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:26 PM > > > > [hc] Re: new vedic panchanga > > > > Good Luck! What you say is correct. At least some of the errors should be > > corrected. I am in particular referring to UttarAyaNa PuNyakAla which has to > > coincide with the onset of the northern movement of Sun which happens around > > 22 December and not on 14th January. This would set right the other three > > important solar points and the monthly SankramaNa. Apart from errors in > > religious observances, farmers following the rainy asterisms (Sun's position > > among the stars)for seed sowing are misled by the current almanacs. There is > > an error of about three weeks which is too large a margin in agricultural > > operations. > > > > RN Iyengar > > > > hinducivilization > > <http://groups. / group/HinduCalen dar/post? postID=zi- WHJAQMHFEJabkQc4 > > z9q8hv18c_3XDCq_ hest-cptvFjaQLzb v87g9g2Hm3wwQpRz AchjeE77QPxpJA_ -gmoOXSmiAWnh > > Wtbg> , SIVA EXPORIUM <sivaexpo@ .> wrote: > > > > > > Should we continue to celebrate all our festivals on wrong days? > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you know that we Hindus are celebrating all our festivals now on wrong > > dates? Do you know that when you are said to be born under a particular star > > ( nakshatra), actually your birth star may be some thing else and not the > > one you are supposed to have been born under? Do you realise that due to > > such a discrepancy in taking correct star (nakshatra ), we are unable to > > select a proper muhurth for any purpose? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 I fully agree Rohini but Kaulian anti-astrology tirade is continuing unabated in the jyotish group and how will the jyotishis remain undisturbed. My humble effort is to make them see reason and nothing more. SKB --- On Fri, 11/20/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani [vedic astrology] Fw: [hc] Re: new vedic panchanga vedic astrology Friday, November 20, 2009, 10:41 PM  Sunil-da, Many modern jyotishis, unless they are into religious services aspect of astrology (and karma-kandi priests using muhurta etc which are personal practices, hardly documented, validated or proven...) do not waste their time with many of these panchaanga things! RR_, vedic astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > Dear friends, > > Jyotirved has failed to give reference to Makar Rekha in ancient Indian texts and this is his usual practice. He makes unsubstantiated statements. At least he could have told the name of the text and there is no need to quote the exact verse, if it was a fact. > > Now kindly look at the following well-meant suggestion of Dr. R.N.Iyengar, with all the seriousness it deserves.. > > In our calendar we give the dates for the day of Ganesh Jayanti as well as for the Ganesh Chaturthi. So also we can give include the date of Uttarayana Punyakala on the shortest day in December along with the usual day of Makar Sankranti in January when the Sun enters the Makar Rashi. > > The December date can be called Uttarayana Punyakala or should we call it Surya Jayanti? What does Dr. iyengar say? The Romans were observing the birthday of Mitra (the Sungod) on the Winter Solstice day. One Roman emperor decided to please the Christians by observing the birth day of Jesus Christ on that day though Jesus Christ was born about three months earlier. That is how the Christmas came to be observed around that time. The Hindus will be able to observe the Winter Solstice day (ie. the Uttarayana punyakala) almost at the time the Christians are observing their Christmas. It will be nice if the Government authorities will also declare the Uttarayana punyakala as a holiday. > > Regards, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > --- On Wed, 11/18/09, jyotirved <jyotirved@. ..> wrote: > > jyotirved <jyotirved@. ..> > Fw: [hc] Re: new vedic panchanga > > Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 7:23 AM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > HinduCalendar, SIVA EXPORIUM <sivaexpo@ .> wrote: > > > > - > > > > aareni > > <http://groups. / group/HinduCalen dar/post? postID=AaiAWJfHp sttLVcTOfX > > r-cNp4GRO3LFKV0Fs1j 2vWqi7WFkyQYIs4a Bt3XoiChP9h6s3ZM Bi-Zc18vU> > > > > hinducivilization > > <http://groups. / group/HinduCalen dar/post? postID=7REaWjWJd C4z-LhwHej > > q3ESw1cWdLUAUggvzf4 0PDEicH9YvTg222T SSnX6L3NLIGK4oqI HS6HOP3dENk4ty9p bS426I3ba > > EcEIr> > > > > Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:26 PM > > > > [hc] Re: new vedic panchanga > > > > Good Luck! What you say is correct. At least some of the errors should be > > corrected. I am in particular referring to UttarAyaNa PuNyakAla which has to > > coincide with the onset of the northern movement of Sun which happens around > > 22 December and not on 14th January. This would set right the other three > > important solar points and the monthly SankramaNa. Apart from errors in > > religious observances, farmers following the rainy asterisms (Sun's position > > among the stars)for seed sowing are misled by the current almanacs. There is > > an error of about three weeks which is too large a margin in agricultural > > operations. > > > > RN Iyengar > > > > hinducivilization > > <http://groups. / group/HinduCalen dar/post? postID=zi- WHJAQMHFEJabkQc4 > > z9q8hv18c_3XDCq_ hest-cptvFjaQLzb v87g9g2Hm3wwQpRz AchjeE77QPxpJA_ -gmoOXSmiAWnh > > Wtbg> , SIVA EXPORIUM <sivaexpo@ .> wrote: > > > > > > Should we continue to celebrate all our festivals on wrong days? > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you know that we Hindus are celebrating all our festivals now on wrong > > dates? Do you know that when you are said to be born under a particular star > > ( nakshatra), actually your birth star may be some thing else and not the > > one you are supposed to have been born under? Do you realise that due to > > such a discrepancy in taking correct star (nakshatra ), we are unable to > > select a proper muhurth for any purpose? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 Dear Sunil-da, Astrology is more than 100 years old, right? Neither the opponents nor the proponents of astrology on this forum or anywhere on internet are 100 year old or even close! India is one of the most vibrant and dynamic test-beds in recent hundrends of years! Despite of being attacked, ruled and plundered by not one or two but FEW foreign 'presences' for hundreds of years, a *distinctive* Indian culture EXISTS and PREVAILS! Interestingly, the world may not have been impressed by our science or technology but when it comes to the Universal Function of MA (Mother), the entire world has been taken over by cuisine! From the two most ancient people and cultures: Chinese and Indian! And Italian too, but they imported their pasta from Ancient China ;-) I think the original saying is: Feed them fish a few times, and once they have learned the benefits of fish, teach them how to fish responsibly so that THEY do not overfish and deplete their natural pantry and shoot themselves in the foot! Very true for Jyotish too! RR_, vedic astrology , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > I fully agree Rohini but Kaulian anti-astrology tirade is continuing unabated in the jyotish group and how will the jyotishis remain undisturbed. My humble effort is to make them see reason and nothing more. > > SKB > > --- On Fri, 11/20/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > [vedic astrology] Fw: [hc] Re: new vedic panchanga > vedic astrology > Friday, November 20, 2009, 10:41 PM >  > > > Sunil-da, > > > > Many modern jyotishis, unless they are into religious services aspect of astrology (and karma-kandi priests using muhurta etc which are personal practices, hardly documented, validated or proven...) do not waste their time with many of these panchaanga things! > > > > RR_, > > > > vedic astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > Jyotirved has failed to give reference to Makar Rekha in ancient Indian texts and this is his usual practice. He makes unsubstantiated statements. At least he could have told the name of the text and there is no need to quote the exact verse, if it was a fact. > > > > > > Now kindly look at the following well-meant suggestion of Dr. R.N.Iyengar, with all the seriousness it deserves.. > > > > > > In our calendar we give the dates for the day of Ganesh Jayanti as well as for the Ganesh Chaturthi. So also we can give include the date of Uttarayana Punyakala on the shortest day in December along with the usual day of Makar Sankranti in January when the Sun enters the Makar Rashi. > > > > > > The December date can be called Uttarayana Punyakala or should we call it Surya Jayanti? What does Dr. iyengar say? The Romans were observing the birthday of Mitra (the Sungod) on the Winter Solstice day. One Roman emperor decided to please the Christians by observing the birth day of Jesus Christ on that day though Jesus Christ was born about three months earlier. That is how the Christmas came to be observed around that time. The Hindus will be able to observe the Winter Solstice day (ie. the Uttarayana punyakala) almost at the time the Christians are observing their Christmas. It will be nice if the Government authorities will also declare the Uttarayana punyakala as a holiday. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 11/18/09, jyotirved <jyotirved@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > jyotirved <jyotirved@ ..> > > > Fw: [hc] Re: new vedic panchanga > > > > > > Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 7:23 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HinduCalendar, SIVA EXPORIUM <sivaexpo@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > aareni > > > > > > <http://groups. / group/HinduCalen dar/post? postID=AaiAWJfHp sttLVcTOfX > > > > > > r-cNp4GRO3LFKV0Fs1j 2vWqi7WFkyQYIs4a Bt3XoiChP9h6s3ZM Bi-Zc18vU> > > > > > > > > > > > > hinducivilization > > > > > > <http://groups. / group/HinduCalen dar/post? postID=7REaWjWJd C4z-LhwHej > > > > > > q3ESw1cWdLUAUggvzf4 0PDEicH9YvTg222T SSnX6L3NLIGK4oqI HS6HOP3dENk4ty9p bS426I3ba > > > > > > EcEIr> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:26 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > [hc] Re: new vedic panchanga > > > > > > > > > > > > Good Luck! What you say is correct. At least some of the errors should be > > > > > > corrected. I am in particular referring to UttarAyaNa PuNyakAla which has to > > > > > > coincide with the onset of the northern movement of Sun which happens around > > > > > > 22 December and not on 14th January. This would set right the other three > > > > > > important solar points and the monthly SankramaNa. Apart from errors in > > > > > > religious observances, farmers following the rainy asterisms (Sun's position > > > > > > among the stars)for seed sowing are misled by the current almanacs. There is > > > > > > an error of about three weeks which is too large a margin in agricultural > > > > > > operations. > > > > > > > > > > > > RN Iyengar > > > > > > > > > > > > hinducivilization > > > > > > <http://groups. / group/HinduCalen dar/post? postID=zi- WHJAQMHFEJabkQc4 > > > > > > z9q8hv18c_3XDCq_ hest-cptvFjaQLzb v87g9g2Hm3wwQpRz AchjeE77QPxpJA_ -gmoOXSmiAWnh > > > > > > Wtbg> , SIVA EXPORIUM <sivaexpo@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should we continue to celebrate all our festivals on wrong days? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you know that we Hindus are celebrating all our festivals now on wrong > > > > > > dates? Do you know that when you are said to be born under a particular star > > > > > > ( nakshatra), actually your birth star may be some thing else and not the > > > > > > one you are supposed to have been born under? Do you realise that due to > > > > > > such a discrepancy in taking correct star (nakshatra ), we are unable to > > > > > > select a proper muhurth for any purpose? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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