Why Navamsa Chart is so important? - Sreenadh

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ll HARE RAM ll Dear Srinaadh,

Very nice!You explained very well,accurate,correct and exact as our Sages say

about the Navmansa.I am fully agreed with your statement.

 

God bless

Shashie Shekhar

 

 

Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

Dear Prafulla ji,

* No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not chart) " just like D1

chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

* No ancient text provide as the results for " aspects of planets in

Navamasa "

* Nor they give us the results to be predicted when planets are

placed " x house with reference to navamsa lagna "

 

I hope we are trying to study astrology as taught by the sages; If

not I don't have anything to say.

 

Love,

Sreenadh

 

 

, Prafulla Gang

wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh ji

>

> I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts using navamsa chart

(along with other D charts). Now how to assess D9 charts - can be

perspective. But - as most authors say - just like D1 chart.

>

> I request members to share their experience.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

> http://www.prafulla.net

>

> " The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to

be taken seriously. "

> ************************************************

>

>

> >

> > sreesog

> > Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> >

> > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so important?

> >

> > Dear Krishna ji,

> > ==>

> >> I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> >> as important as Rasi chart.

> > <==

> > * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only Navamsa. Navamsa chart

is

> > not as important as Rasi chart and it can never be, because it is

> > only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than other amsas due

to

> > the prior said reasons.

> > ==>

> >> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the overall

> >> strength of a planet?

> > <==

> > * Because the quality of earth determines the strength of the

> > plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per their importance.

> > ==>

> >> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart like

> >> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > <==

> > * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa. (There

is

> > no navamsa 'chart'.)

> >

> > ==>

> >> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated as if

> >> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > <==

> > * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa, it only means that.

> > When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means that. It is wrong

to

> > mix the two.

> > ==>

> >> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> > <==

> > * No, Yogas should not be looked in Navamsa 'chart'. But yes

yoga in

> > Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga. Because it is the

> > same principles as used in Rasi that are used to predict the

result

> > in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and houses are not

applicable

> > to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses should be considered in

> > Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient texts about aspect or

> > houses essentially mean that they are referring to Rasi chart.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Kolachina ji,

> >>

> >> It was interesting to read your comments on importance of the

> >> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> >> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my experience so

> >> far reading charts. However, I have still not understood what

> >> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being so

> >> important.

> >>

> >> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the overall

> >> strength of a planet?

> >> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart like

> >> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> >> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated as if

> >> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> >> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> >>

> >> By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa chart, it

> >> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make up two equal

> >> halves representing the native.

> >>

> >> I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa Chart. What I

> >> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an importance? What

> >> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of many varga

> >> charts!

> >>

> >> Regards,

> >> Krishna

> >>

> >> --- Satya Sai Kolachina wrote:

> >>

> >>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> >>>

> >>> I have been following this thread on karakamsa and both of

> >>> your

> >>> contributions.

> >>>

> >>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your valuable

> >>> inputs

> >>> you are providing to the astrological community. I would like

> >>> to

> >>> share my opinion (through my own experience).

> >>>

> >>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa chart alone

> >>> most

> >>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I found both the

> >>> approaches

> >>> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very valuable;

> >>> at the

> >>> same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as separate

> >>> chart (of

> >>> course without losing the context of the Rasi chart), since

> >>> any of

> >>> the varga charts will not give independent results if the Rasi

> >>> chart

> >>> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if the Rasi chart

> >>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in several

> >>> occassions in many of his articles and books that yogas viewed

> >>> in

> >>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa chart for

> >>> confirming

> >>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as a separate

> >>> chart,

> >>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose of checking

> >>> some

> >>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and aspects) in the

> >>> navamsa

> >>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana should be

> >>> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual influence at the

> >>> amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg. span. of Rasi.

> >>>

> >>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own house in the

> >>> rasi

> >>> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa chart, it is

> >>> condiered

> >>> as weakening of the actual strength shown in the Rasi. Why is

> >>> this

> >>> considered so? It is considered like that because, even though

> >>> the

> >>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still its

> >>> positioning

> >>> within that particular sector (here navamsa) has weakened it;

> >>> means,

> >>> within its own rasi, this particular sector is the weakest

> >>> point for

> >>> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it loses its

> >>> strength

> >>> considerably. This means there is a gradation of strengths for

> >>> the

> >>> planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa. The navamsa

> >>> position

> >>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement within the

> >>> rasi.

> >>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to both the

> >>> Rasi and

> >>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is weak in one of

> >>> them

> >>> that means half the weightage is lost. We may not give the

> >>> same

> >>> level of treatment to other vargas as we give to Navamsa; but

> >>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the extent that it can

> >>> be

> >>> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the promise given

> >>> by the

> >>> rasi chart).

> >>>

> >>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas in the rasi

> >>> chart

> >>> alone cannot and will not give expected results; I have

> >>> observed

> >>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> >>>

> >>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra both in the

> >>> 12th

> >>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not in the rasi

> >>> chart

> >>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the karakamsa

> >>> lagna). I am

> >>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented by Chandra)

> >>> and

> >>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the karakamsa is

> >>> brought

> >>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The sequence of

> >>> my life

> >>> events are better explained only if I consider karakamsa lagna

> >>> in

> >>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's opinion

> >>> here; I am

> >>> just saying that both approaches need to be considered on the

> >>> chart,

> >>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao always says.

> >>>

> >>> On the other hand, considering the specific rasi in the Rasi

> >>> chart

> >>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my Sukra is in

> >>> the 4th

> >>> house indicating my possession of a nice beautiful house, and

> >>> education/skills in arts (in addition to other traditional

> >>> education).

> >>>

> >>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to summarize

> >>> that

> >>> both your theories give results; but not necessarily in

> >>> isolation of

> >>> the other.

> >>>

> >>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> >>>

> >>> Best regards,

> >>> Satya S Kolachina

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> , Chandrashekhar

> >>> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>> Dear Pradeep,

> >>>>

> >>>> I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N. Rao.

> >>> First

> >>> there is

> >>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka though it

> >>> is

> >>> perhaps

> >>>> being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in

> >>> astrological

> >>>> translations many a times words are to be understood in the

> >>> context that

> >>>> they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha and

> >>> Swamsha

> >>> in

> >>>> alternate lines (almost) while indicating the results of

> >>> occupation of

> >>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in karakamsha

> >>> adhyaaya.

> >>>> This does not mean he is speaking about two different

> >>> parameters.

> >>> I

> >>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well versed in

> >>> interpretation

> >>>> of astrological texts will confirm this contention of mine

> >>> if he

> >>> is

> >>>> watching this discussion.

> >>>>

> >>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think that the results

> >>> indicated on

> >>>> the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the potential

> >>> promised by

> >>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived by the grahas in

> >>> rasi

> >>> chart,

> >>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to materialize. I

> >>> hope

> >>> this

> >>>> opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the

> >>> discussion on

> >>> the

> >>>> list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it is

> >>> worth.

> >>>>

> >>>> Take care,

> >>>> Chandrashekhar.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to the

> >>> Rashi

> >>> in

> >>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha has

> >>> one

> >>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning.

> >>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to the

> >>> Rashi

> >>> in

> >>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are some

> >>> shlokas

> >>> which

> >>>>> shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his view

> >>> point.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell this.Sometimes the

> >>>

> >>> answer and

> >>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by proper

> >>>

> >>>

> >> === message truncated ===

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

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> > ______________

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> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Shashie ji,

Thanks for the support to uphold the views of the sages against the

modern interpreters and proponets of new methods.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, Shashie Shekhar

<polite_astro wrote:

>

> ll HARE RAM ll Dear Srinaadh,

> Very nice!You explained very well,accurate,correct and exact as

our Sages say about the Navmansa.I am fully agreed with your

statement.

>

> God bless

> Shashie Shekhar

>

>

> Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

> Dear Prafulla ji,

> * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not chart) " just like D1

> chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

> * No ancient text provide as the results for " aspects of planets in

> Navamasa "

> * Nor they give us the results to be predicted when planets are

> placed " x house with reference to navamsa lagna "

>

> I hope we are trying to study astrology as taught by the sages; If

> not I don't have anything to say.

>

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

>

> , Prafulla Gang

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji

> >

> > I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts using navamsa chart

> (along with other D charts). Now how to assess D9 charts - can be

> perspective. But - as most authors say - just like D1 chart.

> >

> > I request members to share their experience.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > http://www.prafulla.net

> >

> > " The right to be heard does not automatically include the right

to

> be taken seriously. "

> > ************************************************

> >

> >

> > >

> > > sreesog@

> > > Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> > >

> > > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so important?

> > >

> > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > > ==>

> > >> I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> > >> as important as Rasi chart.

> > > <==

> > > * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only Navamsa. Navamsa chart

> is

> > > not as important as Rasi chart and it can never be, because it

is

> > > only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than other amsas

due

> to

> > > the prior said reasons.

> > > ==>

> > >> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the overall

> > >> strength of a planet?

> > > <==

> > > * Because the quality of earth determines the strength of the

> > > plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per their importance.

> > > ==>

> > >> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart like

> > >> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > <==

> > > * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa. (There

> is

> > > no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > >

> > > ==>

> > >> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated as

if

> > >> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > <==

> > > * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa, it only means

that.

> > > When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means that. It is

wrong

> to

> > > mix the two.

> > > ==>

> > >> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> > > <==

> > > * No, Yogas should not be looked in Navamsa 'chart'. But yes

> yoga in

> > > Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga. Because it is

the

> > > same principles as used in Rasi that are used to predict the

> result

> > > in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and houses are not

> applicable

> > > to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses should be considered

in

> > > Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient texts about aspect

or

> > > houses essentially mean that they are referring to Rasi chart.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > wrote:

> > >>

> > >> Dear Kolachina ji,

> > >>

> > >> It was interesting to read your comments on importance of the

> > >> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that Navamsa chart

is

> > >> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my experience so

> > >> far reading charts. However, I have still not understood what

> > >> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being so

> > >> important.

> > >>

> > >> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the overall

> > >> strength of a planet?

> > >> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart like

> > >> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > >> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated as

if

> > >> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > >> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> > >>

> > >> By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa chart, it

> > >> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make up two equal

> > >> halves representing the native.

> > >>

> > >> I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa Chart. What I

> > >> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an importance?

What

> > >> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of many varga

> > >> charts!

> > >>

> > >> Regards,

> > >> Krishna

> > >>

> > >> --- Satya Sai Kolachina wrote:

> > >>

> > >>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > >>>

> > >>> I have been following this thread on karakamsa and both of

> > >>> your

> > >>> contributions.

> > >>>

> > >>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your valuable

> > >>> inputs

> > >>> you are providing to the astrological community. I would like

> > >>> to

> > >>> share my opinion (through my own experience).

> > >>>

> > >>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa chart alone

> > >>> most

> > >>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I found both the

> > >>> approaches

> > >>> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very valuable;

> > >>> at the

> > >>> same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as separate

> > >>> chart (of

> > >>> course without losing the context of the Rasi chart), since

> > >>> any of

> > >>> the varga charts will not give independent results if the Rasi

> > >>> chart

> > >>> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if the Rasi chart

> > >>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in several

> > >>> occassions in many of his articles and books that yogas viewed

> > >>> in

> > >>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa chart for

> > >>> confirming

> > >>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as a separate

> > >>> chart,

> > >>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose of checking

> > >>> some

> > >>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and aspects) in the

> > >>> navamsa

> > >>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana should be

> > >>> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual influence at the

> > >>> amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg. span. of Rasi.

> > >>>

> > >>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own house in the

> > >>> rasi

> > >>> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa chart, it is

> > >>> condiered

> > >>> as weakening of the actual strength shown in the Rasi. Why is

> > >>> this

> > >>> considered so? It is considered like that because, even though

> > >>> the

> > >>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still its

> > >>> positioning

> > >>> within that particular sector (here navamsa) has weakened it;

> > >>> means,

> > >>> within its own rasi, this particular sector is the weakest

> > >>> point for

> > >>> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it loses its

> > >>> strength

> > >>> considerably. This means there is a gradation of strengths for

> > >>> the

> > >>> planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa. The navamsa

> > >>> position

> > >>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement within the

> > >>> rasi.

> > >>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to both the

> > >>> Rasi and

> > >>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is weak in one of

> > >>> them

> > >>> that means half the weightage is lost. We may not give the

> > >>> same

> > >>> level of treatment to other vargas as we give to Navamsa; but

> > >>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the extent that it can

> > >>> be

> > >>> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the promise given

> > >>> by the

> > >>> rasi chart).

> > >>>

> > >>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas in the rasi

> > >>> chart

> > >>> alone cannot and will not give expected results; I have

> > >>> observed

> > >>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> > >>>

> > >>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra both in the

> > >>> 12th

> > >>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not in the rasi

> > >>> chart

> > >>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the karakamsa

> > >>> lagna). I am

> > >>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented by Chandra)

> > >>> and

> > >>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the karakamsa is

> > >>> brought

> > >>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The sequence of

> > >>> my life

> > >>> events are better explained only if I consider karakamsa lagna

> > >>> in

> > >>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's opinion

> > >>> here; I am

> > >>> just saying that both approaches need to be considered on the

> > >>> chart,

> > >>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao always says.

> > >>>

> > >>> On the other hand, considering the specific rasi in the Rasi

> > >>> chart

> > >>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my Sukra is in

> > >>> the 4th

> > >>> house indicating my possession of a nice beautiful house, and

> > >>> education/skills in arts (in addition to other traditional

> > >>> education).

> > >>>

> > >>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to summarize

> > >>> that

> > >>> both your theories give results; but not necessarily in

> > >>> isolation of

> > >>> the other.

> > >>>

> > >>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> > >>>

> > >>> Best regards,

> > >>> Satya S Kolachina

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> , Chandrashekhar

> > >>> wrote:

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > >>>>

> > >>>> I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N. Rao.

> > >>> First

> > >>> there is

> > >>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka though it

> > >>> is

> > >>> perhaps

> > >>>> being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in

> > >>> astrological

> > >>>> translations many a times words are to be understood in the

> > >>> context that

> > >>>> they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha and

> > >>> Swamsha

> > >>> in

> > >>>> alternate lines (almost) while indicating the results of

> > >>> occupation of

> > >>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in karakamsha

> > >>> adhyaaya.

> > >>>> This does not mean he is speaking about two different

> > >>> parameters.

> > >>> I

> > >>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well versed in

> > >>> interpretation

> > >>>> of astrological texts will confirm this contention of mine

> > >>> if he

> > >>> is

> > >>>> watching this discussion.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think that the results

> > >>> indicated on

> > >>>> the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the potential

> > >>> promised by

> > >>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived by the grahas in

> > >>> rasi

> > >>> chart,

> > >>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to materialize. I

> > >>> hope

> > >>> this

> > >>>> opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the

> > >>> discussion on

> > >>> the

> > >>>> list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it is

> > >>> worth.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Take care,

> > >>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to the

> > >>> Rashi

> > >>> in

> > >>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha has

> > >>> one

> > >>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning.

> > >>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to the

> > >>> Rashi

> > >>> in

> > >>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are some

> > >>> shlokas

> > >>> which

> > >>>>> shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his view

> > >>> point.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell this.Sometimes the

> > >>>

> > >>> answer and

> > >>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by proper

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >> === message truncated ===

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >

>

____________________

> > > ______________

> > >> Be a PS3 game guru.

> > >> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at

> > > Games.

> > >> http://videogames./platform?platform=120121

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadhiji,

I think all humans are interpreters of the vedas. U urself are an

interpretator. We are no ones to Judge who is interpretating right and

wrong, on our fancies other than proof and case studies. So all scholars in

their own right are trying to interpret! there is nothing NEW. in Jyotish

Swati

 

 

On 7/5/07, Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote:

>

> Dear Shashie ji,

> Thanks for the support to uphold the views of the sages against the

> modern interpreters and proponets of new methods.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> <%40>,

> Shashie Shekhar

> <polite_astro wrote:

> >

> > ll HARE RAM ll Dear Srinaadh,

> > Very nice!You explained very well,accurate,correct and exact as

> our Sages say about the Navmansa.I am fully agreed with your

> statement.

> >

> > God bless

> > Shashie Shekhar

> >

> >

> > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

> > Dear Prafulla ji,

> > * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not chart) " just like D1

> > chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

> > * No ancient text provide as the results for " aspects of planets in

> > Navamasa "

> > * Nor they give us the results to be predicted when planets are

> > placed " x house with reference to navamsa lagna "

> >

> > I hope we are trying to study astrology as taught by the sages; If

> > not I don't have anything to say.

> >

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> >

> > <%40>,

> Prafulla Gang

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh ji

> > >

> > > I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts using navamsa chart

> > (along with other D charts). Now how to assess D9 charts - can be

> > perspective. But - as most authors say - just like D1 chart.

> > >

> > > I request members to share their experience.

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > http://www.prafulla.net

> > >

> > > " The right to be heard does not automatically include the right

> to

> > be taken seriously. "

> > > ************************************************

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > sreesog@

> > > > Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> > > > <%40>

> > > > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so important?

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > ==>

> > > >> I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> > > >> as important as Rasi chart.

> > > > <==

> > > > * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only Navamsa. Navamsa chart

> > is

> > > > not as important as Rasi chart and it can never be, because it

> is

> > > > only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than other amsas

> due

> > to

> > > > the prior said reasons.

> > > > ==>

> > > >> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the overall

> > > >> strength of a planet?

> > > > <==

> > > > * Because the quality of earth determines the strength of the

> > > > plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per their importance.

> > > > ==>

> > > >> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart like

> > > >> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > <==

> > > > * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa. (There

> > is

> > > > no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > > >

> > > > ==>

> > > >> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated as

> if

> > > >> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > <==

> > > > * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa, it only means

> that.

> > > > When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means that. It is

> wrong

> > to

> > > > mix the two.

> > > > ==>

> > > >> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> > > > <==

> > > > * No, Yogas should not be looked in Navamsa 'chart'. But yes

> > yoga in

> > > > Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga. Because it is

> the

> > > > same principles as used in Rasi that are used to predict the

> > result

> > > > in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and houses are not

> > applicable

> > > > to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses should be considered

> in

> > > > Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient texts about aspect

> or

> > > > houses essentially mean that they are referring to Rasi chart.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > <%40>,

> Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> Dear Kolachina ji,

> > > >>

> > > >> It was interesting to read your comments on importance of the

> > > >> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that Navamsa chart

> is

> > > >> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my experience so

> > > >> far reading charts. However, I have still not understood what

> > > >> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being so

> > > >> important.

> > > >>

> > > >> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the overall

> > > >> strength of a planet?

> > > >> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart like

> > > >> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > >> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated as

> if

> > > >> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > >> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> > > >>

> > > >> By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa chart, it

> > > >> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make up two equal

> > > >> halves representing the native.

> > > >>

> > > >> I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa Chart. What I

> > > >> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an importance?

> What

> > > >> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of many varga

> > > >> charts!

> > > >>

> > > >> Regards,

> > > >> Krishna

> > > >>

> > > >> --- Satya Sai Kolachina wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > > >>>

> > > >>> I have been following this thread on karakamsa and both of

> > > >>> your

> > > >>> contributions.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your valuable

> > > >>> inputs

> > > >>> you are providing to the astrological community. I would like

> > > >>> to

> > > >>> share my opinion (through my own experience).

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa chart alone

> > > >>> most

> > > >>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I found both the

> > > >>> approaches

> > > >>> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very valuable;

> > > >>> at the

> > > >>> same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as separate

> > > >>> chart (of

> > > >>> course without losing the context of the Rasi chart), since

> > > >>> any of

> > > >>> the varga charts will not give independent results if the Rasi

> > > >>> chart

> > > >>> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if the Rasi chart

> > > >>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in several

> > > >>> occassions in many of his articles and books that yogas viewed

> > > >>> in

> > > >>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa chart for

> > > >>> confirming

> > > >>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as a separate

> > > >>> chart,

> > > >>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose of checking

> > > >>> some

> > > >>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and aspects) in the

> > > >>> navamsa

> > > >>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana should be

> > > >>> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual influence at the

> > > >>> amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg. span. of Rasi.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own house in the

> > > >>> rasi

> > > >>> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa chart, it is

> > > >>> condiered

> > > >>> as weakening of the actual strength shown in the Rasi. Why is

> > > >>> this

> > > >>> considered so? It is considered like that because, even though

> > > >>> the

> > > >>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still its

> > > >>> positioning

> > > >>> within that particular sector (here navamsa) has weakened it;

> > > >>> means,

> > > >>> within its own rasi, this particular sector is the weakest

> > > >>> point for

> > > >>> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it loses its

> > > >>> strength

> > > >>> considerably. This means there is a gradation of strengths for

> > > >>> the

> > > >>> planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa. The navamsa

> > > >>> position

> > > >>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement within the

> > > >>> rasi.

> > > >>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to both the

> > > >>> Rasi and

> > > >>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is weak in one of

> > > >>> them

> > > >>> that means half the weightage is lost. We may not give the

> > > >>> same

> > > >>> level of treatment to other vargas as we give to Navamsa; but

> > > >>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the extent that it can

> > > >>> be

> > > >>> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the promise given

> > > >>> by the

> > > >>> rasi chart).

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas in the rasi

> > > >>> chart

> > > >>> alone cannot and will not give expected results; I have

> > > >>> observed

> > > >>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra both in the

> > > >>> 12th

> > > >>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not in the rasi

> > > >>> chart

> > > >>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the karakamsa

> > > >>> lagna). I am

> > > >>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented by Chandra)

> > > >>> and

> > > >>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the karakamsa is

> > > >>> brought

> > > >>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The sequence of

> > > >>> my life

> > > >>> events are better explained only if I consider karakamsa lagna

> > > >>> in

> > > >>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's opinion

> > > >>> here; I am

> > > >>> just saying that both approaches need to be considered on the

> > > >>> chart,

> > > >>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao always says.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> On the other hand, considering the specific rasi in the Rasi

> > > >>> chart

> > > >>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my Sukra is in

> > > >>> the 4th

> > > >>> house indicating my possession of a nice beautiful house, and

> > > >>> education/skills in arts (in addition to other traditional

> > > >>> education).

> > > >>>

> > > >>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to summarize

> > > >>> that

> > > >>> both your theories give results; but not necessarily in

> > > >>> isolation of

> > > >>> the other.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Best regards,

> > > >>> Satya S Kolachina

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> <%40>,

> Chandrashekhar

> > > >>> wrote:

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N. Rao.

> > > >>> First

> > > >>> there is

> > > >>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka though it

> > > >>> is

> > > >>> perhaps

> > > >>>> being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in

> > > >>> astrological

> > > >>>> translations many a times words are to be understood in the

> > > >>> context that

> > > >>>> they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha and

> > > >>> Swamsha

> > > >>> in

> > > >>>> alternate lines (almost) while indicating the results of

> > > >>> occupation of

> > > >>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in karakamsha

> > > >>> adhyaaya.

> > > >>>> This does not mean he is speaking about two different

> > > >>> parameters.

> > > >>> I

> > > >>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well versed in

> > > >>> interpretation

> > > >>>> of astrological texts will confirm this contention of mine

> > > >>> if he

> > > >>> is

> > > >>>> watching this discussion.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think that the results

> > > >>> indicated on

> > > >>>> the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the potential

> > > >>> promised by

> > > >>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived by the grahas in

> > > >>> rasi

> > > >>> chart,

> > > >>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to materialize. I

> > > >>> hope

> > > >>> this

> > > >>>> opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the

> > > >>> discussion on

> > > >>> the

> > > >>>> list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it is

> > > >>> worth.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Take care,

> > > >>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to the

> > > >>> Rashi

> > > >>> in

> > > >>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha has

> > > >>> one

> > > >>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning.

> > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to the

> > > >>> Rashi

> > > >>> in

> > > >>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are some

> > > >>> shlokas

> > > >>> which

> > > >>>>> shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his view

> > > >>> point.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell this.Sometimes the

> > > >>>

> > > >>> answer and

> > > >>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by proper

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >> === message truncated ===

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Swati ji,

Hopefully i think i am free to restate the views of some of the

ancient scholars i think - or am i not free. What do u think.

There is many thing 'NEW' in jyotish - if you read some; but as you

know i am 'old' and would like to be so.

Also know that things always sprung from a purpose - if no kaul ji's

mail; it would not have been necessary that i have to become an

interpreter of vedas - in your words. ha .. ha .. it happens. life

is like that ..

P.S: Some body say that life is new every moment, some one else says

that there is nothing new, who is right and who is wrong? The point

is I should apply for a good set of spectacles!

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " healing spaces "

<healingspaces wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadhiji,

> I think all humans are interpreters of the vedas. U urself are an

> interpretator. We are no ones to Judge who is interpretating right

and

> wrong, on our fancies other than proof and case studies. So all

scholars in

> their own right are trying to interpret! there is nothing NEW. in

Jyotish

> Swati

>

>

> On 7/5/07, Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shashie ji,

> > Thanks for the support to uphold the views of the sages against

the

> > modern interpreters and proponets of new methods.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > <%

40>,

> > Shashie Shekhar

> > <polite_astro@> wrote:

> > >

> > > ll HARE RAM ll Dear Srinaadh,

> > > Very nice!You explained very well,accurate,correct and exact as

> > our Sages say about the Navmansa.I am fully agreed with your

> > statement.

> > >

> > > God bless

> > > Shashie Shekhar

> > >

> > >

> > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not chart) " just

like D1

> > > chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

> > > * No ancient text provide as the results for " aspects of

planets in

> > > Navamasa "

> > > * Nor they give us the results to be predicted when planets are

> > > placed " x house with reference to navamsa lagna "

> > >

> > > I hope we are trying to study astrology as taught by the sages;

If

> > > not I don't have anything to say.

> > >

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > >

> > > <%

40>,

> > Prafulla Gang

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > >

> > > > I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts using navamsa

chart

> > > (along with other D charts). Now how to assess D9 charts - can

be

> > > perspective. But - as most authors say - just like D1 chart.

> > > >

> > > > I request members to share their experience.

> > > >

> > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > http://www.prafulla.net

> > > >

> > > > " The right to be heard does not automatically include the

right

> > to

> > > be taken seriously. "

> > > > ************************************************

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > sreesog@

> > > > > Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> > > > > <%

40>

> > > > > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

important?

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > > ==>

> > > > >> I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> > > > >> as important as Rasi chart.

> > > > > <==

> > > > > * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only Navamsa. Navamsa

chart

> > > is

> > > > > not as important as Rasi chart and it can never be, because

it

> > is

> > > > > only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than other amsas

> > due

> > > to

> > > > > the prior said reasons.

> > > > > ==>

> > > > >> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

overall

> > > > >> strength of a planet?

> > > > > <==

> > > > > * Because the quality of earth determines the strength of

the

> > > > > plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per their

importance.

> > > > > ==>

> > > > >> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

like

> > > > >> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > <==

> > > > > * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa.

(There

> > > is

> > > > > no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > > > >

> > > > > ==>

> > > > >> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated

as

> > if

> > > > >> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > > <==

> > > > > * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa, it only means

> > that.

> > > > > When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means that. It is

> > wrong

> > > to

> > > > > mix the two.

> > > > > ==>

> > > > >> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> > > > > <==

> > > > > * No, Yogas should not be looked in Navamsa 'chart'. But yes

> > > yoga in

> > > > > Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga. Because it

is

> > the

> > > > > same principles as used in Rasi that are used to predict the

> > > result

> > > > > in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and houses are not

> > > applicable

> > > > > to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses should be

considered

> > in

> > > > > Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient texts about

aspect

> > or

> > > > > houses essentially mean that they are referring to Rasi

chart.

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > <%

40>,

> > Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Dear Kolachina ji,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> It was interesting to read your comments on importance of

the

> > > > >> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that Navamsa

chart

> > is

> > > > >> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my experience

so

> > > > >> far reading charts. However, I have still not understood

what

> > > > >> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being so

> > > > >> important.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

overall

> > > > >> strength of a planet?

> > > > >> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

like

> > > > >> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > >> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated

as

> > if

> > > > >> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > >> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> > > > >>

> > > > >> By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa

chart, it

> > > > >> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make up two

equal

> > > > >> halves representing the native.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa Chart.

What I

> > > > >> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an importance?

> > What

> > > > >> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of many

varga

> > > > >> charts!

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Regards,

> > > > >> Krishna

> > > > >>

> > > > >> --- Satya Sai Kolachina wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> I have been following this thread on karakamsa and both of

> > > > >>> your

> > > > >>> contributions.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your valuable

> > > > >>> inputs

> > > > >>> you are providing to the astrological community. I would

like

> > > > >>> to

> > > > >>> share my opinion (through my own experience).

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa chart

alone

> > > > >>> most

> > > > >>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I found both the

> > > > >>> approaches

> > > > >>> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very

valuable;

> > > > >>> at the

> > > > >>> same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as separate

> > > > >>> chart (of

> > > > >>> course without losing the context of the Rasi chart),

since

> > > > >>> any of

> > > > >>> the varga charts will not give independent results if the

Rasi

> > > > >>> chart

> > > > >>> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if the Rasi

chart

> > > > >>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in

several

> > > > >>> occassions in many of his articles and books that yogas

viewed

> > > > >>> in

> > > > >>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa chart for

> > > > >>> confirming

> > > > >>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as a

separate

> > > > >>> chart,

> > > > >>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose of

checking

> > > > >>> some

> > > > >>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and aspects) in the

> > > > >>> navamsa

> > > > >>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana should be

> > > > >>> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual influence

at the

> > > > >>> amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg. span. of

Rasi.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own house

in the

> > > > >>> rasi

> > > > >>> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa chart, it is

> > > > >>> condiered

> > > > >>> as weakening of the actual strength shown in the Rasi.

Why is

> > > > >>> this

> > > > >>> considered so? It is considered like that because, even

though

> > > > >>> the

> > > > >>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still its

> > > > >>> positioning

> > > > >>> within that particular sector (here navamsa) has weakened

it;

> > > > >>> means,

> > > > >>> within its own rasi, this particular sector is the weakest

> > > > >>> point for

> > > > >>> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it loses its

> > > > >>> strength

> > > > >>> considerably. This means there is a gradation of

strengths for

> > > > >>> the

> > > > >>> planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa. The navamsa

> > > > >>> position

> > > > >>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement within

the

> > > > >>> rasi.

> > > > >>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to both the

> > > > >>> Rasi and

> > > > >>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is weak in one

of

> > > > >>> them

> > > > >>> that means half the weightage is lost. We may not give the

> > > > >>> same

> > > > >>> level of treatment to other vargas as we give to Navamsa;

but

> > > > >>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the extent that

it can

> > > > >>> be

> > > > >>> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the promise

given

> > > > >>> by the

> > > > >>> rasi chart).

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas in the rasi

> > > > >>> chart

> > > > >>> alone cannot and will not give expected results; I have

> > > > >>> observed

> > > > >>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra both in the

> > > > >>> 12th

> > > > >>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not in the rasi

> > > > >>> chart

> > > > >>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the karakamsa

> > > > >>> lagna). I am

> > > > >>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented by

Chandra)

> > > > >>> and

> > > > >>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the karakamsa

is

> > > > >>> brought

> > > > >>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The sequence

of

> > > > >>> my life

> > > > >>> events are better explained only if I consider karakamsa

lagna

> > > > >>> in

> > > > >>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's opinion

> > > > >>> here; I am

> > > > >>> just saying that both approaches need to be considered on

the

> > > > >>> chart,

> > > > >>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao always

says.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> On the other hand, considering the specific rasi in the

Rasi

> > > > >>> chart

> > > > >>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my Sukra is

in

> > > > >>> the 4th

> > > > >>> house indicating my possession of a nice beautiful house,

and

> > > > >>> education/skills in arts (in addition to other traditional

> > > > >>> education).

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to

summarize

> > > > >>> that

> > > > >>> both your theories give results; but not necessarily in

> > > > >>> isolation of

> > > > >>> the other.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Best regards,

> > > > >>> Satya S Kolachina

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> <%

40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > >>> wrote:

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N. Rao.

> > > > >>> First

> > > > >>> there is

> > > > >>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka though

it

> > > > >>> is

> > > > >>> perhaps

> > > > >>>> being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in

> > > > >>> astrological

> > > > >>>> translations many a times words are to be understood in

the

> > > > >>> context that

> > > > >>>> they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha and

> > > > >>> Swamsha

> > > > >>> in

> > > > >>>> alternate lines (almost) while indicating the results of

> > > > >>> occupation of

> > > > >>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in

karakamsha

> > > > >>> adhyaaya.

> > > > >>>> This does not mean he is speaking about two different

> > > > >>> parameters.

> > > > >>> I

> > > > >>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well versed in

> > > > >>> interpretation

> > > > >>>> of astrological texts will confirm this contention of

mine

> > > > >>> if he

> > > > >>> is

> > > > >>>> watching this discussion.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think that the results

> > > > >>> indicated on

> > > > >>>> the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the

potential

> > > > >>> promised by

> > > > >>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived by the grahas in

> > > > >>> rasi

> > > > >>> chart,

> > > > >>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to

materialize. I

> > > > >>> hope

> > > > >>> this

> > > > >>>> opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the

> > > > >>> discussion on

> > > > >>> the

> > > > >>>> list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it is

> > > > >>> worth.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Take care,

> > > > >>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to

the

> > > > >>> Rashi

> > > > >>> in

> > > > >>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha

has

> > > > >>> one

> > > > >>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning.

> > > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to

the

> > > > >>> Rashi

> > > > >>> in

> > > > >>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are some

> > > > >>> shlokas

> > > > >>> which

> > > > >>>>> shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his view

> > > > >>> point.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell this.Sometimes

the

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> answer and

> > > > >>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by

proper

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>

> > > > >> === message truncated ===

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >

> > >

> > ________

> > > > > ______________

> > > > >> Be a PS3 game guru.

> > > > >> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and

previews at

> > > > > Games.

> > > > >> http://videogames./platform?platform=120121

> > > > >>

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

ll HARE RAM ll

Dear Srinaath,

I appreciated you for your undersigned views regarding Navmansa specially for

2nd and 3rd part but no one can appreciate some one who abuses others.Therefore

your act to use abusive words towards Mr.Bhaskar are not acceptable at

all.First " VIDYA DADAATI VINAYAM " plz keep in mind always.

We all are so called learneds discussed here on Vedic subject not on any

political issue like foolish politicians.

Mr.Chandrashekhar,Mr.Bhaskar,Mr.Prafulla Gang and others are highly leaned

persons here.In fact we must learn to them by sharing their valuable

experciences in very positive manner keeping aside our fake egos.

I know Mr.Bhaskar very well.He is a very kind and helpful person. Sometimes he

seems Durvaasaa only against wrong and unlogical acts but he has a pious soul

like a Rishi.So i do request you to plz get round your abusive words showing

your apology.It will be your true greatness.

 

God bless

Shashie Shekhar

 

 

Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro wrote:

ll HARE RAM ll Dear Srinaadh,

Very nice!You explained very well,accurate,correct and exact as our Sages say

about the Navmansa.I am fully agreed with your statement.

 

God bless

Shashie Shekhar

 

 

Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

Dear Prafulla ji,

* No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not chart) " just like D1

chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

* No ancient text provide as the results for " aspects of planets in

Navamasa "

* Nor they give us the results to be predicted when planets are

placed " x house with reference to navamsa lagna "

 

I hope we are trying to study astrology as taught by the sages; If

not I don't have anything to say.

 

Love,

Sreenadh

 

 

, Prafulla Gang

wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh ji

>

> I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts using navamsa chart

(along with other D charts). Now how to assess D9 charts - can be

perspective. But - as most authors say - just like D1 chart.

>

> I request members to share their experience.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

> http://www.prafulla.net

>

> " The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to

be taken seriously. "

> ************************************************

>

>

> >

> > sreesog

> > Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> >

> > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so important?

> >

> > Dear Krishna ji,

> > ==>

> >> I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> >> as important as Rasi chart.

> > <==

> > * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only Navamsa. Navamsa chart

is

> > not as important as Rasi chart and it can never be, because it is

> > only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than other amsas due

to

> > the prior said reasons.

> > ==>

> >> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the overall

> >> strength of a planet?

> > <==

> > * Because the quality of earth determines the strength of the

> > plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per their importance.

> > ==>

> >> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart like

> >> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > <==

> > * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa. (There

is

> > no navamsa 'chart'.)

> >

> > ==>

> >> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated as if

> >> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > <==

> > * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa, it only means that.

> > When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means that. It is wrong

to

> > mix the two.

> > ==>

> >> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> > <==

> > * No, Yogas should not be looked in Navamsa 'chart'. But yes

yoga in

> > Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga. Because it is the

> > same principles as used in Rasi that are used to predict the

result

> > in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and houses are not

applicable

> > to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses should be considered in

> > Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient texts about aspect or

> > houses essentially mean that they are referring to Rasi chart.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Kolachina ji,

> >>

> >> It was interesting to read your comments on importance of the

> >> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> >> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my experience so

> >> far reading charts. However, I have still not understood what

> >> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being so

> >> important.

> >>

> >> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the overall

> >> strength of a planet?

> >> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart like

> >> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> >> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated as if

> >> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> >> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> >>

> >> By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa chart, it

> >> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make up two equal

> >> halves representing the native.

> >>

> >> I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa Chart. What I

> >> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an importance? What

> >> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of many varga

> >> charts!

> >>

> >> Regards,

> >> Krishna

> >>

> >> --- Satya Sai Kolachina wrote:

> >>

> >>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> >>>

> >>> I have been following this thread on karakamsa and both of

> >>> your

> >>> contributions.

> >>>

> >>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your valuable

> >>> inputs

> >>> you are providing to the astrological community. I would like

> >>> to

> >>> share my opinion (through my own experience).

> >>>

> >>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa chart alone

> >>> most

> >>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I found both the

> >>> approaches

> >>> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very valuable;

> >>> at the

> >>> same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as separate

> >>> chart (of

> >>> course without losing the context of the Rasi chart), since

> >>> any of

> >>> the varga charts will not give independent results if the Rasi

> >>> chart

> >>> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if the Rasi chart

> >>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in several

> >>> occassions in many of his articles and books that yogas viewed

> >>> in

> >>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa chart for

> >>> confirming

> >>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as a separate

> >>> chart,

> >>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose of checking

> >>> some

> >>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and aspects) in the

> >>> navamsa

> >>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana should be

> >>> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual influence at the

> >>> amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg. span. of Rasi.

> >>>

> >>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own house in the

> >>> rasi

> >>> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa chart, it is

> >>> condiered

> >>> as weakening of the actual strength shown in the Rasi. Why is

> >>> this

> >>> considered so? It is considered like that because, even though

> >>> the

> >>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still its

> >>> positioning

> >>> within that particular sector (here navamsa) has weakened it;

> >>> means,

> >>> within its own rasi, this particular sector is the weakest

> >>> point for

> >>> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it loses its

> >>> strength

> >>> considerably. This means there is a gradation of strengths for

> >>> the

> >>> planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa. The navamsa

> >>> position

> >>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement within the

> >>> rasi.

> >>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to both the

> >>> Rasi and

> >>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is weak in one of

> >>> them

> >>> that means half the weightage is lost. We may not give the

> >>> same

> >>> level of treatment to other vargas as we give to Navamsa; but

> >>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the extent that it can

> >>> be

> >>> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the promise given

> >>> by the

> >>> rasi chart).

> >>>

> >>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas in the rasi

> >>> chart

> >>> alone cannot and will not give expected results; I have

> >>> observed

> >>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> >>>

> >>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra both in the

> >>> 12th

> >>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not in the rasi

> >>> chart

> >>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the karakamsa

> >>> lagna). I am

> >>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented by Chandra)

> >>> and

> >>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the karakamsa is

> >>> brought

> >>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The sequence of

> >>> my life

> >>> events are better explained only if I consider karakamsa lagna

> >>> in

> >>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's opinion

> >>> here; I am

> >>> just saying that both approaches need to be considered on the

> >>> chart,

> >>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao always says.

> >>>

> >>> On the other hand, considering the specific rasi in the Rasi

> >>> chart

> >>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my Sukra is in

> >>> the 4th

> >>> house indicating my possession of a nice beautiful house, and

> >>> education/skills in arts (in addition to other traditional

> >>> education).

> >>>

> >>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to summarize

> >>> that

> >>> both your theories give results; but not necessarily in

> >>> isolation of

> >>> the other.

> >>>

> >>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> >>>

> >>> Best regards,

> >>> Satya S Kolachina

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> , Chandrashekhar

> >>> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>> Dear Pradeep,

> >>>>

> >>>> I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N. Rao.

> >>> First

> >>> there is

> >>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka though it

> >>> is

> >>> perhaps

> >>>> being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in

> >>> astrological

> >>>> translations many a times words are to be understood in the

> >>> context that

> >>>> they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha and

> >>> Swamsha

> >>> in

> >>>> alternate lines (almost) while indicating the results of

> >>> occupation of

> >>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in karakamsha

> >>> adhyaaya.

> >>>> This does not mean he is speaking about two different

> >>> parameters.

> >>> I

> >>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well versed in

> >>> interpretation

> >>>> of astrological texts will confirm this contention of mine

> >>> if he

> >>> is

> >>>> watching this discussion.

> >>>>

> >>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think that the results

> >>> indicated on

> >>>> the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the potential

> >>> promised by

> >>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived by the grahas in

> >>> rasi

> >>> chart,

> >>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to materialize. I

> >>> hope

> >>> this

> >>>> opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the

> >>> discussion on

> >>> the

> >>>> list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it is

> >>> worth.

> >>>>

> >>>> Take care,

> >>>> Chandrashekhar.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to the

> >>> Rashi

> >>> in

> >>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha has

> >>> one

> >>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning.

> >>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to the

> >>> Rashi

> >>> in

> >>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are some

> >>> shlokas

> >>> which

> >>>>> shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his view

> >>> point.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell this.Sometimes the

> >>>

> >>> answer and

> >>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by proper

> >>>

> >>>

> >> === message truncated ===

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

____________________

> > ______________

> >> Be a PS3 game guru.

> >> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at

> > Games.

> >> http://videogames./platform?platform=120121

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

ll HARE RAM ll

Dear Sreenadh,

I appreciated you for your undersigned views regarding Navmansa specially for

2nd and 3rd part but no one can appreciate some one who abuses others.Therefore

your act to use abusive words towards Mr.Bhaskar are not acceptable at

all.First " VIDYA DADAATI VINAYAM " plz keep in mind always.

We all are so called learneds discussed here on Vedic subject not on any

political issue like foolish politicians.

Mr.Chandrashekhar,Mr.Bhaskar,Mr.Prafulla Gang and others are highly leaned

persons here.In fact we must learn to them by sharing their valuable

experciences in very positive manner keeping aside our fake egos.

I know Mr.Bhaskar very well.He is a very kind and helpful person. Sometimes he

seems Durvaasaa only against wrong and unlogical acts but he has a pious soul

like a Rishi.So i do request you to plz get round your abusive words showing

your apology.It will be your true greatness.

 

God bless

Shashie Shekhar

 

 

Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro wrote:

ll HARE RAM ll Dear Srinaadh,

Very nice!You explained very well,accurate,correct and exact as our Sages say

about the Navmansa.I am fully agreed with your statement.

 

God bless

Shashie Shekhar

 

 

Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

Dear Prafulla ji,

* No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not chart) " just like D1

chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

* No ancient text provide as the results for " aspects of planets in

Navamasa "

* Nor they give us the results to be predicted when planets are

placed " x house with reference to navamsa lagna "

 

I hope we are trying to study astrology as taught by the sages; If

not I don't have anything to say.

 

Love,

Sreenadh

 

 

, Prafulla Gang

wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh ji

>

> I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts using navamsa chart

(along with other D charts). Now how to assess D9 charts - can be

perspective. But - as most authors say - just like D1 chart.

>

> I request members to share their experience.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

> http://www.prafulla.net

>

> " The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to

be taken seriously. "

> ************************************************

>

>

> >

> > sreesog

> > Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> >

> > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so important?

> >

> > Dear Krishna ji,

> > ==>

> >> I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> >> as important as Rasi chart.

> > <==

> > * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only Navamsa. Navamsa chart

is

> > not as important as Rasi chart and it can never be, because it is

> > only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than other amsas due

to

> > the prior said reasons.

> > ==>

> >> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the overall

> >> strength of a planet?

> > <==

> > * Because the quality of earth determines the strength of the

> > plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per their importance.

> > ==>

> >> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart like

> >> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > <==

> > * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa. (There

is

> > no navamsa 'chart'.)

> >

> > ==>

> >> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated as if

> >> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > <==

> > * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa, it only means that.

> > When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means that. It is wrong

to

> > mix the two.

> > ==>

> >> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> > <==

> > * No, Yogas should not be looked in Navamsa 'chart'. But yes

yoga in

> > Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga. Because it is the

> > same principles as used in Rasi that are used to predict the

result

> > in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and houses are not

applicable

> > to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses should be considered in

> > Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient texts about aspect or

> > houses essentially mean that they are referring to Rasi chart.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Kolachina ji,

> >>

> >> It was interesting to read your comments on importance of the

> >> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> >> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my experience so

> >> far reading charts. However, I have still not understood what

> >> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being so

> >> important.

> >>

> >> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the overall

> >> strength of a planet?

> >> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart like

> >> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> >> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated as if

> >> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> >> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> >>

> >> By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa chart, it

> >> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make up two equal

> >> halves representing the native.

> >>

> >> I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa Chart. What I

> >> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an importance? What

> >> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of many varga

> >> charts!

> >>

> >> Regards,

> >> Krishna

> >>

> >> --- Satya Sai Kolachina wrote:

> >>

> >>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> >>>

> >>> I have been following this thread on karakamsa and both of

> >>> your

> >>> contributions.

> >>>

> >>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your valuable

> >>> inputs

> >>> you are providing to the astrological community. I would like

> >>> to

> >>> share my opinion (through my own experience).

> >>>

> >>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa chart alone

> >>> most

> >>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I found both the

> >>> approaches

> >>> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very valuable;

> >>> at the

> >>> same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as separate

> >>> chart (of

> >>> course without losing the context of the Rasi chart), since

> >>> any of

> >>> the varga charts will not give independent results if the Rasi

> >>> chart

> >>> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if the Rasi chart

> >>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in several

> >>> occassions in many of his articles and books that yogas viewed

> >>> in

> >>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa chart for

> >>> confirming

> >>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as a separate

> >>> chart,

> >>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose of checking

> >>> some

> >>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and aspects) in the

> >>> navamsa

> >>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana should be

> >>> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual influence at the

> >>> amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg. span. of Rasi.

> >>>

> >>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own house in the

> >>> rasi

> >>> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa chart, it is

> >>> condiered

> >>> as weakening of the actual strength shown in the Rasi. Why is

> >>> this

> >>> considered so? It is considered like that because, even though

> >>> the

> >>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still its

> >>> positioning

> >>> within that particular sector (here navamsa) has weakened it;

> >>> means,

> >>> within its own rasi, this particular sector is the weakest

> >>> point for

> >>> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it loses its

> >>> strength

> >>> considerably. This means there is a gradation of strengths for

> >>> the

> >>> planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa. The navamsa

> >>> position

> >>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement within the

> >>> rasi.

> >>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to both the

> >>> Rasi and

> >>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is weak in one of

> >>> them

> >>> that means half the weightage is lost. We may not give the

> >>> same

> >>> level of treatment to other vargas as we give to Navamsa; but

> >>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the extent that it can

> >>> be

> >>> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the promise given

> >>> by the

> >>> rasi chart).

> >>>

> >>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas in the rasi

> >>> chart

> >>> alone cannot and will not give expected results; I have

> >>> observed

> >>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> >>>

> >>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra both in the

> >>> 12th

> >>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not in the rasi

> >>> chart

> >>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the karakamsa

> >>> lagna). I am

> >>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented by Chandra)

> >>> and

> >>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the karakamsa is

> >>> brought

> >>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The sequence of

> >>> my life

> >>> events are better explained only if I consider karakamsa lagna

> >>> in

> >>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's opinion

> >>> here; I am

> >>> just saying that both approaches need to be considered on the

> >>> chart,

> >>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao always says.

> >>>

> >>> On the other hand, considering the specific rasi in the Rasi

> >>> chart

> >>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my Sukra is in

> >>> the 4th

> >>> house indicating my possession of a nice beautiful house, and

> >>> education/skills in arts (in addition to other traditional

> >>> education).

> >>>

> >>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to summarize

> >>> that

> >>> both your theories give results; but not necessarily in

> >>> isolation of

> >>> the other.

> >>>

> >>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> >>>

> >>> Best regards,

> >>> Satya S Kolachina

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> , Chandrashekhar

> >>> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>> Dear Pradeep,

> >>>>

> >>>> I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N. Rao.

> >>> First

> >>> there is

> >>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka though it

> >>> is

> >>> perhaps

> >>>> being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in

> >>> astrological

> >>>> translations many a times words are to be understood in the

> >>> context that

> >>>> they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha and

> >>> Swamsha

> >>> in

> >>>> alternate lines (almost) while indicating the results of

> >>> occupation of

> >>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in karakamsha

> >>> adhyaaya.

> >>>> This does not mean he is speaking about two different

> >>> parameters.

> >>> I

> >>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well versed in

> >>> interpretation

> >>>> of astrological texts will confirm this contention of mine

> >>> if he

> >>> is

> >>>> watching this discussion.

> >>>>

> >>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think that the results

> >>> indicated on

> >>>> the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the potential

> >>> promised by

> >>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived by the grahas in

> >>> rasi

> >>> chart,

> >>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to materialize. I

> >>> hope

> >>> this

> >>>> opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the

> >>> discussion on

> >>> the

> >>>> list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it is

> >>> worth.

> >>>>

> >>>> Take care,

> >>>> Chandrashekhar.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to the

> >>> Rashi

> >>> in

> >>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha has

> >>> one

> >>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning.

> >>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to the

> >>> Rashi

> >>> in

> >>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are some

> >>> shlokas

> >>> which

> >>>>> shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his view

> >>> point.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell this.Sometimes the

> >>>

> >>> answer and

> >>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by proper

> >>>

> >>>

> >> === message truncated ===

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

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ll HARE RAM ll Dear Sreenadh,

I appreciated you for your undersigned views regarding Navmansa specially for

2nd and 3rd part but no one can appreciate some one who abuses others.Therefore

your act to use abusive words towards Mr.Bhaskar are not acceptable at

all.First " VIDYA DADAATI VINAYAM " plz keep in mind always.

We all are so called learneds discussed here on Vedic subject not on any

political issue like foolish politicians.

Mr.Chandrashekhar,Mr.Bhaskar,Mr.Prafulla Gang and others are highly leaned

persons here.In fact we must learn to them by sharing their valuable

experciences in very positive manner keeping aside our fake egos.

I know Mr.Bhaskar very well.He is a very kind and helpful person. Sometimes he

seems Durvaasaa only against wrong and unlogical acts but he has a pious soul

like a Rishi.So i do request you to plz get round your abusive words showing

your apology.It will be your true greatness.

 

God bless

Shashie Shekhar

 

 

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ll HARE RAM ll Dear Sreenadh,

I appreciated you for your undersigned views regarding Navmansa specially for

2nd and 3rd part but no one can appreciate some one who abuses others.Therefore

your act to use abusive words towards Mr.Bhaskar are not acceptable at

all.First " VIDYA DADAATI VINAYAM " plz keep in mind always.

We all are so called learneds discussed here on Vedic subject not on any

political issue like foolish politicians.

Mr.Chandrashekhar,Mr.Bhaskar,Mr.Prafulla Gang and others are highly leaned

persons here.In fact we must learn to them by sharing their valuable

experciences in very positive manner keeping aside our fake egos.

I know Mr.Bhaskar very well.He is a very kind and helpful person. Sometimes he

seems Durvaasaa only against wrong and unlogical acts but he has a pious soul

like a Rishi.So i do request you to plz get round your abusive words showing

your apology.It will be your true greatness.

 

God bless

Shashie Shekhar

 

Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

Dear Swati ji,

Hopefully i think i am free to restate the views of some of the

ancient scholars i think - or am i not free. What do u think.

There is many thing 'NEW' in jyotish - if you read some; but as you

know i am 'old' and would like to be so.

Also know that things always sprung from a purpose - if no kaul ji's

mail; it would not have been necessary that i have to become an

interpreter of vedas - in your words. ha .. ha .. it happens. life

is like that ..

P.S: Some body say that life is new every moment, some one else says

that there is nothing new, who is right and who is wrong? The point

is I should apply for a good set of spectacles!

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " healing spaces "

wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadhiji,

> I think all humans are interpreters of the vedas. U urself are an

> interpretator. We are no ones to Judge who is interpretating right

and

> wrong, on our fancies other than proof and case studies. So all

scholars in

> their own right are trying to interpret! there is nothing NEW. in

Jyotish

> Swati

>

>

> On 7/5/07, Sreenadh wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shashie ji,

> > Thanks for the support to uphold the views of the sages against

the

> > modern interpreters and proponets of new methods.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > 40>,

> > Shashie Shekhar

> >

wrote:

> > >

> > > ll HARE RAM ll Dear Srinaadh,

> > > Very nice!You explained very well,accurate,correct and exact as

> > our Sages say about the Navmansa.I am fully agreed with your

> > statement.

> > >

> > > God bless

> > > Shashie Shekhar

> > >

> > >

> > > Sreenadh wrote:

> > > Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not chart) " just

like D1

> > > chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

> > > * No ancient text provide as the results for " aspects of

planets in

> > > Navamasa "

> > > * Nor they give us the results to be predicted when planets are

> > > placed " x house with reference to navamsa lagna "

> > >

> > > I hope we are trying to study astrology as taught by the sages;

If

> > > not I don't have anything to say.

> > >

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > >

> > > 40>,

> > Prafulla Gang

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > >

> > > > I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts using navamsa

chart

> > > (along with other D charts). Now how to assess D9 charts - can

be

> > > perspective. But - as most authors say - just like D1 chart.

> > > >

> > > > I request members to share their experience.

> > > >

> > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > http://www.prafulla.net

> > > >

> > > > " The right to be heard does not automatically include the

right

> > to

> > > be taken seriously. "

> > > > ************************************************

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > sreesog@

> > > > > Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> > > > > 40>

> > > > > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

important?

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > > ==>

> > > > >> I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> > > > >> as important as Rasi chart.

> > > > > <==

> > > > > * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only Navamsa. Navamsa

chart

> > > is

> > > > > not as important as Rasi chart and it can never be, because

it

> > is

> > > > > only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than other amsas

> > due

> > > to

> > > > > the prior said reasons.

> > > > > ==>

> > > > >> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

overall

> > > > >> strength of a planet?

> > > > > <==

> > > > > * Because the quality of earth determines the strength of

the

> > > > > plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per their

importance.

> > > > > ==>

> > > > >> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

like

> > > > >> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > <==

> > > > > * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa.

(There

> > > is

> > > > > no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > > > >

> > > > > ==>

> > > > >> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated

as

> > if

> > > > >> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > > <==

> > > > > * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa, it only means

> > that.

> > > > > When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means that. It is

> > wrong

> > > to

> > > > > mix the two.

> > > > > ==>

> > > > >> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> > > > > <==

> > > > > * No, Yogas should not be looked in Navamsa 'chart'. But yes

> > > yoga in

> > > > > Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga. Because it

is

> > the

> > > > > same principles as used in Rasi that are used to predict the

> > > result

> > > > > in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and houses are not

> > > applicable

> > > > > to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses should be

considered

> > in

> > > > > Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient texts about

aspect

> > or

> > > > > houses essentially mean that they are referring to Rasi

chart.

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > 40>,

> > Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Dear Kolachina ji,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> It was interesting to read your comments on importance of

the

> > > > >> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that Navamsa

chart

> > is

> > > > >> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my experience

so

> > > > >> far reading charts. However, I have still not understood

what

> > > > >> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being so

> > > > >> important.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

overall

> > > > >> strength of a planet?

> > > > >> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

like

> > > > >> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > >> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated

as

> > if

> > > > >> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > >> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> > > > >>

> > > > >> By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa

chart, it

> > > > >> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make up two

equal

> > > > >> halves representing the native.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa Chart.

What I

> > > > >> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an importance?

> > What

> > > > >> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of many

varga

> > > > >> charts!

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Regards,

> > > > >> Krishna

> > > > >>

> > > > >> --- Satya Sai Kolachina wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> I have been following this thread on karakamsa and both of

> > > > >>> your

> > > > >>> contributions.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your valuable

> > > > >>> inputs

> > > > >>> you are providing to the astrological community. I would

like

> > > > >>> to

> > > > >>> share my opinion (through my own experience).

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa chart

alone

> > > > >>> most

> > > > >>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I found both the

> > > > >>> approaches

> > > > >>> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very

valuable;

> > > > >>> at the

> > > > >>> same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as separate

> > > > >>> chart (of

> > > > >>> course without losing the context of the Rasi chart),

since

> > > > >>> any of

> > > > >>> the varga charts will not give independent results if the

Rasi

> > > > >>> chart

> > > > >>> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if the Rasi

chart

> > > > >>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in

several

> > > > >>> occassions in many of his articles and books that yogas

viewed

> > > > >>> in

> > > > >>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa chart for

> > > > >>> confirming

> > > > >>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as a

separate

> > > > >>> chart,

> > > > >>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose of

checking

> > > > >>> some

> > > > >>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and aspects) in the

> > > > >>> navamsa

> > > > >>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana should be

> > > > >>> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual influence

at the

> > > > >>> amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg. span. of

Rasi.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own house

in the

> > > > >>> rasi

> > > > >>> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa chart, it is

> > > > >>> condiered

> > > > >>> as weakening of the actual strength shown in the Rasi.

Why is

> > > > >>> this

> > > > >>> considered so? It is considered like that because, even

though

> > > > >>> the

> > > > >>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still its

> > > > >>> positioning

> > > > >>> within that particular sector (here navamsa) has weakened

it;

> > > > >>> means,

> > > > >>> within its own rasi, this particular sector is the weakest

> > > > >>> point for

> > > > >>> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it loses its

> > > > >>> strength

> > > > >>> considerably. This means there is a gradation of

strengths for

> > > > >>> the

> > > > >>> planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa. The navamsa

> > > > >>> position

> > > > >>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement within

the

> > > > >>> rasi.

> > > > >>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to both the

> > > > >>> Rasi and

> > > > >>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is weak in one

of

> > > > >>> them

> > > > >>> that means half the weightage is lost. We may not give the

> > > > >>> same

> > > > >>> level of treatment to other vargas as we give to Navamsa;

but

> > > > >>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the extent that

it can

> > > > >>> be

> > > > >>> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the promise

given

> > > > >>> by the

> > > > >>> rasi chart).

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas in the rasi

> > > > >>> chart

> > > > >>> alone cannot and will not give expected results; I have

> > > > >>> observed

> > > > >>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra both in the

> > > > >>> 12th

> > > > >>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not in the rasi

> > > > >>> chart

> > > > >>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the karakamsa

> > > > >>> lagna). I am

> > > > >>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented by

Chandra)

> > > > >>> and

> > > > >>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the karakamsa

is

> > > > >>> brought

> > > > >>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The sequence

of

> > > > >>> my life

> > > > >>> events are better explained only if I consider karakamsa

lagna

> > > > >>> in

> > > > >>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's opinion

> > > > >>> here; I am

> > > > >>> just saying that both approaches need to be considered on

the

> > > > >>> chart,

> > > > >>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao always

says.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> On the other hand, considering the specific rasi in the

Rasi

> > > > >>> chart

> > > > >>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my Sukra is

in

> > > > >>> the 4th

> > > > >>> house indicating my possession of a nice beautiful house,

and

> > > > >>> education/skills in arts (in addition to other traditional

> > > > >>> education).

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to

summarize

> > > > >>> that

> > > > >>> both your theories give results; but not necessarily in

> > > > >>> isolation of

> > > > >>> the other.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Best regards,

> > > > >>> Satya S Kolachina

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> 40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > >>> wrote:

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N. Rao.

> > > > >>> First

> > > > >>> there is

> > > > >>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka though

it

> > > > >>> is

> > > > >>> perhaps

> > > > >>>> being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in

> > > > >>> astrological

> > > > >>>> translations many a times words are to be understood in

the

> > > > >>> context that

> > > > >>>> they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha and

> > > > >>> Swamsha

> > > > >>> in

> > > > >>>> alternate lines (almost) while indicating the results of

> > > > >>> occupation of

> > > > >>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in

karakamsha

> > > > >>> adhyaaya.

> > > > >>>> This does not mean he is speaking about two different

> > > > >>> parameters.

> > > > >>> I

> > > > >>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well versed in

> > > > >>> interpretation

> > > > >>>> of astrological texts will confirm this contention of

mine

> > > > >>> if he

> > > > >>> is

> > > > >>>> watching this discussion.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think that the results

> > > > >>> indicated on

> > > > >>>> the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the

potential

> > > > >>> promised by

> > > > >>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived by the grahas in

> > > > >>> rasi

> > > > >>> chart,

> > > > >>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to

materialize. I

> > > > >>> hope

> > > > >>> this

> > > > >>>> opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the

> > > > >>> discussion on

> > > > >>> the

> > > > >>>> list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it is

> > > > >>> worth.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Take care,

> > > > >>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to

the

> > > > >>> Rashi

> > > > >>> in

> > > > >>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha

has

> > > > >>> one

> > > > >>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning.

> > > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to

the

> > > > >>> Rashi

> > > > >>> in

> > > > >>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are some

> > > > >>> shlokas

> > > > >>> which

> > > > >>>>> shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his view

> > > > >>> point.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell this.Sometimes

the

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> answer and

> > > > >>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by

proper

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>

> > > > >> === message truncated ===

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >

> > >

> > ________

> > > > > ______________

> > > > >> Be a PS3 game guru.

> > > > >> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and

previews at

> > > > > Games.

> > > > >> http://videogames./platform?platform=120121

> > > > >>

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Respected Shashie Sir,

I do welcome your very true,polite and educative words.In fact no one is

interested in true debate,a fake egoism is running here as " Uski kameej mujhse

safed kaise " .However it is fact that aspecting of planets is not applied in Shad

Vargas/Navmansa.While sometimes some placement of planets indicate as aspecting

but it is like " BHARAM " only.I am not supporting or opposing some one but the

truth is truth.At last i do request you to plz do not leave the Group.

 

Regards

Ratnaakar

 

Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro wrote:

ll HARE RAM ll Dear Sreenadh,

I appreciated you for your undersigned views regarding Navmansa specially for

2nd and 3rd part but no one can appreciate some one who abuses others.Therefore

your act to use abusive words towards Mr.Bhaskar are not acceptable at

all.First " VIDYA DADAATI VINAYAM " plz keep in mind always.

We all are so called learneds discussed here on Vedic subject not on any

political issue like foolish politicians.

Mr.Chandrashekhar,Mr.Bhaskar,Mr.Prafulla Gang and others are highly leaned

persons here.In fact we must learn to them by sharing their valuable

experciences in very positive manner keeping aside our fake egos.

I know Mr.Bhaskar very well.He is a very kind and helpful person. Sometimes he

seems Durvaasaa only against wrong and unlogical acts but he has a pious soul

like a Rishi.So i do request you to plz get round your abusive words showing

your apology.It will be your true greatness.

 

God bless

Shashie Shekhar

 

Sreenadh wrote:

Dear Swati ji,

Hopefully i think i am free to restate the views of some of the

ancient scholars i think - or am i not free. What do u think.

There is many thing 'NEW' in jyotish - if you read some; but as you

know i am 'old' and would like to be so.

Also know that things always sprung from a purpose - if no kaul ji's

mail; it would not have been necessary that i have to become an

interpreter of vedas - in your words. ha .. ha .. it happens. life

is like that ..

P.S: Some body say that life is new every moment, some one else says

that there is nothing new, who is right and who is wrong? The point

is I should apply for a good set of spectacles!

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " healing spaces "

wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadhiji,

> I think all humans are interpreters of the vedas. U urself are an

> interpretator. We are no ones to Judge who is interpretating right

and

> wrong, on our fancies other than proof and case studies. So all

scholars in

> their own right are trying to interpret! there is nothing NEW. in

Jyotish

> Swati

>

>

> On 7/5/07, Sreenadh wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shashie ji,

> > Thanks for the support to uphold the views of the sages against

the

> > modern interpreters and proponets of new methods.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > 40>,

> > Shashie Shekhar

> >

wrote:

> > >

> > > ll HARE RAM ll Dear Srinaadh,

> > > Very nice!You explained very well,accurate,correct and exact as

> > our Sages say about the Navmansa.I am fully agreed with your

> > statement.

> > >

> > > God bless

> > > Shashie Shekhar

> > >

> > >

> > > Sreenadh wrote:

> > > Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not chart) " just

like D1

> > > chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

> > > * No ancient text provide as the results for " aspects of

planets in

> > > Navamasa "

> > > * Nor they give us the results to be predicted when planets are

> > > placed " x house with reference to navamsa lagna "

> > >

> > > I hope we are trying to study astrology as taught by the sages;

If

> > > not I don't have anything to say.

> > >

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > >

> > > 40>,

> > Prafulla Gang

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > >

> > > > I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts using navamsa

chart

> > > (along with other D charts). Now how to assess D9 charts - can

be

> > > perspective. But - as most authors say - just like D1 chart.

> > > >

> > > > I request members to share their experience.

> > > >

> > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > http://www.prafulla.net

> > > >

> > > > " The right to be heard does not automatically include the

right

> > to

> > > be taken seriously. "

> > > > ************************************************

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > sreesog@

> > > > > Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> > > > > 40>

> > > > > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

important?

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > > ==>

> > > > >> I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> > > > >> as important as Rasi chart.

> > > > > <==

> > > > > * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only Navamsa. Navamsa

chart

> > > is

> > > > > not as important as Rasi chart and it can never be, because

it

> > is

> > > > > only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than other amsas

> > due

> > > to

> > > > > the prior said reasons.

> > > > > ==>

> > > > >> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

overall

> > > > >> strength of a planet?

> > > > > <==

> > > > > * Because the quality of earth determines the strength of

the

> > > > > plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per their

importance.

> > > > > ==>

> > > > >> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

like

> > > > >> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > <==

> > > > > * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa.

(There

> > > is

> > > > > no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > > > >

> > > > > ==>

> > > > >> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated

as

> > if

> > > > >> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > > <==

> > > > > * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa, it only means

> > that.

> > > > > When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means that. It is

> > wrong

> > > to

> > > > > mix the two.

> > > > > ==>

> > > > >> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> > > > > <==

> > > > > * No, Yogas should not be looked in Navamsa 'chart'. But yes

> > > yoga in

> > > > > Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga. Because it

is

> > the

> > > > > same principles as used in Rasi that are used to predict the

> > > result

> > > > > in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and houses are not

> > > applicable

> > > > > to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses should be

considered

> > in

> > > > > Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient texts about

aspect

> > or

> > > > > houses essentially mean that they are referring to Rasi

chart.

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > 40>,

> > Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Dear Kolachina ji,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> It was interesting to read your comments on importance of

the

> > > > >> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that Navamsa

chart

> > is

> > > > >> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my experience

so

> > > > >> far reading charts. However, I have still not understood

what

> > > > >> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being so

> > > > >> important.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

overall

> > > > >> strength of a planet?

> > > > >> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

like

> > > > >> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > >> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated

as

> > if

> > > > >> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > >> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> > > > >>

> > > > >> By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa

chart, it

> > > > >> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make up two

equal

> > > > >> halves representing the native.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa Chart.

What I

> > > > >> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an importance?

> > What

> > > > >> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of many

varga

> > > > >> charts!

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Regards,

> > > > >> Krishna

> > > > >>

> > > > >> --- Satya Sai Kolachina wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> I have been following this thread on karakamsa and both of

> > > > >>> your

> > > > >>> contributions.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your valuable

> > > > >>> inputs

> > > > >>> you are providing to the astrological community. I would

like

> > > > >>> to

> > > > >>> share my opinion (through my own experience).

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa chart

alone

> > > > >>> most

> > > > >>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I found both the

> > > > >>> approaches

> > > > >>> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very

valuable;

> > > > >>> at the

> > > > >>> same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as separate

> > > > >>> chart (of

> > > > >>> course without losing the context of the Rasi chart),

since

> > > > >>> any of

> > > > >>> the varga charts will not give independent results if the

Rasi

> > > > >>> chart

> > > > >>> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if the Rasi

chart

> > > > >>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in

several

> > > > >>> occassions in many of his articles and books that yogas

viewed

> > > > >>> in

> > > > >>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa chart for

> > > > >>> confirming

> > > > >>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as a

separate

> > > > >>> chart,

> > > > >>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose of

checking

> > > > >>> some

> > > > >>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and aspects) in the

> > > > >>> navamsa

> > > > >>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana should be

> > > > >>> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual influence

at the

> > > > >>> amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg. span. of

Rasi.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own house

in the

> > > > >>> rasi

> > > > >>> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa chart, it is

> > > > >>> condiered

> > > > >>> as weakening of the actual strength shown in the Rasi.

Why is

> > > > >>> this

> > > > >>> considered so? It is considered like that because, even

though

> > > > >>> the

> > > > >>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still its

> > > > >>> positioning

> > > > >>> within that particular sector (here navamsa) has weakened

it;

> > > > >>> means,

> > > > >>> within its own rasi, this particular sector is the weakest

> > > > >>> point for

> > > > >>> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it loses its

> > > > >>> strength

> > > > >>> considerably. This means there is a gradation of

strengths for

> > > > >>> the

> > > > >>> planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa. The navamsa

> > > > >>> position

> > > > >>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement within

the

> > > > >>> rasi.

> > > > >>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to both the

> > > > >>> Rasi and

> > > > >>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is weak in one

of

> > > > >>> them

> > > > >>> that means half the weightage is lost. We may not give the

> > > > >>> same

> > > > >>> level of treatment to other vargas as we give to Navamsa;

but

> > > > >>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the extent that

it can

> > > > >>> be

> > > > >>> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the promise

given

> > > > >>> by the

> > > > >>> rasi chart).

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas in the rasi

> > > > >>> chart

> > > > >>> alone cannot and will not give expected results; I have

> > > > >>> observed

> > > > >>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra both in the

> > > > >>> 12th

> > > > >>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not in the rasi

> > > > >>> chart

> > > > >>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the karakamsa

> > > > >>> lagna). I am

> > > > >>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented by

Chandra)

> > > > >>> and

> > > > >>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the karakamsa

is

> > > > >>> brought

> > > > >>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The sequence

of

> > > > >>> my life

> > > > >>> events are better explained only if I consider karakamsa

lagna

> > > > >>> in

> > > > >>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's opinion

> > > > >>> here; I am

> > > > >>> just saying that both approaches need to be considered on

the

> > > > >>> chart,

> > > > >>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao always

says.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> On the other hand, considering the specific rasi in the

Rasi

> > > > >>> chart

> > > > >>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my Sukra is

in

> > > > >>> the 4th

> > > > >>> house indicating my possession of a nice beautiful house,

and

> > > > >>> education/skills in arts (in addition to other traditional

> > > > >>> education).

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to

summarize

> > > > >>> that

> > > > >>> both your theories give results; but not necessarily in

> > > > >>> isolation of

> > > > >>> the other.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Best regards,

> > > > >>> Satya S Kolachina

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> 40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > >>> wrote:

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N. Rao.

> > > > >>> First

> > > > >>> there is

> > > > >>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka though

it

> > > > >>> is

> > > > >>> perhaps

> > > > >>>> being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in

> > > > >>> astrological

> > > > >>>> translations many a times words are to be understood in

the

> > > > >>> context that

> > > > >>>> they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha and

> > > > >>> Swamsha

> > > > >>> in

> > > > >>>> alternate lines (almost) while indicating the results of

> > > > >>> occupation of

> > > > >>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in

karakamsha

> > > > >>> adhyaaya.

> > > > >>>> This does not mean he is speaking about two different

> > > > >>> parameters.

> > > > >>> I

> > > > >>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well versed in

> > > > >>> interpretation

> > > > >>>> of astrological texts will confirm this contention of

mine

> > > > >>> if he

> > > > >>> is

> > > > >>>> watching this discussion.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think that the results

> > > > >>> indicated on

> > > > >>>> the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the

potential

> > > > >>> promised by

> > > > >>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived by the grahas in

> > > > >>> rasi

> > > > >>> chart,

> > > > >>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to

materialize. I

> > > > >>> hope

> > > > >>> this

> > > > >>>> opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the

> > > > >>> discussion on

> > > > >>> the

> > > > >>>> list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it is

> > > > >>> worth.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Take care,

> > > > >>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to

the

> > > > >>> Rashi

> > > > >>> in

> > > > >>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha

has

> > > > >>> one

> > > > >>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning.

> > > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to

the

> > > > >>> Rashi

> > > > >>> in

> > > > >>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are some

> > > > >>> shlokas

> > > > >>> which

> > > > >>>>> shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his view

> > > > >>> point.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell this.Sometimes

the

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> answer and

> > > > >>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by

proper

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>

> > > > >> === message truncated ===

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >

> > >

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> > > > >> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and

previews at

> > > > > Games.

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> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Respected Shashie Sir,

I do welcome your very true,polite and educative words.In fact no one is

interested in true debate,a fake egoism is running here as " Uski kameej mujhse

safed kaise " .However it is fact that aspecting of planets is not applied in Shad

Vargas/Navmansa.While sometimes some placement of planets indicate as aspecting

but it is like " BHARAM " only.I am not supporting or opposing some one but the

truth is truth.At last i do request you to plz do not leave the Group.

 

Regards

Ratnaakar

 

Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro wrote:

ll HARE RAM ll Dear Sreenadh,

I appreciated you for your undersigned views regarding Navmansa specially for

2nd and 3rd part but no one can appreciate some one who abuses others.Therefore

your act to use abusive words towards Mr.Bhaskar are not acceptable at

all.First " VIDYA DADAATI VINAYAM " plz keep in mind always.

We all are so called learneds discussed here on Vedic subject not on any

political issue like foolish politicians.

Mr.Chandrashekhar,Mr.Bhaskar,Mr.Prafulla Gang and others are highly leaned

persons here.In fact we must learn to them by sharing their valuable

experciences in very positive manner keeping aside our fake egos.

I know Mr.Bhaskar very well.He is a very kind and helpful person. Sometimes he

seems Durvaasaa only against wrong and unlogical acts but he has a pious soul

like a Rishi.So i do request you to plz get round your abusive words showing

your apology.It will be your true greatness.

 

God bless

Shashie Shekhar

 

Sreenadh wrote:

Dear Swati ji,

Hopefully i think i am free to restate the views of some of the

ancient scholars i think - or am i not free. What do u think.

There is many thing 'NEW' in jyotish - if you read some; but as you

know i am 'old' and would like to be so.

Also know that things always sprung from a purpose - if no kaul ji's

mail; it would not have been necessary that i have to become an

interpreter of vedas - in your words. ha .. ha .. it happens. life

is like that ..

P.S: Some body say that life is new every moment, some one else says

that there is nothing new, who is right and who is wrong? The point

is I should apply for a good set of spectacles!

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " healing spaces "

wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadhiji,

> I think all humans are interpreters of the vedas. U urself are an

> interpretator. We are no ones to Judge who is interpretating right

and

> wrong, on our fancies other than proof and case studies. So all

scholars in

> their own right are trying to interpret! there is nothing NEW. in

Jyotish

> Swati

>

>

> On 7/5/07, Sreenadh wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shashie ji,

> > Thanks for the support to uphold the views of the sages against

the

> > modern interpreters and proponets of new methods.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > 40>,

> > Shashie Shekhar

> >

wrote:

> > >

> > > ll HARE RAM ll Dear Srinaadh,

> > > Very nice!You explained very well,accurate,correct and exact as

> > our Sages say about the Navmansa.I am fully agreed with your

> > statement.

> > >

> > > God bless

> > > Shashie Shekhar

> > >

> > >

> > > Sreenadh wrote:

> > > Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not chart) " just

like D1

> > > chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

> > > * No ancient text provide as the results for " aspects of

planets in

> > > Navamasa "

> > > * Nor they give us the results to be predicted when planets are

> > > placed " x house with reference to navamsa lagna "

> > >

> > > I hope we are trying to study astrology as taught by the sages;

If

> > > not I don't have anything to say.

> > >

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > >

> > > 40>,

> > Prafulla Gang

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > >

> > > > I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts using navamsa

chart

> > > (along with other D charts). Now how to assess D9 charts - can

be

> > > perspective. But - as most authors say - just like D1 chart.

> > > >

> > > > I request members to share their experience.

> > > >

> > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > http://www.prafulla.net

> > > >

> > > > " The right to be heard does not automatically include the

right

> > to

> > > be taken seriously. "

> > > > ************************************************

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > sreesog@

> > > > > Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> > > > > 40>

> > > > > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

important?

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > > ==>

> > > > >> I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> > > > >> as important as Rasi chart.

> > > > > <==

> > > > > * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only Navamsa. Navamsa

chart

> > > is

> > > > > not as important as Rasi chart and it can never be, because

it

> > is

> > > > > only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than other amsas

> > due

> > > to

> > > > > the prior said reasons.

> > > > > ==>

> > > > >> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

overall

> > > > >> strength of a planet?

> > > > > <==

> > > > > * Because the quality of earth determines the strength of

the

> > > > > plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per their

importance.

> > > > > ==>

> > > > >> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

like

> > > > >> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > <==

> > > > > * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa.

(There

> > > is

> > > > > no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > > > >

> > > > > ==>

> > > > >> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated

as

> > if

> > > > >> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > > <==

> > > > > * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa, it only means

> > that.

> > > > > When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means that. It is

> > wrong

> > > to

> > > > > mix the two.

> > > > > ==>

> > > > >> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> > > > > <==

> > > > > * No, Yogas should not be looked in Navamsa 'chart'. But yes

> > > yoga in

> > > > > Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga. Because it

is

> > the

> > > > > same principles as used in Rasi that are used to predict the

> > > result

> > > > > in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and houses are not

> > > applicable

> > > > > to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses should be

considered

> > in

> > > > > Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient texts about

aspect

> > or

> > > > > houses essentially mean that they are referring to Rasi

chart.

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > 40>,

> > Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Dear Kolachina ji,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> It was interesting to read your comments on importance of

the

> > > > >> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that Navamsa

chart

> > is

> > > > >> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my experience

so

> > > > >> far reading charts. However, I have still not understood

what

> > > > >> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being so

> > > > >> important.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

overall

> > > > >> strength of a planet?

> > > > >> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

like

> > > > >> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > >> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated

as

> > if

> > > > >> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > >> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> > > > >>

> > > > >> By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa

chart, it

> > > > >> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make up two

equal

> > > > >> halves representing the native.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa Chart.

What I

> > > > >> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an importance?

> > What

> > > > >> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of many

varga

> > > > >> charts!

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Regards,

> > > > >> Krishna

> > > > >>

> > > > >> --- Satya Sai Kolachina wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> I have been following this thread on karakamsa and both of

> > > > >>> your

> > > > >>> contributions.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your valuable

> > > > >>> inputs

> > > > >>> you are providing to the astrological community. I would

like

> > > > >>> to

> > > > >>> share my opinion (through my own experience).

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa chart

alone

> > > > >>> most

> > > > >>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I found both the

> > > > >>> approaches

> > > > >>> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very

valuable;

> > > > >>> at the

> > > > >>> same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as separate

> > > > >>> chart (of

> > > > >>> course without losing the context of the Rasi chart),

since

> > > > >>> any of

> > > > >>> the varga charts will not give independent results if the

Rasi

> > > > >>> chart

> > > > >>> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if the Rasi

chart

> > > > >>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in

several

> > > > >>> occassions in many of his articles and books that yogas

viewed

> > > > >>> in

> > > > >>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa chart for

> > > > >>> confirming

> > > > >>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as a

separate

> > > > >>> chart,

> > > > >>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose of

checking

> > > > >>> some

> > > > >>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and aspects) in the

> > > > >>> navamsa

> > > > >>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana should be

> > > > >>> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual influence

at the

> > > > >>> amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg. span. of

Rasi.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own house

in the

> > > > >>> rasi

> > > > >>> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa chart, it is

> > > > >>> condiered

> > > > >>> as weakening of the actual strength shown in the Rasi.

Why is

> > > > >>> this

> > > > >>> considered so? It is considered like that because, even

though

> > > > >>> the

> > > > >>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still its

> > > > >>> positioning

> > > > >>> within that particular sector (here navamsa) has weakened

it;

> > > > >>> means,

> > > > >>> within its own rasi, this particular sector is the weakest

> > > > >>> point for

> > > > >>> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it loses its

> > > > >>> strength

> > > > >>> considerably. This means there is a gradation of

strengths for

> > > > >>> the

> > > > >>> planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa. The navamsa

> > > > >>> position

> > > > >>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement within

the

> > > > >>> rasi.

> > > > >>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to both the

> > > > >>> Rasi and

> > > > >>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is weak in one

of

> > > > >>> them

> > > > >>> that means half the weightage is lost. We may not give the

> > > > >>> same

> > > > >>> level of treatment to other vargas as we give to Navamsa;

but

> > > > >>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the extent that

it can

> > > > >>> be

> > > > >>> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the promise

given

> > > > >>> by the

> > > > >>> rasi chart).

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas in the rasi

> > > > >>> chart

> > > > >>> alone cannot and will not give expected results; I have

> > > > >>> observed

> > > > >>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra both in the

> > > > >>> 12th

> > > > >>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not in the rasi

> > > > >>> chart

> > > > >>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the karakamsa

> > > > >>> lagna). I am

> > > > >>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented by

Chandra)

> > > > >>> and

> > > > >>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the karakamsa

is

> > > > >>> brought

> > > > >>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The sequence

of

> > > > >>> my life

> > > > >>> events are better explained only if I consider karakamsa

lagna

> > > > >>> in

> > > > >>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's opinion

> > > > >>> here; I am

> > > > >>> just saying that both approaches need to be considered on

the

> > > > >>> chart,

> > > > >>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao always

says.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> On the other hand, considering the specific rasi in the

Rasi

> > > > >>> chart

> > > > >>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my Sukra is

in

> > > > >>> the 4th

> > > > >>> house indicating my possession of a nice beautiful house,

and

> > > > >>> education/skills in arts (in addition to other traditional

> > > > >>> education).

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to

summarize

> > > > >>> that

> > > > >>> both your theories give results; but not necessarily in

> > > > >>> isolation of

> > > > >>> the other.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Best regards,

> > > > >>> Satya S Kolachina

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> 40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > >>> wrote:

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N. Rao.

> > > > >>> First

> > > > >>> there is

> > > > >>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka though

it

> > > > >>> is

> > > > >>> perhaps

> > > > >>>> being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in

> > > > >>> astrological

> > > > >>>> translations many a times words are to be understood in

the

> > > > >>> context that

> > > > >>>> they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha and

> > > > >>> Swamsha

> > > > >>> in

> > > > >>>> alternate lines (almost) while indicating the results of

> > > > >>> occupation of

> > > > >>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in

karakamsha

> > > > >>> adhyaaya.

> > > > >>>> This does not mean he is speaking about two different

> > > > >>> parameters.

> > > > >>> I

> > > > >>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well versed in

> > > > >>> interpretation

> > > > >>>> of astrological texts will confirm this contention of

mine

> > > > >>> if he

> > > > >>> is

> > > > >>>> watching this discussion.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think that the results

> > > > >>> indicated on

> > > > >>>> the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the

potential

> > > > >>> promised by

> > > > >>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived by the grahas in

> > > > >>> rasi

> > > > >>> chart,

> > > > >>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to

materialize. I

> > > > >>> hope

> > > > >>> this

> > > > >>>> opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the

> > > > >>> discussion on

> > > > >>> the

> > > > >>>> list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it is

> > > > >>> worth.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Take care,

> > > > >>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to

the

> > > > >>> Rashi

> > > > >>> in

> > > > >>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha

has

> > > > >>> one

> > > > >>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning.

> > > > >>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to

the

> > > > >>> Rashi

> > > > >>> in

> > > > >>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are some

> > > > >>> shlokas

> > > > >>> which

> > > > >>>>> shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his view

> > > > >>> point.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell this.Sometimes

the

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> answer and

> > > > >>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by

proper

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>

> > > > >> === message truncated ===

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

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[Guest guest]

Respected Shashie Sir,

I do welcome your very true,polite and educative words.In fact no one is

interested in true debate,a fake egoism is running here as " Uski kameej mujhse

safed kaise " .However it is fact that aspecting of planets is not applied in Shad

Vargas/Navmansa.While sometimes some placement of planets indicate as aspecting

but it is like " BHARAM " only.I am not supporting or opposing some one but the

truth is truth.

 

Regards

Ratnaakar

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear all,

 

Shri Shashie Babu was very much pained at

the abuses hurled at me, and left the Forum

the very evening.So any communications to him,

should only be to re-invite him here. What

is the world without sages and sage like

persons ?

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, Ratnaakar <namra_nivedan wrote:

>

> Respected Shashie Sir,

> I do welcome your very true,polite and educative words.In fact no

one is interested in true debate,a fake egoism is running here as "

Uski kameej mujhse safed kaise " .However it is fact that aspecting of

planets is not applied in Shad Vargas/Navmansa.While sometimes some

placement of planets indicate as aspecting but it is like

" BHARAM " only.I am not supporting or opposing some one but the truth is

truth.

>

> Regards

> Ratnaakar

>

>

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