Fwd: Chandra Hari Ayanamsa/Is Chitra star related to Ayanamsa?

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Dear François ji,

 

This mail might be of interest to you. It was a debate happened long

time back in vedic astrology forum.

 

P.S: Please pardon me forwarding some mails from other forums. I have

just started just searching for some of my previous mails for forwarding

to Chandrashekhar ji, and found some others too as useful, and relevant

to the context; so this act.

 

Love,

 

Sreenadh

 

 

vedic astrology , sree nadh <sreelid wrote:

 

Dear Anil ji,

Well-debated points bring out some results - though

it may take some time. It is a well-known fact that in

Vedas the word " Nakshethra " is used only in the

meaning stellar division. To refer to the star

(yoga-thara or other), they have used the words like

'thata'. If the Vedic people were so much sure about

the use of words and stellar divisions, how can we

say, " Chithra star was used to locate the starting

point of Aris " ? We should remember that in Vedic

literature Chithra was not at all given any special

significance. For argument sake if we accept that

Chithra was used as the junction star, what is the

clear reason/significance for the use of Chitra as the

root star used for zodiac division? Can you say?

To state again the word " Nakshatra " was used in

Vedas, 'only' to refer to the stellar divisions. If

the stellar divisions were present from the far

ancient Vedic period we should say to everybody,

" Don't under estimate their caliber " .

There is a story about a scientist and the

followers. The scientist stated in his book, " Minerals

flow through blood streams from one location to

another " , which is a true statement in body context.

Later if that scientific/systematic knowledge is lost

- the followers may write a commentary that says - " In

olden days there was blood streams on earth and

minerals used to be transported form one place to

other through those steams " . A learned person of the

next scientific age may neglect this whole statements

altogether - stating 'absurd'. It might be the

situation that occurred in ancient India. All ancient

knowledge is not primitive.

Which Ayanamsa Skanda/Vasishta/Jaimini/Parasara

used? Can it be Lahari ayanamsa? Is there any

reference of Chithra star in that sense in ancient

literature?

The concept of ayanamsa is very ancient. In Brahma

sidhantha you can see the statement " Ayanamsa

predathavya legne cranthou charageme " - See the famous

vyakhya of Muhoortha chinthamani, or the Hora Rathna

of the famous Acharya Balabhadra, you will see

references to the ancient concept of ayanamsa. Ancient

texts should give as a clue – as Ayanamsa issue is

fundamental to the credibility of Vedic astrology.

My arguments may not be bringing out any new lights

on the issue – but Hari's works does.

 

With warm regards,

Sreenadh

 

 

 

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Sun, 21 Aug 2005 22:26:59 +0530

Anil Vsnl gogatea

Re: Re: Chandra Hari Ayanamsa

 

Dear Shreenadhji,

 

We are open to compare Aynamsha proposed by Chadra

Hari with Lahiri

Ayanmsha. All what you have said is being debated for

many years now and

there is no new point addressed by you hence I am not

responding to it.

 

But let me tell you since formation of Ephemery

committee many years

back ( and even before ! ) many astrologers and

ephemery writers have

emphasized upon how Ayanamsha followed by them are

correct but none have

been tested against time so well like Lahiri or Chitra

pakshiya

Ayanamsha.

 

So as I said, let there be proper study done in case

of Chandra hari

Ayanamsha and if it proved that they give better

compliance than Lahiri

Ayanamsha , then we are willing to drop Lahiri

Aynamsha.

 

I would be thankful to you if you pass on the link to

Shree Chandra

hari's hypothesis.

 

Regards,

 

Anil

 

 

Sreenadh

vedic astrology

Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:16 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Chandra Hari Ayanamsa

 

 

Dear Anil,

If any aribittary point in a circle could serve as

the starting

point, what is the importance of ayanamsa itself.

Then you could

choose any ayanamsa as you wish!! and thus come to

any conclusion as

you want!!. Then what would be the difference in

selecting sayana

system and nirayana system? Sayana system then would

have a better

argument as they are taking vernal equinox as the

starting point!!

The basement of Vedic astrology crumbles!!

It can't be the correct approch. 'There should be

one currect

ayanamsa based on some theoretical foundation,

currently we are not

sure which one it is.' - If you say so, i would

agree. Why should we

select chithra as the star to locate the starting

point of Aris? Can

you quote any sloka, which says that chitra star

should be used for

that purpose? If you consider the yoga-tharas

(stars) of stellar

divisions, the only way to make all yoga-tharas with

in there

respective divisions is to take Abhijith as the

starting point of

stellar division. Then why don't Abhijith? It would

be better than

Chithra?!

From which period people started using Chithra

star? Is there any

mention anywhere in ancient astrological texts which

suggests that

they have used chithra star. Ok. Most of us use

Chithrapaksha

ayanamsa of Lahari, and in most of the situations it

gives accrurate

results. (But it laks a mathametical or theoretical

foundation). It

might be that Lahiri's Ayanamsa is very close to

correct value. But

what it is, and why it is, we should find out. Only

ancient

sidhanthic texts could guide us in such a research.

Chandra hari has

done such a research, and take the patience to look

at his results. I

am not saying that you should follow him, but any

person interested

in the truth of astrology can not neglect his

efforts.

 

With warm regards,

Sreenadh

 

vedic astrology , Anil Vsnl

gogatea@v...

wrote:

> Dear Sreenath,

>

> There cannot be a scientific foundation for

Ayanamsha theory as it

basically means from where to start counting the

circle. However when

people started practicing astrology in olden days ,

there was nothing

more obvious than the bold Chitra Star and hence

people started using

Chitra pakshiya Aynamsha which are used by Lahiri.

>

> Also practically it gives best fit to predicted

events.

>

> I hope this clarifies what I wanted to say.

>

> Regards,

>

> Anil Gogate

> -

> sree nadh

> vedic astrology

> Saturday, August 20, 2005 10:10 PM

> [vedic astrology] Chandra Hari Ayanamsa

>

>

> Dear Anilji,

> What Mathametical/Theoretical foundation other

> Ayanamsas have got? People try to defend

> Lahari/Raman/Krishnamoorthi ayanamsa based on

> horoscope results. If we consider events like

> marriage, with enough logic, one could prove any

> ayanamsa right!!! Of course I know that in books

like

> " Narada samhitha " we could find slokas that are

in

> favour of Chithrapaksha Ayanamsa. There we can

find

> slokas in favour of taking a point opposite

chithra as

> the starting point of Aris. But don't forget

that the

> period of this perticular book is debatable, and

also

> that such books are not sidhanthic texts. Hari's

> arguments have a through mathametical foundation

based

> on Old Surya-sidhantha of Mayan (Included in

> pancha-sidhanthika of Varahamihira). I think you

would

> like to consider these points.

> Sreenadh

>

 

> Anil Vsnl gogatea@v...

> Sent:Sat, 20 Aug 2005 07:22:16 +0530

> Re: Chandra Hari Ayanamsha...

> Dear Pradeepji,

>

>

> Lahiri Ayanamsha has been well proven and most

> importantly has been

> tested for a long period of time.

>

> Any new Aynamsha will have to be tried for a

very long

> period and on

> number of cases before we can conclude that it

gives

> better results than

> Lahiri.

>

> However there is no harm in continuing with

research

> and all such cases

> where the new Ayanamsha being researched gives

better

> compliance than

> Lahiri Ayanamsha should be published.

>

> Regards,

>

> Anil

>

> vijayadas_pradeep

> vedic astrology

> Saturday, August 20, 2005 12:33 AM

> [vedic astrology] Chandra Hari

Ayanamsha...

>

>

> Namaste Panditji Anil ji and shri Shanmughraj

>

> Recently i have been fortunate to interact

with a

> scientist and

> scholar named Chandrahari.

> He has his own Ayanamsha.Shri Rath has

discussed his

> ayanamsha while

> comparing Raman/Lahiri/Chandrahari for TagOres

> chart.

> This discussion is present in sjc site.

>

> Shri ChandrahaHari is an astronomy scholar,has

> written books and got

> his papers published in science journals.

>

> I am currently experimenting his ayanamsha and

have

> made some

> interesting observations.

>

> For example in Tagores horoscope,Chandrahari

> ayanamsha gives

> Rahu/Mars

> as period of death-while other ayanamshas give

> Jupiter,that of the

> lagna lord.

> Shri Raghunadha Rao Nemani has been running

> Rahu-Ketu as compared to

> Lahiri(Rahu-Venus).

>

> I am experimenting them on charts with

accurate

> data.I am yet to

> conclude ,but this gentleman is very sure of

what he

> is speaking.He

> has done good research.

> He has clear views regarding the yoga

principles

> underlying astronomy

> and Rashi chakra - As per him it is from Rahu

and

> Shikhi(ketu) ,the

> name Rashi has originated.

>

> His ayanamsha is 24-35'-09'' for 1.01.2000.It

may be

> worth

> experimenting for those who are research

minded.We

> have to experiment

> them over hundreds of charts,before reaching a

> conclusion.

>

> As a surprise for me - In his papers that were

> published long

> back(which i got recently) - he clearly

mentions

> consideration of

> mathematical Bhavas in vargas as against the

very

> fundamentals.

> For dashamsha too he has views similar to

varanasi

> version of BPHS.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

 

 

 

 

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