Varga Longitudes and new Nakshathras ?!!! -Ms.Margaret

[Guest guest]

Dear Ms Margaret

 

Navamshas show one kind of relationship a graha is having with a

Rashi.It is interesting to note your observation (Gemini/Sag)

axis.Gemini is the natural third(initiatives) which can be quick

(nature of budha) and Yuva/Prince(immature).Moreover budha

represents student/study.

 

Dhanu is the kshethra of Guru.Guru is teacher and we are talking

about shoot out in institutions.Dhanu Rashi likes Samara as it is

qualified as having ''Samarotsukata'' - enthusiastic or ever-

prepared to fight.Being the natural 9th - the house of dharma and

Justice - fights can be for a genuine cause reviving/upholding

dharma.The symbol of archer conveys the enthusiasm.(Disclaimer -This

refers to an ideal condition and not a generalisation for Dhanu -You

know about the past debates).

 

If some Malefics or similar functionals have attained navamshas on

Gemini and Sag Rashis,it shows some subtle trigger creating

imbalance.We have to also see the aspects/lordship/placement of/on

these planets in those Rashis before arriving at conclusions.

 

Thanks for your open attitude.Kindly share the charts.

 

Regds

Pradeep

 

, " Marg " <margie9 wrote:

>

> Hi Satish

>

> I am only responding for your request to share my view.

> I have tried to follow this ongoing debate for many years now, and

have kept an open mind about it.

> More recently I was reminded of the debate when I set up a number

of charts all of which were times of shootings in schools. What did

surprise me was that in every chart the navamsa showed the Gemini

Sag axis was emphasised. I found this unexplainable as I still don't

see why this should show in these signs in navamsa but not rasi,

and can't find a rational or understandable explanation as to why it

should be this way, even though I looked at the illustration of the

zodiac and divisions and their distribution on a huge display of

them that I have.

>

> There must be some subtle connection with the signs in amsas and

rasi but I could not decode a degree relationship or aspectual

relationship in rasi which would unravel the mystery of connection

though clearly the ancient sages understood it, but it is still a

mystery to me. Perhaps someone could explain it?

> best wishes

> M

> -

> SPK

>

> Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:17 PM

> Re: Varga Longitudes and new

Nakshathras ?!!!

>

>

> Vijaydas,

>

> I agree with your views on the subject. Using sign

> divisions as divisional charts has been a big myth.

> The myth has reached such proportions that it is now

> institutionalized into an unquestionable truth. I am

> glad that there are a few who are willing to challenge

> the myth or atleast reevaluate its validity.

> Divisional charts have made explaining away the

> " known " unexplainable very easy and efficient. When

> one can't explain a chart, create new parameters thats

> the modern mantra.

>

> Satish

> --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Respected members

> >

> > I have been troubling and disturbing many learned

> > souls since long

> > and request apology.

> >

> > I have to repeat as now there are attempts to bring

> > in concepts of

> > varga longitudes and new nakshathras inspite of all

> > the ''NEW

> > theories'' we are having at the moment.

> >

> > 1)Can we imagine VIOLET amsha within WHITE light

> > relating back to

> > VIOLET Colour as a WHOLE.Similarly we have 12 Rashis

> > and within

> > those Rashis there are again tattwa principles

> > relating back to

> > Individual Rashis.

> >

> >

> > 2)Rashi Chakra and planetary dispositions are the

> > only patterns that

> > are ''VISIBLE'' or in other words physically

> > manifested.

> >

> > 3)Amsha sambandhas are subtle currents through which

> > planets are

> > relating to various RASHIS within RASHI CHAKRA which

> > CANNOT be

> > physically FELT or VISIBLE.For eg NavaPranas as in

> > navamsha

> > sambandha.

> >

> > 4)Some of us do repeat like parrot,every now and

> > then - Rashi is

> > Physical ..Rashi is physical..Rashi is physical on

> > one hand and keep

> > on treating and analysing Varga sambandhas as

> > seperate charts with

> > PHYSICAL and GROSS PRINCIPLES - outside Rashi

> > chakra!!.

> >

> > Vargas are found through a single ''physical

> > longitude'' and those

> > relations do not have further longitudes!!!.

> >

> > Varga sambandha is not ahowing any Physical

> > disposition which one

> > can see as in ASPECT or PLACEMENT.Those are subtle

> > connections

> > between Rashi tattwas.

> >

> > If it is contradicting with the understanding of

> > learned

> > souls,kindly forgive.

> >

> > Pls share your views

> > Respect

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

> ________

> Got a little couch potato?

> Check out fun summer activities for kids.

> http://search./search?

fr=oni_on_mail & p=summer+activities+for+kids & cs=bz

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Pradeep

 

Thank you for your exposition which is a good evaluation of the sign placements,

and how this emphasis on them relates to the shootings in schools.

 

However, due to the signs only being emphasised in navamsa, not rasi I wasn't

sure why or whether it was appropriate to interpret this way from navamsa

placements which are about marriage and future..hope I am being clear about my

meaning...

 

Certainly if we go back to basics then naming of navamsas relates primarily to

the triplicities of earth fire air and water, and each cardinal rasi begins its

navamsa count with its own sign, thus attention is drawn to quadruplicity of

cardinal/chara, mutable/dwisha and sthira/fixed. So Gem /Sag are air and fire

respectively, and both are dwishabha.

 

Attention is then drawn to the fact that both are also male signs, not

feminine, and it is (no offense intended or sexism) primarily, to my knowledge,

only men who perform this act.

 

Dhanu is warriorlike also whilst Gemini is sudra/servant.

 

Gemini navamsa is not found in the water triplicity and Dhanu navamsa is not

found in the earth triplicity.

 

Triplicities deal with temperament whilst the quadruplicities deal with modes of

activity.

So this navamsa placement understood in the above context, gives us more insight

into the nature of the person or the event.

 

If we can apply these interps of Gem/Sag in a navamsa setting, then why can we

not take it one step further and apply aspects as well, I hear many ask.......

 

The planetary relationship in rasi completely changes in navamsa and of course I

understand the mechanics astrologically of ninth division, but I don't

understand the rationale as to why the rishis allotted these little divisionals

in this manner causing the planetary relationships in rasi to each other to

completely change in navamsa.

Now if I understood why they did this, then perhaps I might be more confident of

knowing whether it is appropriate to use aspects and pay more attention to

degree placements in navamsa.

And if we are saying it is OK to talk about the Gem Sag axis, which defines an

opposition aspect, then why aren't we saying we can use the other aspects as

well I wonder.

I will type the data and post it a little later, please bear with me

best wishes

M

 

 

 

 

-

vijayadas_pradeep

Wednesday, June 06, 2007 5:31 PM

Re: Varga Longitudes and new Nakshathras ?!!!

-Ms.Margaret

 

 

Dear Ms Margaret

 

Navamshas show one kind of relationship a graha is having with a

Rashi.It is interesting to note your observation (Gemini/Sag)

axis.Gemini is the natural third(initiatives) which can be quick

(nature of budha) and Yuva/Prince(immature).Moreover budha

represents student/study.

 

Dhanu is the kshethra of Guru.Guru is teacher and we are talking

about shoot out in institutions.Dhanu Rashi likes Samara as it is

qualified as having ''Samarotsukata'' - enthusiastic or ever-

prepared to fight.Being the natural 9th - the house of dharma and

Justice - fights can be for a genuine cause reviving/upholding

dharma.The symbol of archer conveys the enthusiasm.(Disclaimer -This

refers to an ideal condition and not a generalisation for Dhanu -You

know about the past debates).

 

If some Malefics or similar functionals have attained navamshas on

Gemini and Sag Rashis,it shows some subtle trigger creating

imbalance.We have to also see the aspects/lordship/placement of/on

these planets in those Rashis before arriving at conclusions.

 

Thanks for your open attitude.Kindly share the charts.

 

Regds

Pradeep

 

, " Marg " <margie9 wrote:

>

> Hi Satish

>

> I am only responding for your request to share my view.

> I have tried to follow this ongoing debate for many years now, and

have kept an open mind about it.

> More recently I was reminded of the debate when I set up a number

of charts all of which were times of shootings in schools. What did

surprise me was that in every chart the navamsa showed the Gemini

Sag axis was emphasised. I found this unexplainable as I still don't

see why this should show in these signs in navamsa but not rasi,

and can't find a rational or understandable explanation as to why it

should be this way, even though I looked at the illustration of the

zodiac and divisions and their distribution on a huge display of

them that I have.

>

> There must be some subtle connection with the signs in amsas and

rasi but I could not decode a degree relationship or aspectual

relationship in rasi which would unravel the mystery of connection

though clearly the ancient sages understood it, but it is still a

mystery to me. Perhaps someone could explain it?

> best wishes

> M

> -

> SPK

>

> Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:17 PM

> Re: Varga Longitudes and new

Nakshathras ?!!!

>

>

> Vijaydas,

>

> I agree with your views on the subject. Using sign

> divisions as divisional charts has been a big myth.

> The myth has reached such proportions that it is now

> institutionalized into an unquestionable truth. I am

> glad that there are a few who are willing to challenge

> the myth or atleast reevaluate its validity.

> Divisional charts have made explaining away the

> " known " unexplainable very easy and efficient. When

> one can't explain a chart, create new parameters thats

> the modern mantra.

>

> Satish

> --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Respected members

> >

> > I have been troubling and disturbing many learned

> > souls since long

> > and request apology.

> >

> > I have to repeat as now there are attempts to bring

> > in concepts of

> > varga longitudes and new nakshathras inspite of all

> > the ''NEW

> > theories'' we are having at the moment.

> >

> > 1)Can we imagine VIOLET amsha within WHITE light

> > relating back to

> > VIOLET Colour as a WHOLE.Similarly we have 12 Rashis

> > and within

> > those Rashis there are again tattwa principles

> > relating back to

> > Individual Rashis.

> >

> >

> > 2)Rashi Chakra and planetary dispositions are the

> > only patterns that

> > are ''VISIBLE'' or in other words physically

> > manifested.

> >

> > 3)Amsha sambandhas are subtle currents through which

> > planets are

> > relating to various RASHIS within RASHI CHAKRA which

> > CANNOT be

> > physically FELT or VISIBLE.For eg NavaPranas as in

> > navamsha

> > sambandha.

> >

> > 4)Some of us do repeat like parrot,every now and

> > then - Rashi is

> > Physical ..Rashi is physical..Rashi is physical on

> > one hand and keep

> > on treating and analysing Varga sambandhas as

> > seperate charts with

> > PHYSICAL and GROSS PRINCIPLES - outside Rashi

> > chakra!!.

> >

> > Vargas are found through a single ''physical

> > longitude'' and those

> > relations do not have further longitudes!!!.

> >

> > Varga sambandha is not ahowing any Physical

> > disposition which one

> > can see as in ASPECT or PLACEMENT.Those are subtle

> > connections

> > between Rashi tattwas.

> >

> > If it is contradicting with the understanding of

> > learned

> > souls,kindly forgive.

> >

> > Pls share your views

> > Respect

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

> ________

> Got a little couch potato?

> Check out fun summer activities for kids.

> http://search./search?

fr=oni_on_mail & p=summer+activities+for+kids & cs=bz

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Ms Margaret

 

You have covered the points in detail.Especially sex of signs and the

tattwas behind navamsha definition.Thanks a lot.

After your mail,i feel i have not been able to convey my

understanding properly inspite of numerous mails in the past

including the previous one.Otherwise your doubt regarding aspect

and ''navamsha setting'' would not have arised in the first place.

 

My point is when we anlalyse a chart,we are not analysing rashi

chakra in isolation first -stop-and then take up navamsha

seperately.Rather they go together.

For this i draw your attention towards the old style of drawing

navamsha sambandhas out side rashi chakra.When we talk about a planet

1)Placed in Gemini/Sag 2)having navamsha sambandha there, we are not

talking about 2 different Geminis and Sag.It says those planets are

related to the same Gemini/Sag Rashi through different ways.For the

same reason they are called as Amshaka Rashis.

 

Now let me mention the difference.Rashi position is the

manifested ,physically measurable and visible relationship.The

distance between them is measurable and is also a physical function

which is responsible for a physical relationship.Drishti is a visible

function.For example sage said Rashis do not aspect those in their

sides(Side being a physical concept).Also planetary special aspects

are based on atsronomy(outer /inner - Physical functions).

 

Navamshas and other Varga sambandhas are pointing to subtler

relationships.

 

Let us assume that we have a pond with 12 sectors of ropes tied from

the centre to the circumference,simlar to rashi chakra.Assume we are

throwing nine stones into various sectors.The physical placement

shows rashi positions.Now these stones will create ripples and waves

generated will move and join other sectors.Sometimes this wave can

come back exactly to the same sector(Vargottama).These relations are

amshaka Sambandhas.As you may see the Rashi is the same,but one stone

(planet) is having different kinds of relationships - one through

waves and another through fall(position).

 

Now in astrology,the difference is - Sage has said a particular point

within a Rashi is having a subtle connection with another rashi

through tattwa sambandha - analogous but through another principle

which is beyond our understanding.Depending on the kind of division

(drekkana/navamsha/dashamsha) relationship pattern varies.This is

because one planet can radiate multiple waves at the same time for

different purposes.For example you are one but you can be

mother,wife,sister,granddaughter,student,astrologer etc at the same

time.

 

Now we cannot find aspect from a place where a wave from one planet

has joined to another place where a wave from another planet has

joined.

 

Thus Gemini/Navamsha axis is just one ,planetary emphasis can be

through placement or navamsha sambandha.We analyse them together with

aspects always from rashi position.

 

In this light if you see the Lagna shadvargake shloka- things will be

more clear.Lagna is having shadvarga sambandhas with some rashis.If

the same planet is aspecting or joining all of these Rashis then Raja

yoga results.For example Lagna Rashi is Cancer,Lagna Hora rashi is

Cancer,Lagna drekkana rashi is scorpio,Lagna navamsha rashi is

capricorn,Lagna trimshamsha Rashi is Sag,Saptamsha is Capricorn.Mars

is placed Cancer Rashi.Then Mars is aspecting or Joining the

Shadvargas of Lagna resulting in Rajayoga.

 

Best Regds

Pradeep

 

 

, " Marg " <margie9 wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep

>

> Thank you for your exposition which is a good evaluation of the

sign placements, and how this emphasis on them relates to the

shootings in schools.

>

> However, due to the signs only being emphasised in navamsa, not

rasi I wasn't sure why or whether it was appropriate to interpret

this way from navamsa placements which are about marriage and

future..hope I am being clear about my meaning...

>

> Certainly if we go back to basics then naming of navamsas relates

primarily to the triplicities of earth fire air and water, and each

cardinal rasi begins its navamsa count with its own sign, thus

attention is drawn to quadruplicity of cardinal/chara, mutable/dwisha

and sthira/fixed. So Gem /Sag are air and fire respectively, and

both are dwishabha.

>

> Attention is then drawn to the fact that both are also male signs,

not feminine, and it is (no offense intended or sexism) primarily,

to my knowledge, only men who perform this act.

>

> Dhanu is warriorlike also whilst Gemini is sudra/servant.

>

> Gemini navamsa is not found in the water triplicity and Dhanu

navamsa is not found in the earth triplicity.

>

> Triplicities deal with temperament whilst the quadruplicities deal

with modes of activity.

> So this navamsa placement understood in the above context, gives us

more insight into the nature of the person or the event.

>

> If we can apply these interps of Gem/Sag in a navamsa setting, then

why can we not take it one step further and apply aspects as well, I

hear many ask.......

>

> The planetary relationship in rasi completely changes in navamsa

and of course I understand the mechanics astrologically of ninth

division, but I don't understand the rationale as to why the rishis

allotted these little divisionals in this manner causing the

planetary relationships in rasi to each other to completely change in

navamsa.

> Now if I understood why they did this, then perhaps I might be more

confident of knowing whether it is appropriate to use aspects and pay

more attention to degree placements in navamsa.

> And if we are saying it is OK to talk about the Gem Sag axis, which

defines an opposition aspect, then why aren't we saying we can use

the other aspects as well I wonder.

> I will type the data and post it a little later, please bear with me

> best wishes

> M

>

>

>

>

> -

> vijayadas_pradeep

>

> Wednesday, June 06, 2007 5:31 PM

> Re: Varga Longitudes and new

Nakshathras ?!!! -Ms.Margaret

>

>

> Dear Ms Margaret

>

> Navamshas show one kind of relationship a graha is having with a

> Rashi.It is interesting to note your observation (Gemini/Sag)

> axis.Gemini is the natural third(initiatives) which can be quick

> (nature of budha) and Yuva/Prince(immature).Moreover budha

> represents student/study.

>

> Dhanu is the kshethra of Guru.Guru is teacher and we are talking

> about shoot out in institutions.Dhanu Rashi likes Samara as it is

> qualified as having ''Samarotsukata'' - enthusiastic or ever-

> prepared to fight.Being the natural 9th - the house of dharma and

> Justice - fights can be for a genuine cause reviving/upholding

> dharma.The symbol of archer conveys the enthusiasm.(Disclaimer -

This

> refers to an ideal condition and not a generalisation for Dhanu -

You

> know about the past debates).

>

> If some Malefics or similar functionals have attained navamshas

on

> Gemini and Sag Rashis,it shows some subtle trigger creating

> imbalance.We have to also see the aspects/lordship/placement

of/on

> these planets in those Rashis before arriving at conclusions.

>

> Thanks for your open attitude.Kindly share the charts.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

>

> , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Satish

> >

> > I am only responding for your request to share my view.

> > I have tried to follow this ongoing debate for many years now,

and

> have kept an open mind about it.

> > More recently I was reminded of the debate when I set up a

number

> of charts all of which were times of shootings in schools. What

did

> surprise me was that in every chart the navamsa showed the Gemini

> Sag axis was emphasised. I found this unexplainable as I still

don't

> see why this should show in these signs in navamsa but not rasi,

> and can't find a rational or understandable explanation as to why

it

> should be this way, even though I looked at the illustration of

the

> zodiac and divisions and their distribution on a huge display of

> them that I have.

> >

> > There must be some subtle connection with the signs in amsas

and

> rasi but I could not decode a degree relationship or aspectual

> relationship in rasi which would unravel the mystery of

connection

> though clearly the ancient sages understood it, but it is still a

> mystery to me. Perhaps someone could explain it?

> > best wishes

> > M

> > -

> > SPK

> >

> > Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:17 PM

> > Re: Varga Longitudes and new

> Nakshathras ?!!!

> >

> >

> > Vijaydas,

> >

> > I agree with your views on the subject. Using sign

> > divisions as divisional charts has been a big myth.

> > The myth has reached such proportions that it is now

> > institutionalized into an unquestionable truth. I am

> > glad that there are a few who are willing to challenge

> > the myth or atleast reevaluate its validity.

> > Divisional charts have made explaining away the

> > " known " unexplainable very easy and efficient. When

> > one can't explain a chart, create new parameters thats

> > the modern mantra.

> >

> > Satish

> > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Respected members

> > >

> > > I have been troubling and disturbing many learned

> > > souls since long

> > > and request apology.

> > >

> > > I have to repeat as now there are attempts to bring

> > > in concepts of

> > > varga longitudes and new nakshathras inspite of all

> > > the ''NEW

> > > theories'' we are having at the moment.

> > >

> > > 1)Can we imagine VIOLET amsha within WHITE light

> > > relating back to

> > > VIOLET Colour as a WHOLE.Similarly we have 12 Rashis

> > > and within

> > > those Rashis there are again tattwa principles

> > > relating back to

> > > Individual Rashis.

> > >

> > >

> > > 2)Rashi Chakra and planetary dispositions are the

> > > only patterns that

> > > are ''VISIBLE'' or in other words physically

> > > manifested.

> > >

> > > 3)Amsha sambandhas are subtle currents through which

> > > planets are

> > > relating to various RASHIS within RASHI CHAKRA which

> > > CANNOT be

> > > physically FELT or VISIBLE.For eg NavaPranas as in

> > > navamsha

> > > sambandha.

> > >

> > > 4)Some of us do repeat like parrot,every now and

> > > then - Rashi is

> > > Physical ..Rashi is physical..Rashi is physical on

> > > one hand and keep

> > > on treating and analysing Varga sambandhas as

> > > seperate charts with

> > > PHYSICAL and GROSS PRINCIPLES - outside Rashi

> > > chakra!!.

> > >

> > > Vargas are found through a single ''physical

> > > longitude'' and those

> > > relations do not have further longitudes!!!.

> > >

> > > Varga sambandha is not ahowing any Physical

> > > disposition which one

> > > can see as in ASPECT or PLACEMENT.Those are subtle

> > > connections

> > > between Rashi tattwas.

> > >

> > > If it is contradicting with the understanding of

> > > learned

> > > souls,kindly forgive.

> > >

> > > Pls share your views

> > > Respect

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > ________

> > Got a little couch potato?

> > Check out fun summer activities for kids.

> > http://search./search?

> fr=oni_on_mail & p=summer+activities+for+kids & cs=bz

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Pls read libra as lagna drekkana instead of scorpio,and aquarius as

trimshamsha instead of sag,so that Mars can aspect it from cancer

throug4th and 8th aspects.sorry for the mistake.

 

''For example Lagna Rashi is Cancer,Lagna Hora rashi is

> Cancer,Lagna drekkana rashi is scorpio,Lagna navamsha rashi is

> capricorn,Lagna trimshamsha Rashi is Sag,Saptamsha is

Capricorn.Mars

> is placed Cancer Rashi.Then Mars is aspecting or Joining the

> Shadvargas of Lagna resulting in Rajayoga.

 

 

>

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Ms Margaret

>

> You have covered the points in detail.Especially sex of signs and

the

> tattwas behind navamsha definition.Thanks a lot.

> After your mail,i feel i have not been able to convey my

> understanding properly inspite of numerous mails in the past

> including the previous one.Otherwise your doubt regarding aspect

> and ''navamsha setting'' would not have arised in the first place.

>

> My point is when we anlalyse a chart,we are not analysing rashi

> chakra in isolation first -stop-and then take up navamsha

> seperately.Rather they go together.

> For this i draw your attention towards the old style of drawing

> navamsha sambandhas out side rashi chakra.When we talk about a

planet

> 1)Placed in Gemini/Sag 2)having navamsha sambandha there, we are

not

> talking about 2 different Geminis and Sag.It says those planets are

> related to the same Gemini/Sag Rashi through different ways.For the

> same reason they are called as Amshaka Rashis.

>

> Now let me mention the difference.Rashi position is the

> manifested ,physically measurable and visible relationship.The

> distance between them is measurable and is also a physical function

> which is responsible for a physical relationship.Drishti is a

visible

> function.For example sage said Rashis do not aspect those in their

> sides(Side being a physical concept).Also planetary special aspects

> are based on atsronomy(outer /inner - Physical functions).

>

> Navamshas and other Varga sambandhas are pointing to subtler

> relationships.

>

> Let us assume that we have a pond with 12 sectors of ropes tied

from

> the centre to the circumference,simlar to rashi chakra.Assume we

are

> throwing nine stones into various sectors.The physical placement

> shows rashi positions.Now these stones will create ripples and

waves

> generated will move and join other sectors.Sometimes this wave can

> come back exactly to the same sector(Vargottama).These relations

are

> amshaka Sambandhas.As you may see the Rashi is the same,but one

stone

> (planet) is having different kinds of relationships - one through

> waves and another through fall(position).

>

> Now in astrology,the difference is - Sage has said a particular

point

> within a Rashi is having a subtle connection with another rashi

> through tattwa sambandha - analogous but through another principle

> which is beyond our understanding.Depending on the kind of division

> (drekkana/navamsha/dashamsha) relationship pattern varies.This is

> because one planet can radiate multiple waves at the same time for

> different purposes.For example you are one but you can be

> mother,wife,sister,granddaughter,student,astrologer etc at the same

> time.

>

> Now we cannot find aspect from a place where a wave from one planet

> has joined to another place where a wave from another planet has

> joined.

>

> Thus Gemini/Navamsha axis is just one ,planetary emphasis can be

> through placement or navamsha sambandha.We analyse them together

with

> aspects always from rashi position.

>

> In this light if you see the Lagna shadvargake shloka- things will

be

> more clear.Lagna is having shadvarga sambandhas with some rashis.If

> the same planet is aspecting or joining all of these Rashis then

Raja

> yoga results.For example Lagna Rashi is Cancer,Lagna Hora rashi is

> Cancer,Lagna drekkana rashi is scorpio,Lagna navamsha rashi is

> capricorn,Lagna trimshamsha Rashi is Sag,Saptamsha is

Capricorn.Mars

> is placed Cancer Rashi.Then Mars is aspecting or Joining the

> Shadvargas of Lagna resulting in Rajayoga.

>

> Best Regds

> Pradeep

>

>

> , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep

> >

> > Thank you for your exposition which is a good evaluation of the

> sign placements, and how this emphasis on them relates to the

> shootings in schools.

> >

> > However, due to the signs only being emphasised in navamsa, not

> rasi I wasn't sure why or whether it was appropriate to interpret

> this way from navamsa placements which are about marriage and

> future..hope I am being clear about my meaning...

> >

> > Certainly if we go back to basics then naming of navamsas relates

> primarily to the triplicities of earth fire air and water, and each

> cardinal rasi begins its navamsa count with its own sign, thus

> attention is drawn to quadruplicity of cardinal/chara,

mutable/dwisha

> and sthira/fixed. So Gem /Sag are air and fire respectively, and

> both are dwishabha.

> >

> > Attention is then drawn to the fact that both are also male

signs,

> not feminine, and it is (no offense intended or sexism) primarily,

> to my knowledge, only men who perform this act.

> >

> > Dhanu is warriorlike also whilst Gemini is sudra/servant.

> >

> > Gemini navamsa is not found in the water triplicity and Dhanu

> navamsa is not found in the earth triplicity.

> >

> > Triplicities deal with temperament whilst the quadruplicities

deal

> with modes of activity.

> > So this navamsa placement understood in the above context, gives

us

> more insight into the nature of the person or the event.

> >

> > If we can apply these interps of Gem/Sag in a navamsa setting,

then

> why can we not take it one step further and apply aspects as well,

I

> hear many ask.......

> >

> > The planetary relationship in rasi completely changes in navamsa

> and of course I understand the mechanics astrologically of ninth

> division, but I don't understand the rationale as to why the rishis

> allotted these little divisionals in this manner causing the

> planetary relationships in rasi to each other to completely change

in

> navamsa.

> > Now if I understood why they did this, then perhaps I might be

more

> confident of knowing whether it is appropriate to use aspects and

pay

> more attention to degree placements in navamsa.

> > And if we are saying it is OK to talk about the Gem Sag axis,

which

> defines an opposition aspect, then why aren't we saying we can use

> the other aspects as well I wonder.

> > I will type the data and post it a little later, please bear with

me

> > best wishes

> > M

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > vijayadas_pradeep

> >

> > Wednesday, June 06, 2007 5:31 PM

> > Re: Varga Longitudes and new

> Nakshathras ?!!! -Ms.Margaret

> >

> >

> > Dear Ms Margaret

> >

> > Navamshas show one kind of relationship a graha is having with

a

> > Rashi.It is interesting to note your observation (Gemini/Sag)

> > axis.Gemini is the natural third(initiatives) which can be quick

> > (nature of budha) and Yuva/Prince(immature).Moreover budha

> > represents student/study.

> >

> > Dhanu is the kshethra of Guru.Guru is teacher and we are

talking

> > about shoot out in institutions.Dhanu Rashi likes Samara as it

is

> > qualified as having ''Samarotsukata'' - enthusiastic or ever-

> > prepared to fight.Being the natural 9th - the house of dharma

and

> > Justice - fights can be for a genuine cause reviving/upholding

> > dharma.The symbol of archer conveys the enthusiasm.(Disclaimer -

> This

> > refers to an ideal condition and not a generalisation for

Dhanu -

> You

> > know about the past debates).

> >

> > If some Malefics or similar functionals have attained navamshas

> on

> > Gemini and Sag Rashis,it shows some subtle trigger creating

> > imbalance.We have to also see the aspects/lordship/placement

> of/on

> > these planets in those Rashis before arriving at conclusions.

> >

> > Thanks for your open attitude.Kindly share the charts.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> >

> > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Satish

> > >

> > > I am only responding for your request to share my view.

> > > I have tried to follow this ongoing debate for many years

now,

> and

> > have kept an open mind about it.

> > > More recently I was reminded of the debate when I set up a

> number

> > of charts all of which were times of shootings in schools. What

> did

> > surprise me was that in every chart the navamsa showed the

Gemini

> > Sag axis was emphasised. I found this unexplainable as I still

> don't

> > see why this should show in these signs in navamsa but not

rasi,

> > and can't find a rational or understandable explanation as to

why

> it

> > should be this way, even though I looked at the illustration of

> the

> > zodiac and divisions and their distribution on a huge display

of

> > them that I have.

> > >

> > > There must be some subtle connection with the signs in amsas

> and

> > rasi but I could not decode a degree relationship or aspectual

> > relationship in rasi which would unravel the mystery of

> connection

> > though clearly the ancient sages understood it, but it is still

a

> > mystery to me. Perhaps someone could explain it?

> > > best wishes

> > > M

> > > -

> > > SPK

> > >

> > > Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:17 PM

> > > Re: Varga Longitudes and new

> > Nakshathras ?!!!

> > >

> > >

> > > Vijaydas,

> > >

> > > I agree with your views on the subject. Using sign

> > > divisions as divisional charts has been a big myth.

> > > The myth has reached such proportions that it is now

> > > institutionalized into an unquestionable truth. I am

> > > glad that there are a few who are willing to challenge

> > > the myth or atleast reevaluate its validity.

> > > Divisional charts have made explaining away the

> > > " known " unexplainable very easy and efficient. When

> > > one can't explain a chart, create new parameters thats

> > > the modern mantra.

> > >

> > > Satish

> > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Respected members

> > > >

> > > > I have been troubling and disturbing many learned

> > > > souls since long

> > > > and request apology.

> > > >

> > > > I have to repeat as now there are attempts to bring

> > > > in concepts of

> > > > varga longitudes and new nakshathras inspite of all

> > > > the ''NEW

> > > > theories'' we are having at the moment.

> > > >

> > > > 1)Can we imagine VIOLET amsha within WHITE light

> > > > relating back to

> > > > VIOLET Colour as a WHOLE.Similarly we have 12 Rashis

> > > > and within

> > > > those Rashis there are again tattwa principles

> > > > relating back to

> > > > Individual Rashis.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 2)Rashi Chakra and planetary dispositions are the

> > > > only patterns that

> > > > are ''VISIBLE'' or in other words physically

> > > > manifested.

> > > >

> > > > 3)Amsha sambandhas are subtle currents through which

> > > > planets are

> > > > relating to various RASHIS within RASHI CHAKRA which

> > > > CANNOT be

> > > > physically FELT or VISIBLE.For eg NavaPranas as in

> > > > navamsha

> > > > sambandha.

> > > >

> > > > 4)Some of us do repeat like parrot,every now and

> > > > then - Rashi is

> > > > Physical ..Rashi is physical..Rashi is physical on

> > > > one hand and keep

> > > > on treating and analysing Varga sambandhas as

> > > > seperate charts with

> > > > PHYSICAL and GROSS PRINCIPLES - outside Rashi

> > > > chakra!!.

> > > >

> > > > Vargas are found through a single ''physical

> > > > longitude'' and those

> > > > relations do not have further longitudes!!!.

> > > >

> > > > Varga sambandha is not ahowing any Physical

> > > > disposition which one

> > > > can see as in ASPECT or PLACEMENT.Those are subtle

> > > > connections

> > > > between Rashi tattwas.

> > > >

> > > > If it is contradicting with the understanding of

> > > > learned

> > > > souls,kindly forgive.

> > > >

> > > > Pls share your views

> > > > Respect

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > ________

> > > Got a little couch potato?

> > > Check out fun summer activities for kids.

> > > http://search./search?

> > fr=oni_on_mail & p=summer+activities+for+kids & cs=bz

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Pradeep,

 

Thank you for trying so hard to explain these concepts, very kind of you to take

time to write this up, and I do understand about dignities of planets according

to their relationship to the various amsas. I did not mean navamsa 'setting' in

the way you interpret, I meant in terms of a navamsa context etc though

obviously expressed my meaning badly...

I do understand the navamsa and how it is used by various astrologers etc but

obviously did not express my points very clearly within the limitations of e

mail.

However it is this statement you make which I was trying to get to the heart of

in my previous mail:--

''Sage has said a particular point within a Rashi is having a subtle connection

with another rashi through tattwa sambandha - analogous but through another

principle

which is beyond our understanding''

 

I was asking if anyone had fathomed what this connection of 'another principle

beyond our understanding is?? what is the rationale behind the connection????

Why have the rishis organised navamsa with the nine divisions distributed in the

way that they are, does anyone know....was my question, and without knowing this

any new way of using navamsa is baseless.

 

I personally have my own theories as to the 'subtle' connection to be honest,

and so can understand the principles behind it.

I was merely pointing out that until this rationale for the connection or

'tattwas sambhanda' is known then the argument about whether to use aspects of

planets in navamsa, as some do see it as a separate chart, though not

necessarily myself, is a difficult one to pursue without a sound understanding

of this rationale.

Hope this better conveys my point, if not then I am lost for words but not

without trying:-)

 

Hope you got the chart data

best wishes

M

 

 

-

vijayadas_pradeep

Thursday, June 07, 2007 9:43 PM

Re: Varga Longitudes and new Nakshathras ?!!!

-Ms.Margaret

 

 

Dear Ms Margaret

 

You have covered the points in detail.Especially sex of signs and the

tattwas behind navamsha definition.Thanks a lot.

After your mail,i feel i have not been able to convey my

understanding properly inspite of numerous mails in the past

including the previous one.Otherwise your doubt regarding aspect

and ''navamsha setting'' would not have arised in the first place.

 

My point is when we anlalyse a chart,we are not analysing rashi

chakra in isolation first -stop-and then take up navamsha

seperately.Rather they go together.

For this i draw your attention towards the old style of drawing

navamsha sambandhas out side rashi chakra.When we talk about a planet

1)Placed in Gemini/Sag 2)having navamsha sambandha there, we are not

talking about 2 different Geminis and Sag.It says those planets are

related to the same Gemini/Sag Rashi through different ways.For the

same reason they are called as Amshaka Rashis.

 

Now let me mention the difference.Rashi position is the

manifested ,physically measurable and visible relationship.The

distance between them is measurable and is also a physical function

which is responsible for a physical relationship.Drishti is a visible

function.For example sage said Rashis do not aspect those in their

sides(Side being a physical concept).Also planetary special aspects

are based on atsronomy(outer /inner - Physical functions).

 

Navamshas and other Varga sambandhas are pointing to subtler

relationships.

 

Let us assume that we have a pond with 12 sectors of ropes tied from

the centre to the circumference,simlar to rashi chakra.Assume we are

throwing nine stones into various sectors.The physical placement

shows rashi positions.Now these stones will create ripples and waves

generated will move and join other sectors.Sometimes this wave can

come back exactly to the same sector(Vargottama).These relations are

amshaka Sambandhas.As you may see the Rashi is the same,but one stone

(planet) is having different kinds of relationships - one through

waves and another through fall(position).

 

Now in astrology,the difference is - Sage has said a particular point

within a Rashi is having a subtle connection with another rashi

through tattwa sambandha - analogous but through another principle

which is beyond our understanding.Depending on the kind of division

(drekkana/navamsha/dashamsha) relationship pattern varies.This is

because one planet can radiate multiple waves at the same time for

different purposes.For example you are one but you can be

mother,wife,sister,granddaughter,student,astrologer etc at the same

time.

 

Now we cannot find aspect from a place where a wave from one planet

has joined to another place where a wave from another planet has

joined.

 

Thus Gemini/Navamsha axis is just one ,planetary emphasis can be

through placement or navamsha sambandha.We analyse them together with

aspects always from rashi position.

 

In this light if you see the Lagna shadvargake shloka- things will be

more clear.Lagna is having shadvarga sambandhas with some rashis.If

the same planet is aspecting or joining all of these Rashis then Raja

yoga results.For example Lagna Rashi is Cancer,Lagna Hora rashi is

Cancer,Lagna drekkana rashi is scorpio,Lagna navamsha rashi is

capricorn,Lagna trimshamsha Rashi is Sag,Saptamsha is Capricorn.Mars

is placed Cancer Rashi.Then Mars is aspecting or Joining the

Shadvargas of Lagna resulting in Rajayoga.

 

Best Regds

Pradeep

 

, " Marg " <margie9 wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep

>

> Thank you for your exposition which is a good evaluation of the

sign placements, and how this emphasis on them relates to the

shootings in schools.

>

> However, due to the signs only being emphasised in navamsa, not

rasi I wasn't sure why or whether it was appropriate to interpret

this way from navamsa placements which are about marriage and

future..hope I am being clear about my meaning...

>

> Certainly if we go back to basics then naming of navamsas relates

primarily to the triplicities of earth fire air and water, and each

cardinal rasi begins its navamsa count with its own sign, thus

attention is drawn to quadruplicity of cardinal/chara, mutable/dwisha

and sthira/fixed. So Gem /Sag are air and fire respectively, and

both are dwishabha.

>

> Attention is then drawn to the fact that both are also male signs,

not feminine, and it is (no offense intended or sexism) primarily,

to my knowledge, only men who perform this act.

>

> Dhanu is warriorlike also whilst Gemini is sudra/servant.

>

> Gemini navamsa is not found in the water triplicity and Dhanu

navamsa is not found in the earth triplicity.

>

> Triplicities deal with temperament whilst the quadruplicities deal

with modes of activity.

> So this navamsa placement understood in the above context, gives us

more insight into the nature of the person or the event.

>

> If we can apply these interps of Gem/Sag in a navamsa setting, then

why can we not take it one step further and apply aspects as well, I

hear many ask.......

>

> The planetary relationship in rasi completely changes in navamsa

and of course I understand the mechanics astrologically of ninth

division, but I don't understand the rationale as to why the rishis

allotted these little divisionals in this manner causing the

planetary relationships in rasi to each other to completely change in

navamsa.

> Now if I understood why they did this, then perhaps I might be more

confident of knowing whether it is appropriate to use aspects and pay

more attention to degree placements in navamsa.

> And if we are saying it is OK to talk about the Gem Sag axis, which

defines an opposition aspect, then why aren't we saying we can use

the other aspects as well I wonder.

> I will type the data and post it a little later, please bear with me

> best wishes

> M

>

>

>

>

> -

> vijayadas_pradeep

>

> Wednesday, June 06, 2007 5:31 PM

> Re: Varga Longitudes and new

Nakshathras ?!!! -Ms.Margaret

>

>

> Dear Ms Margaret

>

> Navamshas show one kind of relationship a graha is having with a

> Rashi.It is interesting to note your observation (Gemini/Sag)

> axis.Gemini is the natural third(initiatives) which can be quick

> (nature of budha) and Yuva/Prince(immature).Moreover budha

> represents student/study.

>

> Dhanu is the kshethra of Guru.Guru is teacher and we are talking

> about shoot out in institutions.Dhanu Rashi likes Samara as it is

> qualified as having ''Samarotsukata'' - enthusiastic or ever-

> prepared to fight.Being the natural 9th - the house of dharma and

> Justice - fights can be for a genuine cause reviving/upholding

> dharma.The symbol of archer conveys the enthusiasm.(Disclaimer -

This

> refers to an ideal condition and not a generalisation for Dhanu -

You

> know about the past debates).

>

> If some Malefics or similar functionals have attained navamshas

on

> Gemini and Sag Rashis,it shows some subtle trigger creating

> imbalance.We have to also see the aspects/lordship/placement

of/on

> these planets in those Rashis before arriving at conclusions.

>

> Thanks for your open attitude.Kindly share the charts.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

>

> , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Satish

> >

> > I am only responding for your request to share my view.

> > I have tried to follow this ongoing debate for many years now,

and

> have kept an open mind about it.

> > More recently I was reminded of the debate when I set up a

number

> of charts all of which were times of shootings in schools. What

did

> surprise me was that in every chart the navamsa showed the Gemini

> Sag axis was emphasised. I found this unexplainable as I still

don't

> see why this should show in these signs in navamsa but not rasi,

> and can't find a rational or understandable explanation as to why

it

> should be this way, even though I looked at the illustration of

the

> zodiac and divisions and their distribution on a huge display of

> them that I have.

> >

> > There must be some subtle connection with the signs in amsas

and

> rasi but I could not decode a degree relationship or aspectual

> relationship in rasi which would unravel the mystery of

connection

> though clearly the ancient sages understood it, but it is still a

> mystery to me. Perhaps someone could explain it?

> > best wishes

> > M

> > -

> > SPK

> >

> > Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:17 PM

> > Re: Varga Longitudes and new

> Nakshathras ?!!!

> >

> >

> > Vijaydas,

> >

> > I agree with your views on the subject. Using sign

> > divisions as divisional charts has been a big myth.

> > The myth has reached such proportions that it is now

> > institutionalized into an unquestionable truth. I am

> > glad that there are a few who are willing to challenge

> > the myth or atleast reevaluate its validity.

> > Divisional charts have made explaining away the

> > " known " unexplainable very easy and efficient. When

> > one can't explain a chart, create new parameters thats

> > the modern mantra.

> >

> > Satish

> > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Respected members

> > >

> > > I have been troubling and disturbing many learned

> > > souls since long

> > > and request apology.

> > >

> > > I have to repeat as now there are attempts to bring

> > > in concepts of

> > > varga longitudes and new nakshathras inspite of all

> > > the ''NEW

> > > theories'' we are having at the moment.

> > >

> > > 1)Can we imagine VIOLET amsha within WHITE light

> > > relating back to

> > > VIOLET Colour as a WHOLE.Similarly we have 12 Rashis

> > > and within

> > > those Rashis there are again tattwa principles

> > > relating back to

> > > Individual Rashis.

> > >

> > >

> > > 2)Rashi Chakra and planetary dispositions are the

> > > only patterns that

> > > are ''VISIBLE'' or in other words physically

> > > manifested.

> > >

> > > 3)Amsha sambandhas are subtle currents through which

> > > planets are

> > > relating to various RASHIS within RASHI CHAKRA which

> > > CANNOT be

> > > physically FELT or VISIBLE.For eg NavaPranas as in

> > > navamsha

> > > sambandha.

> > >

> > > 4)Some of us do repeat like parrot,every now and

> > > then - Rashi is

> > > Physical ..Rashi is physical..Rashi is physical on

> > > one hand and keep

> > > on treating and analysing Varga sambandhas as

> > > seperate charts with

> > > PHYSICAL and GROSS PRINCIPLES - outside Rashi

> > > chakra!!.

> > >

> > > Vargas are found through a single ''physical

> > > longitude'' and those

> > > relations do not have further longitudes!!!.

> > >

> > > Varga sambandha is not ahowing any Physical

> > > disposition which one

> > > can see as in ASPECT or PLACEMENT.Those are subtle

> > > connections

> > > between Rashi tattwas.

> > >

> > > If it is contradicting with the understanding of

> > > learned

> > > souls,kindly forgive.

> > >

> > > Pls share your views

> > > Respect

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > ________

> > Got a little couch potato?

> > Check out fun summer activities for kids.

> > http://search./search?

> fr=oni_on_mail & p=summer+activities+for+kids & cs=bz

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >