Guest guest Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 Is Astrology a science or myth? Astrology is the greatest science in the entire universe. It's that only body of knowledge that describes intimately, the nature, purpose and goals of every human being as well as the universe itself. We all, already believe and accept that we're living in an astronomical universe. We take this for common, because all we have to do is look into the sky on any evening and we will see that we live in a vast, pannorma of stars, planets and galaxies. We now, know how the Stars work, generally what they're made of and even how all the planets work and move. We can, for example, predict exactly where they all will be in 1 year, in 100 or 1,000 years! What we don't still know however, is why! The sinle, eternally most important and most illusive of all human questions is why! Why do I exist? What is the purpose of my life and existence here? These questions have still not been answered. We can now, put a 'man on the Moon' but we still can't these most basic of human concerns. Fortunately, today, in the ancient knowledge and philosophy of Astrology is the fulfillment of this question. Inside each of our astrological charts, is a clear description of who we are and who we're even, meant to become. All of our human characteristics, qualities and personality traits are well described, there. Especially which of our human qualities are our strengths and which are our weaknesses, are also described. The main problem with Astrology, for over 1600 years has been Western Astrology has been increasingly becoming more and more out of tune with the actual sky. Today, since Western astrologers most recently started calculating the 'stars' differently those Mathematics have continued pushing Astrology, out of synch with the actual sky! As a result of this, modern day scientists don't trust Astrology. There normal first question is: " How can I study, test, verify and validate the beliefs, theories or ideas of Astrology. " The Western Astrologer, now can only say, " Eh, I'm sorry, Astrology is not an actual phenomena, its more of a symbolic science. " And, when modern day scientists here this they just throw up their hands and give up! Fortunately, today, about 50 years ago, something changed in the field of Western Astrology which is beginning to finally bring Astrology back in line with the stars. A Western astrologer, Cyril Fagan first came up with the idea to bring modern day Astrology, back in line with the pre-Ptolemy days of Astrology. Instead of calculating the astrological chart, related to the Equinoxes, he began calculating it, based on the exact moment that the Sun moves into Aries in the middle of April, each year. That immediately brought Astrolgy, back in line with the actual sky. Now, insted of there being a literal 23 degree gap between the astrological chart and the actual sky, now there is a very exact and potentially verifiable reality to study. Now, when individuals get all critical and testy every 2 1/2 days when the Moon goes through Virgo, every month, there's a very 'real' phenomena in Nature that we can research and validate. I first started out in Astrology, in the late 60's studying that old, Western astrological system, which now is called Tropical Astrology. And, like millions of people I found some parts of my western chart did seem to fit me. But, also, some did not. So, I put it away, got involved with other things until I discovered Eastern Astrology in the late 1980's. I immediately felt such a depth and intimate connection between who I am and what my eastern astrological chart was supposed to be about. Funnily, enough, the Eastern astrological system has always been an 'actual sky' or Sidereal astrological system, like the new Cyril Fagan system. So, I began studying this new Eastern astrological system called Jyotish, Eastern or Vedic Astrology. With each day of self- study and I continued finding that this system fit me perfectly! Not only did it explain my strengths but it also, clearly described each and every one of my weaknesses! So, I knew it was playing into my delusions, hopes and wishes for myself. Instead, it became a clear and unbiased exact, 'mirror' of who I am. Once I became adequately clear as to how this chart truly fit me I began studying how it might fit my family members. Because I knew them, more intimately than all others, I thought they would be a good test for whether there charts fit them! And, one after the other, they too fit their charts. Being the oldest of six, and having a mother and father, I always wondered why they all had such strange and different personalities! When, I applied their charts to them, I found out exactly why they are the way that they are. Then, I expanded into my friends, and over the course of a year discovered how they intimately fit their charts as well. When, you only know how your chart fits you, that can be nice, but not as convincing when you can explain how the astrological chart fits 5-10 people. When, I'd discovered how my 50 or so friends charts fit them, that was even much more confinving. Then, I expanded into my acquaintances, and up to 100, than 200 people. Then, everyone I met, I wanted to see if their charts fit them as well. When, I got up to about 500 people, and each and every one of them, literally fit their charts, this totally convinced me that there was something, indeed to this Astrology thing! Like a modern day scientist, who so deeply begins to understand how his discipline is deeply understandable through the Mathematics of science, Astrology, too can be that profoundly true and real to life. Modern day scientists, however, don't worry about trying to convince others about their beliefs or mathematical insights. They all agree and understand the Mathematics of science. What astrologers have to do is create a system of examination, and self-verification, so that all the great ideas, beliefs and opinions of Astrology, too, can become more scientific. Those of us who are more experienced in Astrology, have to remember, that we've earned a kind of PHD in Astrology when we've discovered how 1,000 2, or 5,000 people lierally fit their charts! What we need to do now, is continue to show the public, that in every imaginable human situation, there is an astological reason for that. The person who has emotional or mental problems, has these, because of the Moon, in their original birth charts. The person who has self-confidence issues, has definite challenges of the Sun, in their original birth charts. Health problems are extermely often due to challenged or malefic functioning Saturn's in people's charts. All relationships can bee seen as the play and interaction of the two main relationship planets, Mars and Venus. There is NO human situation I've encountered in over 40 years now, that can't be adequately explained and predicted, from individual's charts. In addition, good Astrology is also about how we can take this great insight, and help each person awaken to a more positive version of themselves. So, those individuals that have difficult Moons and extremely frustrating emotional problems, they will benefit tremendously, from the specific suggestions, remedies and remedial measures that have been found to have a profound influence upon literally, strengthening the Moon, inside! In other words, in addition to promoting Astrology, we also need to encourage people to learn those formulas and practical techniques of self-improvement that will literally help people improve their lives! Science is not only theoretical. Science is also extremely practical and involved in the day to day realities of every aspect of life. Astrology too, needs to become that practical. But, there is no knowledge in the entire world that is as accurate and profound, in explaining the human situation, than the knowledge, and yes, the science of Astrology. In future discussions I think it might be fun and valuable to discuss how Astrology, has the ability to satisfy all the criteria, and characteristics of what science. Sincerely, Mark Kincaid Founder Nature's Astrology www..com kincaidmark / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Greetings to all. I am new thanks to an invitation. I've studied Astrology since about 1968 and began my studies then to disprove it. I haven't yet. I have dismissed quite a bit resulting from my objective testing but there is so much more that I've learned that cannot be shaken. I am convinced of the validity of the Mother Science and am quite comfortable with my claim to be able to prove the validity of the science in double-blind demonstrations before an objective panel of experts. Astrology has never been my profession and I do not wish to become a professional astrologer, but I do enjoy discussions on the topic with practical fold interested in talk about " true things. " Ok, on to the topic " Is Astrology a Science or Myth? " Mark said, " The sinle, eternally most important and most illusive of all human questions is why! Why do I exist? What is the purpose of my life and existence here? These questions have still not been answered. We can now, put a 'man on the Moon' but we still can't these most basic of human concerns. Fortunately, today, in the ancient knowledge and philosophy of Astrology is the fulfillment of this question. " I respond: First, I do believe that jumping to the " Why " question before discovering Who we are individually is an unnecessary step -- a problem that produces overwhelming expectations. Yes it would be nice to know but does the pondering of such a question without facing the question of who we are as individuals the right path? I do not believe so. If we tackle the question of who we are, and (just as important) who we are not, the implications of the study may produce a very clear " why " answer just for me alone. It will produce my fit, my gifts, and inadequacies, my path, personality, my soul, my attractions and their purposes, my repulsions and their purposes, and so much more. My perspective or question should not be to understand the " why " for everyone, but to determine the " why " for me alone. Perhaps I can then presume some theories of how others fit into my life path. Mark said " " Inside each of our astrological charts, is a clear description of who we are and who we're even, meant to become. " I could not agree more except that saying that it is the Interpretation of the Astrological Chart that presents the problem. The influences are there, there is simply no doubt in my mind on this note. The weaknesses is in the interpretation which is doubly weakened by those who know nothing about the Structure and Dynamics of the individual human psyche and yet arrogantly proceed with interpretations they call intuitive or couched in so-called " esoteric " language. The old Mother Science's dress is further tattered when the charlatans, who profess knowledge of astrology, in fact know little more than how to cash your check or ring up your credit card charge. I actually visited a lady who had an " Astrology " sign in front of her house. I went in for a reading. I asked what house system does she use and she had no idea what I meant. Nothing she had to tell me had any relevance or use at all. Mark continues, " All of our human characteristics, qualities and personality traits are well described, there. " No doubt about that statement. As I noted above the weakness is in the interpretation by those claiming expertise. Even authors of Astrology books are very weak in really understanding the individual human being, so how could they sufficiently interpret the human characteristics presented in a chart? Of course, they can not. Mark said, " The main problem with Astrology, for over 1600 years has been Western Astrology has been increasingly becoming more and more out of tune with the actual sky. Today, since Western astrologers most recently started calculating the 'stars' differently those Mathematics have continued pushing Astrology, out of synch with the actual sky! " This argument appears every once in a while for many good reasons, however, the answer is that the influences are not in the sky but in the Earth. The earth is like the mechanism of a complex clock, the background sky, like the signs and houses formed by the time of birth are no more than the numbers on the outside face of the clock. The planets are the hands of the complex clock. The problem is that many believe the backward movement along the ecliptic puts the traditional Aries (the beginning of the Natural year) away from the Vernal Equinox due to the wobble of the Earth's poles). This would be a problem except that the natural year Still begins with the Sun moving North at the Beginning of Spring or the Vernal Equinox. The originators of Western astrology did not mean that the space in the sky we traditionally call Aries for astrology purposes, should still begin at the Vernal Equinox. Those wise people in the old times did not actually see images of the signs in the sky they placed the images in the sky to match the events on the ground, on the Earth, from where the influence emanates. I have to run. Best wishes, Wes , " Mark Kincaid " <markkincaid wrote: > > Is Astrology a science or myth? > > > Astrology is the greatest science in the entire universe. It's that > only body of knowledge that describes intimately, > the nature, purpose and goals of every human being as well as the > universe itself. > > We all, already believe and accept that we're living in an > astronomical universe. > > We take this for common, because all we have to do is look into the > sky on any evening and we will see that we live in a vast, > pannorma of stars, planets and galaxies. We now, know how the Stars > work, generally what they're made of and even how > all the planets work and move. We can, for example, predict exactly > where they all will be in 1 year, in 100 or 1,000 years! > > What we don't still know however, is why! > > The sinle, eternally most important and most illusive of all human > questions is why! Why do I exist? What is the purpose > of my life and existence here? These questions have still not been > answered. We can now, put a 'man on the Moon' but we > still can't these most basic of human concerns. > > Fortunately, today, in the ancient knowledge and philosophy of > Astrology is the fulfillment of this question. > > Inside each of our astrological charts, is a clear description of > who we are and who we're even, meant to become. > > All of our human characteristics, qualities and personality traits > are well described, there. Especially which of our human > qualities are our strengths and which are our weaknesses, are also > described. > > The main problem with Astrology, for over 1600 years has been > Western Astrology has been increasingly becoming more and > more out of tune with the actual sky. Today, since Western astrologers > most recently started calculating the 'stars' differently > those Mathematics have continued pushing Astrology, out of synch with > the actual sky! > > As a result of this, modern day scientists don't trust Astrology. > There normal first question is: " How can I study, test, verify > and validate the beliefs, theories or ideas of Astrology. " The Western > Astrologer, now can only say, " Eh, I'm sorry, Astrology > is not an actual phenomena, its more of a symbolic science. " > > And, when modern day scientists here this they just throw up their > hands and give up! > > Fortunately, today, about 50 years ago, something changed in the > field of Western Astrology which is beginning to finally > bring Astrology back in line with the stars. A Western astrologer, > Cyril Fagan first came up with the idea to bring modern day > Astrology, back in line with the pre-Ptolemy days of Astrology. Instead > of calculating the astrological chart, related to the > Equinoxes, he began calculating it, based on the exact moment that the > Sun moves into Aries in the middle of April, each year. > > That immediately brought Astrolgy, back in line with the actual sky. > > Now, insted of there being a literal 23 degree gap between the > astrological chart and the actual sky, now there is a very exact > and potentially verifiable reality to study. > > Now, when individuals get all critical and testy every 2 1/2 days > when the Moon goes through Virgo, every month, there's a > very 'real' phenomena in Nature that we can research and validate. > > I first started out in Astrology, in the late 60's studying that > old, Western astrological system, which now is called Tropical > Astrology. And, like millions of people I found some parts of my > western chart did seem to fit me. But, also, some did not. > > So, I put it away, got involved with other things until I discovered > Eastern Astrology in the late 1980's. I immediately felt such > a depth and intimate connection between who I am and what my eastern > astrological chart was supposed to be about. Funnily, > enough, the Eastern astrological system has always been an 'actual sky' > or Sidereal astrological system, like the new Cyril Fagan > system. > > So, I began studying this new Eastern astrological system called > Jyotish, Eastern or Vedic Astrology. With each day of self- > study and I continued finding that this system fit me perfectly! Not > only did it explain my strengths but it also, clearly described > each and every one of my weaknesses! So, I knew it was playing into my > delusions, hopes and wishes for myself. > > Instead, it became a clear and unbiased exact, 'mirror' of who I am. > > Once I became adequately clear as to how this chart truly fit me I > began studying how it might fit my family members. Because > I knew them, more intimately than all others, I thought they would be a > good test for whether there charts fit them! > > And, one after the other, they too fit their charts. Being the > oldest of six, and having a mother and father, I always wondered > why they all had such strange and different personalities! When, I > applied their charts to them, I found out exactly why they > are the way that they are. > > Then, I expanded into my friends, and over the course of a year > discovered how they intimately fit their charts as well. When, > you only know how your chart fits you, that can be nice, but not as > convincing when you can explain how the astrological chart > fits 5-10 people. When, I'd discovered how my 50 or so friends charts > fit them, that was even much more confinving. > > Then, I expanded into my acquaintances, and up to 100, than 200 > people. Then, everyone I met, I wanted to see if their > charts fit them as well. When, I got up to about 500 people, and each > and every one of them, literally fit their charts, this totally > convinced me that there was something, indeed to this Astrology thing! > > Like a modern day scientist, who so deeply begins to understand how > his discipline is deeply understandable through the > Mathematics of science, Astrology, too can be that profoundly true and > real to life. > > Modern day scientists, however, don't worry about trying to convince > others about their beliefs or mathematical insights. > They all agree and understand the Mathematics of science. What > astrologers have to do is create a system of examination, > and self-verification, so that all the great ideas, beliefs and opinions > of Astrology, too, can become more scientific. > > Those of us who are more experienced in Astrology, have to remember, > that we've earned a kind of PHD in Astrology when > we've discovered how 1,000 2, or 5,000 people lierally fit their charts! > > What we need to do now, is continue to show the public, that in > every imaginable human situation, there is an astological > reason for that. > > The person who has emotional or mental problems, has these, because > of the Moon, in their original birth charts. The person who has > self-confidence issues, has definite challenges of the Sun, in their > original birth charts. Health problems are extermely > often due to challenged or malefic functioning Saturn's in people's > charts. > All relationships can bee seen as the play and interaction of the > two main relationship planets, Mars and Venus. > > There is NO human situation I've encountered in over 40 years now, > that can't be adequately explained and predicted, from > individual's charts. > > In addition, good Astrology is also about how we can take this > great insight, and help each person awaken to a more > positive version of themselves. > > So, those individuals that have difficult Moons and extremely > frustrating emotional problems, they will benefit tremendously, > from the specific suggestions, remedies and remedial measures that have > been found to have a profound influence upon literally, > strengthening the Moon, inside! > > In other words, in addition to promoting Astrology, we also need to > encourage people to learn those formulas and practical > techniques of self-improvement that will literally help people improve > their lives! > > Science is not only theoretical. Science is also extremely > practical and involved in the day to day realities of every aspect of > life. Astrology too, needs to become that practical. > > But, there is no knowledge in the entire world that is as accurate > and profound, in explaining the human situation, than the > knowledge, and yes, the science of Astrology. > > In future discussions I think it might be fun and valuable to > discuss how Astrology, has the ability to satisfy all the criteria, > and characteristics of what science. > > > Sincerely, > > > > > Mark Kincaid > > > > Founder Nature's Astrology > www..com > kincaidmark > / > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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