Fwd: What is Argala? Chandrashekhar ji/Shri Sreenadh

June 6, 2007

Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Shri Sreenadh

Thanks for sharing your valuable views.The definition as bolt and

comparison with anargala inspired one to think more.

Kindly evaluate my views.

Anargala as in ''Anargala Pravaaha'' is pointing towards an

incessant flow,for instance that of a river or music.Anargala in

that sense is something which is without any Argala. Thus Argala

should be some intervention.

For example when we reach a river,there can be an argala formed by a

boat or bridge.Playing snake and ladder we can get a ladder as well

as snake.I feel Argalas are thus interventions.Now when it comes to

analysis ,i feel the following -

Every Bhava is for the Lagna - its Growth or Progress.Thus sage

feels 2nd ,4th and 11th from Lagna can significantly intervene with

the progress of Lagna.

If one is not having manasukha or comforts,there is no gain or

labha.Similarly kutumba,speech and sight are real wealth for the

Lagna in the growing/material sense.

Similarly 3/10/12 from Lagna are balancing/opposing the before said

interventions(2/4/11) - (Law of Conservation).

Labha,dhana & Sukha work vis-a-vis Prakarama(initiatives),Karma and

Vyaya - resulting in well being or poor-being of Lagna.

For example - Labha argala will give good to Lagna while Vyaya the

reverse.Good Parakramas will give labha and Good labhas can trigger

further initiatives.Thus malefics in the 3rd is giving energy to

overcome obstacles or furthering initiatives.

Similarly there is a trade off between manasukha and initiatives.

Fourth house is aspected by planets in Tenth.Thus 10th is abhimukha

to 4th.All busy businessmen and Politicians may not have manasukha

because of the said trade-off.Similarly Raja sits on the 4th(his

throne/Palace) facing Society/Karma mandala(10th).Thus 10th can

counter the argala which the 4th is giving to Lagna. Society can be

against/throw Raja away or be supportive.

Now 5th and 9th are dealt seperately.They are in konas to Lagna and

points to past and present.Dharma leads to Punya carried forward as

Poorva-Punya into the 5th.Thus these two works in a cycle balancing

each other.

Similar to Lagna other Bhavas and Karaka Grahas can be

analysed.These are my personal views and kindly evaluate and

correct.

Respect

Pradeep

, " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote:

>

> , " Sreenadh " <sreesog@> wrote:

>

> Dear Chandra Shekhar ji,

> Thanks for description.

> ==>

> > Argal means a wooden bolt or pin fastening a door. It also means

> > a check or obstruction. So Argalas are like obstructions or

> influences.

> <==

> Yes, the better popular word is 'Anargala' which

means 'continuous'

> or 'without obstruction'. Argala is opposite of this word and thus

> Argala means 'obstruction' or 'bondage'. It could also mean chain

or

> lock or wooden bolt or pin for fastening a door as told by you.

These

> meanings too in essence point to original meaning 'obstruction'

> or 'bondage'.

> Literal word meaning:

> Argala = Obstruction; Aanrgala = Without obstruction

>

> Argala Yoga

> ===========

> Rule -1:

>

> If there are any planets in 4-2-11 house (from Lagna) Argala Yoga

> results. Any number of planets (1, 2, 3 or more) can cause Argala.

> (As per BPHS it is not necessary that 2 or more planets should be

> there to cause Argala). There could be 3 types of Argala-

> 1) Caused by benefics (Subhargala)

> 2) Caused by malefics (Papargala)

> 3) Caused by the placement of benefics and malefics together

> (Ubhayargala)

> i.e. If there is any (one or more) benefic in 4th it is Argala

Yoga

> (Subhargala). If there is any (one or more) malefic in 4th it is

> Argala Yoga (Papargala). If there is one or more benefic and

malefic

> together placed in 4th it is Argala Yoga (Ubhayargala). The same

is

> true for 2nd and 11th.

>

> Now the question is-

> How a benefic placed in 4th can cause 'Obstruction'

or 'Bondage'?!!

> (Argala)

> The Answer is -

> Even wealth can become bondage, if search is for true happiness.

>

> Note that 4-2-11 are houses that indicate wealth. As per BPHS, if

> benefics are present in 4-2-11 (Subhargala) the native will be

rich.

> If malefics are present in 4-2-11 (Papargala) the native will be

> poor. If benefics and malefics are together placed in 4-2-11 at

times

> the native will be rich and at some other point of time he will be

> searching for money suffering economic down falls.

>

> Rule -2

> There is another kind of Argala known as Triconargala or

Yogargala.

> It is stated below-

> If there are any planets in 5th house (from Lagna) Argala Yoga

> results. In the same way if there is Ketu in 9th then also Argala

> Yoga results.

> As told earlier Argala due to the placement of planets in 5th can

be

> of 3 types - Subhargala, Papargala and Ubhayargala. As you can

see,

> Argala caused by Ke in 9th is a Papargala (causing poverty). There

is

> no concept of Subhargala, or Ubhayargala related to 9th house.

>

> Why this type of Argala is stated separately? Parasara could have

> easily stated, " Placement of any Planet in 2-4-5-11 will cause

> Argala " . But he separated 5th from the 4-2-11, why?

> The reason for this is the 4-2-11 are related to wealth, while

5th

> is related to knowledge. Here the item that caused 'obstruction'

> or 'bondage' is knowledge or the lack of it. (rather than wealth

or

> the lack of it)

> If there is a benefic in 5th, the native will

suffer 'obstruction'

> or 'bondage' caused by too much knowledge or dependence on

> intelligence. He will be denied of true happiness, that a free man

> enjoys. This is Trikonargala and is a Subhargala.

> If there is a malefic in 5th, the native will

suffer 'obstruction'

> or 'bondage' caused by lack of knowledge or lack of intelligence.

He

> too will be denied of true happiness, that a free man enjoys. This

is

> Trikonargala and is a Papargala.

> If there is one or more malefic and benefic together placed in

5th,

> the native will suffer 'obstruction' or 'bondage' caused by lack

of

> knowledge or lack of intelligence at times in some subjects and

> surplus of it at other instances in other subjects. He too will be

> denied of true happiness, that a free man enjoys. This is

> Trikonargala and is an Ubhayargala.

>

> Virodhargala:

> =============

> There are several combination that can oppose (destroy or cancel)

> such Argala Yogas. For example if there is any planet in 11th (8th

> from 4th) it can cause opposition to (destroy or cancel) the

Argala

> caused by a planet in 4th (from Lagna). Similarly if there is any

> planet in 9th (8th from 2nd) it can cause opposition to (destroy

or

> cancel) the Argala caused by a planet in 2th (from Lagna).

Similarly

> if there is any planet in 6th (8th from 11th) it can cause

opposition

> to (destroy or cancel) the Argala caused by a planet in 11th (from

> Lagna).

> There are several other combinations as well that cause

> Virodhargala. (Remember that if there is no Argala, there is no

> importance to the concept of Virodhargala as well)

>

> ==>

> > I do not think there is any divergence of opinion between

> > Jaimini and Parashara, on argala only they might highlight

> > different aspects of the concept.

> <==

> Some combinations that causes Virodhargala, Jaimini mentions but

not

> Parasara. This is unusual, because Jaimini sutra is an effort by

an

> Acharya (Jaimini) to teach Parasara's concepts to his students.

> For example Jaimini says that 2 or more malefics in 3rd house can

> cause Virodhargala, and not even mention to which Argala! (i.e.

> Argala caused by the placement of planet in which house). Where as

> Parasara does not even mention such a thing. Detailed discussion

of

> combinations that cause Virodhargala will make this mail very

long.

> So I am stopping here.

>

> The whole purpose of my initial mail was to have a better

> understanding of the concepts, use, difference of opinion between

> Parasara and Jaimini, logics related to the same etc. In short I

was

> seeking expert opinion about this concept of Argala from the

> astrologers who use it in their daily predictions and horoscope

> readings. (The beginners knowledge of 'What is Argala' anybody can

> have by referring BPHS on some online article once. That was not

the

> purpose)

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh,

> >

> > Argal means a wooden bolt or pin fastening a door. It also means

a

> check

> > or obstruction. So Argalas are like obstructions or influences.

> When it

> > is shubha grahas casting argala good influence is received and

if

> > ashubha grahas do that the influence is not good so a sort of

> > obstruction. Malefic argala from 3rd is however good. One may

> equate

> > argalas to the door bolt and whether its operation will open the

> door of

> > opportunity or close it will depend on whether the argala is

shubha

> or

> > ashubha. I do not think there is any divergence of opinion

between

> > Jaimini and Parashara, on argala only they might highlight

> different

> > aspects of the concept. Most of the difference in concept is

> amongst

> > astrologers as to whether the number of grahas giving argalas

need

> to be

> > three or more or not and so on. Of course other could hold a

> different

> > view on this.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Sreenadh wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > > What is Argala? What is the popular opinion about the same? In

> what

> > > situations it is applicable? Are there any contradictions

between

> the

> > > definition of Argala by Parasara and Jaimini? What is your

> opinion?

> > > Please clarify.

> > > Regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

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> >

June 6, 2007

Dear Pradeep,

Your interpretation is not incorrect. Let us say they are influences, if

you like. At the same time not every bhava is for growth of Lagna,

otherwise we shall never have dusthanas, that take away from Lagna or

more precisely the Jataka. As for sages thinking that 2, 4 and 11 can

significantly intervene in Lagna, may be let us put it this way, they

are the ones that will give material gains and comforts to the Jataka.

Your analogy of boat and snake and ladder is very appropriate.

Your logic in presenting the Labha leading to Parakrama and vice-a-versa

is appealing. But we may not have to go that far to find why the Virodh

argalas are exactly opposite to the primary argalas. Once we understand

the word argala as a door bolt that can open or close a door depending

on which type of bolt (benefic or malefic) it happens to be, we have to

look at the bolt being slid to open a door but the bolt on the other

side of the door being slid shut thus nullifying the effect of the

benefic opening the door of opportunity to a jataka in a Particular area

of life.

A rather simplified view could be that instead of saying that planets in

2, 4 and 11 give good results, especially if benefic and that these

results are blocked if there are equal number of planets in the opposite

houses that is the 12th, 10th and the 3rd; sages brought in the

terminology of Argala to make it easier to follow the concept. That

perhaps is why the over rider of malefic argala in the3rd not being

stoppable is given in Argala concept.

But then I could be completely wrong and other learned may hold a

different view.

Chandrashekhar.

vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Shri Sreenadh

>

> Thanks for sharing your valuable views.The definition as bolt and

> comparison with anargala inspired one to think more.

> Kindly evaluate my views.

>

> Anargala as in ''Anargala Pravaaha'' is pointing towards an

> incessant flow,for instance that of a river or music.Anargala in

> that sense is something which is without any Argala. Thus Argala

> should be some intervention.

>

> For example when we reach a river,there can be an argala formed by a

> boat or bridge.Playing snake and ladder we can get a ladder as well

> as snake.I feel Argalas are thus interventions.Now when it comes to

> analysis ,i feel the following -

>

> Every Bhava is for the Lagna - its Growth or Progress.Thus sage

> feels 2nd ,4th and 11th from Lagna can significantly intervene with

> the progress of Lagna.

>

> If one is not having manasukha or comforts,there is no gain or

> labha.Similarly kutumba,speech and sight are real wealth for the

> Lagna in the growing/material sense.

>

> Similarly 3/10/12 from Lagna are balancing/opposing the before said

> interventions(2/4/11) - (Law of Conservation).

>

> Labha,dhana & Sukha work vis-a-vis Prakarama(initiatives),Karma and

> Vyaya - resulting in well being or poor-being of Lagna.

>

> For example - Labha argala will give good to Lagna while Vyaya the

> reverse.Good Parakramas will give labha and Good labhas can trigger

> further initiatives.Thus malefics in the 3rd is giving energy to

> overcome obstacles or furthering initiatives.

> Similarly there is a trade off between manasukha and initiatives.

>

> Fourth house is aspected by planets in Tenth.Thus 10th is abhimukha

> to 4th.All busy businessmen and Politicians may not have manasukha

> because of the said trade-off.Similarly Raja sits on the 4th(his

> throne/Palace) facing Society/Karma mandala(10th).Thus 10th can

> counter the argala which the 4th is giving to Lagna. Society can be

> against/throw Raja away or be supportive.

>

> Now 5th and 9th are dealt seperately.They are in konas to Lagna and

> points to past and present.Dharma leads to Punya carried forward as

> Poorva-Punya into the 5th.Thus these two works in a cycle balancing

> each other.

>

> Similar to Lagna other Bhavas and Karaka Grahas can be

> analysed.These are my personal views and kindly evaluate and

> correct.

>

> Respect

> Pradeep

>

> <%40>, " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote:

> >

> <%40>, " Sreenadh " <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandra Shekhar ji,

> > Thanks for description.

> > ==>

> > > Argal means a wooden bolt or pin fastening a door. It also means

> > > a check or obstruction. So Argalas are like obstructions or

> > influences.

> > <==

> > Yes, the better popular word is 'Anargala' which

> means 'continuous'

> > or 'without obstruction'. Argala is opposite of this word and thus

> > Argala means 'obstruction' or 'bondage'. It could also mean chain

> or

> > lock or wooden bolt or pin for fastening a door as told by you.

> These

> > meanings too in essence point to original meaning 'obstruction'

> > or 'bondage'.

> > Literal word meaning:

> > Argala = Obstruction; Aanrgala = Without obstruction

> >

> > Argala Yoga

> > ===========

> > Rule -1:

> >

> > If there are any planets in 4-2-11 house (from Lagna) Argala Yoga

> > results. Any number of planets (1, 2, 3 or more) can cause Argala.

> > (As per BPHS it is not necessary that 2 or more planets should be

> > there to cause Argala). There could be 3 types of Argala-

> > 1) Caused by benefics (Subhargala)

> > 2) Caused by malefics (Papargala)

> > 3) Caused by the placement of benefics and malefics together

> > (Ubhayargala)

> > i.e. If there is any (one or more) benefic in 4th it is Argala

> Yoga

> > (Subhargala). If there is any (one or more) malefic in 4th it is

> > Argala Yoga (Papargala). If there is one or more benefic and

> malefic

> > together placed in 4th it is Argala Yoga (Ubhayargala). The same

> is

> > true for 2nd and 11th.

> >

> > Now the question is-

> > How a benefic placed in 4th can cause 'Obstruction'

> or 'Bondage'?!!

> > (Argala)

> > The Answer is -

> > Even wealth can become bondage, if search is for true happiness.

> >

> > Note that 4-2-11 are houses that indicate wealth. As per BPHS, if

> > benefics are present in 4-2-11 (Subhargala) the native will be

> rich.

> > If malefics are present in 4-2-11 (Papargala) the native will be

> > poor. If benefics and malefics are together placed in 4-2-11 at

> times

> > the native will be rich and at some other point of time he will be

> > searching for money suffering economic down falls.

> >

> > Rule -2

> > There is another kind of Argala known as Triconargala or

> Yogargala.

> > It is stated below-

> > If there are any planets in 5th house (from Lagna) Argala Yoga

> > results. In the same way if there is Ketu in 9th then also Argala

> > Yoga results.

> > As told earlier Argala due to the placement of planets in 5th can

> be

> > of 3 types - Subhargala, Papargala and Ubhayargala. As you can

> see,

> > Argala caused by Ke in 9th is a Papargala (causing poverty). There

> is

> > no concept of Subhargala, or Ubhayargala related to 9th house.

> >

> > Why this type of Argala is stated separately? Parasara could have

> > easily stated, " Placement of any Planet in 2-4-5-11 will cause

> > Argala " . But he separated 5th from the 4-2-11, why?

> > The reason for this is the 4-2-11 are related to wealth, while

> 5th

> > is related to knowledge. Here the item that caused 'obstruction'

> > or 'bondage' is knowledge or the lack of it. (rather than wealth

> or

> > the lack of it)

> > If there is a benefic in 5th, the native will

> suffer 'obstruction'

> > or 'bondage' caused by too much knowledge or dependence on

> > intelligence. He will be denied of true happiness, that a free man

> > enjoys. This is Trikonargala and is a Subhargala.

> > If there is a malefic in 5th, the native will

> suffer 'obstruction'

> > or 'bondage' caused by lack of knowledge or lack of intelligence.

> He

> > too will be denied of true happiness, that a free man enjoys. This

> is

> > Trikonargala and is a Papargala.

> > If there is one or more malefic and benefic together placed in

> 5th,

> > the native will suffer 'obstruction' or 'bondage' caused by lack

> of

> > knowledge or lack of intelligence at times in some subjects and

> > surplus of it at other instances in other subjects. He too will be

> > denied of true happiness, that a free man enjoys. This is

> > Trikonargala and is an Ubhayargala.

> >

> > Virodhargala:

> > =============

> > There are several combination that can oppose (destroy or cancel)

> > such Argala Yogas. For example if there is any planet in 11th (8th

> > from 4th) it can cause opposition to (destroy or cancel) the

> Argala

> > caused by a planet in 4th (from Lagna). Similarly if there is any

> > planet in 9th (8th from 2nd) it can cause opposition to (destroy

> or

> > cancel) the Argala caused by a planet in 2th (from Lagna).

> Similarly

> > if there is any planet in 6th (8th from 11th) it can cause

> opposition

> > to (destroy or cancel) the Argala caused by a planet in 11th (from

> > Lagna).

> > There are several other combinations as well that cause

> > Virodhargala. (Remember that if there is no Argala, there is no

> > importance to the concept of Virodhargala as well)

> >

> > ==>

> > > I do not think there is any divergence of opinion between

> > > Jaimini and Parashara, on argala only they might highlight

> > > different aspects of the concept.

> > <==

> > Some combinations that causes Virodhargala, Jaimini mentions but

> not

> > Parasara. This is unusual, because Jaimini sutra is an effort by

> an

> > Acharya (Jaimini) to teach Parasara's concepts to his students.

> > For example Jaimini says that 2 or more malefics in 3rd house can

> > cause Virodhargala, and not even mention to which Argala! (i.e.

> > Argala caused by the placement of planet in which house). Where as

> > Parasara does not even mention such a thing. Detailed discussion

> of

> > combinations that cause Virodhargala will make this mail very

> long.

> > So I am stopping here.

> >

> > The whole purpose of my initial mail was to have a better

> > understanding of the concepts, use, difference of opinion between

> > Parasara and Jaimini, logics related to the same etc. In short I

> was

> > seeking expert opinion about this concept of Argala from the

> > astrologers who use it in their daily predictions and horoscope

> > readings. (The beginners knowledge of 'What is Argala' anybody can

> > have by referring BPHS on some online article once. That was not

> the

> > purpose)

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh,

> > >

> > > Argal means a wooden bolt or pin fastening a door. It also means

> a

> > check

> > > or obstruction. So Argalas are like obstructions or influences.

> > When it

> > > is shubha grahas casting argala good influence is received and

> if

> > > ashubha grahas do that the influence is not good so a sort of

> > > obstruction. Malefic argala from 3rd is however good. One may

> > equate

> > > argalas to the door bolt and whether its operation will open the

> > door of

> > > opportunity or close it will depend on whether the argala is

> shubha

> > or

> > > ashubha. I do not think there is any divergence of opinion

> between

> > > Jaimini and Parashara, on argala only they might highlight

> > different

> > > aspects of the concept. Most of the difference in concept is

> > amongst

> > > astrologers as to whether the number of grahas giving argalas

> need

> > to be

> > > three or more or not and so on. Of course other could hold a

> > different

> > > view on this.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Sreenadh wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > > What is Argala? What is the popular opinion about the same? In

> > what

> > > > situations it is applicable? Are there any contradictions

> between

> > the

> > > > definition of Argala by Parasara and Jaimini? What is your

> > opinion?

> > > > Please clarify.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

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> > 6/4/2007 6:43 PM

> > > >

> > >

June 7, 2007

Dear Chandrashekharji

Thanks for correcting me.It was my mistake to mention -all as for

growth of Lagna.As you may note i had mentioned Vyaya as bad for lagna

(Jataka) in material sense.

After your explanation,i feel bolt meaning is having a role

here.Beautifully explained.Thanks.Also thanks for the kind words and

also for explaining the whole concept of Argala in an

objective,logical fashion.

Respect

Pradeep

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> Your interpretation is not incorrect. Let us say they are

influences, if

> you like. At the same time not every bhava is for growth of Lagna,

> otherwise we shall never have dusthanas, that take away from Lagna

or

> more precisely the Jataka. As for sages thinking that 2, 4 and 11

can

> significantly intervene in Lagna, may be let us put it this way,

they

> are the ones that will give material gains and comforts to the

Jataka.

>

> Your analogy of boat and snake and ladder is very appropriate.

>

> Your logic in presenting the Labha leading to Parakrama and vice-a-

versa

> is appealing. But we may not have to go that far to find why the

Virodh

> argalas are exactly opposite to the primary argalas. Once we

understand

> the word argala as a door bolt that can open or close a door

depending

> on which type of bolt (benefic or malefic) it happens to be, we

have to

> look at the bolt being slid to open a door but the bolt on the

other

> side of the door being slid shut thus nullifying the effect of the

> benefic opening the door of opportunity to a jataka in a Particular

area

> of life.

>

> A rather simplified view could be that instead of saying that

planets in

> 2, 4 and 11 give good results, especially if benefic and that these

> results are blocked if there are equal number of planets in the

opposite

> houses that is the 12th, 10th and the 3rd; sages brought in the

> terminology of Argala to make it easier to follow the concept. That

> perhaps is why the over rider of malefic argala in the3rd not being

> stoppable is given in Argala concept.

>

> But then I could be completely wrong and other learned may hold a

> different view.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Shri Sreenadh

> >

> > Thanks for sharing your valuable views.The definition as bolt and

> > comparison with anargala inspired one to think more.

> > Kindly evaluate my views.

> >

> > Anargala as in ''Anargala Pravaaha'' is pointing towards an

> > incessant flow,for instance that of a river or music.Anargala in

> > that sense is something which is without any Argala. Thus Argala

> > should be some intervention.

> >

> > For example when we reach a river,there can be an argala formed

by a

> > boat or bridge.Playing snake and ladder we can get a ladder as

well

> > as snake.I feel Argalas are thus interventions.Now when it comes

to

> > analysis ,i feel the following -

> >

> > Every Bhava is for the Lagna - its Growth or Progress.Thus sage

> > feels 2nd ,4th and 11th from Lagna can significantly intervene

with

> > the progress of Lagna.

> >

> > If one is not having manasukha or comforts,there is no gain or

> > labha.Similarly kutumba,speech and sight are real wealth for the

> > Lagna in the growing/material sense.

> >

> > Similarly 3/10/12 from Lagna are balancing/opposing the before

said

> > interventions(2/4/11) - (Law of Conservation).

> >

> > Labha,dhana & Sukha work vis-a-vis Prakarama(initiatives),Karma

and

> > Vyaya - resulting in well being or poor-being of Lagna.

> >

> > For example - Labha argala will give good to Lagna while Vyaya the

> > reverse.Good Parakramas will give labha and Good labhas can

trigger

> > further initiatives.Thus malefics in the 3rd is giving energy to

> > overcome obstacles or furthering initiatives.

> > Similarly there is a trade off between manasukha and initiatives.

> >

> > Fourth house is aspected by planets in Tenth.Thus 10th is

abhimukha

> > to 4th.All busy businessmen and Politicians may not have manasukha

> > because of the said trade-off.Similarly Raja sits on the 4th(his

> > throne/Palace) facing Society/Karma mandala(10th).Thus 10th can

> > counter the argala which the 4th is giving to Lagna. Society can

be

> > against/throw Raja away or be supportive.

> >

> > Now 5th and 9th are dealt seperately.They are in konas to Lagna

and

> > points to past and present.Dharma leads to Punya carried forward

as

> > Poorva-Punya into the 5th.Thus these two works in a cycle

balancing

> > each other.

> >

> > Similar to Lagna other Bhavas and Karaka Grahas can be

> > analysed.These are my personal views and kindly evaluate and

> > correct.

> >

> > Respect

> > Pradeep

> >

> > <%40>, " Sreenadh " <sreesog@>

wrote:

> > >

> > <%40>, " Sreenadh " <sreesog@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandra Shekhar ji,

> > > Thanks for description.

> > > ==>

> > > > Argal means a wooden bolt or pin fastening a door. It also

means

> > > > a check or obstruction. So Argalas are like obstructions or

> > > influences.

> > > <==

> > > Yes, the better popular word is 'Anargala' which

> > means 'continuous'

> > > or 'without obstruction'. Argala is opposite of this word and

thus

> > > Argala means 'obstruction' or 'bondage'. It could also mean

chain

> > or

> > > lock or wooden bolt or pin for fastening a door as told by you.

> > These

> > > meanings too in essence point to original meaning 'obstruction'

> > > or 'bondage'.

> > > Literal word meaning:

> > > Argala = Obstruction; Aanrgala = Without obstruction

> > >

> > > Argala Yoga

> > > ===========

> > > Rule -1:

> > >

> > > If there are any planets in 4-2-11 house (from Lagna) Argala

Yoga

> > > results. Any number of planets (1, 2, 3 or more) can cause

Argala.

> > > (As per BPHS it is not necessary that 2 or more planets should

be

> > > there to cause Argala). There could be 3 types of Argala-

> > > 1) Caused by benefics (Subhargala)

> > > 2) Caused by malefics (Papargala)

> > > 3) Caused by the placement of benefics and malefics together

> > > (Ubhayargala)

> > > i.e. If there is any (one or more) benefic in 4th it is Argala

> > Yoga

> > > (Subhargala). If there is any (one or more) malefic in 4th it is

> > > Argala Yoga (Papargala). If there is one or more benefic and

> > malefic

> > > together placed in 4th it is Argala Yoga (Ubhayargala). The same

> > is

> > > true for 2nd and 11th.

> > >

> > > Now the question is-

> > > How a benefic placed in 4th can cause 'Obstruction'

> > or 'Bondage'?!!

> > > (Argala)

> > > The Answer is -

> > > Even wealth can become bondage, if search is for true happiness.

> > >

> > > Note that 4-2-11 are houses that indicate wealth. As per BPHS,

if

> > > benefics are present in 4-2-11 (Subhargala) the native will be

> > rich.

> > > If malefics are present in 4-2-11 (Papargala) the native will be

> > > poor. If benefics and malefics are together placed in 4-2-11 at

> > times

> > > the native will be rich and at some other point of time he will

be

> > > searching for money suffering economic down falls.

> > >

> > > Rule -2

> > > There is another kind of Argala known as Triconargala or

> > Yogargala.

> > > It is stated below-

> > > If there are any planets in 5th house (from Lagna) Argala Yoga

> > > results. In the same way if there is Ketu in 9th then also

Argala

> > > Yoga results.

> > > As told earlier Argala due to the placement of planets in 5th

can

> > be

> > > of 3 types - Subhargala, Papargala and Ubhayargala. As you can

> > see,

> > > Argala caused by Ke in 9th is a Papargala (causing poverty).

There

> > is

> > > no concept of Subhargala, or Ubhayargala related to 9th house.

> > >

> > > Why this type of Argala is stated separately? Parasara could

have

> > > easily stated, " Placement of any Planet in 2-4-5-11 will cause

> > > Argala " . But he separated 5th from the 4-2-11, why?

> > > The reason for this is the 4-2-11 are related to wealth, while

> > 5th

> > > is related to knowledge. Here the item that caused 'obstruction'

> > > or 'bondage' is knowledge or the lack of it. (rather than wealth

> > or

> > > the lack of it)

> > > If there is a benefic in 5th, the native will

> > suffer 'obstruction'

> > > or 'bondage' caused by too much knowledge or dependence on

> > > intelligence. He will be denied of true happiness, that a free

man

> > > enjoys. This is Trikonargala and is a Subhargala.

> > > If there is a malefic in 5th, the native will

> > suffer 'obstruction'

> > > or 'bondage' caused by lack of knowledge or lack of

intelligence.

> > He

> > > too will be denied of true happiness, that a free man enjoys.

This

> > is

> > > Trikonargala and is a Papargala.

> > > If there is one or more malefic and benefic together placed in

> > 5th,

> > > the native will suffer 'obstruction' or 'bondage' caused by lack

> > of

> > > knowledge or lack of intelligence at times in some subjects and

> > > surplus of it at other instances in other subjects. He too will

be

> > > denied of true happiness, that a free man enjoys. This is

> > > Trikonargala and is an Ubhayargala.

> > >

> > > Virodhargala:

> > > =============

> > > There are several combination that can oppose (destroy or

cancel)

> > > such Argala Yogas. For example if there is any planet in 11th

(8th

> > > from 4th) it can cause opposition to (destroy or cancel) the

> > Argala

> > > caused by a planet in 4th (from Lagna). Similarly if there is

any

> > > planet in 9th (8th from 2nd) it can cause opposition to (destroy

> > or

> > > cancel) the Argala caused by a planet in 2th (from Lagna).

> > Similarly

> > > if there is any planet in 6th (8th from 11th) it can cause

> > opposition

> > > to (destroy or cancel) the Argala caused by a planet in 11th

(from

> > > Lagna).

> > > There are several other combinations as well that cause

> > > Virodhargala. (Remember that if there is no Argala, there is no

> > > importance to the concept of Virodhargala as well)

> > >

> > > ==>

> > > > I do not think there is any divergence of opinion between

> > > > Jaimini and Parashara, on argala only they might highlight

> > > > different aspects of the concept.

> > > <==

> > > Some combinations that causes Virodhargala, Jaimini mentions but

> > not

> > > Parasara. This is unusual, because Jaimini sutra is an effort by

> > an

> > > Acharya (Jaimini) to teach Parasara's concepts to his students.

> > > For example Jaimini says that 2 or more malefics in 3rd house

can

> > > cause Virodhargala, and not even mention to which Argala! (i.e.

> > > Argala caused by the placement of planet in which house). Where

as

> > > Parasara does not even mention such a thing. Detailed discussion

> > of

> > > combinations that cause Virodhargala will make this mail very

> > long.

> > > So I am stopping here.

> > >

> > > The whole purpose of my initial mail was to have a better

> > > understanding of the concepts, use, difference of opinion

between

> > > Parasara and Jaimini, logics related to the same etc. In short I

> > was

> > > seeking expert opinion about this concept of Argala from the

> > > astrologers who use it in their daily predictions and horoscope

> > > readings. (The beginners knowledge of 'What is Argala' anybody

can

> > > have by referring BPHS on some online article once. That was not

> > the

> > > purpose)

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh,

> > > >

> > > > Argal means a wooden bolt or pin fastening a door. It also

means

> > a

> > > check

> > > > or obstruction. So Argalas are like obstructions or

influences.

> > > When it

> > > > is shubha grahas casting argala good influence is received and

> > if

> > > > ashubha grahas do that the influence is not good so a sort of

> > > > obstruction. Malefic argala from 3rd is however good. One may

> > > equate

> > > > argalas to the door bolt and whether its operation will open

the

> > > door of

> > > > opportunity or close it will depend on whether the argala is

> > shubha

> > > or

> > > > ashubha. I do not think there is any divergence of opinion

> > between

> > > > Jaimini and Parashara, on argala only they might highlight

> > > different

> > > > aspects of the concept. Most of the difference in concept is

> > > amongst

> > > > astrologers as to whether the number of grahas giving argalas

> > need

> > > to be

> > > > three or more or not and so on. Of course other could hold a

> > > different

> > > > view on this.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Sreenadh wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > What is Argala? What is the popular opinion about the same?

In

> > > what

> > > > > situations it is applicable? Are there any contradictions

> > between

> > > the

> > > > > definition of Argala by Parasara and Jaimini? What is your

> > > opinion?

> > > > > Please clarify.

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

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Date:

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June 7, 2007

Dear Pradeep,

I am glad you liked my explanation. You did mention Vyaya as bad for

Lagna and I noted it. I just wanted to wean you away from the habit of

falling into jargons, like one bhava being sustenance of a bhava or

growth of a bhava since though they are nice sound bytes, they mislead.

The bhavas operate in precise balance to each other and if one is

thinking that one bhava adds growth to another bhava and taking away

strength from other it is not possible that it adds to lagna which is

the jataka himself. I know you for a sincere student of this divine

science and thought that as an elder, in age, I try to lead you in a

certain direction. I hope you do not mind that.

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrashekharji

>

> Thanks for correcting me.It was my mistake to mention -all as for

> growth of Lagna.As you may note i had mentioned Vyaya as bad for lagna

> (Jataka) in material sense.

> After your explanation,i feel bolt meaning is having a role

> here.Beautifully explained.Thanks.Also thanks for the kind words and

> also for explaining the whole concept of Argala in an

> objective,logical fashion.

>

> Respect

> Pradeep

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep,

> >

> > Your interpretation is not incorrect. Let us say they are

> influences, if

> > you like. At the same time not every bhava is for growth of Lagna,

> > otherwise we shall never have dusthanas, that take away from Lagna

> or

> > more precisely the Jataka. As for sages thinking that 2, 4 and 11

> can

> > significantly intervene in Lagna, may be let us put it this way,

> they

> > are the ones that will give material gains and comforts to the

> Jataka.

> >

> > Your analogy of boat and snake and ladder is very appropriate.

> >

> > Your logic in presenting the Labha leading to Parakrama and vice-a-

> versa

> > is appealing. But we may not have to go that far to find why the

> Virodh

> > argalas are exactly opposite to the primary argalas. Once we

> understand

> > the word argala as a door bolt that can open or close a door

> depending

> > on which type of bolt (benefic or malefic) it happens to be, we

> have to

> > look at the bolt being slid to open a door but the bolt on the

> other

> > side of the door being slid shut thus nullifying the effect of the

> > benefic opening the door of opportunity to a jataka in a Particular

> area

> > of life.

> >

> > A rather simplified view could be that instead of saying that

> planets in

> > 2, 4 and 11 give good results, especially if benefic and that these

> > results are blocked if there are equal number of planets in the

> opposite

> > houses that is the 12th, 10th and the 3rd; sages brought in the

> > terminology of Argala to make it easier to follow the concept. That

> > perhaps is why the over rider of malefic argala in the3rd not being

> > stoppable is given in Argala concept.

> >

> > But then I could be completely wrong and other learned may hold a

> > different view.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Shri Sreenadh

> > >

> > > Thanks for sharing your valuable views.The definition as bolt and

> > > comparison with anargala inspired one to think more.

> > > Kindly evaluate my views.

> > >

> > > Anargala as in ''Anargala Pravaaha'' is pointing towards an

> > > incessant flow,for instance that of a river or music.Anargala in

> > > that sense is something which is without any Argala. Thus Argala

> > > should be some intervention.

> > >

> > > For example when we reach a river,there can be an argala formed

> by a

> > > boat or bridge.Playing snake and ladder we can get a ladder as

> well

> > > as snake.I feel Argalas are thus interventions.Now when it comes

> to

> > > analysis ,i feel the following -

> > >

> > > Every Bhava is for the Lagna - its Growth or Progress.Thus sage

> > > feels 2nd ,4th and 11th from Lagna can significantly intervene

> with

> > > the progress of Lagna.

> > >

> > > If one is not having manasukha or comforts,there is no gain or

> > > labha.Similarly kutumba,speech and sight are real wealth for the

> > > Lagna in the growing/material sense.

> > >

> > > Similarly 3/10/12 from Lagna are balancing/opposing the before

> said

> > > interventions(2/4/11) - (Law of Conservation).

> > >

> > > Labha,dhana & Sukha work vis-a-vis Prakarama(initiatives),Karma

> and

> > > Vyaya - resulting in well being or poor-being of Lagna.

> > >

> > > For example - Labha argala will give good to Lagna while Vyaya the

> > > reverse.Good Parakramas will give labha and Good labhas can

> trigger

> > > further initiatives.Thus malefics in the 3rd is giving energy to

> > > overcome obstacles or furthering initiatives.

> > > Similarly there is a trade off between manasukha and initiatives.

> > >

> > > Fourth house is aspected by planets in Tenth.Thus 10th is

> abhimukha

> > > to 4th.All busy businessmen and Politicians may not have manasukha

> > > because of the said trade-off.Similarly Raja sits on the 4th(his

> > > throne/Palace) facing Society/Karma mandala(10th).Thus 10th can

> > > counter the argala which the 4th is giving to Lagna. Society can

> be

> > > against/throw Raja away or be supportive.

> > >

> > > Now 5th and 9th are dealt seperately.They are in konas to Lagna

> and

> > > points to past and present.Dharma leads to Punya carried forward

> as

> > > Poorva-Punya into the 5th.Thus these two works in a cycle

> balancing

> > > each other.

> > >

> > > Similar to Lagna other Bhavas and Karaka Grahas can be

> > > analysed.These are my personal views and kindly evaluate and

> > > correct.

> > >

> > > Respect

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, " Sreenadh " <sreesog@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, " Sreenadh " <sreesog@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandra Shekhar ji,

> > > > Thanks for description.

> > > > ==>

> > > > > Argal means a wooden bolt or pin fastening a door. It also

> means

> > > > > a check or obstruction. So Argalas are like obstructions or

> > > > influences.

> > > > <==

> > > > Yes, the better popular word is 'Anargala' which

> > > means 'continuous'

> > > > or 'without obstruction'. Argala is opposite of this word and

> thus

> > > > Argala means 'obstruction' or 'bondage'. It could also mean

> chain

> > > or

> > > > lock or wooden bolt or pin for fastening a door as told by you.

> > > These

> > > > meanings too in essence point to original meaning 'obstruction'

> > > > or 'bondage'.

> > > > Literal word meaning:

> > > > Argala = Obstruction; Aanrgala = Without obstruction

> > > >

> > > > Argala Yoga

> > > > ===========

> > > > Rule -1:

> > > >

> > > > If there are any planets in 4-2-11 house (from Lagna) Argala

> Yoga

> > > > results. Any number of planets (1, 2, 3 or more) can cause

> Argala.

> > > > (As per BPHS it is not necessary that 2 or more planets should

> be

> > > > there to cause Argala). There could be 3 types of Argala-

> > > > 1) Caused by benefics (Subhargala)

> > > > 2) Caused by malefics (Papargala)

> > > > 3) Caused by the placement of benefics and malefics together

> > > > (Ubhayargala)

> > > > i.e. If there is any (one or more) benefic in 4th it is Argala

> > > Yoga

> > > > (Subhargala). If there is any (one or more) malefic in 4th it is

> > > > Argala Yoga (Papargala). If there is one or more benefic and

> > > malefic

> > > > together placed in 4th it is Argala Yoga (Ubhayargala). The same

> > > is

> > > > true for 2nd and 11th.

> > > >

> > > > Now the question is-

> > > > How a benefic placed in 4th can cause 'Obstruction'

> > > or 'Bondage'?!!

> > > > (Argala)

> > > > The Answer is -

> > > > Even wealth can become bondage, if search is for true happiness.

> > > >

> > > > Note that 4-2-11 are houses that indicate wealth. As per BPHS,

> if

> > > > benefics are present in 4-2-11 (Subhargala) the native will be

> > > rich.

> > > > If malefics are present in 4-2-11 (Papargala) the native will be

> > > > poor. If benefics and malefics are together placed in 4-2-11 at

> > > times

> > > > the native will be rich and at some other point of time he will

> be

> > > > searching for money suffering economic down falls.

> > > >

> > > > Rule -2

> > > > There is another kind of Argala known as Triconargala or

> > > Yogargala.

> > > > It is stated below-

> > > > If there are any planets in 5th house (from Lagna) Argala Yoga

> > > > results. In the same way if there is Ketu in 9th then also

> Argala

> > > > Yoga results.

> > > > As told earlier Argala due to the placement of planets in 5th

> can

> > > be

> > > > of 3 types - Subhargala, Papargala and Ubhayargala. As you can

> > > see,

> > > > Argala caused by Ke in 9th is a Papargala (causing poverty).

> There

> > > is

> > > > no concept of Subhargala, or Ubhayargala related to 9th house.

> > > >

> > > > Why this type of Argala is stated separately? Parasara could

> have

> > > > easily stated, " Placement of any Planet in 2-4-5-11 will cause

> > > > Argala " . But he separated 5th from the 4-2-11, why?

> > > > The reason for this is the 4-2-11 are related to wealth, while

> > > 5th

> > > > is related to knowledge. Here the item that caused 'obstruction'

> > > > or 'bondage' is knowledge or the lack of it. (rather than wealth

> > > or

> > > > the lack of it)

> > > > If there is a benefic in 5th, the native will

> > > suffer 'obstruction'

> > > > or 'bondage' caused by too much knowledge or dependence on

> > > > intelligence. He will be denied of true happiness, that a free

> man

> > > > enjoys. This is Trikonargala and is a Subhargala.

> > > > If there is a malefic in 5th, the native will

> > > suffer 'obstruction'

> > > > or 'bondage' caused by lack of knowledge or lack of

> intelligence.

> > > He

> > > > too will be denied of true happiness, that a free man enjoys.

> This

> > > is

> > > > Trikonargala and is a Papargala.

> > > > If there is one or more malefic and benefic together placed in

> > > 5th,

> > > > the native will suffer 'obstruction' or 'bondage' caused by lack

> > > of

> > > > knowledge or lack of intelligence at times in some subjects and

> > > > surplus of it at other instances in other subjects. He too will

> be

> > > > denied of true happiness, that a free man enjoys. This is

> > > > Trikonargala and is an Ubhayargala.

> > > >

> > > > Virodhargala:

> > > > =============

> > > > There are several combination that can oppose (destroy or

> cancel)

> > > > such Argala Yogas. For example if there is any planet in 11th

> (8th

> > > > from 4th) it can cause opposition to (destroy or cancel) the

> > > Argala

> > > > caused by a planet in 4th (from Lagna). Similarly if there is

> any

> > > > planet in 9th (8th from 2nd) it can cause opposition to (destroy

> > > or

> > > > cancel) the Argala caused by a planet in 2th (from Lagna).

> > > Similarly

> > > > if there is any planet in 6th (8th from 11th) it can cause

> > > opposition

> > > > to (destroy or cancel) the Argala caused by a planet in 11th

> (from

> > > > Lagna).

> > > > There are several other combinations as well that cause

> > > > Virodhargala. (Remember that if there is no Argala, there is no

> > > > importance to the concept of Virodhargala as well)

> > > >

> > > > ==>

> > > > > I do not think there is any divergence of opinion between

> > > > > Jaimini and Parashara, on argala only they might highlight

> > > > > different aspects of the concept.

> > > > <==

> > > > Some combinations that causes Virodhargala, Jaimini mentions but

> > > not

> > > > Parasara. This is unusual, because Jaimini sutra is an effort by

> > > an

> > > > Acharya (Jaimini) to teach Parasara's concepts to his students.

> > > > For example Jaimini says that 2 or more malefics in 3rd house

> can

> > > > cause Virodhargala, and not even mention to which Argala! (i.e.

> > > > Argala caused by the placement of planet in which house). Where

> as

> > > > Parasara does not even mention such a thing. Detailed discussion

> > > of

> > > > combinations that cause Virodhargala will make this mail very

> > > long.

> > > > So I am stopping here.

> > > >

> > > > The whole purpose of my initial mail was to have a better

> > > > understanding of the concepts, use, difference of opinion

> between

> > > > Parasara and Jaimini, logics related to the same etc. In short I

> > > was

> > > > seeking expert opinion about this concept of Argala from the

> > > > astrologers who use it in their daily predictions and horoscope

> > > > readings. (The beginners knowledge of 'What is Argala' anybody

> can

> > > > have by referring BPHS on some online article once. That was not

> > > the

> > > > purpose)

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sreenadh,

> > > > >

> > > > > Argal means a wooden bolt or pin fastening a door. It also

> means

> > > a

> > > > check

> > > > > or obstruction. So Argalas are like obstructions or

> influences.

> > > > When it

> > > > > is shubha grahas casting argala good influence is received and

> > > if

> > > > > ashubha grahas do that the influence is not good so a sort of

> > > > > obstruction. Malefic argala from 3rd is however good. One may

> > > > equate

> > > > > argalas to the door bolt and whether its operation will open

> the

> > > > door of

> > > > > opportunity or close it will depend on whether the argala is

> > > shubha

> > > > or

> > > > > ashubha. I do not think there is any divergence of opinion

> > > between

> > > > > Jaimini and Parashara, on argala only they might highlight

> > > > different

> > > > > aspects of the concept. Most of the difference in concept is

> > > > amongst

> > > > > astrologers as to whether the number of grahas giving argalas

> > > need

> > > > to be

> > > > > three or more or not and so on. Of course other could hold a

> > > > different

> > > > > view on this.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sreenadh wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > What is Argala? What is the popular opinion about the same?

> In

> > > > what

> > > > > > situations it is applicable? Are there any contradictions

> > > between

> > > > the

> > > > > > definition of Argala by Parasara and Jaimini? What is your

> > > > opinion?

> > > > > > Please clarify.

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

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June 8, 2007

Dear Chandrashekhar ji

Thanks a lot for your guidance.It has helpmed to gain a lot over the

years.As you have rightly said ,if we go by blind formulas,then we

get into a habit which can never be changed taking as more and more

away from basics.Your guidance in this regard is a blessing.

Respect

Pradeep

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> I am glad you liked my explanation. You did mention Vyaya as bad

for

> Lagna and I noted it. I just wanted to wean you away from the habit

of

> falling into jargons, like one bhava being sustenance of a bhava or

> growth of a bhava since though they are nice sound bytes, they

mislead.

> The bhavas operate in precise balance to each other and if one is

> thinking that one bhava adds growth to another bhava and taking

away

> strength from other it is not possible that it adds to lagna which

is

> the jataka himself. I know you for a sincere student of this divine

> science and thought that as an elder, in age, I try to lead you in

a

> certain direction. I hope you do not mind that.

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekharji

> >

> > Thanks for correcting me.It was my mistake to mention -all as for

> > growth of Lagna.As you may note i had mentioned Vyaya as bad for

lagna

> > (Jataka) in material sense.

> > After your explanation,i feel bolt meaning is having a role

> > here.Beautifully explained.Thanks.Also thanks for the kind words

and

> > also for explaining the whole concept of Argala in an

> > objective,logical fashion.

> >

> > Respect

> > Pradeep

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > >

> > > Your interpretation is not incorrect. Let us say they are

> > influences, if

> > > you like. At the same time not every bhava is for growth of

Lagna,

> > > otherwise we shall never have dusthanas, that take away from

Lagna

> > or

> > > more precisely the Jataka. As for sages thinking that 2, 4 and

11

> > can

> > > significantly intervene in Lagna, may be let us put it this way,

> > they

> > > are the ones that will give material gains and comforts to the

> > Jataka.

> > >

> > > Your analogy of boat and snake and ladder is very appropriate.

> > >

> > > Your logic in presenting the Labha leading to Parakrama and

vice-a-

> > versa

> > > is appealing. But we may not have to go that far to find why the

> > Virodh

> > > argalas are exactly opposite to the primary argalas. Once we

> > understand

> > > the word argala as a door bolt that can open or close a door

> > depending

> > > on which type of bolt (benefic or malefic) it happens to be, we

> > have to

> > > look at the bolt being slid to open a door but the bolt on the

> > other

> > > side of the door being slid shut thus nullifying the effect of

the

> > > benefic opening the door of opportunity to a jataka in a

Particular

> > area

> > > of life.

> > >

> > > A rather simplified view could be that instead of saying that

> > planets in

> > > 2, 4 and 11 give good results, especially if benefic and that

these

> > > results are blocked if there are equal number of planets in the

> > opposite

> > > houses that is the 12th, 10th and the 3rd; sages brought in the

> > > terminology of Argala to make it easier to follow the concept.

That

> > > perhaps is why the over rider of malefic argala in the3rd not

being

> > > stoppable is given in Argala concept.

> > >

> > > But then I could be completely wrong and other learned may hold

a

> > > different view.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Shri Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for sharing your valuable views.The definition as bolt

and

> > > > comparison with anargala inspired one to think more.

> > > > Kindly evaluate my views.

> > > >

> > > > Anargala as in ''Anargala Pravaaha'' is pointing towards an

> > > > incessant flow,for instance that of a river or music.Anargala

in

> > > > that sense is something which is without any Argala. Thus

Argala

> > > > should be some intervention.

> > > >

> > > > For example when we reach a river,there can be an argala

formed

> > by a

> > > > boat or bridge.Playing snake and ladder we can get a ladder as

> > well

> > > > as snake.I feel Argalas are thus interventions.Now when it

comes

> > to

> > > > analysis ,i feel the following -

> > > >

> > > > Every Bhava is for the Lagna - its Growth or Progress.Thus

sage

> > > > feels 2nd ,4th and 11th from Lagna can significantly intervene

> > with

> > > > the progress of Lagna.

> > > >

> > > > If one is not having manasukha or comforts,there is no gain or

> > > > labha.Similarly kutumba,speech and sight are real wealth for

the

> > > > Lagna in the growing/material sense.

> > > >

> > > > Similarly 3/10/12 from Lagna are balancing/opposing the before

> > said

> > > > interventions(2/4/11) - (Law of Conservation).

> > > >

> > > > Labha,dhana & Sukha work vis-a-vis Prakarama

(initiatives),Karma

> > and

> > > > Vyaya - resulting in well being or poor-being of Lagna.

> > > >

> > > > For example - Labha argala will give good to Lagna while

Vyaya the

> > > > reverse.Good Parakramas will give labha and Good labhas can

> > trigger

> > > > further initiatives.Thus malefics in the 3rd is giving energy

to

> > > > overcome obstacles or furthering initiatives.

> > > > Similarly there is a trade off between manasukha and

initiatives.

> > > >

> > > > Fourth house is aspected by planets in Tenth.Thus 10th is

> > abhimukha

> > > > to 4th.All busy businessmen and Politicians may not have

manasukha

> > > > because of the said trade-off.Similarly Raja sits on the 4th

(his

> > > > throne/Palace) facing Society/Karma mandala(10th).Thus 10th

can

> > > > counter the argala which the 4th is giving to Lagna. Society

can

> > be

> > > > against/throw Raja away or be supportive.

> > > >

> > > > Now 5th and 9th are dealt seperately.They are in konas to

Lagna

> > and

> > > > points to past and present.Dharma leads to Punya carried

forward

> > as

> > > > Poorva-Punya into the 5th.Thus these two works in a cycle

> > balancing

> > > > each other.

> > > >

> > > > Similar to Lagna other Bhavas and Karaka Grahas can be

> > > > analysed.These are my personal views and kindly evaluate and

> > > > correct.

> > > >

> > > > Respect

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, " Sreenadh " <sreesog@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, " Sreenadh " <sreesog@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandra Shekhar ji,

> > > > > Thanks for description.

> > > > > ==>

> > > > > > Argal means a wooden bolt or pin fastening a door. It also

> > means

> > > > > > a check or obstruction. So Argalas are like obstructions

or

> > > > > influences.

> > > > > <==

> > > > > Yes, the better popular word is 'Anargala' which

> > > > means 'continuous'

> > > > > or 'without obstruction'. Argala is opposite of this word

and

> > thus

> > > > > Argala means 'obstruction' or 'bondage'. It could also mean

> > chain

> > > > or

> > > > > lock or wooden bolt or pin for fastening a door as told by

you.

> > > > These

> > > > > meanings too in essence point to original

meaning 'obstruction'

> > > > > or 'bondage'.

> > > > > Literal word meaning:

> > > > > Argala = Obstruction; Aanrgala = Without obstruction

> > > > >

> > > > > Argala Yoga

> > > > > ===========

> > > > > Rule -1:

> > > > >

> > > > > If there are any planets in 4-2-11 house (from Lagna) Argala

> > Yoga

> > > > > results. Any number of planets (1, 2, 3 or more) can cause

> > Argala.

> > > > > (As per BPHS it is not necessary that 2 or more planets

should

> > be

> > > > > there to cause Argala). There could be 3 types of Argala-

> > > > > 1) Caused by benefics (Subhargala)

> > > > > 2) Caused by malefics (Papargala)

> > > > > 3) Caused by the placement of benefics and malefics together

> > > > > (Ubhayargala)

> > > > > i.e. If there is any (one or more) benefic in 4th it is

Argala

> > > > Yoga

> > > > > (Subhargala). If there is any (one or more) malefic in 4th

it is

> > > > > Argala Yoga (Papargala). If there is one or more benefic and

> > > > malefic

> > > > > together placed in 4th it is Argala Yoga (Ubhayargala). The

same

> > > > is

> > > > > true for 2nd and 11th.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now the question is-

> > > > > How a benefic placed in 4th can cause 'Obstruction'

> > > > or 'Bondage'?!!

> > > > > (Argala)

> > > > > The Answer is -

> > > > > Even wealth can become bondage, if search is for true

happiness.

> > > > >

> > > > > Note that 4-2-11 are houses that indicate wealth. As per

BPHS,

> > if

> > > > > benefics are present in 4-2-11 (Subhargala) the native will

be

> > > > rich.

> > > > > If malefics are present in 4-2-11 (Papargala) the native

will be

> > > > > poor. If benefics and malefics are together placed in 4-2-

11 at

> > > > times

> > > > > the native will be rich and at some other point of time he

will

> > be

> > > > > searching for money suffering economic down falls.

> > > > >

> > > > > Rule -2

> > > > > There is another kind of Argala known as Triconargala or

> > > > Yogargala.

> > > > > It is stated below-

> > > > > If there are any planets in 5th house (from Lagna) Argala

Yoga

> > > > > results. In the same way if there is Ketu in 9th then also

> > Argala

> > > > > Yoga results.

> > > > > As told earlier Argala due to the placement of planets in

5th

> > can

> > > > be

> > > > > of 3 types - Subhargala, Papargala and Ubhayargala. As you

can

> > > > see,

> > > > > Argala caused by Ke in 9th is a Papargala (causing poverty).

> > There

> > > > is

> > > > > no concept of Subhargala, or Ubhayargala related to 9th

house.

> > > > >

> > > > > Why this type of Argala is stated separately? Parasara could

> > have

> > > > > easily stated, " Placement of any Planet in 2-4-5-11 will

cause

> > > > > Argala " . But he separated 5th from the 4-2-11, why?

> > > > > The reason for this is the 4-2-11 are related to wealth,

while

> > > > 5th

> > > > > is related to knowledge. Here the item that

caused 'obstruction'

> > > > > or 'bondage' is knowledge or the lack of it. (rather than

wealth

> > > > or

> > > > > the lack of it)

> > > > > If there is a benefic in 5th, the native will

> > > > suffer 'obstruction'

> > > > > or 'bondage' caused by too much knowledge or dependence on

> > > > > intelligence. He will be denied of true happiness, that a

free

> > man

> > > > > enjoys. This is Trikonargala and is a Subhargala.

> > > > > If there is a malefic in 5th, the native will

> > > > suffer 'obstruction'

> > > > > or 'bondage' caused by lack of knowledge or lack of

> > intelligence.

> > > > He

> > > > > too will be denied of true happiness, that a free man

enjoys.

> > This

> > > > is

> > > > > Trikonargala and is a Papargala.

> > > > > If there is one or more malefic and benefic together placed

in

> > > > 5th,

> > > > > the native will suffer 'obstruction' or 'bondage' caused by

lack

> > > > of

> > > > > knowledge or lack of intelligence at times in some subjects

and

> > > > > surplus of it at other instances in other subjects. He too

will

> > be

> > > > > denied of true happiness, that a free man enjoys. This is

> > > > > Trikonargala and is an Ubhayargala.

> > > > >

> > > > > Virodhargala:

> > > > > =============

> > > > > There are several combination that can oppose (destroy or

> > cancel)

> > > > > such Argala Yogas. For example if there is any planet in

11th

> > (8th

> > > > > from 4th) it can cause opposition to (destroy or cancel) the

> > > > Argala

> > > > > caused by a planet in 4th (from Lagna). Similarly if there

is

> > any

> > > > > planet in 9th (8th from 2nd) it can cause opposition to

(destroy

> > > > or

> > > > > cancel) the Argala caused by a planet in 2th (from Lagna).

> > > > Similarly

> > > > > if there is any planet in 6th (8th from 11th) it can cause

> > > > opposition

> > > > > to (destroy or cancel) the Argala caused by a planet in 11th

> > (from

> > > > > Lagna).

> > > > > There are several other combinations as well that cause

> > > > > Virodhargala. (Remember that if there is no Argala, there

is no

> > > > > importance to the concept of Virodhargala as well)

> > > > >

> > > > > ==>

> > > > > > I do not think there is any divergence of opinion between

> > > > > > Jaimini and Parashara, on argala only they might highlight

> > > > > > different aspects of the concept.

> > > > > <==

> > > > > Some combinations that causes Virodhargala, Jaimini

mentions but

> > > > not

> > > > > Parasara. This is unusual, because Jaimini sutra is an

effort by

> > > > an

> > > > > Acharya (Jaimini) to teach Parasara's concepts to his

students.

> > > > > For example Jaimini says that 2 or more malefics in 3rd

house

> > can

> > > > > cause Virodhargala, and not even mention to which Argala!

(i.e.

> > > > > Argala caused by the placement of planet in which house).

Where

> > as

> > > > > Parasara does not even mention such a thing. Detailed

discussion

> > > > of

> > > > > combinations that cause Virodhargala will make this mail

very

> > > > long.

> > > > > So I am stopping here.

> > > > >

> > > > > The whole purpose of my initial mail was to have a better

> > > > > understanding of the concepts, use, difference of opinion

> > between

> > > > > Parasara and Jaimini, logics related to the same etc. In

short I

> > > > was

> > > > > seeking expert opinion about this concept of Argala from the

> > > > > astrologers who use it in their daily predictions and

horoscope

> > > > > readings. (The beginners knowledge of 'What is Argala'

anybody

> > can

> > > > > have by referring BPHS on some online article once. That

was not

> > > > the

> > > > > purpose)

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Argal means a wooden bolt or pin fastening a door. It also

> > means

> > > > a

> > > > > check

> > > > > > or obstruction. So Argalas are like obstructions or

> > influences.

> > > > > When it

> > > > > > is shubha grahas casting argala good influence is

received and

> > > > if

> > > > > > ashubha grahas do that the influence is not good so a

sort of

> > > > > > obstruction. Malefic argala from 3rd is however good. One

may

> > > > > equate

> > > > > > argalas to the door bolt and whether its operation will

open

> > the

> > > > > door of

> > > > > > opportunity or close it will depend on whether the argala

is

> > > > shubha

> > > > > or

> > > > > > ashubha. I do not think there is any divergence of opinion

> > > > between

> > > > > > Jaimini and Parashara, on argala only they might highlight

> > > > > different

> > > > > > aspects of the concept. Most of the difference in concept

is

> > > > > amongst

> > > > > > astrologers as to whether the number of grahas giving

argalas

> > > > need

> > > > > to be

> > > > > > three or more or not and so on. Of course other could

hold a

> > > > > different

> > > > > > view on this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sreenadh wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > What is Argala? What is the popular opinion about the

same?

> > In

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > situations it is applicable? Are there any

contradictions

> > > > between

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > definition of Argala by Parasara and Jaimini? What is

your

> > > > > opinion?

> > > > > > > Please clarify.

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

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> > > > > >

June 8, 2007

Dear Pradeep,

I am glad you did not misunderstand me.

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar ji

>

> Thanks a lot for your guidance.It has helpmed to gain a lot over the

> years.As you have rightly said ,if we go by blind formulas,then we

> get into a habit which can never be changed taking as more and more

> away from basics.Your guidance in this regard is a blessing.

>

> Respect

> Pradeep

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep,

> >

> > I am glad you liked my explanation. You did mention Vyaya as bad

> for

> > Lagna and I noted it. I just wanted to wean you away from the habit

> of

> > falling into jargons, like one bhava being sustenance of a bhava or

> > growth of a bhava since though they are nice sound bytes, they

> mislead.

> > The bhavas operate in precise balance to each other and if one is

> > thinking that one bhava adds growth to another bhava and taking

> away

> > strength from other it is not possible that it adds to lagna which

> is

> > the jataka himself. I know you for a sincere student of this divine

> > science and thought that as an elder, in age, I try to lead you in

> a

> > certain direction. I hope you do not mind that.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekharji

> > >

> > > Thanks for correcting me.It was my mistake to mention -all as for

> > > growth of Lagna.As you may note i had mentioned Vyaya as bad for

> lagna

> > > (Jataka) in material sense.

> > > After your explanation,i feel bolt meaning is having a role

> > > here.Beautifully explained.Thanks.Also thanks for the kind words

> and

> > > also for explaining the whole concept of Argala in an

> > > objective,logical fashion.

> > >

> > > Respect

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > Your interpretation is not incorrect. Let us say they are

> > > influences, if

> > > > you like. At the same time not every bhava is for growth of

> Lagna,

> > > > otherwise we shall never have dusthanas, that take away from

> Lagna

> > > or

> > > > more precisely the Jataka. As for sages thinking that 2, 4 and

> 11

> > > can

> > > > significantly intervene in Lagna, may be let us put it this way,

> > > they

> > > > are the ones that will give material gains and comforts to the

> > > Jataka.

> > > >

> > > > Your analogy of boat and snake and ladder is very appropriate.

> > > >

> > > > Your logic in presenting the Labha leading to Parakrama and

> vice-a-

> > > versa

> > > > is appealing. But we may not have to go that far to find why the

> > > Virodh

> > > > argalas are exactly opposite to the primary argalas. Once we

> > > understand

> > > > the word argala as a door bolt that can open or close a door

> > > depending

> > > > on which type of bolt (benefic or malefic) it happens to be, we

> > > have to

> > > > look at the bolt being slid to open a door but the bolt on the

> > > other

> > > > side of the door being slid shut thus nullifying the effect of

> the

> > > > benefic opening the door of opportunity to a jataka in a

> Particular

> > > area

> > > > of life.

> > > >

> > > > A rather simplified view could be that instead of saying that

> > > planets in

> > > > 2, 4 and 11 give good results, especially if benefic and that

> these

> > > > results are blocked if there are equal number of planets in the

> > > opposite

> > > > houses that is the 12th, 10th and the 3rd; sages brought in the

> > > > terminology of Argala to make it easier to follow the concept.

> That

> > > > perhaps is why the over rider of malefic argala in the3rd not

> being

> > > > stoppable is given in Argala concept.

> > > >

> > > > But then I could be completely wrong and other learned may hold

> a

> > > > different view.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Shri Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for sharing your valuable views.The definition as bolt

> and

> > > > > comparison with anargala inspired one to think more.

> > > > > Kindly evaluate my views.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anargala as in ''Anargala Pravaaha'' is pointing towards an

> > > > > incessant flow,for instance that of a river or music.Anargala

> in

> > > > > that sense is something which is without any Argala. Thus

> Argala

> > > > > should be some intervention.

> > > > >

> > > > > For example when we reach a river,there can be an argala

> formed

> > > by a

> > > > > boat or bridge.Playing snake and ladder we can get a ladder as

> > > well

> > > > > as snake.I feel Argalas are thus interventions.Now when it

> comes

> > > to

> > > > > analysis ,i feel the following -

> > > > >

> > > > > Every Bhava is for the Lagna - its Growth or Progress.Thus

> sage

> > > > > feels 2nd ,4th and 11th from Lagna can significantly intervene

> > > with

> > > > > the progress of Lagna.

> > > > >

> > > > > If one is not having manasukha or comforts,there is no gain or

> > > > > labha.Similarly kutumba,speech and sight are real wealth for

> the

> > > > > Lagna in the growing/material sense.

> > > > >

> > > > > Similarly 3/10/12 from Lagna are balancing/opposing the before

> > > said

> > > > > interventions(2/4/11) - (Law of Conservation).

> > > > >

> > > > > Labha,dhana & Sukha work vis-a-vis Prakarama

> (initiatives),Karma

> > > and

> > > > > Vyaya - resulting in well being or poor-being of Lagna.

> > > > >

> > > > > For example - Labha argala will give good to Lagna while

> Vyaya the

> > > > > reverse.Good Parakramas will give labha and Good labhas can

> > > trigger

> > > > > further initiatives.Thus malefics in the 3rd is giving energy

> to

> > > > > overcome obstacles or furthering initiatives.

> > > > > Similarly there is a trade off between manasukha and

> initiatives.

> > > > >

> > > > > Fourth house is aspected by planets in Tenth.Thus 10th is

> > > abhimukha

> > > > > to 4th.All busy businessmen and Politicians may not have

> manasukha

> > > > > because of the said trade-off.Similarly Raja sits on the 4th

> (his

> > > > > throne/Palace) facing Society/Karma mandala(10th).Thus 10th

> can

> > > > > counter the argala which the 4th is giving to Lagna. Society

> can

> > > be

> > > > > against/throw Raja away or be supportive.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now 5th and 9th are dealt seperately.They are in konas to

> Lagna

> > > and

> > > > > points to past and present.Dharma leads to Punya carried

> forward

> > > as

> > > > > Poorva-Punya into the 5th.Thus these two works in a cycle

> > > balancing

> > > > > each other.

> > > > >

> > > > > Similar to Lagna other Bhavas and Karaka Grahas can be

> > > > > analysed.These are my personal views and kindly evaluate and

> > > > > correct.

> > > > >

> > > > > Respect

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, " Sreenadh " <sreesog@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, " Sreenadh " <sreesog@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandra Shekhar ji,

> > > > > > Thanks for description.

> > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > > Argal means a wooden bolt or pin fastening a door. It also

> > > means

> > > > > > > a check or obstruction. So Argalas are like obstructions

> or

> > > > > > influences.

> > > > > > <==

> > > > > > Yes, the better popular word is 'Anargala' which

> > > > > means 'continuous'

> > > > > > or 'without obstruction'. Argala is opposite of this word

> and

> > > thus

> > > > > > Argala means 'obstruction' or 'bondage'. It could also mean

> > > chain

> > > > > or

> > > > > > lock or wooden bolt or pin for fastening a door as told by

> you.

> > > > > These

> > > > > > meanings too in essence point to original

> meaning 'obstruction'

> > > > > > or 'bondage'.

> > > > > > Literal word meaning:

> > > > > > Argala = Obstruction; Aanrgala = Without obstruction

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Argala Yoga

> > > > > > ===========

> > > > > > Rule -1:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If there are any planets in 4-2-11 house (from Lagna) Argala

> > > Yoga

> > > > > > results. Any number of planets (1, 2, 3 or more) can cause

> > > Argala.

> > > > > > (As per BPHS it is not necessary that 2 or more planets

> should

> > > be

> > > > > > there to cause Argala). There could be 3 types of Argala-

> > > > > > 1) Caused by benefics (Subhargala)

> > > > > > 2) Caused by malefics (Papargala)

> > > > > > 3) Caused by the placement of benefics and malefics together

> > > > > > (Ubhayargala)

> > > > > > i.e. If there is any (one or more) benefic in 4th it is

> Argala

> > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > (Subhargala). If there is any (one or more) malefic in 4th

> it is

> > > > > > Argala Yoga (Papargala). If there is one or more benefic and

> > > > > malefic

> > > > > > together placed in 4th it is Argala Yoga (Ubhayargala). The

> same

> > > > > is

> > > > > > true for 2nd and 11th.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now the question is-

> > > > > > How a benefic placed in 4th can cause 'Obstruction'

> > > > > or 'Bondage'?!!

> > > > > > (Argala)

> > > > > > The Answer is -

> > > > > > Even wealth can become bondage, if search is for true

> happiness.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Note that 4-2-11 are houses that indicate wealth. As per

> BPHS,

> > > if

> > > > > > benefics are present in 4-2-11 (Subhargala) the native will

> be

> > > > > rich.

> > > > > > If malefics are present in 4-2-11 (Papargala) the native

> will be

> > > > > > poor. If benefics and malefics are together placed in 4-2-

> 11 at

> > > > > times

> > > > > > the native will be rich and at some other point of time he

> will

> > > be

> > > > > > searching for money suffering economic down falls.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rule -2

> > > > > > There is another kind of Argala known as Triconargala or

> > > > > Yogargala.

> > > > > > It is stated below-

> > > > > > If there are any planets in 5th house (from Lagna) Argala

> Yoga

> > > > > > results. In the same way if there is Ketu in 9th then also

> > > Argala

> > > > > > Yoga results.

> > > > > > As told earlier Argala due to the placement of planets in

> 5th

> > > can

> > > > > be

> > > > > > of 3 types - Subhargala, Papargala and Ubhayargala. As you

> can

> > > > > see,

> > > > > > Argala caused by Ke in 9th is a Papargala (causing poverty).

> > > There

> > > > > is

> > > > > > no concept of Subhargala, or Ubhayargala related to 9th

> house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Why this type of Argala is stated separately? Parasara could

> > > have

> > > > > > easily stated, " Placement of any Planet in 2-4-5-11 will

> cause

> > > > > > Argala " . But he separated 5th from the 4-2-11, why?

> > > > > > The reason for this is the 4-2-11 are related to wealth,

> while

> > > > > 5th

> > > > > > is related to knowledge. Here the item that

> caused 'obstruction'

> > > > > > or 'bondage' is knowledge or the lack of it. (rather than

> wealth

> > > > > or

> > > > > > the lack of it)

> > > > > > If there is a benefic in 5th, the native will

> > > > > suffer 'obstruction'

> > > > > > or 'bondage' caused by too much knowledge or dependence on

> > > > > > intelligence. He will be denied of true happiness, that a

> free

> > > man

> > > > > > enjoys. This is Trikonargala and is a Subhargala.

> > > > > > If there is a malefic in 5th, the native will

> > > > > suffer 'obstruction'

> > > > > > or 'bondage' caused by lack of knowledge or lack of

> > > intelligence.

> > > > > He

> > > > > > too will be denied of true happiness, that a free man

> enjoys.

> > > This

> > > > > is

> > > > > > Trikonargala and is a Papargala.

> > > > > > If there is one or more malefic and benefic together placed

> in

> > > > > 5th,

> > > > > > the native will suffer 'obstruction' or 'bondage' caused by

> lack

> > > > > of

> > > > > > knowledge or lack of intelligence at times in some subjects

> and

> > > > > > surplus of it at other instances in other subjects. He too

> will

> > > be

> > > > > > denied of true happiness, that a free man enjoys. This is

> > > > > > Trikonargala and is an Ubhayargala.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Virodhargala:

> > > > > > =============

> > > > > > There are several combination that can oppose (destroy or

> > > cancel)

> > > > > > such Argala Yogas. For example if there is any planet in

> 11th

> > > (8th

> > > > > > from 4th) it can cause opposition to (destroy or cancel) the

> > > > > Argala

> > > > > > caused by a planet in 4th (from Lagna). Similarly if there

> is

> > > any

> > > > > > planet in 9th (8th from 2nd) it can cause opposition to

> (destroy

> > > > > or

> > > > > > cancel) the Argala caused by a planet in 2th (from Lagna).

> > > > > Similarly

> > > > > > if there is any planet in 6th (8th from 11th) it can cause

> > > > > opposition

> > > > > > to (destroy or cancel) the Argala caused by a planet in 11th

> > > (from

> > > > > > Lagna).

> > > > > > There are several other combinations as well that cause

> > > > > > Virodhargala. (Remember that if there is no Argala, there

> is no

> > > > > > importance to the concept of Virodhargala as well)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > > I do not think there is any divergence of opinion between

> > > > > > > Jaimini and Parashara, on argala only they might highlight

> > > > > > > different aspects of the concept.

> > > > > > <==

> > > > > > Some combinations that causes Virodhargala, Jaimini

> mentions but

> > > > > not

> > > > > > Parasara. This is unusual, because Jaimini sutra is an

> effort by

> > > > > an

> > > > > > Acharya (Jaimini) to teach Parasara's concepts to his

> students.

> > > > > > For example Jaimini says that 2 or more malefics in 3rd

> house

> > > can

> > > > > > cause Virodhargala, and not even mention to which Argala!

> (i.e.

> > > > > > Argala caused by the placement of planet in which house).

> Where

> > > as

> > > > > > Parasara does not even mention such a thing. Detailed

> discussion

> > > > > of

> > > > > > combinations that cause Virodhargala will make this mail

> very

> > > > > long.

> > > > > > So I am stopping here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The whole purpose of my initial mail was to have a better

> > > > > > understanding of the concepts, use, difference of opinion

> > > between

> > > > > > Parasara and Jaimini, logics related to the same etc. In

> short I

> > > > > was

> > > > > > seeking expert opinion about this concept of Argala from the

> > > > > > astrologers who use it in their daily predictions and

> horoscope

> > > > > > readings. (The beginners knowledge of 'What is Argala'

> anybody

> > > can

> > > > > > have by referring BPHS on some online article once. That

> was not

> > > > > the

> > > > > > purpose)

> > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Argal means a wooden bolt or pin fastening a door. It also

> > > means

> > > > > a

> > > > > > check

> > > > > > > or obstruction. So Argalas are like obstructions or

> > > influences.

> > > > > > When it

> > > > > > > is shubha grahas casting argala good influence is

> received and

> > > > > if

> > > > > > > ashubha grahas do that the influence is not good so a

> sort of

> > > > > > > obstruction. Malefic argala from 3rd is however good. One

> may

> > > > > > equate

> > > > > > > argalas to the door bolt and whether its operation will

> open

> > > the

> > > > > > door of

> > > > > > > opportunity or close it will depend on whether the argala

> is

> > > > > shubha

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > ashubha. I do not think there is any divergence of opinion

> > > > > between

> > > > > > > Jaimini and Parashara, on argala only they might highlight

> > > > > > different

> > > > > > > aspects of the concept. Most of the difference in concept

> is

> > > > > > amongst

> > > > > > > astrologers as to whether the number of grahas giving

> argalas

> > > > > need

> > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > three or more or not and so on. Of course other could

> hold a

> > > > > > different

> > > > > > > view on this.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sreenadh wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > What is Argala? What is the popular opinion about the

> same?

> > > In

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > situations it is applicable? Are there any

> contradictions

> > > > > between

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > definition of Argala by Parasara and Jaimini? What is

> your

> > > > > > opinion?

> > > > > > > > Please clarify.

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >

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