Guest guest Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 I " read " ........book ....the gnostic circle............  The cosmic evolution of the individual.........!!!!!!!!?????  That was many years ago....... Some claim of the re-embodiment of...... " whomever " .........  How do we know?????????  Syama --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya [vedic astrology] Re: Re: The Views of Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet Cc: , vedic astrology Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 7:03 PM  Harimallaji, Please keep your hypocrisy to yourself. Did you send the scanned copy of the that Kaundinya acharyaji's commentary on the commentary of Somakara to the Jyotishgroup. On the contrary you sent that to your friend Kaul's group. I know more about the works of the great scholars Bal Gangadhar tilakTilak and Shankar Balakrishna Dixit than you do. I respect the great scholarship of Tilak and admire his numerous valuable contributions such as the recovering of the lost verse of the Sankhya Karika, his book Gita Rahashya and the Orion, yet I reject his theory on the Arctic home of the Aryans. The present day scholars also do not agree with Tilak's view on that. Let us not forget that Tilak would have revised some of his views himself if he woiuld have been alive today becaues he was a lover of truth. So also is the case of Dixit. If he would have been alive today he too would have revised some of his ideas. The souls of both Tilak and Dixit will condemn those, who blindly stick to those ideas, which they would have rejected themselves today in the light of the vast amount of archaeological and other sciebtific findings. These two great scholars never talked about compromise. Learn from them these good things. Truth cannot be twisted. One must admit what is the truth. Only when one's own life is in danger and when one tells a joke then and then only one is allowed to speak an untruth . and not otherwise. Only crooks talk of compromising truth where is no need to as they do it for their own ulterior motives. Sincerely, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Wed, 11/18/09, hari <harimalla@rocketmai l.com> wrote: hari <harimalla@rocketmai l.com> Re: The Views of Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 4:27 AM  Dear Bhattacharyaji, Please read over the discussion of the two camps represented by Shankar BK Dixit and Balagangadhar Tilak in the nineteenth century, before you give your amateur comments. These men were very respected men of their times. Their views is dealt by Shakar Balakrishna Dixit in his Bharatiya jyotish. Please, first know the views of experts before passing comments.Let us see what they had said. It is very much necessary to study their above discussions. I hope you have the book.If not I can send the scanned pages. The two camps they represented have not succeeded so far to make progress any further. How long do you want the dead lock to continue? So it is better to compromise so that both the camps are adequetly represented in our present decision and settle the issue for good. Regards, Hari Malla , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > Dear friends, > > Chaitra cannot be any other month as it is linked to the Chitra nakshatra. No change of name either of the nakshatra or of the month is possible. Only an utterly ignorant person will say so. But seeing their adamance it appears that these people have some ulterior motives for demanding the changa of name of the months and of the nakshatras. These adamant people are not willing to accept the other available ways. > > Regards, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > --- On Tue, 11/17/09, hari <harimalla@. ..> wrote: > > hari <harimalla@. ..> > Re: The Views of Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet > > Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 5:53 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Harishkumar ji, > > The intention of PNB may be correct as far as our calenar has gone out of tract. But taking the sayan system is not a vedic suggestion, it is the Gregorian suggestion. The vedic suggestion would be to maintain the nirayan saytem and yet reform our calendar the vedic way. > > This can easily be done by shifting our time frame by one whole month, so that our present Chaitra becoems the new Vaisakh or the present Meen sankranti becomes the new epochal Mesh sankranti. By this way the calendar is both reformed and the current nirayan system remains as it is. This method is the coordination of the concepts of two stalwarts of the nieteeth century- Bala ganagdhar Tilak and Shakar BK Dikshit. > > This is the best way to reform our calendar. > > Thanks, > > Hari Malla > > , " Harry " <harishkumar09@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Have the members of this group gone through the works of Patrizia Norelli Bachelet(PNB) and her views on astrology ? She advocates the Sayana Tropical Zodiac as the correct system. She traces the problems of India to a faulty calender and states rectification of it will make us perceive the Cosmic Harmonies which will bring forth the Satya Yuga the Age of Truth. What has been lost is the perfect measure of Time which needs to be retrieved. A resetting of the cosmic clock is necessary according to her for us to See the Truth. > > > > > > Clearly,its obvious to a child that Makara Sankranti should be celebrated on 21 December on Winter Solstice day,the shortest day of the year. But the current Nirayana system celebrates it 23 days later. > > > > > > I give below a few useful links : > > > > > > www.aeongroup. com > > > > > > www.patrizianorelli bachelet. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 Shri Sunil Bhattacharjyaji, Jai Shri Ram! < In the Brahmana of the Veda we find that at one time the Mahashivaratri fell on the start of the Uttarayana, ie. on the first day of the seasonal month of Tapas> You are again requested to please give the exact references, quoting the exact relevant mantras with their translation. You have already been requested several times for this information, but you are dodging the question again and again. Could it be that your memory is not serving you properly here also, just as it did not serve you in case of INSA edition of the VJ regarding the rashi mantra, that it had termed as noting but spurious or your confusing Chaukhamba edition of Yogavasishtha as Gita Press edition! <Darshaneyji, in spite of his good intentions proposed that in 2010 it should be celebrated in 12 tapasya, which defies all logic.> As per Shiva Mahapurana and Linga Purana etc., Maha Shivaratri is to be celebrated on nisheetha vyapini chaturdashi of Magha (Gauna Phallguna) Krishna paksha. Magha Shukla Paksha starts with the first New Moon after Uttarayana, and that is on January 16, 2010. Magha (Gauna Phalguna) Krishna Paksha starts on January 31, 2010. Accordingly, nisheetha vyapini chaturdashi is on 12th of February, 2010, which corresponds to 23rd of Tapasya, and not 12th of Tapasya, as erroneously (some memory problem again?!) pointed out by you! So the Tithi_patrak of Shri Darshaney Lokesh showing Mahashivaratri on February 12, 2010 is quite correct! Perhaps it may be news to you that in 2010, even Lahiri-walas (including you!) will celebrate Mahashivaratri on February 12 which is 23rd of Tapasya! Why don't you muster some courage to castigate your fellow Lahiriwalas and admonish them from celebrating Mahasivaratri after two months of Utarayana, i.e. Winter Solstice Day, when it should be celebrated according to you. Regarding precession vis-a-vis, Uttarayana, I suggest you read some books on astronomy and then only enter into discussion on such topics as otherwise it is just a wastage of time. Jai Shri Ram! A K Kaul , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > Shri Harimallaji, > > 1) > Uttarayana means the period of six month of the northern course of the Sun. The Makar Sankranti is observed in Uttarayana even now though the start of the Uttarayana is before the Makar sankranti. During the period of Vedanga Jyotisha the Uttarayana started in the first haif of the Dhanistha Nakshatra ie. it occurred in the end of the Makar Rashi. Thus at that time the Makar Sankramana occurred before the start of the Uttarayana. Once explained a school boy will understand this and I hope this will not be difficult for you to understand. > 2) > We don't have to shift anything. We have only to recognise what is what. Now the Uttarayana starts when the Sun is in the Dhanu Rashi, ie. before the Makar Sankranti. In Varahamihira's time the Uttarayana started in the beginning of the Makar Rashi. Ask any astronomer and he will confirm this. Varahamihira did not have to change anything except changing the mindset of the (intellectually) blind people. > 3) > In the Brahmana of the Veda we find that at one time the Mahashivaratri fell on the start of the Uttarayana, ie. on the first day of the seasonal month of Tapas (and the astronomers will tell you that this time period was in the third millennium BCE). These days it does not fall on the day of the start of Uttarayana. Ask the schoolboy (whom if you explain the above concept of Uttarayana) and he will tell you that in the Vedic reference the calendar followed for the Mahashivaratri was the Sidereal calendar and not the Seasonal calendar. Darshaneyji, in spite of his good intentions prposed that in 2010 it should be celebrated in 12 tapasya, which defies all logic. It is neither according the Seasonal calendar nor according to the Sidereal calendar. If he strictly follows the Seasonal calendar then he should ask people to celebrate the Mahashivaratri on the Winter solstice day by quoting the precedence in the Veda. Hope this will not be difficult for > you to undertand this. > > You profess to be so knowledgeable so are you pretending not to understand all these? If so please do not pretend and do not continue this unnnecessary mails so that the Jyotishis do not get disturbed in their main task of jyotish-discussions. I hope you do not like to make unsubstantiated statements like Shri Kaul, who short-sightaedy does all that just trying to win an argument. > > Sincerely, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > > > --- On Sat, 11/21/09, hari <harimalla wrote: > > hari <harimalla > Re: The Views of Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet > > Saturday, November 21, 2009, 12:35 AM > > Dear Bhatachryaji, > > Can you please explain what is meant by 'utttayan occurs when sun is in dhanistha or sun is in makar sanrkanti' at different times of our history.If they could be separated what was the necessity to shift the nirayan utttaryan from sun in dhanistha to sun in makar sankranti. If acoording to you indepeendant existaence of the two was OK, we could have as well continued with sun in dhanistha position of uttrayan even today. Why do you think they shifted it to makar sankranti as mentioned by Barhamihir.What was the need if your independant theory of sayan and nirayan was acceptable. > > Please note that nowadays Shiva ratri is not linked with winter solstice at all.That may have been an old concept which has no bearing today. At present Shivaratri is at the mid point between winter solstice,which is Poush purnima(designated by start of maagha snana) and spring equinox which is Chaitra purnima (designated by Vaisakh snana). > > If you think coupling of the sayan and the nirayan concepts are not needed then please explain why Vedanga jyotish had to coordinate the sun in dhanistha position, uttarayan and also maagha sukla pratipada together into one by thesixth sloka.Thus to be Vedic we have to coordinate sayan sankranti, nirayan sankranti and the lunar tithi together.Thanks. > > Hari Malla > > > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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