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Dear

friends,

Jai Shri Ram!

< Jyotirved

has failed to give reference to Makar Rekha in ancient Indian texts and this is

his usual practice. >

Makara Rashi,

like all the other rashis, itself is an import in about early centuries

of Christian era from Greco-Chaldean astrology! As such, who

advised Shri Bhattacharjya to look for " Makar Rekha " in ancient

Indian texts? At least not me!

Makar Rekha is

a geographical term, equivalent to Tropic of Capricorn in English and  it

was in sixth class that I had read about Makar-Rekha (Tropic of Capricorn)

etc. in my geography books then!

<At least he

could have told the name of the text and there is no need to quote the exact

verse, if it was a fact.>

Now that I have

given the name of the book, i.e. “Makar Rekha” can be found in any

Primary School Geography text book, so he can look for it in any of them!

<In our

calendar we give the dates for the day of Ganesh Jayanti as well as for the

Ganesh Chaturthi. So also we can give include the date of Uttarayana Punyakala

on the shortest day in December along with the usual day of Makar Sankranti in

January when the Sun enters the Makar Rashi.>

Surprisingly,

Mr. Bhattacharjya is ignorant not only about the Vedic lore but even the

Pauranic and siddhantic one about the Ayanas and Vishuvas vis-à-vis Mesha etc.

rashis! He can at least read the Vedanga Jyotisha, that I have uploaded

in the files section of this (indiaarchaeology) forum also, and see for himself

that the ayanas and vishuvas are mentioned there in also though there is neither

any indication of any Rashis nor of Mangal, Shani etc. planets. And the

VJ is definitely a work of at least 1400 BCE! As such, there is no

question of any Makar Sankranti as per the Vedic or the VJ lore!

The VJ has

clearly mentioned that from the day of Uttarayana, the days go on

increasing, which means Acharya Lagadha was aware of such

phenomena!

<The Romans

were observing the birthday of Mitra (the Sungod) on the Winter Solstice day.

One Roman emperor decided to please the Christians by observing the birth day

of Jesus Christ on that day though Jesus Christ was born about three months

earlier. That is how the Christmas came to be observed around that time. The

Hindus will be able to observe the Winter Solstice day (ie. the Uttarayana

punyakala) almost at the time the Christians are observing their Christmas.>

 

Ironically,

some people go on parroting that " phalita Jyotisha " is a

" Vedanga "    because there is a work named Vedanga Jyotisha by

Lagadha! If they had read any of the Vedas they would certainly not

make such  fools of themselves by claiming that Uttarayana is a Christian

festival! There are already rashi5.zip and 1999b.doc available in the

files section! Anybody can go through them and see the facts for

himself/herself! There are at least fifty references in both these

documents with original Sanskrit mantras, their English translation and

complete references that talk of Ayanas and Vishuvas and Madhu, Madhava et.

months vis-a-vis the Pauranic (and not Vedic or the VJ!) and siddhantic Mesha

etc. rashis! Instead of wasting everybody's time by repeating the same

clichés again and again, that the so called Makar Sankranti must be

celebrated on January 15, let them please go through those three documents

first, and then only enter into discussion about the " Punyakala " of

Uttarayana,----which some of them  call a Chrisitan legacy----vis-à-vis Makar Sankranti.

Mr.

Bhattacharjya, in spite of calling himself a historian, is surprisingly

ignorant of the real history of Julian calendar also, as he calls it a Christian

calendar!

The Vedanga

Jyotisha advises that a New five year yuga including a New solar as

well as lunar year starts with the New moon on the Uttarayana Day becoming

conjunct with the Star Dhanishtha (Alpha Delphini). A solar New year was

supposed to have started with the day of Uttarayana i.e. the shortest day of

the year, viz. the Winter Solstice, and a new lunar New year with the

first New Moon on or after that date. These are, more or less, the

criteria as per the Vasishtha and Paitamaha siddhantas of the Panchasiddhantika

as well!

This is what

Dr. M. N. Saha has said on page 168 of the " (Saha) Report of the Calendar Reform

Committee " about Christian calendar (sic!), " What is now known as the

Christian calendar and used all over the world for civil purposes had

originally nothing to do with Christianity....The Romans up to 45 BC apparently

had rather a vague idea of the correct length of the year. Julius Caesar

after his conquest of Egypt in 44 BC introduced the leap-year system on the

advice of Egyptian astronomer Sosigenes, who suggested that the mean length of

the year should be fixed at 365.25 days, by making the normal length of the

year 365 days and inserting an additional day every fourth year. At the

same time the lengths of the months were fixed at their present

durations. The extra day in leap years was obtained by repeating the

sixth day before the Kalends (first) of March. ...Owing to the drifting of

the year-beginning, the year 46 BC started about 90 days before the proper

seasons. The months were first brought back to their correct seasons by

giving the year corresponding to 46 BC a normal intercalation of 23 days after

February and then inserting 67 additional days between November and

December. This year therefore contained 445 days in all and is known as

the year of confusion…

“But the

perfect calendar was still a long way off. Caesar wanted to start the New year

on 25th December, the Winter Solstice Day (of 46 BC). But

people resisted the choice because a new moon was due on January 1, 45 BC and

some people considered that the new moon was lucky. Caesar had to go

along with them in their desire to start the new reckoning on a traditional

lunar landmark”

It is thus

clear that the Roman-cum-Julian-(cum-Christian?) calendar/era followed

the canons of the Vedanga Jyotisha, and the Winter Solstice i.e. the Uttarayana

Day was observed, exactly like Indians had been doing, with great fervor and a

new moon after that was considered “lucky” as a new year----exactly

what the VJ had ordained!

It is

worthwhile to mention here that there was no actual Uttarayana Day on December

25, 46 BC but only the mean solar Uttarayana---again exactly like that of the

Vedanga Jyotisha!

Though some

people are very eloquent about the date of the Mahbharata war etc., but they

are blissfully ignorant that Bhishma was waiting for Uttarayana to shed off his

mortal coil while on the bed of arrows! Was Bhishma also waiting for

celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ?  Magha Shukla paksha started immediately

after Uttarayana in the Mahabharata also, as per the VJ tradition!

These “jyotishis”

should have done at least some reading of the Gita, which is very

eloquent in the eighth adhyaya about such geographical phenomena, as it states

clearly, “dhoomo ratris tatha krishnah shanmasah uttarayanam”.

Is Bhagwan Krishna also talking about the Uttarayana because Jesus Christ was

supposed to be born on that day?

I am sorry to

say that “Vedic astrologers” will go to any length to defame/debunk

their own cultural heritage just to prove that the predictive gimmicks, which

they call “Vedic astrology”, are so called nirayana, when actually

the Vedas do not talk of any rashis at all, so there is absolutely no question

of the Vedic rashis being so called sayana or nirayna!

Then again, as

is clear in my above quoted papers, as and when Mesha etc. rashis were

introduced in India through the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha, they are

nothing but so called sayana, and those very so called sayana rashis have been

replicated in all the Puranas later. Nakshatras, whether rightly or

wrongly, had been clubbed with those very sayana rashis in the Surya Siddhanta

and the Puranas and India had been following that very trend of clubbing nakshatras

with sayana rashis in eleventh century AD also as per Alberuni’s India.

However, it

must be put on record here that most of the Junction Stars do not fit into any of

their namesake nakshatras of equal division, whether so called sayana or so

called nirayana!  Then again, if  (nirayana) Ashvini nakshatra starts ten

degrees before the longitude of Ashivini star, Mula nakshatra starts almost

with Mula star, and the maximum confusion is there between Chitra and Svati

stars---they are away from one another by just half a degree, whereas Vishakha

is away by about twenty degrees from Svati!  It is, therefore, a moot point as

to how relevant the names of junction stars of the Surya Sidhanta are vis-à-vis

the Vedic nakshatras of similar names. 

My personal

view is that we must completely delink junction stars from nakshatra divisions,

and for deciding the nakshtr-mana of the Moon, take the lunar conjunction with

the junction star as the starting time of that nakshatra till it gets conjunct

with the next nakshatra.  For example, it can be said that (lunar) Ashvini

nakshtra starts the moment the Moon is conjunct Ashvini (Beta Arietis ---Sheratan)

star and remains till it starts being conjunct the next i.e. Bharni (41

Arietis) star.  Bharni will thus last from that moment till the Moon becomes

conjunct Krittika (Eta Tauri---Alcyone) star and so on.  That is, in fact, what

Shri Darshney Lokesh has done in his “New Vedic Panchang”.

Of course, if

there are any better suggestions, based on dharmashastra and astronomy

available, they will certainly be considered.

Coming to Mesha

etc. rashis again, as such, if there is any Makar Sankranti as per the Puranas

and the siddhantas and Tantra-shastra (again, not as per the Vedas or the VJ!)

it is just a synonym of Uttarayana and Karkata Sankranti is another name of

Dakshinayana and Mesha Sankranti another name of Vasanta Sampat i.e. Vernal

Equinox and Tula Sankranti another name of Hemanta Sampat i.e. Autumnal Equinox

and so on. Thus the so called nirayana sankrantis are neither

scientific, nor pauranic nor even siddhantic and above all, contrary to geographical

phenomena as well, with the result that lunar (synodic) months that are pegged

to those very Lahiri or Ramana etc. solar months these days, instead of the

seasonal months, as advocated by the Vedanga Jyotisha, or even the Puranas and

siddhantas are worse than even Islamic calendar, since the Lahiri/Ramana etc.

lunar months are neither connected to seasons nor to the Vedic months Madhu,

Madhava etc. and nor to geographical phenomena. No wonder, we are

celebrating all the festivals and muhurtas as per the whims and fancies of

“Vedic astrologers” instead of the Puranas or the Siddhantas, leave

alone the Vedas!

That vindicates

the statement of Dr. R. N. Iyengar also, “This would set right the other

three important solar points and the monthly SankramaNa. Apart from

errors in religious observances, farmers following the rainy asterisms (Sun's

position among the stars)for seed sowing are misled by the current

almanacs”

The tail piece

of this post is that in 46 BC, when the Winter Solstice was being proposed as

the start of the new solar year/era by Egyptian astronomer Sosigenes, Jesus

Christ was yet nowhere around, and as such, without verifying the facts at all,

some people go to the town as usual with their fantastic theories

and thereby simply exhibited their “omniscience”.

That is why I

go on repeating, “We do not need enemies to ruin our dharma! ‘Vedic

astrologers’ are doing it in a manner that would put even the enemies to

shame”.  As such, it is a humble request to “Vedic astrologers”

that they may use any ayanamsha or rashichakra or planetary jargon for phalita

jyotisha, but they must leave the Hindu calendar alone!

Jai Shri Ram!

A K Kaul

 

 

IndiaArchaeology ,

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya

wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

>

> Jyotirved has failed to give reference to Makar Rekha in ancient Indian

texts and this is his usual practice. He makes unsubstantiated statements. At

least he could have told the name of the text and there is no need to quote the

exact verse, if it was a fact.

>

> Now kindly look at the following well-meant suggestion of Dr. R.N.Iyengar,

with all the seriousness it deserves..

>

> In our calendar we give the dates for the day of Ganesh Jayanti as well as

for the Ganesh Chaturthi. So also we can give include the date of Uttarayana Punyakala

on the shortest day in December along with the usual day of Makar Sankranti in

January when the Sun enters the Makar Rashi.

>

> The December date can be called Uttarayana Punyakala or should we call it

Surya Jayanti? What does Dr. iyengar say? The Romans were observing the

birthday of Mitra (the Sungod) on the Winter Solstice day. One Roman emperor

decided to please the Christians by observing the birth day of Jesus Christ on

that day though Jesus Christ was born about three months earlier. That is how

the Christmas came to be observed around that time. The Hindus will be able to

observe the Winter Solstice day (ie. the Uttarayana punyakala) almost at the

time the Christians are observing their Christmas. It will be nice if the

Government authorities will also declare the Uttarayana punyakala as a holiday.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

>

> --- On Wed, 11/18/09, jyotirved jyotirved wrote:

>

> jyotirved jyotirved

> Fw: [hc] Re: new vedic panchanga

>

> Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 7:23 AM

>

> HinduCalendar, SIVA EXPORIUM sivaexpo@ .>

wrote:

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> aareni

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> hinducivilization

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> Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:26 PM

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>

> [hc] Re: new vedic panchanga

>

>

>

> Good Luck! What you say is correct. At least some of the errors should be

>

> corrected. I am in particular referring to UttarAyaNa PuNyakAla which has

to

>

> coincide with the onset of the northern movement of Sun which happens

around

>

> 22 December and not on 14th January. This would set right the other three

>

> important solar points and the monthly SankramaNa. Apart from errors in

>

> religious observances, farmers following the rainy asterisms (Sun's

position

>

> among the stars)for seed sowing are misled by the current almanacs. There

is

>

> an error of about three weeks which is too large a margin in agricultural

>

> operations.

>

>

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> RN Iyengar

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> hinducivilization

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> <http://groups.

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> Wtbg> , SIVA EXPORIUM sivaexpo@ .> wrote:

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> >

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> > Should we continue to celebrate all our festivals on wrong days?

>

> Do you know that we Hindus are celebrating all our festivals now on

wrong

>

> dates? Do you know that when you are said to be born under a particular

star

>

> ( nakshatra), actually your birth star may be some thing else and not the

>

> one you are supposed to have been born under? Do you realise that due to

>

> such a discrepancy in taking correct star (nakshatra ), we are unable to

>

> select a proper muhurth for any purpose?

>

>

>

>

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Dear friends,

Jai Shri Ram!

In the above

post, there has been an oversight in one of the paras, which pl. read as, “…….. as it

states clearly, “agnir jyotir ahah shuklah shanmasah

uttarayanam” in place of “dhoomo ratris tatha krishnah shanmasah

uttarayanam”. ..

The oversight

is regretted.

Jai Shri

Ram!

A K Kaul

 

 

 

 

jyotirved

[jyotirved]

Sunday, November 22, 2009 3:31 PM

'indiaarchaeology '

 

 

 

 

Dear friends,

Jai Shri Ram!

< Jyotirved

has failed to give reference to Makar Rekha in ancient Indian texts and this is

his usual practice. >

Makara Rashi,

like all the other rashis, itself is an import in about early centuries

of Christian era from Greco-Chaldean

 

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