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Dear Chandrashekhar ji

 

I am sure that,you know,Varga charts are not necessary for finding

Shadbalas of a planet.Only their vargas are needed.As there may be

many beginners in this list,words from a learned scholar like you

may mislead them.Because when we say a chart,they will think of

aspects,bhava,drishti etc.

 

As you know for sure,shadbala calculation never considers the above

said in varga arrangements or charts.What i meant was - Kendradi

bala is present in Shadbala.But kendra in navamsha or other vargas

are not cosnsidred.On the other hand positional strength is

considered(mithra rashi/moolatrikona) by looking at Navamshaka

rashi.Also Ojayugma balas are considered w.r to Navamshaka rashi.

 

If Navamsha is a chart,why should sage ignore Kendra in such a very

important Chart.My view is it is a very important Varga of a Rashi

but not a chart.As you know inspite of myself repeating for years -

No one was prepared(except a few) to listen to the definition given

by Parashara Muni - Vargas are divisions of a 30 degree Rashi and it

is for our natal Lagna and Planets.

 

Respect

Pradeep

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> Shadbalas are not seen in Navamsha as they are the strength of the

> grahas in 6 of the divisional charts including the lagna chart.

Same is

> the case with Saptavargajabala.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Satish ji

> >

> > I made an attempt to understand ShadBalas.As you are far learned

than

> > me,you are aware of

> >

> > Sthana(Positional)/Dik(Directional)/Kala(Temporal)/Cheshta

> > (Motional)/Naisargika(Natural)/Drik(Aspectual) Balas forming the

six

> > type of strengths.

> >

> > Among these Divisionals of a planet is considered only for Sthana

> > Bala.

> >

> > So let us analyse it in detail.

> >

> > Sthana or Positional is again subdivided into -

> >

> > Ucha

> > Ucha Bala is calculated only based on Rashi position.If Navamsha

> > Sambandhas are taken then counterproductive results will come as

one

> > has to consider Paramocha and Parama neecha positions.This also

> > explains the difference between an exalted planet and a planet

> > attaining navamsha in its exaltation rashi.Effects are not the

same.

> >

> > SaptaVargaja

> > It is based on a planets Varga sambandha with own/mithra or subha

> > rashis.Varga sambandha with Moolatrikona Rashi gets maximum

> > shashtyamsha(45).Exaltation is not considered,supporting the view

> > expressed above.

> >

> > Ojayugma/Ojayugma Rashyamshaka

> > It is based on the sex of planet and Oja/yugma nature of the

rashi in

> > which it is placed or having navamsha sambandha.No dispute here.

> >

> > Kendradi

> >

> > Strength arising out of placement in Kendra,panaphara,kona etc

are

> > Kendradi Balas.Here only Kendras etc from LAGNA Rashi positions

are

> > considered for strength computation.Not from kendras to Lagna

> > Navamsha or Lagna Saptamsha Rashis.On the other hand for

> > Ojayugma/SaptaVargaja/Dreshkana etc Varga positions are

considered.It

> > points to usage of vargas.

> >

> > LAGNA KENDRA is ''KENDRA'' for Jataka while other Rashis are

> > Paraspara kendras working as paraspara karakas for concerned

bhavas.

> >

> > Dreshkana

> >

> > Here again strengths are considered based on sex of a planet and

> > their placement within 1st ,2nd or 3rd - 10 degree sectors

> > (Dreshkanas) WITHIN a RASHI.

> >

> > Similar to Bhavat/Bhavam one can consider 4th 10th etc from Lagna

> > navamsha in rashichakra.But aspects and placements are to be

> > considered based on rashi positions.

> > I got more clues from Karakamsha shlokas and will share them.

> >

> > Kindly correct if the above shadbala computations are wrong.

> >

> > Respect

> > Pardeep

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Satish,

> > >

> > > It is the Kendra and Kona in Navamsha, so it is with

respective to

> > > Navamsha lagna, as indicated by Parashara. Yes, Rahu in Mesha

> > navamsha

> > > will yet afflict Mars, is my opinion.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > SPK wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekarji,

> > > >

> > > > How do you define kendra/kona in navansha. Is it

> > > > kendra/kona house in nnavansha OR kendra/kona of rashi

> > > > ?

> > > >

> > > > About Rahu/ketu,are you saying that if rahu say in

> > > > mesh navansha will make mangal weak ?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > > Satish

> > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Satish,

> > > > >

> > > > > Their placement in Kendra, Trikona, own, friend,

> > > > > exaltation navamsha,

> > > > > indicate strength and reverse of this indicates

> > > > > weakness. Also

> > > > > occupation of same navamsha as of the node indicates

> > > > > weakness. By

> > > > > logical extension occupation of navamsha owned by a

> > > > > planet by node also

> > > > > indicates its weakness.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > SPK wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chadrashekharji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How do you find the strength of planet in navansha

> > > > > ?

> > > > > > What paramater to use ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You can not use all the shadbala strengths in

> > > > > navansha

> > > > > > or can you ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Staan Bal ( Uchha, neecha, own sign) ..that makes

> > > > > > sense

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Retrograde ( planet retro in rashi will be retro

> > > > > in

> > > > > > navansha as well)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do you use house placements ( 6-8-12 from lagna

> > > > > amsha

> > > > > > )

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you use dig bala ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________

> > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals

> > > > to amazing places on Travel.

> > > > http://travel./ <http://travel./>

> > <http://travel./ <http://travel./>>

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Dear Pradeep,

 

I can understand what you are saying. But if you do not draw or write

down the Vargas of a chart from what do you take Vargas? Let me amplify.

If you do not cast dreshkana then where in dreshkana do you find trine?

Or for that matter navamsha and so on. I think I have already indicated

that the charts are drawn and certain nomenclature are used to make it

easier to follow what the sages intended we do.

 

Or is it that you are talking about shadabalas of grahas in rasi charts

which is a totally different matter. I was equating your shadbala to

Shadavarga bala as you also talked about Saptavargaja bala in the same mail.

 

I think there is some confusion about bala calculations that exists.

When we talk about shadbala it is about bala in Rasi, Hora, Dreshkana,

Navamsha, Dwadashaamsha and Trimshaamsha. Here the relative full

strength (called Sva Vishwa) is 6, 2, 4, 5, 2 and 1, respectively. When

we add Saptamsha to shadvarga we get Saptavargas. here the order of

strength becomes 5, 2,3, 2 1/2, 4 1/2 2 and 1. These full strength is

what is called the Vimshopaka bala. If a planet is in own house in the

relevant Varga the strength (Placement strength in a Varga or Varga

Vishwa) is 20, in adhimitra (extreme or bosom friend) house it is 18, in

friend's house it is 15, in house of planet that is sama (equal) it is

10, in enemy house it is 7 and in extreme enemy's house it is 5. One

multiplies the Sva Vishwa with Varga Vishwa and the product is divided

by 20 to arrive at the Vimshopaka strength of a planet in one Varga.

Once you do that will all the concerned Vargas, add the vimshopaka

strength of the graha in all Vargas and the assessment of strength is in

increments of 5, where five is inauspicious and between 15 to 20 points

on get very favourable results from the graha.

 

I never said that Kendraadi bala was considered in navamsha for

shadbala. But it is considered for assessing the strength of grahas

there as advised by Parashara vide Adhyaaya 6 shloka42 to 53 You will

note that importance in the matter of strength is also given to a graha

being in rasis that are square to Arudha lagna, in different Vargas,

besides exaltation, own, Mooltrikona etc, in Varga charts.

 

And then there is the method of assessing strength of graha by Navamsha

Tulya rasi and rasi tulya navamsha where the graha occupying trines or

squares in a Varga is assessed as with strength in that Varga and its

placement in dusthana is considered as taking its strength away in that

Varga. We also have the rejoinder that if graha is in debility in

Navamsha it gives similar results even if it occupies its exaltation

sign in Rasi chart and same for its exalted position which overrules the

loss of strength by its occupation of rasi of debility in rasi chart.

 

So there are many ways that strength of a graha can be assessed. Sthana

bala is only one of the way of assessing the strength of a graha and as

you indicated there are more than one method to do that.

 

So, sages have not ignored Kendras and Trikonas in navamsha. But you can

not find all the astrological references in a small number of books. It

is not for nothing that the sages tel us that there are 100,000 grammars

( of Sanskrit) and 400,000 texts of Jyotish. You will also see many

variation of how to assess strength of grahas in various nadi texts that

may not appear in some other texts.

 

I have already given you the shloka from Brihat jataka indicating

aspects in Navamsha and Dwadashaamsha and am awaiting you inputs about

whether Dashaadhyaayi has something parallel in it. I know that

Dashaadhyaayi is in no means complete as the commentary is only on 10

adhayaayas of Brihat jataka whereas the shloka I gave you is from an

adhayaaya that appears much later in that text. But I am sure that a

great commentator would have certainly commented something about this

and would like to know his views.

 

And by the way I am only a student of astrology and nothing more.

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

 

 

vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar ji

>

> I am sure that,you know,Varga charts are not necessary for finding

> Shadbalas of a planet.Only their vargas are needed.As there may be

> many beginners in this list,words from a learned scholar like you

> may mislead them.Because when we say a chart,they will think of

> aspects,bhava,drishti etc.

>

> As you know for sure,shadbala calculation never considers the above

> said in varga arrangements or charts.What i meant was - Kendradi

> bala is present in Shadbala.But kendra in navamsha or other vargas

> are not cosnsidred.On the other hand positional strength is

> considered(mithra rashi/moolatrikona) by looking at Navamshaka

> rashi.Also Ojayugma balas are considered w.r to Navamshaka rashi.

>

> If Navamsha is a chart,why should sage ignore Kendra in such a very

> important Chart.My view is it is a very important Varga of a Rashi

> but not a chart.As you know inspite of myself repeating for years -

> No one was prepared(except a few) to listen to the definition given

> by Parashara Muni - Vargas are divisions of a 30 degree Rashi and it

> is for our natal Lagna and Planets.

>

> Respect

> Pradeep

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep,

> >

> > Shadbalas are not seen in Navamsha as they are the strength of the

> > grahas in 6 of the divisional charts including the lagna chart.

> Same is

> > the case with Saptavargajabala.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Satish ji

> > >

> > > I made an attempt to understand ShadBalas.As you are far learned

> than

> > > me,you are aware of

> > >

> > > Sthana(Positional)/Dik(Directional)/Kala(Temporal)/Cheshta

> > > (Motional)/Naisargika(Natural)/Drik(Aspectual) Balas forming the

> six

> > > type of strengths.

> > >

> > > Among these Divisionals of a planet is considered only for Sthana

> > > Bala.

> > >

> > > So let us analyse it in detail.

> > >

> > > Sthana or Positional is again subdivided into -

> > >

> > > Ucha

> > > Ucha Bala is calculated only based on Rashi position.If Navamsha

> > > Sambandhas are taken then counterproductive results will come as

> one

> > > has to consider Paramocha and Parama neecha positions.This also

> > > explains the difference between an exalted planet and a planet

> > > attaining navamsha in its exaltation rashi.Effects are not the

> same.

> > >

> > > SaptaVargaja

> > > It is based on a planets Varga sambandha with own/mithra or subha

> > > rashis.Varga sambandha with Moolatrikona Rashi gets maximum

> > > shashtyamsha(45).Exaltation is not considered,supporting the view

> > > expressed above.

> > >

> > > Ojayugma/Ojayugma Rashyamshaka

> > > It is based on the sex of planet and Oja/yugma nature of the

> rashi in

> > > which it is placed or having navamsha sambandha.No dispute here.

> > >

> > > Kendradi

> > >

> > > Strength arising out of placement in Kendra,panaphara,kona etc

> are

> > > Kendradi Balas.Here only Kendras etc from LAGNA Rashi positions

> are

> > > considered for strength computation.Not from kendras to Lagna

> > > Navamsha or Lagna Saptamsha Rashis.On the other hand for

> > > Ojayugma/SaptaVargaja/Dreshkana etc Varga positions are

> considered.It

> > > points to usage of vargas.

> > >

> > > LAGNA KENDRA is ''KENDRA'' for Jataka while other Rashis are

> > > Paraspara kendras working as paraspara karakas for concerned

> bhavas.

> > >

> > > Dreshkana

> > >

> > > Here again strengths are considered based on sex of a planet and

> > > their placement within 1st ,2nd or 3rd - 10 degree sectors

> > > (Dreshkanas) WITHIN a RASHI.

> > >

> > > Similar to Bhavat/Bhavam one can consider 4th 10th etc from Lagna

> > > navamsha in rashichakra.But aspects and placements are to be

> > > considered based on rashi positions.

> > > I got more clues from Karakamsha shlokas and will share them.

> > >

> > > Kindly correct if the above shadbala computations are wrong.

> > >

> > > Respect

> > > Pardeep

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Satish,

> > > >

> > > > It is the Kendra and Kona in Navamsha, so it is with

> respective to

> > > > Navamsha lagna, as indicated by Parashara. Yes, Rahu in Mesha

> > > navamsha

> > > > will yet afflict Mars, is my opinion.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > SPK wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekarji,

> > > > >

> > > > > How do you define kendra/kona in navansha. Is it

> > > > > kendra/kona house in nnavansha OR kendra/kona of rashi

> > > > > ?

> > > > >

> > > > > About Rahu/ketu,are you saying that if rahu say in

> > > > > mesh navansha will make mangal weak ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > > > Satish

> > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Satish,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Their placement in Kendra, Trikona, own, friend,

> > > > > > exaltation navamsha,

> > > > > > indicate strength and reverse of this indicates

> > > > > > weakness. Also

> > > > > > occupation of same navamsha as of the node indicates

> > > > > > weakness. By

> > > > > > logical extension occupation of navamsha owned by a

> > > > > > planet by node also

> > > > > > indicates its weakness.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SPK wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chadrashekharji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > How do you find the strength of planet in navansha

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > What paramater to use ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You can not use all the shadbala strengths in

> > > > > > navansha

> > > > > > > or can you ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Staan Bal ( Uchha, neecha, own sign) ..that makes

> > > > > > > sense

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Retrograde ( planet retro in rashi will be retro

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > navansha as well)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Do you use house placements ( 6-8-12 from lagna

> > > > > > amsha

> > > > > > > )

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can you use dig bala ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________

> > > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals

> > > > > to amazing places on Travel.

> > > > > http://travel./ <http://travel./>

> <http://travel./ <http://travel./>>

> > > <http://travel./ <http://travel./>

> <http://travel./ <http://travel./>>>

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> Date:

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Dear Chandrashekhar ji

 

Thanks a lot for your mail.

You are a scholar and myself is nothing more than a beginner.I am

sticking to rules as explained by sages.I then had tried to see how

other learned souls for eg Govinda Bhattathiri(1200 ),Late

Subburao,Late Santhanam etc have interpreted those classical

rules.Thus i am just trying to understand the basics withy the help

of classics.

 

Yourself claiming to be a student,shows your humility and respect is

always for that.It is also a model.

 

Yes i did mean shadvarga bala as you had mentioned.Graha placed in

rashi kendra etc have points in kendradi bala.But their placement in

navamsha arrangement is not considered.

 

Also for drekkana bala,based on sex of graha - strength is allotted

based on position within 1st 2nd or 3rd 10 degree sectors within a

rashi.

 

Graha having amshaka in rashis which are kendra to their

mulatrikona,arudha lagna etc are considered for vimshopaka bala.But

then you will understand the difference between

1)having amshaka in a rashi which is kendra to Arudha Lagna

2)having amshaka in a rashi which is kendra to Arudha Lagnamahsa

Rashi.

 

When you see varga arrangements it is amsha of Arudha Lagna.I don't

think sage has mentioned this anywhere.Thus 2 is not correct and 1 is

the case.

Tulya Rashis w.r to navamshaka rashi and Rashi are frame of

references as in bhavat bhavam.Finally they zero into 30 degree

Rashis.

 

The rest has already been answered in other mails.

 

Me too ever prepared to learn.

 

Respect

Pradeep

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> I can understand what you are saying. But if you do not draw or

write

> down the Vargas of a chart from what do you take Vargas? Let me

amplify.

> If you do not cast dreshkana then where in dreshkana do you find

trine?

> Or for that matter navamsha and so on. I think I have already

indicated

> that the charts are drawn and certain nomenclature are used to make

it

> easier to follow what the sages intended we do.

>

> Or is it that you are talking about shadabalas of grahas in rasi

charts

> which is a totally different matter. I was equating your shadbala

to

> Shadavarga bala as you also talked about Saptavargaja bala in the

same mail.

>

> I think there is some confusion about bala calculations that

exists.

> When we talk about shadbala it is about bala in Rasi, Hora,

Dreshkana,

> Navamsha, Dwadashaamsha and Trimshaamsha. Here the relative full

> strength (called Sva Vishwa) is 6, 2, 4, 5, 2 and 1, respectively.

When

> we add Saptamsha to shadvarga we get Saptavargas. here the order of

> strength becomes 5, 2,3, 2 1/2, 4 1/2 2 and 1. These full strength

is

> what is called the Vimshopaka bala. If a planet is in own house in

the

> relevant Varga the strength (Placement strength in a Varga or

Varga

> Vishwa) is 20, in adhimitra (extreme or bosom friend) house it is

18, in

> friend's house it is 15, in house of planet that is sama (equal) it

is

> 10, in enemy house it is 7 and in extreme enemy's house it is 5.

One

> multiplies the Sva Vishwa with Varga Vishwa and the product is

divided

> by 20 to arrive at the Vimshopaka strength of a planet in one

Varga.

> Once you do that will all the concerned Vargas, add the vimshopaka

> strength of the graha in all Vargas and the assessment of strength

is in

> increments of 5, where five is inauspicious and between 15 to 20

points

> on get very favourable results from the graha.

>

> I never said that Kendraadi bala was considered in navamsha for

> shadbala. But it is considered for assessing the strength of grahas

> there as advised by Parashara vide Adhyaaya 6 shloka42 to 53 You

will

> note that importance in the matter of strength is also given to a

graha

> being in rasis that are square to Arudha lagna, in different

Vargas,

> besides exaltation, own, Mooltrikona etc, in Varga charts.

>

> And then there is the method of assessing strength of graha by

Navamsha

> Tulya rasi and rasi tulya navamsha where the graha occupying trines

or

> squares in a Varga is assessed as with strength in that Varga and

its

> placement in dusthana is considered as taking its strength away in

that

> Varga. We also have the rejoinder that if graha is in debility in

> Navamsha it gives similar results even if it occupies its

exaltation

> sign in Rasi chart and same for its exalted position which

overrules the

> loss of strength by its occupation of rasi of debility in rasi

chart.

>

> So there are many ways that strength of a graha can be assessed.

Sthana

> bala is only one of the way of assessing the strength of a graha

and as

> you indicated there are more than one method to do that.

>

> So, sages have not ignored Kendras and Trikonas in navamsha. But

you can

> not find all the astrological references in a small number of

books. It

> is not for nothing that the sages tel us that there are 100,000

grammars

> ( of Sanskrit) and 400,000 texts of Jyotish. You will also see many

> variation of how to assess strength of grahas in various nadi texts

that

> may not appear in some other texts.

>

> I have already given you the shloka from Brihat jataka indicating

> aspects in Navamsha and Dwadashaamsha and am awaiting you inputs

about

> whether Dashaadhyaayi has something parallel in it. I know that

> Dashaadhyaayi is in no means complete as the commentary is only on

10

> adhayaayas of Brihat jataka whereas the shloka I gave you is from

an

> adhayaaya that appears much later in that text. But I am sure that

a

> great commentator would have certainly commented something about

this

> and would like to know his views.

>

> And by the way I am only a student of astrology and nothing more.

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

>

>

>

> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> >

> > I am sure that,you know,Varga charts are not necessary for finding

> > Shadbalas of a planet.Only their vargas are needed.As there may be

> > many beginners in this list,words from a learned scholar like you

> > may mislead them.Because when we say a chart,they will think of

> > aspects,bhava,drishti etc.

> >

> > As you know for sure,shadbala calculation never considers the

above

> > said in varga arrangements or charts.What i meant was - Kendradi

> > bala is present in Shadbala.But kendra in navamsha or other vargas

> > are not cosnsidred.On the other hand positional strength is

> > considered(mithra rashi/moolatrikona) by looking at Navamshaka

> > rashi.Also Ojayugma balas are considered w.r to Navamshaka rashi.

> >

> > If Navamsha is a chart,why should sage ignore Kendra in such a

very

> > important Chart.My view is it is a very important Varga of a Rashi

> > but not a chart.As you know inspite of myself repeating for

years -

> > No one was prepared(except a few) to listen to the definition

given

> > by Parashara Muni - Vargas are divisions of a 30 degree Rashi and

it

> > is for our natal Lagna and Planets.

> >

> > Respect

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > >

> > > Shadbalas are not seen in Navamsha as they are the strength of

the

> > > grahas in 6 of the divisional charts including the lagna chart.

> > Same is

> > > the case with Saptavargajabala.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Satish ji

> > > >

> > > > I made an attempt to understand ShadBalas.As you are far

learned

> > than

> > > > me,you are aware of

> > > >

> > > > Sthana(Positional)/Dik(Directional)/Kala(Temporal)/Cheshta

> > > > (Motional)/Naisargika(Natural)/Drik(Aspectual) Balas forming

the

> > six

> > > > type of strengths.

> > > >

> > > > Among these Divisionals of a planet is considered only for

Sthana

> > > > Bala.

> > > >

> > > > So let us analyse it in detail.

> > > >

> > > > Sthana or Positional is again subdivided into -

> > > >

> > > > Ucha

> > > > Ucha Bala is calculated only based on Rashi position.If

Navamsha

> > > > Sambandhas are taken then counterproductive results will come

as

> > one

> > > > has to consider Paramocha and Parama neecha positions.This

also

> > > > explains the difference between an exalted planet and a planet

> > > > attaining navamsha in its exaltation rashi.Effects are not the

> > same.

> > > >

> > > > SaptaVargaja

> > > > It is based on a planets Varga sambandha with own/mithra or

subha

> > > > rashis.Varga sambandha with Moolatrikona Rashi gets maximum

> > > > shashtyamsha(45).Exaltation is not considered,supporting the

view

> > > > expressed above.

> > > >

> > > > Ojayugma/Ojayugma Rashyamshaka

> > > > It is based on the sex of planet and Oja/yugma nature of the

> > rashi in

> > > > which it is placed or having navamsha sambandha.No dispute

here.

> > > >

> > > > Kendradi

> > > >

> > > > Strength arising out of placement in Kendra,panaphara,kona etc

> > are

> > > > Kendradi Balas.Here only Kendras etc from LAGNA Rashi

positions

> > are

> > > > considered for strength computation.Not from kendras to Lagna

> > > > Navamsha or Lagna Saptamsha Rashis.On the other hand for

> > > > Ojayugma/SaptaVargaja/Dreshkana etc Varga positions are

> > considered.It

> > > > points to usage of vargas.

> > > >

> > > > LAGNA KENDRA is ''KENDRA'' for Jataka while other Rashis are

> > > > Paraspara kendras working as paraspara karakas for concerned

> > bhavas.

> > > >

> > > > Dreshkana

> > > >

> > > > Here again strengths are considered based on sex of a planet

and

> > > > their placement within 1st ,2nd or 3rd - 10 degree sectors

> > > > (Dreshkanas) WITHIN a RASHI.

> > > >

> > > > Similar to Bhavat/Bhavam one can consider 4th 10th etc from

Lagna

> > > > navamsha in rashichakra.But aspects and placements are to be

> > > > considered based on rashi positions.

> > > > I got more clues from Karakamsha shlokas and will share them.

> > > >

> > > > Kindly correct if the above shadbala computations are wrong.

> > > >

> > > > Respect

> > > > Pardeep

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Satish,

> > > > >

> > > > > It is the Kendra and Kona in Navamsha, so it is with

> > respective to

> > > > > Navamsha lagna, as indicated by Parashara. Yes, Rahu in

Mesha

> > > > navamsha

> > > > > will yet afflict Mars, is my opinion.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > SPK wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekarji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How do you define kendra/kona in navansha. Is it

> > > > > > kendra/kona house in nnavansha OR kendra/kona of rashi

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > About Rahu/ketu,are you saying that if rahu say in

> > > > > > mesh navansha will make mangal weak ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Satish

> > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Satish,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Their placement in Kendra, Trikona, own, friend,

> > > > > > > exaltation navamsha,

> > > > > > > indicate strength and reverse of this indicates

> > > > > > > weakness. Also

> > > > > > > occupation of same navamsha as of the node indicates

> > > > > > > weakness. By

> > > > > > > logical extension occupation of navamsha owned by a

> > > > > > > planet by node also

> > > > > > > indicates its weakness.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SPK wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chadrashekharji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > How do you find the strength of planet in navansha

> > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > What paramater to use ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You can not use all the shadbala strengths in

> > > > > > > navansha

> > > > > > > > or can you ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Staan Bal ( Uchha, neecha, own sign) ..that makes

> > > > > > > > sense

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Retrograde ( planet retro in rashi will be retro

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > navansha as well)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Do you use house placements ( 6-8-12 from lagna

> > > > > > > amsha

> > > > > > > > )

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Can you use dig bala ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________

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Dear Pradeep,

 

It may be a good idea to read Brihat Parashara hora shastra before

deciding that position of grahas in bhavas of navamsha or other Varga

charts are not to be considered.

 

The method I am telling is from a commentary of Late Santanam, on BPHS,

only and not from anywhere else. So it might be a good idea of what

Santanam said.

 

I am not being modest at all. I am really a student of the science. I

feel very small when I see the nadi readers casting charts from names of

relatives and those that are alive on the date of visit to them. The

writers of nadi granthas had real knowledge and the sages who gave us

the principles, that we claim to have understood and apply.

 

Think whether Rasi tulya navamsha zero on to 30 degrees or to 3 degrees

20 minutes again. You are perhaps thinking about navamsha tulya rasis only.

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar ji

>

> Thanks a lot for your mail.

> You are a scholar and myself is nothing more than a beginner.I am

> sticking to rules as explained by sages.I then had tried to see how

> other learned souls for eg Govinda Bhattathiri(1200 ),Late

> Subburao,Late Santhanam etc have interpreted those classical

> rules.Thus i am just trying to understand the basics withy the help

> of classics.

>

> Yourself claiming to be a student,shows your humility and respect is

> always for that.It is also a model.

>

> Yes i did mean shadvarga bala as you had mentioned.Graha placed in

> rashi kendra etc have points in kendradi bala.But their placement in

> navamsha arrangement is not considered.

>

> Also for drekkana bala,based on sex of graha - strength is allotted

> based on position within 1st 2nd or 3rd 10 degree sectors within a

> rashi.

>

> Graha having amshaka in rashis which are kendra to their

> mulatrikona,arudha lagna etc are considered for vimshopaka bala.But

> then you will understand the difference between

> 1)having amshaka in a rashi which is kendra to Arudha Lagna

> 2)having amshaka in a rashi which is kendra to Arudha Lagnamahsa

> Rashi.

>

> When you see varga arrangements it is amsha of Arudha Lagna.I don't

> think sage has mentioned this anywhere.Thus 2 is not correct and 1 is

> the case.

> Tulya Rashis w.r to navamshaka rashi and Rashi are frame of

> references as in bhavat bhavam.Finally they zero into 30 degree

> Rashis.

>

> The rest has already been answered in other mails.

>

> Me too ever prepared to learn.

>

> Respect

> Pradeep

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep,

> >

> > I can understand what you are saying. But if you do not draw or

> write

> > down the Vargas of a chart from what do you take Vargas? Let me

> amplify.

> > If you do not cast dreshkana then where in dreshkana do you find

> trine?

> > Or for that matter navamsha and so on. I think I have already

> indicated

> > that the charts are drawn and certain nomenclature are used to make

> it

> > easier to follow what the sages intended we do.

> >

> > Or is it that you are talking about shadabalas of grahas in rasi

> charts

> > which is a totally different matter. I was equating your shadbala

> to

> > Shadavarga bala as you also talked about Saptavargaja bala in the

> same mail.

> >

> > I think there is some confusion about bala calculations that

> exists.

> > When we talk about shadbala it is about bala in Rasi, Hora,

> Dreshkana,

> > Navamsha, Dwadashaamsha and Trimshaamsha. Here the relative full

> > strength (called Sva Vishwa) is 6, 2, 4, 5, 2 and 1, respectively.

> When

> > we add Saptamsha to shadvarga we get Saptavargas. here the order of

> > strength becomes 5, 2,3, 2 1/2, 4 1/2 2 and 1. These full strength

> is

> > what is called the Vimshopaka bala. If a planet is in own house in

> the

> > relevant Varga the strength (Placement strength in a Varga or

> Varga

> > Vishwa) is 20, in adhimitra (extreme or bosom friend) house it is

> 18, in

> > friend's house it is 15, in house of planet that is sama (equal) it

> is

> > 10, in enemy house it is 7 and in extreme enemy's house it is 5.

> One

> > multiplies the Sva Vishwa with Varga Vishwa and the product is

> divided

> > by 20 to arrive at the Vimshopaka strength of a planet in one

> Varga.

> > Once you do that will all the concerned Vargas, add the vimshopaka

> > strength of the graha in all Vargas and the assessment of strength

> is in

> > increments of 5, where five is inauspicious and between 15 to 20

> points

> > on get very favourable results from the graha.

> >

> > I never said that Kendraadi bala was considered in navamsha for

> > shadbala. But it is considered for assessing the strength of grahas

> > there as advised by Parashara vide Adhyaaya 6 shloka42 to 53 You

> will

> > note that importance in the matter of strength is also given to a

> graha

> > being in rasis that are square to Arudha lagna, in different

> Vargas,

> > besides exaltation, own, Mooltrikona etc, in Varga charts.

> >

> > And then there is the method of assessing strength of graha by

> Navamsha

> > Tulya rasi and rasi tulya navamsha where the graha occupying trines

> or

> > squares in a Varga is assessed as with strength in that Varga and

> its

> > placement in dusthana is considered as taking its strength away in

> that

> > Varga. We also have the rejoinder that if graha is in debility in

> > Navamsha it gives similar results even if it occupies its

> exaltation

> > sign in Rasi chart and same for its exalted position which

> overrules the

> > loss of strength by its occupation of rasi of debility in rasi

> chart.

> >

> > So there are many ways that strength of a graha can be assessed.

> Sthana

> > bala is only one of the way of assessing the strength of a graha

> and as

> > you indicated there are more than one method to do that.

> >

> > So, sages have not ignored Kendras and Trikonas in navamsha. But

> you can

> > not find all the astrological references in a small number of

> books. It

> > is not for nothing that the sages tel us that there are 100,000

> grammars

> > ( of Sanskrit) and 400,000 texts of Jyotish. You will also see many

> > variation of how to assess strength of grahas in various nadi texts

> that

> > may not appear in some other texts.

> >

> > I have already given you the shloka from Brihat jataka indicating

> > aspects in Navamsha and Dwadashaamsha and am awaiting you inputs

> about

> > whether Dashaadhyaayi has something parallel in it. I know that

> > Dashaadhyaayi is in no means complete as the commentary is only on

> 10

> > adhayaayas of Brihat jataka whereas the shloka I gave you is from

> an

> > adhayaaya that appears much later in that text. But I am sure that

> a

> > great commentator would have certainly commented something about

> this

> > and would like to know his views.

> >

> > And by the way I am only a student of astrology and nothing more.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > >

> > > I am sure that,you know,Varga charts are not necessary for finding

> > > Shadbalas of a planet.Only their vargas are needed.As there may be

> > > many beginners in this list,words from a learned scholar like you

> > > may mislead them.Because when we say a chart,they will think of

> > > aspects,bhava,drishti etc.

> > >

> > > As you know for sure,shadbala calculation never considers the

> above

> > > said in varga arrangements or charts.What i meant was - Kendradi

> > > bala is present in Shadbala.But kendra in navamsha or other vargas

> > > are not cosnsidred.On the other hand positional strength is

> > > considered(mithra rashi/moolatrikona) by looking at Navamshaka

> > > rashi.Also Ojayugma balas are considered w.r to Navamshaka rashi.

> > >

> > > If Navamsha is a chart,why should sage ignore Kendra in such a

> very

> > > important Chart.My view is it is a very important Varga of a Rashi

> > > but not a chart.As you know inspite of myself repeating for

> years -

> > > No one was prepared(except a few) to listen to the definition

> given

> > > by Parashara Muni - Vargas are divisions of a 30 degree Rashi and

> it

> > > is for our natal Lagna and Planets.

> > >

> > > Respect

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > Shadbalas are not seen in Navamsha as they are the strength of

> the

> > > > grahas in 6 of the divisional charts including the lagna chart.

> > > Same is

> > > > the case with Saptavargajabala.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Satish ji

> > > > >

> > > > > I made an attempt to understand ShadBalas.As you are far

> learned

> > > than

> > > > > me,you are aware of

> > > > >

> > > > > Sthana(Positional)/Dik(Directional)/Kala(Temporal)/Cheshta

> > > > > (Motional)/Naisargika(Natural)/Drik(Aspectual) Balas forming

> the

> > > six

> > > > > type of strengths.

> > > > >

> > > > > Among these Divisionals of a planet is considered only for

> Sthana

> > > > > Bala.

> > > > >

> > > > > So let us analyse it in detail.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sthana or Positional is again subdivided into -

> > > > >

> > > > > Ucha

> > > > > Ucha Bala is calculated only based on Rashi position.If

> Navamsha

> > > > > Sambandhas are taken then counterproductive results will come

> as

> > > one

> > > > > has to consider Paramocha and Parama neecha positions.This

> also

> > > > > explains the difference between an exalted planet and a planet

> > > > > attaining navamsha in its exaltation rashi.Effects are not the

> > > same.

> > > > >

> > > > > SaptaVargaja

> > > > > It is based on a planets Varga sambandha with own/mithra or

> subha

> > > > > rashis.Varga sambandha with Moolatrikona Rashi gets maximum

> > > > > shashtyamsha(45).Exaltation is not considered,supporting the

> view

> > > > > expressed above.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ojayugma/Ojayugma Rashyamshaka

> > > > > It is based on the sex of planet and Oja/yugma nature of the

> > > rashi in

> > > > > which it is placed or having navamsha sambandha.No dispute

> here.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kendradi

> > > > >

> > > > > Strength arising out of placement in Kendra,panaphara,kona etc

> > > are

> > > > > Kendradi Balas.Here only Kendras etc from LAGNA Rashi

> positions

> > > are

> > > > > considered for strength computation.Not from kendras to Lagna

> > > > > Navamsha or Lagna Saptamsha Rashis.On the other hand for

> > > > > Ojayugma/SaptaVargaja/Dreshkana etc Varga positions are

> > > considered.It

> > > > > points to usage of vargas.

> > > > >

> > > > > LAGNA KENDRA is ''KENDRA'' for Jataka while other Rashis are

> > > > > Paraspara kendras working as paraspara karakas for concerned

> > > bhavas.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dreshkana

> > > > >

> > > > > Here again strengths are considered based on sex of a planet

> and

> > > > > their placement within 1st ,2nd or 3rd - 10 degree sectors

> > > > > (Dreshkanas) WITHIN a RASHI.

> > > > >

> > > > > Similar to Bhavat/Bhavam one can consider 4th 10th etc from

> Lagna

> > > > > navamsha in rashichakra.But aspects and placements are to be

> > > > > considered based on rashi positions.

> > > > > I got more clues from Karakamsha shlokas and will share them.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindly correct if the above shadbala computations are wrong.

> > > > >

> > > > > Respect

> > > > > Pardeep

> > > > >

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Satish,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is the Kendra and Kona in Navamsha, so it is with

> > > respective to

> > > > > > Navamsha lagna, as indicated by Parashara. Yes, Rahu in

> Mesha

> > > > > navamsha

> > > > > > will yet afflict Mars, is my opinion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SPK wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekarji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > How do you define kendra/kona in navansha. Is it

> > > > > > > kendra/kona house in nnavansha OR kendra/kona of rashi

> > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > About Rahu/ketu,are you saying that if rahu say in

> > > > > > > mesh navansha will make mangal weak ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Satish

> > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Satish,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Their placement in Kendra, Trikona, own, friend,

> > > > > > > > exaltation navamsha,

> > > > > > > > indicate strength and reverse of this indicates

> > > > > > > > weakness. Also

> > > > > > > > occupation of same navamsha as of the node indicates

> > > > > > > > weakness. By

> > > > > > > > logical extension occupation of navamsha owned by a

> > > > > > > > planet by node also

> > > > > > > > indicates its weakness.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > SPK wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chadrashekharji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > How do you find the strength of planet in navansha

> > > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > What paramater to use ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You can not use all the shadbala strengths in

> > > > > > > > navansha

> > > > > > > > > or can you ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Staan Bal ( Uchha, neecha, own sign) ..that makes

> > > > > > > > > sense

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Retrograde ( planet retro in rashi will be retro

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > navansha as well)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Do you use house placements ( 6-8-12 from lagna

> > > > > > > > amsha

> > > > > > > > > )

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Can you use dig bala ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ________

> > > > > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals

> > > > > > > to amazing places on Travel.

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Dear Chandrashekhar ji

 

As i had mentioned before,i would go by consistency and logical

stream through out the text and other texts.I have read other texts

like phaladeepika ,Varaha Hora etc -Nowhere Kendra in Navamsha

arrangement is mentioned.

 

Now to Arudha Lagna - it is possiblt to have amshaka in a rashi

which is kendra to Arudha Lagna.

 

Pls note that Late Santhanam had failed to identify and honestly

accepted amshaka of vargas(Lagna Shadvargake).Simalr examples are

demonstrated in the texts ,from which i had quoted Sanskrit shlokas.

 

As you know ,i am an elementary level student and have not even

started with with the basics.I want my basics to be thorough so that

i do not reach a level where the heap of my own mistakes,prevents me

from reverting back -I have to keep on deriving new theories ...on

and on and on.

 

Rashi Tulya and Navamsha Tulya are in essence pointing to the same

12 Rashis.In one case one is seeing the PLACEMENT of grahas in a

rashi w.r to laganamshaka rashi.In the other case one is seeing the

amshaka of garahas w.r to natal Lagna.

 

These principles are only forn making one understand how Vargas of a

Rashi and Planets there in are interrelated w.r to two references -

Lagna and Lagnamsha.

 

Respect

Pradeep

 

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> It may be a good idea to read Brihat Parashara hora shastra before

> deciding that position of grahas in bhavas of navamsha or other

Varga

> charts are not to be considered.

>

> The method I am telling is from a commentary of Late Santanam, on

BPHS,

> only and not from anywhere else. So it might be a good idea of

what

> Santanam said.

>

> I am not being modest at all. I am really a student of the

science. I

> feel very small when I see the nadi readers casting charts from

names of

> relatives and those that are alive on the date of visit to them.

The

> writers of nadi granthas had real knowledge and the sages who gave

us

> the principles, that we claim to have understood and apply.

>

> Think whether Rasi tulya navamsha zero on to 30 degrees or to 3

degrees

> 20 minutes again. You are perhaps thinking about navamsha tulya

rasis only.

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your mail.

> > You are a scholar and myself is nothing more than a beginner.I am

> > sticking to rules as explained by sages.I then had tried to see

how

> > other learned souls for eg Govinda Bhattathiri(1200 ),Late

> > Subburao,Late Santhanam etc have interpreted those classical

> > rules.Thus i am just trying to understand the basics withy the

help

> > of classics.

> >

> > Yourself claiming to be a student,shows your humility and

respect is

> > always for that.It is also a model.

> >

> > Yes i did mean shadvarga bala as you had mentioned.Graha placed

in

> > rashi kendra etc have points in kendradi bala.But their

placement in

> > navamsha arrangement is not considered.

> >

> > Also for drekkana bala,based on sex of graha - strength is

allotted

> > based on position within 1st 2nd or 3rd 10 degree sectors within

a

> > rashi.

> >

> > Graha having amshaka in rashis which are kendra to their

> > mulatrikona,arudha lagna etc are considered for vimshopaka

bala.But

> > then you will understand the difference between

> > 1)having amshaka in a rashi which is kendra to Arudha Lagna

> > 2)having amshaka in a rashi which is kendra to Arudha Lagnamahsa

> > Rashi.

> >

> > When you see varga arrangements it is amsha of Arudha Lagna.I

don't

> > think sage has mentioned this anywhere.Thus 2 is not correct and

1 is

> > the case.

> > Tulya Rashis w.r to navamshaka rashi and Rashi are frame of

> > references as in bhavat bhavam.Finally they zero into 30 degree

> > Rashis.

> >

> > The rest has already been answered in other mails.

> >

> > Me too ever prepared to learn.

> >

> > Respect

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > >

> > > I can understand what you are saying. But if you do not draw or

> > write

> > > down the Vargas of a chart from what do you take Vargas? Let me

> > amplify.

> > > If you do not cast dreshkana then where in dreshkana do you

find

> > trine?

> > > Or for that matter navamsha and so on. I think I have already

> > indicated

> > > that the charts are drawn and certain nomenclature are used to

make

> > it

> > > easier to follow what the sages intended we do.

> > >

> > > Or is it that you are talking about shadabalas of grahas in

rasi

> > charts

> > > which is a totally different matter. I was equating your

shadbala

> > to

> > > Shadavarga bala as you also talked about Saptavargaja bala in

the

> > same mail.

> > >

> > > I think there is some confusion about bala calculations that

> > exists.

> > > When we talk about shadbala it is about bala in Rasi, Hora,

> > Dreshkana,

> > > Navamsha, Dwadashaamsha and Trimshaamsha. Here the relative

full

> > > strength (called Sva Vishwa) is 6, 2, 4, 5, 2 and 1,

respectively.

> > When

> > > we add Saptamsha to shadvarga we get Saptavargas. here the

order of

> > > strength becomes 5, 2,3, 2 1/2, 4 1/2 2 and 1. These full

strength

> > is

> > > what is called the Vimshopaka bala. If a planet is in own

house in

> > the

> > > relevant Varga the strength (Placement strength in a Varga or

> > Varga

> > > Vishwa) is 20, in adhimitra (extreme or bosom friend) house it

is

> > 18, in

> > > friend's house it is 15, in house of planet that is sama

(equal) it

> > is

> > > 10, in enemy house it is 7 and in extreme enemy's house it is

5.

> > One

> > > multiplies the Sva Vishwa with Varga Vishwa and the product is

> > divided

> > > by 20 to arrive at the Vimshopaka strength of a planet in one

> > Varga.

> > > Once you do that will all the concerned Vargas, add the

vimshopaka

> > > strength of the graha in all Vargas and the assessment of

strength

> > is in

> > > increments of 5, where five is inauspicious and between 15 to

20

> > points

> > > on get very favourable results from the graha.

> > >

> > > I never said that Kendraadi bala was considered in navamsha for

> > > shadbala. But it is considered for assessing the strength of

grahas

> > > there as advised by Parashara vide Adhyaaya 6 shloka42 to 53

You

> > will

> > > note that importance in the matter of strength is also given

to a

> > graha

> > > being in rasis that are square to Arudha lagna, in different

> > Vargas,

> > > besides exaltation, own, Mooltrikona etc, in Varga charts.

> > >

> > > And then there is the method of assessing strength of graha by

> > Navamsha

> > > Tulya rasi and rasi tulya navamsha where the graha occupying

trines

> > or

> > > squares in a Varga is assessed as with strength in that Varga

and

> > its

> > > placement in dusthana is considered as taking its strength

away in

> > that

> > > Varga. We also have the rejoinder that if graha is in debility

in

> > > Navamsha it gives similar results even if it occupies its

> > exaltation

> > > sign in Rasi chart and same for its exalted position which

> > overrules the

> > > loss of strength by its occupation of rasi of debility in rasi

> > chart.

> > >

> > > So there are many ways that strength of a graha can be

assessed.

> > Sthana

> > > bala is only one of the way of assessing the strength of a

graha

> > and as

> > > you indicated there are more than one method to do that.

> > >

> > > So, sages have not ignored Kendras and Trikonas in navamsha.

But

> > you can

> > > not find all the astrological references in a small number of

> > books. It

> > > is not for nothing that the sages tel us that there are 100,000

> > grammars

> > > ( of Sanskrit) and 400,000 texts of Jyotish. You will also see

many

> > > variation of how to assess strength of grahas in various nadi

texts

> > that

> > > may not appear in some other texts.

> > >

> > > I have already given you the shloka from Brihat jataka

indicating

> > > aspects in Navamsha and Dwadashaamsha and am awaiting you

inputs

> > about

> > > whether Dashaadhyaayi has something parallel in it. I know that

> > > Dashaadhyaayi is in no means complete as the commentary is

only on

> > 10

> > > adhayaayas of Brihat jataka whereas the shloka I gave you is

from

> > an

> > > adhayaaya that appears much later in that text. But I am sure

that

> > a

> > > great commentator would have certainly commented something

about

> > this

> > > and would like to know his views.

> > >

> > > And by the way I am only a student of astrology and nothing

more.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > > >

> > > > I am sure that,you know,Varga charts are not necessary for

finding

> > > > Shadbalas of a planet.Only their vargas are needed.As there

may be

> > > > many beginners in this list,words from a learned scholar

like you

> > > > may mislead them.Because when we say a chart,they will think

of

> > > > aspects,bhava,drishti etc.

> > > >

> > > > As you know for sure,shadbala calculation never considers the

> > above

> > > > said in varga arrangements or charts.What i meant was -

Kendradi

> > > > bala is present in Shadbala.But kendra in navamsha or other

vargas

> > > > are not cosnsidred.On the other hand positional strength is

> > > > considered(mithra rashi/moolatrikona) by looking at

Navamshaka

> > > > rashi.Also Ojayugma balas are considered w.r to Navamshaka

rashi.

> > > >

> > > > If Navamsha is a chart,why should sage ignore Kendra in such

a

> > very

> > > > important Chart.My view is it is a very important Varga of a

Rashi

> > > > but not a chart.As you know inspite of myself repeating for

> > years -

> > > > No one was prepared(except a few) to listen to the definition

> > given

> > > > by Parashara Muni - Vargas are divisions of a 30 degree

Rashi and

> > it

> > > > is for our natal Lagna and Planets.

> > > >

> > > > Respect

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > >

> > > > > Shadbalas are not seen in Navamsha as they are the

strength of

> > the

> > > > > grahas in 6 of the divisional charts including the lagna

chart.

> > > > Same is

> > > > > the case with Saptavargajabala.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Satish ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I made an attempt to understand ShadBalas.As you are far

> > learned

> > > > than

> > > > > > me,you are aware of

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sthana(Positional)/Dik(Directional)/Kala

(Temporal)/Cheshta

> > > > > > (Motional)/Naisargika(Natural)/Drik(Aspectual) Balas

forming

> > the

> > > > six

> > > > > > type of strengths.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Among these Divisionals of a planet is considered only

for

> > Sthana

> > > > > > Bala.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So let us analyse it in detail.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sthana or Positional is again subdivided into -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ucha

> > > > > > Ucha Bala is calculated only based on Rashi position.If

> > Navamsha

> > > > > > Sambandhas are taken then counterproductive results will

come

> > as

> > > > one

> > > > > > has to consider Paramocha and Parama neecha

positions.This

> > also

> > > > > > explains the difference between an exalted planet and a

planet

> > > > > > attaining navamsha in its exaltation rashi.Effects are

not the

> > > > same.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SaptaVargaja

> > > > > > It is based on a planets Varga sambandha with own/mithra

or

> > subha

> > > > > > rashis.Varga sambandha with Moolatrikona Rashi gets

maximum

> > > > > > shashtyamsha(45).Exaltation is not considered,supporting

the

> > view

> > > > > > expressed above.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ojayugma/Ojayugma Rashyamshaka

> > > > > > It is based on the sex of planet and Oja/yugma nature of

the

> > > > rashi in

> > > > > > which it is placed or having navamsha sambandha.No

dispute

> > here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kendradi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Strength arising out of placement in

Kendra,panaphara,kona etc

> > > > are

> > > > > > Kendradi Balas.Here only Kendras etc from LAGNA Rashi

> > positions

> > > > are

> > > > > > considered for strength computation.Not from kendras to

Lagna

> > > > > > Navamsha or Lagna Saptamsha Rashis.On the other hand for

> > > > > > Ojayugma/SaptaVargaja/Dreshkana etc Varga positions are

> > > > considered.It

> > > > > > points to usage of vargas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > LAGNA KENDRA is ''KENDRA'' for Jataka while other Rashis

are

> > > > > > Paraspara kendras working as paraspara karakas for

concerned

> > > > bhavas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dreshkana

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here again strengths are considered based on sex of a

planet

> > and

> > > > > > their placement within 1st ,2nd or 3rd - 10 degree

sectors

> > > > > > (Dreshkanas) WITHIN a RASHI.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Similar to Bhavat/Bhavam one can consider 4th 10th etc

from

> > Lagna

> > > > > > navamsha in rashichakra.But aspects and placements are

to be

> > > > > > considered based on rashi positions.

> > > > > > I got more clues from Karakamsha shlokas and will share

them.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kindly correct if the above shadbala computations are

wrong.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respect

> > > > > > Pardeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Satish,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is the Kendra and Kona in Navamsha, so it is with

> > > > respective to

> > > > > > > Navamsha lagna, as indicated by Parashara. Yes, Rahu in

> > Mesha

> > > > > > navamsha

> > > > > > > will yet afflict Mars, is my opinion.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SPK wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekarji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > How do you define kendra/kona in navansha. Is it

> > > > > > > > kendra/kona house in nnavansha OR kendra/kona of

rashi

> > > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > About Rahu/ketu,are you saying that if rahu say in

> > > > > > > > mesh navansha will make mangal weak ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Satish

> > > > > > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Satish,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Their placement in Kendra, Trikona, own, friend,

> > > > > > > > > exaltation navamsha,

> > > > > > > > > indicate strength and reverse of this indicates

> > > > > > > > > weakness. Also

> > > > > > > > > occupation of same navamsha as of the node

indicates

> > > > > > > > > weakness. By

> > > > > > > > > logical extension occupation of navamsha owned by a

> > > > > > > > > planet by node also

> > > > > > > > > indicates its weakness.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > SPK wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chadrashekharji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > How do you find the strength of planet in

navansha

> > > > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > > What paramater to use ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You can not use all the shadbala strengths in

> > > > > > > > > navansha

> > > > > > > > > > or can you ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Staan Bal ( Uchha, neecha, own sign) ..that makes

> > > > > > > > > > sense

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Retrograde ( planet retro in rashi will be retro

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > navansha as well)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Do you use house placements ( 6-8-12 from lagna

> > > > > > > > > amsha

> > > > > > > > > > )

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Can you use dig bala ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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Dear Pradeep,

 

I have quoted from classics and if you look at it other way, you can do

so. Everything is possible when interpreting Sanskrit shlokas.

 

Rasi tulya navamsha and Navamsha Tulya rasi have different use and

connotation. But if you think they are identical you must be having some

pramana and can do so.

 

I have tried my best to explain what sages have said in various texts.

But perhaps my efforts fall short.

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> Dear Chandrashekhar ji

>

> As i had mentioned before,i would go by consistency and logical

> stream through out the text and other texts.I have read other texts

> like phaladeepika ,Varaha Hora etc -Nowhere Kendra in Navamsha

> arrangement is mentioned.

>

> Now to Arudha Lagna - it is possiblt to have amshaka in a rashi

> which is kendra to Arudha Lagna.

>

> Pls note that Late Santhanam had failed to identify and honestly

> accepted amshaka of vargas(Lagna Shadvargake).Simalr examples are

> demonstrated in the texts ,from which i had quoted Sanskrit shlokas.

>

> As you know ,i am an elementary level student and have not even

> started with with the basics.I want my basics to be thorough so that

> i do not reach a level where the heap of my own mistakes,prevents me

> from reverting back -I have to keep on deriving new theories ...on

> and on and on.

>

> Rashi Tulya and Navamsha Tulya are in essence pointing to the same

> 12 Rashis.In one case one is seeing the PLACEMENT of grahas in a

> rashi w.r to laganamshaka rashi.In the other case one is seeing the

> amshaka of garahas w.r to natal Lagna.

>

> These principles are only forn making one understand how Vargas of a

> Rashi and Planets there in are interrelated w.r to two references -

> Lagna and Lagnamsha.

>

> Respect

> Pradeep

>

>

> , Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

>> Dear Pradeep,

>>

>> It may be a good idea to read Brihat Parashara hora shastra before

>> deciding that position of grahas in bhavas of navamsha or other

>>

> Varga

>

>> charts are not to be considered.

>>

>> The method I am telling is from a commentary of Late Santanam, on

>>

> BPHS,

>

>> only and not from anywhere else. So it might be a good idea of

>>

> what

>

>> Santanam said.

>>

>> I am not being modest at all. I am really a student of the

>>

> science. I

>

>> feel very small when I see the nadi readers casting charts from

>>

> names of

>

>> relatives and those that are alive on the date of visit to them.

>>

> The

>

>> writers of nadi granthas had real knowledge and the sages who gave

>>

> us

>

>> the principles, that we claim to have understood and apply.

>>

>> Think whether Rasi tulya navamsha zero on to 30 degrees or to 3

>>

> degrees

>

>> 20 minutes again. You are perhaps thinking about navamsha tulya

>>

> rasis only.

>

>> Take care,

>> Chandrashekhar.

>>

>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>>

>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji

>>>

>>> Thanks a lot for your mail.

>>> You are a scholar and myself is nothing more than a beginner.I am

>>> sticking to rules as explained by sages.I then had tried to see

>>>

> how

>

>>> other learned souls for eg Govinda Bhattathiri(1200 ),Late

>>> Subburao,Late Santhanam etc have interpreted those classical

>>> rules.Thus i am just trying to understand the basics withy the

>>>

> help

>

>>> of classics.

>>>

>>> Yourself claiming to be a student,shows your humility and

>>>

> respect is

>

>>> always for that.It is also a model.

>>>

>>> Yes i did mean shadvarga bala as you had mentioned.Graha placed

>>>

> in

>

>>> rashi kendra etc have points in kendradi bala.But their

>>>

> placement in

>

>>> navamsha arrangement is not considered.

>>>

>>> Also for drekkana bala,based on sex of graha - strength is

>>>

> allotted

>

>>> based on position within 1st 2nd or 3rd 10 degree sectors within

>>>

> a

>

>>> rashi.

>>>

>>> Graha having amshaka in rashis which are kendra to their

>>> mulatrikona,arudha lagna etc are considered for vimshopaka

>>>

> bala.But

>

>>> then you will understand the difference between

>>> 1)having amshaka in a rashi which is kendra to Arudha Lagna

>>> 2)having amshaka in a rashi which is kendra to Arudha Lagnamahsa

>>> Rashi.

>>>

>>> When you see varga arrangements it is amsha of Arudha Lagna.I

>>>

> don't

>

>>> think sage has mentioned this anywhere.Thus 2 is not correct and

>>>

> 1 is

>

>>> the case.

>>> Tulya Rashis w.r to navamshaka rashi and Rashi are frame of

>>> references as in bhavat bhavam.Finally they zero into 30 degree

>>> Rashis.

>>>

>>> The rest has already been answered in other mails.

>>>

>>> Me too ever prepared to learn.

>>>

>>> Respect

>>> Pradeep

>>>

>>>

>>> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

>>> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

>>>

>>>> Dear Pradeep,

>>>>

>>>> I can understand what you are saying. But if you do not draw or

>>>>

>>> write

>>>

>>>> down the Vargas of a chart from what do you take Vargas? Let me

>>>>

>>> amplify.

>>>

>>>> If you do not cast dreshkana then where in dreshkana do you

>>>>

> find

>

>>> trine?

>>>

>>>> Or for that matter navamsha and so on. I think I have already

>>>>

>>> indicated

>>>

>>>> that the charts are drawn and certain nomenclature are used to

>>>>

> make

>

>>> it

>>>

>>>> easier to follow what the sages intended we do.

>>>>

>>>> Or is it that you are talking about shadabalas of grahas in

>>>>

> rasi

>

>>> charts

>>>

>>>> which is a totally different matter. I was equating your

>>>>

> shadbala

>

>>> to

>>>

>>>> Shadavarga bala as you also talked about Saptavargaja bala in

>>>>

> the

>

>>> same mail.

>>>

>>>> I think there is some confusion about bala calculations that

>>>>

>>> exists.

>>>

>>>> When we talk about shadbala it is about bala in Rasi, Hora,

>>>>

>>> Dreshkana,

>>>

>>>> Navamsha, Dwadashaamsha and Trimshaamsha. Here the relative

>>>>

> full

>

>>>> strength (called Sva Vishwa) is 6, 2, 4, 5, 2 and 1,

>>>>

> respectively.

>

>>> When

>>>

>>>> we add Saptamsha to shadvarga we get Saptavargas. here the

>>>>

> order of

>

>>>> strength becomes 5, 2,3, 2 1/2, 4 1/2 2 and 1. These full

>>>>

> strength

>

>>> is

>>>

>>>> what is called the Vimshopaka bala. If a planet is in own

>>>>

> house in

>

>>> the

>>>

>>>> relevant Varga the strength (Placement strength in a Varga or

>>>>

>>> Varga

>>>

>>>> Vishwa) is 20, in adhimitra (extreme or bosom friend) house it

>>>>

> is

>

>>> 18, in

>>>

>>>> friend's house it is 15, in house of planet that is sama

>>>>

> (equal) it

>

>>> is

>>>

>>>> 10, in enemy house it is 7 and in extreme enemy's house it is

>>>>

> 5.

>

>>> One

>>>

>>>> multiplies the Sva Vishwa with Varga Vishwa and the product is

>>>>

>>> divided

>>>

>>>> by 20 to arrive at the Vimshopaka strength of a planet in one

>>>>

>>> Varga.

>>>

>>>> Once you do that will all the concerned Vargas, add the

>>>>

> vimshopaka

>

>>>> strength of the graha in all Vargas and the assessment of

>>>>

> strength

>

>>> is in

>>>

>>>> increments of 5, where five is inauspicious and between 15 to

>>>>

> 20

>

>>> points

>>>

>>>> on get very favourable results from the graha.

>>>>

>>>> I never said that Kendraadi bala was considered in navamsha for

>>>> shadbala. But it is considered for assessing the strength of

>>>>

> grahas

>

>>>> there as advised by Parashara vide Adhyaaya 6 shloka42 to 53

>>>>

> You

>

>>> will

>>>

>>>> note that importance in the matter of strength is also given

>>>>

> to a

>

>>> graha

>>>

>>>> being in rasis that are square to Arudha lagna, in different

>>>>

>>> Vargas,

>>>

>>>> besides exaltation, own, Mooltrikona etc, in Varga charts.

>>>>

>>>> And then there is the method of assessing strength of graha by

>>>>

>>> Navamsha

>>>

>>>> Tulya rasi and rasi tulya navamsha where the graha occupying

>>>>

> trines

>

>>> or

>>>

>>>> squares in a Varga is assessed as with strength in that Varga

>>>>

> and

>

>>> its

>>>

>>>> placement in dusthana is considered as taking its strength

>>>>

> away in

>

>>> that

>>>

>>>> Varga. We also have the rejoinder that if graha is in debility

>>>>

> in

>

>>>> Navamsha it gives similar results even if it occupies its

>>>>

>>> exaltation

>>>

>>>> sign in Rasi chart and same for its exalted position which

>>>>

>>> overrules the

>>>

>>>> loss of strength by its occupation of rasi of debility in rasi

>>>>

>>> chart.

>>>

>>>> So there are many ways that strength of a graha can be

>>>>

> assessed.

>

>>> Sthana

>>>

>>>> bala is only one of the way of assessing the strength of a

>>>>

> graha

>

>>> and as

>>>

>>>> you indicated there are more than one method to do that.

>>>>

>>>> So, sages have not ignored Kendras and Trikonas in navamsha.

>>>>

> But

>

>>> you can

>>>

>>>> not find all the astrological references in a small number of

>>>>

>>> books. It

>>>

>>>> is not for nothing that the sages tel us that there are 100,000

>>>>

>>> grammars

>>>

>>>> ( of Sanskrit) and 400,000 texts of Jyotish. You will also see

>>>>

> many

>

>>>> variation of how to assess strength of grahas in various nadi

>>>>

> texts

>

>>> that

>>>

>>>> may not appear in some other texts.

>>>>

>>>> I have already given you the shloka from Brihat jataka

>>>>

> indicating

>

>>>> aspects in Navamsha and Dwadashaamsha and am awaiting you

>>>>

> inputs

>

>>> about

>>>

>>>> whether Dashaadhyaayi has something parallel in it. I know that

>>>> Dashaadhyaayi is in no means complete as the commentary is

>>>>

> only on

>

>>> 10

>>>

>>>> adhayaayas of Brihat jataka whereas the shloka I gave you is

>>>>

> from

>

>>> an

>>>

>>>> adhayaaya that appears much later in that text. But I am sure

>>>>

> that

>

>>> a

>>>

>>>> great commentator would have certainly commented something

>>>>

> about

>

>>> this

>>>

>>>> and would like to know his views.

>>>>

>>>> And by the way I am only a student of astrology and nothing

>>>>

> more.

>

>>>> Take care,

>>>> Chandrashekhar.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji

>>>>>

>>>>> I am sure that,you know,Varga charts are not necessary for

>>>>>

> finding

>

>>>>> Shadbalas of a planet.Only their vargas are needed.As there

>>>>>

> may be

>

>>>>> many beginners in this list,words from a learned scholar

>>>>>

> like you

>

>>>>> may mislead them.Because when we say a chart,they will think

>>>>>

> of

>

>>>>> aspects,bhava,drishti etc.

>>>>>

>>>>> As you know for sure,shadbala calculation never considers the

>>>>>

>>> above

>>>

>>>>> said in varga arrangements or charts.What i meant was -

>>>>>

> Kendradi

>

>>>>> bala is present in Shadbala.But kendra in navamsha or other

>>>>>

> vargas

>

>>>>> are not cosnsidred.On the other hand positional strength is

>>>>> considered(mithra rashi/moolatrikona) by looking at

>>>>>

> Navamshaka

>

>>>>> rashi.Also Ojayugma balas are considered w.r to Navamshaka

>>>>>

> rashi.

>

>>>>> If Navamsha is a chart,why should sage ignore Kendra in such

>>>>>

> a

>

>>> very

>>>

>>>>> important Chart.My view is it is a very important Varga of a

>>>>>

> Rashi

>

>>>>> but not a chart.As you know inspite of myself repeating for

>>>>>

>>> years -

>>>

>>>>> No one was prepared(except a few) to listen to the definition

>>>>>

>>> given

>>>

>>>>> by Parashara Muni - Vargas are divisions of a 30 degree

>>>>>

> Rashi and

>

>>> it

>>>

>>>>> is for our natal Lagna and Planets.

>>>>>

>>>>> Respect

>>>>> Pradeep

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>> <%40>

>>>

>>>>> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

>>>>> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Dear Pradeep,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Shadbalas are not seen in Navamsha as they are the

>>>>>>

> strength of

>

>>> the

>>>

>>>>>> grahas in 6 of the divisional charts including the lagna

>>>>>>

> chart.

>

>>>>> Same is

>>>>>

>>>>>> the case with Saptavargajabala.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Chandrashekhar.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Satish ji

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I made an attempt to understand ShadBalas.As you are far

>>>>>>>

>>> learned

>>>

>>>>> than

>>>>>

>>>>>>> me,you are aware of

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Sthana(Positional)/Dik(Directional)/Kala

>>>>>>>

> (Temporal)/Cheshta

>

>>>>>>> (Motional)/Naisargika(Natural)/Drik(Aspectual) Balas

>>>>>>>

> forming

>

>>> the

>>>

>>>>> six

>>>>>

>>>>>>> type of strengths.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Among these Divisionals of a planet is considered only

>>>>>>>

> for

>

>>> Sthana

>>>

>>>>>>> Bala.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> So let us analyse it in detail.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Sthana or Positional is again subdivided into -

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Ucha

>>>>>>> Ucha Bala is calculated only based on Rashi position.If

>>>>>>>

>>> Navamsha

>>>

>>>>>>> Sambandhas are taken then counterproductive results will

>>>>>>>

> come

>

>>> as

>>>

>>>>> one

>>>>>

>>>>>>> has to consider Paramocha and Parama neecha

>>>>>>>

> positions.This

>

>>> also

>>>

>>>>>>> explains the difference between an exalted planet and a

>>>>>>>

> planet

>

>>>>>>> attaining navamsha in its exaltation rashi.Effects are

>>>>>>>

> not the

>

>>>>> same.

>>>>>

>>>>>>> SaptaVargaja

>>>>>>> It is based on a planets Varga sambandha with own/mithra

>>>>>>>

> or

>

>>> subha

>>>

>>>>>>> rashis.Varga sambandha with Moolatrikona Rashi gets

>>>>>>>

> maximum

>

>>>>>>> shashtyamsha(45).Exaltation is not considered,supporting

>>>>>>>

> the

>

>>> view

>>>

>>>>>>> expressed above.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Ojayugma/Ojayugma Rashyamshaka

>>>>>>> It is based on the sex of planet and Oja/yugma nature of

>>>>>>>

> the

>

>>>>> rashi in

>>>>>

>>>>>>> which it is placed or having navamsha sambandha.No

>>>>>>>

> dispute

>

>>> here.

>>>

>>>>>>> Kendradi

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Strength arising out of placement in

>>>>>>>

> Kendra,panaphara,kona etc

>

>>>>> are

>>>>>

>>>>>>> Kendradi Balas.Here only Kendras etc from LAGNA Rashi

>>>>>>>

>>> positions

>>>

>>>>> are

>>>>>

>>>>>>> considered for strength computation.Not from kendras to

>>>>>>>

> Lagna

>

>>>>>>> Navamsha or Lagna Saptamsha Rashis.On the other hand for

>>>>>>> Ojayugma/SaptaVargaja/Dreshkana etc Varga positions are

>>>>>>>

>>>>> considered.It

>>>>>

>>>>>>> points to usage of vargas.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> LAGNA KENDRA is ''KENDRA'' for Jataka while other Rashis

>>>>>>>

> are

>

>>>>>>> Paraspara kendras working as paraspara karakas for

>>>>>>>

> concerned

>

>>>>> bhavas.

>>>>>

>>>>>>> Dreshkana

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Here again strengths are considered based on sex of a

>>>>>>>

> planet

>

>>> and

>>>

>>>>>>> their placement within 1st ,2nd or 3rd - 10 degree

>>>>>>>

> sectors

>

>>>>>>> (Dreshkanas) WITHIN a RASHI.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Similar to Bhavat/Bhavam one can consider 4th 10th etc

>>>>>>>

> from

>

>>> Lagna

>>>

>>>>>>> navamsha in rashichakra.But aspects and placements are

>>>>>>>

> to be

>

>>>>>>> considered based on rashi positions.

>>>>>>> I got more clues from Karakamsha shlokas and will share

>>>>>>>

> them.

>

>>>>>>> Kindly correct if the above shadbala computations are

>>>>>>>

> wrong.

>

>>>>>>> Respect

>>>>>>> Pardeep

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>> <%40>

>>>

>>>>> <%40>

>>>>>

>>>>>>> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

>>>>>>> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Dear Satish,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> It is the Kendra and Kona in Navamsha, so it is with

>>>>>>>>

>>>>> respective to

>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Navamsha lagna, as indicated by Parashara. Yes, Rahu in

>>>>>>>>

>>> Mesha

>>>

>>>>>>> navamsha

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> will yet afflict Mars, is my opinion.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> SPK wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekarji,

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> How do you define kendra/kona in navansha. Is it

>>>>>>>>> kendra/kona house in nnavansha OR kendra/kona of

>>>>>>>>>

> rashi

>

>>>>>>>>> ?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> About Rahu/ketu,are you saying that if rahu say in

>>>>>>>>> mesh navansha will make mangal weak ?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Thanks

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Satish

>>>>>>>>> --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

>>>>>>>>> <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>>

>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Dear Satish,

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Their placement in Kendra, Trikona, own, friend,

>>>>>>>>>> exaltation navamsha,

>>>>>>>>>> indicate strength and reverse of this indicates

>>>>>>>>>> weakness. Also

>>>>>>>>>> occupation of same navamsha as of the node

>>>>>>>>>>

> indicates

>

>>>>>>>>>> weakness. By

>>>>>>>>>> logical extension occupation of navamsha owned by a

>>>>>>>>>> planet by node also

>>>>>>>>>> indicates its weakness.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Take care,

>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> SPK wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Chadrashekharji,

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> How do you find the strength of planet in

>>>>>>>>>>>

> navansha

>

>>>>>>>>>> ?

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> What paramater to use ?

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> You can not use all the shadbala strengths in

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> navansha

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> or can you ?

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Staan Bal ( Uchha, neecha, own sign) ..that makes

>>>>>>>>>>> sense

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Retrograde ( planet retro in rashi will be retro

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> navansha as well)

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Do you use house placements ( 6-8-12 from lagna

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> amsha

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> )

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Can you use dig bala ?

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

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