Theory Experts Vs Predictors 1

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Theory Experts Vs Predictors 1

 

Om Datta Guru

 

Dear Prafulla Bhai,

Permit me to change the Subject of this thread & would reply ur mail

that way. Will post few sub heads on it. This is in context to what u

wrote & thanks for ur mature comments.

 

 

 

1. 1) In the history of astrology there has been New Theories

that of KP, Iyers methods (which deviated from the normal astrology that

we knew then & is not considered in vedic astrology that we kinda of

practice as yogis, avayogis were not given by Parasara etc), KAS,

Systems Approach, KNRs expansion of vedic astrology principles.

2. 2) The most common part of all of the above is each of them

presented case studies & then subsequently demonstrated their predictive

ability in it over the years.

3. 3) KP used to stand on Stage and challenge anyone to ask him

question in a crowd of hundreds and predict instantly is what I am told

by many.

4. 4) What I am trying to say is that when anyone is coming with

something new to what is not normally followed then he/she should have

the guts to present `Clear Cut' `Unbiased'

`Non-Match Fixing Astrology' Case Studies & then Demonstrate it

with Application of those case studies by blind charts.

5. 5) If this is not done so then all is just Theory Talk which

even I have been guilty of doing.

6. 6) Over the years I have presented many extensions of

previous known techniques & thought it was the work of Genius, it was my

mentors who instructed me at times rudely to demonstrate it on blind

charts to them. At first for months I felt it was rude & not correct on

me but later I realized the value of it as it saved me the Sin of not

making wrong predictions and spoiling others lives

Kind regards

Sunil John

Mumbai

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil John

>

> > Who are the people who are allowed to debate and pounce with

authority,

> > it should be those who are learned, by reading few books and

spending

> > few yrs one does not gain the knowledge we all would agree to it. I

for

> > one know that I do not know the science and hence try not to discuss

> > methods, what we can do is share experiences.

>

> [Prafulla] Very well said. Long back in early astro days, my

enthusiasm also suffered from lack of predictive skills. Reading

theories / commentaries often led to contradictory opinions in cross

references and seriously poor results - if applied verbatim.

>

> I recall the guidance received from Shri Ganapathy Sharma and Shri

Vijay Nagrecha - from that old jyotish list in early 90's. They always

insisted and encouraged to observe the readings from the dictum over the

charts (before we can induct into our reading model). With Ganapathy, I

had opportunity to submit lessons thread on System Astrology on the

earlier jyotish list. and Shri Vijay nagrecha is brilliant applicant of

the jyotish dictums through observational jyotish. Of course, with the

time, both became friends.

>

> So crux is to build predictive skills, not the theories; and keep on

rebuilding chart interpretation model through observational jyotish. But

as you have expressed - either most of the jyotishi are busy in doing

fixing jyotish - but fail miserably in predictive jyotish (Like I have

gone through personally) for variety of reasons. many a times, for the

fear factor (of failed prediction) - I used to avoid predictions. No

matter, what are my skill sets - but most theorists fail to predict.

>

> One of the reason, traditionalist astrologers (well - I will not

connect to parampara jyotish) with few decades of experience are always

more reliable, than most internet jyotishi - becuase, they do not

describe long theories / explanations (as packaged product) - but they

deliver successful predicitons (through their well built interpretation

model).

>

> Most parampara jyotishi work on few consistent clues / methods (not

all mixed jyotish principles ever became part of any parampara) - which

are like sure shots.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

> http://www.prafulla.net

>

> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> ************************************************

>

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sunil John,

 

You have posted brilliant and thought provoking posts. I will reply

your all other mails during the course of the day.

 

Please read my reply underneath your notes:

 

 

> Theory Experts Vs Predictors 1

>

> Om Datta Guru

>

> Dear Prafulla Bhai,

> Permit me to change the Subject of this thread & would reply ur mail

> that way. Will post few sub heads on it. This is in context to what u

> wrote & thanks for ur mature comments.

>

 

>

>

> 1. 1) In the history of astrology there has been New Theories

> that of KP, Iyers methods (which deviated from the normal astrology that

> we knew then & is not considered in vedic astrology that we kinda of

> practice as yogis, avayogis were not given by Parasara etc), KAS,

> Systems Approach, KNRs expansion of vedic astrology principles.

> 2. 2) The most common part of all of the above is each of them

> presented case studies & then subsequently demonstrated their predictive

> ability in it over the years.

 

 

[Prafulla] Yes.. perhaps that is the only way to go forward. Instead

of proving others, they proved their interpretation model. Did you

notice one more thing - many of these authors, did not engage their

students into " shloka " business - to prove their application. They

simplified their interpretation model in scientific manner and dared

to present. I am sure - each one of them, must have taken years to

test it on thousands of chart; and then only - they presented it.

 

Typically, they did not expect people to accept them from their

theories; nor did they convince a single follower as to their

correctness. Their application stood tall in all tests.

 

> 3. 3) KP used to stand on Stage and challenge anyone to ask him

> question in a crowd of hundreds and predict instantly is what I am told

> by many.

 

[Prafulla] Yes - I had opportunity to interact and learn KP theories

from few astrologers, who learn directly from KP. As I am told - He

demonstrated the application wonderfully.

 

 

> 4. 4) What I am trying to say is that when anyone is coming

with

> something new to what is not normally followed then he/she should have

> the guts to present `Clear Cut' `Unbiased'

> `Non-Match Fixing Astrology' Case Studies & then Demonstrate it

> with Application of those case studies by blind charts.

 

[Prafulla] Well, in recent years - fixing jyotish has become rules of

the game. I agree to an extent, that - at some stage - the theory will

have to be tested on past events. But caution is normally exercised -

not to mix other theories then. and when this stage is successfully

done - the theories are used for observing predictions (not even

predicting events) - as astrologer should not be playing with the

lives of natives (I will touch this point in elaboration - on your

other mail of karma of prediction). That is why, these theories took

decades / years to come out - of course after passing the test of

observing predictions.

 

Let me add here that, while these theories were presented (after both

the tests - events matching; and observing predictions) - they were

reasonably consistent for readers to go ahead with it.

 

Understandably - KP / SA / KAS etc did pass through these tests and

available for jyotish students to work with it.

 

 

> 5. 5) If this is not done so then all is just Theory Talk which

> even I have been guilty of doing.

> 6. 6) Over the years I have presented many extensions of

> previous known techniques & thought it was the work of Genius, it was my

> mentors who instructed me at times rudely to demonstrate it on blind

> charts to them. At first for months I felt it was rude & not correct on

> me but later I realized the value of it as it saved me the Sin of not

> making wrong predictions and spoiling others lives

 

[Prafulla] Few are fortunate to be corrected at early stage of jyotish

pursuance. and I am happy to know that - you were corrected well in

time. If theories are allowed to fly without adequate tests, even the

garbage bag will also overflow.

 

very often - it is tempting to start applying or even offering to the

media (either through books / white papers / web / community forums

etc) in raw mode; but it is not the correct approach. Just because I

am convinced of something, I should be seen preaching on it. It is

only possible - when " I " is considered avatar of god or rebirth of

sages. Even posting conclusive opinion can be dangerous, as I may be

misleading audience with my half knowledge.

 

On another thread - there was technical opinion on partial aspects

with reference to kalyan Varam's shloka of aspects (which are possible

only in D charts). I doubt, if so many stalwarts ever applied the

partial aspects in their predictions. Well - I will cover that in a

new thread.

 

Predictions often carry a greater risk, as natives may end up

executing it (or at least attempting it). and More so - if the dictums

are untested in totality.

 

 

regards / Prafulla