Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Bhusker Welcome back! Why does controversy follow you like a shadow?? Anyway it's not ethical trying to imply the crime on Sreenadh, when it was yourself that provoked him by indirectly referring him to as a beggar amongst other things. And your history is not too great in terms of using even worse and more abusive language. Besides your most recent post to him brings you way down below the standard you accuse him of stooping too. It would be wise to spend your time meditating on the atma within, that may help calm your violent, aggressive behaviour and really cultivate a true meaning of what true dharma is. I have given you input on your chart (which you have recently been seeking on other lists) that makes it obvious to even a beginner that you need to develop the area of dharma. Hope this is taken in good spirit. Your well wisher and a person with great faith in your potential, Atma_gnan , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Bharatji, Chandrasekharji and Pradeepji, > > Please remember that none of us are smarter than the another. > All of us are better equipped in one aspect or technique of > astrology then the others. We have to respect each other > always.Neither can I read all the available Books,Shastras > or literature available on astrology neither can anyone of > you. Some one has read better among us, on some aspect than > the rest of us. For that knowledge which someone has attained > better than us, we have to respect the other person essentially. > > But when some member uses abusive language, as we have witnessed > today, then it is the duty of all present online, to admonish the > erring member. > Is it not ? If you fail to do this basic duty, then you become > adharmic, and can never attain success in the chosen field you > wish to attain acumen in. And how would you reply your conscience ? > > So respecting all, in future, please speak out whenever you see Dharma > being shattered and someone innocent being abused. You are not > eating salt of any one,like Bhishma, Drona or Kripacharya, to keep > mum in face of Draupadi being disrobed. Awaken and rise to the truth > and uphold the moral values to remain straight faced, when your time > comes to meet the Almighty. This fellow gave me so many abuses today, > but did I abuse him back ? Or was I weak enough to do so ? > You decide . Actually I was waiting for you people to speak up for me, > but sadly that did not happen. > > Why do I have to fight this battle alone, when you good people are > around? I am really at loss to understand this. > > anyway hope to see some good change in you, in future. > > And please do not misunderstand. The Pandavas with their > mentor Lord Krishna and their Gurus, Bhishma Pitamha, > Dronacharya,Kripacahraya, and the wise advisors > Vidura, and Uddhava, are always with me, so I do not need > any mortals help, and not weak to fight > my battles, neither seeking help, but just wish to avoid > battles unnecessarily and always want to avoid bloodshed, so > seek peace missions like Lord Krishna, but if the Duryodhanas > and Dushshasana desire battle, then I am ever ready with Lord > Krishna at my side. > > If you people join me, then you would be favouring Dharma, > if you do not,then its your prerogative. > > Kind regards, > Bhaskar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Namaste Sri Bhaskar It is true that we all have our individual expertise and with it our own ways of fighting adharma. Abusive language shows narrowmindedness and egotism of a person. More than that, it shows how the person is unaccepting of contrary beliefs and ideas. That Sreenadh or any other member turns abusive against another member is unacceptable. This has led me to silently leave his group on astrology. I think by being abusive and reactive he is doing a great disservice to Astrology. I also felt similar with you when, you had been extra reactive and abusive. I also left a certain SJC group when some group of people there had become personal. Currently, I am leaving more groups than I am joining. Silence is not always Adharmic. It gives a choice to the erring individual to correct his/her ways. I know your views on this subject are different. We have our own ways of fighting Adharma and this we do without anyone's suggestion. For example, I did not intervene in the discussion between Sreenadh and Sri Chandrashekhar, especially after Sreenadh's poor comments. The reason is that Sri Chandrashekhar is a mature person and perfectly capable of handling such a person. If you read their discussion Sri Chandrashekhar did handle the person and discussion beautifully, despite unwarranted personal attacks on him. Sri Chandrashekhar handled all this without personal attacks and without being abusive. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 7/7/07, Bhaskar < bhaskar_jyotish > wrote: > > Dear Bharatji, Chandrasekharji and Pradeepji, > > Please remember that none of us are smarter than the another. > All of us are better equipped in one aspect or technique of > astrology then the others. We have to respect each other > always.Neither can I read all the available Books,Shastras > or literature available on astrology neither can anyone of > you. Some one has read better among us, on some aspect than > the rest of us. For that knowledge which someone has attained > better than us, we have to respect the other person essentially. > > But when some member uses abusive language, as we have witnessed > today, then it is the duty of all present online, to admonish the > erring member. > Is it not ? If you fail to do this basic duty, then you become > adharmic, and can never attain success in the chosen field you > wish to attain acumen in. And how would you reply your conscience ? > > So respecting all, in future, please speak out whenever you see Dharma > being shattered and someone innocent being abused. You are not > eating salt of any one,like Bhishma, Drona or Kripacharya, to keep > mum in face of Draupadi being disrobed. Awaken and rise to the truth > and uphold the moral values to remain straight faced, when your time > comes to meet the Almighty. This fellow gave me so many abuses today, > but did I abuse him back ? Or was I weak enough to do so ? > You decide . Actually I was waiting for you people to speak up for me, > but sadly that did not happen. > > Why do I have to fight this battle alone, when you good people are > around? I am really at loss to understand this. > > anyway hope to see some good change in you, in future. > > And please do not misunderstand. The Pandavas with their > mentor Lord Krishna and their Gurus, Bhishma Pitamha, > Dronacharya,Kripacahraya, and the wise advisors > Vidura, and Uddhava, are always with me, so I do not need > any mortals help, and not weak to fight > my battles, neither seeking help, but just wish to avoid > battles unnecessarily and always want to avoid bloodshed, so > seek peace missions like Lord Krishna, but if the Duryodhanas > and Dushshasana desire battle, then I am ever ready with Lord > Krishna at my side. > > If you people join me, then you would be favouring Dharma, > if you do not,then its your prerogative. > > Kind regards, > Bhaskar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Dear Shri Bharatji , Namaste, first of all let me apologise to You, I did not mean to touch any raw nerve or hurt, specially you three gentlemen. I just wanted to put point across, that one feels alone, discarded, and solitary, when such scenes are witnessed, and longs for his family members to intervene, so that unnecessary usage of wrong terminology is put to brake, before it is unleashed from both sides. Honestly speaking from the core of my heart, I never enjoy, replying to provocations, because they bring out the base from inside, when we become re-active to these provocations. And not having a basic nature to return word by word of the language used, when I have to do it,it really pains me. Since generally I never use bad vocabulary, when such occasions come and leave, they also leave behind remorse in the heart, for having behaved such. Every one has individual tolerance levels and way of re-acting. My ways may be observed as not right, by many, at the same time others way may be deemed as not right by few. But i do feel remorse after every re-action from my side. But to control the impulses, is not easy. I am human. I am learning still, and know that have bettered since he last season. Of course theres a long way to go. I also agree silence is not always being adharmic. kind regards, Bhaskar. , " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " <astrologyhindu wrote: > > Namaste Sri Bhaskar > It is true that we all have our individual expertise and with it our own > ways of fighting adharma. > > Abusive language shows narrowmindedness and egotism of a person. More than > that, it shows how the person is unaccepting of contrary beliefs and ideas. > That Sreenadh or any other member turns abusive against another member is > unacceptable. This has led me to silently leave his group on astrology. I > think by being abusive and reactive he is doing a great disservice to > Astrology. I also felt similar with you when, you had been extra reactive > and abusive. I also left a certain SJC group when some group of people there > had become personal. Currently, I am leaving more groups than I am joining. > > > > Silence is not always Adharmic. It gives a choice to the erring individual > to correct his/her ways. I know your views on this subject are different. We > have our own ways of fighting Adharma and this we do without anyone's > suggestion. > > For example, I did not intervene in the discussion between Sreenadh and Sri > Chandrashekhar, especially after Sreenadh's poor comments. The reason is > that Sri Chandrashekhar is a mature person and perfectly capable of handling > such a person. If you read their discussion Sri Chandrashekhar did handle > the person and discussion beautifully, despite unwarranted personal attacks > on him. Sri Chandrashekhar handled all this without personal attacks and > without being abusive. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > > > On 7/7/07, Bhaskar < bhaskar_jyotish > wrote: > > > > Dear Bharatji, Chandrasekharji and Pradeepji, > > > > Please remember that none of us are smarter than the another. > > All of us are better equipped in one aspect or technique of > > astrology then the others. We have to respect each other > > always.Neither can I read all the available Books,Shastras > > or literature available on astrology neither can anyone of > > you. Some one has read better among us, on some aspect than > > the rest of us. For that knowledge which someone has attained > > better than us, we have to respect the other person essentially. > > > > But when some member uses abusive language, as we have witnessed > > today, then it is the duty of all present online, to admonish the > > erring member. > > Is it not ? If you fail to do this basic duty, then you become > > adharmic, and can never attain success in the chosen field you > > wish to attain acumen in. And how would you reply your conscience ? > > > > So respecting all, in future, please speak out whenever you see Dharma > > being shattered and someone innocent being abused. You are not > > eating salt of any one,like Bhishma, Drona or Kripacharya, to keep > > mum in face of Draupadi being disrobed. Awaken and rise to the truth > > and uphold the moral values to remain straight faced, when your time > > comes to meet the Almighty. This fellow gave me so many abuses today, > > but did I abuse him back ? Or was I weak enough to do so ? > > You decide . Actually I was waiting for you people to speak up for me, > > but sadly that did not happen. > > > > Why do I have to fight this battle alone, when you good people are > > around? I am really at loss to understand this. > > > > anyway hope to see some good change in you, in future. > > > > And please do not misunderstand. The Pandavas with their > > mentor Lord Krishna and their Gurus, Bhishma Pitamha, > > Dronacharya,Kripacahraya, and the wise advisors > > Vidura, and Uddhava, are always with me, so I do not need > > any mortals help, and not weak to fight > > my battles, neither seeking help, but just wish to avoid > > battles unnecessarily and always want to avoid bloodshed, so > > seek peace missions like Lord Krishna, but if the Duryodhanas > > and Dushshasana desire battle, then I am ever ready with Lord > > Krishna at my side. > > > > If you people join me, then you would be favouring Dharma, > > if you do not,then its your prerogative. > > > > Kind regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Dear Bhaskar and others, Personally speaking I have chosen not to offer any comments on this controversy because of the intemperate language being used on both the sides. However since the subject line is Upholding Dharma-Truth, let me be very clear that I find both the protagonists using intemperate language. I can only hope that wisdom prevails and both the parties make up. Chandrashekhar. Bhaskar wrote: > > Dear Bharatji, Chandrasekharji and Pradeepji, > > Please remember that none of us are smarter than the another. > All of us are better equipped in one aspect or technique of > astrology then the others. We have to respect each other > always.Neither can I read all the available Books,Shastras > or literature available on astrology neither can anyone of > you. Some one has read better among us, on some aspect than > the rest of us. For that knowledge which someone has attained > better than us, we have to respect the other person essentially. > > But when some member uses abusive language, as we have witnessed > today, then it is the duty of all present online, to admonish the > erring member. > Is it not ? If you fail to do this basic duty, then you become > adharmic, and can never attain success in the chosen field you > wish to attain acumen in. And how would you reply your conscience ? > > So respecting all, in future, please speak out whenever you see Dharma > being shattered and someone innocent being abused. You are not > eating salt of any one,like Bhishma, Drona or Kripacharya, to keep > mum in face of Draupadi being disrobed. Awaken and rise to the truth > and uphold the moral values to remain straight faced, when your time > comes to meet the Almighty. This fellow gave me so many abuses today, > but did I abuse him back ? Or was I weak enough to do so ? > You decide . Actually I was waiting for you people to speak up for me, > but sadly that did not happen. > > Why do I have to fight this battle alone, when you good people are > around? I am really at loss to understand this. > > anyway hope to see some good change in you, in future. > > And please do not misunderstand. The Pandavas with their > mentor Lord Krishna and their Gurus, Bhishma Pitamha, > Dronacharya,Kripacahraya, and the wise advisors > Vidura, and Uddhava, are always with me, so I do not need > any mortals help, and not weak to fight > my battles, neither seeking help, but just wish to avoid > battles unnecessarily and always want to avoid bloodshed, so > seek peace missions like Lord Krishna, but if the Duryodhanas > and Dushshasana desire battle, then I am ever ready with Lord > Krishna at my side. > > If you people join me, then you would be favouring Dharma, > if you do not,then its your prerogative. > > Kind regards, > Bhaskar. > > > ------ > > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.10.0/886 - Release 7/4/2007 1:40 PM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Dear Chandrasekharji (and the stranger astrologer too), and the others who have remained silent and are now feeling guilty. Shri Chandrasekharji I know and believe you are a good man like the other two people whom I have named in my earlier mail addressed to you, and you must believe me too, that I do not like using such type of language, as it pains in the after hours of the scene. But all the talks of moral policing come only after blood has been shed, and not before. There is no excuse by anyone for keeping quiet when we are about to witness any retaliation, after a strong provocation. There is also no right by anyone to do moral policing afterwards. Do we keep mum, when we are about to witness any strong emotionally powered argument about to begin, or be caused to begin, amongst out own family members ? No. we will always try to patch up differences even amongst our own children when they fight. Then why not here ? I wish before I had replied to that person, if 2 or 3 of you had spoken when he abused me, and explained him that this sort of language is not be spoken by astrologers holding great debates on astrological principles. But none ventured to or had the guts to talk strngly with that man. If any one of you had done this, then probably there would have been no need for me to write a loose mail to that chap, as I would have refrained to save my image. But unfortunately all kept mum like the courtiers of Dhritrashtra, enjoying the show, and having fun, without realising the sin all are incurring when they are part of an assembly where injustice is committed, and none lifts a finger in defiance to the perpetrator. This man from Nagpur who phoned me, I wish he had called that person too, who abused me before calling me, as to why the provocation was made in the first place. Why to blame the police for retaliating in face of crime commited, should not the person committing the crime be punished ? Now everyone is talking that both sides committed mistake. Is it implied that one should blame even the women whose modesty has been outraged, and when her brother comes back to fight with the outrager, it is advised that you are also behaving in the same manner so you too are to blame. being human you cannot expect me to keep a straight face after the abuses. Instead why is the abuser not picked and spoken with strongly ? Why is the provocator not picked instead of the provocated ? Why these double standards ? What is expected from me after being abused ? To sing romantic songs ? Not the least. Only moaning sounds can come out from a person in pain. Please remember all of you, you have allowed a good man (I have the guts to say I am a good man because I AM, with Gods grace), to become dirty by writing loosely on provocation,which should have been nipped in the bud. Such type of behaviour from members has been seen in the past too. It does not go unnoticed, and makes a person sad, especially the one who did not want to fall in this muddle. Anyway, we can all learn from mistakes, we should treat our colleagues as family members of the fraternoity, and comradeship should exist between us. Whenever things are going out of hand, one should take the opportunity to advise without any fear of dismissal. Lord Krishna has stated explicitly, if you witness a sin, then defy it if you are present on the scene, if one cannot defy it due to whatever reasons, then get out of the scene, otherwise the sin is incurred by the one witnessing.I am sure all of you know this adagee. Shri Chandrasekharji I know you are softspoken and not the one to enter into dirty matters, but it is better to soil our clothes sometimes, then to see a innocent man being buried alive in the coal mine. I was made to use this language on provocation, and now am being put in the same league, whereas my language has come after been hit, and not before. I hope the point is well taken by all the members, in a positive vein, and not otherwise. best wishes, Bhaskar. , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar and others, > > Personally speaking I have chosen not to offer any comments on this > controversy because of the intemperate language being used on both the > sides. > > However since the subject line is Upholding Dharma-Truth, let me be very > clear that I find both the protagonists using intemperate language. > > I can only hope that wisdom prevails and both the parties make up. > > Chandrashekhar. > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > Dear Bharatji, Chandrasekharji and Pradeepji, > > > > Please remember that none of us are smarter than the another. > > All of us are better equipped in one aspect or technique of > > astrology then the others. We have to respect each other > > always.Neither can I read all the available Books,Shastras > > or literature available on astrology neither can anyone of > > you. Some one has read better among us, on some aspect than > > the rest of us. For that knowledge which someone has attained > > better than us, we have to respect the other person essentially. > > > > But when some member uses abusive language, as we have witnessed > > today, then it is the duty of all present online, to admonish the > > erring member. > > Is it not ? If you fail to do this basic duty, then you become > > adharmic, and can never attain success in the chosen field you > > wish to attain acumen in. And how would you reply your conscience ? > > > > So respecting all, in future, please speak out whenever you see Dharma > > being shattered and someone innocent being abused. You are not > > eating salt of any one,like Bhishma, Drona or Kripacharya, to keep > > mum in face of Draupadi being disrobed. Awaken and rise to the truth > > and uphold the moral values to remain straight faced, when your time > > comes to meet the Almighty. This fellow gave me so many abuses today, > > but did I abuse him back ? Or was I weak enough to do so ? > > You decide . Actually I was waiting for you people to speak up for me, > > but sadly that did not happen. > > > > Why do I have to fight this battle alone, when you good people are > > around? I am really at loss to understand this. > > > > anyway hope to see some good change in you, in future. > > > > And please do not misunderstand. The Pandavas with their > > mentor Lord Krishna and their Gurus, Bhishma Pitamha, > > Dronacharya,Kripacahraya, and the wise advisors > > Vidura, and Uddhava, are always with me, so I do not need > > any mortals help, and not weak to fight > > my battles, neither seeking help, but just wish to avoid > > battles unnecessarily and always want to avoid bloodshed, so > > seek peace missions like Lord Krishna, but if the Duryodhanas > > and Dushshasana desire battle, then I am ever ready with Lord > > Krishna at my side. > > > > If you people join me, then you would be favouring Dharma, > > if you do not,then its your prerogative. > > > > Kind regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.10.0/886 - Release Date: 7/4/2007 1:40 PM > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Dear Bharat ji Just forget the incident. I became active in this forum, just to have interaction with you and few astro friends. Please do not deprive us from the pleasure of seeking jyotish knowledge from you. I was also vocal on the silence of other members, so pardon me for my concern and continue. I also, did not mean to comment on an individual, but to a community. regards / Prafulla Gang http://www.prafulla.net " Men who never get carried away should be. " ************************************************ > > astrologyhindu > Sat, 7 Jul 2007 16:44:19 +0530 > > Re: Upholding Dharma - Truth > > Namaste Sri Bhaskar > It is true that we all have our individual expertise and with it our own > ways of fighting adharma. > > Abusive language shows narrowmindedness and egotism of a person. More > than > that, it shows how the person is unaccepting of contrary beliefs and > ideas. > That Sreenadh or any other member turns abusive against another member is > unacceptable. This has led me to silently leave his group on astrology. I > think by being abusive and reactive he is doing a great disservice to > Astrology. I also felt similar with you when, you had been extra reactive > and abusive. I also left a certain SJC group when some group of people > there > had become personal. Currently, I am leaving more groups than I am > joining. > > > > Silence is not always Adharmic. It gives a choice to the erring > individual > to correct his/her ways. I know your views on this subject are different. > We > have our own ways of fighting Adharma and this we do without anyone's > suggestion. > > For example, I did not intervene in the discussion between Sreenadh and > Sri > Chandrashekhar, especially after Sreenadh's poor comments. The reason is > that Sri Chandrashekhar is a mature person and perfectly capable of > handling > such a person. If you read their discussion Sri Chandrashekhar did handle > the person and discussion beautifully, despite unwarranted personal > attacks > on him. Sri Chandrashekhar handled all this without personal attacks and > without being abusive. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > > > On 7/7/07, Bhaskar < bhaskar_jyotish > wrote: >> >> Dear Bharatji, Chandrasekharji and Pradeepji, >> >> Please remember that none of us are smarter than the another. >> All of us are better equipped in one aspect or technique of >> astrology then the others. We have to respect each other >> always.Neither can I read all the available Books,Shastras >> or literature available on astrology neither can anyone of >> you. Some one has read better among us, on some aspect than >> the rest of us. For that knowledge which someone has attained >> better than us, we have to respect the other person essentially. >> >> But when some member uses abusive language, as we have witnessed >> today, then it is the duty of all present online, to admonish the >> erring member. >> Is it not ? If you fail to do this basic duty, then you become >> adharmic, and can never attain success in the chosen field you >> wish to attain acumen in. And how would you reply your conscience ? >> >> So respecting all, in future, please speak out whenever you see Dharma >> being shattered and someone innocent being abused. You are not >> eating salt of any one,like Bhishma, Drona or Kripacharya, to keep >> mum in face of Draupadi being disrobed. Awaken and rise to the truth >> and uphold the moral values to remain straight faced, when your time >> comes to meet the Almighty. This fellow gave me so many abuses today, >> but did I abuse him back ? Or was I weak enough to do so ? >> You decide . Actually I was waiting for you people to speak up for me, >> but sadly that did not happen. >> >> Why do I have to fight this battle alone, when you good people are >> around? I am really at loss to understand this. >> >> anyway hope to see some good change in you, in future. >> >> And please do not misunderstand. The Pandavas with their >> mentor Lord Krishna and their Gurus, Bhishma Pitamha, >> Dronacharya,Kripacahraya, and the wise advisors >> Vidura, and Uddhava, are always with me, so I do not need >> any mortals help, and not weak to fight >> my battles, neither seeking help, but just wish to avoid >> battles unnecessarily and always want to avoid bloodshed, so >> seek peace missions like Lord Krishna, but if the Duryodhanas >> and Dushshasana desire battle, then I am ever ready with Lord >> Krishna at my side. >> >> If you people join me, then you would be favouring Dharma, >> if you do not,then its your prerogative. >> >> Kind regards, >> Bhaskar. >> >> >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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