Why Navamsa Chart is so important?/Kaushi Agarwal

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, kaushi agarwal <kaushi_06

wrote:

>

> dont do email me.

>

> Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: Dear Sreenadh ji

>

> Well - who knows the truth? - Should the person making comment, be

construed to be as truth seeker - until they prove with the

application of the principles on the charts ( both ways - firstly

the wrong application of others; and secondly how to read in correct

way). Theorists without predictive support - has little relevance in

jyotish. But yes - if you can justify your statements by case

studies - then at least, I will hear with open mind.

>

> Understandably, I have been quoted to be " blind " to commentaries -

but my submission is that - give me one reason to accept the views

of " less read scholars " than to " well read scholars like Late

Santhanam / Shri KN Rao / Shri Sanjay rath / many others " . and More

so - as I do not " pretend " to know the sanskrit and do not " waste "

my time on " shloka business " with my " incomplete knowledge " . So I am

happy to be following better quality commentaries - who are

expalining with the case studies.

>

> Of course - each one makes his choice.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

> http://www.prafulla.net

>

> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> ************************************************

>

> >

> > sreesog

> > Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:00:31 -0000

> >

> > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so important?

> >

> > Dear Prafulla ji,

> > * Even if those things are not there in ancient texts every one

is

> > free to make or follow there own choice - yes, there is every

chance

> > that even such new methods might give true results - your

argument is

> > right.

> > * As far Sanskrit is concerned: Yes, it is your choice - when you

> > are blind to read and understand Sanskrit your self, and

understand

> > what is there and what not, of course you have to follow someone

who

> > says they see - you are right in that as well.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Well Sreenadh ji - at times, these issues become choice or

> > prejudices in our own form of reading model. Had there not been

any

> > substance in interpreting D9 charts - lot many stalwarts must not

> > have explored it - and I presume - many of them know better

> > sanskrit / jyotish (rather both) than all of us on the forum

> > collectively. So if at all - anyone wish to contest the

> > interpretation - then many of those stalwarts are the people -

must

> > be debated with. On the forum, where not many great sanskrit

> > scholars / jyotish researchers - the arguments may not have any

> > relevance.

> >>

> >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >> http://www.prafulla.net

> >>

> >> " The right to be heard does not automatically include the right

to

> > be taken seriously. "

> >> ************************************************

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>> sreesog@

> >>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:56:36 -0000

> >>>

> >>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so important?

> >>>

> >>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> >>> * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not chart) " just

like

> > D1

> >>> chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

> >>> * No ancient text provide as the results for " aspects of

planets

> > in

> >>> Navamasa "

> >>> * Nor they give us the results to be predicted when planets are

> >>> placed " x house with reference to navamsa lagna "

> >>>

> >>> I hope we are trying to study astrology as taught by the sages;

> > If

> >>> not I don't have anything to say.

> >>>

> >>> Love,

> >>> Sreenadh

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> >>> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> >>>>

> >>>> I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts using navamsa

chart

> >>> (along with other D charts). Now how to assess D9 charts - can

be

> >>> perspective. But - as most authors say - just like D1 chart.

> >>>>

> >>>> I request members to share their experience.

> >>>>

> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>> http://www.prafulla.net

> >>>>

> >>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically include the

right

> > to

> >>> be taken seriously. "

> >>>> ************************************************

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> sreesog@

> >>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so important?

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Dear Krishna ji,

> >>>>> ==>

> >>>>>> I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> >>>>>> as important as Rasi chart.

> >>>>> <==

> >>>>> * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only Navamsa. Navamsa

chart

> >>> is

> >>>>> not as important as Rasi chart and it can never be, because

it

> > is

> >>>>> only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than other amsas

due

> >>> to

> >>>>> the prior said reasons.

> >>>>> ==>

> >>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the overall

> >>>>>> strength of a planet?

> >>>>> <==

> >>>>> * Because the quality of earth determines the strength of the

> >>>>> plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per their

importance.

> >>>>> ==>

> >>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

like

> >>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> >>>>> <==

> >>>>> * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa.

(There

> >>> is

> >>>>> no navamsa 'chart'.)

> >>>>>

> >>>>> ==>

> >>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated

as

> > if

> >>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> >>>>> <==

> >>>>> * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa, it only means

> > that.

> >>>>> When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means that. It is

> > wrong

> >>> to

> >>>>> mix the two.

> >>>>> ==>

> >>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> >>>>> <==

> >>>>> * No, Yogas should not be looked in Navamsa 'chart'. But yes

> >>> yoga in

> >>>>> Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga. Because it

is

> > the

> >>>>> same principles as used in Rasi that are used to predict the

> >>> result

> >>>>> in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and houses are not

> >>> applicable

> >>>>> to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses should be

considered

> > in

> >>>>> Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient texts about

aspect

> > or

> >>>>> houses essentially mean that they are referring to Rasi

chart.

> >>>>> Love,

> >>>>> Sreenadh

> >>>>>

> >>>>> , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> >>>>> <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Dear Kolachina ji,

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> It was interesting to read your comments on importance of

the

> >>>>>> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that Navamsa

chart

> > is

> >>>>>> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my experience

so

> >>>>>> far reading charts. However, I have still not understood

what

> >>>>>> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being so

> >>>>>> important.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the overall

> >>>>>> strength of a planet?

> >>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

like

> >>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> >>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated

as

> > if

> >>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> >>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa

chart, it

> >>>>>> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make up two

equal

> >>>>>> halves representing the native.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa Chart.

What I

> >>>>>> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an importance?

> > What

> >>>>>> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of many

varga

> >>>>>> charts!

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Regards,

> >>>>>> Krishna

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> I have been following this thread on karakamsa and both of

> >>>>>>> your

> >>>>>>> contributions.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your valuable

> >>>>>>> inputs

> >>>>>>> you are providing to the astrological community. I would

like

> >>>>>>> to

> >>>>>>> share my opinion (through my own experience).

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa chart

alone

> >>>>>>> most

> >>>>>>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I found both the

> >>>>>>> approaches

> >>>>>>> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very

valuable;

> >>>>>>> at the

> >>>>>>> same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as separate

> >>>>>>> chart (of

> >>>>>>> course without losing the context of the Rasi chart), since

> >>>>>>> any of

> >>>>>>> the varga charts will not give independent results if the

Rasi

> >>>>>>> chart

> >>>>>>> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if the Rasi

chart

> >>>>>>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in several

> >>>>>>> occassions in many of his articles and books that yogas

viewed

> >>>>>>> in

> >>>>>>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa chart for

> >>>>>>> confirming

> >>>>>>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as a

separate

> >>>>>>> chart,

> >>>>>>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose of

checking

> >>>>>>> some

> >>>>>>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and aspects) in the

> >>>>>>> navamsa

> >>>>>>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana should be

> >>>>>>> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual influence at

the

> >>>>>>> amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg. span. of

Rasi.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own house in

the

> >>>>>>> rasi

> >>>>>>> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa chart, it is

> >>>>>>> condiered

> >>>>>>> as weakening of the actual strength shown in the Rasi. Why

is

> >>>>>>> this

> >>>>>>> considered so? It is considered like that because, even

though

> >>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still its

> >>>>>>> positioning

> >>>>>>> within that particular sector (here navamsa) has weakened

it;

> >>>>>>> means,

> >>>>>>> within its own rasi, this particular sector is the weakest

> >>>>>>> point for

> >>>>>>> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it loses its

> >>>>>>> strength

> >>>>>>> considerably. This means there is a gradation of strengths

for

> >>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>> planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa. The navamsa

> >>>>>>> position

> >>>>>>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement within

the

> >>>>>>> rasi.

> >>>>>>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to both the

> >>>>>>> Rasi and

> >>>>>>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is weak in one

of

> >>>>>>> them

> >>>>>>> that means half the weightage is lost. We may not give the

> >>>>>>> same

> >>>>>>> level of treatment to other vargas as we give to Navamsa;

but

> >>>>>>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the extent that it

can

> >>>>>>> be

> >>>>>>> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the promise

given

> >>>>>>> by the

> >>>>>>> rasi chart).

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas in the rasi

> >>>>>>> chart

> >>>>>>> alone cannot and will not give expected results; I have

> >>>>>>> observed

> >>>>>>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra both in the

> >>>>>>> 12th

> >>>>>>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not in the rasi

> >>>>>>> chart

> >>>>>>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the karakamsa

> >>>>>>> lagna). I am

> >>>>>>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented by Chandra)

> >>>>>>> and

> >>>>>>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the karakamsa is

> >>>>>>> brought

> >>>>>>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The sequence

of

> >>>>>>> my life

> >>>>>>> events are better explained only if I consider karakamsa

lagna

> >>>>>>> in

> >>>>>>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's opinion

> >>>>>>> here; I am

> >>>>>>> just saying that both approaches need to be considered on

the

> >>>>>>> chart,

> >>>>>>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao always

says.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> On the other hand, considering the specific rasi in the

Rasi

> >>>>>>> chart

> >>>>>>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my Sukra is in

> >>>>>>> the 4th

> >>>>>>> house indicating my possession of a nice beautiful house,

and

> >>>>>>> education/skills in arts (in addition to other traditional

> >>>>>>> education).

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to summarize

> >>>>>>> that

> >>>>>>> both your theories give results; but not necessarily in

> >>>>>>> isolation of

> >>>>>>> the other.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Best regards,

> >>>>>>> Satya S Kolachina

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> , Chandrashekhar

> >>>>>>> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N. Rao.

> >>>>>>> First

> >>>>>>> there is

> >>>>>>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka though

it

> >>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>> perhaps

> >>>>>>>> being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in

> >>>>>>> astrological

> >>>>>>>> translations many a times words are to be understood in

the

> >>>>>>> context that

> >>>>>>>> they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha and

> >>>>>>> Swamsha

> >>>>>>> in

> >>>>>>>> alternate lines (almost) while indicating the results of

> >>>>>>> occupation of

> >>>>>>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in karakamsha

> >>>>>>> adhyaaya.

> >>>>>>>> This does not mean he is speaking about two different

> >>>>>>> parameters.

> >>>>>>> I

> >>>>>>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well versed in

> >>>>>>> interpretation

> >>>>>>>> of astrological texts will confirm this contention of mine

> >>>>>>> if he

> >>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>> watching this discussion.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think that the results

> >>>>>>> indicated on

> >>>>>>>> the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the potential

> >>>>>>> promised by

> >>>>>>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived by the grahas in

> >>>>>>> rasi

> >>>>>>> chart,

> >>>>>>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to

materialize. I

> >>>>>>> hope

> >>>>>>> this

> >>>>>>>> opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the

> >>>>>>> discussion on

> >>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>> list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it is

> >>>>>>> worth.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Take care,

> >>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to the

> >>>>>>> Rashi

> >>>>>>> in

> >>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha has

> >>>>>>> one

> >>>>>>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning.

> >>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to the

> >>>>>>> Rashi

> >>>>>>> in

> >>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are some

> >>>>>>> shlokas

> >>>>>>> which

> >>>>>>>>> shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his view

> >>>>>>> point.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell this.Sometimes

the

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> answer and

> >>>>>>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by

proper

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>> === message truncated ===

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>

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