rg astrology rules : 10 15 pm 11th june2007

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Hallow Sir how r y ir Mr, Jagadish Sir

 

rules are matched after incidents are known

 

if details not known rules are intrepreted in different way

 

millionas born same tob

 

rules of astr9ology are not rigid more particularly for vips once reached top

all positive rules applied for ordinary persons they are described in negative

ways

 

there is no end for this discussion or controversy

 

one man lights bulb by inserting live wire in his throat in tv another rides

heavfyvechicles in chest say karate like that many things are unexplainable only

9 planets and 12 houses to match millions in world

 

th3ere is no uniformity in intrepretyation just like taste and fath of god we

cannot apply rules and give in abstract form electricity we can realise shock

cannot see

 

rich man comkbinationhow far rich million lakhs crore how to explain

 

sick to what extend it goes on with out end

 

atleast we should research people same tob and check their life style almost in

every family some twins are there completely digfferent in life style how to go

about say dwadasamsa 60 th division etc who follows these things i do not know

though soft ware gives these charts of divisions there are bnot much of books

analysed in these divisions notmuch in length

 

al books rules apply with rasi maximyum with navamsa not beyond that

 

this is the only basi area if research satisfies us thedifferentce in life

astrology will have fuerther more appreciation by all

 

 

Sairaman Thank y sir

 

 

Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest wrote:

Dear Sir Sreenadh

 

Greetings

 

Your point number 2.

 

Jupiter in lagna and Mars in 7th house indicates madness.

 

Lord Ram (asuming that his horoscope given in many places with Karka lagna is

true) has exalted Jupiter (with moon) in lagna and exalted mars in 7th house.

Now in his horoscope Moon is also in karka hence two conditions of your rules

are satisfied.

 

 

Moon is in Lagna. Mars is in 7th house. 2nd house is being aspected by mars

because of his special 8th aspect. And if my memory serves me best then

Rahu/Ketu are in 6/12 axis. So 12th house from moon is also having effect of

malific.

 

So here so far, 3 conditions has been satisfied.

 

Now your rule 3, Saturn in lagna and mars in 7th house indicates madness.

 

In Lord Rama Horocope Exalted Saturn in 4th house. It is aspecting Lagna from

his 10th aspect. Mars is already in 7th house. So this condition also got

satisfied.

 

So we got 4 conditions satisfying the rule of madness. Hence it proves that

Lord Rama is a mad or psychologically challenged or insane.

 

So either the horoscope of Lord Rama is not correct or the rules are not

correct.

 

 

Unfortunately i have combination of learning Astrology. But so far i am so

dissatisfied of unapplicability of rules. I am 26 years old. It looks like to me

that it will take me life time experience to understand Astrology.

 

Once i was discussing the blindness in a horoscope. An astrologer gave some

rules like you gave. I applied those rules. The only difference is that i was

counting aspects to satisfy the rules. That astrologer said that aspects cant be

counted for rules given in slokas. But i am surprized that you are using all

kind of aspects and permutation and combination to satisfy the rules. For the

satisfaction of some rules, you also trying to project navmasha on lagna kundli.

 

Please explain if i am wrong somewhere.

 

 

Thanks

 

Jagdish

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

 

Dear Swati,

I am elabrating the same below in detail.

 

Combinations of Madness in this horoscope

=========================================

How many combinations indicating madness (psychic problem) are

present in this horoscope? Let us try to answer this question in the

conventional manner. But before proceeding to the same, I would like

to attract your attention to a sloka bit that is in popular use in

South India that is used while deriving predictions based on combinations.

The slokas that provide results for Drishi is numerous and therefore

it is difficult to remember them all. But the slokas used to derive

results based on Yuti is comparatively less in number, and therefore

easy to remember. But the fact remains that both in Drishi and Yuti of

planets, it is the mixing of significance that occurs. Due to this the

an easy solution to derive results would be to consider the general

advice-

Yuthya drishi phalam vachyam

Drishtrya Yuti phalam tatha

[For Yuti (conjunction) tell the results for Drishti (aspect) also,

and for Drishti (aspect) tell the results for Yuti (conjunction) also]

Application of this sloka makes the derivation of results easier.

Now let us look at the combinations that can cause Unmada (Madness;

psychic problem) as given by Prasnamarga (Ch. 12, sloka 31, 32). In

that sloka 8 combinations are given that can indicate madness.

1) While Ju in Lagna if Sa is in 7th it indicates madness.

2) While Ju in Lagna if Ma is in 7th it indicates madness.

3) While Sa is in Lagna, if Ma is in any of 7-5-9 houses the

combination indicates madness

4) If combust Mo or Me is in Lagna the combination indicates madness.

5) If Weak Mo or Sa in 12th the combination indicates madness.

6) If weak Mo with a malefic is placed in any of the houses 1-8-5-9

then the combination indicates madness

7) If Mandi with a malefic is placed in 7th the combination indicates

madness.

8) If Me is placed in any of the houses 3-6-8-12 the combination

indicates madness.

Apart from there other combinations as well that can indicate madness-

9) If Ju placed in 5th is afflicted by strong malifics the combination

indicates madness.

Presence of more than one of these combination in the natal chart

indicate that the native will become mad in the corresponding

Dasa-Antara indicated by the planet causing madness.

With this knowledge, let us look at the above horoscope and see

whether the horoscope indicates madness.

 

1) Combination – 1: Consider the same from Moon Lagna (Libra).

Ju is in Moon Lagna in Libra satisfying the first condition given for

the above combination. Neither Ma is not in 7th from Libra. But Ma

aspects 7th with its special aspect on 8th. Further a malefic Su is

present in 7th as well. Thus the conditions put forward by the sloka

is met, even though not based on Yuti but partially based on aspect.

This is 2nd yoga indicating Madness in the above horoscope.

2) Combination no –2

In the above horoscope, Ju in not in Lagna but aspect Lagna with its

special aspect on 9th. Thus it is equivalent to Ju in Lagna. Ma is not

present in 7th but Ma aspects 7th with its special aspect on 4th. This

is equivalent to Ma in 7th. Thus the conditions put forward by the

sloka is met, even though not based on Yuti but based on aspect. Thus

this combination indicates madness in the above horoscope.

3) Combination –3

Sa is not in Lagna, but Lagna is aspected by Sa, which can be treated

as equivalent to Sa in Lagna. Thus half of the condition is fulfilled.

Ma is not in 7-5-9. But the navamsa of Ma falls in the 9th house from

Lagna. Thus the combination can be considered as fulfilled. This is

another combination indicating madness in the above horoscope.

4) Combination – 5: Consider this combination from Moon Lagna (Libra)

Weak Sa (Saturn not aspected by Me or Ju, with not much strength due

to placement) is placed in 12th from Moon Lagna. Thus the combination

is fulfilled. Thus it indicates madness.

5) Combination –6

Mo is placed in 5th as required by the sloka. But the Moon is not weak

(having Pakshabala). But note that Moon is held between the strong

malifics Ma-Sa in 12th from Libra, and Ke in 3rd from Libra. Further

the 2nd house from Moon is aspected by Sa in 12th making this

Papamadyasthiti (placed between malifics) condition stronger. Note

that especially for significators (Moon is the significator of mind)

hemmed between malifics is considered as destructive, which is true in

this case. This has got a double impact since Ju (Significator of

intelligence, and significator of 5th house) is also placed with Mo.

Any affliction that may happen to Moon is going to cause double impact

in this situation. Thus it should be considered that the combination

indicated by the sloka as fulfilled. Further note that Ke and Su

navamsa is in Libra, which indicates eclipse of Moon (conjunction of

Ke or Ra with Mo is considered as eclipse making Moon weak). Thus for

sure it indicates madness.

6) Combination – 8

Me is placed in 12th from Lagna. Thus the combination is satisfied,

and it indicates madness.

7) Combination – 8: Consider this combination from Moon Lagna (Libra)

Me is placed in 8th house from Moon Lagna. Thus the combination is

satisfied, and it indicates madness.

8) Combination –9

Ju is placed in 5th – being the significator of 5th and the

significator of intelligence, any affliction to the same can have

double impact, and cause madness. Note that Ju is aspected by a

malefic Su. But more than this the point to be noted is that Ju is

hemmed between two strong malifics Sa-Ma in 12th house from Libra, and

the aspect of Sa in 2nd house from Libra. (Sa aspects Scorpio with

its special aspect on 3rd). Further in the 3rd house from Libra also

we can find only a malefic that is Ke. Note only that Ke and Su

navamsa also falls in Libra, making the affliction strong.

Thus in all, following the combinations for madness given in texts we

could find at least 8 combinations in the horoscope that fulfills the

condition of madness. This is more than enough to prove by " Dwi tri

samvada bhaval " (If 2 or more combinations indicate the same, that

result will actulize for sure) that madness will happen. Out of these

the combinations that attracted my attention most are –

• The placement of afflicted Mo-Ju hemmed between malifics in 5th

(with the sign lord Ve gone to 6th from 5th house and its debilitated

navamsa falling in 12th from 5th)

• Sa-Ma in 4th from Lagna and 12th from Moon sign supporting many

combinations.

That is why I went for Ju Dasa Mo Antra, and Sa Dasa Ma Antra, which

happened to be the probable period of action for these madness

combinations, indicated by the natal chart. Thus the conclusion, no

doubt, the native is a psychopath.

 

Sexual Urge

===========

When a person is mad his strongest inner urges become manifest, which

in chart happen to be sexual urges as indicated by –

• Exalted Ve

• Ve aspected by Ma (Para yuvatu rata: Interested in other's women)

• 7th lord Jupiter's navamsa falling in 7th itself.

• Ve navamsa falling in the same sign as where Ma is placed (Para

yuvatu rata: Interested in other's women)

• From Moon Ve in 6th aspected by Mars (Interest in Prostitution)

Thus the conclusion, this person surely committed those sexual crimes

charged against him, in an insane manner, and is a psychopath. It is

better not to mix up his life success in profession with this negative

trend and weakness in his character.

 

Professional Success

====================

This person is a professional success as indicated by-

• 10th lord in 5th (Kendra-Trikona)

• Exalted Ve in 10th

• 10th lord's navamsa falling in its own house Sagittarius.

• Significator of 10th Saturn and Mars aspecting 10th house

• Significator of 10th Su exalted in 11th house

And so on.

 

Argala

======

Since we were discussing Argala let us have a look at this chart in

that point of view as well. Note that 4th and 5th house have

unobstructed Argala providing positive results for the native for his

success, even though the same might have caused destruction to the

world around him.

• Ma –Sa in 4th cause Argala: Ve in 10th and Su in 11th (8th from 4th)

obstruct this, but the obstruction is not strong enough (not

obstructed by equal number of planets).

• Ju-Mo in 5th cause Argala: In 9th no planet is present to obstruct

this. In 12th (8th from 5th) Me is present, but the obstruction is not

strong enough.

Thus these combinations in 4th and 5th has really helped the native in

attaining success. It is only the imprisonment indicated by Sa that

devoid him of this complete success and put him in jail for long. If

not, uncaught he would have enjoyed the privileges, causing

destruction and loss to many. Also note that the Argala yoga in 10th

house (indicating professional success) caused by Ve is completely

obstructed by Sa-Ma in 4th. Thus his own madness and crimes will put

an end to his own professional success, tells the horoscope.

 

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " healing spaces "

<healingspaces@> wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krsna

> Dear Sreenadhji,

> Please elaborate on why u consider jupiter and moon to be unmada

yoga. i see

> the 5th house of chit and mantrabhva , and jupiter moon as benefic

planets ,

> why would they cause unmada. ?

>

> * Ju retrograde and is in 5th with Mo providing a powerful unmade yoga

> (indicating a psychological patient),

> Nirvanika

> Namah shivaya

>

>

> On 6/9/07, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > BT: 7th May 1982, 10.01 AM, Nagpur, India.

> > Rectified BT: BT: 7th May 1982, 10.02.30 AM, Nagpur, India.

> > Log: 75 E 25 Lat: 29 N 39

> > Ayanamsa: True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari (46 min more than Lahari)

> > Year length used for Dasa calculation: 360 days savanna year

> >

> > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

> >

> > Lagna 25 Ge 30' 30.73 " Puna 2 Ge Ta

> > Sun - AmK 21 Ar 55' 55.04 " Bhar 3 Ar Li

> > Moon - MK 12 Li 24' 46.35 " Swat 2 Li Cp

> > Mars ® - DK 6 Vi 08' 28.66 " UPha 3 Vi Aq

> > Mercury - BK 13 Ta 00' 45.54 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar

> > Jupiter ® - PiK 9 Li 40' 29.98 " Swat 1 Li Sg

> > Venus - PK 8 Pi 36' 59.44 " UBha 2 Pi Vi

> > Saturn ® - AK 22 Vi 31' 11.63 " Hast 4 Vi Cn

> > Rahu - GK 22 Ge 07' 45.94 " Puna 1 Ge Ar

> > Ketu 22 Sg 07' 45.94 " PSha 3 Sg Li

> > Gulika 19 Ta 29' 37.56 " Rohi 3 Ta Ge

> > Kunda 26 Ge 11' 29.36 " Puna 2 Ge Ta

> >

> > Rectification: For 10.02.30 the Kunda Lagna falls on Punarvasu (Lagma

> > sputa star) itself, and therefore, it is assumed that the given birth

> > time is correct.

> > Primary Analysis

> > ================

> > * Ve and Su exalted in natal chart, but both Ve and Su debilitated in

> > Navamsa.

> > * Ju retrograde and is in 5th with Mo providing a powerful unmade yoga

> > (indicating a psychological patient), in Navamsa Ju is in own house.

> > (As per Lahari Ayanamsa Ju is also debilitated in Navamsa)

> > * Lagna lord in 12th and the navamsa of lagna lord is 12th from the

> > sign in which lagna lord is placed (i.e. Lagnadhipa navamsa falls on

> > 11th from lagna)

> > * 4th house afflicted with 2 powerful malifics Ma and Sa, indicating a

> > fallen (immoral) individual.

> > * As indicated by Ju and Mo in 5th and Ve in 10th and Su in 11th, he

> > would be a successful individual in his early years of life, like an

> > over voltage bulb (Ju in 5th – house of intelligence)

> > * As indicated by Ma-Sa in 4th, born in an culturally fallen, immoral

> > poor family, the native attained life success because of his unique

> > abilities and successful profession.

> > * Ve in 10th from Lagna indicates that the native will have income

> > from women and job related to them. Sa aspecting Ve also indicate the

> > same. Navamsa of 10th lord Ju falls in 7th house (ornaments) from

> > Lagna in its own house. Thus the native will have a profession related

> > to cloth, ornaments etc used by women, or a business related to

> > similar things. The native should have attained all kinds of life

> > success such as, money, house, vehicles, and every other possible

> > luxury with in the period of Ju itself due his success in profession

> > during his 20-25 years of age. (Remember that the native is only 25

> > years of age now)

> > * Me in 12th indicates insaneness or madness. Mo – Ju in 5th aspected

> > by Su indicates the same. 6th lord Ma in 4th with Sa also indicate the

> > same. Thus it is a horoscope with multiple combinations that indicate

> > madness or a psychic patient. The results will actualize (psychic

> > problem will occur) in Ju Dasa Mo antara or Sa Dasa Mars Antara (). No

> > doubt the horoscope is that of a psychopath. As per Vimsottari dasa

> > from Moon Aug 2003 – Dec 2004 is Ju-Mo period; As per Vimsottari dasa

> > from Lagna April 2004 – May 2005 is Sa-Ma. Thus period of madness

> > should be April 2004 – Dec 2004 as indicated by both of them. The

> > native's madness should had become uncontrolled and clearly visible to

> > the world in this period.

> > * 8th lord Sa aspecting Lagna, Sa with Ma in 4th, Me in 12th indicate

> > a combination for bondage. The native will suffer prison sentence for

> > long, possibly though out the Saturn period of 19 years.

> > * Even the favoring authorities (as indicated by Su in 11th) can not

> > help in stopping his fate which is sure to put him in prison for long.

> > * Ma-Sa in 4th indicates that the activities of the native would be

> > destructive for the society but beneficial to the worldly success of

> > the native (till the tide changes). He will not repent and the trend

> > will be followed throughout his life.

> > * The Me desa would be no better than the Sa dasa going through tides,

> > turbulences and occasional madness.

> > * The native will again become famous, well known and successful only

> > at the end of his life in Ve dasa. He will follow the same profession

> > and will become well known in the same after the age of 65 years.

> > Remark:

> > =======

> > This is the horoscope of a psychopath, with exceptional intelligence

> > and professional success. He will for sure suffer the long prison

> > sentence for 19 years for sure. His would be a unique life, and he

> > will come back to popularity and professional success again in the

> > late years of his life. All efforts to avoid the jail sentence is

> > futile, remedies will not work, this being a strong result.

> >

> > Note: This being a very interesting horoscope with many unique

> > combinations, I request others to continue the discussion on the same.

> > Let us see what other details we can bring out from the same.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> > --- In

 

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> > Panditji

> > <navagraha@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > The lagna is 26 degrees of Mithuna. Lagna is afflicted by rahu and

> > shani.

> > > Shani, mangal and guru are retrograde. Shukra is exalted and is

> > aspected by

> > > shani, with no controling aspect of guru, this can give strong sex

> > drive. 4

> > > malefics are in kendra. Guru is in tula rashi. Shukra, guru and

ravi are

> > > debilited in navansha.

> > >

> > > The dasha running is guru-rahu. Not many bad influences on chadra to

> > suggest

> > > mental imbalance. Chadra is in rahu nakshatra, thats the only

> > negative I can

> > > say about chandra in rashi. Birth is on poornima so chadra is

strong.

> > >

> > > So, yes there is a strong possibility of elevated sex drive.

Mangal and

> > > shani drishti does not help to moderate shukra.

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > >

> > > On 6/7/07, subba_appa <subba.iyer@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello Learned astrologers:

> > > >

> > > > The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws

are very

> > > > strict and punishments are severe and in some cases the legal

> > processes has

> > > > resulted in a clear miscarriage of justice.

> > > >

> > > > The native was accused of molesting several women, assaulting a

> > couple of

> > > > women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes were

> > supposedly

> > > > committed in 6 months. this means he is a serial molester.

> > > >

> > > > He stood trial and claimed innocence. He was sentenced to 18 years

> > > > imprisonment. This happened in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa

> > (started from

> > > > lagna).

> > > >

> > > > I am the appointed counselor for him and during all my

> > interactions, he

> > > > comes across as a very intelligent and a sensible person, claiming

> > > > innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in his

> > communication and

> > > > interaction, but it is difficult to pin it down to his inherent

> > nature, as

> > > > someone who can be falsely accused and has to spend his time in

> > prison can

> > > > show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer also

finds him

> > > > intelligent, though the psychiatrist in charge of the case has

> > reported

> > > > (based on his tests) that he is a dangerous psychopath and it

> > would be a

> > > > danger to society if he was released.

> > > >

> > > > The native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest court,

> > though the

> > > > lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not be successful in

> > view of

> > > > the psychiatrist opinion.

> > > >

> > > > His chart is interesting. Based on the details available with the

> > > > authorities, the chart (D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation, a Gaja

> > kesari

> > > > yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it shows a good

> > chart.

> > > >

> > > > *Birth details: May 7, 1982, time: 10:01 am, Nagpur, India. *

> > > >

> > > > *Here are the questions from a practical standpoint:*

> > > >

> > > > 1. Is it possible that he could have committed such serious

crimes?

> > > > 2. He believes that he was completely framed, and that his defence

> > > > lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job. Was miscarriage

> > of justice

> > > > possible?

> > > > 3. Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that the

> > appeal

> > > > may be entertained seems slim, given the psychiatrist opinion.

> > > > 4. Are there any remedial measures possible to improve the

state of

> > > > affairs?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > *From an astrological standpoint:*

> > > >

> > > > 1. What aspects in the chart could indicate such deviant sexual

> > > > behavior?

> > > > 2. What aspects in the chart could indicate such a long prison

> > term?

> > > > 3. Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he a victim

> > > > of circumstances? How does that one judge that?

> > > > 4. Is there a way to show that he was sexually abused himself when

> > > > he was a child? How does one see that?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it is a

very

> > > > interesting case, may I request the learned astrologers give a

> > more detailed

> > > > comprehensive response.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

 

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Dear Sairaman ji,

The first point to know is to " Start trusting the rules put forward

in astrological texts (especially the authentic ones) " - without

which we cannot put even a step forward.

 

Otherwise -

...the mind weavers and we reach no where...

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, sairam nat <sairaman53

wrote:

>

>

> Hallow Sir how r y ir Mr, Jagadish Sir

>

> rules are matched after incidents are known

>

> if details not known rules are intrepreted in different way

>

> millionas born same tob

>

> rules of astr9ology are not rigid more particularly for vips once

reached top all positive rules applied for ordinary persons they are

described in negative ways

>

> there is no end for this discussion or controversy

>

> one man lights bulb by inserting live wire in his throat in tv

another rides heavfyvechicles in chest say karate like that many

things are unexplainable only 9 planets and 12 houses to match

millions in world

>

> th3ere is no uniformity in intrepretyation just like taste and fath

of god we cannot apply rules and give in abstract form electricity we

can realise shock cannot see

>

> rich man comkbinationhow far rich million lakhs crore how to explain

>

> sick to what extend it goes on with out end

>

> atleast we should research people same tob and check their life

style almost in every family some twins are there completely

digfferent in life style how to go about say dwadasamsa 60 th

division etc who follows these things i do not know though soft ware

gives these charts of divisions there are bnot much of books analysed

in these divisions notmuch in length

>

> al books rules apply with rasi maximyum with navamsa not beyond that

>

> this is the only basi area if research satisfies us thedifferentce

in life astrology will have fuerther more appreciation by all

>

>

> Sairaman Thank y sir

>

>

> Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest

wrote: Dear Sir Sreenadh

>

> Greetings

>

> Your point number 2.

>

> Jupiter in lagna and Mars in 7th house indicates madness.

>

> Lord Ram (asuming that his horoscope given in many places with

Karka lagna is true) has exalted Jupiter (with moon) in lagna and

exalted mars in 7th house. Now in his horoscope Moon is also in karka

hence two conditions of your rules are satisfied.

>

>

> Moon is in Lagna. Mars is in 7th house. 2nd house is being

aspected by mars because of his special 8th aspect. And if my memory

serves me best then Rahu/Ketu are in 6/12 axis. So 12th house from

moon is also having effect of malific.

>

> So here so far, 3 conditions has been satisfied.

>

> Now your rule 3, Saturn in lagna and mars in 7th house indicates

madness.

>

> In Lord Rama Horocope Exalted Saturn in 4th house. It is

aspecting Lagna from his 10th aspect. Mars is already in 7th house.

So this condition also got satisfied.

>

> So we got 4 conditions satisfying the rule of madness. Hence it

proves that Lord Rama is a mad or psychologically challenged or

insane.

>

> So either the horoscope of Lord Rama is not correct or the rules

are not correct.

>

>

> Unfortunately i have combination of learning Astrology. But so

far i am so dissatisfied of unapplicability of rules. I am 26 years

old. It looks like to me that it will take me life time experience to

understand Astrology.

>

> Once i was discussing the blindness in a horoscope. An

astrologer gave some rules like you gave. I applied those rules. The

only difference is that i was counting aspects to satisfy the rules.

That astrologer said that aspects cant be counted for rules given in

slokas. But i am surprized that you are using all kind of aspects and

permutation and combination to satisfy the rules. For the

satisfaction of some rules, you also trying to project navmasha on

lagna kundli.

>

> Please explain if i am wrong somewhere.

>

>

> Thanks

>

> Jagdish

>

>

>

Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

> --- In

, " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

>

> Dear Swati,

> I am elabrating the same below in detail.

>

> Combinations of Madness in this horoscope

> =========================================

> How many combinations indicating madness (psychic problem) are

> present in this horoscope? Let us try to answer this question in

the

> conventional manner. But before proceeding to the same, I would

like

> to attract your attention to a sloka bit that is in popular use in

> South India that is used while deriving predictions based on

combinations.

> The slokas that provide results for Drishi is numerous and

therefore

> it is difficult to remember them all. But the slokas used to derive

> results based on Yuti is comparatively less in number, and

therefore

> easy to remember. But the fact remains that both in Drishi and

Yuti of

> planets, it is the mixing of significance that occurs. Due to this

the

> an easy solution to derive results would be to consider the general

> advice-

> Yuthya drishi phalam vachyam

> Drishtrya Yuti phalam tatha

> [For Yuti (conjunction) tell the results for Drishti (aspect) also,

> and for Drishti (aspect) tell the results for Yuti (conjunction)

also]

> Application of this sloka makes the derivation of results easier.

> Now let us look at the combinations that can cause Unmada (Madness;

> psychic problem) as given by Prasnamarga (Ch. 12, sloka 31, 32). In

> that sloka 8 combinations are given that can indicate madness.

> 1) While Ju in Lagna if Sa is in 7th it indicates madness.

> 2) While Ju in Lagna if Ma is in 7th it indicates madness.

> 3) While Sa is in Lagna, if Ma is in any of 7-5-9 houses the

> combination indicates madness

> 4) If combust Mo or Me is in Lagna the combination indicates

madness.

> 5) If Weak Mo or Sa in 12th the combination indicates madness.

> 6) If weak Mo with a malefic is placed in any of the houses 1-8-5-9

> then the combination indicates madness

> 7) If Mandi with a malefic is placed in 7th the combination

indicates

> madness.

> 8) If Me is placed in any of the houses 3-6-8-12 the combination

> indicates madness.

> Apart from there other combinations as well that can indicate

madness-

> 9) If Ju placed in 5th is afflicted by strong malifics the

combination

> indicates madness.

> Presence of more than one of these combination in the natal chart

> indicate that the native will become mad in the corresponding

> Dasa-Antara indicated by the planet causing madness.

> With this knowledge, let us look at the above horoscope and see

> whether the horoscope indicates madness.

>

> 1) Combination – 1: Consider the same from Moon Lagna (Libra).

> Ju is in Moon Lagna in Libra satisfying the first condition given

for

> the above combination. Neither Ma is not in 7th from Libra. But Ma

> aspects 7th with its special aspect on 8th. Further a malefic Su is

> present in 7th as well. Thus the conditions put forward by the

sloka

> is met, even though not based on Yuti but partially based on

aspect.

> This is 2nd yoga indicating Madness in the above horoscope.

> 2) Combination no –2

> In the above horoscope, Ju in not in Lagna but aspect Lagna with

its

> special aspect on 9th. Thus it is equivalent to Ju in Lagna. Ma is

not

> present in 7th but Ma aspects 7th with its special aspect on 4th.

This

> is equivalent to Ma in 7th. Thus the conditions put forward by the

> sloka is met, even though not based on Yuti but based on aspect.

Thus

> this combination indicates madness in the above horoscope.

> 3) Combination –3

> Sa is not in Lagna, but Lagna is aspected by Sa, which can be

treated

> as equivalent to Sa in Lagna. Thus half of the condition is

fulfilled.

> Ma is not in 7-5-9. But the navamsa of Ma falls in the 9th house

from

> Lagna. Thus the combination can be considered as fulfilled. This is

> another combination indicating madness in the above horoscope.

> 4) Combination – 5: Consider this combination from Moon Lagna

(Libra)

> Weak Sa (Saturn not aspected by Me or Ju, with not much strength

due

> to placement) is placed in 12th from Moon Lagna. Thus the

combination

> is fulfilled. Thus it indicates madness.

> 5) Combination –6

> Mo is placed in 5th as required by the sloka. But the Moon is not

weak

> (having Pakshabala). But note that Moon is held between the strong

> malifics Ma-Sa in 12th from Libra, and Ke in 3rd from Libra.

Further

> the 2nd house from Moon is aspected by Sa in 12th making this

> Papamadyasthiti (placed between malifics) condition stronger. Note

> that especially for significators (Moon is the significator of

mind)

> hemmed between malifics is considered as destructive, which is

true in

> this case. This has got a double impact since Ju (Significator of

> intelligence, and significator of 5th house) is also placed with

Mo.

> Any affliction that may happen to Moon is going to cause double

impact

> in this situation. Thus it should be considered that the

combination

> indicated by the sloka as fulfilled. Further note that Ke and Su

> navamsa is in Libra, which indicates eclipse of Moon (conjunction

of

> Ke or Ra with Mo is considered as eclipse making Moon weak). Thus

for

> sure it indicates madness.

> 6) Combination – 8

> Me is placed in 12th from Lagna. Thus the combination is satisfied,

> and it indicates madness.

> 7) Combination – 8: Consider this combination from Moon Lagna

(Libra)

> Me is placed in 8th house from Moon Lagna. Thus the combination is

> satisfied, and it indicates madness.

> 8) Combination –9

> Ju is placed in 5th – being the significator of 5th and the

> significator of intelligence, any affliction to the same can have

> double impact, and cause madness. Note that Ju is aspected by a

> malefic Su. But more than this the point to be noted is that Ju is

> hemmed between two strong malifics Sa-Ma in 12th house from Libra,

and

> the aspect of Sa in 2nd house from Libra. (Sa aspects Scorpio with

> its special aspect on 3rd). Further in the 3rd house from Libra

also

> we can find only a malefic that is Ke. Note only that Ke and Su

> navamsa also falls in Libra, making the affliction strong.

> Thus in all, following the combinations for madness given in texts

we

> could find at least 8 combinations in the horoscope that fulfills

the

> condition of madness. This is more than enough to prove by " Dwi tri

> samvada bhaval " (If 2 or more combinations indicate the same, that

> result will actulize for sure) that madness will happen. Out of

these

> the combinations that attracted my attention most are –

> • The placement of afflicted Mo-Ju hemmed between malifics in 5th

> (with the sign lord Ve gone to 6th from 5th house and its

debilitated

> navamsa falling in 12th from 5th)

> • Sa-Ma in 4th from Lagna and 12th from Moon sign supporting many

> combinations.

> That is why I went for Ju Dasa Mo Antra, and Sa Dasa Ma Antra,

which

> happened to be the probable period of action for these madness

> combinations, indicated by the natal chart. Thus the conclusion, no

> doubt, the native is a psychopath.

>

> Sexual Urge

> ===========

> When a person is mad his strongest inner urges become manifest,

which

> in chart happen to be sexual urges as indicated by –

> • Exalted Ve

> • Ve aspected by Ma (Para yuvatu rata: Interested in other's women)

> • 7th lord Jupiter's navamsa falling in 7th itself.

> • Ve navamsa falling in the same sign as where Ma is placed (Para

> yuvatu rata: Interested in other's women)

> • From Moon Ve in 6th aspected by Mars (Interest in Prostitution)

> Thus the conclusion, this person surely committed those sexual

crimes

> charged against him, in an insane manner, and is a psychopath. It

is

> better not to mix up his life success in profession with this

negative

> trend and weakness in his character.

>

> Professional Success

> ====================

> This person is a professional success as indicated by-

> • 10th lord in 5th (Kendra-Trikona)

> • Exalted Ve in 10th

> • 10th lord's navamsa falling in its own house Sagittarius.

> • Significator of 10th Saturn and Mars aspecting 10th house

> • Significator of 10th Su exalted in 11th house

> And so on.

>

> Argala

> ======

> Since we were discussing Argala let us have a look at this chart in

> that point of view as well. Note that 4th and 5th house have

> unobstructed Argala providing positive results for the native for

his

> success, even though the same might have caused destruction to the

> world around him.

> • Ma –Sa in 4th cause Argala: Ve in 10th and Su in 11th (8th from

4th)

> obstruct this, but the obstruction is not strong enough (not

> obstructed by equal number of planets).

> • Ju-Mo in 5th cause Argala: In 9th no planet is present to

obstruct

> this. In 12th (8th from 5th) Me is present, but the obstruction is

not

> strong enough.

> Thus these combinations in 4th and 5th has really helped the

native in

> attaining success. It is only the imprisonment indicated by Sa that

> devoid him of this complete success and put him in jail for long.

If

> not, uncaught he would have enjoyed the privileges, causing

> destruction and loss to many. Also note that the Argala yoga in

10th

> house (indicating professional success) caused by Ve is completely

> obstructed by Sa-Ma in 4th. Thus his own madness and crimes will

put

> an end to his own professional success, tells the horoscope.

>

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " healing spaces "

> <healingspaces@> wrote:

> >

> > Hare Rama Krsna

> > Dear Sreenadhji,

> > Please elaborate on why u consider jupiter and moon to be unmada

> yoga. i see

> > the 5th house of chit and mantrabhva , and jupiter moon as

benefic

> planets ,

> > why would they cause unmada. ?

> >

> > * Ju retrograde and is in 5th with Mo providing a powerful

unmade yoga

> > (indicating a psychological patient),

> > Nirvanika

> > Namah shivaya

> >

> >

> > On 6/9/07, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > BT: 7th May 1982, 10.01 AM, Nagpur, India.

> > > Rectified BT: BT: 7th May 1982, 10.02.30 AM, Nagpur, India.

> > > Log: 75 E 25 Lat: 29 N 39

> > > Ayanamsa: True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari (46 min more than

Lahari)

> > > Year length used for Dasa calculation: 360 days savanna year

> > >

> > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

> > >

> > > Lagna 25 Ge 30' 30.73 " Puna 2 Ge Ta

> > > Sun - AmK 21 Ar 55' 55.04 " Bhar 3 Ar Li

> > > Moon - MK 12 Li 24' 46.35 " Swat 2 Li Cp

> > > Mars ® - DK 6 Vi 08' 28.66 " UPha 3 Vi Aq

> > > Mercury - BK 13 Ta 00' 45.54 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar

> > > Jupiter ® - PiK 9 Li 40' 29.98 " Swat 1 Li Sg

> > > Venus - PK 8 Pi 36' 59.44 " UBha 2 Pi Vi

> > > Saturn ® - AK 22 Vi 31' 11.63 " Hast 4 Vi Cn

> > > Rahu - GK 22 Ge 07' 45.94 " Puna 1 Ge Ar

> > > Ketu 22 Sg 07' 45.94 " PSha 3 Sg Li

> > > Gulika 19 Ta 29' 37.56 " Rohi 3 Ta Ge

> > > Kunda 26 Ge 11' 29.36 " Puna 2 Ge Ta

> > >

> > > Rectification: For 10.02.30 the Kunda Lagna falls on Punarvasu

(Lagma

> > > sputa star) itself, and therefore, it is assumed that the

given birth

> > > time is correct.

> > > Primary Analysis

> > > ================

> > > * Ve and Su exalted in natal chart, but both Ve and Su

debilitated in

> > > Navamsa.

> > > * Ju retrograde and is in 5th with Mo providing a powerful

unmade yoga

> > > (indicating a psychological patient), in Navamsa Ju is in own

house.

> > > (As per Lahari Ayanamsa Ju is also debilitated in Navamsa)

> > > * Lagna lord in 12th and the navamsa of lagna lord is 12th

from the

> > > sign in which lagna lord is placed (i.e. Lagnadhipa navamsa

falls on

> > > 11th from lagna)

> > > * 4th house afflicted with 2 powerful malifics Ma and Sa,

indicating a

> > > fallen (immoral) individual.

> > > * As indicated by Ju and Mo in 5th and Ve in 10th and Su in

11th, he

> > > would be a successful individual in his early years of life,

like an

> > > over voltage bulb (Ju in 5th – house of intelligence)

> > > * As indicated by Ma-Sa in 4th, born in an culturally fallen,

immoral

> > > poor family, the native attained life success because of his

unique

> > > abilities and successful profession.

> > > * Ve in 10th from Lagna indicates that the native will have

income

> > > from women and job related to them. Sa aspecting Ve also

indicate the

> > > same. Navamsa of 10th lord Ju falls in 7th house (ornaments)

from

> > > Lagna in its own house. Thus the native will have a profession

related

> > > to cloth, ornaments etc used by women, or a business related to

> > > similar things. The native should have attained all kinds of

life

> > > success such as, money, house, vehicles, and every other

possible

> > > luxury with in the period of Ju itself due his success in

profession

> > > during his 20-25 years of age. (Remember that the native is

only 25

> > > years of age now)

> > > * Me in 12th indicates insaneness or madness. Mo – Ju in 5th

aspected

> > > by Su indicates the same. 6th lord Ma in 4th with Sa also

indicate the

> > > same. Thus it is a horoscope with multiple combinations that

indicate

> > > madness or a psychic patient. The results will actualize

(psychic

> > > problem will occur) in Ju Dasa Mo antara or Sa Dasa Mars

Antara (). No

> > > doubt the horoscope is that of a psychopath. As per Vimsottari

dasa

> > > from Moon Aug 2003 – Dec 2004 is Ju-Mo period; As per

Vimsottari dasa

> > > from Lagna April 2004 – May 2005 is Sa-Ma. Thus period of

madness

> > > should be April 2004 – Dec 2004 as indicated by both of them.

The

> > > native's madness should had become uncontrolled and clearly

visible to

> > > the world in this period.

> > > * 8th lord Sa aspecting Lagna, Sa with Ma in 4th, Me in 12th

indicate

> > > a combination for bondage. The native will suffer prison

sentence for

> > > long, possibly though out the Saturn period of 19 years.

> > > * Even the favoring authorities (as indicated by Su in 11th)

can not

> > > help in stopping his fate which is sure to put him in prison

for long.

> > > * Ma-Sa in 4th indicates that the activities of the native

would be

> > > destructive for the society but beneficial to the worldly

success of

> > > the native (till the tide changes). He will not repent and the

trend

> > > will be followed throughout his life.

> > > * The Me desa would be no better than the Sa dasa going

through tides,

> > > turbulences and occasional madness.

> > > * The native will again become famous, well known and

successful only

> > > at the end of his life in Ve dasa. He will follow the same

profession

> > > and will become well known in the same after the age of 65

years.

> > > Remark:

> > > =======

> > > This is the horoscope of a psychopath, with exceptional

intelligence

> > > and professional success. He will for sure suffer the long

prison

> > > sentence for 19 years for sure. His would be a unique life,

and he

> > > will come back to popularity and professional success again in

the

> > > late years of his life. All efforts to avoid the jail sentence

is

> > > futile, remedies will not work, this being a strong result.

> > >

> > > Note: This being a very interesting horoscope with many unique

> > > combinations, I request others to continue the discussion on

the same.

> > > Let us see what other details we can bring out from the same.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > > --- In

> <%

40>,

> > > Panditji

> > > <navagraha@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > The lagna is 26 degrees of Mithuna. Lagna is afflicted by

rahu and

> > > shani.

> > > > Shani, mangal and guru are retrograde. Shukra is exalted and

is

> > > aspected by

> > > > shani, with no controling aspect of guru, this can give

strong sex

> > > drive. 4

> > > > malefics are in kendra. Guru is in tula rashi. Shukra, guru

and

> ravi are

> > > > debilited in navansha.

> > > >

> > > > The dasha running is guru-rahu. Not many bad influences on

chadra to

> > > suggest

> > > > mental imbalance. Chadra is in rahu nakshatra, thats the only

> > > negative I can

> > > > say about chandra in rashi. Birth is on poornima so chadra is

> strong.

> > > >

> > > > So, yes there is a strong possibility of elevated sex drive.

> Mangal and

> > > > shani drishti does not help to moderate shukra.

> > > >

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On 6/7/07, subba_appa <subba.iyer@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello Learned astrologers:

> > > > >

> > > > > The native migrated from India to a country, where the laws

> are very

> > > > > strict and punishments are severe and in some cases the

legal

> > > processes has

> > > > > resulted in a clear miscarriage of justice.

> > > > >

> > > > > The native was accused of molesting several women,

assaulting a

> > > couple of

> > > > > women sexually and of a violent rape and all the crimes

were

> > > supposedly

> > > > > committed in 6 months. this means he is a serial molester.

> > > > >

> > > > > He stood trial and claimed innocence. He was sentenced to

18 years

> > > > > imprisonment. This happened in Sa/Ma as per Vimsottari dasa

> > > (started from

> > > > > lagna).

> > > > >

> > > > > I am the appointed counselor for him and during all my

> > > interactions, he

> > > > > comes across as a very intelligent and a sensible person,

claiming

> > > > > innocence. There is definitely some incoherence in his

> > > communication and

> > > > > interaction, but it is difficult to pin it down to his

inherent

> > > nature, as

> > > > > someone who can be falsely accused and has to spend his

time in

> > > prison can

> > > > > show such behavior.The official rehabilitation officer also

> finds him

> > > > > intelligent, though the psychiatrist in charge of the case

has

> > > reported

> > > > > (based on his tests) that he is a dangerous psychopath and

it

> > > would be a

> > > > > danger to society if he was released.

> > > > >

> > > > > The native's mother is keen on an appeal to the highest

court,

> > > though the

> > > > > lawyers have advised her that the appeal may not be

successful in

> > > view of

> > > > > the psychiatrist opinion.

> > > > >

> > > > > His chart is interesting. Based on the details available

with the

> > > > > authorities, the chart (D-1)shows 4 planets in exaltation,

a Gaja

> > > kesari

> > > > > yoga, and except for the 4H being badly afflicted, it

shows a good

> > > chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > *Birth details: May 7, 1982, time: 10:01 am, Nagpur,

India. *

> > > > >

> > > > > *Here are the questions from a practical standpoint:*

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Is it possible that he could have committed such serious

> crimes?

> > > > > 2. He believes that he was completely framed, and that his

defence

> > > > > lawyer (appointed by the State) did a poor job. Was

miscarriage

> > > of justice

> > > > > possible?

> > > > > 3. Is an appeal likely to be successful? The chances that

the

> > > appeal

> > > > > may be entertained seems slim, given the psychiatrist

opinion.

> > > > > 4. Are there any remedial measures possible to improve the

> state of

> > > > > affairs?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > *From an astrological standpoint:*

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. What aspects in the chart could indicate such deviant

sexual

> > > > > behavior?

> > > > > 2. What aspects in the chart could indicate such a long

prison

> > > term?

> > > > > 3. Does he inherently have psychopathic tendency or is he

a victim

> > > > > of circumstances? How does that one judge that?

> > > > > 4. Is there a way to show that he was sexually abused

himself when

> > > > > he was a child? How does one see that?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Given the seriousness of the situation, and given that it

is a

> very

> > > > > interesting case, may I request the learned astrologers

give a

> > > more detailed

> > > > > comprehensive response.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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