Varga Longitudes and new Nakshathras ?!!!

June 5, 2007

Dear Respected members

I have been troubling and disturbing many learned souls since long

and request apology.

I have to repeat as now there are attempts to bring in concepts of

varga longitudes and new nakshathras inspite of all the ''NEW

theories'' we are having at the moment.

1)Can we imagine VIOLET amsha within WHITE light relating back to

VIOLET Colour as a WHOLE.Similarly we have 12 Rashis and within

those Rashis there are again tattwa principles relating back to

Individual Rashis.

2)Rashi Chakra and planetary dispositions are the only patterns that

are ''VISIBLE'' or in other words physically manifested.

3)Amsha sambandhas are subtle currents through which planets are

relating to various RASHIS within RASHI CHAKRA which CANNOT be

physically FELT or VISIBLE.For eg NavaPranas as in navamsha

sambandha.

4)Some of us do repeat like parrot,every now and then - Rashi is

Physical ..Rashi is physical..Rashi is physical on one hand and keep

on treating and analysing Varga sambandhas as seperate charts with

PHYSICAL and GROSS PRINCIPLES - outside Rashi chakra!!.

Vargas are found through a single ''physical longitude'' and those

relations do not have further longitudes!!!.

Varga sambandha is not ahowing any Physical disposition which one

can see as in ASPECT or PLACEMENT.Those are subtle connections

between Rashi tattwas.

If it is contradicting with the understanding of learned

souls,kindly forgive.

Pls share your views

Respect

Pradeep

June 5, 2007

Vijaydas,

I agree with your views on the subject. Using sign

divisions as divisional charts has been a big myth.

The myth has reached such proportions that it is now

institutionalized into an unquestionable truth. I am

glad that there are a few who are willing to challenge

the myth or atleast reevaluate its validity.

Divisional charts have made explaining away the

" known " unexplainable very easy and efficient. When

one can't explain a chart, create new parameters thats

the modern mantra.

Satish

--- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep

wrote:

> Dear Respected members

>

> I have been troubling and disturbing many learned

> souls since long

> and request apology.

>

> I have to repeat as now there are attempts to bring

> in concepts of

> varga longitudes and new nakshathras inspite of all

> the ''NEW

> theories'' we are having at the moment.

>

> 1)Can we imagine VIOLET amsha within WHITE light

> relating back to

> VIOLET Colour as a WHOLE.Similarly we have 12 Rashis

> and within

> those Rashis there are again tattwa principles

> relating back to

> Individual Rashis.

>

> 2)Rashi Chakra and planetary dispositions are the

> only patterns that

> are ''VISIBLE'' or in other words physically

> manifested.

>

> 3)Amsha sambandhas are subtle currents through which

> planets are

> relating to various RASHIS within RASHI CHAKRA which

> CANNOT be

> physically FELT or VISIBLE.For eg NavaPranas as in

> navamsha

> sambandha.

>

> 4)Some of us do repeat like parrot,every now and

> then - Rashi is

> Physical ..Rashi is physical..Rashi is physical on

> one hand and keep

> on treating and analysing Varga sambandhas as

> seperate charts with

> PHYSICAL and GROSS PRINCIPLES - outside Rashi

> chakra!!.

>

> Vargas are found through a single ''physical

> longitude'' and those

> relations do not have further longitudes!!!.

>

> Varga sambandha is not ahowing any Physical

> disposition which one

> can see as in ASPECT or PLACEMENT.Those are subtle

> connections

> between Rashi tattwas.

>

> If it is contradicting with the understanding of

> learned

> souls,kindly forgive.

>

> Pls share your views

> Respect

> Pradeep

>

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June 5, 2007

Hi Satish

I am only responding for your request to share my view.

I have tried to follow this ongoing debate for many years now, and have kept an

open mind about it.

More recently I was reminded of the debate when I set up a number of charts all

of which were times of shootings in schools. What did surprise me was that in

every chart the navamsa showed the Gemini Sag axis was emphasised. I found this

unexplainable as I still don't see why this should show in these signs in

navamsa but not rasi, and can't find a rational or understandable explanation as

to why it should be this way, even though I looked at the illustration of the

zodiac and divisions and their distribution on a huge display of them that I

have.

There must be some subtle connection with the signs in amsas and rasi but I

could not decode a degree relationship or aspectual relationship in rasi which

would unravel the mystery of connection though clearly the ancient sages

understood it, but it is still a mystery to me. Perhaps someone could explain

it?

best wishes

M

-

SPK

Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:17 PM

Re: Varga Longitudes and new Nakshathras ?!!!

Vijaydas,

I agree with your views on the subject. Using sign

divisions as divisional charts has been a big myth.

The myth has reached such proportions that it is now

institutionalized into an unquestionable truth. I am

glad that there are a few who are willing to challenge

the myth or atleast reevaluate its validity.

Divisional charts have made explaining away the

" known " unexplainable very easy and efficient. When

one can't explain a chart, create new parameters thats

the modern mantra.

Satish

--- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep

wrote:

> Dear Respected members

>

> I have been troubling and disturbing many learned

> souls since long

> and request apology.

>

> I have to repeat as now there are attempts to bring

> in concepts of

> varga longitudes and new nakshathras inspite of all

> the ''NEW

> theories'' we are having at the moment.

>

> 1)Can we imagine VIOLET amsha within WHITE light

> relating back to

> VIOLET Colour as a WHOLE.Similarly we have 12 Rashis

> and within

> those Rashis there are again tattwa principles

> relating back to

> Individual Rashis.

>

> 2)Rashi Chakra and planetary dispositions are the

> only patterns that

> are ''VISIBLE'' or in other words physically

> manifested.

>

> 3)Amsha sambandhas are subtle currents through which

> planets are

> relating to various RASHIS within RASHI CHAKRA which

> CANNOT be

> physically FELT or VISIBLE.For eg NavaPranas as in

> navamsha

> sambandha.

>

> 4)Some of us do repeat like parrot,every now and

> then - Rashi is

> Physical ..Rashi is physical..Rashi is physical on

> one hand and keep

> on treating and analysing Varga sambandhas as

> seperate charts with

> PHYSICAL and GROSS PRINCIPLES - outside Rashi

> chakra!!.

>

> Vargas are found through a single ''physical

> longitude'' and those

> relations do not have further longitudes!!!.

>

> Varga sambandha is not ahowing any Physical

> disposition which one

> can see as in ASPECT or PLACEMENT.Those are subtle

> connections

> between Rashi tattwas.

>

> If it is contradicting with the understanding of

> learned

> souls,kindly forgive.

>

> Pls share your views

> Respect

> Pradeep

>

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June 6, 2007

Hi Marg,

No one is questioning existence of finer divisions.

Amsha has been mentioned by the classics. So navanmsha

of gemini-sag or whatever sign is a parameter. To

extend it to include them as houses in divisions and

use aspects and like is what has not been established

with any logical foundation.

Satish

--- Marg <margie9 wrote:

> Hi Satish

>

> I am only responding for your request to share my

> view.

> I have tried to follow this ongoing debate for many

> years now, and have kept an open mind about it.

> More recently I was reminded of the debate when I

> set up a number of charts all of which were times of

> shootings in schools. What did surprise me was that

> in every chart the navamsa showed the Gemini Sag

> axis was emphasised. I found this unexplainable as I

> still don't see why this should show in these signs

> in navamsa but not rasi, and can't find a rational

> or understandable explanation as to why it should be

> this way, even though I looked at the illustration

> of the zodiac and divisions and their distribution

> on a huge display of them that I have.

>

> There must be some subtle connection with the signs

> in amsas and rasi but I could not decode a degree

> relationship or aspectual relationship in rasi which

> would unravel the mystery of connection though

> clearly the ancient sages understood it, but it is

> still a mystery to me. Perhaps someone could explain

> it?

> best wishes

> M

> -

> SPK

>

> Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:17 PM

> Re: Varga Longitudes and

> new Nakshathras ?!!!

>

> Vijaydas,

>

> I agree with your views on the subject. Using sign

> divisions as divisional charts has been a big

> myth.

> The myth has reached such proportions that it is

> now

> institutionalized into an unquestionable truth. I

> am

> glad that there are a few who are willing to

> challenge

> the myth or atleast reevaluate its validity.

> Divisional charts have made explaining away the

> " known " unexplainable very easy and efficient.

> When

> one can't explain a chart, create new parameters

> thats

> the modern mantra.

>

> Satish

> --- vijayadas_pradeep

> <vijayadas_pradeep

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Respected members

> >

> > I have been troubling and disturbing many

> learned

> > souls since long

> > and request apology.

> >

> > I have to repeat as now there are attempts to

> bring

> > in concepts of

> > varga longitudes and new nakshathras inspite of

> all

> > the ''NEW

> > theories'' we are having at the moment.

> >

> > 1)Can we imagine VIOLET amsha within WHITE light

> > relating back to

> > VIOLET Colour as a WHOLE.Similarly we have 12

> Rashis

> > and within

> > those Rashis there are again tattwa principles

> > relating back to

> > Individual Rashis.

> >

> > 2)Rashi Chakra and planetary dispositions are

> the

> > only patterns that

> > are ''VISIBLE'' or in other words physically

> > manifested.

> >

> > 3)Amsha sambandhas are subtle currents through

> which

> > planets are

> > relating to various RASHIS within RASHI CHAKRA

> which

> > CANNOT be

> > physically FELT or VISIBLE.For eg NavaPranas as

> in

> > navamsha

> > sambandha.

> >

> > 4)Some of us do repeat like parrot,every now and

> > then - Rashi is

> > Physical ..Rashi is physical..Rashi is physical

> on

> > one hand and keep

> > on treating and analysing Varga sambandhas as

> > seperate charts with

> > PHYSICAL and GROSS PRINCIPLES - outside Rashi

> > chakra!!.

> >

> > Vargas are found through a single ''physical

> > longitude'' and those

> > relations do not have further longitudes!!!.

> >

> > Varga sambandha is not ahowing any Physical

> > disposition which one

> > can see as in ASPECT or PLACEMENT.Those are

> subtle

> > connections

> > between Rashi tattwas.

> >

> > If it is contradicting with the understanding of

> > learned

> > souls,kindly forgive.

> >

> > Pls share your views

> > Respect

> > Pradeep

> >

>

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June 6, 2007

Hi Satish

Yes I do understand that, I perhaps needed to explain a little better what I was

trying to say.

I agree with your statement: To

extend it to include them as houses in divisions and

use aspects and like is what has not been established

with any logical foundation.

So I wasn't advocating that the navamsa be read in the same way as rasi at all,

I still keep an open mind about the 'rasi' method of reading it. I was trying to

say I still am puzzled about the best way to utilise navamsa when it is really

only supposed to be the chart of marriage, and the fruits of this lifetime.

I think my finding in the mini research project backed up the fact that there

was nothing I could see in navamsa and its connection to the rasi charts which

justified using aspects, or degree relationships of planet position in navamsa.

Hope this makes sense if not I don't know how better to explain it in e mail!!!

However your point about the Gemini Sag parameter being a credible one in its

own right isn't really what I personally am happy with. I couldn't find a single

signification in rasi which was a commonly expressed amongst the charts, so was

surprised that this connection of sag Gemini axis showed up in navamsa, and was

the only factor that the charts shared in common.

Just to labour the point----delete if necessary!-----I can understand why in

rasi this axis would be singled out, I can explain it very simply if it is in

rasi, but if we are saying that the amsas don't deserve the same interpretation

as they do in rasi then the whole explanation falls down and I am left wondering

how to use navamsa in light of this finding. Does that make sense?

bets wishes

M

-

SPK

Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:20 PM

Re: Varga Longitudes and new Nakshathras ?!!!

Hi Marg,

No one is questioning existence of finer divisions.

Amsha has been mentioned by the classics. So navanmsha

of gemini-sag or whatever sign is a parameter. To

extend it to include them as houses in divisions and

use aspects and like is what has not been established

with any logical foundation.

Satish

--- Marg <margie9 wrote:

> Hi Satish

>

> I am only responding for your request to share my

> view.

> I have tried to follow this ongoing debate for many

> years now, and have kept an open mind about it.

> More recently I was reminded of the debate when I

> set up a number of charts all of which were times of

> shootings in schools. What did surprise me was that

> in every chart the navamsa showed the Gemini Sag

> axis was emphasised. I found this unexplainable as I

> still don't see why this should show in these signs

> in navamsa but not rasi, and can't find a rational

> or understandable explanation as to why it should be

> this way, even though I looked at the illustration

> of the zodiac and divisions and their distribution

> on a huge display of them that I have.

>

> There must be some subtle connection with the signs

> in amsas and rasi but I could not decode a degree

> relationship or aspectual relationship in rasi which

> would unravel the mystery of connection though

> clearly the ancient sages understood it, but it is

> still a mystery to me. Perhaps someone could explain

> it?

> best wishes

> M

> -

> SPK

>

> Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:17 PM

> Re: Varga Longitudes and

> new Nakshathras ?!!!

>

> Vijaydas,

>

> I agree with your views on the subject. Using sign

> divisions as divisional charts has been a big

> myth.

> The myth has reached such proportions that it is

> now

> institutionalized into an unquestionable truth. I

> am

> glad that there are a few who are willing to

> challenge

> the myth or atleast reevaluate its validity.

> Divisional charts have made explaining away the

> " known " unexplainable very easy and efficient.

> When

> one can't explain a chart, create new parameters

> thats

> the modern mantra.

>

> Satish

> --- vijayadas_pradeep

> <vijayadas_pradeep

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Respected members

> >

> > I have been troubling and disturbing many

> learned

> > souls since long

> > and request apology.

> >

> > I have to repeat as now there are attempts to

> bring

> > in concepts of

> > varga longitudes and new nakshathras inspite of

> all

> > the ''NEW

> > theories'' we are having at the moment.

> >

> > 1)Can we imagine VIOLET amsha within WHITE light

> > relating back to

> > VIOLET Colour as a WHOLE.Similarly we have 12

> Rashis

> > and within

> > those Rashis there are again tattwa principles

> > relating back to

> > Individual Rashis.

> >

> > 2)Rashi Chakra and planetary dispositions are

> the

> > only patterns that

> > are ''VISIBLE'' or in other words physically

> > manifested.

> >

> > 3)Amsha sambandhas are subtle currents through

> which

> > planets are

> > relating to various RASHIS within RASHI CHAKRA

> which

> > CANNOT be

> > physically FELT or VISIBLE.For eg NavaPranas as

> in

> > navamsha

> > sambandha.

> >

> > 4)Some of us do repeat like parrot,every now and

> > then - Rashi is

> > Physical ..Rashi is physical..Rashi is physical

> on

> > one hand and keep

> > on treating and analysing Varga sambandhas as

> > seperate charts with

> > PHYSICAL and GROSS PRINCIPLES - outside Rashi

> > chakra!!.

> >

> > Vargas are found through a single ''physical

> > longitude'' and those

> > relations do not have further longitudes!!!.

> >

> > Varga sambandha is not ahowing any Physical

> > disposition which one

> > can see as in ASPECT or PLACEMENT.Those are

> subtle

> > connections

> > between Rashi tattwas.

> >

> > If it is contradicting with the understanding of

> > learned

> > souls,kindly forgive.

> >

> > Pls share your views

> > Respect

> > Pradeep

> >

>

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>

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June 6, 2007

Dear Margaret,

If I may add my tow cents worth to what you have written, there is a

principle which says that Moon is the seed, Lagna is the flower,

navamsha is the fruit and Bhava is the sweet juice of a Chart. So

navamsha does have its importance in imparting strength to the planets

and that may be the reason you found the Gemini \ Sagittarius axis

recurring in your experiment. Astrologers of my generation generally

look at the strength of a planet from its strength in navamsha. It is

that important.

Chandrashekhar.

Marg wrote:

>

> Hi Satish

> Yes I do understand that, I perhaps needed to explain a little better

> what I was trying to say.

> I agree with your statement: To

> extend it to include them as houses in divisions and

> use aspects and like is what has not been established

> with any logical foundation.

> So I wasn't advocating that the navamsa be read in the same way as

> rasi at all, I still keep an open mind about the 'rasi' method of

> reading it. I was trying to say I still am puzzled about the best way

> to utilise navamsa when it is really only supposed to be the chart of

> marriage, and the fruits of this lifetime.

> I think my finding in the mini research project backed up the fact

> that there was nothing I could see in navamsa and its connection to

> the rasi charts which justified using aspects, or degree relationships

> of planet position in navamsa.

> Hope this makes sense if not I don't know how better to explain it in

> e mail!!!

> However your point about the Gemini Sag parameter being a credible one

> in its own right isn't really what I personally am happy with. I

> couldn't find a single signification in rasi which was a commonly

> expressed amongst the charts, so was surprised that this connection of

> sag Gemini axis showed up in navamsa, and was the only factor that the

> charts shared in common.

> Just to labour the point----delete if necessary!-----I can understand

> why in rasi this axis would be singled out, I can explain it very

> simply if it is in rasi, but if we are saying that the amsas don't

> deserve the same interpretation as they do in rasi then the whole

> explanation falls down and I am left wondering how to use navamsa in

> light of this finding. Does that make sense?

> bets wishes

> M

>

> -

> SPK

> <%40>

> Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:20 PM

> Re: Varga Longitudes and new Nakshathras ?!!!

>

> Hi Marg,

>

> No one is questioning existence of finer divisions.

> Amsha has been mentioned by the classics. So navanmsha

> of gemini-sag or whatever sign is a parameter. To

> extend it to include them as houses in divisions and

> use aspects and like is what has not been established

> with any logical foundation.

>

> Satish

> --- Marg <margie9 <margie9%40talktalk.net>> wrote:

>

> > Hi Satish

> >

> > I am only responding for your request to share my

> > view.

> > I have tried to follow this ongoing debate for many

> > years now, and have kept an open mind about it.

> > More recently I was reminded of the debate when I

> > set up a number of charts all of which were times of

> > shootings in schools. What did surprise me was that

> > in every chart the navamsa showed the Gemini Sag

> > axis was emphasised. I found this unexplainable as I

> > still don't see why this should show in these signs

> > in navamsa but not rasi, and can't find a rational

> > or understandable explanation as to why it should be

> > this way, even though I looked at the illustration

> > of the zodiac and divisions and their distribution

> > on a huge display of them that I have.

> >

> > There must be some subtle connection with the signs

> > in amsas and rasi but I could not decode a degree

> > relationship or aspectual relationship in rasi which

> > would unravel the mystery of connection though

> > clearly the ancient sages understood it, but it is

> > still a mystery to me. Perhaps someone could explain

> > it?

> > best wishes

> > M

> > -

> > SPK

> >

> <%40>

> > Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:17 PM

> > Re: Varga Longitudes and

> > new Nakshathras ?!!!

> >

> > Vijaydas,

> >

> > I agree with your views on the subject. Using sign

> > divisions as divisional charts has been a big

> > myth.

> > The myth has reached such proportions that it is

> > now

> > institutionalized into an unquestionable truth. I

> > am

> > glad that there are a few who are willing to

> > challenge

> > the myth or atleast reevaluate its validity.

> > Divisional charts have made explaining away the

> > " known " unexplainable very easy and efficient.

> > When

> > one can't explain a chart, create new parameters

> > thats

> > the modern mantra.

> >

> > Satish

> > --- vijayadas_pradeep

> > <vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep%40>>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Respected members

> > >

> > > I have been troubling and disturbing many

> > learned

> > > souls since long

> > > and request apology.

> > >

> > > I have to repeat as now there are attempts to

> > bring

> > > in concepts of

> > > varga longitudes and new nakshathras inspite of

> > all

> > > the ''NEW

> > > theories'' we are having at the moment.

> > >

> > > 1)Can we imagine VIOLET amsha within WHITE light

> > > relating back to

> > > VIOLET Colour as a WHOLE.Similarly we have 12

> > Rashis

> > > and within

> > > those Rashis there are again tattwa principles

> > > relating back to

> > > Individual Rashis.

> > >

> > > 2)Rashi Chakra and planetary dispositions are

> > the

> > > only patterns that

> > > are ''VISIBLE'' or in other words physically

> > > manifested.

> > >

> > > 3)Amsha sambandhas are subtle currents through

> > which

> > > planets are

> > > relating to various RASHIS within RASHI CHAKRA

> > which

> > > CANNOT be

> > > physically FELT or VISIBLE.For eg NavaPranas as

> > in

> > > navamsha

> > > sambandha.

> > >

> > > 4)Some of us do repeat like parrot,every now and

> > > then - Rashi is

> > > Physical ..Rashi is physical..Rashi is physical

> > on

> > > one hand and keep

> > > on treating and analysing Varga sambandhas as

> > > seperate charts with

> > > PHYSICAL and GROSS PRINCIPLES - outside Rashi

> > > chakra!!.

> > >

> > > Vargas are found through a single ''physical

> > > longitude'' and those

> > > relations do not have further longitudes!!!.

> > >

> > > Varga sambandha is not ahowing any Physical

> > > disposition which one

> > > can see as in ASPECT or PLACEMENT.Those are

> > subtle

> > > connections

> > > between Rashi tattwas.

> > >

> > > If it is contradicting with the understanding of

> > > learned

> > > souls,kindly forgive.

> > >

> > > Pls share your views

> > > Respect

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> >

> ________

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> > Check out fun summer activities for kids.

> >

>

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> > removed]

> >

>

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June 6, 2007

Hi Chandrashekar

Of course your two cents are gold and thanks for that focus

It was a research project rather than an experiment.

What I should also have said ( if I knew anyone was interested:-) is that the

common denominator in the charts of shootings could only be found in navamsa and

it was the fact that the moon was ALWAYS on the Gem/Sag navamsa axis.

best wishes

M

-

Chandrashekhar

Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:55 PM

Re: Varga Longitudes and new Nakshathras ?!!!

Dear Margaret,

If I may add my tow cents worth to what you have written, there is a

principle which says that Moon is the seed, Lagna is the flower,

navamsha is the fruit and Bhava is the sweet juice of a Chart. So

navamsha does have its importance in imparting strength to the planets

and that may be the reason you found the Gemini \ Sagittarius axis

recurring in your experiment. Astrologers of my generation generally

look at the strength of a planet from its strength in navamsha. It is

that important.

Chandrashekhar.

Marg wrote:

>

> Hi Satish

> Yes I do understand that, I perhaps needed to explain a little better

> what I was trying to say.

> I agree with your statement: To

> extend it to include them as houses in divisions and

> use aspects and like is what has not been established

> with any logical foundation.

> So I wasn't advocating that the navamsa be read in the same way as

> rasi at all, I still keep an open mind about the 'rasi' method of

> reading it. I was trying to say I still am puzzled about the best way

> to utilise navamsa when it is really only supposed to be the chart of

> marriage, and the fruits of this lifetime.

> I think my finding in the mini research project backed up the fact

> that there was nothing I could see in navamsa and its connection to

> the rasi charts which justified using aspects, or degree relationships

> of planet position in navamsa.

> Hope this makes sense if not I don't know how better to explain it in

> e mail!!!

> However your point about the Gemini Sag parameter being a credible one

> in its own right isn't really what I personally am happy with. I

> couldn't find a single signification in rasi which was a commonly

> expressed amongst the charts, so was surprised that this connection of

> sag Gemini axis showed up in navamsa, and was the only factor that the

> charts shared in common.

> Just to labour the point----delete if necessary!-----I can understand

> why in rasi this axis would be singled out, I can explain it very

> simply if it is in rasi, but if we are saying that the amsas don't

> deserve the same interpretation as they do in rasi then the whole

> explanation falls down and I am left wondering how to use navamsa in

> light of this finding. Does that make sense?

> bets wishes

> M

>

> -

> SPK

> <%40>

> Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:20 PM

> Re: Varga Longitudes and new Nakshathras ?!!!

>

> Hi Marg,

>

> No one is questioning existence of finer divisions.

> Amsha has been mentioned by the classics. So navanmsha

> of gemini-sag or whatever sign is a parameter. To

> extend it to include them as houses in divisions and

> use aspects and like is what has not been established

> with any logical foundation.

>

> Satish

> --- Marg <margie9 <margie9%40talktalk.net>> wrote:

>

> > Hi Satish

> >

> > I am only responding for your request to share my

> > view.

> > I have tried to follow this ongoing debate for many

> > years now, and have kept an open mind about it.

> > More recently I was reminded of the debate when I

> > set up a number of charts all of which were times of

> > shootings in schools. What did surprise me was that

> > in every chart the navamsa showed the Gemini Sag

> > axis was emphasised. I found this unexplainable as I

> > still don't see why this should show in these signs

> > in navamsa but not rasi, and can't find a rational

> > or understandable explanation as to why it should be

> > this way, even though I looked at the illustration

> > of the zodiac and divisions and their distribution

> > on a huge display of them that I have.

> >

> > There must be some subtle connection with the signs

> > in amsas and rasi but I could not decode a degree

> > relationship or aspectual relationship in rasi which

> > would unravel the mystery of connection though

> > clearly the ancient sages understood it, but it is

> > still a mystery to me. Perhaps someone could explain

> > it?

> > best wishes

> > M

> > -

> > SPK

> >

> <%40>

> > Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:17 PM

> > Re: Varga Longitudes and

> > new Nakshathras ?!!!

> >

> > Vijaydas,

> >

> > I agree with your views on the subject. Using sign

> > divisions as divisional charts has been a big

> > myth.

> > The myth has reached such proportions that it is

> > now

> > institutionalized into an unquestionable truth. I

> > am

> > glad that there are a few who are willing to

> > challenge

> > the myth or atleast reevaluate its validity.

> > Divisional charts have made explaining away the

> > " known " unexplainable very easy and efficient.

> > When

> > one can't explain a chart, create new parameters

> > thats

> > the modern mantra.

> >

> > Satish

> > --- vijayadas_pradeep

> > <vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep%40>>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Respected members

> > >

> > > I have been troubling and disturbing many

> > learned

> > > souls since long

> > > and request apology.

> > >

> > > I have to repeat as now there are attempts to

> > bring

> > > in concepts of

> > > varga longitudes and new nakshathras inspite of

> > all

> > > the ''NEW

> > > theories'' we are having at the moment.

> > >

> > > 1)Can we imagine VIOLET amsha within WHITE light

> > > relating back to

> > > VIOLET Colour as a WHOLE.Similarly we have 12

> > Rashis

> > > and within

> > > those Rashis there are again tattwa principles

> > > relating back to

> > > Individual Rashis.

> > >

> > > 2)Rashi Chakra and planetary dispositions are

> > the

> > > only patterns that

> > > are ''VISIBLE'' or in other words physically

> > > manifested.

> > >

> > > 3)Amsha sambandhas are subtle currents through

> > which

> > > planets are

> > > relating to various RASHIS within RASHI CHAKRA

> > which

> > > CANNOT be

> > > physically FELT or VISIBLE.For eg NavaPranas as

> > in

> > > navamsha

> > > sambandha.

> > >

> > > 4)Some of us do repeat like parrot,every now and

> > > then - Rashi is

> > > Physical ..Rashi is physical..Rashi is physical

> > on

> > > one hand and keep

> > > on treating and analysing Varga sambandhas as

> > > seperate charts with

> > > PHYSICAL and GROSS PRINCIPLES - outside Rashi

> > > chakra!!.

> > >

> > > Vargas are found through a single ''physical

> > > longitude'' and those

> > > relations do not have further longitudes!!!.

> > >

> > > Varga sambandha is not ahowing any Physical

> > > disposition which one

> > > can see as in ASPECT or PLACEMENT.Those are

> > subtle

> > > connections

> > > between Rashi tattwas.

> > >

> > > If it is contradicting with the understanding of

> > > learned

> > > souls,kindly forgive.

> > >

> > > Pls share your views

> > > Respect

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> >

> ________

> > Got a little couch potato?

> > Check out fun summer activities for kids.

> >

>

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> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

>

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June 6, 2007

Chadrashekharji,

How do you find the strength of planet in navansha ?

What paramater to use ?

You can not use all the shadbala strengths in navansha

or can you ?

Staan Bal ( Uchha, neecha, own sign) ..that makes

sense

Retrograde ( planet retro in rashi will be retro in

navansha as well)

Do you use house placements ( 6-8-12 from lagna amsha

)

Can you use dig bala ?

Thanks

Satish

--- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

wrote:

> Dear Margaret,

>

> If I may add my tow cents worth to what you have

> written, there is a

> principle which says that Moon is the seed, Lagna is

> the flower,

> navamsha is the fruit and Bhava is the sweet juice

> of a Chart. So

> navamsha does have its importance in imparting

> strength to the planets

> and that may be the reason you found the Gemini \

> Sagittarius axis

> recurring in your experiment. Astrologers of my

> generation generally

> look at the strength of a planet from its strength

> in navamsha. It is

> that important.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Marg wrote:

> >

> > Hi Satish

> > Yes I do understand that, I perhaps needed to

> explain a little better

> > what I was trying to say.

> > I agree with your statement: To

> > extend it to include them as houses in divisions

> and

> > use aspects and like is what has not been

> established

> > with any logical foundation.

> > So I wasn't advocating that the navamsa be read in

> the same way as

> > rasi at all, I still keep an open mind about the

> 'rasi' method of

> > reading it. I was trying to say I still am puzzled

> about the best way

> > to utilise navamsa when it is really only supposed

> to be the chart of

> > marriage, and the fruits of this lifetime.

> > I think my finding in the mini research project

> backed up the fact

> > that there was nothing I could see in navamsa and

> its connection to

> > the rasi charts which justified using aspects, or

> degree relationships

> > of planet position in navamsa.

> > Hope this makes sense if not I don't know how

> better to explain it in

> > e mail!!!

> > However your point about the Gemini Sag parameter

> being a credible one

> > in its own right isn't really what I personally am

> happy with. I

> > couldn't find a single signification in rasi which

> was a commonly

> > expressed amongst the charts, so was surprised

> that this connection of

> > sag Gemini axis showed up in navamsa, and was the

> only factor that the

> > charts shared in common.

> > Just to labour the point----delete if

> necessary!-----I can understand

> > why in rasi this axis would be singled out, I can

> explain it very

> > simply if it is in rasi, but if we are saying that

> the amsas don't

> > deserve the same interpretation as they do in rasi

> then the whole

> > explanation falls down and I am left wondering how

> to use navamsa in

> > light of this finding. Does that make sense?

> > bets wishes

> > M

> >

> > -

> > SPK

> >

> <%40>

> > Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:20 PM

> > Re: Varga Longitudes and

> new Nakshathras ?!!!

> >

> > Hi Marg,

> >

> > No one is questioning existence of finer

> divisions.

> > Amsha has been mentioned by the classics. So

> navanmsha

> > of gemini-sag or whatever sign is a parameter. To

> > extend it to include them as houses in divisions

> and

> > use aspects and like is what has not been

> established

> > with any logical foundation.

> >

> > Satish

> > --- Marg <margie9

> <margie9%40talktalk.net>> wrote:

> >

> > > Hi Satish

> > >

> > > I am only responding for your request to share

> my

> > > view.

> > > I have tried to follow this ongoing debate for

> many

> > > years now, and have kept an open mind about it.

> > > More recently I was reminded of the debate when

> I

> > > set up a number of charts all of which were

> times of

> > > shootings in schools. What did surprise me was

> that

> > > in every chart the navamsa showed the Gemini Sag

> > > axis was emphasised. I found this unexplainable

> as I

> > > still don't see why this should show in these

> signs

> > > in navamsa but not rasi, and can't find a

> rational

> > > or understandable explanation as to why it

> should be

> > > this way, even though I looked at the

> illustration

> > > of the zodiac and divisions and their

> distribution

> > > on a huge display of them that I have.

> > >

> > > There must be some subtle connection with the

> signs

> > > in amsas and rasi but I could not decode a

> degree

> > > relationship or aspectual relationship in rasi

> which

> > > would unravel the mystery of connection though

> > > clearly the ancient sages understood it, but it

> is

> > > still a mystery to me. Perhaps someone could

> explain

> > > it?

> > > best wishes

> > > M

> > > -

> > > SPK

> > >

> > <%40>

> > > Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:17 PM

> > > Re: Varga Longitudes and

> > > new Nakshathras ?!!!

> > >

> > > Vijaydas,

> > >

> > > I agree with your views on the subject. Using

> sign

> > > divisions as divisional charts has been a big

> > > myth.

> > > The myth has reached such proportions that it is

> > > now

> > > institutionalized into an unquestionable truth.

> I

> > > am

> > > glad that there are a few who are willing to

> > > challenge

> > > the myth or atleast reevaluate its validity.

> > > Divisional charts have made explaining away the

> > > " known " unexplainable very easy and efficient.

> > > When

> > > one can't explain a chart, create new parameters

> > > thats

> > > the modern mantra.

> > >

> > > Satish

> > > --- vijayadas_pradeep

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep

> <vijayadas_pradeep%40>>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Respected members

> > > >

> > > > I have been troubling and disturbing many

> > > learned

> > > > souls since long

> > > > and request apology.

> > > >

> > > > I have to repeat as now there are attempts to

> > > bring

> > > > in concepts of

> > > > varga longitudes and new nakshathras inspite

> of

> > > all

> > > > the ''NEW

> > > > theories'' we are having at the moment.

> > > >

> > > > 1)Can we imagine VIOLET amsha within WHITE

> light

> > > > relating back to

> > > > VIOLET Colour as a WHOLE.Similarly we have 12

> > > Rashis

>

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Dear Margaret,

So the seed and the fruit were right there clarifying the principle, it

seems.

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

Marg wrote:

>

> Hi Chandrashekar

> Of course your two cents are gold and thanks for that focus

> It was a research project rather than an experiment.

> What I should also have said ( if I knew anyone was interested:-) is

> that the common denominator in the charts of shootings could only be

> found in navamsa and it was the fact that the moon was ALWAYS on the

> Gem/Sag navamsa axis.

> best wishes

> M

>

> -

> Chandrashekhar

> <%40>

> Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:55 PM

> Re: Varga Longitudes and new Nakshathras ?!!!

>

> Dear Margaret,

>

> If I may add my tow cents worth to what you have written, there is a

> principle which says that Moon is the seed, Lagna is the flower,

> navamsha is the fruit and Bhava is the sweet juice of a Chart. So

> navamsha does have its importance in imparting strength to the planets

> and that may be the reason you found the Gemini \ Sagittarius axis

> recurring in your experiment. Astrologers of my generation generally

> look at the strength of a planet from its strength in navamsha. It is

> that important.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Marg wrote:

> >

> > Hi Satish

> > Yes I do understand that, I perhaps needed to explain a little better

> > what I was trying to say.

> > I agree with your statement: To

> > extend it to include them as houses in divisions and

> > use aspects and like is what has not been established

> > with any logical foundation.

> > So I wasn't advocating that the navamsa be read in the same way as

> > rasi at all, I still keep an open mind about the 'rasi' method of

> > reading it. I was trying to say I still am puzzled about the best way

> > to utilise navamsa when it is really only supposed to be the chart of

> > marriage, and the fruits of this lifetime.

> > I think my finding in the mini research project backed up the fact

> > that there was nothing I could see in navamsa and its connection to

> > the rasi charts which justified using aspects, or degree relationships

> > of planet position in navamsa.

> > Hope this makes sense if not I don't know how better to explain it in

> > e mail!!!

> > However your point about the Gemini Sag parameter being a credible one

> > in its own right isn't really what I personally am happy with. I

> > couldn't find a single signification in rasi which was a commonly

> > expressed amongst the charts, so was surprised that this connection of

> > sag Gemini axis showed up in navamsa, and was the only factor that the

> > charts shared in common.

> > Just to labour the point----delete if necessary!-----I can understand

> > why in rasi this axis would be singled out, I can explain it very

> > simply if it is in rasi, but if we are saying that the amsas don't

> > deserve the same interpretation as they do in rasi then the whole

> > explanation falls down and I am left wondering how to use navamsa in

> > light of this finding. Does that make sense?

> > bets wishes

> > M

> >

> > -

> > SPK

> >

> <%40>

> > Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:20 PM

> > Re: Varga Longitudes and new Nakshathras ?!!!

> >

> > Hi Marg,

> >

> > No one is questioning existence of finer divisions.

> > Amsha has been mentioned by the classics. So navanmsha

> > of gemini-sag or whatever sign is a parameter. To

> > extend it to include them as houses in divisions and

> > use aspects and like is what has not been established

> > with any logical foundation.

> >

> > Satish

> > --- Marg <margie9 <margie9%40talktalk.net>

> <margie9%40talktalk.net>> wrote:

> >

> > > Hi Satish

> > >

> > > I am only responding for your request to share my

> > > view.

> > > I have tried to follow this ongoing debate for many

> > > years now, and have kept an open mind about it.

> > > More recently I was reminded of the debate when I

> > > set up a number of charts all of which were times of

> > > shootings in schools. What did surprise me was that

> > > in every chart the navamsa showed the Gemini Sag

> > > axis was emphasised. I found this unexplainable as I

> > > still don't see why this should show in these signs

> > > in navamsa but not rasi, and can't find a rational

> > > or understandable explanation as to why it should be

> > > this way, even though I looked at the illustration

> > > of the zodiac and divisions and their distribution

> > > on a huge display of them that I have.

> > >

> > > There must be some subtle connection with the signs

> > > in amsas and rasi but I could not decode a degree

> > > relationship or aspectual relationship in rasi which

> > > would unravel the mystery of connection though

> > > clearly the ancient sages understood it, but it is

> > > still a mystery to me. Perhaps someone could explain

> > > it?

> > > best wishes

> > > M

> > > -

> > > SPK

> > >

> <%40>

> > <%40>

> > > Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:17 PM

> > > Re: Varga Longitudes and

> > > new Nakshathras ?!!!

> > >

> > > Vijaydas,

> > >

> > > I agree with your views on the subject. Using sign

> > > divisions as divisional charts has been a big

> > > myth.

> > > The myth has reached such proportions that it is

> > > now

> > > institutionalized into an unquestionable truth. I

> > > am

> > > glad that there are a few who are willing to

> > > challenge

> > > the myth or atleast reevaluate its validity.

> > > Divisional charts have made explaining away the

> > > " known " unexplainable very easy and efficient.

> > > When

> > > one can't explain a chart, create new parameters

> > > thats

> > > the modern mantra.

> > >

> > > Satish

> > > --- vijayadas_pradeep

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep

> <vijayadas_pradeep%40>

> <vijayadas_pradeep%40>>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Respected members

> > > >

> > > > I have been troubling and disturbing many

> > > learned

> > > > souls since long

> > > > and request apology.

> > > >

> > > > I have to repeat as now there are attempts to

> > > bring

> > > > in concepts of

> > > > varga longitudes and new nakshathras inspite of

> > > all

> > > > the ''NEW

> > > > theories'' we are having at the moment.

> > > >

> > > > 1)Can we imagine VIOLET amsha within WHITE light

> > > > relating back to

> > > > VIOLET Colour as a WHOLE.Similarly we have 12

> > > Rashis

> > > > and within

> > > > those Rashis there are again tattwa principles

> > > > relating back to

> > > > Individual Rashis.

> > > >

> > > > 2)Rashi Chakra and planetary dispositions are

> > > the

> > > > only patterns that

> > > > are ''VISIBLE'' or in other words physically

> > > > manifested.

> > > >

> > > > 3)Amsha sambandhas are subtle currents through

> > > which

> > > > planets are

> > > > relating to various RASHIS within RASHI CHAKRA

> > > which

> > > > CANNOT be

> > > > physically FELT or VISIBLE.For eg NavaPranas as

> > > in

> > > > navamsha

> > > > sambandha.

> > > >

> > > > 4)Some of us do repeat like parrot,every now and

> > > > then - Rashi is

> > > > Physical ..Rashi is physical..Rashi is physical

> > > on

> > > > one hand and keep

> > > > on treating and analysing Varga sambandhas as

> > > > seperate charts with

> > > > PHYSICAL and GROSS PRINCIPLES - outside Rashi

> > > > chakra!!.

> > > >

> > > > Vargas are found through a single ''physical

> > > > longitude'' and those

> > > > relations do not have further longitudes!!!.

> > > >

> > > > Varga sambandha is not ahowing any Physical

> > > > disposition which one

> > > > can see as in ASPECT or PLACEMENT.Those are

> > > subtle

> > > > connections

> > > > between Rashi tattwas.

> > > >

> > > > If it is contradicting with the understanding of

> > > > learned

> > > > souls,kindly forgive.

> > > >

> > > > Pls share your views

> > > > Respect

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > >

> > ________

> > > Got a little couch potato?

> > > Check out fun summer activities for kids.

> > >

> >

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June 6, 2007

Dear Satish,

Their placement in Kendra, Trikona, own, friend, exaltation navamsha,

indicate strength and reverse of this indicates weakness. Also

occupation of same navamsha as of the node indicates weakness. By

logical extension occupation of navamsha owned by a planet by node also

indicates its weakness.

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

SPK wrote:

>

> Chadrashekharji,

>

> How do you find the strength of planet in navansha ?

> What paramater to use ?

>

> You can not use all the shadbala strengths in navansha

> or can you ?

>

> Staan Bal ( Uchha, neecha, own sign) ..that makes

> sense

>

> Retrograde ( planet retro in rashi will be retro in

> navansha as well)

>

> Do you use house placements ( 6-8-12 from lagna amsha

> )

>

> Can you use dig bala ?

>

> Thanks

>

> Satish

> --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

> <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Margaret,

> >

> > If I may add my tow cents worth to what you have

> > written, there is a

> > principle which says that Moon is the seed, Lagna is

> > the flower,

> > navamsha is the fruit and Bhava is the sweet juice

> > of a Chart. So

> > navamsha does have its importance in imparting

> > strength to the planets

> > and that may be the reason you found the Gemini \

> > Sagittarius axis

> > recurring in your experiment. Astrologers of my

> > generation generally

> > look at the strength of a planet from its strength

> > in navamsha. It is

> > that important.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Marg wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Satish

> > > Yes I do understand that, I perhaps needed to

> > explain a little better

> > > what I was trying to say.

> > > I agree with your statement: To

> > > extend it to include them as houses in divisions

> > and

> > > use aspects and like is what has not been

> > established

> > > with any logical foundation.

> > > So I wasn't advocating that the navamsa be read in

> > the same way as

> > > rasi at all, I still keep an open mind about the

> > 'rasi' method of

> > > reading it. I was trying to say I still am puzzled

> > about the best way

> > > to utilise navamsa when it is really only supposed

> > to be the chart of

> > > marriage, and the fruits of this lifetime.

> > > I think my finding in the mini research project

> > backed up the fact

> > > that there was nothing I could see in navamsa and

> > its connection to

> > > the rasi charts which justified using aspects, or

> > degree relationships

> > > of planet position in navamsa.

> > > Hope this makes sense if not I don't know how

> > better to explain it in

> > > e mail!!!

> > > However your point about the Gemini Sag parameter

> > being a credible one

> > > in its own right isn't really what I personally am

> > happy with. I

> > > couldn't find a single signification in rasi which

> > was a commonly

> > > expressed amongst the charts, so was surprised

> > that this connection of

> > > sag Gemini axis showed up in navamsa, and was the

> > only factor that the

> > > charts shared in common.

> > > Just to labour the point----delete if

> > necessary!-----I can understand

> > > why in rasi this axis would be singled out, I can

> > explain it very

> > > simply if it is in rasi, but if we are saying that

> > the amsas don't

> > > deserve the same interpretation as they do in rasi

> > then the whole

> > > explanation falls down and I am left wondering how

> > to use navamsa in

> > > light of this finding. Does that make sense?

> > > bets wishes

> > > M

> > >

> > > -

> > > SPK

> > >

> <%40>

> > <%40>

> > > Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:20 PM

> > > Re: Varga Longitudes and

> > new Nakshathras ?!!!

> > >

> > > Hi Marg,

> > >

> > > No one is questioning existence of finer

> > divisions.

> > > Amsha has been mentioned by the classics. So

> > navanmsha

> > > of gemini-sag or whatever sign is a parameter. To

> > > extend it to include them as houses in divisions

> > and

> > > use aspects and like is what has not been

> > established

> > > with any logical foundation.

> > >

> > > Satish

> > > --- Marg <margie9 <margie9%40talktalk.net>

> > <margie9%40talktalk.net>> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hi Satish

> > > >

> > > > I am only responding for your request to share

> > my

> > > > view.

> > > > I have tried to follow this ongoing debate for

> > many

> > > > years now, and have kept an open mind about it.

> > > > More recently I was reminded of the debate when

> > I

> > > > set up a number of charts all of which were

> > times of

> > > > shootings in schools. What did surprise me was

> > that

> > > > in every chart the navamsa showed the Gemini Sag

> > > > axis was emphasised. I found this unexplainable

> > as I

> > > > still don't see why this should show in these

> > signs

> > > > in navamsa but not rasi, and can't find a

> > rational

> > > > or understandable explanation as to why it

> > should be

> > > > this way, even though I looked at the

> > illustration

> > > > of the zodiac and divisions and their

> > distribution

> > > > on a huge display of them that I have.

> > > >

> > > > There must be some subtle connection with the

> > signs

> > > > in amsas and rasi but I could not decode a

> > degree

> > > > relationship or aspectual relationship in rasi

> > which

> > > > would unravel the mystery of connection though

> > > > clearly the ancient sages understood it, but it

> > is

> > > > still a mystery to me. Perhaps someone could

> > explain

> > > > it?

> > > > best wishes

> > > > M

> > > > -

> > > > SPK

> > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:17 PM

> > > > Re: Varga Longitudes and

> > > > new Nakshathras ?!!!

> > > >

> > > > Vijaydas,

> > > >

> > > > I agree with your views on the subject. Using

> > sign

> > > > divisions as divisional charts has been a big

> > > > myth.

> > > > The myth has reached such proportions that it is

> > > > now

> > > > institutionalized into an unquestionable truth.

> > I

> > > > am

> > > > glad that there are a few who are willing to

> > > > challenge

> > > > the myth or atleast reevaluate its validity.

> > > > Divisional charts have made explaining away the

> > > > " known " unexplainable very easy and efficient.

> > > > When

> > > > one can't explain a chart, create new parameters

> > > > thats

> > > > the modern mantra.

> > > >

> > > > Satish

> > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep%40>

> > <vijayadas_pradeep%40>>

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Respected members

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been troubling and disturbing many

> > > > learned

> > > > > souls since long

> > > > > and request apology.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have to repeat as now there are attempts to

> > > > bring

> > > > > in concepts of

> > > > > varga longitudes and new nakshathras inspite

> > of

> > > > all

> > > > > the ''NEW

> > > > > theories'' we are having at the moment.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1)Can we imagine VIOLET amsha within WHITE

> > light

> > > > > relating back to

> > > > > VIOLET Colour as a WHOLE.Similarly we have 12

> > > > Rashis

> >

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June 7, 2007

Chandrashekarji,

How do you define kendra/kona in navansha. Is it

kendra/kona house in nnavansha OR kendra/kona of rashi

?

About Rahu/ketu,are you saying that if rahu say in

mesh navansha will make mangal weak ?

Thanks

Satish

--- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

wrote:

> Dear Satish,

>

> Their placement in Kendra, Trikona, own, friend,

> exaltation navamsha,

> indicate strength and reverse of this indicates

> weakness. Also

> occupation of same navamsha as of the node indicates

> weakness. By

> logical extension occupation of navamsha owned by a

> planet by node also

> indicates its weakness.

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> SPK wrote:

> >

> > Chadrashekharji,

> >

> > How do you find the strength of planet in navansha

> ?

> > What paramater to use ?

> >

> > You can not use all the shadbala strengths in

> navansha

> > or can you ?

> >

> > Staan Bal ( Uchha, neecha, own sign) ..that makes

> > sense

> >

> > Retrograde ( planet retro in rashi will be retro

> in

> > navansha as well)

> >

> > Do you use house placements ( 6-8-12 from lagna

> amsha

> > )

> >

> > Can you use dig bala ?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

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Dear Satish,

It is the Kendra and Kona in Navamsha, so it is with respective to

Navamsha lagna, as indicated by Parashara. Yes, Rahu in Mesha navamsha

will yet afflict Mars, is my opinion.

Chandrashekhar.

SPK wrote:

>

> Chandrashekarji,

>

> How do you define kendra/kona in navansha. Is it

> kendra/kona house in nnavansha OR kendra/kona of rashi

> ?

>

> About Rahu/ketu,are you saying that if rahu say in

> mesh navansha will make mangal weak ?

>

> Thanks

>

> Satish

> --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

> <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Satish,

> >

> > Their placement in Kendra, Trikona, own, friend,

> > exaltation navamsha,

> > indicate strength and reverse of this indicates

> > weakness. Also

> > occupation of same navamsha as of the node indicates

> > weakness. By

> > logical extension occupation of navamsha owned by a

> > planet by node also

> > indicates its weakness.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > SPK wrote:

> > >

> > > Chadrashekharji,

> > >

> > > How do you find the strength of planet in navansha

> > ?

> > > What paramater to use ?

> > >

> > > You can not use all the shadbala strengths in

> > navansha

> > > or can you ?

> > >

> > > Staan Bal ( Uchha, neecha, own sign) ..that makes

> > > sense

> > >

> > > Retrograde ( planet retro in rashi will be retro

> > in

> > > navansha as well)

> > >

> > > Do you use house placements ( 6-8-12 from lagna

> > amsha

> > > )

> > >

> > > Can you use dig bala ?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

>

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June 7, 2007

Thanks Chadrashekharji,

Again I missed asking the question correctly. Is it

kendra and kona in navansha treated as a chart or

kendra and kona from navansha lagna rashi referenced

in rashi chart ?

Thanks

Satish

--- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

wrote:

> Dear Satish,

>

> It is the Kendra and Kona in Navamsha, so it is with

> respective to

> Navamsha lagna, as indicated by Parashara. Yes, Rahu

> in Mesha navamsha

> will yet afflict Mars, is my opinion.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> SPK wrote:

> >

> > Chandrashekarji,

> >

> > How do you define kendra/kona in navansha. Is it

> > kendra/kona house in nnavansha OR kendra/kona of

> rashi

> > ?

> >

> > About Rahu/ketu,are you saying that if rahu say in

> > mesh navansha will make mangal weak ?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Satish

> > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

> > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Satish,

> > >

> > > Their placement in Kendra, Trikona, own, friend,

> > > exaltation navamsha,

> > > indicate strength and reverse of this indicates

> > > weakness. Also

> > > occupation of same navamsha as of the node

> indicates

> > > weakness. By

> > > logical extension occupation of navamsha owned

> by a

> > > planet by node also

> > > indicates its weakness.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > SPK wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Chadrashekharji,

> > > >

> > > > How do you find the strength of planet in

> navansha

> > > ?

> > > > What paramater to use ?

> > > >

> > > > You can not use all the shadbala strengths in

> > > navansha

> > > > or can you ?

> > > >

> > > > Staan Bal ( Uchha, neecha, own sign) ..that

> makes

> > > > sense

> > > >

> > > > Retrograde ( planet retro in rashi will be

> retro

> > > in

> > > > navansha as well)

> > > >

> > > > Do you use house placements ( 6-8-12 from

> lagna

> > > amsha

> > > > )

> > > >

> > > > Can you use dig bala ?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> >

>

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Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Satish ji

I made an attempt to understand ShadBalas.As you are far learned than

me,you are aware of

Sthana(Positional)/Dik(Directional)/Kala(Temporal)/Cheshta

(Motional)/Naisargika(Natural)/Drik(Aspectual) Balas forming the six

type of strengths.

Among these Divisionals of a planet is considered only for Sthana

Bala.

So let us analyse it in detail.

Sthana or Positional is again subdivided into -

Ucha

Ucha Bala is calculated only based on Rashi position.If Navamsha

Sambandhas are taken then counterproductive results will come as one

has to consider Paramocha and Parama neecha positions.This also

explains the difference between an exalted planet and a planet

attaining navamsha in its exaltation rashi.Effects are not the same.

SaptaVargaja

It is based on a planets Varga sambandha with own/mithra or subha

rashis.Varga sambandha with Moolatrikona Rashi gets maximum

shashtyamsha(45).Exaltation is not considered,supporting the view

expressed above.

Ojayugma/Ojayugma Rashyamshaka

It is based on the sex of planet and Oja/yugma nature of the rashi in

which it is placed or having navamsha sambandha.No dispute here.

Kendradi

Strength arising out of placement in Kendra,panaphara,kona etc are

Kendradi Balas.Here only Kendras etc from LAGNA Rashi positions are

considered for strength computation.Not from kendras to Lagna

Navamsha or Lagna Saptamsha Rashis.On the other hand for

Ojayugma/SaptaVargaja/Dreshkana etc Varga positions are considered.It

points to usage of vargas.

LAGNA KENDRA is ''KENDRA'' for Jataka while other Rashis are

Paraspara kendras working as paraspara karakas for concerned bhavas.

Dreshkana

Here again strengths are considered based on sex of a planet and

their placement within 1st ,2nd or 3rd - 10 degree sectors

(Dreshkanas) WITHIN a RASHI.

Similar to Bhavat/Bhavam one can consider 4th 10th etc from Lagna

navamsha in rashichakra.But aspects and placements are to be

considered based on rashi positions.

I got more clues from Karakamsha shlokas and will share them.

Kindly correct if the above shadbala computations are wrong.

Respect

Pardeep

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Satish,

>

> It is the Kendra and Kona in Navamsha, so it is with respective to

> Navamsha lagna, as indicated by Parashara. Yes, Rahu in Mesha

navamsha

> will yet afflict Mars, is my opinion.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> SPK wrote:

> >

> > Chandrashekarji,

> >

> > How do you define kendra/kona in navansha. Is it

> > kendra/kona house in nnavansha OR kendra/kona of rashi

> > ?

> >

> > About Rahu/ketu,are you saying that if rahu say in

> > mesh navansha will make mangal weak ?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Satish

> > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

> > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Satish,

> > >

> > > Their placement in Kendra, Trikona, own, friend,

> > > exaltation navamsha,

> > > indicate strength and reverse of this indicates

> > > weakness. Also

> > > occupation of same navamsha as of the node indicates

> > > weakness. By

> > > logical extension occupation of navamsha owned by a

> > > planet by node also

> > > indicates its weakness.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > SPK wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Chadrashekharji,

> > > >

> > > > How do you find the strength of planet in navansha

> > > ?

> > > > What paramater to use ?

> > > >

> > > > You can not use all the shadbala strengths in

> > > navansha

> > > > or can you ?

> > > >

> > > > Staan Bal ( Uchha, neecha, own sign) ..that makes

> > > > sense

> > > >

> > > > Retrograde ( planet retro in rashi will be retro

> > > in

> > > > navansha as well)

> > > >

> > > > Do you use house placements ( 6-8-12 from lagna

> > > amsha

> > > > )

> > > >

> > > > Can you use dig bala ?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> >

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June 8, 2007

Dear Satish,

It is Kendra and Kona in navamsha chart. So the kendra and Kona in the

navamsha charts are to be examined and not in kendra or Kona from

Navamsha lagna rasi in Rasi chart. This is also the principle behind the

navamsha tulya rasi and rasi tulya navamsha, that is used by advanced

astrologers.

Chandrashekhar.

SPK wrote:

>

> Thanks Chadrashekharji,

> Again I missed asking the question correctly. Is it

> kendra and kona in navansha treated as a chart or

> kendra and kona from navansha lagna rashi referenced

> in rashi chart ?

>

> Thanks

>

> Satish

> --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

> <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Satish,

> >

> > It is the Kendra and Kona in Navamsha, so it is with

> > respective to

> > Navamsha lagna, as indicated by Parashara. Yes, Rahu

> > in Mesha navamsha

> > will yet afflict Mars, is my opinion.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > SPK wrote:

> > >

> > > Chandrashekarji,

> > >

> > > How do you define kendra/kona in navansha. Is it

> > > kendra/kona house in nnavansha OR kendra/kona of

> > rashi

> > > ?

> > >

> > > About Rahu/ketu,are you saying that if rahu say in

> > > mesh navansha will make mangal weak ?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Satish

> > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

> <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Satish,

> > > >

> > > > Their placement in Kendra, Trikona, own, friend,

> > > > exaltation navamsha,

> > > > indicate strength and reverse of this indicates

> > > > weakness. Also

> > > > occupation of same navamsha as of the node

> > indicates

> > > > weakness. By

> > > > logical extension occupation of navamsha owned

> > by a

> > > > planet by node also

> > > > indicates its weakness.

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > SPK wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Chadrashekharji,

> > > > >

> > > > > How do you find the strength of planet in

> > navansha

> > > > ?

> > > > > What paramater to use ?

> > > > >

> > > > > You can not use all the shadbala strengths in

> > > > navansha

> > > > > or can you ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Staan Bal ( Uchha, neecha, own sign) ..that

> > makes

> > > > > sense

> > > > >

> > > > > Retrograde ( planet retro in rashi will be

> > retro

> > > > in

> > > > > navansha as well)

> > > > >

> > > > > Do you use house placements ( 6-8-12 from

> > lagna

> > > > amsha

> > > > > )

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you use dig bala ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > >

> >

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Thnaks again.

I was not sure whether you take houses in navansha or

not. The ongoing discussion on the same has been

inconclusive for many. Do you take houses in any other

divisions ? It appears that you do to houses

in navansha. Coreect me if I am mistaken.

Satish

--- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

wrote:

> Dear Satish,

>

> It is Kendra and Kona in navamsha chart. So the

> kendra and Kona in the

> navamsha charts are to be examined and not in kendra

> or Kona from

> Navamsha lagna rasi in Rasi chart. This is also the

> principle behind the

> navamsha tulya rasi and rasi tulya navamsha, that is

> used by advanced

> astrologers.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> SPK wrote:

> >

> > Thanks Chadrashekharji,

> > Again I missed asking the question correctly. Is

> it

> > kendra and kona in navansha treated as a chart or

> > kendra and kona from navansha lagna rashi

> referenced

> > in rashi chart ?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Satish

> > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

> > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Satish,

> > >

> > > It is the Kendra and Kona in Navamsha, so it is

> with

> > > respective to

> > > Navamsha lagna, as indicated by Parashara. Yes,

> Rahu

> > > in Mesha navamsha

> > > will yet afflict Mars, is my opinion.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > SPK wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekarji,

> > > >

> > > > How do you define kendra/kona in navansha. Is

> it

> > > > kendra/kona house in nnavansha OR kendra/kona

> of

> > > rashi

> > > > ?

> > > >

> > > > About Rahu/ketu,are you saying that if rahu

> say in

> > > > mesh navansha will make mangal weak ?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > > Satish

> > > > --- Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46

> > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Satish,

> > > > >

> > > > > Their placement in Kendra, Trikona, own,

> friend,

> > > > > exaltation navamsha,

> > > > > indicate strength and reverse of this

> indicates

> > > > > weakness. Also

> > > > > occupation of same navamsha as of the node

> > > indicates

> > > > > weakness. By

> > > > > logical extension occupation of navamsha

> owned

> > > by a

> > > > > planet by node also

> > > > > indicates its weakness.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > SPK wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chadrashekharji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How do you find the strength of planet in

> > > navansha

> > > > > ?

> > > > > > What paramater to use ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You can not use all the shadbala strengths

> in

> > > > > navansha

> > > > > > or can you ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Staan Bal ( Uchha, neecha, own sign)

> ..that

> > > makes

> > > > > > sense

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Retrograde ( planet retro in rashi will be

> > > retro

> > > > > in

> > > > > > navansha as well)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do you use house placements ( 6-8-12 from

> > > lagna

> > > > > amsha

> > > > > > )

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you use dig bala ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Satish,

The houses of Navamsha are indicative of certain distance in degrees

from the 3 degrees 20 minutes arc lying in Lagna sphuta. Instead of

giving complex numbers to remember the sages talk in terms of houses in

navamsha chart. If that was not the case sages would not talk of a graha

being in debility in navamsha or in exaltation there, for that matter.

That is actually the reason of drawing divisional charts. It helps in

defining how certain distance in degrees between the grahas or the

multiples of those degrees can bee seen easily. So houses will have to

be seen in Divisional charts on a different level but none the less they

will have to be seen.

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

SPK wrote:

>

> Thnaks again.

>

> I was not sure whether you take houses in navansha or

> not. The ongoing discussion on the same has been

> inconclusive for many. Do you take houses in any other

> divisions ? It appears that you do to houses

> in navansha. Coreect me if I am mistaken.

>

> Satish

> --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

> <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Satish,

> >

> > It is Kendra and Kona in navamsha chart. So the

> > kendra and Kona in the

> > navamsha charts are to be examined and not in kendra

> > or Kona from

> > Navamsha lagna rasi in Rasi chart. This is also the

> > principle behind the

> > navamsha tulya rasi and rasi tulya navamsha, that is

> > used by advanced

> > astrologers.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > SPK wrote:

> > >

> > > Thanks Chadrashekharji,

> > > Again I missed asking the question correctly. Is

> > it

> > > kendra and kona in navansha treated as a chart or

> > > kendra and kona from navansha lagna rashi

> > referenced

> > > in rashi chart ?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Satish

> > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

> <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Satish,

> > > >

> > > > It is the Kendra and Kona in Navamsha, so it is

> > with

> > > > respective to

> > > > Navamsha lagna, as indicated by Parashara. Yes,

> > Rahu

> > > > in Mesha navamsha

> > > > will yet afflict Mars, is my opinion.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > SPK wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekarji,

> > > > >

> > > > > How do you define kendra/kona in navansha. Is

> > it

> > > > > kendra/kona house in nnavansha OR kendra/kona

> > of

> > > > rashi

> > > > > ?

> > > > >

> > > > > About Rahu/ketu,are you saying that if rahu

> > say in

> > > > > mesh navansha will make mangal weak ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > > > Satish

> > > > > --- Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46 <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Satish,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Their placement in Kendra, Trikona, own,

> > friend,

> > > > > > exaltation navamsha,

> > > > > > indicate strength and reverse of this

> > indicates

> > > > > > weakness. Also

> > > > > > occupation of same navamsha as of the node

> > > > indicates

> > > > > > weakness. By

> > > > > > logical extension occupation of navamsha

> > owned

> > > > by a

> > > > > > planet by node also

> > > > > > indicates its weakness.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SPK wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chadrashekharji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > How do you find the strength of planet in

> > > > navansha

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > What paramater to use ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You can not use all the shadbala strengths

> > in

> > > > > > navansha

> > > > > > > or can you ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Staan Bal ( Uchha, neecha, own sign)

> > ..that

> > > > makes

> > > > > > > sense

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Retrograde ( planet retro in rashi will be

> > > > retro

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > navansha as well)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Do you use house placements ( 6-8-12 from

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > amsha

> > > > > > > )

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Dear Satish,

As far as the Ancient system is concerned, neither houses nor

aspects are considered in Navamha. To take an example, Sun in Aries

Lagna is in 12th Degree (4th Navamsha), then the navamsa is-

* the navamsa is in Cancer.

* the navamsa falls on 4th house from natal Lagna

* the navamsa is in the house of Moon (Navamsa lord is Moon)

* the navamsa is in a friendly sign (i.e. Su Navamsa in Moon's sign)

Note that the every thing is told based on Natal Lagna. The position

of Lagna navamsa is irrelevant in deriving predictions for Sun's

Navamsa falling on 4th house from Lagna.

Thus here house, aspect all are relative to natal chart. No house or

aspect is considered relative to Navamsa chart (such a thing does not

exist) or the position of navamsa lagna in it.

This was the ancient system, and this is the system followed in south

india even now.

Love,

Sreenadh

, SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Thnaks again.

>

> I was not sure whether you take houses in navansha or

> not. The ongoing discussion on the same has been

> inconclusive for many. Do you take houses in any other

> divisions ? It appears that you do to houses

> in navansha. Coreect me if I am mistaken.

>

> Satish

> --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Satish,

> >

> > It is Kendra and Kona in navamsha chart. So the

> > kendra and Kona in the

> > navamsha charts are to be examined and not in kendra

> > or Kona from

> > Navamsha lagna rasi in Rasi chart. This is also the

> > principle behind the

> > navamsha tulya rasi and rasi tulya navamsha, that is

> > used by advanced

> > astrologers.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > SPK wrote:

> > >

> > > Thanks Chadrashekharji,

> > > Again I missed asking the question correctly. Is

> > it

> > > kendra and kona in navansha treated as a chart or

> > > kendra and kona from navansha lagna rashi

> > referenced

> > > in rashi chart ?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Satish

> > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

> > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Satish,

> > > >

> > > > It is the Kendra and Kona in Navamsha, so it is

> > with

> > > > respective to

> > > > Navamsha lagna, as indicated by Parashara. Yes,

> > Rahu

> > > > in Mesha navamsha

> > > > will yet afflict Mars, is my opinion.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > SPK wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekarji,

> > > > >

> > > > > How do you define kendra/kona in navansha. Is

> > it

> > > > > kendra/kona house in nnavansha OR kendra/kona

> > of

> > > > rashi

> > > > > ?

> > > > >

> > > > > About Rahu/ketu,are you saying that if rahu

> > say in

> > > > > mesh navansha will make mangal weak ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > > > Satish

> > > > > --- Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46

> > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Satish,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Their placement in Kendra, Trikona, own,

> > friend,

> > > > > > exaltation navamsha,

> > > > > > indicate strength and reverse of this

> > indicates

> > > > > > weakness. Also

> > > > > > occupation of same navamsha as of the node

> > > > indicates

> > > > > > weakness. By

> > > > > > logical extension occupation of navamsha

> > owned

> > > > by a

> > > > > > planet by node also

> > > > > > indicates its weakness.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SPK wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chadrashekharji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > How do you find the strength of planet in

> > > > navansha

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > What paramater to use ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You can not use all the shadbala strengths

> > in

> > > > > > navansha

> > > > > > > or can you ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Staan Bal ( Uchha, neecha, own sign)

> > ..that

> > > > makes

> > > > > > > sense

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Retrograde ( planet retro in rashi will be

> > > > retro

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > navansha as well)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Do you use house placements ( 6-8-12 from

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > amsha

> > > > > > > )

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can you use dig bala ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

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Dear Pradeep,

Shadbalas are not seen in Navamsha as they are the strength of the

grahas in 6 of the divisional charts including the lagna chart. Same is

the case with Saptavargajabala.

Chandrashekhar.

vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Satish ji

>

> I made an attempt to understand ShadBalas.As you are far learned than

> me,you are aware of

>

> Sthana(Positional)/Dik(Directional)/Kala(Temporal)/Cheshta

> (Motional)/Naisargika(Natural)/Drik(Aspectual) Balas forming the six

> type of strengths.

>

> Among these Divisionals of a planet is considered only for Sthana

> Bala.

>

> So let us analyse it in detail.

>

> Sthana or Positional is again subdivided into -

>

> Ucha

> Ucha Bala is calculated only based on Rashi position.If Navamsha

> Sambandhas are taken then counterproductive results will come as one

> has to consider Paramocha and Parama neecha positions.This also

> explains the difference between an exalted planet and a planet

> attaining navamsha in its exaltation rashi.Effects are not the same.

>

> SaptaVargaja

> It is based on a planets Varga sambandha with own/mithra or subha

> rashis.Varga sambandha with Moolatrikona Rashi gets maximum

> shashtyamsha(45).Exaltation is not considered,supporting the view

> expressed above.

>

> Ojayugma/Ojayugma Rashyamshaka

> It is based on the sex of planet and Oja/yugma nature of the rashi in

> which it is placed or having navamsha sambandha.No dispute here.

>

> Kendradi

>

> Strength arising out of placement in Kendra,panaphara,kona etc are

> Kendradi Balas.Here only Kendras etc from LAGNA Rashi positions are

> considered for strength computation.Not from kendras to Lagna

> Navamsha or Lagna Saptamsha Rashis.On the other hand for

> Ojayugma/SaptaVargaja/Dreshkana etc Varga positions are considered.It

> points to usage of vargas.

>

> LAGNA KENDRA is ''KENDRA'' for Jataka while other Rashis are

> Paraspara kendras working as paraspara karakas for concerned bhavas.

>

> Dreshkana

>

> Here again strengths are considered based on sex of a planet and

> their placement within 1st ,2nd or 3rd - 10 degree sectors

> (Dreshkanas) WITHIN a RASHI.

>

> Similar to Bhavat/Bhavam one can consider 4th 10th etc from Lagna

> navamsha in rashichakra.But aspects and placements are to be

> considered based on rashi positions.

> I got more clues from Karakamsha shlokas and will share them.

>

> Kindly correct if the above shadbala computations are wrong.

>

> Respect

> Pardeep

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Satish,

> >

> > It is the Kendra and Kona in Navamsha, so it is with respective to

> > Navamsha lagna, as indicated by Parashara. Yes, Rahu in Mesha

> navamsha

> > will yet afflict Mars, is my opinion.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > SPK wrote:

> > >

> > > Chandrashekarji,

> > >

> > > How do you define kendra/kona in navansha. Is it

> > > kendra/kona house in nnavansha OR kendra/kona of rashi

> > > ?

> > >

> > > About Rahu/ketu,are you saying that if rahu say in

> > > mesh navansha will make mangal weak ?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Satish

> > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

> > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Satish,

> > > >

> > > > Their placement in Kendra, Trikona, own, friend,

> > > > exaltation navamsha,

> > > > indicate strength and reverse of this indicates

> > > > weakness. Also

> > > > occupation of same navamsha as of the node indicates

> > > > weakness. By

> > > > logical extension occupation of navamsha owned by a

> > > > planet by node also

> > > > indicates its weakness.

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > SPK wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Chadrashekharji,

> > > > >

> > > > > How do you find the strength of planet in navansha

> > > > ?

> > > > > What paramater to use ?

> > > > >

> > > > > You can not use all the shadbala strengths in

> > > > navansha

> > > > > or can you ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Staan Bal ( Uchha, neecha, own sign) ..that makes

> > > > > sense

> > > > >

> > > > > Retrograde ( planet retro in rashi will be retro

> > > > in

> > > > > navansha as well)

> > > > >

> > > > > Do you use house placements ( 6-8-12 from lagna

> > > > amsha

> > > > > )

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you use dig bala ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

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Dear Sreenadh,

I am in agreement with you from a logical standpoint.

What about the verses people quote from Kalayan Verma

stating in many places, " Sun aspecting mercury..etc. "

Rohinranjan had written an artilce on similar

discussion on this or some other forum. Now we know

for sure that Sun and mercury can not aspect each

other, they can not be in kendra from each other in

physical space.

Any comments on this.

Satish

--- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

> Dear Satish,

> As far as the Ancient system is concerned, neither

> houses nor

> aspects are considered in Navamha. To take an

> example, Sun in Aries

> Lagna is in 12th Degree (4th Navamsha), then the

> navamsa is-

> * the navamsa is in Cancer.

> * the navamsa falls on 4th house from natal Lagna

> * the navamsa is in the house of Moon (Navamsa lord

> is Moon)

> * the navamsa is in a friendly sign (i.e. Su

> Navamsa in Moon's sign)

> Note that the every thing is told based on Natal

> Lagna. The position

> of Lagna navamsa is irrelevant in deriving

> predictions for Sun's

> Navamsa falling on 4th house from Lagna.

> Thus here house, aspect all are relative to natal

> chart. No house or

> aspect is considered relative to Navamsa chart (such

> a thing does not

> exist) or the position of navamsa lagna in it.

> This was the ancient system, and this is the system

> followed in south

> india even now.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

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Dear Satish,

Most of such statemets are related to Nabhasa yogas. There is a

story related to the same which I will tell in detail another time.

But to be brief the story goes like this (as stated by Sounaka Hora) -

Kausika (Viswamitra) got a copy of Vasishta Hora from a traveller,

and mistaking it as a copy of Skanda Hora and in an effort to create a

bigger and better text than Vasishta Hora, he exerted his logic and

created a book of 36000 slokas (It is said that Vasishta hora

contained 16000 slokas). Narada was the person who ignited the jelousy

in Viswamitra to undertake this huge effort. But due to the lack of

astronomical knowledge of Viswamitra (He depended more on logic to

derive the yogas and create the big book), the text also contained

many slokas that does not match with astronomical reality. Students of

Vasishta started making fun of Viswamitra's hora (Kousika hora) due to

this. Later Viswamitra happen to learn Astronomy from Maya (Student

of Sage Surya) and realized that his book contained many unreal

combinations. He worshiped god and the god gave his blessings that if

someone is creating an astrology book without quoting at least some of

such combinations mentioned by Kausika his book will not become famous!

What ever the case be, (possibly due this traditional story) we can

find such combinations mentioned by Varaha Mihira, Kalayana Varma etc

usually in the Nabhasa Yoga context. Don't get mislead by the same.

The fact that many such combinations are mentioned in texts, and also

that such combinations are astronomical impossibilities, is well known

from ancient past (even from the period of Sounaka Hora).

Love,

Sreenadh

, SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh,

>

> I am in agreement with you from a logical standpoint.

> What about the verses people quote from Kalayan Verma

> stating in many places, " Sun aspecting mercury..etc. "

> Rohinranjan had written an artilce on similar

> discussion on this or some other forum. Now we know

> for sure that Sun and mercury can not aspect each

> other, they can not be in kendra from each other in

> physical space.

>

> Any comments on this.

>

> Satish

> --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

>

> > Dear Satish,

> > As far as the Ancient system is concerned, neither

> > houses nor

> > aspects are considered in Navamha. To take an

> > example, Sun in Aries

> > Lagna is in 12th Degree (4th Navamsha), then the

> > navamsa is-

> > * the navamsa is in Cancer.

> > * the navamsa falls on 4th house from natal Lagna

> > * the navamsa is in the house of Moon (Navamsa lord

> > is Moon)

> > * the navamsa is in a friendly sign (i.e. Su

> > Navamsa in Moon's sign)

> > Note that the every thing is told based on Natal

> > Lagna. The position

> > of Lagna navamsa is irrelevant in deriving

> > predictions for Sun's

> > Navamsa falling on 4th house from Lagna.

> > Thus here house, aspect all are relative to natal

> > chart. No house or

> > aspect is considered relative to Navamsa chart (such

> > a thing does not

> > exist) or the position of navamsa lagna in it.

> > This was the ancient system, and this is the system

> > followed in south

> > india even now.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

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