Why Navamsa Chart - Church is strong,but Earth is Round

July 6, 2007

Dear Bharat ji

Regarding Sanskrit you are absolutely right.We have to rely on

scholars who lived 1000's of years back,trained in uncorrupted

parampara,to understand Jyotish.For the same reason i give weightage

to their views.They know what is amsha and what is Rashi.

Contemporary scholars due to power of information technology,has

made their theories as original!!!what a pity?

Do you think -power of IT can cloud TRUTH?

From the screen of clouds like the FULL MOON ,TRUTH the Light of

Jyotish will come out and shine.

The planet is in fact physically placed.When we say he is in Aries

Rashi -He is physically placed in Aries Rashi.

When we say he is in Taurus Navamsha,yes he is physically placed in

Taurus ''NAVAMSHA'' within Aries Rashi.

But this Taurus Amsha is linked to Taurus Rashi.There is no physical

placement there!!!Imagine how the lord of a house relates back to

its House ,though placed elsewhere.Imagine why Shri Rath was able to

understand that amshaka is relating back to amsha.It is demonstrated

through examples.

Analysis are always w.r to Rashis.Can any individual translate

Lagnashadvarhgake shloka otherwise without violating rules set by

sages.Late Santhanam was honest.

It is a tough job,.Tougher than Galielios job.Church is strong...but

not for long.Truth alone will prevail.

Regds

Pradeep

, " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

<astrologyhindu wrote:

>

> Namaste Prafulla and others

>

> The major contention of those not using Navamsha not as a separate

chart is

> that physically the planets positions are shown by the Rashi chart

and

> cannot by any other chart. This is untrue. Kindly read below:

>

> Our eyes can only capture a certain frequency of light waves. If

we were

> able to see sight on a different frequency the world would change

and so

> would the planetary positions. There are deeper things to be seen

and known.

> One should not reject the idea of usage of Amshas as separate

charts,

> without proper scrutiny.

>

> I personally, do not use amshas as separate charts for a simple

reason that

> I do not know how to use them separately. I am waiting for

plausible

> answers. I do not stop others from using them, but, do get

dismayed at times

> when people justify things through any divisional charts. So many

rules

> should not be made that they are applicable to every human beings

chart and

> can be used to justify anything in life.

>

> Unlike Upanishads, which have bhashyas and a great lineage of

Teachers, we

> do not have the same for Astrology. Most of the texts are hidden,

burnt,

> destroyed, misrepresented, misquoted, etc. etc... People with no

knowledge

> of Sanskrit trying to decipher verses using Sri Apte dictionary.

They

> haven't the faintest idea on how Sanskrit verse can mean in 5-7

different

> ways. In such a scenario, it is difficult to rely on half

knowledge. It is

> better to have an open mind and use a principle when one has sound

knowledge

> of it.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 7/6/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep,

> >

> > Another important issue - In D9 charts reference - kalyan Varma

has given

> > hints for results for Sun aspecting venus; or mercury aspecting

venus. Since

> > they can never " aspect " in Rashi Kundli - the obvious reference

was to

> > Navamsa " chart " .

> >

> > I do not think, kalyan varma can be treated at par with current

age

> > scholars !!

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > http://www.prafulla.net

> >

> > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > ************************************************

> >

> > >

> > > jyotish <jyotish%40inbox.com>

> > > Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:23:15 -0800

> > > <%

40>

> > > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so important?

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh ji

> > >

> > > Well - who knows the truth? - Should the person making

comment, be

> > > construed to be as truth seeker - until they prove with the

application

> > > of the principles on the charts ( both ways - firstly the wrong

> > > application of others; and secondly how to read in correct

way).

> > > Theorists without predictive support - has little relevance in

jyotish.

> > > But yes - if you can justify your statements by case studies -

then at

> > > least, I will hear with open mind.

> > >

> > > Understandably, I have been quoted to be " blind " to

commentaries - but

> > my

> > > submission is that - give me one reason to accept the views

of " less

> > read

> > > scholars " than to " well read scholars like Late Santhanam /

Shri KN Rao

> > /

> > > Shri Sanjay rath / many others " . and More so - as I do

not " pretend " to

> > > know the sanskrit and do not " waste " my time on " shloka

business " with

> > my

> > > " incomplete knowledge " . So I am happy to be following better

quality

> > > commentaries - who are expalining with the case studies.

> > >

> > > Of course - each one makes his choice.

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > http://www.prafulla.net

> > >

> > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > ************************************************

> > >

> > >>

> > >> sreesog <sreesog%40>

> > >> Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:00:31 -0000

> > >> <%

40>

> > >> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so important?

> > >>

> > >> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > >> * Even if those things are not there in ancient texts every

one is

> > >> free to make or follow there own choice - yes, there is every

chance

> > >> that even such new methods might give true results - your

argument is

> > >> right.

> > >> * As far Sanskrit is concerned: Yes, it is your choice - when

you

> > >> are blind to read and understand Sanskrit your self, and

understand

> > >> what is there and what not, of course you have to follow

someone who

> > >> says they see - you are right in that as well.

> > >> Love,

> > >> Sreenadh

> > >>

> > >> <%

40>,

> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > >> wrote:

> > >>>

> > >>> Well Sreenadh ji - at times, these issues become choice or

> > >> prejudices in our own form of reading model. Had there not

been any

> > >> substance in interpreting D9 charts - lot many stalwarts must

not

> > >> have explored it - and I presume - many of them know better

> > >> sanskrit / jyotish (rather both) than all of us on the forum

> > >> collectively. So if at all - anyone wish to contest the

> > >> interpretation - then many of those stalwarts are the people -

must

> > >> be debated with. On the forum, where not many great sanskrit

> > >> scholars / jyotish researchers - the arguments may not have

any

> > >> relevance.

> > >>>

> > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > >>>

> > >>> " The right to be heard does not automatically include the

right to

> > >> be taken seriously. "

> > >>> ************************************************

> > >>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>> sreesog@

> > >>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:56:36 -0000

> > >>>> <%

40>

> > >>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

important?

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > >>>> * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not chart) " just

like

> > >> D1

> > >>>> chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

> > >>>> * No ancient text provide as the results for " aspects of

planets

> > >> in

> > >>>> Navamasa "

> > >>>> * Nor they give us the results to be predicted when planets

are

> > >>>> placed " x house with reference to navamsa lagna "

> > >>>>

> > >>>> I hope we are trying to study astrology as taught by the

sages;

> > >> If

> > >>>> not I don't have anything to say.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Love,

> > >>>> Sreenadh

> > >>>>

> > >>>> <%

40>,

> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > >>>> wrote:

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts using navamsa

chart

> > >>>> (along with other D charts). Now how to assess D9 charts -

can be

> > >>>> perspective. But - as most authors say - just like D1 chart.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> I request members to share their experience.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >>>>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically include the

right

> > >> to

> > >>>> be taken seriously. "

> > >>>>> ************************************************

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> sreesog@

> > >>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> > >>>>>> <%

40>

> > >>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

important?

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> Dear Krishna ji,

> > >>>>>> ==>

> > >>>>>>> I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> > >>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart.

> > >>>>>> <==

> > >>>>>> * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only Navamsa. Navamsa

chart

> > >>>> is

> > >>>>>> not as important as Rasi chart and it can never be,

because it

> > >> is

> > >>>>>> only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than other

amsas due

> > >>>> to

> > >>>>>> the prior said reasons.

> > >>>>>> ==>

> > >>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

overall

> > >>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > >>>>>> <==

> > >>>>>> * Because the quality of earth determines the strength of

the

> > >>>>>> plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per their

importance.

> > >>>>>> ==>

> > >>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

like

> > >>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > >>>>>> <==

> > >>>>>> * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa.

(There

> > >>>> is

> > >>>>>> no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> ==>

> > >>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be

treated as

> > >> if

> > >>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > >>>>>> <==

> > >>>>>> * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa, it only

means

> > >> that.

> > >>>>>> When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means that. It

is

> > >> wrong

> > >>>> to

> > >>>>>> mix the two.

> > >>>>>> ==>

> > >>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> > >>>>>> <==

> > >>>>>> * No, Yogas should not be looked in Navamsa 'chart'. But

yes

> > >>>> yoga in

> > >>>>>> Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga. Because

it is

> > >> the

> > >>>>>> same principles as used in Rasi that are used to predict

the

> > >>>> result

> > >>>>>> in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and houses are not

> > >>>> applicable

> > >>>>>> to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses should be

considered

> > >> in

> > >>>>>> Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient texts about

aspect

> > >> or

> > >>>>>> houses essentially mean that they are referring to Rasi

chart.

> > >>>>>> Love,

> > >>>>>> Sreenadh

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> <%

40>,

> > Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > >>>>>> <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Dear Kolachina ji,

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> It was interesting to read your comments on importance

of the

> > >>>>>>> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that Navamsa

chart

> > >> is

> > >>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my

experience so

> > >>>>>>> far reading charts. However, I have still not understood

what

> > >>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being so

> > >>>>>>> important.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

overall

> > >>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > >>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

like

> > >>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > >>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be

treated as

> > >> if

> > >>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > >>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa

chart, it

> > >>>>>>> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make up

two equal

> > >>>>>>> halves representing the native.

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa Chart.

What I

> > >>>>>>> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an

importance?

> > >> What

> > >>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of many

varga

> > >>>>>>> charts!

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Regards,

> > >>>>>>> Krishna

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> I have been following this thread on karakamsa and both

of

> > >>>>>>>> your

> > >>>>>>>> contributions.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your

valuable

> > >>>>>>>> inputs

> > >>>>>>>> you are providing to the astrological community. I

would like

> > >>>>>>>> to

> > >>>>>>>> share my opinion (through my own experience).

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa chart

alone

> > >>>>>>>> most

> > >>>>>>>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I found both the

> > >>>>>>>> approaches

> > >>>>>>>> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very

valuable;

> > >>>>>>>> at the

> > >>>>>>>> same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as

separate

> > >>>>>>>> chart (of

> > >>>>>>>> course without losing the context of the Rasi chart),

since

> > >>>>>>>> any of

> > >>>>>>>> the varga charts will not give independent results if

the Rasi

> > >>>>>>>> chart

> > >>>>>>>> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if the Rasi

chart

> > >>>>>>>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in

several

> > >>>>>>>> occassions in many of his articles and books that yogas

viewed

> > >>>>>>>> in

> > >>>>>>>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa chart

for

> > >>>>>>>> confirming

> > >>>>>>>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as a

separate

> > >>>>>>>> chart,

> > >>>>>>>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose of

checking

> > >>>>>>>> some

> > >>>>>>>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and aspects) in

the

> > >>>>>>>> navamsa

> > >>>>>>>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana should

be

> > >>>>>>>> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual influence

at the

> > >>>>>>>> amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg. span.

of Rasi.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own house

in the

> > >>>>>>>> rasi

> > >>>>>>>> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa chart, it

is

> > >>>>>>>> condiered

> > >>>>>>>> as weakening of the actual strength shown in the Rasi.

Why is

> > >>>>>>>> this

> > >>>>>>>> considered so? It is considered like that because, even

though

> > >>>>>>>> the

> > >>>>>>>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still its

> > >>>>>>>> positioning

> > >>>>>>>> within that particular sector (here navamsa) has

weakened it;

> > >>>>>>>> means,

> > >>>>>>>> within its own rasi, this particular sector is the

weakest

> > >>>>>>>> point for

> > >>>>>>>> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it loses its

> > >>>>>>>> strength

> > >>>>>>>> considerably. This means there is a gradation of

strengths for

> > >>>>>>>> the

> > >>>>>>>> planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa. The

navamsa

> > >>>>>>>> position

> > >>>>>>>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement

within the

> > >>>>>>>> rasi.

> > >>>>>>>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to both

the

> > >>>>>>>> Rasi and

> > >>>>>>>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is weak in

one of

> > >>>>>>>> them

> > >>>>>>>> that means half the weightage is lost. We may not give

the

> > >>>>>>>> same

> > >>>>>>>> level of treatment to other vargas as we give to

Navamsa; but

> > >>>>>>>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the extent that

it can

> > >>>>>>>> be

> > >>>>>>>> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the promise

given

> > >>>>>>>> by the

> > >>>>>>>> rasi chart).

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas in the

rasi

> > >>>>>>>> chart

> > >>>>>>>> alone cannot and will not give expected results; I have

> > >>>>>>>> observed

> > >>>>>>>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra both in

the

> > >>>>>>>> 12th

> > >>>>>>>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not in the

rasi

> > >>>>>>>> chart

> > >>>>>>>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the karakamsa

> > >>>>>>>> lagna). I am

> > >>>>>>>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented by

Chandra)

> > >>>>>>>> and

> > >>>>>>>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the

karakamsa is

> > >>>>>>>> brought

> > >>>>>>>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The

sequence of

> > >>>>>>>> my life

> > >>>>>>>> events are better explained only if I consider

karakamsa lagna

> > >>>>>>>> in

> > >>>>>>>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's

opinion

> > >>>>>>>> here; I am

> > >>>>>>>> just saying that both approaches need to be considered

on the

> > >>>>>>>> chart,

> > >>>>>>>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao always

says.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> On the other hand, considering the specific rasi in the

Rasi

> > >>>>>>>> chart

> > >>>>>>>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my Sukra

is in

> > >>>>>>>> the 4th

> > >>>>>>>> house indicating my possession of a nice beautiful

house, and

> > >>>>>>>> education/skills in arts (in addition to other

traditional

> > >>>>>>>> education).

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to

summarize

> > >>>>>>>> that

> > >>>>>>>> both your theories give results; but not necessarily in

> > >>>>>>>> isolation of

> > >>>>>>>> the other.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> Best regards,

> > >>>>>>>> Satya S Kolachina

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> <%

40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > >>>>>>>> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>> I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N.

Rao.

> > >>>>>>>> First

> > >>>>>>>> there is

> > >>>>>>>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka

though it

> > >>>>>>>> is

> > >>>>>>>> perhaps

> > >>>>>>>>> being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in

> > >>>>>>>> astrological

> > >>>>>>>>> translations many a times words are to be understood

in the

> > >>>>>>>> context that

> > >>>>>>>>> they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha

and

> > >>>>>>>> Swamsha

> > >>>>>>>> in

> > >>>>>>>>> alternate lines (almost) while indicating the results

of

> > >>>>>>>> occupation of

> > >>>>>>>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in

karakamsha

> > >>>>>>>> adhyaaya.

> > >>>>>>>>> This does not mean he is speaking about two different

> > >>>>>>>> parameters.

> > >>>>>>>> I

> > >>>>>>>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well versed

in

> > >>>>>>>> interpretation

> > >>>>>>>>> of astrological texts will confirm this contention of

mine

> > >>>>>>>> if he

> > >>>>>>>> is

> > >>>>>>>>> watching this discussion.

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think that the

results

> > >>>>>>>> indicated on

> > >>>>>>>>> the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the

potential

> > >>>>>>>> promised by

> > >>>>>>>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived by the grahas

in

> > >>>>>>>> rasi

> > >>>>>>>> chart,

> > >>>>>>>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to

materialize. I

> > >>>>>>>> hope

> > >>>>>>>> this

> > >>>>>>>>> opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the

> > >>>>>>>> discussion on

> > >>>>>>>> the

> > >>>>>>>>> list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it

is

> > >>>>>>>> worth.

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>> Take care,

> > >>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to

the

> > >>>>>>>> Rashi

> > >>>>>>>> in

> > >>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha

has

> > >>>>>>>> one

> > >>>>>>>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning.

> > >>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to

the

> > >>>>>>>> Rashi

> > >>>>>>>> in

> > >>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are some

> > >>>>>>>> shlokas

> > >>>>>>>> which

> > >>>>>>>>>> shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his

view

> > >>>>>>>> point.

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell

this.Sometimes the

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> answer and

> > >>>>>>>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by

proper

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> === message truncated ===

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>

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July 7, 2007

Namaste Sri Pradeep

You are lucky to be in Switzerland. It is home to one of the finest

scientific labs in the whole world. If you go meet a renowed physicist, they

shall share that the physical world as it is seen at a particular frequency

of light is one thing and at a different frequency of light is totally

another. The phenomenon of light and its frequency is the basis of Jyotish.

I'd like to keep an open mind about the physical placement of planets at

higher frequencies of Light. Though, I will only use aspects, etc in amshas

once I am clear how to use them. Till them I shall watch the fun of debates,

discussions, and see when something captures my mind.

Hope you can respect my independent view.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 7/6/07, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Bharat ji

>

> Regarding Sanskrit you are absolutely right.We have to rely on

> scholars who lived 1000's of years back,trained in uncorrupted

> parampara,to understand Jyotish.For the same reason i give weightage

> to their views.They know what is amsha and what is Rashi.

>

> Contemporary scholars due to power of information technology,has

> made their theories as original!!!what a pity?

> Do you think -power of IT can cloud TRUTH?

> From the screen of clouds like the FULL MOON ,TRUTH the Light of

> Jyotish will come out and shine.

>

> The planet is in fact physically placed.When we say he is in Aries

> Rashi -He is physically placed in Aries Rashi.

> When we say he is in Taurus Navamsha,yes he is physically placed in

> Taurus ''NAVAMSHA'' within Aries Rashi.

>

> But this Taurus Amsha is linked to Taurus Rashi.There is no physical

> placement there!!!Imagine how the lord of a house relates back to

> its House ,though placed elsewhere.Imagine why Shri Rath was able to

> understand that amshaka is relating back to amsha.It is demonstrated

> through examples.

>

> Analysis are always w.r to Rashis.Can any individual translate

> Lagnashadvarhgake shloka otherwise without violating rules set by

> sages.Late Santhanam was honest.

>

> It is a tough job,.Tougher than Galielios job.Church is strong...but

> not for long.Truth alone will prevail.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

> <%40>,

> " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> <astrologyhindu wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Prafulla and others

> >

> > The major contention of those not using Navamsha not as a separate

> chart is

> > that physically the planets positions are shown by the Rashi chart

> and

> > cannot by any other chart. This is untrue. Kindly read below:

> >

> > Our eyes can only capture a certain frequency of light waves. If

> we were

> > able to see sight on a different frequency the world would change

> and so

> > would the planetary positions. There are deeper things to be seen

> and known.

> > One should not reject the idea of usage of Amshas as separate

> charts,

> > without proper scrutiny.

> >

> > I personally, do not use amshas as separate charts for a simple

> reason that

> > I do not know how to use them separately. I am waiting for

> plausible

> > answers. I do not stop others from using them, but, do get

> dismayed at times

> > when people justify things through any divisional charts. So many

> rules

> > should not be made that they are applicable to every human beings

> chart and

> > can be used to justify anything in life.

> >

> > Unlike Upanishads, which have bhashyas and a great lineage of

> Teachers, we

> > do not have the same for Astrology. Most of the texts are hidden,

> burnt,

> > destroyed, misrepresented, misquoted, etc. etc... People with no

> knowledge

> > of Sanskrit trying to decipher verses using Sri Apte dictionary.

> They

> > haven't the faintest idea on how Sanskrit verse can mean in 5-7

> different

> > ways. In such a scenario, it is difficult to rely on half

> knowledge. It is

> > better to have an open mind and use a principle when one has sound

> knowledge

> > of it.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> > On 7/6/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > >

> > > Another important issue - In D9 charts reference - kalyan Varma

> has given

> > > hints for results for Sun aspecting venus; or mercury aspecting

> venus. Since

> > > they can never " aspect " in Rashi Kundli - the obvious reference

> was to

> > > Navamsa " chart " .

> > >

> > > I do not think, kalyan varma can be treated at par with current

> age

> > > scholars !!

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > http://www.prafulla.net

> > >

> > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > ************************************************

> > >

> > > >

> > > > jyotish <jyotish%40inbox.com>

> > > > Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:23:15 -0800

> > > >

<%40><%

> 40>

> > > > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so important?

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > >

> > > > Well - who knows the truth? - Should the person making

> comment, be

> > > > construed to be as truth seeker - until they prove with the

> application

> > > > of the principles on the charts ( both ways - firstly the wrong

> > > > application of others; and secondly how to read in correct

> way).

> > > > Theorists without predictive support - has little relevance in

> jyotish.

> > > > But yes - if you can justify your statements by case studies -

> then at

> > > > least, I will hear with open mind.

> > > >

> > > > Understandably, I have been quoted to be " blind " to

> commentaries - but

> > > my

> > > > submission is that - give me one reason to accept the views

> of " less

> > > read

> > > > scholars " than to " well read scholars like Late Santhanam /

> Shri KN Rao

> > > /

> > > > Shri Sanjay rath / many others " . and More so - as I do

> not " pretend " to

> > > > know the sanskrit and do not " waste " my time on " shloka

> business " with

> > > my

> > > > " incomplete knowledge " . So I am happy to be following better

> quality

> > > > commentaries - who are expalining with the case studies.

> > > >

> > > > Of course - each one makes his choice.

> > > >

> > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > http://www.prafulla.net

> > > >

> > > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > ************************************************

> > > >

> > > >>

> > > >> sreesog <sreesog%40>

> > > >> Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:00:31 -0000

> > > >>

<%40><%

> 40>

> > > >> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so important?

> > > >>

> > > >> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > >> * Even if those things are not there in ancient texts every

> one is

> > > >> free to make or follow there own choice - yes, there is every

> chance

> > > >> that even such new methods might give true results - your

> argument is

> > > >> right.

> > > >> * As far Sanskrit is concerned: Yes, it is your choice - when

> you

> > > >> are blind to read and understand Sanskrit your self, and

> understand

> > > >> what is there and what not, of course you have to follow

> someone who

> > > >> says they see - you are right in that as well.

> > > >> Love,

> > > >> Sreenadh

> > > >>

> > > >> --- In

<%40><%

> 40>,

> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > >> wrote:

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Well Sreenadh ji - at times, these issues become choice or

> > > >> prejudices in our own form of reading model. Had there not

> been any

> > > >> substance in interpreting D9 charts - lot many stalwarts must

> not

> > > >> have explored it - and I presume - many of them know better

> > > >> sanskrit / jyotish (rather both) than all of us on the forum

> > > >> collectively. So if at all - anyone wish to contest the

> > > >> interpretation - then many of those stalwarts are the people -

> must

> > > >> be debated with. On the forum, where not many great sanskrit

> > > >> scholars / jyotish researchers - the arguments may not have

> any

> > > >> relevance.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > > >>>

> > > >>> " The right to be heard does not automatically include the

> right to

> > > >> be taken seriously. "

> > > >>> ************************************************

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> sreesog@

> > > >>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:56:36 -0000

> > > >>>>

<%40><%

> 40>

> > > >>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> important?

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > >>>> * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not chart) " just

> like

> > > >> D1

> > > >>>> chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

> > > >>>> * No ancient text provide as the results for " aspects of

> planets

> > > >> in

> > > >>>> Navamasa "

> > > >>>> * Nor they give us the results to be predicted when planets

> are

> > > >>>> placed " x house with reference to navamsa lagna "

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> I hope we are trying to study astrology as taught by the

> sages;

> > > >> If

> > > >>>> not I don't have anything to say.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Love,

> > > >>>> Sreenadh

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> --- In

<%40><%

> 40>,

> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > >>>> wrote:

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts using navamsa

> chart

> > > >>>> (along with other D charts). Now how to assess D9 charts -

> can be

> > > >>>> perspective. But - as most authors say - just like D1 chart.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> I request members to share their experience.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >>>>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically include the

> right

> > > >> to

> > > >>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > >>>>> ************************************************

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> sreesog@

> > > >>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> > > >>>>>> To:

<%40><%

> 40>

> > > >>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> important?

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> Dear Krishna ji,

> > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > >>>>>>> I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> > > >>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart.

> > > >>>>>> <==

> > > >>>>>> * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only Navamsa. Navamsa

> chart

> > > >>>> is

> > > >>>>>> not as important as Rasi chart and it can never be,

> because it

> > > >> is

> > > >>>>>> only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than other

> amsas due

> > > >>>> to

> > > >>>>>> the prior said reasons.

> > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > >>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

> overall

> > > >>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > >>>>>> <==

> > > >>>>>> * Because the quality of earth determines the strength of

> the

> > > >>>>>> plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per their

> importance.

> > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > >>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

> like

> > > >>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > >>>>>> <==

> > > >>>>>> * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa.

> (There

> > > >>>> is

> > > >>>>>> no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > >>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be

> treated as

> > > >> if

> > > >>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > >>>>>> <==

> > > >>>>>> * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa, it only

> means

> > > >> that.

> > > >>>>>> When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means that. It

> is

> > > >> wrong

> > > >>>> to

> > > >>>>>> mix the two.

> > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > >>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> > > >>>>>> <==

> > > >>>>>> * No, Yogas should not be looked in Navamsa 'chart'. But

> yes

> > > >>>> yoga in

> > > >>>>>> Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga. Because

> it is

> > > >> the

> > > >>>>>> same principles as used in Rasi that are used to predict

> the

> > > >>>> result

> > > >>>>>> in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and houses are not

> > > >>>> applicable

> > > >>>>>> to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses should be

> considered

> > > >> in

> > > >>>>>> Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient texts about

> aspect

> > > >> or

> > > >>>>>> houses essentially mean that they are referring to Rasi

> chart.

> > > >>>>>> Love,

> > > >>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> <%40>

> <%

> 40>,

> > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > >>>>>> <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Dear Kolachina ji,

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> It was interesting to read your comments on importance

> of the

> > > >>>>>>> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that Navamsa

> chart

> > > >> is

> > > >>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my

> experience so

> > > >>>>>>> far reading charts. However, I have still not understood

> what

> > > >>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being so

> > > >>>>>>> important.

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

> overall

> > > >>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > >>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

> like

> > > >>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > >>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be

> treated as

> > > >> if

> > > >>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > >>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa

> chart, it

> > > >>>>>>> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make up

> two equal

> > > >>>>>>> halves representing the native.

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa Chart.

> What I

> > > >>>>>>> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an

> importance?

> > > >> What

> > > >>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of many

> varga

> > > >>>>>>> charts!

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Regards,

> > > >>>>>>> Krishna

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> I have been following this thread on karakamsa and both

> of

> > > >>>>>>>> your

> > > >>>>>>>> contributions.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your

> valuable

> > > >>>>>>>> inputs

> > > >>>>>>>> you are providing to the astrological community. I

> would like

> > > >>>>>>>> to

> > > >>>>>>>> share my opinion (through my own experience).

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa chart

> alone

> > > >>>>>>>> most

> > > >>>>>>>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I found both the

> > > >>>>>>>> approaches

> > > >>>>>>>> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very

> valuable;

> > > >>>>>>>> at the

> > > >>>>>>>> same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as

> separate

> > > >>>>>>>> chart (of

> > > >>>>>>>> course without losing the context of the Rasi chart),

> since

> > > >>>>>>>> any of

> > > >>>>>>>> the varga charts will not give independent results if

> the Rasi

> > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > >>>>>>>> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if the Rasi

> chart

> > > >>>>>>>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in

> several

> > > >>>>>>>> occassions in many of his articles and books that yogas

> viewed

> > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > >>>>>>>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa chart

> for

> > > >>>>>>>> confirming

> > > >>>>>>>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as a

> separate

> > > >>>>>>>> chart,

> > > >>>>>>>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose of

> checking

> > > >>>>>>>> some

> > > >>>>>>>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and aspects) in

> the

> > > >>>>>>>> navamsa

> > > >>>>>>>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana should

> be

> > > >>>>>>>> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual influence

> at the

> > > >>>>>>>> amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg. span.

> of Rasi.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own house

> in the

> > > >>>>>>>> rasi

> > > >>>>>>>> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa chart, it

> is

> > > >>>>>>>> condiered

> > > >>>>>>>> as weakening of the actual strength shown in the Rasi.

> Why is

> > > >>>>>>>> this

> > > >>>>>>>> considered so? It is considered like that because, even

> though

> > > >>>>>>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still its

> > > >>>>>>>> positioning

> > > >>>>>>>> within that particular sector (here navamsa) has

> weakened it;

> > > >>>>>>>> means,

> > > >>>>>>>> within its own rasi, this particular sector is the

> weakest

> > > >>>>>>>> point for

> > > >>>>>>>> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it loses its

> > > >>>>>>>> strength

> > > >>>>>>>> considerably. This means there is a gradation of

> strengths for

> > > >>>>>>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>> planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa. The

> navamsa

> > > >>>>>>>> position

> > > >>>>>>>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement

> within the

> > > >>>>>>>> rasi.

> > > >>>>>>>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to both

> the

> > > >>>>>>>> Rasi and

> > > >>>>>>>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is weak in

> one of

> > > >>>>>>>> them

> > > >>>>>>>> that means half the weightage is lost. We may not give

> the

> > > >>>>>>>> same

> > > >>>>>>>> level of treatment to other vargas as we give to

> Navamsa; but

> > > >>>>>>>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the extent that

> it can

> > > >>>>>>>> be

> > > >>>>>>>> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the promise

> given

> > > >>>>>>>> by the

> > > >>>>>>>> rasi chart).

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas in the

> rasi

> > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > >>>>>>>> alone cannot and will not give expected results; I have

> > > >>>>>>>> observed

> > > >>>>>>>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra both in

> the

> > > >>>>>>>> 12th

> > > >>>>>>>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not in the

> rasi

> > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > >>>>>>>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the karakamsa

> > > >>>>>>>> lagna). I am

> > > >>>>>>>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented by

> Chandra)

> > > >>>>>>>> and

> > > >>>>>>>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the

> karakamsa is

> > > >>>>>>>> brought

> > > >>>>>>>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The

> sequence of

> > > >>>>>>>> my life

> > > >>>>>>>> events are better explained only if I consider

> karakamsa lagna

> > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > >>>>>>>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's

> opinion

> > > >>>>>>>> here; I am

> > > >>>>>>>> just saying that both approaches need to be considered

> on the

> > > >>>>>>>> chart,

> > > >>>>>>>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao always

> says.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> On the other hand, considering the specific rasi in the

> Rasi

> > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > >>>>>>>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my Sukra

> is in

> > > >>>>>>>> the 4th

> > > >>>>>>>> house indicating my possession of a nice beautiful

> house, and

> > > >>>>>>>> education/skills in arts (in addition to other

> traditional

> > > >>>>>>>> education).

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to

> summarize

> > > >>>>>>>> that

> > > >>>>>>>> both your theories give results; but not necessarily in

> > > >>>>>>>> isolation of

> > > >>>>>>>> the other.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> Best regards,

> > > >>>>>>>> Satya S Kolachina

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> --- In

<%40>

> <%

> 40>,

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > > >>>>>>>> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>> I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N.

> Rao.

> > > >>>>>>>> First

> > > >>>>>>>> there is

> > > >>>>>>>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka

> though it

> > > >>>>>>>> is

> > > >>>>>>>> perhaps

> > > >>>>>>>>> being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in

> > > >>>>>>>> astrological

> > > >>>>>>>>> translations many a times words are to be understood

> in the

> > > >>>>>>>> context that

> > > >>>>>>>>> they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha

> and

> > > >>>>>>>> Swamsha

> > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > >>>>>>>>> alternate lines (almost) while indicating the results

> of

> > > >>>>>>>> occupation of

> > > >>>>>>>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in

> karakamsha

> > > >>>>>>>> adhyaaya.

> > > >>>>>>>>> This does not mean he is speaking about two different

> > > >>>>>>>> parameters.

> > > >>>>>>>> I

> > > >>>>>>>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well versed

> in

> > > >>>>>>>> interpretation

> > > >>>>>>>>> of astrological texts will confirm this contention of

> mine

> > > >>>>>>>> if he

> > > >>>>>>>> is

> > > >>>>>>>>> watching this discussion.

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think that the

> results

> > > >>>>>>>> indicated on

> > > >>>>>>>>> the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the

> potential

> > > >>>>>>>> promised by

> > > >>>>>>>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived by the grahas

> in

> > > >>>>>>>> rasi

> > > >>>>>>>> chart,

> > > >>>>>>>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to

> materialize. I

> > > >>>>>>>> hope

> > > >>>>>>>> this

> > > >>>>>>>>> opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the

> > > >>>>>>>> discussion on

> > > >>>>>>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>>> list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it

> is

> > > >>>>>>>> worth.

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>> Take care,

> > > >>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to

> the

> > > >>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > >>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha

> has

> > > >>>>>>>> one

> > > >>>>>>>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning.

> > > >>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to

> the

> > > >>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > >>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are some

> > > >>>>>>>> shlokas

> > > >>>>>>>> which

> > > >>>>>>>>>> shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his

> view

> > > >>>>>>>> point.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell

> this.Sometimes the

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> answer and

> > > >>>>>>>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by

> proper

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> === message truncated ===

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>

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> > > >>>>>> ______________

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> > > >>>>>>

July 7, 2007

Dear Bharat,

I have observed your writings on and off and you seem to belong to a

civilized lot and at the same time having an independent mind. You

respect senior members & at the same time do not blindly follow them.

This is the Lakshana of a good astrologer to become.

You may not know me, I am an old member of some forums having gone out

of astrology for some time.

I have few queries on some charts, can I post it to you privately. Two

charts in the lot belong to semi celebs hence would not want to discuss

it here openly as they have asked me not to do so.

If you give me your email id I would post them to you if you are

willing.

Regards,

Sushmita

, " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

<astrologyhindu wrote:

>

> Namaste Sri Pradeep

> You are lucky to be in Switzerland. It is home to one of the finest

> scientific labs in the whole world. If you go meet a renowed

physicist, they

> shall share that the physical world as it is seen at a particular

frequency

> of light is one thing and at a different frequency of light is totally

> another. The phenomenon of light and its frequency is the basis of

Jyotish.

>

> I'd like to keep an open mind about the physical placement of planets

at

> higher frequencies of Light. Though, I will only use aspects, etc in

amshas

> once I am clear how to use them. Till them I shall watch the fun of

debates,

> discussions, and see when something captures my mind.

>

> Hope you can respect my independent view.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 7/6/07, vijayadas_pradeep vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bharat ji

> >

> > Regarding Sanskrit you are absolutely right.We have to rely on

> > scholars who lived 1000's of years back,trained in uncorrupted

> > parampara,to understand Jyotish.For the same reason i give weightage

> > to their views.They know what is amsha and what is Rashi.

> >

> > Contemporary scholars due to power of information technology,has

> > made their theories as original!!!what a pity?

> > Do you think -power of IT can cloud TRUTH?

> > From the screen of clouds like the FULL MOON ,TRUTH the Light of

> > Jyotish will come out and shine.

> >

> > The planet is in fact physically placed.When we say he is in Aries

> > Rashi -He is physically placed in Aries Rashi.

> > When we say he is in Taurus Navamsha,yes he is physically placed in

> > Taurus ''NAVAMSHA'' within Aries Rashi.

> >

> > But this Taurus Amsha is linked to Taurus Rashi.There is no physical

> > placement there!!!Imagine how the lord of a house relates back to

> > its House ,though placed elsewhere.Imagine why Shri Rath was able to

> > understand that amshaka is relating back to amsha.It is demonstrated

> > through examples.

> >

> > Analysis are always w.r to Rashis.Can any individual translate

> > Lagnashadvarhgake shloka otherwise without violating rules set by

> > sages.Late Santhanam was honest.

> >

> > It is a tough job,.Tougher than Galielios job.Church is strong...but

> > not for long.Truth alone will prevail.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> >

<%40>,

> > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> > astrologyhindu@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Prafulla and others

> > >

> > > The major contention of those not using Navamsha not as a separate

> > chart is

> > > that physically the planets positions are shown by the Rashi chart

> > and

> > > cannot by any other chart. This is untrue. Kindly read below:

> > >

> > > Our eyes can only capture a certain frequency of light waves. If

> > we were

> > > able to see sight on a different frequency the world would change

> > and so

> > > would the planetary positions. There are deeper things to be seen

> > and known.

> > > One should not reject the idea of usage of Amshas as separate

> > charts,

> > > without proper scrutiny.

> > >

> > > I personally, do not use amshas as separate charts for a simple

> > reason that

> > > I do not know how to use them separately. I am waiting for

> > plausible

> > > answers. I do not stop others from using them, but, do get

> > dismayed at times

> > > when people justify things through any divisional charts. So many

> > rules

> > > should not be made that they are applicable to every human beings

> > chart and

> > > can be used to justify anything in life.

> > >

> > > Unlike Upanishads, which have bhashyas and a great lineage of

> > Teachers, we

> > > do not have the same for Astrology. Most of the texts are hidden,

> > burnt,

> > > destroyed, misrepresented, misquoted, etc. etc... People with no

> > knowledge

> > > of Sanskrit trying to decipher verses using Sri Apte dictionary.

> > They

> > > haven't the faintest idea on how Sanskrit verse can mean in 5-7

> > different

> > > ways. In such a scenario, it is difficult to rely on half

> > knowledge. It is

> > > better to have an open mind and use a principle when one has sound

> > knowledge

> > > of it.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > > On 7/6/07, Prafulla Gang jyotish@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > Another important issue - In D9 charts reference - kalyan Varma

> > has given

> > > > hints for results for Sun aspecting venus; or mercury aspecting

> > venus. Since

> > > > they can never " aspect " in Rashi Kundli - the obvious reference

> > was to

> > > > Navamsa " chart " .

> > > >

> > > > I do not think, kalyan varma can be treated at par with current

> > age

> > > > scholars !!

> > > >

> > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > http://www.prafulla.net

> > > >

> > > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > ************************************************

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > jyotish@ <jyotish%40inbox.com>

> > > > > Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:23:15 -0800

> > > > >

<%40><%

> > 40>

> > > > > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so important?

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Well - who knows the truth? - Should the person making

> > comment, be

> > > > > construed to be as truth seeker - until they prove with the

> > application

> > > > > of the principles on the charts ( both ways - firstly the

wrong

> > > > > application of others; and secondly how to read in correct

> > way).

> > > > > Theorists without predictive support - has little relevance in

> > jyotish.

> > > > > But yes - if you can justify your statements by case studies -

> > then at

> > > > > least, I will hear with open mind.

> > > > >

> > > > > Understandably, I have been quoted to be " blind " to

> > commentaries - but

> > > > my

> > > > > submission is that - give me one reason to accept the views

> > of " less

> > > > read

> > > > > scholars " than to " well read scholars like Late Santhanam /

> > Shri KN Rao

> > > > /

> > > > > Shri Sanjay rath / many others " . and More so - as I do

> > not " pretend " to

> > > > > know the sanskrit and do not " waste " my time on " shloka

> > business " with

> > > > my

> > > > > " incomplete knowledge " . So I am happy to be following better

> > quality

> > > > > commentaries - who are expalining with the case studies.

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course - each one makes his choice.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > >

> > > > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > ************************************************

> > > > >

> > > > >>

> > > > >> sreesog@ <sreesog%40>

> > > > >> Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:00:31 -0000

> > > > >>

<%40><%

> > 40>

> > > > >> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so important?

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > >> * Even if those things are not there in ancient texts every

> > one is

> > > > >> free to make or follow there own choice - yes, there is every

> > chance

> > > > >> that even such new methods might give true results - your

> > argument is

> > > > >> right.

> > > > >> * As far Sanskrit is concerned: Yes, it is your choice - when

> > you

> > > > >> are blind to read and understand Sanskrit your self, and

> > understand

> > > > >> what is there and what not, of course you have to follow

> > someone who

> > > > >> says they see - you are right in that as well.

> > > > >> Love,

> > > > >> Sreenadh

> > > > >>

> > > > >> --- In

<%40><JyotishGrou\

p%

> > 40>,

> > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > > >> wrote:

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Well Sreenadh ji - at times, these issues become choice or

> > > > >> prejudices in our own form of reading model. Had there not

> > been any

> > > > >> substance in interpreting D9 charts - lot many stalwarts must

> > not

> > > > >> have explored it - and I presume - many of them know better

> > > > >> sanskrit / jyotish (rather both) than all of us on the forum

> > > > >> collectively. So if at all - anyone wish to contest the

> > > > >> interpretation - then many of those stalwarts are the people

-

> > must

> > > > >> be debated with. On the forum, where not many great sanskrit

> > > > >> scholars / jyotish researchers - the arguments may not have

> > any

> > > > >> relevance.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> " The right to be heard does not automatically include the

> > right to

> > > > >> be taken seriously. "

> > > > >>> ************************************************

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> sreesog@

> > > > >>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:56:36 -0000

> > > > >>>>

<%40><%

> > 40>

> > > > >>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > important?

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > >>>> * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not chart) " just

> > like

> > > > >> D1

> > > > >>>> chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

> > > > >>>> * No ancient text provide as the results for " aspects of

> > planets

> > > > >> in

> > > > >>>> Navamasa "

> > > > >>>> * Nor they give us the results to be predicted when planets

> > are

> > > > >>>> placed " x house with reference to navamsa lagna "

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> I hope we are trying to study astrology as taught by the

> > sages;

> > > > >> If

> > > > >>>> not I don't have anything to say.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Love,

> > > > >>>> Sreenadh

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> --- In

<%40><JyotishGrou\

p%

> > 40>,

> > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > > >>>> wrote:

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts using navamsa

> > chart

> > > > >>>> (along with other D charts). Now how to assess D9 charts -

> > can be

> > > > >>>> perspective. But - as most authors say - just like D1

chart.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> I request members to share their experience.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >>>>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically include the

> > right

> > > > >> to

> > > > >>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > >>>>> ************************************************

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > >>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> > > > >>>>>> To:

<%40><jyotishgrou\

p%

> > 40>

> > > > >>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > important?

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > >>>>>>> I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> > > > >>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart.

> > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > >>>>>> * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only Navamsa. Navamsa

> > chart

> > > > >>>> is

> > > > >>>>>> not as important as Rasi chart and it can never be,

> > because it

> > > > >> is

> > > > >>>>>> only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than other

> > amsas due

> > > > >>>> to

> > > > >>>>>> the prior said reasons.

> > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > >>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

> > overall

> > > > >>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > >>>>>> * Because the quality of earth determines the strength of

> > the

> > > > >>>>>> plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per their

> > importance.

> > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > >>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

> > like

> > > > >>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > >>>>>> * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa.

> > (There

> > > > >>>> is

> > > > >>>>>> no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > >>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be

> > treated as

> > > > >> if

> > > > >>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > >>>>>> * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa, it only

> > means

> > > > >> that.

> > > > >>>>>> When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means that. It

> > is

> > > > >> wrong

> > > > >>>> to

> > > > >>>>>> mix the two.

> > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > >>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as

well?

> > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > >>>>>> * No, Yogas should not be looked in Navamsa 'chart'. But

> > yes

> > > > >>>> yoga in

> > > > >>>>>> Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga. Because

> > it is

> > > > >> the

> > > > >>>>>> same principles as used in Rasi that are used to predict

> > the

> > > > >>>> result

> > > > >>>>>> in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and houses are not

> > > > >>>> applicable

> > > > >>>>>> to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses should be

> > considered

> > > > >> in

> > > > >>>>>> Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient texts about

> > aspect

> > > > >> or

> > > > >>>>>> houses essentially mean that they are referring to Rasi

> > chart.

> > > > >>>>>> Love,

> > > > >>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> --- In

<%40>

> > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > >>>>>> <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Dear Kolachina ji,

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> It was interesting to read your comments on importance

> > of the

> > > > >>>>>>> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that Navamsa

> > chart

> > > > >> is

> > > > >>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my

> > experience so

> > > > >>>>>>> far reading charts. However, I have still not understood

> > what

> > > > >>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being so

> > > > >>>>>>> important.

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

> > overall

> > > > >>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > >>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

> > like

> > > > >>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > >>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be

> > treated as

> > > > >> if

> > > > >>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > >>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as

well?

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa

> > chart, it

> > > > >>>>>>> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make up

> > two equal

> > > > >>>>>>> halves representing the native.

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa Chart.

> > What I

> > > > >>>>>>> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an

> > importance?

> > > > >> What

> > > > >>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of many

> > varga

> > > > >>>>>>> charts!

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > >>>>>>> Krishna

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> I have been following this thread on karakamsa and both

> > of

> > > > >>>>>>>> your

> > > > >>>>>>>> contributions.

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your

> > valuable

> > > > >>>>>>>> inputs

> > > > >>>>>>>> you are providing to the astrological community. I

> > would like

> > > > >>>>>>>> to

> > > > >>>>>>>> share my opinion (through my own experience).

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa chart

> > alone

> > > > >>>>>>>> most

> > > > >>>>>>>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I found both

the

> > > > >>>>>>>> approaches

> > > > >>>>>>>> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very

> > valuable;

> > > > >>>>>>>> at the

> > > > >>>>>>>> same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as

> > separate

> > > > >>>>>>>> chart (of

> > > > >>>>>>>> course without losing the context of the Rasi chart),

> > since

> > > > >>>>>>>> any of

> > > > >>>>>>>> the varga charts will not give independent results if

> > the Rasi

> > > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > > >>>>>>>> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if the Rasi

> > chart

> > > > >>>>>>>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in

> > several

> > > > >>>>>>>> occassions in many of his articles and books that yogas

> > viewed

> > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > >>>>>>>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa chart

> > for

> > > > >>>>>>>> confirming

> > > > >>>>>>>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as a

> > separate

> > > > >>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > >>>>>>>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose of

> > checking

> > > > >>>>>>>> some

> > > > >>>>>>>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and aspects) in

> > the

> > > > >>>>>>>> navamsa

> > > > >>>>>>>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana should

> > be

> > > > >>>>>>>> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual influence

> > at the

> > > > >>>>>>>> amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg. span.

> > of Rasi.

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own house

> > in the

> > > > >>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > >>>>>>>> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa chart, it

> > is

> > > > >>>>>>>> condiered

> > > > >>>>>>>> as weakening of the actual strength shown in the Rasi.

> > Why is

> > > > >>>>>>>> this

> > > > >>>>>>>> considered so? It is considered like that because, even

> > though

> > > > >>>>>>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still its

> > > > >>>>>>>> positioning

> > > > >>>>>>>> within that particular sector (here navamsa) has

> > weakened it;

> > > > >>>>>>>> means,

> > > > >>>>>>>> within its own rasi, this particular sector is the

> > weakest

> > > > >>>>>>>> point for

> > > > >>>>>>>> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it loses

its

> > > > >>>>>>>> strength

> > > > >>>>>>>> considerably. This means there is a gradation of

> > strengths for

> > > > >>>>>>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>> planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa. The

> > navamsa

> > > > >>>>>>>> position

> > > > >>>>>>>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement

> > within the

> > > > >>>>>>>> rasi.

> > > > >>>>>>>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to both

> > the

> > > > >>>>>>>> Rasi and

> > > > >>>>>>>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is weak in

> > one of

> > > > >>>>>>>> them

> > > > >>>>>>>> that means half the weightage is lost. We may not give

> > the

> > > > >>>>>>>> same

> > > > >>>>>>>> level of treatment to other vargas as we give to

> > Navamsa; but

> > > > >>>>>>>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the extent that

> > it can

> > > > >>>>>>>> be

> > > > >>>>>>>> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the promise

> > given

> > > > >>>>>>>> by the

> > > > >>>>>>>> rasi chart).

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas in the

> > rasi

> > > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > > >>>>>>>> alone cannot and will not give expected results; I have

> > > > >>>>>>>> observed

> > > > >>>>>>>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra both in

> > the

> > > > >>>>>>>> 12th

> > > > >>>>>>>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not in the

> > rasi

> > > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > > >>>>>>>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the karakamsa

> > > > >>>>>>>> lagna). I am

> > > > >>>>>>>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented by

> > Chandra)

> > > > >>>>>>>> and

> > > > >>>>>>>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the

> > karakamsa is

> > > > >>>>>>>> brought

> > > > >>>>>>>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The

> > sequence of

> > > > >>>>>>>> my life

> > > > >>>>>>>> events are better explained only if I consider

> > karakamsa lagna

> > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > >>>>>>>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's

> > opinion

> > > > >>>>>>>> here; I am

> > > > >>>>>>>> just saying that both approaches need to be considered

> > on the

> > > > >>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > >>>>>>>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao always

> > says.

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> On the other hand, considering the specific rasi in the

> > Rasi

> > > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > > >>>>>>>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my Sukra

> > is in

> > > > >>>>>>>> the 4th

> > > > >>>>>>>> house indicating my possession of a nice beautiful

> > house, and

> > > > >>>>>>>> education/skills in arts (in addition to other

> > traditional

> > > > >>>>>>>> education).

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to

> > summarize

> > > > >>>>>>>> that

> > > > >>>>>>>> both your theories give results; but not necessarily in

> > > > >>>>>>>> isolation of

> > > > >>>>>>>> the other.

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> Best regards,

> > > > >>>>>>>> Satya S Kolachina

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> --- In

<%40>

> > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > >>>>>>>> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>> I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N.

> > Rao.

> > > > >>>>>>>> First

> > > > >>>>>>>> there is

> > > > >>>>>>>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka

> > though it

> > > > >>>>>>>> is

> > > > >>>>>>>> perhaps

> > > > >>>>>>>>> being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in

> > > > >>>>>>>> astrological

> > > > >>>>>>>>> translations many a times words are to be understood

> > in the

> > > > >>>>>>>> context that

> > > > >>>>>>>>> they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha

> > and

> > > > >>>>>>>> Swamsha

> > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > >>>>>>>>> alternate lines (almost) while indicating the results

> > of

> > > > >>>>>>>> occupation of

> > > > >>>>>>>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in

> > karakamsha

> > > > >>>>>>>> adhyaaya.

> > > > >>>>>>>>> This does not mean he is speaking about two different

> > > > >>>>>>>> parameters.

> > > > >>>>>>>> I

> > > > >>>>>>>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well versed

> > in

> > > > >>>>>>>> interpretation

> > > > >>>>>>>>> of astrological texts will confirm this contention of

> > mine

> > > > >>>>>>>> if he

> > > > >>>>>>>> is

> > > > >>>>>>>>> watching this discussion.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think that the

> > results

> > > > >>>>>>>> indicated on

> > > > >>>>>>>>> the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the

> > potential

> > > > >>>>>>>> promised by

> > > > >>>>>>>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived by the grahas

> > in

> > > > >>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > >>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > >>>>>>>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to

> > materialize. I

> > > > >>>>>>>> hope

> > > > >>>>>>>> this

> > > > >>>>>>>>> opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the

> > > > >>>>>>>> discussion on

> > > > >>>>>>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>> list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it

> > is

> > > > >>>>>>>> worth.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>> Take care,

> > > > >>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to

> > the

> > > > >>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha

> > has

> > > > >>>>>>>> one

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to

> > the

> > > > >>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are

some

> > > > >>>>>>>> shlokas

> > > > >>>>>>>> which

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his

> > view

> > > > >>>>>>>> point.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell

> > this.Sometimes the

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> answer and

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by

> > proper

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> === message truncated ===

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >> ________

> > > > >>>>>> ______________

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> > > > >>>>>>> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and

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> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>

July 7, 2007

Namaste Sri Sushmita

Thank you for your kind words.

You can send the charts to either of my email ids: astrologyhindu

hinduastrology. Let me warn you that I am not a great astrologer

or a highly learned one. And I usually stick to the Rashi chart.

I joined this group to learn from great masters. Almost all of them have

left this group. I sorely miss the writings of Sri K. N. Rao, Sri Finn

Windhall and others like them. In fact, I love reading the archives of this

group. Knowledge comes to the blessed. Maybe the Lord has something else in

store for us.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 7/7/07, sushmita34 <sushmita34 wrote:

>

> Dear Bharat,

> I have observed your writings on and off and you seem to belong to a

> civilized lot and at the same time having an independent mind. You

> respect senior members & at the same time do not blindly follow them.

> This is the Lakshana of a good astrologer to become.

>

> You may not know me, I am an old member of some forums having gone out

> of astrology for some time.

>

> I have few queries on some charts, can I post it to you privately. Two

> charts in the lot belong to semi celebs hence would not want to discuss

> it here openly as they have asked me not to do so.

>

> If you give me your email id I would post them to you if you are

> willing.

>

> Regards,

> Sushmita

>

> <%40>,

> " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> <astrologyhindu wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Sri Pradeep

> > You are lucky to be in Switzerland. It is home to one of the finest

> > scientific labs in the whole world. If you go meet a renowed

> physicist, they

> > shall share that the physical world as it is seen at a particular

> frequency

> > of light is one thing and at a different frequency of light is totally

> > another. The phenomenon of light and its frequency is the basis of

> Jyotish.

> >

> > I'd like to keep an open mind about the physical placement of planets

> at

> > higher frequencies of Light. Though, I will only use aspects, etc in

> amshas

> > once I am clear how to use them. Till them I shall watch the fun of

> debates,

> > discussions, and see when something captures my mind.

> >

> > Hope you can respect my independent view.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> > On 7/6/07, vijayadas_pradeep vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bharat ji

> > >

> > > Regarding Sanskrit you are absolutely right.We have to rely on

> > > scholars who lived 1000's of years back,trained in uncorrupted

> > > parampara,to understand Jyotish.For the same reason i give weightage

> > > to their views.They know what is amsha and what is Rashi.

> > >

> > > Contemporary scholars due to power of information technology,has

> > > made their theories as original!!!what a pity?

> > > Do you think -power of IT can cloud TRUTH?

> > > From the screen of clouds like the FULL MOON ,TRUTH the Light of

> > > Jyotish will come out and shine.

> > >

> > > The planet is in fact physically placed.When we say he is in Aries

> > > Rashi -He is physically placed in Aries Rashi.

> > > When we say he is in Taurus Navamsha,yes he is physically placed in

> > > Taurus ''NAVAMSHA'' within Aries Rashi.

> > >

> > > But this Taurus Amsha is linked to Taurus Rashi.There is no physical

> > > placement there!!!Imagine how the lord of a house relates back to

> > > its House ,though placed elsewhere.Imagine why Shri Rath was able to

> > > understand that amshaka is relating back to amsha.It is demonstrated

> > > through examples.

> > >

> > > Analysis are always w.r to Rashis.Can any individual translate

> > > Lagnashadvarhgake shloka otherwise without violating rules set by

> > > sages.Late Santhanam was honest.

> > >

> > > It is a tough job,.Tougher than Galielios job.Church is strong...but

> > > not for long.Truth alone will prevail.

> > >

> > > Regds

> > > Pradeep

> > > <%40>

> <%40>,

> > > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> > > astrologyhindu@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Prafulla and others

> > > >

> > > > The major contention of those not using Navamsha not as a separate

> > > chart is

> > > > that physically the planets positions are shown by the Rashi chart

> > > and

> > > > cannot by any other chart. This is untrue. Kindly read below:

> > > >

> > > > Our eyes can only capture a certain frequency of light waves. If

> > > we were

> > > > able to see sight on a different frequency the world would change

> > > and so

> > > > would the planetary positions. There are deeper things to be seen

> > > and known.

> > > > One should not reject the idea of usage of Amshas as separate

> > > charts,

> > > > without proper scrutiny.

> > > >

> > > > I personally, do not use amshas as separate charts for a simple

> > > reason that

> > > > I do not know how to use them separately. I am waiting for

> > > plausible

> > > > answers. I do not stop others from using them, but, do get

> > > dismayed at times

> > > > when people justify things through any divisional charts. So many

> > > rules

> > > > should not be made that they are applicable to every human beings

> > > chart and

> > > > can be used to justify anything in life.

> > > >

> > > > Unlike Upanishads, which have bhashyas and a great lineage of

> > > Teachers, we

> > > > do not have the same for Astrology. Most of the texts are hidden,

> > > burnt,

> > > > destroyed, misrepresented, misquoted, etc. etc... People with no

> > > knowledge

> > > > of Sanskrit trying to decipher verses using Sri Apte dictionary.

> > > They

> > > > haven't the faintest idea on how Sanskrit verse can mean in 5-7

> > > different

> > > > ways. In such a scenario, it is difficult to rely on half

> > > knowledge. It is

> > > > better to have an open mind and use a principle when one has sound

> > > knowledge

> > > > of it.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > Bharat

> > > >

> > > > On 7/6/07, Prafulla Gang jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > >

> > > > > Another important issue - In D9 charts reference - kalyan Varma

> > > has given

> > > > > hints for results for Sun aspecting venus; or mercury aspecting

> > > venus. Since

> > > > > they can never " aspect " in Rashi Kundli - the obvious reference

> > > was to

> > > > > Navamsa " chart " .

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not think, kalyan varma can be treated at par with current

> > > age

> > > > > scholars !!

> > > > >

> > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > >

> > > > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > ************************************************

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > jyotish@ <jyotish%40inbox.com>

> > > > > > Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:23:15 -0800

> > > > > > <%40>

> <%40><%

> > > 40>

> > > > > > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so important?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well - who knows the truth? - Should the person making

> > > comment, be

> > > > > > construed to be as truth seeker - until they prove with the

> > > application

> > > > > > of the principles on the charts ( both ways - firstly the

> wrong

> > > > > > application of others; and secondly how to read in correct

> > > way).

> > > > > > Theorists without predictive support - has little relevance in

> > > jyotish.

> > > > > > But yes - if you can justify your statements by case studies -

> > > then at

> > > > > > least, I will hear with open mind.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Understandably, I have been quoted to be " blind " to

> > > commentaries - but

> > > > > my

> > > > > > submission is that - give me one reason to accept the views

> > > of " less

> > > > > read

> > > > > > scholars " than to " well read scholars like Late Santhanam /

> > > Shri KN Rao

> > > > > /

> > > > > > Shri Sanjay rath / many others " . and More so - as I do

> > > not " pretend " to

> > > > > > know the sanskrit and do not " waste " my time on " shloka

> > > business " with

> > > > > my

> > > > > > " incomplete knowledge " . So I am happy to be following better

> > > quality

> > > > > > commentaries - who are expalining with the case studies.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Of course - each one makes his choice.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > ************************************************

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> sreesog@ <sreesog%40>

> > > > > >> Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:00:31 -0000

> > > > > >> <%40>

> <%40><%

> > > 40>

> > > > > >> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so important?

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > > >> * Even if those things are not there in ancient texts every

> > > one is

> > > > > >> free to make or follow there own choice - yes, there is every

> > > chance

> > > > > >> that even such new methods might give true results - your

> > > argument is

> > > > > >> right.

> > > > > >> * As far Sanskrit is concerned: Yes, it is your choice - when

> > > you

> > > > > >> are blind to read and understand Sanskrit your self, and

> > > understand

> > > > > >> what is there and what not, of course you have to follow

> > > someone who

> > > > > >> says they see - you are right in that as well.

> > > > > >> Love,

> > > > > >> Sreenadh

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> --- In

> <%40>

> <%40><JyotishGrou\

> p%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > > > >> wrote:

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Well Sreenadh ji - at times, these issues become choice or

> > > > > >> prejudices in our own form of reading model. Had there not

> > > been any

> > > > > >> substance in interpreting D9 charts - lot many stalwarts must

> > > not

> > > > > >> have explored it - and I presume - many of them know better

> > > > > >> sanskrit / jyotish (rather both) than all of us on the forum

> > > > > >> collectively. So if at all - anyone wish to contest the

> > > > > >> interpretation - then many of those stalwarts are the people

> -

> > > must

> > > > > >> be debated with. On the forum, where not many great sanskrit

> > > > > >> scholars / jyotish researchers - the arguments may not have

> > > any

> > > > > >> relevance.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > >>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> " The right to be heard does not automatically include the

> > > right to

> > > > > >> be taken seriously. "

> > > > > >>> ************************************************

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> sreesog@

> > > > > >>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:56:36 -0000

> > > > > >>>> <%40>

> <%40><%

> > > 40>

> > > > > >>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > important?

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > > >>>> * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not chart) " just

> > > like

> > > > > >> D1

> > > > > >>>> chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

> > > > > >>>> * No ancient text provide as the results for " aspects of

> > > planets

> > > > > >> in

> > > > > >>>> Navamasa "

> > > > > >>>> * Nor they give us the results to be predicted when planets

> > > are

> > > > > >>>> placed " x house with reference to navamsa lagna "

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> I hope we are trying to study astrology as taught by the

> > > sages;

> > > > > >> If

> > > > > >>>> not I don't have anything to say.

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> Love,

> > > > > >>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> --- In

> <%40>

> <%40><JyotishGrou\

> p%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > > > >>>> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts using navamsa

> > > chart

> > > > > >>>> (along with other D charts). Now how to assess D9 charts -

> > > can be

> > > > > >>>> perspective. But - as most authors say - just like D1

> chart.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> I request members to share their experience.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > >>>>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically include the

> > > right

> > > > > >> to

> > > > > >>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > > >>>>> ************************************************

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > > >>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> > > > > >>>>>> To:

> <%40>

> <%40><jyotishgrou\

> p%

> > > 40>

> > > > > >>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > important?

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > > >>>>>>> I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> > > > > >>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart.

> > > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > > >>>>>> * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only Navamsa. Navamsa

> > > chart

> > > > > >>>> is

> > > > > >>>>>> not as important as Rasi chart and it can never be,

> > > because it

> > > > > >> is

> > > > > >>>>>> only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than other

> > > amsas due

> > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > >>>>>> the prior said reasons.

> > > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > > >>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

> > > overall

> > > > > >>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > > >>>>>> * Because the quality of earth determines the strength of

> > > the

> > > > > >>>>>> plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per their

> > > importance.

> > > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > > >>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

> > > like

> > > > > >>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > > >>>>>> * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa.

> > > (There

> > > > > >>>> is

> > > > > >>>>>> no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > > >>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be

> > > treated as

> > > > > >> if

> > > > > >>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > > >>>>>> * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa, it only

> > > means

> > > > > >> that.

> > > > > >>>>>> When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means that. It

> > > is

> > > > > >> wrong

> > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > >>>>>> mix the two.

> > > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > > >>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as

> well?

> > > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > > >>>>>> * No, Yogas should not be looked in Navamsa 'chart'. But

> > > yes

> > > > > >>>> yoga in

> > > > > >>>>>> Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga. Because

> > > it is

> > > > > >> the

> > > > > >>>>>> same principles as used in Rasi that are used to predict

> > > the

> > > > > >>>> result

> > > > > >>>>>> in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and houses are not

> > > > > >>>> applicable

> > > > > >>>>>> to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses should be

> > > considered

> > > > > >> in

> > > > > >>>>>> Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient texts about

> > > aspect

> > > > > >> or

> > > > > >>>>>> houses essentially mean that they are referring to Rasi

> > > chart.

> > > > > >>>>>> Love,

> > > > > >>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> --- In

> <%40>

> > > <%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > >>>>>> <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>> Dear Kolachina ji,

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>> It was interesting to read your comments on importance

> > > of the

> > > > > >>>>>>> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that Navamsa

> > > chart

> > > > > >> is

> > > > > >>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my

> > > experience so

> > > > > >>>>>>> far reading charts. However, I have still not understood

> > > what

> > > > > >>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being so

> > > > > >>>>>>> important.

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

> > > overall

> > > > > >>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > > >>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

> > > like

> > > > > >>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > >>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be

> > > treated as

> > > > > >> if

> > > > > >>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > > >>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as

> well?

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>> By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa

> > > chart, it

> > > > > >>>>>>> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make up

> > > two equal

> > > > > >>>>>>> halves representing the native.

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>> I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa Chart.

> > > What I

> > > > > >>>>>>> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an

> > > importance?

> > > > > >> What

> > > > > >>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of many

> > > varga

> > > > > >>>>>>> charts!

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > > >>>>>>> Krishna

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>> I have been following this thread on karakamsa and both

> > > of

> > > > > >>>>>>>> your

> > > > > >>>>>>>> contributions.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your

> > > valuable

> > > > > >>>>>>>> inputs

> > > > > >>>>>>>> you are providing to the astrological community. I

> > > would like

> > > > > >>>>>>>> to

> > > > > >>>>>>>> share my opinion (through my own experience).

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa chart

> > > alone

> > > > > >>>>>>>> most

> > > > > >>>>>>>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I found both

> the

> > > > > >>>>>>>> approaches

> > > > > >>>>>>>> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very

> > > valuable;

> > > > > >>>>>>>> at the

> > > > > >>>>>>>> same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as

> > > separate

> > > > > >>>>>>>> chart (of

> > > > > >>>>>>>> course without losing the context of the Rasi chart),

> > > since

> > > > > >>>>>>>> any of

> > > > > >>>>>>>> the varga charts will not give independent results if

> > > the Rasi

> > > > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > >>>>>>>> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if the Rasi

> > > chart

> > > > > >>>>>>>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in

> > > several

> > > > > >>>>>>>> occassions in many of his articles and books that yogas

> > > viewed

> > > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > > >>>>>>>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa chart

> > > for

> > > > > >>>>>>>> confirming

> > > > > >>>>>>>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as a

> > > separate

> > > > > >>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > >>>>>>>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose of

> > > checking

> > > > > >>>>>>>> some

> > > > > >>>>>>>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and aspects) in

> > > the

> > > > > >>>>>>>> navamsa

> > > > > >>>>>>>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana should

> > > be

> > > > > >>>>>>>> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual influence

> > > at the

> > > > > >>>>>>>> amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg. span.

> > > of Rasi.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own house

> > > in the

> > > > > >>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > > >>>>>>>> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa chart, it

> > > is

> > > > > >>>>>>>> condiered

> > > > > >>>>>>>> as weakening of the actual strength shown in the Rasi.

> > > Why is

> > > > > >>>>>>>> this

> > > > > >>>>>>>> considered so? It is considered like that because, even

> > > though

> > > > > >>>>>>>> the

> > > > > >>>>>>>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still its

> > > > > >>>>>>>> positioning

> > > > > >>>>>>>> within that particular sector (here navamsa) has

> > > weakened it;

> > > > > >>>>>>>> means,

> > > > > >>>>>>>> within its own rasi, this particular sector is the

> > > weakest

> > > > > >>>>>>>> point for

> > > > > >>>>>>>> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it loses

> its

> > > > > >>>>>>>> strength

> > > > > >>>>>>>> considerably. This means there is a gradation of

> > > strengths for

> > > > > >>>>>>>> the

> > > > > >>>>>>>> planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa. The

> > > navamsa

> > > > > >>>>>>>> position

> > > > > >>>>>>>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement

> > > within the

> > > > > >>>>>>>> rasi.

> > > > > >>>>>>>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to both

> > > the

> > > > > >>>>>>>> Rasi and

> > > > > >>>>>>>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is weak in

> > > one of

> > > > > >>>>>>>> them

> > > > > >>>>>>>> that means half the weightage is lost. We may not give

> > > the

> > > > > >>>>>>>> same

> > > > > >>>>>>>> level of treatment to other vargas as we give to

> > > Navamsa; but

> > > > > >>>>>>>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the extent that

> > > it can

> > > > > >>>>>>>> be

> > > > > >>>>>>>> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the promise

> > > given

> > > > > >>>>>>>> by the

> > > > > >>>>>>>> rasi chart).

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas in the

> > > rasi

> > > > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > >>>>>>>> alone cannot and will not give expected results; I have

> > > > > >>>>>>>> observed

> > > > > >>>>>>>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra both in

> > > the

> > > > > >>>>>>>> 12th

> > > > > >>>>>>>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not in the

> > > rasi

> > > > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > >>>>>>>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the karakamsa

> > > > > >>>>>>>> lagna). I am

> > > > > >>>>>>>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented by

> > > Chandra)

> > > > > >>>>>>>> and

> > > > > >>>>>>>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the

> > > karakamsa is

> > > > > >>>>>>>> brought

> > > > > >>>>>>>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The

> > > sequence of

> > > > > >>>>>>>> my life

> > > > > >>>>>>>> events are better explained only if I consider

> > > karakamsa lagna

> > > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > > >>>>>>>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's

> > > opinion

> > > > > >>>>>>>> here; I am

> > > > > >>>>>>>> just saying that both approaches need to be considered

> > > on the

> > > > > >>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > >>>>>>>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao always

> > > says.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>> On the other hand, considering the specific rasi in the

> > > Rasi

> > > > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > >>>>>>>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my Sukra

> > > is in

> > > > > >>>>>>>> the 4th

> > > > > >>>>>>>> house indicating my possession of a nice beautiful

> > > house, and

> > > > > >>>>>>>> education/skills in arts (in addition to other

> > > traditional

> > > > > >>>>>>>> education).

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to

> > > summarize

> > > > > >>>>>>>> that

> > > > > >>>>>>>> both your theories give results; but not necessarily in

> > > > > >>>>>>>> isolation of

> > > > > >>>>>>>> the other.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>> Best regards,

> > > > > >>>>>>>> Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>> --- In

> <%40>

> > > <%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > >>>>>>>> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N.

> > > Rao.

> > > > > >>>>>>>> First

> > > > > >>>>>>>> there is

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka

> > > though it

> > > > > >>>>>>>> is

> > > > > >>>>>>>> perhaps

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in

> > > > > >>>>>>>> astrological

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> translations many a times words are to be understood

> > > in the

> > > > > >>>>>>>> context that

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha

> > > and

> > > > > >>>>>>>> Swamsha

> > > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> alternate lines (almost) while indicating the results

> > > of

> > > > > >>>>>>>> occupation of

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in

> > > karakamsha

> > > > > >>>>>>>> adhyaaya.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> This does not mean he is speaking about two different

> > > > > >>>>>>>> parameters.

> > > > > >>>>>>>> I

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well versed

> > > in

> > > > > >>>>>>>> interpretation

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> of astrological texts will confirm this contention of

> > > mine

> > > > > >>>>>>>> if he

> > > > > >>>>>>>> is

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> watching this discussion.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think that the

> > > results

> > > > > >>>>>>>> indicated on

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the

> > > potential

> > > > > >>>>>>>> promised by

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived by the grahas

> > > in

> > > > > >>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > > >>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to

> > > materialize. I

> > > > > >>>>>>>> hope

> > > > > >>>>>>>> this

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the

> > > > > >>>>>>>> discussion on

> > > > > >>>>>>>> the

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it

> > > is

> > > > > >>>>>>>> worth.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Take care,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to

> > > the

> > > > > >>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha

> > > has

> > > > > >>>>>>>> one

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to

> > > the

> > > > > >>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are

> some

> > > > > >>>>>>>> shlokas

> > > > > >>>>>>>> which

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his

> > > view

> > > > > >>>>>>>> point.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell

> > > this.Sometimes the

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>> answer and

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by

> > > proper

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>> === message truncated ===

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >> ________

> > > > > >>>>>> ______________

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> > > > > >>>>>>> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and

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> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>

July 8, 2007

Dar Bharat ji

Thanks for your kind words.

Yes light is the basis for the subtle phenomenon.It will explain how

amaha can relate to rashi or how amshas repeat as if in a spectrum.

But my point was simple.A planet is indeed physically placed in a

3.2 degree sector,navamsha sector.Then it will relate to its root

rashi as if a lord of a house relates to its house.It is tattwa and

you call it principel of light.

But the fact is it is physically placed in a kshethra of a planet

and within it in the amsha of another planet.Analsyis is always

based on rashis of 30 degree sectr.That is why Bhava is

Riksha/Rashi/Kshethra.

I respect your view and balance opinion.Me too will not use anything

that is not clear or that is not mentioned by the sages.Why should i

build wrong theroies based on assumptions?Let us analyze with known

principles.There are thousand of principles which i am yet to read

regarding amshas,not bhavas there of.

Regds

Pradeep

, " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

<astrologyhindu wrote:

>

> Namaste Sri Pradeep

> You are lucky to be in Switzerland. It is home to one of the finest

> scientific labs in the whole world. If you go meet a renowed

physicist, they

> shall share that the physical world as it is seen at a particular

frequency

> of light is one thing and at a different frequency of light is

totally

> another. The phenomenon of light and its frequency is the basis of

Jyotish.

>

> I'd like to keep an open mind about the physical placement of

planets at

> higher frequencies of Light. Though, I will only use aspects, etc

in amshas

> once I am clear how to use them. Till them I shall watch the fun

of debates,

> discussions, and see when something captures my mind.

>

> Hope you can respect my independent view.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 7/6/07, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bharat ji

> >

> > Regarding Sanskrit you are absolutely right.We have to rely on

> > scholars who lived 1000's of years back,trained in uncorrupted

> > parampara,to understand Jyotish.For the same reason i give

weightage

> > to their views.They know what is amsha and what is Rashi.

> >

> > Contemporary scholars due to power of information technology,has

> > made their theories as original!!!what a pity?

> > Do you think -power of IT can cloud TRUTH?

> > From the screen of clouds like the FULL MOON ,TRUTH the Light of

> > Jyotish will come out and shine.

> >

> > The planet is in fact physically placed.When we say he is in

Aries

> > Rashi -He is physically placed in Aries Rashi.

> > When we say he is in Taurus Navamsha,yes he is physically placed

in

> > Taurus ''NAVAMSHA'' within Aries Rashi.

> >

> > But this Taurus Amsha is linked to Taurus Rashi.There is no

physical

> > placement there!!!Imagine how the lord of a house relates back to

> > its House ,though placed elsewhere.Imagine why Shri Rath was

able to

> > understand that amshaka is relating back to amsha.It is

demonstrated

> > through examples.

> >

> > Analysis are always w.r to Rashis.Can any individual translate

> > Lagnashadvarhgake shloka otherwise without violating rules set by

> > sages.Late Santhanam was honest.

> >

> > It is a tough job,.Tougher than Galielios job.Church is

strong...but

> > not for long.Truth alone will prevail.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> > <%

40>,

> > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> > <astrologyhindu@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Prafulla and others

> > >

> > > The major contention of those not using Navamsha not as a

separate

> > chart is

> > > that physically the planets positions are shown by the Rashi

chart

> > and

> > > cannot by any other chart. This is untrue. Kindly read below:

> > >

> > > Our eyes can only capture a certain frequency of light waves.

If

> > we were

> > > able to see sight on a different frequency the world would

change

> > and so

> > > would the planetary positions. There are deeper things to be

seen

> > and known.

> > > One should not reject the idea of usage of Amshas as separate

> > charts,

> > > without proper scrutiny.

> > >

> > > I personally, do not use amshas as separate charts for a simple

> > reason that

> > > I do not know how to use them separately. I am waiting for

> > plausible

> > > answers. I do not stop others from using them, but, do get

> > dismayed at times

> > > when people justify things through any divisional charts. So

many

> > rules

> > > should not be made that they are applicable to every human

beings

> > chart and

> > > can be used to justify anything in life.

> > >

> > > Unlike Upanishads, which have bhashyas and a great lineage of

> > Teachers, we

> > > do not have the same for Astrology. Most of the texts are

hidden,

> > burnt,

> > > destroyed, misrepresented, misquoted, etc. etc... People with

no

> > knowledge

> > > of Sanskrit trying to decipher verses using Sri Apte

dictionary.

> > They

> > > haven't the faintest idea on how Sanskrit verse can mean in 5-7

> > different

> > > ways. In such a scenario, it is difficult to rely on half

> > knowledge. It is

> > > better to have an open mind and use a principle when one has

sound

> > knowledge

> > > of it.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > > On 7/6/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > Another important issue - In D9 charts reference - kalyan

Varma

> > has given

> > > > hints for results for Sun aspecting venus; or mercury

aspecting

> > venus. Since

> > > > they can never " aspect " in Rashi Kundli - the obvious

reference

> > was to

> > > > Navamsa " chart " .

> > > >

> > > > I do not think, kalyan varma can be treated at par with

current

> > age

> > > > scholars !!

> > > >

> > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > http://www.prafulla.net

> > > >

> > > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > ************************************************

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > jyotish@ <jyotish%40inbox.com>

> > > > > Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:23:15 -0800

> > > > > <%

40><%

> > 40>

> > > > > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

important?

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Well - who knows the truth? - Should the person making

> > comment, be

> > > > > construed to be as truth seeker - until they prove with the

> > application

> > > > > of the principles on the charts ( both ways - firstly the

wrong

> > > > > application of others; and secondly how to read in correct

> > way).

> > > > > Theorists without predictive support - has little

relevance in

> > jyotish.

> > > > > But yes - if you can justify your statements by case

studies -

> > then at

> > > > > least, I will hear with open mind.

> > > > >

> > > > > Understandably, I have been quoted to be " blind " to

> > commentaries - but

> > > > my

> > > > > submission is that - give me one reason to accept the views

> > of " less

> > > > read

> > > > > scholars " than to " well read scholars like Late Santhanam /

> > Shri KN Rao

> > > > /

> > > > > Shri Sanjay rath / many others " . and More so - as I do

> > not " pretend " to

> > > > > know the sanskrit and do not " waste " my time on " shloka

> > business " with

> > > > my

> > > > > " incomplete knowledge " . So I am happy to be following

better

> > quality

> > > > > commentaries - who are expalining with the case studies.

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course - each one makes his choice.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > >

> > > > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > ************************************************

> > > > >

> > > > >>

> > > > >> sreesog@ <sreesog%40>

> > > > >> Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:00:31 -0000

> > > > >> <%

40><%

> > 40>

> > > > >> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

important?

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > >> * Even if those things are not there in ancient texts

every

> > one is

> > > > >> free to make or follow there own choice - yes, there is

every

> > chance

> > > > >> that even such new methods might give true results - your

> > argument is

> > > > >> right.

> > > > >> * As far Sanskrit is concerned: Yes, it is your choice -

when

> > you

> > > > >> are blind to read and understand Sanskrit your self, and

> > understand

> > > > >> what is there and what not, of course you have to follow

> > someone who

> > > > >> says they see - you are right in that as well.

> > > > >> Love,

> > > > >> Sreenadh

> > > > >>

> > > > >> <%

40><%

> > 40>,

> > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > > >> wrote:

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Well Sreenadh ji - at times, these issues become choice

or

> > > > >> prejudices in our own form of reading model. Had there not

> > been any

> > > > >> substance in interpreting D9 charts - lot many stalwarts

must

> > not

> > > > >> have explored it - and I presume - many of them know

better

> > > > >> sanskrit / jyotish (rather both) than all of us on the

forum

> > > > >> collectively. So if at all - anyone wish to contest the

> > > > >> interpretation - then many of those stalwarts are the

people -

> > must

> > > > >> be debated with. On the forum, where not many great

sanskrit

> > > > >> scholars / jyotish researchers - the arguments may not

have

> > any

> > > > >> relevance.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> " The right to be heard does not automatically include the

> > right to

> > > > >> be taken seriously. "

> > > > >>> ************************************************

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> sreesog@

> > > > >>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:56:36 -0000

> > > > >>>> <%

40><%

> > 40>

> > > > >>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > important?

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > >>>> * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not

chart) " just

> > like

> > > > >> D1

> > > > >>>> chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

> > > > >>>> * No ancient text provide as the results for " aspects of

> > planets

> > > > >> in

> > > > >>>> Navamasa "

> > > > >>>> * Nor they give us the results to be predicted when

planets

> > are

> > > > >>>> placed " x house with reference to navamsa lagna "

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> I hope we are trying to study astrology as taught by the

> > sages;

> > > > >> If

> > > > >>>> not I don't have anything to say.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Love,

> > > > >>>> Sreenadh

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> <%

40><%

> > 40>,

> > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > > >>>> wrote:

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts using

navamsa

> > chart

> > > > >>>> (along with other D charts). Now how to assess D9

charts -

> > can be

> > > > >>>> perspective. But - as most authors say - just like D1

chart.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> I request members to share their experience.

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >>>>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically include

the

> > right

> > > > >> to

> > > > >>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > >>>>> ************************************************

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > >>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> > > > >>>>>> <%

40><%

> > 40>

> > > > >>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > important?

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > >>>>>>> I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> > > > >>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart.

> > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > >>>>>> * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only Navamsa.

Navamsa

> > chart

> > > > >>>> is

> > > > >>>>>> not as important as Rasi chart and it can never be,

> > because it

> > > > >> is

> > > > >>>>>> only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than other

> > amsas due

> > > > >>>> to

> > > > >>>>>> the prior said reasons.

> > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > >>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

> > overall

> > > > >>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > >>>>>> * Because the quality of earth determines the

strength of

> > the

> > > > >>>>>> plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per their

> > importance.

> > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > >>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa

chart

> > like

> > > > >>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > >>>>>> * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in

Navamsa.

> > (There

> > > > >>>> is

> > > > >>>>>> no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > >>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be

> > treated as

> > > > >> if

> > > > >>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > >>>>>> * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa, it only

> > means

> > > > >> that.

> > > > >>>>>> When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means that.

It

> > is

> > > > >> wrong

> > > > >>>> to

> > > > >>>>>> mix the two.

> > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > >>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as

well?

> > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > >>>>>> * No, Yogas should not be looked in Navamsa 'chart'.

But

> > yes

> > > > >>>> yoga in

> > > > >>>>>> Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga.

Because

> > it is

> > > > >> the

> > > > >>>>>> same principles as used in Rasi that are used to

predict

> > the

> > > > >>>> result

> > > > >>>>>> in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and houses are

not

> > > > >>>> applicable

> > > > >>>>>> to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses should be

> > considered

> > > > >> in

> > > > >>>>>> Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient texts

about

> > aspect

> > > > >> or

> > > > >>>>>> houses essentially mean that they are referring to

Rasi

> > chart.

> > > > >>>>>> Love,

> > > > >>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> <%

40>

> > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > >>>>>> <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Dear Kolachina ji,

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> It was interesting to read your comments on

importance

> > of the

> > > > >>>>>>> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that

Navamsa

> > chart

> > > > >> is

> > > > >>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my

> > experience so

> > > > >>>>>>> far reading charts. However, I have still not

understood

> > what

> > > > >>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being

so

> > > > >>>>>>> important.

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

> > overall

> > > > >>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > >>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa

chart

> > like

> > > > >>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > >>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be

> > treated as

> > > > >> if

> > > > >>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > >>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as

well?

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa

> > chart, it

> > > > >>>>>>> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make up

> > two equal

> > > > >>>>>>> halves representing the native.

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa

Chart.

> > What I

> > > > >>>>>>> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an

> > importance?

> > > > >> What

> > > > >>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of

many

> > varga

> > > > >>>>>>> charts!

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > >>>>>>> Krishna

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> I have been following this thread on karakamsa and

both

> > of

> > > > >>>>>>>> your

> > > > >>>>>>>> contributions.

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your

> > valuable

> > > > >>>>>>>> inputs

> > > > >>>>>>>> you are providing to the astrological community. I

> > would like

> > > > >>>>>>>> to

> > > > >>>>>>>> share my opinion (through my own experience).

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa

chart

> > alone

> > > > >>>>>>>> most

> > > > >>>>>>>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I found

both the

> > > > >>>>>>>> approaches

> > > > >>>>>>>> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very

> > valuable;

> > > > >>>>>>>> at the

> > > > >>>>>>>> same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as

> > separate

> > > > >>>>>>>> chart (of

> > > > >>>>>>>> course without losing the context of the Rasi

chart),

> > since

> > > > >>>>>>>> any of

> > > > >>>>>>>> the varga charts will not give independent results

if

> > the Rasi

> > > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > > >>>>>>>> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if the

Rasi

> > chart

> > > > >>>>>>>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in

> > several

> > > > >>>>>>>> occassions in many of his articles and books that

yogas

> > viewed

> > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > >>>>>>>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa

chart

> > for

> > > > >>>>>>>> confirming

> > > > >>>>>>>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as a

> > separate

> > > > >>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > >>>>>>>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose of

> > checking

> > > > >>>>>>>> some

> > > > >>>>>>>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and aspects)

in

> > the

> > > > >>>>>>>> navamsa

> > > > >>>>>>>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana

should

> > be

> > > > >>>>>>>> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual

influence

> > at the

> > > > >>>>>>>> amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg.

span.

> > of Rasi.

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own

house

> > in the

> > > > >>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > >>>>>>>> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa

chart, it

> > is

> > > > >>>>>>>> condiered

> > > > >>>>>>>> as weakening of the actual strength shown in the

Rasi.

> > Why is

> > > > >>>>>>>> this

> > > > >>>>>>>> considered so? It is considered like that because,

even

> > though

> > > > >>>>>>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still its

> > > > >>>>>>>> positioning

> > > > >>>>>>>> within that particular sector (here navamsa) has

> > weakened it;

> > > > >>>>>>>> means,

> > > > >>>>>>>> within its own rasi, this particular sector is the

> > weakest

> > > > >>>>>>>> point for

> > > > >>>>>>>> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it

loses its

> > > > >>>>>>>> strength

> > > > >>>>>>>> considerably. This means there is a gradation of

> > strengths for

> > > > >>>>>>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>> planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa. The

> > navamsa

> > > > >>>>>>>> position

> > > > >>>>>>>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement

> > within the

> > > > >>>>>>>> rasi.

> > > > >>>>>>>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to

both

> > the

> > > > >>>>>>>> Rasi and

> > > > >>>>>>>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is weak

in

> > one of

> > > > >>>>>>>> them

> > > > >>>>>>>> that means half the weightage is lost. We may not

give

> > the

> > > > >>>>>>>> same

> > > > >>>>>>>> level of treatment to other vargas as we give to

> > Navamsa; but

> > > > >>>>>>>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the extent

that

> > it can

> > > > >>>>>>>> be

> > > > >>>>>>>> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the

promise

> > given

> > > > >>>>>>>> by the

> > > > >>>>>>>> rasi chart).

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas in

the

> > rasi

> > > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > > >>>>>>>> alone cannot and will not give expected results; I

have

> > > > >>>>>>>> observed

> > > > >>>>>>>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra both

in

> > the

> > > > >>>>>>>> 12th

> > > > >>>>>>>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not in

the

> > rasi

> > > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > > >>>>>>>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the

karakamsa

> > > > >>>>>>>> lagna). I am

> > > > >>>>>>>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented by

> > Chandra)

> > > > >>>>>>>> and

> > > > >>>>>>>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the

> > karakamsa is

> > > > >>>>>>>> brought

> > > > >>>>>>>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The

> > sequence of

> > > > >>>>>>>> my life

> > > > >>>>>>>> events are better explained only if I consider

> > karakamsa lagna

> > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > >>>>>>>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's

> > opinion

> > > > >>>>>>>> here; I am

> > > > >>>>>>>> just saying that both approaches need to be

considered

> > on the

> > > > >>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > >>>>>>>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao

always

> > says.

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> On the other hand, considering the specific rasi in

the

> > Rasi

> > > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > > >>>>>>>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my

Sukra

> > is in

> > > > >>>>>>>> the 4th

> > > > >>>>>>>> house indicating my possession of a nice beautiful

> > house, and

> > > > >>>>>>>> education/skills in arts (in addition to other

> > traditional

> > > > >>>>>>>> education).

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to

> > summarize

> > > > >>>>>>>> that

> > > > >>>>>>>> both your theories give results; but not

necessarily in

> > > > >>>>>>>> isolation of

> > > > >>>>>>>> the other.

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> Best regards,

> > > > >>>>>>>> Satya S Kolachina

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> <%

40>

> > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > >>>>>>>> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>> I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K.

N.

> > Rao.

> > > > >>>>>>>> First

> > > > >>>>>>>> there is

> > > > >>>>>>>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka

> > though it

> > > > >>>>>>>> is

> > > > >>>>>>>> perhaps

> > > > >>>>>>>>> being confused. It also needs to be remembered

that in

> > > > >>>>>>>> astrological

> > > > >>>>>>>>> translations many a times words are to be

understood

> > in the

> > > > >>>>>>>> context that

> > > > >>>>>>>>> they used. So we find Parashara mentioning

karakamsha

> > and

> > > > >>>>>>>> Swamsha

> > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > >>>>>>>>> alternate lines (almost) while indicating the

results

> > of

> > > > >>>>>>>> occupation of

> > > > >>>>>>>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in

> > karakamsha

> > > > >>>>>>>> adhyaaya.

> > > > >>>>>>>>> This does not mean he is speaking about two

different

> > > > >>>>>>>> parameters.

> > > > >>>>>>>> I

> > > > >>>>>>>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well

versed

> > in

> > > > >>>>>>>> interpretation

> > > > >>>>>>>>> of astrological texts will confirm this contention

of

> > mine

> > > > >>>>>>>> if he

> > > > >>>>>>>> is

> > > > >>>>>>>>> watching this discussion.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think that the

> > results

> > > > >>>>>>>> indicated on

> > > > >>>>>>>>> the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the

> > potential

> > > > >>>>>>>> promised by

> > > > >>>>>>>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived by the

grahas

> > in

> > > > >>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > >>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > >>>>>>>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to

> > materialize. I

> > > > >>>>>>>> hope

> > > > >>>>>>>> this

> > > > >>>>>>>>> opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the

> > > > >>>>>>>> discussion on

> > > > >>>>>>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>> list. But this is my personal opinion, for

whatever it

> > is

> > > > >>>>>>>> worth.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>> Take care,

> > > > >>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is

pointing to

> > the

> > > > >>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also

says,Karakamsha

> > has

> > > > >>>>>>>> one

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not

pointing to

> > the

> > > > >>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are

some

> > > > >>>>>>>> shlokas

> > > > >>>>>>>> which

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his

> > view

> > > > >>>>>>>> point.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell

> > this.Sometimes the

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> answer and

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded

by

> > proper

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> === message truncated ===

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >> ________

> > > > >>>>>> ______________

> > > > >>>>>>> Be a PS3 game guru.

> > > > >>>>>>> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and

> > previews at

> > > > >>>>>> Games.

> > > > >>>>>>> http://videogames./platform?platform=120121

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>

July 9, 2007

Dear Bharat,

Such a sweet mail from you.

The old days here was fun, crystal clear knowledge flowed, now all of

them have left this list.

I will write to you on your personal id pls re-write that after ..

only dots are appearing and not or gmail.com. I do not sending

personal mails from the web lists as sometimes I have made mistake and

it goes on lists.

I am sorry for the delay have been busy with office work.

One question in case of twins do you use only Rashi chart for both the

twins.

Regards,

Sushmita

, " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

<astrologyhindu wrote:

>

> Namaste Sri Sushmita

> Thank you for your kind words.

>

> You can send the charts to either of my email ids: astrologyhindu

> hinduastrology Let me warn you that I am not a great astrologer

> or a highly learned one. And I usually stick to the Rashi chart.

>

> I joined this group to learn from great masters. Almost all of them

have

> left this group. I sorely miss the writings of Sri K. N. Rao, Sri Finn

> Windhall and others like them. In fact, I love reading the archives of

this

> group. Knowledge comes to the blessed. Maybe the Lord has something

else in

> store for us.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 7/7/07, sushmita34 sushmita34 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bharat,

> > I have observed your writings on and off and you seem to belong to a

> > civilized lot and at the same time having an independent mind. You

> > respect senior members & at the same time do not blindly follow

them.

> > This is the Lakshana of a good astrologer to become.

> >

> > You may not know me, I am an old member of some forums having gone

out

> > of astrology for some time.

> >

> > I have few queries on some charts, can I post it to you privately.

Two

> > charts in the lot belong to semi celebs hence would not want to

discuss

> > it here openly as they have asked me not to do so.

> >

> > If you give me your email id I would post them to you if you are

> > willing.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Sushmita

> >

<%40>,

> > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> > astrologyhindu@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Sri Pradeep

> > > You are lucky to be in Switzerland. It is home to one of the

finest

> > > scientific labs in the whole world. If you go meet a renowed

> > physicist, they

> > > shall share that the physical world as it is seen at a particular

> > frequency

> > > of light is one thing and at a different frequency of light is

totally

> > > another. The phenomenon of light and its frequency is the basis of

> > Jyotish.

> > >

> > > I'd like to keep an open mind about the physical placement of

planets

> > at

> > > higher frequencies of Light. Though, I will only use aspects, etc

in

> > amshas

> > > once I am clear how to use them. Till them I shall watch the fun

of

> > debates,

> > > discussions, and see when something captures my mind.

> > >

> > > Hope you can respect my independent view.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > > On 7/6/07, vijayadas_pradeep vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bharat ji

> > > >

> > > > Regarding Sanskrit you are absolutely right.We have to rely on

> > > > scholars who lived 1000's of years back,trained in uncorrupted

> > > > parampara,to understand Jyotish.For the same reason i give

weightage

> > > > to their views.They know what is amsha and what is Rashi.

> > > >

> > > > Contemporary scholars due to power of information technology,has

> > > > made their theories as original!!!what a pity?

> > > > Do you think -power of IT can cloud TRUTH?

> > > > From the screen of clouds like the FULL MOON ,TRUTH the Light of

> > > > Jyotish will come out and shine.

> > > >

> > > > The planet is in fact physically placed.When we say he is in

Aries

> > > > Rashi -He is physically placed in Aries Rashi.

> > > > When we say he is in Taurus Navamsha,yes he is physically placed

in

> > > > Taurus ''NAVAMSHA'' within Aries Rashi.

> > > >

> > > > But this Taurus Amsha is linked to Taurus Rashi.There is no

physical

> > > > placement there!!!Imagine how the lord of a house relates back

to

> > > > its House ,though placed elsewhere.Imagine why Shri Rath was

able to

> > > > understand that amshaka is relating back to amsha.It is

demonstrated

> > > > through examples.

> > > >

> > > > Analysis are always w.r to Rashis.Can any individual translate

> > > > Lagnashadvarhgake shloka otherwise without violating rules set

by

> > > > sages.Late Santhanam was honest.

> > > >

> > > > It is a tough job,.Tougher than Galielios job.Church is

strong...but

> > > > not for long.Truth alone will prevail.

> > > >

> > > > Regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

<%40>

> > <%40>,

> > > > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> > > > astrologyhindu@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Prafulla and others

> > > > >

> > > > > The major contention of those not using Navamsha not as a

separate

> > > > chart is

> > > > > that physically the planets positions are shown by the Rashi

chart

> > > > and

> > > > > cannot by any other chart. This is untrue. Kindly read below:

> > > > >

> > > > > Our eyes can only capture a certain frequency of light waves.

If

> > > > we were

> > > > > able to see sight on a different frequency the world would

change

> > > > and so

> > > > > would the planetary positions. There are deeper things to be

seen

> > > > and known.

> > > > > One should not reject the idea of usage of Amshas as separate

> > > > charts,

> > > > > without proper scrutiny.

> > > > >

> > > > > I personally, do not use amshas as separate charts for a

simple

> > > > reason that

> > > > > I do not know how to use them separately. I am waiting for

> > > > plausible

> > > > > answers. I do not stop others from using them, but, do get

> > > > dismayed at times

> > > > > when people justify things through any divisional charts. So

many

> > > > rules

> > > > > should not be made that they are applicable to every human

beings

> > > > chart and

> > > > > can be used to justify anything in life.

> > > > >

> > > > > Unlike Upanishads, which have bhashyas and a great lineage of

> > > > Teachers, we

> > > > > do not have the same for Astrology. Most of the texts are

hidden,

> > > > burnt,

> > > > > destroyed, misrepresented, misquoted, etc. etc... People with

no

> > > > knowledge

> > > > > of Sanskrit trying to decipher verses using Sri Apte

dictionary.

> > > > They

> > > > > haven't the faintest idea on how Sanskrit verse can mean in

5-7

> > > > different

> > > > > ways. In such a scenario, it is difficult to rely on half

> > > > knowledge. It is

> > > > > better to have an open mind and use a principle when one has

sound

> > > > knowledge

> > > > > of it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > Bharat

> > > > >

> > > > > On 7/6/07, Prafulla Gang jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Another important issue - In D9 charts reference - kalyan

Varma

> > > > has given

> > > > > > hints for results for Sun aspecting venus; or mercury

aspecting

> > > > venus. Since

> > > > > > they can never " aspect " in Rashi Kundli - the obvious

reference

> > > > was to

> > > > > > Navamsa " chart " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do not think, kalyan varma can be treated at par with

current

> > > > age

> > > > > > scholars !!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > ************************************************

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > jyotish@ <jyotish%40inbox.com>

> > > > > > > Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:23:15 -0800

> > > > > > > To:

<%40>

> > <%40><%

> > > > 40>

> > > > > > > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

important?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Well - who knows the truth? - Should the person making

> > > > comment, be

> > > > > > > construed to be as truth seeker - until they prove with

the

> > > > application

> > > > > > > of the principles on the charts ( both ways - firstly the

> > wrong

> > > > > > > application of others; and secondly how to read in correct

> > > > way).

> > > > > > > Theorists without predictive support - has little

relevance in

> > > > jyotish.

> > > > > > > But yes - if you can justify your statements by case

studies -

> > > > then at

> > > > > > > least, I will hear with open mind.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Understandably, I have been quoted to be " blind " to

> > > > commentaries - but

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > submission is that - give me one reason to accept the

views

> > > > of " less

> > > > > > read

> > > > > > > scholars " than to " well read scholars like Late Santhanam

/

> > > > Shri KN Rao

> > > > > > /

> > > > > > > Shri Sanjay rath / many others " . and More so - as I do

> > > > not " pretend " to

> > > > > > > know the sanskrit and do not " waste " my time on " shloka

> > > > business " with

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > " incomplete knowledge " . So I am happy to be following

better

> > > > quality

> > > > > > > commentaries - who are expalining with the case studies.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Of course - each one makes his choice.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > ************************************************

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> sreesog@ <sreesog%40>

> > > > > > >> Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:00:31 -0000

> > > > > > >> To:

<%40>

> > <%40><%

> > > > 40>

> > > > > > >> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

important?

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > > > >> * Even if those things are not there in ancient texts

every

> > > > one is

> > > > > > >> free to make or follow there own choice - yes, there is

every

> > > > chance

> > > > > > >> that even such new methods might give true results - your

> > > > argument is

> > > > > > >> right.

> > > > > > >> * As far Sanskrit is concerned: Yes, it is your choice -

when

> > > > you

> > > > > > >> are blind to read and understand Sanskrit your self, and

> > > > understand

> > > > > > >> what is there and what not, of course you have to follow

> > > > someone who

> > > > > > >> says they see - you are right in that as well.

> > > > > > >> Love,

> > > > > > >> Sreenadh

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> --- In

> > <%40>

> > <%40><JyotishGrou\

> > p%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > > > > >> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Well Sreenadh ji - at times, these issues become choice

or

> > > > > > >> prejudices in our own form of reading model. Had there

not

> > > > been any

> > > > > > >> substance in interpreting D9 charts - lot many stalwarts

must

> > > > not

> > > > > > >> have explored it - and I presume - many of them know

better

> > > > > > >> sanskrit / jyotish (rather both) than all of us on the

forum

> > > > > > >> collectively. So if at all - anyone wish to contest the

> > > > > > >> interpretation - then many of those stalwarts are the

people

> > -

> > > > must

> > > > > > >> be debated with. On the forum, where not many great

sanskrit

> > > > > > >> scholars / jyotish researchers - the arguments may not

have

> > > > any

> > > > > > >> relevance.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > >>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> " The right to be heard does not automatically include

the

> > > > right to

> > > > > > >> be taken seriously. "

> > > > > > >>> ************************************************

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > >>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:56:36 -0000

> > > > > > >>>> To:

<%40>

> > <%40><%

> > > > 40>

> > > > > > >>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > > important?

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > > > >>>> * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not chart)

" just

> > > > like

> > > > > > >> D1

> > > > > > >>>> chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

> > > > > > >>>> * No ancient text provide as the results for " aspects

of

> > > > planets

> > > > > > >> in

> > > > > > >>>> Navamasa "

> > > > > > >>>> * Nor they give us the results to be predicted when

planets

> > > > are

> > > > > > >>>> placed " x house with reference to navamsa lagna "

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> I hope we are trying to study astrology as taught by

the

> > > > sages;

> > > > > > >> If

> > > > > > >>>> not I don't have anything to say.

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Love,

> > > > > > >>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> --- In

> > <%40>

> > <%40><JyotishGrou\

> > p%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > > > > >>>> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts using

navamsa

> > > > chart

> > > > > > >>>> (along with other D charts). Now how to assess D9

charts -

> > > > can be

> > > > > > >>>> perspective. But - as most authors say - just like D1

> > chart.

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> I request members to share their experience.

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > >>>>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically include

the

> > > > right

> > > > > > >> to

> > > > > > >>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > > > >>>>> ************************************************

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > >>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> > > > > > >>>>>> To:

> > <%40>

> > <%40><jyotishgrou\

> > p%

> > > > 40>

> > > > > > >>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > > important?

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > >>>>>>> I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> > > > > > >>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart.

> > > > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > > > >>>>>> * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only Navamsa.

Navamsa

> > > > chart

> > > > > > >>>> is

> > > > > > >>>>>> not as important as Rasi chart and it can never be,

> > > > because it

> > > > > > >> is

> > > > > > >>>>>> only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than

other

> > > > amsas due

> > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > >>>>>> the prior said reasons.

> > > > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

> > > > overall

> > > > > > >>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > > > >>>>>> * Because the quality of earth determines the

strength of

> > > > the

> > > > > > >>>>>> plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per their

> > > > importance.

> > > > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa

chart

> > > > like

> > > > > > >>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > > > >>>>>> * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in

Navamsa.

> > > > (There

> > > > > > >>>> is

> > > > > > >>>>>> no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be

> > > > treated as

> > > > > > >> if

> > > > > > >>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > > > >>>>>> * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa, it only

> > > > means

> > > > > > >> that.

> > > > > > >>>>>> When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means that.

It

> > > > is

> > > > > > >> wrong

> > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > >>>>>> mix the two.

> > > > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as

> > well?

> > > > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > > > >>>>>> * No, Yogas should not be looked in Navamsa 'chart'.

But

> > > > yes

> > > > > > >>>> yoga in

> > > > > > >>>>>> Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga.

Because

> > > > it is

> > > > > > >> the

> > > > > > >>>>>> same principles as used in Rasi that are used to

predict

> > > > the

> > > > > > >>>> result

> > > > > > >>>>>> in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and houses are

not

> > > > > > >>>> applicable

> > > > > > >>>>>> to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses should be

> > > > considered

> > > > > > >> in

> > > > > > >>>>>> Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient texts

about

> > > > aspect

> > > > > > >> or

> > > > > > >>>>>> houses essentially mean that they are referring to

Rasi

> > > > chart.

> > > > > > >>>>>> Love,

> > > > > > >>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> --- In

> > <%40>

> > > > <%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > > >>>>>> <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>> Dear Kolachina ji,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>> It was interesting to read your comments on

importance

> > > > of the

> > > > > > >>>>>>> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that

Navamsa

> > > > chart

> > > > > > >> is

> > > > > > >>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my

> > > > experience so

> > > > > > >>>>>>> far reading charts. However, I have still not

understood

> > > > what

> > > > > > >>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being

so

> > > > > > >>>>>>> important.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

> > > > overall

> > > > > > >>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa

chart

> > > > like

> > > > > > >>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be

> > > > treated as

> > > > > > >> if

> > > > > > >>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as

> > well?

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>> By looking at the kind of importance given to

Navamsa

> > > > chart, it

> > > > > > >>>>>>> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make

up

> > > > two equal

> > > > > > >>>>>>> halves representing the native.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>> I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa

Chart.

> > > > What I

> > > > > > >>>>>>> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an

> > > > importance?

> > > > > > >> What

> > > > > > >>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of

many

> > > > varga

> > > > > > >>>>>>> charts!

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>>>> Krishna

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> I have been following this thread on karakamsa and

both

> > > > of

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> your

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> contributions.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your

> > > > valuable

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> inputs

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> you are providing to the astrological community. I

> > > > would like

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> to

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> share my opinion (through my own experience).

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa

chart

> > > > alone

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> most

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I found

both

> > the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> approaches

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very

> > > > valuable;

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> at the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as

> > > > separate

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart (of

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> course without losing the context of the Rasi

chart),

> > > > since

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> any of

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> the varga charts will not give independent results

if

> > > > the Rasi

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if the

Rasi

> > > > chart

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in

> > > > several

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> occassions in many of his articles and books that

yogas

> > > > viewed

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa

chart

> > > > for

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> confirming

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as

a

> > > > separate

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose

of

> > > > checking

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> some

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and aspects)

in

> > > > the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> navamsa

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana

should

> > > > be

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual

influence

> > > > at the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg.

span.

> > > > of Rasi.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own

house

> > > > in the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa

chart, it

> > > > is

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> condiered

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> as weakening of the actual strength shown in the

Rasi.

> > > > Why is

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> this

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> considered so? It is considered like that because,

even

> > > > though

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still its

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> positioning

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> within that particular sector (here navamsa) has

> > > > weakened it;

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> means,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> within its own rasi, this particular sector is the

> > > > weakest

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> point for

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it

loses

> > its

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> strength

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> considerably. This means there is a gradation of

> > > > strengths for

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa. The

> > > > navamsa

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> position

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement

> > > > within the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> rasi.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to

both

> > > > the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Rasi and

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is weak

in

> > > > one of

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> them

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> that means half the weightage is lost. We may not

give

> > > > the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> same

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> level of treatment to other vargas as we give to

> > > > Navamsa; but

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the extent

that

> > > > it can

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> be

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the

promise

> > > > given

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> by the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> rasi chart).

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas in

the

> > > > rasi

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> alone cannot and will not give expected results; I

have

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> observed

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra both

in

> > > > the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> 12th

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not in

the

> > > > rasi

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the

karakamsa

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> lagna). I am

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented by

> > > > Chandra)

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> and

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the

> > > > karakamsa is

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> brought

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The

> > > > sequence of

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> my life

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> events are better explained only if I consider

> > > > karakamsa lagna

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's

> > > > opinion

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> here; I am

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> just saying that both approaches need to be

considered

> > > > on the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao

always

> > > > says.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> On the other hand, considering the specific rasi in

the

> > > > Rasi

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my

Sukra

> > > > is in

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> the 4th

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> house indicating my possession of a nice beautiful

> > > > house, and

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> education/skills in arts (in addition to other

> > > > traditional

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> education).

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to

> > > > summarize

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> that

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> both your theories give results; but not

necessarily in

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> isolation of

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> the other.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Best regards,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> --- In

> > <%40>

> > > > <%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K.

N.

> > > > Rao.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> First

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> there is

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka

> > > > though it

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> is

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> perhaps

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> being confused. It also needs to be remembered

that in

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> astrological

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> translations many a times words are to be

understood

> > > > in the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> context that

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> they used. So we find Parashara mentioning

karakamsha

> > > > and

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Swamsha

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> alternate lines (almost) while indicating the

results

> > > > of

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> occupation of

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in

> > > > karakamsha

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> adhyaaya.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> This does not mean he is speaking about two

different

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> parameters.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> I

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well

versed

> > > > in

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> interpretation

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> of astrological texts will confirm this contention

of

> > > > mine

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> if he

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> is

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> watching this discussion.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think that the

> > > > results

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> indicated on

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the

> > > > potential

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> promised by

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived by the

grahas

> > > > in

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to

> > > > materialize. I

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> hope

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> this

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> discussion on

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> list. But this is my personal opinion, for

whatever it

> > > > is

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> worth.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Take care,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is

pointing to

> > > > the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also

says,Karakamsha

> > > > has

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> one

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not

pointing to

> > > > the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are

> > some

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> shlokas

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> which

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting

his

> > > > view

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> point.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell

> > > > this.Sometimes the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> answer and

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded

by

> > > > proper

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>> === message truncated ===

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>

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> > > > > > >>>>>>

July 9, 2007

Namaste Sri Sushmita

My ids are as follows:

astrologyhindu

hinduastrology

Case of twins is an unusual case and cannot be done with just the Rashi

chart. I was given a case in January, this year, of twins born in USA. They

are just a couple of minutes apart, born through a ceaserian. Even the

Shashtiamsa is the same and the difference comes in Nadiamsa. God bless Sri

Santhanam for translating Chandra Kala Nadi for that is the book I am trying

to study to resolve the separate paths of these twins.

The problem with reading such a text is that each verse is an encyclopedia.

I get stuck with one verse and keep thinking for like a week on the same.

The joy of understanding one verse makes me forget what I went looking in

for in the first place.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 7/9/07, sushmita34 <sushmita34 wrote:

>

> Dear Bharat,

>

> Such a sweet mail from you.

>

> The old days here was fun, crystal clear knowledge flowed, now all of

> them have left this list.

>

> I will write to you on your personal id pls re-write that after ..

> only dots are appearing and not or gmail.com. I do not sending

> personal mails from the web lists as sometimes I have made mistake and

> it goes on lists.

>

> I am sorry for the delay have been busy with office work.

>

> One question in case of twins do you use only Rashi chart for both the

> twins.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sushmita

>

> <%40>,

> " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> <astrologyhindu wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Sri Sushmita

> > Thank you for your kind words.

> >

> > You can send the charts to either of my email ids: astrologyhindu

> > hinduastrology Let me warn you that I am not a great astrologer

> > or a highly learned one. And I usually stick to the Rashi chart.

> >

> > I joined this group to learn from great masters. Almost all of them

> have

> > left this group. I sorely miss the writings of Sri K. N. Rao, Sri Finn

> > Windhall and others like them. In fact, I love reading the archives of

> this

> > group. Knowledge comes to the blessed. Maybe the Lord has something

> else in

> > store for us.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> > On 7/7/07, sushmita34 sushmita34 wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bharat,

> > > I have observed your writings on and off and you seem to belong to a

> > > civilized lot and at the same time having an independent mind. You

> > > respect senior members & at the same time do not blindly follow

> them.

> > > This is the Lakshana of a good astrologer to become.

> > >

> > > You may not know me, I am an old member of some forums having gone

> out

> > > of astrology for some time.

> > >

> > > I have few queries on some charts, can I post it to you privately.

> Two

> > > charts in the lot belong to semi celebs hence would not want to

> discuss

> > > it here openly as they have asked me not to do so.

> > >

> > > If you give me your email id I would post them to you if you are

> > > willing.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Sushmita

> > >

> > > <%40>

> <%40>,

> > > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> > > astrologyhindu@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Sri Pradeep

> > > > You are lucky to be in Switzerland. It is home to one of the

> finest

> > > > scientific labs in the whole world. If you go meet a renowed

> > > physicist, they

> > > > shall share that the physical world as it is seen at a particular

> > > frequency

> > > > of light is one thing and at a different frequency of light is

> totally

> > > > another. The phenomenon of light and its frequency is the basis of

> > > Jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > I'd like to keep an open mind about the physical placement of

> planets

> > > at

> > > > higher frequencies of Light. Though, I will only use aspects, etc

> in

> > > amshas

> > > > once I am clear how to use them. Till them I shall watch the fun

> of

> > > debates,

> > > > discussions, and see when something captures my mind.

> > > >

> > > > Hope you can respect my independent view.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > Bharat

> > > >

> > > > On 7/6/07, vijayadas_pradeep vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bharat ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Regarding Sanskrit you are absolutely right.We have to rely on

> > > > > scholars who lived 1000's of years back,trained in uncorrupted

> > > > > parampara,to understand Jyotish.For the same reason i give

> weightage

> > > > > to their views.They know what is amsha and what is Rashi.

> > > > >

> > > > > Contemporary scholars due to power of information technology,has

> > > > > made their theories as original!!!what a pity?

> > > > > Do you think -power of IT can cloud TRUTH?

> > > > > From the screen of clouds like the FULL MOON ,TRUTH the Light of

> > > > > Jyotish will come out and shine.

> > > > >

> > > > > The planet is in fact physically placed.When we say he is in

> Aries

> > > > > Rashi -He is physically placed in Aries Rashi.

> > > > > When we say he is in Taurus Navamsha,yes he is physically placed

> in

> > > > > Taurus ''NAVAMSHA'' within Aries Rashi.

> > > > >

> > > > > But this Taurus Amsha is linked to Taurus Rashi.There is no

> physical

> > > > > placement there!!!Imagine how the lord of a house relates back

> to

> > > > > its House ,though placed elsewhere.Imagine why Shri Rath was

> able to

> > > > > understand that amshaka is relating back to amsha.It is

> demonstrated

> > > > > through examples.

> > > > >

> > > > > Analysis are always w.r to Rashis.Can any individual translate

> > > > > Lagnashadvarhgake shloka otherwise without violating rules set

> by

> > > > > sages.Late Santhanam was honest.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is a tough job,.Tougher than Galielios job.Church is

> strong...but

> > > > > not for long.Truth alone will prevail.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regds

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > <%40>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>,

> > > > > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> > > > > astrologyhindu@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Prafulla and others

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The major contention of those not using Navamsha not as a

> separate

> > > > > chart is

> > > > > > that physically the planets positions are shown by the Rashi

> chart

> > > > > and

> > > > > > cannot by any other chart. This is untrue. Kindly read below:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Our eyes can only capture a certain frequency of light waves.

> If

> > > > > we were

> > > > > > able to see sight on a different frequency the world would

> change

> > > > > and so

> > > > > > would the planetary positions. There are deeper things to be

> seen

> > > > > and known.

> > > > > > One should not reject the idea of usage of Amshas as separate

> > > > > charts,

> > > > > > without proper scrutiny.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I personally, do not use amshas as separate charts for a

> simple

> > > > > reason that

> > > > > > I do not know how to use them separately. I am waiting for

> > > > > plausible

> > > > > > answers. I do not stop others from using them, but, do get

> > > > > dismayed at times

> > > > > > when people justify things through any divisional charts. So

> many

> > > > > rules

> > > > > > should not be made that they are applicable to every human

> beings

> > > > > chart and

> > > > > > can be used to justify anything in life.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Unlike Upanishads, which have bhashyas and a great lineage of

> > > > > Teachers, we

> > > > > > do not have the same for Astrology. Most of the texts are

> hidden,

> > > > > burnt,

> > > > > > destroyed, misrepresented, misquoted, etc. etc... People with

> no

> > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > of Sanskrit trying to decipher verses using Sri Apte

> dictionary.

> > > > > They

> > > > > > haven't the faintest idea on how Sanskrit verse can mean in

> 5-7

> > > > > different

> > > > > > ways. In such a scenario, it is difficult to rely on half

> > > > > knowledge. It is

> > > > > > better to have an open mind and use a principle when one has

> sound

> > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > of it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 7/6/07, Prafulla Gang jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Another important issue - In D9 charts reference - kalyan

> Varma

> > > > > has given

> > > > > > > hints for results for Sun aspecting venus; or mercury

> aspecting

> > > > > venus. Since

> > > > > > > they can never " aspect " in Rashi Kundli - the obvious

> reference

> > > > > was to

> > > > > > > Navamsa " chart " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do not think, kalyan varma can be treated at par with

> current

> > > > > age

> > > > > > > scholars !!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > ************************************************

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > jyotish@ <jyotish%40inbox.com>

> > > > > > > > Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:23:15 -0800

> > > > > > > > To:

> <%40>

> > > <%40><%

> > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> important?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Well - who knows the truth? - Should the person making

> > > > > comment, be

> > > > > > > > construed to be as truth seeker - until they prove with

> the

> > > > > application

> > > > > > > > of the principles on the charts ( both ways - firstly the

> > > wrong

> > > > > > > > application of others; and secondly how to read in correct

> > > > > way).

> > > > > > > > Theorists without predictive support - has little

> relevance in

> > > > > jyotish.

> > > > > > > > But yes - if you can justify your statements by case

> studies -

> > > > > then at

> > > > > > > > least, I will hear with open mind.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Understandably, I have been quoted to be " blind " to

> > > > > commentaries - but

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > submission is that - give me one reason to accept the

> views

> > > > > of " less

> > > > > > > read

> > > > > > > > scholars " than to " well read scholars like Late Santhanam

> /

> > > > > Shri KN Rao

> > > > > > > /

> > > > > > > > Shri Sanjay rath / many others " . and More so - as I do

> > > > > not " pretend " to

> > > > > > > > know the sanskrit and do not " waste " my time on " shloka

> > > > > business " with

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > " incomplete knowledge " . So I am happy to be following

> better

> > > > > quality

> > > > > > > > commentaries - who are expalining with the case studies.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Of course - each one makes his choice.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > > ************************************************

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> sreesog@ <sreesog%40>

> > > > > > > >> Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:00:31 -0000

> > > > > > > >> To:

> <%40>

> > > <%40><%

> > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > >> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> important?

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > > > > >> * Even if those things are not there in ancient texts

> every

> > > > > one is

> > > > > > > >> free to make or follow there own choice - yes, there is

> every

> > > > > chance

> > > > > > > >> that even such new methods might give true results - your

> > > > > argument is

> > > > > > > >> right.

> > > > > > > >> * As far Sanskrit is concerned: Yes, it is your choice -

> when

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > >> are blind to read and understand Sanskrit your self, and

> > > > > understand

> > > > > > > >> what is there and what not, of course you have to follow

> > > > > someone who

> > > > > > > >> says they see - you are right in that as well.

> > > > > > > >> Love,

> > > > > > > >> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> --- In

> > >

<%40><%40>

> > > <%40><JyotishGrou\

> > > p%

> > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > >> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> Well Sreenadh ji - at times, these issues become choice

> or

> > > > > > > >> prejudices in our own form of reading model. Had there

> not

> > > > > been any

> > > > > > > >> substance in interpreting D9 charts - lot many stalwarts

> must

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > >> have explored it - and I presume - many of them know

> better

> > > > > > > >> sanskrit / jyotish (rather both) than all of us on the

> forum

> > > > > > > >> collectively. So if at all - anyone wish to contest the

> > > > > > > >> interpretation - then many of those stalwarts are the

> people

> > > -

> > > > > must

> > > > > > > >> be debated with. On the forum, where not many great

> sanskrit

> > > > > > > >> scholars / jyotish researchers - the arguments may not

> have

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > >> relevance.

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > >>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> " The right to be heard does not automatically include

> the

> > > > > right to

> > > > > > > >> be taken seriously. "

> > > > > > > >>> ************************************************

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > > >>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:56:36 -0000

> > > > > > > >>>> To:

> <%40>

> > > <%40><%

> > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > >>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > > > important?

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > > > > >>>> * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not chart)

> " just

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > >> D1

> > > > > > > >>>> chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

> > > > > > > >>>> * No ancient text provide as the results for " aspects

> of

> > > > > planets

> > > > > > > >> in

> > > > > > > >>>> Navamasa "

> > > > > > > >>>> * Nor they give us the results to be predicted when

> planets

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > >>>> placed " x house with reference to navamsa lagna "

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>> I hope we are trying to study astrology as taught by

> the

> > > > > sages;

> > > > > > > >> If

> > > > > > > >>>> not I don't have anything to say.

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>> Love,

> > > > > > > >>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>> --- In

> > >

<%40><%40>

> > > <%40><JyotishGrou\

> > > p%

> > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > >>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts using

> navamsa

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > >>>> (along with other D charts). Now how to assess D9

> charts -

> > > > > can be

> > > > > > > >>>> perspective. But - as most authors say - just like D1

> > > chart.

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> I request members to share their experience.

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > >>>>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically include

> the

> > > > > right

> > > > > > > >> to

> > > > > > > >>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > > > > >>>>> ************************************************

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> > > > > > > >>>>>> To:

> > >

<%40><%40>

> > > <%40><jyotishgrou\

> > > p%

> > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > > > important?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart.

> > > > > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > >>>>>> * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only Navamsa.

> Navamsa

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > >>>> is

> > > > > > > >>>>>> not as important as Rasi chart and it can never be,

> > > > > because it

> > > > > > > >> is

> > > > > > > >>>>>> only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than

> other

> > > > > amsas due

> > > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > > >>>>>> the prior said reasons.

> > > > > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

> > > > > overall

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > >>>>>> * Because the quality of earth determines the

> strength of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>> plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per their

> > > > > importance.

> > > > > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa

> chart

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > >>>>>> * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in

> Navamsa.

> > > > > (There

> > > > > > > >>>> is

> > > > > > > >>>>>> no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be

> > > > > treated as

> > > > > > > >> if

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > >>>>>> * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa, it only

> > > > > means

> > > > > > > >> that.

> > > > > > > >>>>>> When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means that.

> It

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > >> wrong

> > > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > > >>>>>> mix the two.

> > > > > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as

> > > well?

> > > > > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > >>>>>> * No, Yogas should not be looked in Navamsa 'chart'.

> But

> > > > > yes

> > > > > > > >>>> yoga in

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga.

> Because

> > > > > it is

> > > > > > > >> the

> > > > > > > >>>>>> same principles as used in Rasi that are used to

> predict

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>> result

> > > > > > > >>>>>> in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and houses are

> not

> > > > > > > >>>> applicable

> > > > > > > >>>>>> to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses should be

> > > > > considered

> > > > > > > >> in

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient texts

> about

> > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > >> or

> > > > > > > >>>>>> houses essentially mean that they are referring to

> Rasi

> > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Love,

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> --- In

> > >

<%40><%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%

> > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > > > >>>>>> <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Dear Kolachina ji,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> It was interesting to read your comments on

> importance

> > > > > of the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that

> Navamsa

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > >> is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my

> > > > > experience so

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> far reading charts. However, I have still not

> understood

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being

> so

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> important.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

> > > > > overall

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa

> chart

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be

> > > > > treated as

> > > > > > > >> if

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as

> > > well?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> By looking at the kind of importance given to

> Navamsa

> > > > > chart, it

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make

> up

> > > > > two equal

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> halves representing the native.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa

> Chart.

> > > > > What I

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an

> > > > > importance?

> > > > > > > >> What

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of

> many

> > > > > varga

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> charts!

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Krishna

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> I have been following this thread on karakamsa and

> both

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> your

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> contributions.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your

> > > > > valuable

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> inputs

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> you are providing to the astrological community. I

> > > > > would like

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> to

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> share my opinion (through my own experience).

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa

> chart

> > > > > alone

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> most

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I found

> both

> > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> approaches

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very

> > > > > valuable;

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> at the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as

> > > > > separate

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart (of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> course without losing the context of the Rasi

> chart),

> > > > > since

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> any of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the varga charts will not give independent results

> if

> > > > > the Rasi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if the

> Rasi

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in

> > > > > several

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> occassions in many of his articles and books that

> yogas

> > > > > viewed

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa

> chart

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> confirming

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as

> a

> > > > > separate

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose

> of

> > > > > checking

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> some

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and aspects)

> in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> navamsa

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana

> should

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual

> influence

> > > > > at the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg.

> span.

> > > > > of Rasi.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own

> house

> > > > > in the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa

> chart, it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> condiered

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> as weakening of the actual strength shown in the

> Rasi.

> > > > > Why is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> this

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> considered so? It is considered like that because,

> even

> > > > > though

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still its

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> positioning

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> within that particular sector (here navamsa) has

> > > > > weakened it;

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> means,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> within its own rasi, this particular sector is the

> > > > > weakest

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> point for

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it

> loses

> > > its

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> strength

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> considerably. This means there is a gradation of

> > > > > strengths for

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa. The

> > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> position

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement

> > > > > within the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> rasi.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to

> both

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Rasi and

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is weak

> in

> > > > > one of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> them

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> that means half the weightage is lost. We may not

> give

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> same

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> level of treatment to other vargas as we give to

> > > > > Navamsa; but

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the extent

> that

> > > > > it can

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> be

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the

> promise

> > > > > given

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> by the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> rasi chart).

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas in

> the

> > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> alone cannot and will not give expected results; I

> have

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> observed

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra both

> in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> 12th

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not in

> the

> > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the

> karakamsa

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> lagna). I am

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented by

> > > > > Chandra)

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> and

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the

> > > > > karakamsa is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> brought

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The

> > > > > sequence of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> my life

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> events are better explained only if I consider

> > > > > karakamsa lagna

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's

> > > > > opinion

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> here; I am

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> just saying that both approaches need to be

> considered

> > > > > on the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao

> always

> > > > > says.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On the other hand, considering the specific rasi in

> the

> > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my

> Sukra

> > > > > is in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the 4th

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> house indicating my possession of a nice beautiful

> > > > > house, and

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> education/skills in arts (in addition to other

> > > > > traditional

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> education).

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to

> > > > > summarize

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> that

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> both your theories give results; but not

> necessarily in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> isolation of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the other.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Best regards,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> --- In

> > >

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> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%

> > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K.

> N.

> > > > > Rao.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> First

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> there is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka

> > > > > though it

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> perhaps

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> being confused. It also needs to be remembered

> that in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> astrological

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> translations many a times words are to be

> understood

> > > > > in the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> context that

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> they used. So we find Parashara mentioning

> karakamsha

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Swamsha

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> alternate lines (almost) while indicating the

> results

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> occupation of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in

> > > > > karakamsha

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> adhyaaya.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> This does not mean he is speaking about two

> different

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> parameters.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> I

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well

> versed

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> interpretation

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> of astrological texts will confirm this contention

> of

> > > > > mine

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> if he

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> watching this discussion.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think that the

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> indicated on

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the

> > > > > potential

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> promised by

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived by the

> grahas

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to

> > > > > materialize. I

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> hope

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> this

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> discussion on

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> list. But this is my personal opinion, for

> whatever it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> worth.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Take care,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is

> pointing to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also

> says,Karakamsha

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> one

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not

> pointing to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are

> > > some

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> shlokas

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> which

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting

> his

> > > > > view

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> point.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell

> > > > > this.Sometimes the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> answer and

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded

> by

> > > > > proper

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> === message truncated ===

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>

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