Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Chadrashekharji/Pradeep, Karakamsha shlokas in BPHS sate many rules for grahas in various house from karakamsha lagna. The question is where to look for these houses/places. Pradeep is saying it should be moved back to rashi chart. KN Rao mpves it back to rashi, but then again he uses D-charts or D-chakras atleast in the books he has written. Whether he uses them when it comes to prediction I do not know. Has anyone done a study on whether these combinations given for karakamsha actually work in practice. One time I had read that for people who have precipitous fall in profession have rahu in 10th from karakamsha ( or is the term karakamsha lagna ?). Take caes where birth time is acurate, take predictions that are more concrete and not generalities and see whether they pan out. Has anyone done this in the jyotish literature? The only way to resolve this is do a focussed study. May karakamsha is a good point as there is clear mention of effects of certain placements from karakamsha. One of my friends had mentioned to me once that in Jaimini sutras there is a combination given " ..if ketu is in ........ from karakamsha the first conjugal union is in open air " he had seen this in one chart and asked the jatak and the jatak was stunned. Now I do not know whether this was in navansha chart or karakamsha mapped back to rashi. But the point is find a concrete prediction like that which has no generalities and see whether they come true from which chart and then we will know for sure. Afterall the evidence must support the theory. Satish --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > Dear Pradeep, > > I have given the shloka and its interpretation by > Bhattotpala, which is > further commented upon by Sitaram Jha who was the > emeritus professor of > astrology at Kashi Sanskrit Vishwa Vidyaalaya. Now > if you think both of > them do not know Sanskrit grammar of the time of > Varaha Mihira and > Bhattotpala, I am helpless. Of course it is quite > possible that the > opinion of Dashaadhyaayi commentator about the level > of knowledge was > deficient. > > About the reference to places from navamsha > affecting the nature and > fortune of a jataka I could give umpteen shlokas > from Karakamsha > Adhyaaya of BPHS and also Jaimini, but as you have > already decided that > there can not be any relation between any of the > grahas occupying > different Vargas, in a Varga chart, after all that > is what the > drishties, occupation or relative position in Vargas > represent in Varga > charts it may not be a fruitful exercise. > > Take care, > Chandrashekhar. > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > I feel after reading the previous mails I feel we > have a clue on how > > amshas are always read as amshaka rashi > sambsndhas.We also know > > where and how Drishties are seen. > > Now regarding dwadashamsha/Rashi. > > > > ''Yat Proktam Parathi rashi Veekshana Pahalam Tat > dwadashamshe > > smritham''.How Veekshana Phalams(aspectual > results) are mentioned > > for Chandras placement in individual > rashis,results due to aspect > > are the same when chandra is having dwadshamsha in > those Rashis. > > > > 1)CHANDRA is aspected by various planets > > What is the result of this aspect when chandra is > placed in 12 > > rashis What is the result of this aspect when > chandra is having > > dwadashamsha in these 12 rashis. > > > > Aspect is one relationship.Varga is another.Both > are derived and > > evaluated in Rashi chakra,which is a set of 12 > Rashis and their > > Vargas. > > > > Also I do not understand how will a scholar like > Bhatolpala say '' > > aspects of planets in drekkana chart and Hora > chart are mentioned'' > > when the sanskrit shloka does not contain it. > > > > ''Tadgatha -Sthryamshe -Tatpathibhi'' -Chandra is > having some > > Drekkana.Its Pathi (Lord) as well -As per the > shloka Aspect from > > Chandra drekkanadhitpathi is good for > Chandra.Where is Drekkana > > chart and aspect coming.Also aspect from planets > situated in Chandra > > Hora is good. > > > > ''Suhrud Bhavana gairva Veekshitha'' -Aspects from > planets placed in > > the friendly rashis of chandra is also good.This > also proves that > > all are seen from Rashi chakra.I do not see > how,you are saying > > aspects are mentioned in ''such charts'' - when > there is no chart > > mentioned. > > > > Respect > > Pradeep > > > > > > > ------ > > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - > Release 6/4/2007 6:43 PM > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ______________________________\ ____ Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Dear Satish ji After reading the practical demonstration of usage of amsha/amshaka rashi,in classics,i am pretty happy. Rules for Aspects,houses etc are available in classics. Karakamsha and Karakamsha lagna points to 2 kinds of grammatical references - 1)Navamsha of ATMAKARAKA - AK Planet is emphasized 2)Lagna or Rashi on to which this Navamsha is joining -emphasis is on the Rashi. Whenever we take reference Lagna - it points to one full Rashi.Because from any Lagna we can have aspects,bhava etc. Proof - Parashara Muni says Vargas of a Rashi are 1)Lagna2)Hora3) Drekkana etc. Thus it is beyond doubt that Lagna is a 30 degree full sector. Nvamsha lagna analysis points to the Rashi on to Lagna is having Navamsha.Dwadshamsha Lagna is the one to which Lagna is having dwadshamsha.Arudha Lagna is the Rashi in which LagnArudha is falling. Moreover K.N.Raoji has made some important observations on why certain yogas cannot work if they are seen in navamsha arrangements. Ofcourse as you have said Raoji uses D-Charts,though he clearly said in this list that,he arrives at conclusions purely based on Rashi Chakra and other is supportive.He also said one who cannot analyze from rashi chart will never learn astrology.It is as simple as that. When i find time ,i may study the shlokas and point to any objective discrepencies. Others better leanred my hold their views.I am no scholar and can accept mistakes if sufficient Pramana/Tarka are provided. Dshadhyaya Kara has given supportive evidence of great sages like Garga,Shruthakeerthi,Jeeva Sharma etc who are having Horas in their name. If you are asked to prove all these scholars wrong just for a principle - for the proof of which Shri Sanjay Rath and PVR rao had to hunt,and even after hunting PVR Rao could bring only one controversial shloka,(wrongly interpreted)- what would you do? This is exactly my role conflict as a Shishya and concern. Best Regds Pradeep , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Chadrashekharji/Pradeep, > > Karakamsha shlokas in BPHS sate many rules for grahas > in various house from karakamsha lagna. The question > is where to look for these houses/places. Pradeep is > saying it should be moved back to rashi chart. KN Rao > mpves it back to rashi, but then again he uses > D-charts or D-chakras atleast in the books he has > written. Whether he uses them when it comes to > prediction I do not know. Has anyone done a study on > whether these combinations given for karakamsha > actually work in practice. > > One time I had read that for people who have > precipitous fall in profession have rahu in 10th from > karakamsha ( or is the term karakamsha lagna ?). Take > caes where birth time is acurate, take predictions > that are more concrete and not generalities and see > whether they pan out. Has anyone done this in the > jyotish literature? The only way to resolve this is do > a focussed study. May karakamsha is a good point as > there is clear mention of effects of certain > placements from karakamsha. > > One of my friends had mentioned to me once that in > Jaimini sutras there is a combination given " ..if ketu > is in ........ from karakamsha the first conjugal > union is in open air " he had seen this in one chart > and asked the jatak and the jatak was stunned. Now I > do not know whether this was in navansha chart or > karakamsha mapped back to rashi. But the point is find > a concrete prediction like that which has no > generalities and see whether they come true from which > chart and then we will know for sure. Afterall the > evidence must support the theory. > > Satish > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > wrote: > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > I have given the shloka and its interpretation by > > Bhattotpala, which is > > further commented upon by Sitaram Jha who was the > > emeritus professor of > > astrology at Kashi Sanskrit Vishwa Vidyaalaya. Now > > if you think both of > > them do not know Sanskrit grammar of the time of > > Varaha Mihira and > > Bhattotpala, I am helpless. Of course it is quite > > possible that the > > opinion of Dashaadhyaayi commentator about the level > > of knowledge was > > deficient. > > > > About the reference to places from navamsha > > affecting the nature and > > fortune of a jataka I could give umpteen shlokas > > from Karakamsha > > Adhyaaya of BPHS and also Jaimini, but as you have > > already decided that > > there can not be any relation between any of the > > grahas occupying > > different Vargas, in a Varga chart, after all that > > is what the > > drishties, occupation or relative position in Vargas > > represent in Varga > > charts it may not be a fruitful exercise. > > > > Take care, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > I feel after reading the previous mails I feel we > > have a clue on how > > > amshas are always read as amshaka rashi > > sambsndhas.We also know > > > where and how Drishties are seen. > > > Now regarding dwadashamsha/Rashi. > > > > > > ''Yat Proktam Parathi rashi Veekshana Pahalam Tat > > dwadashamshe > > > smritham''.How Veekshana Phalams(aspectual > > results) are mentioned > > > for Chandras placement in individual > > rashis,results due to aspect > > > are the same when chandra is having dwadshamsha in > > those Rashis. > > > > > > 1)CHANDRA is aspected by various planets > > > What is the result of this aspect when chandra is > > placed in 12 > > > rashis What is the result of this aspect when > > chandra is having > > > dwadashamsha in these 12 rashis. > > > > > > Aspect is one relationship.Varga is another.Both > > are derived and > > > evaluated in Rashi chakra,which is a set of 12 > > Rashis and their > > > Vargas. > > > > > > Also I do not understand how will a scholar like > > Bhatolpala say '' > > > aspects of planets in drekkana chart and Hora > > chart are mentioned'' > > > when the sanskrit shloka does not contain it. > > > > > > ''Tadgatha -Sthryamshe -Tatpathibhi'' -Chandra is > > having some > > > Drekkana.Its Pathi (Lord) as well -As per the > > shloka Aspect from > > > Chandra drekkanadhitpathi is good for > > Chandra.Where is Drekkana > > > chart and aspect coming.Also aspect from planets > > situated in Chandra > > > Hora is good. > > > > > > ''Suhrud Bhavana gairva Veekshitha'' -Aspects from > > planets placed in > > > the friendly rashis of chandra is also good.This > > also proves that > > > all are seen from Rashi chakra.I do not see > > how,you are saying > > > aspects are mentioned in ''such charts'' - when > > there is no chart > > > mentioned. > > > > > > Respect > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > - ----- > > > > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > > > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - > > Release 6/4/2007 6:43 PM > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > ___________________ _______________ > Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. > http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Sorry for interrupting but this is what I would do: I would collect several hundred accurately timed charts and perform an analysis of whether specifically chosen significations worked out in relation to using navamsa as a chart, or using navamsa combination with rasi only. this would be the only way to settle the debate. the parameters of the research would need to be kept simple with only one signification used. Personally over the years I have looked a many charts with particular reference to karakamsa. I note the position from karakamsa of certain planets which Parasara will indicate what material a house of the person will be built with---I.e straw, wood, bricks or stone. I look only at the position in navamsa, and use karakamsa as lagna. Generally I have found that this works accurately in predicting what manner of house the person lives in or owns, for example, (and from memory but don't quote me!!!) an exalted planet in fourth from karakamsa can give a house made of bricks. This is a simple enough signification to follow and everyone knows what material their home is made of, and it isn't a personal question which might elicit an embarrassed or furtive answer. I have also found out, using this technique that a 'compound house, ' can also indicate a caravan. Many people in the UK have caravans which they use as holiday homes. Of course I do not have a large enough sample of this informal search over the years, but it certainly is a better way of verifying whether one way or another works, when clearly there is so little in the classics to help decide who is right or wrong in their use of the D charts. Only practice proves perfect. Another technique I have found working with navamsa is the timing of a relationship split which will occur during the dasa of the navamsa dispositor of the eighth Lord, if the eight house in rasi holds a malefic.I haven't read reference in the mails to either of these usages of dispositors in navamsa, and yet I find when applying them in this way I always get a successful prediction. best wishes M - vijayadas_pradeep Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:35 PM Re: Karakamsha Dear Satish ji After reading the practical demonstration of usage of amsha/amshaka rashi,in classics,i am pretty happy. Rules for Aspects,houses etc are available in classics. Karakamsha and Karakamsha lagna points to 2 kinds of grammatical references - 1)Navamsha of ATMAKARAKA - AK Planet is emphasized 2)Lagna or Rashi on to which this Navamsha is joining -emphasis is on the Rashi. Whenever we take reference Lagna - it points to one full Rashi.Because from any Lagna we can have aspects,bhava etc. Proof - Parashara Muni says Vargas of a Rashi are 1)Lagna2)Hora3) Drekkana etc. Thus it is beyond doubt that Lagna is a 30 degree full sector. Nvamsha lagna analysis points to the Rashi on to Lagna is having Navamsha.Dwadshamsha Lagna is the one to which Lagna is having dwadshamsha.Arudha Lagna is the Rashi in which LagnArudha is falling. Moreover K.N.Raoji has made some important observations on why certain yogas cannot work if they are seen in navamsha arrangements. Ofcourse as you have said Raoji uses D-Charts,though he clearly said in this list that,he arrives at conclusions purely based on Rashi Chakra and other is supportive.He also said one who cannot analyze from rashi chart will never learn astrology.It is as simple as that. When i find time ,i may study the shlokas and point to any objective discrepencies. Others better leanred my hold their views.I am no scholar and can accept mistakes if sufficient Pramana/Tarka are provided. Dshadhyaya Kara has given supportive evidence of great sages like Garga,Shruthakeerthi,Jeeva Sharma etc who are having Horas in their name. If you are asked to prove all these scholars wrong just for a principle - for the proof of which Shri Sanjay Rath and PVR rao had to hunt,and even after hunting PVR Rao could bring only one controversial shloka,(wrongly interpreted)- what would you do? This is exactly my role conflict as a Shishya and concern. Best Regds Pradeep , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Chadrashekharji/Pradeep, > > Karakamsha shlokas in BPHS sate many rules for grahas > in various house from karakamsha lagna. The question > is where to look for these houses/places. Pradeep is > saying it should be moved back to rashi chart. KN Rao > mpves it back to rashi, but then again he uses > D-charts or D-chakras atleast in the books he has > written. Whether he uses them when it comes to > prediction I do not know. Has anyone done a study on > whether these combinations given for karakamsha > actually work in practice. > > One time I had read that for people who have > precipitous fall in profession have rahu in 10th from > karakamsha ( or is the term karakamsha lagna ?). Take > caes where birth time is acurate, take predictions > that are more concrete and not generalities and see > whether they pan out. Has anyone done this in the > jyotish literature? The only way to resolve this is do > a focussed study. May karakamsha is a good point as > there is clear mention of effects of certain > placements from karakamsha. > > One of my friends had mentioned to me once that in > Jaimini sutras there is a combination given " ..if ketu > is in ........ from karakamsha the first conjugal > union is in open air " he had seen this in one chart > and asked the jatak and the jatak was stunned. Now I > do not know whether this was in navansha chart or > karakamsha mapped back to rashi. But the point is find > a concrete prediction like that which has no > generalities and see whether they come true from which > chart and then we will know for sure. Afterall the > evidence must support the theory. > > Satish > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > wrote: > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > I have given the shloka and its interpretation by > > Bhattotpala, which is > > further commented upon by Sitaram Jha who was the > > emeritus professor of > > astrology at Kashi Sanskrit Vishwa Vidyaalaya. Now > > if you think both of > > them do not know Sanskrit grammar of the time of > > Varaha Mihira and > > Bhattotpala, I am helpless. Of course it is quite > > possible that the > > opinion of Dashaadhyaayi commentator about the level > > of knowledge was > > deficient. > > > > About the reference to places from navamsha > > affecting the nature and > > fortune of a jataka I could give umpteen shlokas > > from Karakamsha > > Adhyaaya of BPHS and also Jaimini, but as you have > > already decided that > > there can not be any relation between any of the > > grahas occupying > > different Vargas, in a Varga chart, after all that > > is what the > > drishties, occupation or relative position in Vargas > > represent in Varga > > charts it may not be a fruitful exercise. > > > > Take care, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > I feel after reading the previous mails I feel we > > have a clue on how > > > amshas are always read as amshaka rashi > > sambsndhas.We also know > > > where and how Drishties are seen. > > > Now regarding dwadashamsha/Rashi. > > > > > > ''Yat Proktam Parathi rashi Veekshana Pahalam Tat > > dwadashamshe > > > smritham''.How Veekshana Phalams(aspectual > > results) are mentioned > > > for Chandras placement in individual > > rashis,results due to aspect > > > are the same when chandra is having dwadshamsha in > > those Rashis. > > > > > > 1)CHANDRA is aspected by various planets > > > What is the result of this aspect when chandra is > > placed in 12 > > > rashis What is the result of this aspect when > > chandra is having > > > dwadashamsha in these 12 rashis. > > > > > > Aspect is one relationship.Varga is another.Both > > are derived and > > > evaluated in Rashi chakra,which is a set of 12 > > Rashis and their > > > Vargas. > > > > > > Also I do not understand how will a scholar like > > Bhatolpala say '' > > > aspects of planets in drekkana chart and Hora > > chart are mentioned'' > > > when the sanskrit shloka does not contain it. > > > > > > ''Tadgatha -Sthryamshe -Tatpathibhi'' -Chandra is > > having some > > > Drekkana.Its Pathi (Lord) as well -As per the > > shloka Aspect from > > > Chandra drekkanadhitpathi is good for > > Chandra.Where is Drekkana > > > chart and aspect coming.Also aspect from planets > > situated in Chandra > > > Hora is good. > > > > > > ''Suhrud Bhavana gairva Veekshitha'' -Aspects from > > planets placed in > > > the friendly rashis of chandra is also good.This > > also proves that > > > all are seen from Rashi chakra.I do not see > > how,you are saying > > > aspects are mentioned in ''such charts'' - when > > there is no chart > > > mentioned. > > > > > > Respect > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- ----- > > > > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > > > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - > > Release 6/4/2007 6:43 PM > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > ________ _______________ > Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. > http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Dear Satish, If you look at the shlokas carefully, the sage says from karakamsha and not from karakamsha lagna. There are other shlokas that tell to look at certain houses from Swamsha (again not Swaamsha lagna, even if someone tries to create a Swaamsha lagna). I am aware that KNR takes that back to rasi chart. But that is his view. And as you point out , yet he uses D-Charts in his books. My position is always that generally aspects should not be considered in D-Charts unless expressly asked to do so in certain yogas, when one should do that. At other times, rasi aspects may be considered in D-Charts and especially on higher harmonic charts. The D-Charts where graha aspects may be considered are Navamsha, Dwaadashaamsha and Dreshkana charts. I agree with you that there needs to be much research to introduce any new theory other than what is given by the sages as even what they have given we (at least I) have yet to fully understand. Till such time that some concrete research, instead of poetic license with charts where theories are devised to fit events and rectifications are done for similar purpose, is carried out. The hue and cry about accuracy of birth time within milliseconds is more of a face saving devise adopted these days and I do not think it serves any purpose than, as a face saving measure for predictions gone wrong. I would much rather accept have made a wrong prediction and study where I went wrong using the same parameters I used in making the failed prediction instead of using some arcane or secret method to justify my failure. I entirely agree that evidence must support the theory. that is why jyotish is the only shastra where you can even question the propositions of the sages if they do not turn out to fit the facts about a jataka. That is why it is a Pratyaksha shastra and the eyes of Vedas. Chandrashekhar. SPK wrote: > > Chadrashekharji/Pradeep, > > Karakamsha shlokas in BPHS sate many rules for grahas > in various house from karakamsha lagna. The question > is where to look for these houses/places. Pradeep is > saying it should be moved back to rashi chart. KN Rao > mpves it back to rashi, but then again he uses > D-charts or D-chakras atleast in the books he has > written. Whether he uses them when it comes to > prediction I do not know. Has anyone done a study on > whether these combinations given for karakamsha > actually work in practice. > > One time I had read that for people who have > precipitous fall in profession have rahu in 10th from > karakamsha ( or is the term karakamsha lagna ?). Take > caes where birth time is acurate, take predictions > that are more concrete and not generalities and see > whether they pan out. Has anyone done this in the > jyotish literature? The only way to resolve this is do > a focussed study. May karakamsha is a good point as > there is clear mention of effects of certain > placements from karakamsha. > > One of my friends had mentioned to me once that in > Jaimini sutras there is a combination given " ..if ketu > is in ........ from karakamsha the first conjugal > union is in open air " he had seen this in one chart > and asked the jatak and the jatak was stunned. Now I > do not know whether this was in navansha chart or > karakamsha mapped back to rashi. But the point is find > a concrete prediction like that which has no > generalities and see whether they come true from which > chart and then we will know for sure. Afterall the > evidence must support the theory. > > Satish > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> > wrote: > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > I have given the shloka and its interpretation by > > Bhattotpala, which is > > further commented upon by Sitaram Jha who was the > > emeritus professor of > > astrology at Kashi Sanskrit Vishwa Vidyaalaya. Now > > if you think both of > > them do not know Sanskrit grammar of the time of > > Varaha Mihira and > > Bhattotpala, I am helpless. Of course it is quite > > possible that the > > opinion of Dashaadhyaayi commentator about the level > > of knowledge was > > deficient. > > > > About the reference to places from navamsha > > affecting the nature and > > fortune of a jataka I could give umpteen shlokas > > from Karakamsha > > Adhyaaya of BPHS and also Jaimini, but as you have > > already decided that > > there can not be any relation between any of the > > grahas occupying > > different Vargas, in a Varga chart, after all that > > is what the > > drishties, occupation or relative position in Vargas > > represent in Varga > > charts it may not be a fruitful exercise. > > > > Take care, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > I feel after reading the previous mails I feel we > > have a clue on how > > > amshas are always read as amshaka rashi > > sambsndhas.We also know > > > where and how Drishties are seen. > > > Now regarding dwadashamsha/Rashi. > > > > > > ''Yat Proktam Parathi rashi Veekshana Pahalam Tat > > dwadashamshe > > > smritham''.How Veekshana Phalams(aspectual > > results) are mentioned > > > for Chandras placement in individual > > rashis,results due to aspect > > > are the same when chandra is having dwadshamsha in > > those Rashis. > > > > > > 1)CHANDRA is aspected by various planets > > > What is the result of this aspect when chandra is > > placed in 12 > > > rashis What is the result of this aspect when > > chandra is having > > > dwadashamsha in these 12 rashis. > > > > > > Aspect is one relationship.Varga is another.Both > > are derived and > > > evaluated in Rashi chakra,which is a set of 12 > > Rashis and their > > > Vargas. > > > > > > Also I do not understand how will a scholar like > > Bhatolpala say '' > > > aspects of planets in drekkana chart and Hora > > chart are mentioned'' > > > when the sanskrit shloka does not contain it. > > > > > > ''Tadgatha -Sthryamshe -Tatpathibhi'' -Chandra is > > having some > > > Drekkana.Its Pathi (Lord) as well -As per the > > shloka Aspect from > > > Chandra drekkanadhitpathi is good for > > Chandra.Where is Drekkana > > > chart and aspect coming.Also aspect from planets > > situated in Chandra > > > Hora is good. > > > > > > ''Suhrud Bhavana gairva Veekshitha'' -Aspects from > > planets placed in > > > the friendly rashis of chandra is also good.This > > also proves that > > > all are seen from Rashi chakra.I do not see > > how,you are saying > > > aspects are mentioned in ''such charts'' - when > > there is no chart > > > mentioned. > > > > > > Respect > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > > > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - > > Release 6/4/2007 6:43 PM > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > ________ > Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: > mail, news, photos & more. > http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC > <http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC> > > > ------ > > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release 6/11/2007 5:10 PM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Sorry for the last post from me. I sent it on 12th June, and really don't understand why it only appeared today!!! And I thought snail mail was unreliable! Anyone else had their e mail intercepted like this? - Marg Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:57 PM Re: Re: Karakamsha Recent Activity a.. 7New Members Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Y! Messenger Send pics quick Share photos while you IM friends. Mail Get it all! With the all-new Mail Beta . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Yes Ms M I noticed 5 mails mailed between 12th to 18th june being delivered today. All these mails got berthed at the right places though. It could be a problem with mail. K C Dwivedi Marg <margie9 wrote: Sorry for the last post from me. I sent it on 12th June, and really don't understand why it only appeared today!!! And I thought snail mail was unreliable! Anyone else had their e mail intercepted like this? - Marg Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:57 PM Re: Re: Karakamsha Recent Activity a.. 7New Members Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Y! Messenger Send pics quick Share photos while you IM friends. Mail Get it all! With the all-new Mail Beta .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Thanks for the feedback. I had other mails lost not sent to though, during this time, so wonder if it is more than just a problem. - Krishna Chandra Dwivedi Friday, June 22, 2007 1:45 PM Re: Re: Karakamsha Yes Ms M I noticed 5 mails mailed between 12th to 18th june being delivered today. All these mails got berthed at the right places though. It could be a problem with mail. K C Dwivedi Marg <margie9 wrote: Sorry for the last post from me. I sent it on 12th June, and really don't understand why it only appeared today!!! And I thought snail mail was unreliable! Anyone else had their e mail intercepted like this? - Marg Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:57 PM Re: Re: Karakamsha Recent Activity a.. 7New Members Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Y! Messenger Send pics quick Share photos while you IM friends. Mail Get it all! With the all-new Mail Beta . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 Dear Ms Margaret The main point is your observations can be right but not as powerful as placements. Basically you can see 2 things w.r to Karakamsha Rashi -Even if you say you are seeing only in navamsha the rashi remains the same. 1)Placements in the 4th from Karakamsha Rashi 2)Amsha in the 4th from Karakamsha Rashi.You are speaking about this and missing point 1. You can see both only if you consider from Rashi chakra.But aspects should not be considered from amsha positions. If you see sutra 52,53 example it should be clear on amshas too being considered,apart from placements.But as you see only few ones are amshas and rest are all placements. Shri Finn Wandahl claims to have found good succes,using placements.So has K.N.Raoji,the proposer. Now it is a biased view from your part to say that there i very little in the classics to decide on D-Charts.There is no where any mention on D-Charts ,but Vargas are used extensively. Kind Regds Pradeep , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > Sorry for interrupting but this is what I would do: > I would collect several hundred accurately timed charts and perform an analysis of whether specifically chosen significations worked out in relation to using navamsa as a chart, or using navamsa combination with rasi only. > this would be the only way to settle the debate. the parameters of the research would need to be kept simple with only one signification used. > > Personally over the years I have looked a many charts with particular reference to karakamsa. I note the position from karakamsa of certain planets which Parasara will indicate what material a house of the person will be built with---I.e straw, wood, bricks or stone. I look only at the position in navamsa, and use karakamsa as lagna. Generally I have found that this works accurately in predicting what manner of house the person lives in or owns, for example, (and from memory but don't quote me!!!) an exalted planet in fourth from karakamsa can give a house made of bricks. This is a simple enough signification to follow and everyone knows what material their home is made of, and it isn't a personal question which might elicit an embarrassed or furtive answer. > > I have also found out, using this technique that a 'compound house, ' can also indicate a caravan. Many people in the UK have caravans which they use as holiday homes. Of course I do not have a large enough sample of this informal search over the years, but it certainly is a better way of verifying whether one way or another works, when clearly there is so little in the classics to help decide who is right or wrong in their use of the D charts. Only practice proves perfect. > > Another technique I have found working with navamsa is the timing of a relationship split which will occur during the dasa of the navamsa dispositor of the eighth Lord, if the eight house in rasi holds a malefic.I haven't read reference in the mails to either of these usages of dispositors in navamsa, and yet I find when applying them in this way I always get a successful prediction. > best wishes > M > > > - > vijayadas_pradeep > > Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:35 PM > Re: Karakamsha > > > Dear Satish ji > > After reading the practical demonstration of usage of amsha/amshaka > rashi,in classics,i am pretty happy. > > Rules for Aspects,houses etc are available in classics. > > Karakamsha and Karakamsha lagna points to 2 kinds of grammatical > references - > > 1)Navamsha of ATMAKARAKA - AK Planet is emphasized > 2)Lagna or Rashi on to which this Navamsha is joining -emphasis is > on the Rashi. > > Whenever we take reference Lagna - it points to one full > Rashi.Because from any Lagna we can have aspects,bhava etc. > > Proof - Parashara Muni says Vargas of a Rashi are 1)Lagna2)Hora3) > Drekkana etc. Thus it is beyond doubt that Lagna is a 30 degree full > sector. > Nvamsha lagna analysis points to the Rashi on to Lagna is having > Navamsha.Dwadshamsha Lagna is the one to which Lagna is having > dwadshamsha.Arudha Lagna is the Rashi in which LagnArudha is falling. > > Moreover K.N.Raoji has made some important observations on why > certain yogas cannot work if they are seen in navamsha arrangements. > > Ofcourse as you have said Raoji uses D-Charts,though he clearly said > in this list that,he arrives at conclusions purely based on Rashi > Chakra and other is supportive.He also said one who cannot analyze > from rashi chart will never learn astrology.It is as simple as that. > > When i find time ,i may study the shlokas and point to any objective > discrepencies. > > Others better leanred my hold their views.I am no scholar and can > accept mistakes if sufficient Pramana/Tarka are provided. > > Dshadhyaya Kara has given supportive evidence of great sages like > Garga,Shruthakeerthi,Jeeva Sharma etc who are having Horas in their > name. > > If you are asked to prove all these scholars wrong just for a > principle - for the proof of which Shri Sanjay Rath and PVR rao had > to hunt,and even after hunting PVR Rao could bring only one > controversial shloka,(wrongly interpreted)- what would you do? > > This is exactly my role conflict as a Shishya and concern. > > Best Regds > Pradeep > > , SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > Chadrashekharji/Pradeep, > > > > Karakamsha shlokas in BPHS sate many rules for grahas > > in various house from karakamsha lagna. The question > > is where to look for these houses/places. Pradeep is > > saying it should be moved back to rashi chart. KN Rao > > mpves it back to rashi, but then again he uses > > D-charts or D-chakras atleast in the books he has > > written. Whether he uses them when it comes to > > prediction I do not know. Has anyone done a study on > > whether these combinations given for karakamsha > > actually work in practice. > > > > One time I had read that for people who have > > precipitous fall in profession have rahu in 10th from > > karakamsha ( or is the term karakamsha lagna ?). Take > > caes where birth time is acurate, take predictions > > that are more concrete and not generalities and see > > whether they pan out. Has anyone done this in the > > jyotish literature? The only way to resolve this is do > > a focussed study. May karakamsha is a good point as > > there is clear mention of effects of certain > > placements from karakamsha. > > > > One of my friends had mentioned to me once that in > > Jaimini sutras there is a combination given " ..if ketu > > is in ........ from karakamsha the first conjugal > > union is in open air " he had seen this in one chart > > and asked the jatak and the jatak was stunned. Now I > > do not know whether this was in navansha chart or > > karakamsha mapped back to rashi. But the point is find > > a concrete prediction like that which has no > > generalities and see whether they come true from which > > chart and then we will know for sure. Afterall the > > evidence must support the theory. > > > > Satish > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@> > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > I have given the shloka and its interpretation by > > > Bhattotpala, which is > > > further commented upon by Sitaram Jha who was the > > > emeritus professor of > > > astrology at Kashi Sanskrit Vishwa Vidyaalaya. Now > > > if you think both of > > > them do not know Sanskrit grammar of the time of > > > Varaha Mihira and > > > Bhattotpala, I am helpless. Of course it is quite > > > possible that the > > > opinion of Dashaadhyaayi commentator about the level > > > of knowledge was > > > deficient. > > > > > > About the reference to places from navamsha > > > affecting the nature and > > > fortune of a jataka I could give umpteen shlokas > > > from Karakamsha > > > Adhyaaya of BPHS and also Jaimini, but as you have > > > already decided that > > > there can not be any relation between any of the > > > grahas occupying > > > different Vargas, in a Varga chart, after all that > > > is what the > > > drishties, occupation or relative position in Vargas > > > represent in Varga > > > charts it may not be a fruitful exercise. > > > > > > Take care, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > I feel after reading the previous mails I feel we > > > have a clue on how > > > > amshas are always read as amshaka rashi > > > sambsndhas.We also know > > > > where and how Drishties are seen. > > > > Now regarding dwadashamsha/Rashi. > > > > > > > > ''Yat Proktam Parathi rashi Veekshana Pahalam Tat > > > dwadashamshe > > > > smritham''.How Veekshana Phalams(aspectual > > > results) are mentioned > > > > for Chandras placement in individual > > > rashis,results due to aspect > > > > are the same when chandra is having dwadshamsha in > > > those Rashis. > > > > > > > > 1)CHANDRA is aspected by various planets > > > > What is the result of this aspect when chandra is > > > placed in 12 > > > > rashis What is the result of this aspect when > > > chandra is having > > > > dwadashamsha in these 12 rashis. > > > > > > > > Aspect is one relationship.Varga is another.Both > > > are derived and > > > > evaluated in Rashi chakra,which is a set of 12 > > > Rashis and their > > > > Vargas. > > > > > > > > Also I do not understand how will a scholar like > > > Bhatolpala say '' > > > > aspects of planets in drekkana chart and Hora > > > chart are mentioned'' > > > > when the sanskrit shloka does not contain it. > > > > > > > > ''Tadgatha -Sthryamshe -Tatpathibhi'' -Chandra is > > > having some > > > > Drekkana.Its Pathi (Lord) as well -As per the > > > shloka Aspect from > > > > Chandra drekkanadhitpathi is good for > > > Chandra.Where is Drekkana > > > > chart and aspect coming.Also aspect from planets > > > situated in Chandra > > > > Hora is good. > > > > > > > > ''Suhrud Bhavana gairva Veekshitha'' -Aspects from > > > planets placed in > > > > the friendly rashis of chandra is also good.This > > > also proves that > > > > all are seen from Rashi chakra.I do not see > > > how,you are saying > > > > aspects are mentioned in ''such charts'' - when > > > there is no chart > > > > mentioned. > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > ----- > > > > > > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - > > > Release 6/4/2007 6:43 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > _______________ > > Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your > pocket: mail, news, photos & more. > > http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 Dear Pradeep, Yes, e mail is a difficult form of communication. I am trying not to get drawn into this debate though I am reading the maturely reasoned contributions. I didn't say I use aspects within navamsa or other amsas, though I do note planetary placements as you define them. I don't really understand what you are trying to convey in the last paragraph, or how you interpret any 'bias,' but it may be I didn't clearly convey my own meaning originally I shall rest my response here for time, clarity and brevity's sake best wishes m - vijayadas_pradeep Friday, June 22, 2007 11:16 PM Re: Karakamsha Dear Ms Margaret The main point is your observations can be right but not as powerful as placements. Basically you can see 2 things w.r to Karakamsha Rashi -Even if you say you are seeing only in navamsha the rashi remains the same. 1)Placements in the 4th from Karakamsha Rashi 2)Amsha in the 4th from Karakamsha Rashi.You are speaking about this and missing point 1. You can see both only if you consider from Rashi chakra.But aspects should not be considered from amsha positions. If you see sutra 52,53 example it should be clear on amshas too being considered,apart from placements.But as you see only few ones are amshas and rest are all placements. Shri Finn Wandahl claims to have found good succes,using placements.So has K.N.Raoji,the proposer. Now it is a biased view from your part to say that there i very little in the classics to decide on D-Charts.There is no where any mention on D-Charts ,but Vargas are used extensively. Kind Regds Pradeep , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > Sorry for interrupting but this is what I would do: > I would collect several hundred accurately timed charts and perform an analysis of whether specifically chosen significations worked out in relation to using navamsa as a chart, or using navamsa combination with rasi only. > this would be the only way to settle the debate. the parameters of the research would need to be kept simple with only one signification used. > > Personally over the years I have looked a many charts with particular reference to karakamsa. I note the position from karakamsa of certain planets which Parasara will indicate what material a house of the person will be built with---I.e straw, wood, bricks or stone. I look only at the position in navamsa, and use karakamsa as lagna. Generally I have found that this works accurately in predicting what manner of house the person lives in or owns, for example, (and from memory but don't quote me!!!) an exalted planet in fourth from karakamsa can give a house made of bricks. This is a simple enough signification to follow and everyone knows what material their home is made of, and it isn't a personal question which might elicit an embarrassed or furtive answer. > > I have also found out, using this technique that a 'compound house, ' can also indicate a caravan. Many people in the UK have caravans which they use as holiday homes. Of course I do not have a large enough sample of this informal search over the years, but it certainly is a better way of verifying whether one way or another works, when clearly there is so little in the classics to help decide who is right or wrong in their use of the D charts. Only practice proves perfect. > > Another technique I have found working with navamsa is the timing of a relationship split which will occur during the dasa of the navamsa dispositor of the eighth Lord, if the eight house in rasi holds a malefic.I haven't read reference in the mails to either of these usages of dispositors in navamsa, and yet I find when applying them in this way I always get a successful prediction. > best wishes > M > > > - > vijayadas_pradeep > > Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:35 PM > Re: Karakamsha > > > Dear Satish ji > > After reading the practical demonstration of usage of amsha/amshaka > rashi,in classics,i am pretty happy. > > Rules for Aspects,houses etc are available in classics. > > Karakamsha and Karakamsha lagna points to 2 kinds of grammatical > references - > > 1)Navamsha of ATMAKARAKA - AK Planet is emphasized > 2)Lagna or Rashi on to which this Navamsha is joining -emphasis is > on the Rashi. > > Whenever we take reference Lagna - it points to one full > Rashi.Because from any Lagna we can have aspects,bhava etc. > > Proof - Parashara Muni says Vargas of a Rashi are 1)Lagna2)Hora3) > Drekkana etc. Thus it is beyond doubt that Lagna is a 30 degree full > sector. > Nvamsha lagna analysis points to the Rashi on to Lagna is having > Navamsha.Dwadshamsha Lagna is the one to which Lagna is having > dwadshamsha.Arudha Lagna is the Rashi in which LagnArudha is falling. > > Moreover K.N.Raoji has made some important observations on why > certain yogas cannot work if they are seen in navamsha arrangements. > > Ofcourse as you have said Raoji uses D-Charts,though he clearly said > in this list that,he arrives at conclusions purely based on Rashi > Chakra and other is supportive.He also said one who cannot analyze > from rashi chart will never learn astrology.It is as simple as that. > > When i find time ,i may study the shlokas and point to any objective > discrepencies. > > Others better leanred my hold their views.I am no scholar and can > accept mistakes if sufficient Pramana/Tarka are provided. > > Dshadhyaya Kara has given supportive evidence of great sages like > Garga,Shruthakeerthi,Jeeva Sharma etc who are having Horas in their > name. > > If you are asked to prove all these scholars wrong just for a > principle - for the proof of which Shri Sanjay Rath and PVR rao had > to hunt,and even after hunting PVR Rao could bring only one > controversial shloka,(wrongly interpreted)- what would you do? > > This is exactly my role conflict as a Shishya and concern. > > Best Regds > Pradeep > > , SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > Chadrashekharji/Pradeep, > > > > Karakamsha shlokas in BPHS sate many rules for grahas > > in various house from karakamsha lagna. The question > > is where to look for these houses/places. Pradeep is > > saying it should be moved back to rashi chart. KN Rao > > mpves it back to rashi, but then again he uses > > D-charts or D-chakras atleast in the books he has > > written. Whether he uses them when it comes to > > prediction I do not know. Has anyone done a study on > > whether these combinations given for karakamsha > > actually work in practice. > > > > One time I had read that for people who have > > precipitous fall in profession have rahu in 10th from > > karakamsha ( or is the term karakamsha lagna ?). Take > > caes where birth time is acurate, take predictions > > that are more concrete and not generalities and see > > whether they pan out. Has anyone done this in the > > jyotish literature? The only way to resolve this is do > > a focussed study. May karakamsha is a good point as > > there is clear mention of effects of certain > > placements from karakamsha. > > > > One of my friends had mentioned to me once that in > > Jaimini sutras there is a combination given " ..if ketu > > is in ........ from karakamsha the first conjugal > > union is in open air " he had seen this in one chart > > and asked the jatak and the jatak was stunned. Now I > > do not know whether this was in navansha chart or > > karakamsha mapped back to rashi. But the point is find > > a concrete prediction like that which has no > > generalities and see whether they come true from which > > chart and then we will know for sure. Afterall the > > evidence must support the theory. > > > > Satish > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@> > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > I have given the shloka and its interpretation by > > > Bhattotpala, which is > > > further commented upon by Sitaram Jha who was the > > > emeritus professor of > > > astrology at Kashi Sanskrit Vishwa Vidyaalaya. Now > > > if you think both of > > > them do not know Sanskrit grammar of the time of > > > Varaha Mihira and > > > Bhattotpala, I am helpless. Of course it is quite > > > possible that the > > > opinion of Dashaadhyaayi commentator about the level > > > of knowledge was > > > deficient. > > > > > > About the reference to places from navamsha > > > affecting the nature and > > > fortune of a jataka I could give umpteen shlokas > > > from Karakamsha > > > Adhyaaya of BPHS and also Jaimini, but as you have > > > already decided that > > > there can not be any relation between any of the > > > grahas occupying > > > different Vargas, in a Varga chart, after all that > > > is what the > > > drishties, occupation or relative position in Vargas > > > represent in Varga > > > charts it may not be a fruitful exercise. > > > > > > Take care, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > I feel after reading the previous mails I feel we > > > have a clue on how > > > > amshas are always read as amshaka rashi > > > sambsndhas.We also know > > > > where and how Drishties are seen. > > > > Now regarding dwadashamsha/Rashi. > > > > > > > > ''Yat Proktam Parathi rashi Veekshana Pahalam Tat > > > dwadashamshe > > > > smritham''.How Veekshana Phalams(aspectual > > > results) are mentioned > > > > for Chandras placement in individual > > > rashis,results due to aspect > > > > are the same when chandra is having dwadshamsha in > > > those Rashis. > > > > > > > > 1)CHANDRA is aspected by various planets > > > > What is the result of this aspect when chandra is > > > placed in 12 > > > > rashis What is the result of this aspect when > > > chandra is having > > > > dwadashamsha in these 12 rashis. > > > > > > > > Aspect is one relationship.Varga is another.Both > > > are derived and > > > > evaluated in Rashi chakra,which is a set of 12 > > > Rashis and their > > > > Vargas. > > > > > > > > Also I do not understand how will a scholar like > > > Bhatolpala say '' > > > > aspects of planets in drekkana chart and Hora > > > chart are mentioned'' > > > > when the sanskrit shloka does not contain it. > > > > > > > > ''Tadgatha -Sthryamshe -Tatpathibhi'' -Chandra is > > > having some > > > > Drekkana.Its Pathi (Lord) as well -As per the > > > shloka Aspect from > > > > Chandra drekkanadhitpathi is good for > > > Chandra.Where is Drekkana > > > > chart and aspect coming.Also aspect from planets > > > situated in Chandra > > > > Hora is good. > > > > > > > > ''Suhrud Bhavana gairva Veekshitha'' -Aspects from > > > planets placed in > > > > the friendly rashis of chandra is also good.This > > > also proves that > > > > all are seen from Rashi chakra.I do not see > > > how,you are saying > > > > aspects are mentioned in ''such charts'' - when > > > there is no chart > > > > mentioned. > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > ----- > > > > > > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - > > > Release 6/4/2007 6:43 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > _______________ > > Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your > pocket: mail, news, photos & more. > > http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Dear Ms Margaret I feel the word bias was improper.Kindly ignore it. Yes,if one is not violating basic rules and can link amshas and rashis,navamshas are very useful. Best Regds Pradeep , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > Dear Pradeep, > Yes, e mail is a difficult form of communication. > I am trying not to get drawn into this debate though I am reading the maturely reasoned contributions. > I didn't say I use aspects within navamsa or other amsas, though I do note planetary placements as you define them. > I don't really understand what you are trying to convey in the last paragraph, or how you interpret any 'bias,' but it may be I didn't clearly convey my own meaning originally > I shall rest my response here for time, clarity and brevity's sake > best wishes > m > > - > vijayadas_pradeep > > Friday, June 22, 2007 11:16 PM > Re: Karakamsha > > > Dear Ms Margaret > > The main point is your observations can be right but not as powerful > as placements. > Basically you can see 2 things w.r to Karakamsha Rashi -Even if you > say you are seeing only in navamsha the rashi remains the same. > > 1)Placements in the 4th from Karakamsha Rashi > > 2)Amsha in the 4th from Karakamsha Rashi.You are speaking about this > and missing point 1. > > You can see both only if you consider from Rashi chakra.But aspects > should not be considered from amsha positions. > > If you see sutra 52,53 example it should be clear on amshas too being > considered,apart from placements.But as you see only few ones are > amshas and rest are all placements. > > Shri Finn Wandahl claims to have found good succes,using > placements.So has K.N.Raoji,the proposer. > > Now it is a biased view from your part to say that there i very > little in the classics to decide on D-Charts.There is no where any > mention on D-Charts ,but Vargas are used extensively. > > Kind Regds > Pradeep > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > Sorry for interrupting but this is what I would do: > > I would collect several hundred accurately timed charts and perform > an analysis of whether specifically chosen significations worked out > in relation to using navamsa as a chart, or using navamsa combination > with rasi only. > > this would be the only way to settle the debate. the parameters of > the research would need to be kept simple with only one signification > used. > > > > Personally over the years I have looked a many charts with > particular reference to karakamsa. I note the position from karakamsa > of certain planets which Parasara will indicate what material a house > of the person will be built with---I.e straw, wood, bricks or stone. > I look only at the position in navamsa, and use karakamsa as lagna. > Generally I have found that this works accurately in predicting what > manner of house the person lives in or owns, for example, (and from > memory but don't quote me!!!) an exalted planet in fourth from > karakamsa can give a house made of bricks. This is a simple enough > signification to follow and everyone knows what material their home > is made of, and it isn't a personal question which might elicit an > embarrassed or furtive answer. > > > > I have also found out, using this technique that a 'compound > house, ' can also indicate a caravan. Many people in the UK have > caravans which they use as holiday homes. Of course I do not have a > large enough sample of this informal search over the years, but it > certainly is a better way of verifying whether one way or another > works, when clearly there is so little in the classics to help decide > who is right or wrong in their use of the D charts. Only practice > proves perfect. > > > > Another technique I have found working with navamsa is the timing > of a relationship split which will occur during the dasa of the > navamsa dispositor of the eighth Lord, if the eight house in rasi > holds a malefic.I haven't read reference in the mails to either of > these usages of dispositors in navamsa, and yet I find when applying > them in this way I always get a successful prediction. > > best wishes > > M > > > > > > - > > vijayadas_pradeep > > > > Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:35 PM > > Re: Karakamsha > > > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > After reading the practical demonstration of usage of > amsha/amshaka > > rashi,in classics,i am pretty happy. > > > > Rules for Aspects,houses etc are available in classics. > > > > Karakamsha and Karakamsha lagna points to 2 kinds of grammatical > > references - > > > > 1)Navamsha of ATMAKARAKA - AK Planet is emphasized > > 2)Lagna or Rashi on to which this Navamsha is joining -emphasis > is > > on the Rashi. > > > > Whenever we take reference Lagna - it points to one full > > Rashi.Because from any Lagna we can have aspects,bhava etc. > > > > Proof - Parashara Muni says Vargas of a Rashi are 1)Lagna2) Hora3) > > Drekkana etc. Thus it is beyond doubt that Lagna is a 30 degree > full > > sector. > > Nvamsha lagna analysis points to the Rashi on to Lagna is having > > Navamsha.Dwadshamsha Lagna is the one to which Lagna is having > > dwadshamsha.Arudha Lagna is the Rashi in which LagnArudha is > falling. > > > > Moreover K.N.Raoji has made some important observations on why > > certain yogas cannot work if they are seen in navamsha > arrangements. > > > > Ofcourse as you have said Raoji uses D-Charts,though he clearly > said > > in this list that,he arrives at conclusions purely based on Rashi > > Chakra and other is supportive.He also said one who cannot > analyze > > from rashi chart will never learn astrology.It is as simple as > that. > > > > When i find time ,i may study the shlokas and point to any > objective > > discrepencies. > > > > Others better leanred my hold their views.I am no scholar and can > > accept mistakes if sufficient Pramana/Tarka are provided. > > > > Dshadhyaya Kara has given supportive evidence of great sages like > > Garga,Shruthakeerthi,Jeeva Sharma etc who are having Horas in > their > > name. > > > > If you are asked to prove all these scholars wrong just for a > > principle - for the proof of which Shri Sanjay Rath and PVR rao > had > > to hunt,and even after hunting PVR Rao could bring only one > > controversial shloka,(wrongly interpreted)- what would you do? > > > > This is exactly my role conflict as a Shishya and concern. > > > > Best Regds > > Pradeep > > > > , SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Chadrashekharji/Pradeep, > > > > > > Karakamsha shlokas in BPHS sate many rules for grahas > > > in various house from karakamsha lagna. The question > > > is where to look for these houses/places. Pradeep is > > > saying it should be moved back to rashi chart. KN Rao > > > mpves it back to rashi, but then again he uses > > > D-charts or D-chakras atleast in the books he has > > > written. Whether he uses them when it comes to > > > prediction I do not know. Has anyone done a study on > > > whether these combinations given for karakamsha > > > actually work in practice. > > > > > > One time I had read that for people who have > > > precipitous fall in profession have rahu in 10th from > > > karakamsha ( or is the term karakamsha lagna ?). Take > > > caes where birth time is acurate, take predictions > > > that are more concrete and not generalities and see > > > whether they pan out. Has anyone done this in the > > > jyotish literature? The only way to resolve this is do > > > a focussed study. May karakamsha is a good point as > > > there is clear mention of effects of certain > > > placements from karakamsha. > > > > > > One of my friends had mentioned to me once that in > > > Jaimini sutras there is a combination given " ..if ketu > > > is in ........ from karakamsha the first conjugal > > > union is in open air " he had seen this in one chart > > > and asked the jatak and the jatak was stunned. Now I > > > do not know whether this was in navansha chart or > > > karakamsha mapped back to rashi. But the point is find > > > a concrete prediction like that which has no > > > generalities and see whether they come true from which > > > chart and then we will know for sure. Afterall the > > > evidence must support the theory. > > > > > > Satish > > > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > I have given the shloka and its interpretation by > > > > Bhattotpala, which is > > > > further commented upon by Sitaram Jha who was the > > > > emeritus professor of > > > > astrology at Kashi Sanskrit Vishwa Vidyaalaya. Now > > > > if you think both of > > > > them do not know Sanskrit grammar of the time of > > > > Varaha Mihira and > > > > Bhattotpala, I am helpless. Of course it is quite > > > > possible that the > > > > opinion of Dashaadhyaayi commentator about the level > > > > of knowledge was > > > > deficient. > > > > > > > > About the reference to places from navamsha > > > > affecting the nature and > > > > fortune of a jataka I could give umpteen shlokas > > > > from Karakamsha > > > > Adhyaaya of BPHS and also Jaimini, but as you have > > > > already decided that > > > > there can not be any relation between any of the > > > > grahas occupying > > > > different Vargas, in a Varga chart, after all that > > > > is what the > > > > drishties, occupation or relative position in Vargas > > > > represent in Varga > > > > charts it may not be a fruitful exercise. > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > > > I feel after reading the previous mails I feel we > > > > have a clue on how > > > > > amshas are always read as amshaka rashi > > > > sambsndhas.We also know > > > > > where and how Drishties are seen. > > > > > Now regarding dwadashamsha/Rashi. > > > > > > > > > > ''Yat Proktam Parathi rashi Veekshana Pahalam Tat > > > > dwadashamshe > > > > > smritham''.How Veekshana Phalams(aspectual > > > > results) are mentioned > > > > > for Chandras placement in individual > > > > rashis,results due to aspect > > > > > are the same when chandra is having dwadshamsha in > > > > those Rashis. > > > > > > > > > > 1)CHANDRA is aspected by various planets > > > > > What is the result of this aspect when chandra is > > > > placed in 12 > > > > > rashis What is the result of this aspect when > > > > chandra is having > > > > > dwadashamsha in these 12 rashis. > > > > > > > > > > Aspect is one relationship.Varga is another.Both > > > > are derived and > > > > > evaluated in Rashi chakra,which is a set of 12 > > > > Rashis and their > > > > > Vargas. > > > > > > > > > > Also I do not understand how will a scholar like > > > > Bhatolpala say '' > > > > > aspects of planets in drekkana chart and Hora > > > > chart are mentioned'' > > > > > when the sanskrit shloka does not contain it. > > > > > > > > > > ''Tadgatha -Sthryamshe -Tatpathibhi'' -Chandra is > > > > having some > > > > > Drekkana.Its Pathi (Lord) as well -As per the > > > > shloka Aspect from > > > > > Chandra drekkanadhitpathi is good for > > > > Chandra.Where is Drekkana > > > > > chart and aspect coming.Also aspect from planets > > > > situated in Chandra > > > > > Hora is good. > > > > > > > > > > ''Suhrud Bhavana gairva Veekshitha'' -Aspects from > > > > planets placed in > > > > > the friendly rashis of chandra is also good.This > > > > also proves that > > > > > all are seen from Rashi chakra.I do not see > > > > how,you are saying > > > > > aspects are mentioned in ''such charts'' - when > > > > there is no chart > > > > > mentioned. > > > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - > > > > Release 6/4/2007 6:43 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > _______________ > > > Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your > > pocket: mail, news, photos & more. > > > http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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