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I " read " ........book ....the gnostic circle............

 

The cosmic evolution of the individual.........!!!!!!!!?????

 

That was many years ago.......

Some claim of the re-embodiment of...... " whomever " .........

 

How do we know?????????

 

Syama 

 

--- On Wed, 11/18/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

 

 

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya

[vedic astrology] Re: Re: The Views of Patrizia

Norelli-Bachelet

 

Cc: , vedic astrology

Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 7:03 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Harimallaji,

 

Please keep your hypocrisy to yourself. Did you send the scanned copy of the

that Kaundinya acharyaji's commentary on the commentary of Somakara to the

Jyotishgroup. On the contrary you sent that to your friend Kaul's group. I know

more about the works of the great scholars Bal Gangadhar tilakTilak and Shankar

Balakrishna Dixit than you do.

 

I respect the great scholarship of  Tilak and admire his numerous valuable

contributions such as the recovering of the lost verse of the Sankhya Karika,

his book Gita Rahashya and  the Orion, yet I reject his theory on the Arctic

home of the Aryans. The present day scholars also do not agree with Tilak's view

on that. Let us not forget that Tilak would have revised some of his views

himself if he woiuld have been alive today becaues he was a lover of truth. So

also is the case of Dixit. If he would have been alive today  he too would have

revised some of his ideas. The souls of both Tilak and Dixit will condemn those,

who blindly stick to those ideas, which they would have rejected themselves

today in the light of the vast amount of archaeological and other sciebtific

findings.

 

These two great scholars never talked about compromise. Learn from them these

good things. Truth cannot be twisted. One must admit what is the truth. Only

when one's own life is in danger and when one tells a joke then and then only

one is allowed  to speak an untruth . and not otherwise. Only crooks talk of

compromising truth where is no need to as they do it for their own ulterior

motives.

 

Sincerely,

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

--- On Wed, 11/18/09, hari <harimalla@rocketmai l.com> wrote:

 

hari <harimalla@rocketmai l.com>

Re: The Views of Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet

 

Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 4:27 AM

 

 

 

Dear Bhattacharyaji,

 

Please read over the discussion of the two camps represented by Shankar BK Dixit

and Balagangadhar Tilak in the nineteenth century, before you give your amateur

comments. These men were very respected men of their times. Their views is dealt

by Shakar Balakrishna Dixit in his Bharatiya jyotish. Please, first know the

views of experts before passing comments.Let us see what they had said. It is

very much necessary to study their above discussions. I hope you have the

book.If not I can send the scanned pages.

 

The two camps they represented have not succeeded so far to make progress any

further. How long do you want the dead lock to continue? So it is better to

compromise so that both the camps are adequetly represented in our present

decision and settle the issue for good.

 

Regards,

 

Hari Malla

 

, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy

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> Chaitra cannot be any other month as it is linked to the Chitra nakshatra. No

change of name either of the nakshatra or of the month is possible. Only an

utterly ignorant person will say so. But seeing their adamance it appears that

these people have some ulterior motives for demanding the changa of name of the

months and of the nakshatras.  These adamant people are not willing to accept

the other available ways.

 

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> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

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> The intention of PNB may be correct as far as our calenar has gone out of

tract. But taking the sayan system is not a vedic suggestion, it is the

Gregorian suggestion. The vedic suggestion would be to maintain the nirayan

saytem and yet reform our calendar the vedic way.

 

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> This can easily be done by shifting our time frame by one whole month, so that

our present Chaitra becoems the new Vaisakh or the present Meen sankranti

becomes the new epochal Mesh sankranti. By this way the calendar is both

reformed and the current nirayan system remains as it is. This method is the

coordination of the concepts of two stalwarts of the nieteeth century- Bala

ganagdhar Tilak and Shakar BK Dikshit.

 

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Bachelet(PNB) and her views on astrology ? She advocates the Sayana Tropical

Zodiac as the correct system. She traces the problems of India to a faulty

calender and states rectification of it will make us perceive the Cosmic

Harmonies which will bring forth the Satya Yuga the Age of Truth. What has been

lost is the perfect measure of Time which needs to be retrieved. A resetting of

the cosmic clock is necessary according to her for us to See the Truth.

 

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21 December on Winter Solstice day,the shortest day of the year. But the current

Nirayana system celebrates it 23 days later.

 

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Shri Sunil Bhattacharjyaji,

Jai Shri Ram!

< In the Brahmana of the Veda we find that at one time

the Mahashivaratri fell on the start of the Uttarayana, ie. on the first day of

the seasonal month of Tapas>

You are again requested to please give the exact references,

quoting the exact relevant mantras with their translation.  You have already

been requested several times for this information, but you are dodging the

question again and again.  Could it be that your memory is not serving you

properly here also, just as it did not serve you in case of INSA edition of the

VJ regarding the rashi mantra, that it had termed as noting but spurious or

your confusing Chaukhamba edition of Yogavasishtha as Gita Press edition!

 

<Darshaneyji, in spite of his good intentions proposed

that in 2010 it should be celebrated in 12 tapasya, which defies all logic.>

As per Shiva Mahapurana and Linga Purana etc., Maha

Shivaratri is to be celebrated on nisheetha vyapini chaturdashi of Magha (Gauna

Phallguna) Krishna paksha.  Magha Shukla Paksha starts with the first New Moon

after Uttarayana, and that is on January 16, 2010.  Magha  (Gauna Phalguna) Krishna

Paksha starts on January 31, 2010.  Accordingly, nisheetha vyapini chaturdashi

is on 12th of February, 2010, which corresponds to 23rd of Tapasya, and not

12th of Tapasya, as erroneously (some memory problem again?!) pointed out by

you!  So the Tithi_patrak of Shri Darshaney Lokesh  showing Mahashivaratri on

February 12, 2010 is quite correct!

 

Perhaps it may be news to you that in 2010, even

Lahiri-walas (including you!) will celebrate Mahashivaratri    on February 12

which is 23rd of Tapasya!  Why don't you muster some courage to castigate your

fellow Lahiriwalas and admonish them from celebrating Mahasivaratri after two

months of Utarayana, i.e. Winter Solstice Day, when it should be celebrated

according to you.

Regarding precession vis-a-vis, Uttarayana, I suggest you

read some books on astronomy and then only enter into discussion on such topics

as otherwise it is just a wastage of time.

Jai Shri Ram!

A K Kaul

, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

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> Uttarayana means the period of six month of the

northern course of the Sun.  The Makar Sankranti is observed in Uttarayana

even now though the start of the Uttarayana is before the Makar sankranti.

During the period of Vedanga Jyotisha the Uttarayana started in the first haif

of the Dhanistha Nakshatra ie. it occurred in the end of the Makar Rashi. Thus

at  that time the Makar Sankramana occurred before the start of the

Uttarayana. Once explained a school boy will understand this and I hope this

will not be difficult for you to understand.

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> We don't have to shift anything. We have only to

recognise what is what. Now the Uttarayana starts when the Sun is in the Dhanu

Rashi, ie. before the Makar Sankranti. In Varahamihira's time the Uttarayana

started in the beginning of the Makar Rashi. Ask any astronomer and he will

confirm this. Varahamihira did not have to change anything except changing the

mindset of the (intellectually) blind people.

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> In the Brahmana of the Veda we find that at one time

the Mahashivaratri fell on the start of the Uttarayana, ie. on the first day of

the seasonal month of Tapas (and the astronomers will tell you that this time 

period was in the third millennium BCE). These days it does not fall on the day

of the start of Uttarayana. Ask the schoolboy (whom if you explain the above

concept of Uttarayana) and he will tell you that in the Vedic reference the

calendar followed for the Mahashivaratri was the Sidereal calendar and not the

Seasonal calendar. Darshaneyji, in spite of his good intentions prposed that in

2010 it should be celebrated in 12 tapasya, which defies all logic. It is

neither according the Seasonal calendar nor according to the Sidereal calendar.

If he strictly follows the Seasonal calendar then he should ask people to

celebrate the Mahashivaratri on the Winter solstice day by quoting the 

precedence in the Veda. Hope this will not be difficult for

>  you to undertand this.

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pretending not to understand all these? If so please do not pretend and do not

continue this unnnecessary mails so that the Jyotishis do not get disturbed in

their main task of jyotish-discussions.  I hope you do not like to make

unsubstantiated statements like Shri Kaul, who short-sightaedy does all that

just trying to win an argument.

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> Sincerely,

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> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

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> --- On Sat, 11/21/09, hari <harimalla wrote:

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> hari <harimalla

> Re: The Views of Patrizia

Norelli-Bachelet

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> Dear Bhatachryaji,

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> Can you please explain what is meant by 'utttayan

occurs when sun is in dhanistha or sun is in makar sanrkanti' at different

times of our history.If they could be separated what was the necessity to shift

the nirayan utttaryan from sun in dhanistha to sun in makar sankranti. If

acoording to you indepeendant existaence of the two was OK, we could have as

well continued with sun in dhanistha position of uttrayan even today. Why do

you think they shifted it to makar sankranti as mentioned by Barhamihir.What

was the need if your independant theory of sayan and nirayan was acceptable.

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with winter solstice at all.That may have been an old concept which has no

bearing today. At present Shivaratri is at the mid point between winter

solstice,which is Poush purnima(designated by start of maagha snana) and spring

equinox which is Chaitra purnima (designated by Vaisakh snana).

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concepts are not needed then please explain why  Vedanga jyotish had to

coordinate the sun in dhanistha position, uttarayan and also maagha sukla

pratipada together into one by thesixth sloka.Thus to be Vedic we have to

coordinate sayan sankranti, nirayan sankranti and the lunar tithi 

together.Thanks.

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> Hari Malla

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