Thanks for destroying the peace of this group also

July 9, 2007

Dear Bhaskar ji,

I must congratulate you for your efforts to destroy the peace and the

harmony of this group also.

Keep it up.

Your similar effort got the Jyotish Remedies group on moderation. Now

it is the turn of this group.

God save the group

Sincerely,

RP singh

July 9, 2007

Dear RP Singhji,

Worry about yourself and not show false sympathy for the Group.

A member of the Kaliyugi moral policing force, who actually

in connivance with others like you, actually initiate such

type of disturbances , in any group and, resultation moderation

of the same. Most of the time, such people are not real, but fakes,

faked ids, fake people, who act like moral policeman

but instead want crome to grow everywhere,

as it is food for your existence.

I have kept awards function for people like You.

You may submit your name, with your choice

of clothes. I am meeting many of your

kind nowadays who do not have teime to

read the whole thread, but just wish to comment, to show

their presence and unintelligent ramblings. People like you

would go in aid of Ravanas, and torment the tormented

more, in guise of projection as a well

wsiher of the Forum.

Do not pass comments uncalled for, uninvited,

without getting deep to any issue, Do not point

fingers at anybody without turn.

Contribute to the List. If You cannot, then get

out. But dont cause disturbance here, which would lead

to moderation, which is your passtime on other Forums,

and the real cause for blood sucked is by people

like you, and not others, who are innocent.

This is not unnoticed.

Bhaskar.

, " rpsingh2710 " <rpsingh2710

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

>

> I must congratulate you for your efforts to destroy the peace and the

> harmony of this group also.

> Keep it up.

> Your similar effort got the Jyotish Remedies group on moderation. Now

> it is the turn of this group.

>

> God save the group

>

> Sincerely,

>

> RP singh

>

July 9, 2007

Well, people publicly abuse and redicule astrologers on the forum are

not disturbing peace? and there are people - who shamelessly justified

as well. But the person - if chooses to respond abusive post is

considered disturbing peace?

Shameful conduct on the forum has no defence. People who are filled

with ego and pursue political divisions through support mails to abuse

can not have any defence either.

Check your facts !!

I do not agree that - forum is now living in disturbed environment.

regards / Prafulla

, " rpsingh2710 " <rpsingh2710

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

>

> I must congratulate you for your efforts to destroy the peace and the

> harmony of this group also.

> Keep it up.

> Your similar effort got the Jyotish Remedies group on moderation. Now

> it is the turn of this group.

>

> God save the group

>

> Sincerely,

>

> RP singh

>

July 9, 2007

Dear Bhaskar ji

let us worry about these fake ids and non contributing members. Like

many members - we are discussing an important issue that is Varga

Charts. We must not deviate our focus from there. As - we may end up

reaching a more simplified interpretation mdoel, courtesy Shri Pradeep.

regards / Prafulla

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear RP Singhji,

>

> Worry about yourself and not show false sympathy for the Group.

> A member of the Kaliyugi moral policing force, who actually

> in connivance with others like you, actually initiate such

> type of disturbances , in any group and, resultation moderation

> of the same. Most of the time, such people are not real, but fakes,

> faked ids, fake people, who act like moral policeman

> but instead want crome to grow everywhere,

> as it is food for your existence.

>

> I have kept awards function for people like You.

> You may submit your name, with your choice

> of clothes. I am meeting many of your

> kind nowadays who do not have teime to

> read the whole thread, but just wish to comment, to show

> their presence and unintelligent ramblings. People like you

> would go in aid of Ravanas, and torment the tormented

> more, in guise of projection as a well

> wsiher of the Forum.

>

> Do not pass comments uncalled for, uninvited,

> without getting deep to any issue, Do not point

> fingers at anybody without turn.

>

> Contribute to the List. If You cannot, then get

> out. But dont cause disturbance here, which would lead

> to moderation, which is your passtime on other Forums,

> and the real cause for blood sucked is by people

> like you, and not others, who are innocent.

>

> This is not unnoticed.

>

> Bhaskar.

, " rpsingh2710 " <rpsingh2710@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> >

> > I must congratulate you for your efforts to destroy the peace and the

> > harmony of this group also.

> > Keep it up.

> > Your similar effort got the Jyotish Remedies group on moderation. Now

> > it is the turn of this group.

> >

> > God save the group

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > RP singh

> >

>

July 9, 2007

typo error - I wanted to say let us not worry...

, " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji

>

> let us worry about these fake ids and non contributing members. Like

> many members - we are discussing an important issue that is Varga

> Charts. We must not deviate our focus from there. As - we may end up

> reaching a more simplified interpretation mdoel, courtesy Shri Pradeep.

>

> regards / Prafulla

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear RP Singhji,

> >

> > Worry about yourself and not show false sympathy for the Group.

> > A member of the Kaliyugi moral policing force, who actually

> > in connivance with others like you, actually initiate such

> > type of disturbances , in any group and, resultation moderation

> > of the same. Most of the time, such people are not real, but fakes,

> > faked ids, fake people, who act like moral policeman

> > but instead want crome to grow everywhere,

> > as it is food for your existence.

> >

> > I have kept awards function for people like You.

> > You may submit your name, with your choice

> > of clothes. I am meeting many of your

> > kind nowadays who do not have teime to

> > read the whole thread, but just wish to comment, to show

> > their presence and unintelligent ramblings. People like you

> > would go in aid of Ravanas, and torment the tormented

> > more, in guise of projection as a well

> > wsiher of the Forum.

> >

> > Do not pass comments uncalled for, uninvited,

> > without getting deep to any issue, Do not point

> > fingers at anybody without turn.

> >

> > Contribute to the List. If You cannot, then get

> > out. But dont cause disturbance here, which would lead

> > to moderation, which is your passtime on other Forums,

> > and the real cause for blood sucked is by people

> > like you, and not others, who are innocent.

> >

> > This is not unnoticed.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " rpsingh2710 " <rpsingh2710@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > >

> > > I must congratulate you for your efforts to destroy the peace

and the

> > > harmony of this group also.

> > > Keep it up.

> > > Your similar effort got the Jyotish Remedies group on

moderation. Now

> > > it is the turn of this group.

> > >

> > > God save the group

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > RP singh

> > >

> >

>

July 9, 2007

Shri Prafullaji,

When a Lion walks, he does not worry about few

rats, skimping for some space, in the nearby

bushes,neither for the mosquito or fly

sitting on the back or for the mouse

jumping in abandon.

If the small centipede sitting on the bulls

back, thinks that it is helping the bull in moving

the bullock cart, then let it think so and feel

happy. what goes of the bull.

I never worry about such interceptions, but they

are a irritation and waste of time.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish wrote:

>

> typo error - I wanted to say let us not worry...

>

> , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji

> >

> > let us worry about these fake ids and non contributing members. Like

> > many members - we are discussing an important issue that is Varga

> > Charts. We must not deviate our focus from there. As - we may end up

> > reaching a more simplified interpretation mdoel, courtesy Shri

Pradeep.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear RP Singhji,

> > >

> > > Worry about yourself and not show false sympathy for the Group.

> > > A member of the Kaliyugi moral policing force, who actually

> > > in connivance with others like you, actually initiate such

> > > type of disturbances , in any group and, resultation moderation

> > > of the same. Most of the time, such people are not real, but fakes,

> > > faked ids, fake people, who act like moral policeman

> > > but instead want crome to grow everywhere,

> > > as it is food for your existence.

> > >

> > > I have kept awards function for people like You.

> > > You may submit your name, with your choice

> > > of clothes. I am meeting many of your

> > > kind nowadays who do not have teime to

> > > read the whole thread, but just wish to comment, to show

> > > their presence and unintelligent ramblings. People like you

> > > would go in aid of Ravanas, and torment the tormented

> > > more, in guise of projection as a well

> > > wsiher of the Forum.

> > >

> > > Do not pass comments uncalled for, uninvited,

> > > without getting deep to any issue, Do not point

> > > fingers at anybody without turn.

> > >

> > > Contribute to the List. If You cannot, then get

> > > out. But dont cause disturbance here, which would lead

> > > to moderation, which is your passtime on other Forums,

> > > and the real cause for blood sucked is by people

> > > like you, and not others, who are innocent.

> > >

> > > This is not unnoticed.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " rpsingh2710 " <rpsingh2710@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > >

> > > > I must congratulate you for your efforts to destroy the peace

> and the

> > > > harmony of this group also.

> > > > Keep it up.

> > > > Your similar effort got the Jyotish Remedies group on

> moderation. Now

> > > > it is the turn of this group.

> > > >

> > > > God save the group

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > RP singh

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

July 9, 2007

OM Datta Guru

Bhaskar ji,

Time does not permit otherwise I will write long mails to applaud u. U

made my day, I have not laughed so much, I enjoy ur mails, alteast u

keep up the humor in the group. I loved the piece on the Awards

function. Hats off

SJ

> > > I have kept awards function for people like You.

> > > You may submit your name, with your choice

> > > of clothes. I am meeting many of your

> > > kind nowadays who do not have teime to

> > > read the whole thread, but just wish to comment, to show

> > > their presence and unintelligent ramblings. People like you

> > > would go in aid of Ravanas, and torment the tormented

> > > more, in guise of projection as a well

> > > wsiher of the Forum.

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Shri Prafullaji,

>

> When a Lion walks, he does not worry about few

> rats, skimping for some space, in the nearby

> bushes,neither for the mosquito or fly

> sitting on the back or for the mouse

> jumping in abandon.

>

> If the small centipede sitting on the bulls

> back, thinks that it is helping the bull in moving

> the bullock cart, then let it think so and feel

> happy. what goes of the bull.

>

> I never worry about such interceptions, but they

> are a irritation and waste of time.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " Prafulla Gang " jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > typo error - I wanted to say let us not worry...

> >

> > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > >

> > > let us worry about these fake ids and non contributing members.

Like

> > > many members - we are discussing an important issue that is Varga

> > > Charts. We must not deviate our focus from there. As - we may end

up

> > > reaching a more simplified interpretation mdoel, courtesy Shri

> Pradeep.

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear RP Singhji,

> > > >

> > > > Worry about yourself and not show false sympathy for the Group.

> > > > A member of the Kaliyugi moral policing force, who actually

> > > > in connivance with others like you, actually initiate such

> > > > type of disturbances , in any group and, resultation moderation

> > > > of the same. Most of the time, such people are not real, but

fakes,

> > > > faked ids, fake people, who act like moral policeman

> > > > but instead want crome to grow everywhere,

> > > > as it is food for your existence.

> > > >

> > > > I have kept awards function for people like You.

> > > > You may submit your name, with your choice

> > > > of clothes. I am meeting many of your

> > > > kind nowadays who do not have teime to

> > > > read the whole thread, but just wish to comment, to show

> > > > their presence and unintelligent ramblings. People like you

> > > > would go in aid of Ravanas, and torment the tormented

> > > > more, in guise of projection as a well

> > > > wsiher of the Forum.

> > > >

> > > > Do not pass comments uncalled for, uninvited,

> > > > without getting deep to any issue, Do not point

> > > > fingers at anybody without turn.

> > > >

> > > > Contribute to the List. If You cannot, then get

> > > > out. But dont cause disturbance here, which would lead

> > > > to moderation, which is your passtime on other Forums,

> > > > and the real cause for blood sucked is by people

> > > > like you, and not others, who are innocent.

> > > >

> > > > This is not unnoticed.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , " rpsingh2710 "

<rpsingh2710@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I must congratulate you for your efforts to destroy the peace

> > and the

> > > > > harmony of this group also.

> > > > > Keep it up.

> > > > > Your similar effort got the Jyotish Remedies group on

> > moderation. Now

> > > > > it is the turn of this group.

> > > > >

> > > > > God save the group

> > > > >

> > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > >

> > > > > RP singh

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

July 9, 2007

Dear Sunilji,

I have mentioned on these Forums, previously

too that i dont know much astrology, and God when He

wishes to help someone, allows me some breakthroughs

(Temporarily)to convey to the person.

therefore with nothing much to write, i make my

presence felt by such mails, about which you mentioned.

regards,

bhaskar.

, " suniljohn_2002 "

<suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

> OM Datta Guru

>

> Bhaskar ji,

> Time does not permit otherwise I will write long mails to applaud u. U

> made my day, I have not laughed so much, I enjoy ur mails, alteast u

> keep up the humor in the group. I loved the piece on the Awards

> function. Hats off

> SJ

>

> > > > I have kept awards function for people like You.

> > > > You may submit your name, with your choice

> > > > of clothes. I am meeting many of your

> > > > kind nowadays who do not have teime to

> > > > read the whole thread, but just wish to comment, to show

> > > > their presence and unintelligent ramblings. People like you

> > > > would go in aid of Ravanas, and torment the tormented

> > > > more, in guise of projection as a well

> > > > wsiher of the Forum.

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Shri Prafullaji,

> >

> > When a Lion walks, he does not worry about few

> > rats, skimping for some space, in the nearby

> > bushes,neither for the mosquito or fly

> > sitting on the back or for the mouse

> > jumping in abandon.

> >

> > If the small centipede sitting on the bulls

> > back, thinks that it is helping the bull in moving

> > the bullock cart, then let it think so and feel

> > happy. what goes of the bull.

> >

> > I never worry about such interceptions, but they

> > are a irritation and waste of time.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " Prafulla Gang " jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > > typo error - I wanted to say let us not worry...

> > >

> > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > >

> > > > let us worry about these fake ids and non contributing members.

> Like

> > > > many members - we are discussing an important issue that is Varga

> > > > Charts. We must not deviate our focus from there. As - we may end

> up

> > > > reaching a more simplified interpretation mdoel, courtesy Shri

> > Pradeep.

> > > >

> > > > regards / Prafulla

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear RP Singhji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Worry about yourself and not show false sympathy for the Group.

> > > > > A member of the Kaliyugi moral policing force, who actually

> > > > > in connivance with others like you, actually initiate such

> > > > > type of disturbances , in any group and, resultation moderation

> > > > > of the same. Most of the time, such people are not real, but

> fakes,

> > > > > faked ids, fake people, who act like moral policeman

> > > > > but instead want crome to grow everywhere,

> > > > > as it is food for your existence.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have kept awards function for people like You.

> > > > > You may submit your name, with your choice

> > > > > of clothes. I am meeting many of your

> > > > > kind nowadays who do not have teime to

> > > > > read the whole thread, but just wish to comment, to show

> > > > > their presence and unintelligent ramblings. People like you

> > > > > would go in aid of Ravanas, and torment the tormented

> > > > > more, in guise of projection as a well

> > > > > wsiher of the Forum.

> > > > >

> > > > > Do not pass comments uncalled for, uninvited,

> > > > > without getting deep to any issue, Do not point

> > > > > fingers at anybody without turn.

> > > > >

> > > > > Contribute to the List. If You cannot, then get

> > > > > out. But dont cause disturbance here, which would lead

> > > > > to moderation, which is your passtime on other Forums,

> > > > > and the real cause for blood sucked is by people

> > > > > like you, and not others, who are innocent.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is not unnoticed.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " rpsingh2710 "

> <rpsingh2710@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I must congratulate you for your efforts to destroy the peace

> > > and the

> > > > > > harmony of this group also.

> > > > > > Keep it up.

> > > > > > Your similar effort got the Jyotish Remedies group on

> > > moderation. Now

> > > > > > it is the turn of this group.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > God save the group

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RP singh

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

July 9, 2007

Bhaskar,

please once again I urge you to refrain from your abusive language to other

members of this group. if you don't do so then raj the moderator of the

group will get a mass of email from all group members urging so. I have seen

that you are behaving better in this group but don't let your past escape

you.

namaskar,

__________

Raja G. Gursahani

*: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

*: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

July 9, 2007

No moral policing please. If you have problem with him, either leave

the group or do not interact with him.

I would have loved to see your post on the abuse of Sreenadh.

regards / Prafulla

, " Raja Gursahani "

<rajagursahani wrote:

>

> Bhaskar,

>

> please once again I urge you to refrain from your abusive language

to other

> members of this group. if you don't do so then raj the moderator of the

> group will get a mass of email from all group members urging so. I

have seen

> that you are behaving better in this group but don't let your past

escape

> you.

>

> namaskar,

>

> __________

>

> Raja G. Gursahani

> *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

>

July 9, 2007

Raja,

The marriage season is fast approaching. Please join

a band baja, you will earn some money and we will earn

some relief.

You may also submit your name for the awards function,

If You are not aware let me remind you, I am organising

a awards function, where members who have remained silent

when I was abused , and who did not say a word to the

abuser, neither expressed their discontent or inability

to do so , and neither appreciated me for not abusing

back, will be given free clothes as below.

1) Saree

2) Salwar Kameez

3) Burka.

You may choose any of the above three.

Yes another award where you will also be given choice,

Bangles. You may choose either plastic bangles or glass

ones. I advise you go for the plastic ones, they will last

longer.

Why are you so much enamored by me, as to pick me up,

every few weeks ?

Please I am not that type. Stay away from me. I get

scared. I am a true Indian and a orthodox one,in

my thinking.

Please find someone else to pick.

Namaskaar,

Bhaskar.

, " Raja Gursahani "

<rajagursahani wrote:

>

> Bhaskar,

>

> please once again I urge you to refrain from your abusive language

to other

> members of this group. if you don't do so then raj the moderator of the

> group will get a mass of email from all group members urging so. I

have seen

> that you are behaving better in this group but don't let your past

escape

> you.

>

> namaskar,

>

> __________

>

> Raja G. Gursahani

> *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

>

July 9, 2007

" No moral policing please "

Once again the same suggestion can be applied to yourself.

Are you now the moderator of this group? Sreenadh has left and that

incident is over, so please let the current discussions roll.

Bhaskariji is more than capable of defending himself as we all know.

Besides, the balance of abuse in Jyotish forums is firmly tipped in

the negative for the person you are defending, so please do not

encourage or stimulate his passions when he his working had to be

positive.

, " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish

wrote:

>

> No moral policing please. If you have problem with him, either leave

> the group or do not interact with him.

>

> I would have loved to see your post on the abuse of Sreenadh.

>

> regards / Prafulla

>

> , " Raja Gursahani "

> <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> >

> > Bhaskar,

> >

> > please once again I urge you to refrain from your abusive language

> to other

> > members of this group. if you don't do so then raj the moderator

of the

> > group will get a mass of email from all group members urging so. I

> have seen

> > that you are behaving better in this group but don't let your past

> escape

> > you.

> >

> > namaskar,

> >

> > __________

> >

> > Raja G. Gursahani

> > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> >

July 9, 2007

just because you are a leo and a sun in gemini gives no right for you to

play the wordy games with others. furthermore, I am not picking on you

Bhaskar, I am enlightening you to your behavior. despite the others you are

picked on the most because the way you phrase your language. if you want to

improve in this nature, then please refrain from reacting to others in the

group. I think in your case this will be best and you will not receive the

so called picking on. I find that you are a valuable contributor to the

group, as long as you when you are boxing with others (debating) you don't

hit below the belt (in other words no cheap shots at people) and also level

your thinking of superiority regarding vedic astrology formally known as

jyotish. please once again you hve valuable insight I don't hesitate in

saying this and I am sure other group members will feel that they have

learned much from you and I agree that after traditional astrology study

(mastery) one's next advancement in astrology would the course of be the kp

method. I agree with you there. but once again its your behavior not your

knowledge that is getting in the way of the group. the group is really

wonderful trust me. there is no group like this from all my interactions

with astrologers etc. actually the more knowledge we share the stronger the

group becomes.

namaskar,

__________

Raja G. Gursahani

*: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

*: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

July 9, 2007

Sir then why you are interfering in between.

let all speak wht they want.

, " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan

wrote:

>

> " No moral policing please "

>

> Once again the same suggestion can be applied to yourself.

>

> Are you now the moderator of this group? Sreenadh has left and that

> incident is over, so please let the current discussions roll.

> Bhaskariji is more than capable of defending himself as we all

know.

> Besides, the balance of abuse in Jyotish forums is firmly tipped in

> the negative for the person you are defending, so please do not

> encourage or stimulate his passions when he his working had to be

> positive.

, " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > No moral policing please. If you have problem with him, either

leave

> > the group or do not interact with him.

> >

> > I would have loved to see your post on the abuse of Sreenadh.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla

> >

> > , " Raja Gursahani "

> > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Bhaskar,

> > >

> > > please once again I urge you to refrain from your abusive

language

> > to other

> > > members of this group. if you don't do so then raj the

moderator

> of the

> > > group will get a mass of email from all group members urging

so. I

> > have seen

> > > that you are behaving better in this group but don't let your

past

> > escape

> > > you.

> > >

> > > namaskar,

> > >

> > > __________

> > >

> > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > >

July 9, 2007

This is Kaliyuga, as we can see it.

I am busy doing my own things, discussing with

the great astrologers on the Forum, trying to

learn from them.and we have suddenly this man

picking at me. Instead of advising him,

you are now hitting the person who should be

patted on his back, for speaking in face of

injustice. Prafullji has spoken like a man

but what about you ? What are you trying to

prove now by defending the person who

was rebuked by Prafullaji for unnecessarily picking

me ? What type of gnana you possess and talking on

spirituality ? Huh . What a irony, today

anyone can open a website on spirituality and invite

gullible people for making him their Guru.

What projections ??

//Besides, the balance of abuse in Jyotish forums is

firmly tipped in > the negative for the person you

are defending,//

If you know so much, then you should also know,

that I have always re-acted on provocation and not

unnecessarily picked on any one. Dont you

write now defending Raja, when there was no

provocation to you ? (Or was it ? professional

jealousy or what ? Upmanship being shattered

or what ? ) When you write rubbish though

you yourself were not addressed to, then will not I

talk in re-action, when I am picked unnecessarily ?

It is a shame, that people are siding with rapists

and defecnding them. They wish to make the villains

as heroes and will play upto them, just to put to

rest, their base feelings of jealousy and the rest.

Forget it.

no use wasting my time on you,

till I find you becoming little

spiritual and worth talking to.

Namaskar.

Bhaskar.

, " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan wrote:

>

> " No moral policing please "

>

> Once again the same suggestion can be applied to yourself.

>

> Are you now the moderator of this group? Sreenadh has left and that

> incident is over, so please let the current discussions roll.

> Bhaskariji is more than capable of defending himself as we all know.

> Besides, the balance of abuse in Jyotish forums is firmly tipped in

> the negative for the person you are defending, so please do not

> encourage or stimulate his passions when he his working had to be

> positive.

, " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > No moral policing please. If you have problem with him, either leave

> > the group or do not interact with him.

> >

> > I would have loved to see your post on the abuse of Sreenadh.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla

> >

> > , " Raja Gursahani "

> > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Bhaskar,

> > >

> > > please once again I urge you to refrain from your abusive language

> > to other

> > > members of this group. if you don't do so then raj the moderator

> of the

> > > group will get a mass of email from all group members urging so. I

> > have seen

> > > that you are behaving better in this group but don't let your past

> > escape

> > > you.

> > >

> > > namaskar,

> > >

> > > __________

> > >

> > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > >

July 9, 2007

Ypou speak well at times, like this one, but rest of

the times I dont understand, I cannot understand your

personalty.

Why dont you speak to those who abuse me first or pick

on me ?

Why this moral policing to me?

When they hit below the belt, why do you keep quiet ?

If people like you speak, when they abuse me ,then

whats the need for me to speak. Since people

like you keep mum, I have to speak.

What do you think should be my behaviour when they

abuse me ? I should just continue doing my work quietly

like a small girl , living with her step mother ?

You please advise me, what should I do when people

abuse me, or try to talk rubbish with me.

What behaviour shall I keep when someone abuses me.

What face shall I take to my mother when someone

calls me " Mother fuc..r " and I keep quiet, just

to keep you happy, and my behaviour or public image

intact . Would I be a good son if i come back home

after being hit ?

Please advise,

Namaskar.

Bhaskar.

, " Raja Gursahani "

<rajagursahani wrote:

>

> just because you are a leo and a sun in gemini gives no right for you to

> play the wordy games with others. furthermore, I am not picking on you

> Bhaskar, I am enlightening you to your behavior. despite the others

you are

> picked on the most because the way you phrase your language. if you

want to

> improve in this nature, then please refrain from reacting to others

in the

> group. I think in your case this will be best and you will not

receive the

> so called picking on. I find that you are a valuable contributor to the

> group, as long as you when you are boxing with others (debating) you

don't

> hit below the belt (in other words no cheap shots at people) and

also level

> your thinking of superiority regarding vedic astrology formally known as

> jyotish. please once again you hve valuable insight I don't hesitate in

> saying this and I am sure other group members will feel that they have

> learned much from you and I agree that after traditional astrology study

> (mastery) one's next advancement in astrology would the course of be

the kp

> method. I agree with you there. but once again its your behavior not

your

> knowledge that is getting in the way of the group. the group is really

> wonderful trust me. there is no group like this from all my interactions

> with astrologers etc. actually the more knowledge we share the

stronger the

> group becomes.

>

> namaskar,

>

> __________

>

> Raja G. Gursahani

> *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

>

July 9, 2007

I have made this clear in the past and will repeat once again: I have

no professional interests in Jyotish or any objective/agenda to get

one over on anyone. Jyotish is a serious hobby for me and I am keen

on learning as much as I can in the little time I have.

Had Prafullaji not policed Rajaji, you would have replied to Rajaji

and that would have been the end of it. On the other hand

Prafullaji's actions only establish a false sense of

correctness/righteousness in an approach which is highly

inflammatory. True friends give appropriate advice, albeit bitter,

and hope for the improvement and moral development of their brothers.

Dharma=duty and we all have a duty to our atma which is achieved by

overcoming the senses, especially matsara and krodh. It is easy to

keep the senses at bay when there is no challenge so the biggest test

comes when there is negative stimulation. Failure at this point =

failure in ones dharma to the atma.

So please remain true to your own internal, personal dharma.

Best wishes.

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> This is Kaliyuga, as we can see it.

> I am busy doing my own things, discussing with

> the great astrologers on the Forum, trying to

> learn from them.and we have suddenly this man

> picking at me. Instead of advising him,

> you are now hitting the person who should be

> patted on his back, for speaking in face of

> injustice. Prafullji has spoken like a man

> but what about you ? What are you trying to

> prove now by defending the person who

> was rebuked by Prafullaji for unnecessarily picking

> me ? What type of gnana you possess and talking on

> spirituality ? Huh . What a irony, today

> anyone can open a website on spirituality and invite

> gullible people for making him their Guru.

> What projections ??

>

> //Besides, the balance of abuse in Jyotish forums is

> firmly tipped in > the negative for the person you

> are defending,//

>

> If you know so much, then you should also know,

> that I have always re-acted on provocation and not

> unnecessarily picked on any one. Dont you

> write now defending Raja, when there was no

> provocation to you ? (Or was it ? professional

> jealousy or what ? Upmanship being shattered

> or what ? ) When you write rubbish though

> you yourself were not addressed to, then will not I

> talk in re-action, when I am picked unnecessarily ?

>

> It is a shame, that people are siding with rapists

> and defecnding them. They wish to make the villains

> as heroes and will play upto them, just to put to

> rest, their base feelings of jealousy and the rest.

>

> Forget it.

> no use wasting my time on you,

> till I find you becoming little

> spiritual and worth talking to.

>

> Namaskar.

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote:

> >

> > " No moral policing please "

> >

> > Once again the same suggestion can be applied to yourself.

> >

> > Are you now the moderator of this group? Sreenadh has left and

that

> > incident is over, so please let the current discussions roll.

> > Bhaskariji is more than capable of defending himself as we all

know.

> > Besides, the balance of abuse in Jyotish forums is firmly tipped

in

> > the negative for the person you are defending, so please do not

> > encourage or stimulate his passions when he his working had to be

> > positive.

> >

> > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > No moral policing please. If you have problem with him, either

leave

> > > the group or do not interact with him.

> > >

> > > I would have loved to see your post on the abuse of Sreenadh.

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla

> > >

> > > , " Raja Gursahani "

> > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar,

> > > >

> > > > please once again I urge you to refrain from your abusive

language

> > > to other

> > > > members of this group. if you don't do so then raj the

moderator

> > of the

> > > > group will get a mass of email from all group members urging

so. I

> > > have seen

> > > > that you are behaving better in this group but don't let your

past

> > > escape

> > > > you.

> > > >

> > > > namaskar,

> > > >

> > > > __________

> > > >

> > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > > >

July 9, 2007

This is a good and helpful post.

I have read in scriptures about Kama,Krodha,Lobha

and Moha. That we should shed these to attain oneness

with God.

But there is some misunderstanding among people

as regards to Personal Dharma. Who has said that

we should not protect ourselves, our families

and our houses ? Are we supposed to be

saintlike and not get angry when someone outrages

our family members modesty ? Which Shastra says that

dont punish the outragers. Which Shastra says

that dont have some self-respect.

But I still ask you, is it possible for normal men

like us to stay unmoved, unpreturbed and unruffled

in the face of extreme provocation ?

My Dharma also teaches me to to respect my mother

and not allow any word of disrespect to be associated

with her in my presence. When someone abuses me with

refrence to my mother, My Dharma tells me, to

make the abuser see the ground.

The Kings of recent and past history all have been

ruthless in punishing the bad men in their kingdom ?

Why ? because they were bad and had to be punished.

The police of today are also punishing the crime

committers. Why ? because that is what is supposed

to be done. Are the Kings and the police bad when

they have punished the bad people ? No,

because in society if we start behaving like saints,

then people will come and rub our ladies and family

members in the house and go away whenever they want to.

If we dont get angry then the robbers will come and

rob our houses.The point is be like a coconut,

hard from outside and soft from inside. Not the

misplaced principles we are talking of, on Dharma.

I still do not understand why have you and few

other moral policing people have not commented

to that person when he did this ? I had not

provocated him, and most of the times

in such cases as you mentioned my past history

too, if it is checked, I have only acted on

provocation.

I agree that I am being untrue to my atma.

But I have been true to my mother, is what I feel

partially. Partially only, because I did not abuse

him back, instead took a detour.

But all the same, yes we have to control the krodha,

and Kama much before our last breath, to attain His

Love.

This was good advise from you.

thanks,

Bhaskar.

, " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan wrote:

>

> I have made this clear in the past and will repeat once again: I have

> no professional interests in Jyotish or any objective/agenda to get

> one over on anyone. Jyotish is a serious hobby for me and I am keen

> on learning as much as I can in the little time I have.

>

> Had Prafullaji not policed Rajaji, you would have replied to Rajaji

> and that would have been the end of it. On the other hand

> Prafullaji's actions only establish a false sense of

> correctness/righteousness in an approach which is highly

> inflammatory. True friends give appropriate advice, albeit bitter,

> and hope for the improvement and moral development of their brothers.

>

> Dharma=duty and we all have a duty to our atma which is achieved by

> overcoming the senses, especially matsara and krodh. It is easy to

> keep the senses at bay when there is no challenge so the biggest test

> comes when there is negative stimulation. Failure at this point =

> failure in ones dharma to the atma.

>

> So please remain true to your own internal, personal dharma.

>

> Best wishes.

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > This is Kaliyuga, as we can see it.

> > I am busy doing my own things, discussing with

> > the great astrologers on the Forum, trying to

> > learn from them.and we have suddenly this man

> > picking at me. Instead of advising him,

> > you are now hitting the person who should be

> > patted on his back, for speaking in face of

> > injustice. Prafullji has spoken like a man

> > but what about you ? What are you trying to

> > prove now by defending the person who

> > was rebuked by Prafullaji for unnecessarily picking

> > me ? What type of gnana you possess and talking on

> > spirituality ? Huh . What a irony, today

> > anyone can open a website on spirituality and invite

> > gullible people for making him their Guru.

> > What projections ??

> >

> > //Besides, the balance of abuse in Jyotish forums is

> > firmly tipped in > the negative for the person you

> > are defending,//

> >

> > If you know so much, then you should also know,

> > that I have always re-acted on provocation and not

> > unnecessarily picked on any one. Dont you

> > write now defending Raja, when there was no

> > provocation to you ? (Or was it ? professional

> > jealousy or what ? Upmanship being shattered

> > or what ? ) When you write rubbish though

> > you yourself were not addressed to, then will not I

> > talk in re-action, when I am picked unnecessarily ?

> >

> > It is a shame, that people are siding with rapists

> > and defecnding them. They wish to make the villains

> > as heroes and will play upto them, just to put to

> > rest, their base feelings of jealousy and the rest.

> >

> > Forget it.

> > no use wasting my time on you,

> > till I find you becoming little

> > spiritual and worth talking to.

> >

> > Namaskar.

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote:

> > >

> > > " No moral policing please "

> > >

> > > Once again the same suggestion can be applied to yourself.

> > >

> > > Are you now the moderator of this group? Sreenadh has left and

> that

> > > incident is over, so please let the current discussions roll.

> > > Bhaskariji is more than capable of defending himself as we all

> know.

> > > Besides, the balance of abuse in Jyotish forums is firmly tipped

> in

> > > the negative for the person you are defending, so please do not

> > > encourage or stimulate his passions when he his working had to be

> > > positive.

> > >

> > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > No moral policing please. If you have problem with him, either

> leave

> > > > the group or do not interact with him.

> > > >

> > > > I would have loved to see your post on the abuse of Sreenadh.

> > > >

> > > > regards / Prafulla

> > > >

> > > > , " Raja Gursahani "

> > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > >

> > > > > please once again I urge you to refrain from your abusive

> language

> > > > to other

> > > > > members of this group. if you don't do so then raj the

> moderator

> > > of the

> > > > > group will get a mass of email from all group members urging

> so. I

> > > > have seen

> > > > > that you are behaving better in this group but don't let your

> past

> > > > escape

> > > > > you.

> > > > >

> > > > > namaskar,

> > > > >

> > > > > __________

> > > > >

> > > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > > > >

July 9, 2007

Dear Atma Gnan ji

Well, no one can really set the perceptions or colors - an individuals

may like to interpret with. If the forum is living peacefully - why

should someone point at someone for his personal prejudice and / or

grudges.

The rules of the game can not be different for two set of people -

unless we are the government run by criminals.

I am surprised to see your motives in - not picking Raja's mails and

opting to read Bhaskar's chart on your own. Is it ethiical to do it -

unless you have separate set of ethics for yourself and preaching.

Do not worry about my dharma or code of conduct. In 17 years of

internet jyotish - I have never crossed it as yet.

let us get back to Jyoish.

regards / Prafulla

, " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan wrote:

>

> I have made this clear in the past and will repeat once again: I have

> no professional interests in Jyotish or any objective/agenda to get

> one over on anyone. Jyotish is a serious hobby for me and I am keen

> on learning as much as I can in the little time I have.

>

> Had Prafullaji not policed Rajaji, you would have replied to Rajaji

> and that would have been the end of it. On the other hand

> Prafullaji's actions only establish a false sense of

> correctness/righteousness in an approach which is highly

> inflammatory. True friends give appropriate advice, albeit bitter,

> and hope for the improvement and moral development of their brothers.

>

> Dharma=duty and we all have a duty to our atma which is achieved by

> overcoming the senses, especially matsara and krodh. It is easy to

> keep the senses at bay when there is no challenge so the biggest test

> comes when there is negative stimulation. Failure at this point =

> failure in ones dharma to the atma.

>

> So please remain true to your own internal, personal dharma.

>

> Best wishes.

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > This is Kaliyuga, as we can see it.

> > I am busy doing my own things, discussing with

> > the great astrologers on the Forum, trying to

> > learn from them.and we have suddenly this man

> > picking at me. Instead of advising him,

> > you are now hitting the person who should be

> > patted on his back, for speaking in face of

> > injustice. Prafullji has spoken like a man

> > but what about you ? What are you trying to

> > prove now by defending the person who

> > was rebuked by Prafullaji for unnecessarily picking

> > me ? What type of gnana you possess and talking on

> > spirituality ? Huh . What a irony, today

> > anyone can open a website on spirituality and invite

> > gullible people for making him their Guru.

> > What projections ??

> >

> > //Besides, the balance of abuse in Jyotish forums is

> > firmly tipped in > the negative for the person you

> > are defending,//

> >

> > If you know so much, then you should also know,

> > that I have always re-acted on provocation and not

> > unnecessarily picked on any one. Dont you

> > write now defending Raja, when there was no

> > provocation to you ? (Or was it ? professional

> > jealousy or what ? Upmanship being shattered

> > or what ? ) When you write rubbish though

> > you yourself were not addressed to, then will not I

> > talk in re-action, when I am picked unnecessarily ?

> >

> > It is a shame, that people are siding with rapists

> > and defecnding them. They wish to make the villains

> > as heroes and will play upto them, just to put to

> > rest, their base feelings of jealousy and the rest.

> >

> > Forget it.

> > no use wasting my time on you,

> > till I find you becoming little

> > spiritual and worth talking to.

> >

> > Namaskar.

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote:

> > >

> > > " No moral policing please "

> > >

> > > Once again the same suggestion can be applied to yourself.

> > >

> > > Are you now the moderator of this group? Sreenadh has left and

> that

> > > incident is over, so please let the current discussions roll.

> > > Bhaskariji is more than capable of defending himself as we all

> know.

> > > Besides, the balance of abuse in Jyotish forums is firmly tipped

> in

> > > the negative for the person you are defending, so please do not

> > > encourage or stimulate his passions when he his working had to be

> > > positive.

> > >

> > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > No moral policing please. If you have problem with him, either

> leave

> > > > the group or do not interact with him.

> > > >

> > > > I would have loved to see your post on the abuse of Sreenadh.

> > > >

> > > > regards / Prafulla

> > > >

> > > > , " Raja Gursahani "

> > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > >

> > > > > please once again I urge you to refrain from your abusive

> language

> > > > to other

> > > > > members of this group. if you don't do so then raj the

> moderator

> > > of the

> > > > > group will get a mass of email from all group members urging

> so. I

> > > > have seen

> > > > > that you are behaving better in this group but don't let your

> past

> > > > escape

> > > > > you.

> > > > >

> > > > > namaskar,

> > > > >

> > > > > __________

> > > > >

> > > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > > > >

July 9, 2007

Dear Atman Gnan ji

My apologies.

reference to Bhaskar's chart was for Shri raja

regards / Prafulla

, " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Atma Gnan ji

>

> Well, no one can really set the perceptions or colors - an individuals

> may like to interpret with. If the forum is living peacefully - why

> should someone point at someone for his personal prejudice and / or

> grudges.

>

> The rules of the game can not be different for two set of people -

> unless we are the government run by criminals.

>

> I am surprised to see your motives in - not picking Raja's mails and

> opting to read Bhaskar's chart on your own. Is it ethiical to do it -

> unless you have separate set of ethics for yourself and preaching.

>

> Do not worry about my dharma or code of conduct. In 17 years of

> internet jyotish - I have never crossed it as yet.

>

> let us get back to Jyoish.

>

> regards / Prafulla

>

> , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote:

> >

> > I have made this clear in the past and will repeat once again: I have

> > no professional interests in Jyotish or any objective/agenda to get

> > one over on anyone. Jyotish is a serious hobby for me and I am keen

> > on learning as much as I can in the little time I have.

> >

> > Had Prafullaji not policed Rajaji, you would have replied to Rajaji

> > and that would have been the end of it. On the other hand

> > Prafullaji's actions only establish a false sense of

> > correctness/righteousness in an approach which is highly

> > inflammatory. True friends give appropriate advice, albeit bitter,

> > and hope for the improvement and moral development of their brothers.

> >

> > Dharma=duty and we all have a duty to our atma which is achieved by

> > overcoming the senses, especially matsara and krodh. It is easy to

> > keep the senses at bay when there is no challenge so the biggest test

> > comes when there is negative stimulation. Failure at this point =

> > failure in ones dharma to the atma.

> >

> > So please remain true to your own internal, personal dharma.

> >

> > Best wishes.

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > This is Kaliyuga, as we can see it.

> > > I am busy doing my own things, discussing with

> > > the great astrologers on the Forum, trying to

> > > learn from them.and we have suddenly this man

> > > picking at me. Instead of advising him,

> > > you are now hitting the person who should be

> > > patted on his back, for speaking in face of

> > > injustice. Prafullji has spoken like a man

> > > but what about you ? What are you trying to

> > > prove now by defending the person who

> > > was rebuked by Prafullaji for unnecessarily picking

> > > me ? What type of gnana you possess and talking on

> > > spirituality ? Huh . What a irony, today

> > > anyone can open a website on spirituality and invite

> > > gullible people for making him their Guru.

> > > What projections ??

> > >

> > > //Besides, the balance of abuse in Jyotish forums is

> > > firmly tipped in > the negative for the person you

> > > are defending,//

> > >

> > > If you know so much, then you should also know,

> > > that I have always re-acted on provocation and not

> > > unnecessarily picked on any one. Dont you

> > > write now defending Raja, when there was no

> > > provocation to you ? (Or was it ? professional

> > > jealousy or what ? Upmanship being shattered

> > > or what ? ) When you write rubbish though

> > > you yourself were not addressed to, then will not I

> > > talk in re-action, when I am picked unnecessarily ?

> > >

> > > It is a shame, that people are siding with rapists

> > > and defecnding them. They wish to make the villains

> > > as heroes and will play upto them, just to put to

> > > rest, their base feelings of jealousy and the rest.

> > >

> > > Forget it.

> > > no use wasting my time on you,

> > > till I find you becoming little

> > > spiritual and worth talking to.

> > >

> > > Namaskar.

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > " No moral policing please "

> > > >

> > > > Once again the same suggestion can be applied to yourself.

> > > >

> > > > Are you now the moderator of this group? Sreenadh has left and

> > that

> > > > incident is over, so please let the current discussions roll.

> > > > Bhaskariji is more than capable of defending himself as we all

> > know.

> > > > Besides, the balance of abuse in Jyotish forums is firmly tipped

> > in

> > > > the negative for the person you are defending, so please do not

> > > > encourage or stimulate his passions when he his working had to be

> > > > positive.

> > > >

> > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > No moral policing please. If you have problem with him, either

> > leave

> > > > > the group or do not interact with him.

> > > > >

> > > > > I would have loved to see your post on the abuse of Sreenadh.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards / Prafulla

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Raja Gursahani "

> > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > please once again I urge you to refrain from your abusive

> > language

> > > > > to other

> > > > > > members of this group. if you don't do so then raj the

> > moderator

> > > > of the

> > > > > > group will get a mass of email from all group members urging

> > so. I

> > > > > have seen

> > > > > > that you are behaving better in this group but don't let your

> > past

> > > > > escape

> > > > > > you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > namaskar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > __________

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > > > > >

July 9, 2007

Self respect is epitomised through dignity. To remain dignified in

the face of provocation is the mark of a great man. This is not to

say be cowardly, but there are ways of responding and being assertive

without equalising the level of the provoker.

Anyhow, at the end of day the most harm one can inflict here is

through the medium of some fonts that appear on the screen. In the

wider perspective this is negligible as it is essentially virtual,

just as on the gross level the world we live in is. It is hard enough

controlling the senses in the world which is really an illusion, so

why let them win in such a futile net environment?

My comments are reserved for yourself because you seem to have

regular opportunities to maintain your dignity, more so than others.

However, I have in the past defended you here; for example I recall a

while back when a certain Ramapriya was unnecessarily and without

provocation insulting you.

Take care

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> This is a good and helpful post.

>

> I have read in scriptures about Kama,Krodha,Lobha

> and Moha. That we should shed these to attain oneness

> with God.

>

> But there is some misunderstanding among people

> as regards to Personal Dharma. Who has said that

> we should not protect ourselves, our families

> and our houses ? Are we supposed to be

> saintlike and not get angry when someone outrages

> our family members modesty ? Which Shastra says that

> dont punish the outragers. Which Shastra says

> that dont have some self-respect.

>

> But I still ask you, is it possible for normal men

> like us to stay unmoved, unpreturbed and unruffled

> in the face of extreme provocation ?

>

> My Dharma also teaches me to to respect my mother

> and not allow any word of disrespect to be associated

> with her in my presence. When someone abuses me with

> refrence to my mother, My Dharma tells me, to

> make the abuser see the ground.

>

> The Kings of recent and past history all have been

> ruthless in punishing the bad men in their kingdom ?

> Why ? because they were bad and had to be punished.

> The police of today are also punishing the crime

> committers. Why ? because that is what is supposed

> to be done. Are the Kings and the police bad when

> they have punished the bad people ? No,

> because in society if we start behaving like saints,

> then people will come and rub our ladies and family

> members in the house and go away whenever they want to.

> If we dont get angry then the robbers will come and

> rob our houses.The point is be like a coconut,

> hard from outside and soft from inside. Not the

> misplaced principles we are talking of, on Dharma.

>

> I still do not understand why have you and few

> other moral policing people have not commented

> to that person when he did this ? I had not

> provocated him, and most of the times

> in such cases as you mentioned my past history

> too, if it is checked, I have only acted on

> provocation.

>

> I agree that I am being untrue to my atma.

> But I have been true to my mother, is what I feel

> partially. Partially only, because I did not abuse

> him back, instead took a detour.

>

> But all the same, yes we have to control the krodha,

> and Kama much before our last breath, to attain His

> Love.

>

> This was good advise from you.

>

> thanks,

> Bhaskar.

, " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote:

> >

> > I have made this clear in the past and will repeat once again: I

have

> > no professional interests in Jyotish or any objective/agenda to

get

> > one over on anyone. Jyotish is a serious hobby for me and I am

keen

> > on learning as much as I can in the little time I have.

> >

> > Had Prafullaji not policed Rajaji, you would have replied to

Rajaji

> > and that would have been the end of it. On the other hand

> > Prafullaji's actions only establish a false sense of

> > correctness/righteousness in an approach which is highly

> > inflammatory. True friends give appropriate advice, albeit

bitter,

> > and hope for the improvement and moral development of their

brothers.

> >

> > Dharma=duty and we all have a duty to our atma which is achieved

by

> > overcoming the senses, especially matsara and krodh. It is easy

to

> > keep the senses at bay when there is no challenge so the biggest

test

> > comes when there is negative stimulation. Failure at this point

=

> > failure in ones dharma to the atma.

> >

> > So please remain true to your own internal, personal dharma.

> >

> > Best wishes.

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > This is Kaliyuga, as we can see it.

> > > I am busy doing my own things, discussing with

> > > the great astrologers on the Forum, trying to

> > > learn from them.and we have suddenly this man

> > > picking at me. Instead of advising him,

> > > you are now hitting the person who should be

> > > patted on his back, for speaking in face of

> > > injustice. Prafullji has spoken like a man

> > > but what about you ? What are you trying to

> > > prove now by defending the person who

> > > was rebuked by Prafullaji for unnecessarily picking

> > > me ? What type of gnana you possess and talking on

> > > spirituality ? Huh . What a irony, today

> > > anyone can open a website on spirituality and invite

> > > gullible people for making him their Guru.

> > > What projections ??

> > >

> > > //Besides, the balance of abuse in Jyotish forums is

> > > firmly tipped in > the negative for the person you

> > > are defending,//

> > >

> > > If you know so much, then you should also know,

> > > that I have always re-acted on provocation and not

> > > unnecessarily picked on any one. Dont you

> > > write now defending Raja, when there was no

> > > provocation to you ? (Or was it ? professional

> > > jealousy or what ? Upmanship being shattered

> > > or what ? ) When you write rubbish though

> > > you yourself were not addressed to, then will not I

> > > talk in re-action, when I am picked unnecessarily ?

> > >

> > > It is a shame, that people are siding with rapists

> > > and defecnding them. They wish to make the villains

> > > as heroes and will play upto them, just to put to

> > > rest, their base feelings of jealousy and the rest.

> > >

> > > Forget it.

> > > no use wasting my time on you,

> > > till I find you becoming little

> > > spiritual and worth talking to.

> > >

> > > Namaskar.

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > " No moral policing please "

> > > >

> > > > Once again the same suggestion can be applied to yourself.

> > > >

> > > > Are you now the moderator of this group? Sreenadh has left

and

> > that

> > > > incident is over, so please let the current discussions roll.

> > > > Bhaskariji is more than capable of defending himself as we

all

> > know.

> > > > Besides, the balance of abuse in Jyotish forums is firmly

tipped

> > in

> > > > the negative for the person you are defending, so please do

not

> > > > encourage or stimulate his passions when he his working had

to be

> > > > positive.

> > > >

> > > > , " Prafulla Gang "

<jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > No moral policing please. If you have problem with him,

either

> > leave

> > > > > the group or do not interact with him.

> > > > >

> > > > > I would have loved to see your post on the abuse of

Sreenadh.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards / Prafulla

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Raja Gursahani "

> > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > please once again I urge you to refrain from your abusive

> > language

> > > > > to other

> > > > > > members of this group. if you don't do so then raj the

> > moderator

> > > > of the

> > > > > > group will get a mass of email from all group members

urging

> > so. I

> > > > > have seen

> > > > > > that you are behaving better in this group but don't let

your

> > past

> > > > > escape

> > > > > > you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > namaskar,

> > > > > >

__________

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > > > > >

July 9, 2007

Yes you have defended me in the past. So I am grateful to You.

Another member here has made a website for me, so I am grateful

to him. Does not mean that I have to remain a underdog always

behaving as per instructions given by You or by Him.

//To remain dignified in

> the face of provocation is the mark of a great man. This is not to

> say be cowardly, but there are ways of responding and being assertive

> without equalising the level of the provoker //

Yes I have not come or equalised him ? when he abused me .

I did the detour. How should one respond in this example,

pray tell me and advise me . I would have abused him more strongfully

because I have experience if 45 years staying in Bombay city, so know

all the ways to abuse ., but did I ? abuse him back ?

//so why let them win in such a futile net environment? ??

what do you direct me to do exactly ? If I should not let him win

then it means I should give him a bigger abuse ? Is it ?

//However, I have in the past defended you here; for example I recall a

> while back when a certain Ramapriya was unnecessarily and without

> provocation insulting you. ?/

That is why I am respecting You, and find it strange when you are

clinging to those who are doing unjustice.

with full respect to you for the help given in the past

by supporting me,

Bhaskar.

, " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan wrote:

>

> Self respect is epitomised through dignity. To remain dignified in

> the face of provocation is the mark of a great man. This is not to

> say be cowardly, but there are ways of responding and being assertive

> without equalising the level of the provoker.

>

> Anyhow, at the end of day the most harm one can inflict here is

> through the medium of some fonts that appear on the screen. In the

> wider perspective this is negligible as it is essentially virtual,

> just as on the gross level the world we live in is. It is hard enough

> controlling the senses in the world which is really an illusion, so

> why let them win in such a futile net environment?

>

> My comments are reserved for yourself because you seem to have

> regular opportunities to maintain your dignity, more so than others.

> However, I have in the past defended you here; for example I recall a

> while back when a certain Ramapriya was unnecessarily and without

> provocation insulting you.

>

> Take care

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > This is a good and helpful post.

> >

> > I have read in scriptures about Kama,Krodha,Lobha

> > and Moha. That we should shed these to attain oneness

> > with God.

> >

> > But there is some misunderstanding among people

> > as regards to Personal Dharma. Who has said that

> > we should not protect ourselves, our families

> > and our houses ? Are we supposed to be

> > saintlike and not get angry when someone outrages

> > our family members modesty ? Which Shastra says that

> > dont punish the outragers. Which Shastra says

> > that dont have some self-respect.

> >

> > But I still ask you, is it possible for normal men

> > like us to stay unmoved, unpreturbed and unruffled

> > in the face of extreme provocation ?

> >

> > My Dharma also teaches me to to respect my mother

> > and not allow any word of disrespect to be associated

> > with her in my presence. When someone abuses me with

> > refrence to my mother, My Dharma tells me, to

> > make the abuser see the ground.

> >

> > The Kings of recent and past history all have been

> > ruthless in punishing the bad men in their kingdom ?

> > Why ? because they were bad and had to be punished.

> > The police of today are also punishing the crime

> > committers. Why ? because that is what is supposed

> > to be done. Are the Kings and the police bad when

> > they have punished the bad people ? No,

> > because in society if we start behaving like saints,

> > then people will come and rub our ladies and family

> > members in the house and go away whenever they want to.

> > If we dont get angry then the robbers will come and

> > rob our houses.The point is be like a coconut,

> > hard from outside and soft from inside. Not the

> > misplaced principles we are talking of, on Dharma.

> >

> > I still do not understand why have you and few

> > other moral policing people have not commented

> > to that person when he did this ? I had not

> > provocated him, and most of the times

> > in such cases as you mentioned my past history

> > too, if it is checked, I have only acted on

> > provocation.

> >

> > I agree that I am being untrue to my atma.

> > But I have been true to my mother, is what I feel

> > partially. Partially only, because I did not abuse

> > him back, instead took a detour.

> >

> > But all the same, yes we have to control the krodha,

> > and Kama much before our last breath, to attain His

> > Love.

> >

> > This was good advise from you.

> >

> > thanks,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I have made this clear in the past and will repeat once again: I

> have

> > > no professional interests in Jyotish or any objective/agenda to

> get

> > > one over on anyone. Jyotish is a serious hobby for me and I am

> keen

> > > on learning as much as I can in the little time I have.

> > >

> > > Had Prafullaji not policed Rajaji, you would have replied to

> Rajaji

> > > and that would have been the end of it. On the other hand

> > > Prafullaji's actions only establish a false sense of

> > > correctness/righteousness in an approach which is highly

> > > inflammatory. True friends give appropriate advice, albeit

> bitter,

> > > and hope for the improvement and moral development of their

> brothers.

> > >

> > > Dharma=duty and we all have a duty to our atma which is achieved

> by

> > > overcoming the senses, especially matsara and krodh. It is easy

> to

> > > keep the senses at bay when there is no challenge so the biggest

> test

> > > comes when there is negative stimulation. Failure at this point

> =

> > > failure in ones dharma to the atma.

> > >

> > > So please remain true to your own internal, personal dharma.

> > >

> > > Best wishes.

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > This is Kaliyuga, as we can see it.

> > > > I am busy doing my own things, discussing with

> > > > the great astrologers on the Forum, trying to

> > > > learn from them.and we have suddenly this man

> > > > picking at me. Instead of advising him,

> > > > you are now hitting the person who should be

> > > > patted on his back, for speaking in face of

> > > > injustice. Prafullji has spoken like a man

> > > > but what about you ? What are you trying to

> > > > prove now by defending the person who

> > > > was rebuked by Prafullaji for unnecessarily picking

> > > > me ? What type of gnana you possess and talking on

> > > > spirituality ? Huh . What a irony, today

> > > > anyone can open a website on spirituality and invite

> > > > gullible people for making him their Guru.

> > > > What projections ??

> > > >

> > > > //Besides, the balance of abuse in Jyotish forums is

> > > > firmly tipped in > the negative for the person you

> > > > are defending,//

> > > >

> > > > If you know so much, then you should also know,

> > > > that I have always re-acted on provocation and not

> > > > unnecessarily picked on any one. Dont you

> > > > write now defending Raja, when there was no

> > > > provocation to you ? (Or was it ? professional

> > > > jealousy or what ? Upmanship being shattered

> > > > or what ? ) When you write rubbish though

> > > > you yourself were not addressed to, then will not I

> > > > talk in re-action, when I am picked unnecessarily ?

> > > >

> > > > It is a shame, that people are siding with rapists

> > > > and defecnding them. They wish to make the villains

> > > > as heroes and will play upto them, just to put to

> > > > rest, their base feelings of jealousy and the rest.

> > > >

> > > > Forget it.

> > > > no use wasting my time on you,

> > > > till I find you becoming little

> > > > spiritual and worth talking to.

> > > >

> > > > Namaskar.

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > " No moral policing please "

> > > > >

> > > > > Once again the same suggestion can be applied to yourself.

> > > > >

> > > > > Are you now the moderator of this group? Sreenadh has left

> and

> > > that

> > > > > incident is over, so please let the current discussions roll.

> > > > > Bhaskariji is more than capable of defending himself as we

> all

> > > know.

> > > > > Besides, the balance of abuse in Jyotish forums is firmly

> tipped

> > > in

> > > > > the negative for the person you are defending, so please do

> not

> > > > > encourage or stimulate his passions when he his working had

> to be

> > > > > positive.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Prafulla Gang "

> <jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No moral policing please. If you have problem with him,

> either

> > > leave

> > > > > > the group or do not interact with him.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would have loved to see your post on the abuse of

> Sreenadh.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards / Prafulla

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Raja Gursahani "

> > > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > please once again I urge you to refrain from your abusive

> > > language

> > > > > > to other

> > > > > > > members of this group. if you don't do so then raj the

> > > moderator

> > > > > of the

> > > > > > > group will get a mass of email from all group members

> urging

> > > so. I

> > > > > > have seen

> > > > > > > that you are behaving better in this group but don't let

> your

> > > past

> > > > > > escape

> > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > namaskar,

> > > > > > >

> __________

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > > > > > >

July 9, 2007

You seem to be on a different wavelength and have misinterpreted the

essence of my message. I only mentioned that I had defended you in

the past to emphasise that I was not 'picking' on yourself, which was

the impression you was under. There is no need for any gratitude or

respect: not everything action is partaken conditionally or with

expectation of a return.

Anyway let's stop here and end our interactions on positive light.

Wisdom comes to those who value stones more than pearls.

Best wishes.

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Yes you have defended me in the past. So I am grateful to You.

> Another member here has made a website for me, so I am grateful

> to him. Does not mean that I have to remain a underdog always

> behaving as per instructions given by You or by Him.

>

> //To remain dignified in

> > the face of provocation is the mark of a great man. This is not

to

> > say be cowardly, but there are ways of responding and being

assertive

> > without equalising the level of the provoker //

>

> Yes I have not come or equalised him ? when he abused me .

> I did the detour. How should one respond in this example,

> pray tell me and advise me . I would have abused him more

strongfully

> because I have experience if 45 years staying in Bombay city, so

know

> all the ways to abuse ., but did I ? abuse him back ?

>

> //so why let them win in such a futile net environment? ??

>

> what do you direct me to do exactly ? If I should not let him win

> then it means I should give him a bigger abuse ? Is it ?

>

> //However, I have in the past defended you here; for example I

recall a

> > while back when a certain Ramapriya was unnecessarily and without

> > provocation insulting you. ?/

>

> That is why I am respecting You, and find it strange when you are

> clinging to those who are doing unjustice.

>

> with full respect to you for the help given in the past

> by supporting me,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote:

> >

> > Self respect is epitomised through dignity. To remain dignified

in

> > the face of provocation is the mark of a great man. This is not

to

> > say be cowardly, but there are ways of responding and being

assertive

> > without equalising the level of the provoker.

> >

> > Anyhow, at the end of day the most harm one can inflict here is

> > through the medium of some fonts that appear on the screen. In

the

> > wider perspective this is negligible as it is essentially

virtual,

> > just as on the gross level the world we live in is. It is hard

enough

> > controlling the senses in the world which is really an illusion,

so

> > why let them win in such a futile net environment?

> >

> > My comments are reserved for yourself because you seem to have

> > regular opportunities to maintain your dignity, more so than

others.

> > However, I have in the past defended you here; for example I

recall a

> > while back when a certain Ramapriya was unnecessarily and without

> > provocation insulting you.

> >

> > Take care

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > This is a good and helpful post.

> > >

> > > I have read in scriptures about Kama,Krodha,Lobha

> > > and Moha. That we should shed these to attain oneness

> > > with God.

> > >

> > > But there is some misunderstanding among people

> > > as regards to Personal Dharma. Who has said that

> > > we should not protect ourselves, our families

> > > and our houses ? Are we supposed to be

> > > saintlike and not get angry when someone outrages

> > > our family members modesty ? Which Shastra says that

> > > dont punish the outragers. Which Shastra says

> > > that dont have some self-respect.

> > >

> > > But I still ask you, is it possible for normal men

> > > like us to stay unmoved, unpreturbed and unruffled

> > > in the face of extreme provocation ?

> > >

> > > My Dharma also teaches me to to respect my mother

> > > and not allow any word of disrespect to be associated

> > > with her in my presence. When someone abuses me with

> > > refrence to my mother, My Dharma tells me, to

> > > make the abuser see the ground.

> > >

> > > The Kings of recent and past history all have been

> > > ruthless in punishing the bad men in their kingdom ?

> > > Why ? because they were bad and had to be punished.

> > > The police of today are also punishing the crime

> > > committers. Why ? because that is what is supposed

> > > to be done. Are the Kings and the police bad when

> > > they have punished the bad people ? No,

> > > because in society if we start behaving like saints,

> > > then people will come and rub our ladies and family

> > > members in the house and go away whenever they want to.

> > > If we dont get angry then the robbers will come and

> > > rob our houses.The point is be like a coconut,

> > > hard from outside and soft from inside. Not the

> > > misplaced principles we are talking of, on Dharma.

> > >

> > > I still do not understand why have you and few

> > > other moral policing people have not commented

> > > to that person when he did this ? I had not

> > > provocated him, and most of the times

> > > in such cases as you mentioned my past history

> > > too, if it is checked, I have only acted on

> > > provocation.

> > >

> > > I agree that I am being untrue to my atma.

> > > But I have been true to my mother, is what I feel

> > > partially. Partially only, because I did not abuse

> > > him back, instead took a detour.

> > >

> > > But all the same, yes we have to control the krodha,

> > > and Kama much before our last breath, to attain His

> > > Love.

> > >

> > > This was good advise from you.

> > >

> > > thanks,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I have made this clear in the past and will repeat once

again: I

> > have

> > > > no professional interests in Jyotish or any objective/agenda

to

> > get

> > > > one over on anyone. Jyotish is a serious hobby for me and I

am

> > keen

> > > > on learning as much as I can in the little time I have.

> > > >

> > > > Had Prafullaji not policed Rajaji, you would have replied to

> > Rajaji

> > > > and that would have been the end of it. On the other hand

> > > > Prafullaji's actions only establish a false sense of

> > > > correctness/righteousness in an approach which is highly

> > > > inflammatory. True friends give appropriate advice, albeit

> > bitter,

> > > > and hope for the improvement and moral development of their

> > brothers.

> > > >

> > > > Dharma=duty and we all have a duty to our atma which is

achieved

> > by

> > > > overcoming the senses, especially matsara and krodh. It is

easy

> > to

> > > > keep the senses at bay when there is no challenge so the

biggest

> > test

> > > > comes when there is negative stimulation. Failure at this

point

> > =

> > > > failure in ones dharma to the atma.

> > > >

> > > > So please remain true to your own internal, personal dharma.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes.

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > This is Kaliyuga, as we can see it.

> > > > > I am busy doing my own things, discussing with

> > > > > the great astrologers on the Forum, trying to

> > > > > learn from them.and we have suddenly this man

> > > > > picking at me. Instead of advising him,

> > > > > you are now hitting the person who should be

> > > > > patted on his back, for speaking in face of

> > > > > injustice. Prafullji has spoken like a man

> > > > > but what about you ? What are you trying to

> > > > > prove now by defending the person who

> > > > > was rebuked by Prafullaji for unnecessarily picking

> > > > > me ? What type of gnana you possess and talking on

> > > > > spirituality ? Huh . What a irony, today

> > > > > anyone can open a website on spirituality and invite

> > > > > gullible people for making him their Guru.

> > > > > What projections ??

> > > > >

> > > > > //Besides, the balance of abuse in Jyotish forums is

> > > > > firmly tipped in > the negative for the person you

> > > > > are defending,//

> > > > >

> > > > > If you know so much, then you should also know,

> > > > > that I have always re-acted on provocation and not

> > > > > unnecessarily picked on any one. Dont you

> > > > > write now defending Raja, when there was no

> > > > > provocation to you ? (Or was it ? professional

> > > > > jealousy or what ? Upmanship being shattered

> > > > > or what ? ) When you write rubbish though

> > > > > you yourself were not addressed to, then will not I

> > > > > talk in re-action, when I am picked unnecessarily ?

> > > > >

> > > > > It is a shame, that people are siding with rapists

> > > > > and defecnding them. They wish to make the villains

> > > > > as heroes and will play upto them, just to put to

> > > > > rest, their base feelings of jealousy and the rest.

> > > > >

> > > > > Forget it.

> > > > > no use wasting my time on you,

> > > > > till I find you becoming little

> > > > > spiritual and worth talking to.

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaskar.

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " atma_gnan "

<atma_gnan@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " No moral policing please "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Once again the same suggestion can be applied to

yourself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Are you now the moderator of this group? Sreenadh has

left

> > and

> > > > that

> > > > > > incident is over, so please let the current discussions

roll.

> > > > > > Bhaskariji is more than capable of defending himself as

we

> > all

> > > > know.

> > > > > > Besides, the balance of abuse in Jyotish forums is firmly

> > tipped

> > > > in

> > > > > > the negative for the person you are defending, so please

do

> > not

> > > > > > encourage or stimulate his passions when he his working

had

> > to be

> > > > > > positive.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang "

> > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > No moral policing please. If you have problem with him,

> > either

> > > > leave

> > > > > > > the group or do not interact with him.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I would have loved to see your post on the abuse of

> > Sreenadh.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards / Prafulla

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Raja Gursahani "

> > > > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > please once again I urge you to refrain from your

abusive

> > > > language

> > > > > > > to other

> > > > > > > > members of this group. if you don't do so then raj

the

> > > > moderator

> > > > > > of the

> > > > > > > > group will get a mass of email from all group members

> > urging

> > > > so. I

> > > > > > > have seen

> > > > > > > > that you are behaving better in this group but don't

let

> > your

> > > > past

> > > > > > > escape

> > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > namaskar,

> > > > > > > >

> > __________

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > > > > > > >

Thanks for destroying the peace of this group also

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