Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Dear Chandrashekhar ji I will be interested to know how Shri Rath has interpreted this shloka.Also i would like to see your view. Do you think technically this is possible if it is in navamsha(can all shadvargas fall there) SU. 52.-Tatra bhrigwongaraka varge paradarikaha. If the 9th from Karakamsa falls in one of the shadvargas of Sukra and Kuja, he will be fond of others' wives. Respect Pradeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Dear Pradeep, He says " Venus or Mars owning the second from swamsha produces passion and illicit relationship " Where is the question of all shadvargas here? I have not seen that interpretation by others whose commentaries on Jaimini sutras, I also possess. It is the 2nd house (Sanjay) or 9th (Some other commentators) to the Swamsha. The next navamsha has to be ruled by either Venus or Mars and there are 4 such navamshas. Some commentators say that it is enough if the second from swamsha happens to be any of the shadvargas. To me that is strange translation as Swamsha necessarily occurs in Navamsha. But then the logic of those commentators may be that amsha can indicate any one of the divisions of any of the 6 D charts. I would not think that is right, specially as in Hora chart that could never occur. Chandrashekhar. vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > I will be interested to know how Shri Rath has interpreted this > shloka.Also i would like to see your view. > > Do you think technically this is possible if it is in navamsha(can all > shadvargas fall there) > > SU. 52.-Tatra bhrigwongaraka varge paradarikaha. If the 9th from > Karakamsa falls in one of the shadvargas of Sukra and Kuja, he will be > fond of others' wives. > > Respect > Pradeep > > > ------ > > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release 6/11/2007 5:10 PM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Dear Chandrashekhar ji Thanks for the explanation. As you say,we should not see shlokas in isolation.Seeing the stream,preceding,succeeding is necessary. In the given case why is sage mentioning ''Varge'' if it is understood as an amsha arrangement.For eg in none of the preceding shlokas we have that usage.Tatra Ravou etc. I dont know about 2 or 9th -anyways it is not our major concern. Two possibilities.1)Mars and Kuja having Varga is mentioned.2)Varga owned by Kuja is mentioned.I will go for 1.By having a certain rashi results cnnot be predicted.Then individuals with lagna as papa rashis should all be treated as bad.In a papa rashi ifsome some graha is placed or having amsha results can be predicted. Venus and Mars having amsha there is being mentioned.Shri Raths translation is very strange.Pls see shri Suryanaain raos translation in this case. As karakamsha is found from navamsha,we may say this Varga is navamsha. Now there is an inconsistency.Sutras will be short.Why did sage give superflous info.Why did Sage say Varga,if it is clearly known.It clearly means the previous ones are graha placements from karakamsha rashi.And this one points to amsha in the 2nd from such a rashi. If some one wants to say sage is talking about shadvargas - Then again reference is karakamsha rashi as shadvargas can be seen only w.r to rashi.I prefer with first translation. Now the most important shloka -Su-80-Paparkshe mande shudradevatha. Sage is talking about Karakamasha falling in papa Riksha(Rashi) and Saturns placement there.Rashi isclearly mentioned. Now why is Sage mentioning Paprkshe or Rashi specifically will be the question in mind.For all other cases he was mentioning placement of planets in karakamsha Rashi.Thus he could say Tatra Ravou etc without specyfying Rashi, as it is understood.In this case he has no other way as a malefic Rashi can only be expressed with help of word Riksha or Rashi. Chandrashekhar ji kindly give your views. I would request shri Narasimha Rao etc to clarify their position.Shri K.N.Raojis views are being proved true through these shlokas. Respect Pradeep , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Pradeep, > > He says " Venus or Mars owning the second from swamsha produces passion > and illicit relationship " > > Where is the question of all shadvargas here? I have not seen that > interpretation by others whose commentaries on Jaimini sutras, I also > possess. It is the 2nd house (Sanjay) or 9th (Some other commentators) > to the Swamsha. The next navamsha has to be ruled by either Venus or > Mars and there are 4 such navamshas. Some commentators say that it is > enough if the second from swamsha happens to be any of the shadvargas. > To me that is strange translation as Swamsha necessarily occurs in > Navamsha. But then the logic of those commentators may be that amsha can > indicate any one of the divisions of any of the 6 D charts. I would not > think that is right, specially as in Hora chart that could never occur. > > Chandrashekhar. > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > I will be interested to know how Shri Rath has interpreted this > > shloka.Also i would like to see your view. > > > > Do you think technically this is possible if it is in navamsha (can all > > shadvargas fall there) > > > > SU. 52.-Tatra bhrigwongaraka varge paradarikaha. If the 9th from > > Karakamsa falls in one of the shadvargas of Sukra and Kuja, he will be > > fond of others' wives. > > > > Respect > > Pradeep > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 5:10 PM > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 Dear Pradeep, I can not comment on why Sanjay Rath interpreted the way he did. I only gave what he said. I have already indicated that this discussion is leading to nowhere. One thing I would like to understand is why must Varge mean Shadvarga as is being insisted, if we think that it can not be navamsha ruled by Shukra or Kuja? When karakamsha means navamsha occupied by Atmakaraka, how do you find a Dwadashaamsha next to Karakamsha in a navamsha chakra or vise a versa as one s spread over 3 degree 20 minutes and the other over 1 degree of the zodiacal arc. About the 12th from Shani it would be better if one also reads what BPHS says about 12th from Karakamsha wherein " Kaarakaamshaad vyaye saure... " is clearly mentioned. So the 12th from Karakamsha is clearly brought out. There in you will find why the reference to paparxe and its meaning. Parashara says that if such a Shani also occupies a malefic rasi then the person worships kshudra devata. But then the word rashi could also be used to indicate the navamsha, as the word Rasi means a heap and could be used to indicate the navamsha rasi. It need not every time mean rasi as in rasi chakra. There are too many yogas where position of a graha in Karakamsha or Swaamsha, alone, is given to think that Karakamsha is to be taken back to rasi chakra and read there. Those shlokas do not prove KNR's views at all. Some shlokas could however be interpreted to coincide with KNR's views. Of course this is my personal view and others could hold a different view. Chandrashekhar. vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > Thanks for the explanation. > As you say,we should not see shlokas in isolation.Seeing the > stream,preceding,succeeding is necessary. > > In the given case why is sage mentioning ''Varge'' if it is > understood as an amsha arrangement.For eg in none of the preceding > shlokas we have that usage.Tatra Ravou etc. > I dont know about 2 or 9th -anyways it is not our major concern. > Two possibilities.1)Mars and Kuja having Varga is mentioned.2)Varga > owned by Kuja is mentioned.I will go for 1.By having a certain rashi > results cnnot be predicted.Then individuals with lagna as papa rashis > should all be treated as bad.In a papa rashi ifsome some graha is > placed or having amsha results can be predicted. > Venus and Mars having amsha there is being mentioned.Shri Raths > translation is very strange.Pls see shri Suryanaain raos translation > in this case. > As karakamsha is found from navamsha,we may say this Varga is > navamsha. > > Now there is an inconsistency.Sutras will be short.Why did sage give > superflous info.Why did Sage say Varga,if it is clearly known.It > clearly means the previous ones are graha placements from karakamsha > rashi.And this one points to amsha in the 2nd from such a rashi. > > If some one wants to say sage is talking about shadvargas - Then > again reference is karakamsha rashi as shadvargas can be seen only > w.r to rashi.I prefer with first translation. > > Now the most important shloka -Su-80-Paparkshe mande shudradevatha. > Sage is talking about Karakamasha falling in papa Riksha(Rashi) and > Saturns placement there.Rashi isclearly mentioned. > > Now why is Sage mentioning Paprkshe or Rashi specifically will be the > question in mind.For all other cases he was mentioning placement of > planets in karakamsha Rashi.Thus he could say Tatra Ravou etc without > specyfying Rashi, as it is understood.In this case he has no other > way as a malefic Rashi can only be expressed with help of word > Riksha or Rashi. > > Chandrashekhar ji kindly give your views. > I would request shri Narasimha Rao etc to clarify their position.Shri > K.N.Raojis views are being proved true through these shlokas. > > Respect > Pradeep > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > He says " Venus or Mars owning the second from swamsha produces > passion > > and illicit relationship " > > > > Where is the question of all shadvargas here? I have not seen that > > interpretation by others whose commentaries on Jaimini sutras, I > also > > possess. It is the 2nd house (Sanjay) or 9th (Some other > commentators) > > to the Swamsha. The next navamsha has to be ruled by either Venus > or > > Mars and there are 4 such navamshas. Some commentators say that it > is > > enough if the second from swamsha happens to be any of the > shadvargas. > > To me that is strange translation as Swamsha necessarily occurs in > > Navamsha. But then the logic of those commentators may be that > amsha can > > indicate any one of the divisions of any of the 6 D charts. I would > not > > think that is right, specially as in Hora chart that could never > occur. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > I will be interested to know how Shri Rath has interpreted this > > > shloka.Also i would like to see your view. > > > > > > Do you think technically this is possible if it is in navamsha > (can all > > > shadvargas fall there) > > > > > > SU. 52.-Tatra bhrigwongaraka varge paradarikaha. If the 9th from > > > Karakamsa falls in one of the shadvargas of Sukra and Kuja, he > will be > > > fond of others' wives. > > > > > > Respect > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: > 6/11/2007 5:10 PM > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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